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Hello everyone, and welcome to another episode

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of Inside the Studio on iHeart Radio.

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My name is Jordan runt Dog, but enough about

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me. My guests today are an alternative

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natural group whose unique sound can

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perhaps best be described by one of their album

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titles, folk Pop and Roll. They

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went platinum in with their

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single Take It All Back, and have followed

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it up with a series of country tinged tracks

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like Suit and Jacket, Over My Head

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and Pictures featuring Casey Musgraves.

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They released their latest album, Pep Talks

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and Emotional Tour to Force that grapples

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with personal trauma, anxiety,

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and the grace and strength that it takes to come

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out the other side. Their new song

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Spirit is the Dawn After the Darkness,

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an uplifting track that seems custom made

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for these uncertain times. The band

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recently released an EP featuring five

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distinct versions of the song, the original

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track, a stripped down acoustic rendition,

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and then three remixes by friend group

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Twice Young and Lamourne. Each

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of the visions reveal new facets of a multidimensional

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track. Today, the band of dropping their

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all new single Helped Me to Feel Again.

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I'm so happy to welcome Judah Nate

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and Brian, who together are known as Judah

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and the Lion. Yeah, of course, thanks

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for having us. Your new EP Spirit features

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five different versions of your track Spirit.

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That's such a cool approach, like all these showcasing

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all these different interpretations. How did that an idea

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come about? I think it was kind of just a product

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of the season we were going through. We

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recorded the original version in July,

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and it was it was a

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little bit of this first reunion

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in the Mystic COVID where we

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were able to get in the studio together and

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write and record. And then soon after

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that we were all living in different places,

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Like what I was telling you earlier, I

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moved to Sweden, Nate's been living

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in Colorado, So it was kind of this time

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where we were keeping it in touch over the

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distance, and I

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think that kind of birth the idea to

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bring about the song in different lights

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remotely as we could, whether

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through remix or doing like the acoustic version.

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And when was that written? Because the message of the song really

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feels so appropriate to the last year

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we've had, but it actually predates that, right,

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Yeah, we we actually wrote it. Me and Brown

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would appear in my loft like the

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previous November to COVID, and

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I think, you know, for for us our band, I

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think that with the within the last record and kind of

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going through transition, we were already kind of I think

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probably feeling a sense of spirit

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in like our story and I'm just kind

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of following suit with like the Pep Talks kind of

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message of hope and reality of that. But

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it was kind of like ironic that you

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know, we have this pandemic now and then we

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had the song about you know, not giving up and kind

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of coming together if you will. So yeah, I

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get asked a lot like yeah, it's just like bidding

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for the times, like, wow, we actually wrote it there less

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before. It must

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be so cool for you to hear the EP because

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all these different versions of song is, four different versions

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of the song, different remixes by different people,

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must almost be like hearing it as an outsider

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for the first time. Which which version was the most

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surprising for you? It was? It was interesting because

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you know, usually when we're hearing like remixes on

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songs or songs that we get back that we've asked

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for remixes, we're kind of all together. We're

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able to listen to it on on the road and

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kind of pick and shoes you know which one.

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But it was really interesting with within

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the email thread, if you will. It was like Brian,

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Like I remember Brian being super excited about

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the Lame Lame Moore and um, I think I'm pronouncing

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that right track and that was like so unique

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and flavorful and cool. I was really

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excited about the Brian White track or

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the Friend Group track, and um, he's a buddy of ours

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in town and and then um, Nate

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was excited about Twice Stone. But yeah,

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it was just interesting because each one of these had a

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different flavor and obviously

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the acoustic being a completely different flavor

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than those. Um, it just felt like it's on this

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email thread. We were just kind of like we like all these tracks

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and they offer kind of this unique

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spectrum for the song and the lyrics

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of the song and the story of the song

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is still says the same thing

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that you know. On the twice Young one, it's

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a little bit not sleepier but like kind of

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new to year and sleepier and and kind of

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you know, he's got a lot of vocal samples kind of happening.

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And then the lay more and one of what I

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was really drawn to that one, and I don't want Brian to speak

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on that one too, but like the drum track with like

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a little bit more minor fuel was

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very unique. And then you know, on the

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Fring Group track, which was Brian White,

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it's it was just so anthemic to me, like

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I just I love like the drums and the percussion,

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um and all of it. So there is what

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is up Nate? We are now joined by Nate. How are

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you? Oh, I'm fine, Sorry

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to be late, y'all, not a problem at all now

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that you're here. I guess just to ask in general, has

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the last year been a productive

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time for you all musically, Like have you all been

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sort of writing on your own and sharing stuff through

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zoom or Yeah, we've been trying

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to figure out different ways to definitely, you

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know, make all that happen still and sending new ideas

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back and forth, and if anything, we really

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like we made some acoustic versions and worked on

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some remixes, and that was, I guess,

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a simpler way without having to you

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know, go through some of more the organic process

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of building on a new song or a new idea that

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we definitely prefer to be more in person for did

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our best, but definitely Stokes kind

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of be back together now and be able to be face

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to face and have those connections that you know, we weren't

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able to have when we were apart from each other. Judy, you

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mentioned earlier your last album, Pep Talks,

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which is an album that grappled with all

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sorts of just just difficult moments

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in life. I get the sense that

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that the song Spirit is almost like like the calm

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after the storm, the morning after the storm,

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in a way, the sort of the vibe I got. Yeah, kind

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of all the songs that we released with

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Beautiful Anyway and Spirit, and we have

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one coming out this week as well, it

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does kind of feel like kind of a rebuttal

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to the story of Pep Talks

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Um and Yeah, of like Spirit

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especially kind of has the message

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of hope and clarity

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and the messiness of all

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the things that we go through in life and especially

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this last year. But I guess at

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the end of the day, it's choosing not to give up

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and to push forward. It's fair to say you guys consider

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yourselves optimists. Yeah, I think

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so. I think so. I don't know. I think

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this last year made an optimist out of a lot of

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us because he's just gotta gotta keep going

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up. Yeah, two choices, either

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depression or optimist. I

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gotta ask. The song was used in the trailer

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for the new Muddy Duck series Game Changers.

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That must have been cool, right to see your track

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with Gordon Bombay. I mean, that's that's my childhood

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right there. Yeah, that was big. That was

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freaking epicy. I think all of us were

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just a little bit like in shock when

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we got that link with the email.

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Yeah, huge, huge money Ducks fan. I

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think we all are. But that was, like, like

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you said, like my childhood, my my main

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film franchise with sports and Disney

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and all that that really really loved And

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I think they placed it really well too, not

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just because it's our song, but the way that they made it fit

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and vibe with what's going on, I think was

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was perfect. And I've been watching the

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show and I think they crushed it. So it's

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so cool that we got to be a part of it, and really

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really sweet. It's interesting too, if like any

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any sink that we get, because I remember

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our first I first sink that we got on our first

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EP out of college. We were.

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We had a show in Birmingham and we told like

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all of our parents and our fans, like, our

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song is going to be on the show Nashville and it's

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like just go watch the show and then like all of

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our parents watch it and you couldn't even hear the song like

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like it was. It was like just the instrumental

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and it was in the background, and like even

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our moms like, we're like your song, you

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know, who are paying attention for

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every sound out? Like so

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I think getting back to the video of it and

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seeing Gordon Mumbay and seeing like the kids,

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it was just like wow, the song actually

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kind of felt like the vibe of the show and it

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was really that was awesome. It was it was Mother's

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Day recently. I know, Judy, your mom played

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a big role in your decision to kind of pursue

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songwriting, right you were playing songs

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around the house and and she gave you that

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that push. Tell me a little more about that. You've

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done your research that go. Yeah.

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We so we all met the fresh

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in our band. We we we all met at Belmont. I was a junior

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and it was a sophomore, and Brian was a freshman. And at

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Belmont. I was a music business

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major on the production side, but

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essentially, as a student, you have access

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to all these amazing studios for free because

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you're you know, you have engineers

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that are learning to engineer, yet producers

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that are trying to produce. And I was a songwriter

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that was trying to learn about the music business side

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as well as the production. And honestly, at the time

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my junior year, I was I was pretty I don't

8:30

want to say insecure, and then I'm not being

8:32

self deprecating here, I just I didn't really believe in,

8:35

I guess my voice yet and I was still

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kind of coming to and m my mom this

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summer when I went back home,

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I was just like playing upstairs, like in my in my room

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or whatever, like I would do as a kid, and like to

8:45

sing these songs. She was like, what do you like? You

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know, you're at Belmont in two years these

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studios are gonna be really expensive, so

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like, why don't you just record an EP? And that's when I

8:55

met the guys and we we recorded our

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first EP that that, I guess it was that following

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they were probably better at the timeline. The following

9:02

year when we got back after Christmas break

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Twolve. So yeah, she was definitely

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that like punch to the gut, like tough

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love type thing, and I'm really glad that

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she she didn't support it and believed in it. This

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may sound like a corny question, but like was it

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love at first? Listen? Like, how soon after you guys

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started playing together, did you know like, oh, this

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is it? Like these are the guys, this is this is the thing.

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Yeah. I think the first time that we

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met and played together felt

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very natural, and it

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was it was unusual in a way

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because we didn't really know each other

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before that moment. Like the first moment

9:44

we met, we had lunch and then just

9:46

jammed a little bit. But yeah, it felt

9:48

natural and it felt organic. It

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definitely felt to me at that moment like there

9:53

was something special that could happen out

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of it. The sounds of of

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you guys, it's I think I think of your album titled

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Folk Call Unroll, it's like it's

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so unique. I mean, was that something that evolved organically

10:04

or did you approach the project initially being like,

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no, I want to take these folk and bluegrass

10:09

influences and kind of build on it and take it to

10:11

this different place. It almost started.

10:13

Uh, well, we were at least I was

10:15

very said on like let's just stay a folk band, let's

10:18

let's keep doing this thing. And we all have influences

10:20

from other areas for sure, But it

10:22

took getting into the studio when we

10:24

were making kids these days to

10:27

kind of get pushed by our producer to try

10:29

some other sounds and incorporate other things

10:31

in. And the first one was instead

10:33

of doing an upright basse, using a mog synthesizer

10:36

to cover that area. And I think when

10:38

that got put on there and I remember

10:41

being reluctant to that, and then hearing

10:43

it, I was like, this is really cool, Maybe

10:45

we can. I think that kind of just opened up

10:47

the floodgates to trying new things and adding

10:49

electric guitar and basically any

10:52

other thing that we were excited about or

10:54

interested in at least being willing to try it. So,

10:56

I mean, yeah, our our focus for our

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primary instruments at least when we started,

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we're banjo, mandolin, guitar, but

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really we all are all over the place

11:05

with what else we write and what we like to listen

11:07

to and things like that. So it's it's been more fun

11:09

I think in an honest representation of who

11:11

we are individually and collectively, to

11:14

branch out and add those elements of literally

11:16

anything else. I guess that has become

11:19

more of I think our official sound, but

11:21

then also still holding onto our our roots

11:24

of banjo and mandolin specifically for

11:26

each song, and trying to still make those

11:28

kind of fit into the puzzle of all the different

11:30

areas that we kind of dabbled it. Now. I

11:32

was always gonna ask what did you grow up listening to? Did

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you all grow up listening to that that kind of bluegrass,

11:38

Oh brother, we're out there top type sound

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or what? What? What was were you

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into? What was the music that first got you into music?

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For me, I was my parents started

11:47

the symphony and so I definitely was influenced

11:50

on that level classically and listening

11:52

to that a lot. But I think when I first

11:54

fell in love with music, and for myself,

11:56

it was like kind of rock punk metal.

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We're the things like you know, the

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Green Day, Lincoln Park Link two

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to Avenge, sevenfold in, Flames

12:06

and Disturbed and Slip Knot. I think

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we're some of the ones that I was really into. I'd

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stay around middle school when I particularly got

12:13

excited and more inspired. I

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used to make my own music. That was what I was definitely

12:17

listening to. But let's say folk came later.

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Got into that more around high school with

12:21

Nicols Creek and uh John

12:23

Butler, those are probably my big influences

12:25

there. And then got a banjo as

12:27

a high school graduation gift because it almost

12:30

like you'd probably like this, and I said, sure, somehow

12:32

that's the one. The one I ended up playing for

12:34

for all this Bryan tute,

12:36

it would bet you guys. For me, it was kind

12:39

of two sides of the coin with with

12:41

my dad and my mom also being like influences.

12:44

Like when I was in my dad's car was always kind

12:46

of you know, run the MC him and um

12:48

like he's kind of throwing a party

12:50

and his suburban with like he was like the

12:53

cool dad, like listening to hip hop. You know. My mom

12:55

was more kind of like an R M R

12:57

Speedwagon top Petty Queen, all

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the Rick and Backer rock type stuff, Gelton

13:03

Show, I mean, I kind of like the classic just more

13:05

kind of eclectic. I guess maybe like John Jett was

13:07

like one of her favorite artists as well. I think

13:09

they had kind of attitude and chip on his shoulder,

13:12

like rock wise that was kind

13:14

of blowing out of the top when she was growing up. What

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kind of my my influences.

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Yeah, I grew up playing starting on a

13:20

piano and and then eventually

13:23

like picking up guitar and playing in more

13:25

rock bands, like in the middle

13:27

school talent show, that kind of thing. So

13:30

I was really big into Ben Folds

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play, you know, definitely did our Fisher

13:36

playing Sweet Child of Mine.

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But then similar to Nate,

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I got a mandolin as a Christmas

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gift around the end of my

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senior year of high school, and

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and then also meeting Nate really introduced

13:51

me even more into bluegrass music.

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Moving from Chicago to Tennessee

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was a lot more exposure to bluegrass music,

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and I think that was around

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the time that I met the guys, was the

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peaking my interest in that genre.

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So I think that was not

14:08

not a plan for you guys, because the

14:10

mandolin was a Christmas gift, It

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wasn't like my main instrument. It

14:15

definitely played a part in like the beginning

14:18

of our journey and kind of going from there.

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I want to ask you more about your writing process because

14:22

I think I read that your your song take It All Back

14:24

came together like in a couple of minutes

14:26

in a ship. I think, do the best songs come

14:29

quickly or are they're

14:31

ones that you really love and feel passionate about

14:33

that you really lavished a lot of attention on

14:35

for a long long time, Like we kind of

14:38

running the game about both of those stories.

14:40

Like take It Off Back was kind of

14:42

a moment of time. It was just a quick you

14:44

were you were actually rehearsing

14:47

for the tour. We just started kind of gaming and they

14:49

had kind of come up with this stage a lot that I

14:51

think you had light before. For whatever

14:53

reason that that day it just kind of something

14:56

kind of struck and we ended

14:58

up playing that song on the tour

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because we loved this so rich um, you

15:02

know, that wasn't out yet, so that that

15:04

was like kind of a magical moment. But then

15:06

like a song like the Student Jacket or

15:08

a song like over my Head, they were written

15:11

over the course of like five years, that was kind

15:13

of like a slower process. And so I

15:15

think there is definitely a magic in the ones that come quack,

15:18

but also allowing the ones that need to be

15:20

slower to come slow. And I think that's kind

15:22

of the beauty of like I think the beauty of music

15:24

and writing. It's like there's there's not really one format

15:27

that is necessarily correct. Yeah,

15:29

I was just kind of like kind of following

15:31

the song where wherever it goes and

15:34

in a very gify way and saying that you

15:45

mentioned rehearsing for for touring.

15:47

Obviously it's been really difficult this

15:49

last year to tour. I try to pitch

15:51

in and help in what little way I can. I

15:53

wanted to ask you, have you ever had any spinal

15:55

tap moments on the road, Moments on tour where

15:57

you're just like, this is a disaster. Were

16:00

you know, we we were lost on the way to the stage,

16:02

the bus broke down where you know, we're

16:04

opening for a puppet Shell. Any any funny

16:07

moments from the road that you remember. When

16:09

we were on the tour with Incubus

16:12

and we had like a one off

16:14

date that was in New York but the

16:16

next day was in Portland, I

16:19

think our flight that morning

16:21

got canceled from New York, so we

16:23

had like we had to figure out a way

16:25

to get to Portland and play the show

16:27

that night. And so I think

16:29

it was you know, like a seventeen

16:31

hour travel to We ended

16:34

up planning to Seattle and then driving and

16:36

we were actually I think fifteen

16:38

minutes late for our set, but we just we

16:41

just rolled up and just ran on stage

16:44

and played like half of the set and then just

16:46

collapsed after that. I think that was that

16:49

stands out for me as like one of

16:51

the longest days in our touring

16:53

history. I can't believe you made it. Wow,

16:56

Yeah, barely made it that that night

16:58

to tour a slee like we

17:01

we would start out to set, I'm not sure. I'm pretty

17:03

sure we started out to set this time with like

17:06

tea paints, booty work, just

17:08

as like this survibe that we were kind

17:10

of coming with and it actually wasn't

17:12

really coming across very well to like that

17:15

fan base demographic, but we just

17:17

kind of like we just stuck with it because we were

17:19

like, hey, you know, our

17:21

our job as a member advantage to the

17:24

black esser. Hey, it's like the boken opinion

17:26

and so like. But I remember that day we

17:28

were also stressed, so tired,

17:31

and there's two fans in the front row. It

17:33

was like a bit of a couple and

17:36

after we did few people work that day they

17:38

like they're on the barricade

17:40

on the rail and they like look the other way

17:42

on our whole set. I've never seen

17:45

it before. Like they were just absolutely

17:47

discussed of coming out and like a little

17:49

dance jig and then um,

17:51

you know that was like that was

17:53

a that was a rough, tough look

17:56

for us. Yeah

17:59

about Ben as a fromman going into like plunging someone,

18:03

it was probably because it's just tire stress and this

18:05

dude was just disrespect man.

18:08

Man. We'll stay there. I hope that helps now, aren't

18:10

you glad you're home? Exactly?

18:15

Obviously, this last year has been tough

18:17

for all of us for so many different reasons.

18:19

What's been keeping you grounded? Like has there been a

18:22

silver lining at all for this for you guys,

18:24

Like what's been sort of like the thing that

18:26

that has gotten you through the last year? And

18:29

we've all, I mean, we've obviously all been different

18:31

places, so we've all been individually

18:34

growing a whole lot. I

18:36

think for us individually, we

18:38

have found like actually a lot of mental

18:40

health and space to kind of be ground

18:43

because I think we've all have discovered just kind

18:45

of like what you're saying, like, um, for the

18:47

greater amount of like our first eight

18:49

years to be and like we were doing around two witter,

18:52

you know, trying to pick these shows a year, and

18:56

that I think for me, like we're just realizing,

18:59

man, that actually was really taking a toll on

19:01

me and my soul. And I

19:03

think this year in a lot of ways has

19:05

been like really healthy for like our relationships

19:08

back home, being able to process

19:10

things a little bit better as they come up, whatever

19:12

the tragedies or traumas or whatever

19:15

you wanna call them. Because when you're on the road

19:17

and you're kind of in the think of the rhythms,

19:20

you're almost like you're not on an autopilot

19:22

because each show and everything

19:24

it's like a new adventure. Well we

19:27

all three well performing, But I

19:29

think for me it's just been nice to be home and

19:31

to be like rounded in like the family. And

19:33

also when things come up, we're

19:36

dealing with past things. I'm

19:38

able to fully process rather than just going get

19:41

out my rage like on a you know, on

19:43

the stage, just deal with whatever is

19:45

in front of you. On on the tour, I feel like it's

19:47

whatever is that day's thing you've got to get through,

19:49

as opposed to, you know, the bigger things that

19:51

are inside of us. Is has that come through

19:54

and what you've you've been writing recently, Like if

19:56

you noticed a shift in your writing style in the last year.

19:58

Yeah, sorry, I don't want to. You know, I'm

20:00

talking several round so my moms like that snow

20:03

way, UM, I think I think it does.

20:05

Like I think our band we always

20:07

try to write something relative

20:10

to the story that we're living because

20:12

we want people to get

20:14

the most optic de vision of

20:17

our story. And UM,

20:19

I think I think that kind of came through on

20:21

EP talks as far as like just price

20:23

story, the journey that I was going through with my family.

20:26

UM. And we're trying to find those patterns within

20:29

the pretty less for kind of what's

20:31

coming on, um,

20:33

you know all the stuff that we've kind of been processing

20:36

and doing them this time. You

20:38

know, Briane s been Sweden and it's

20:40

been win a car coming here. There's

20:43

been a lot of growth and there's kind of now that's

20:45

kind of coming together, um,

20:47

which has been hard and

20:50

amazing. UM. So we're

20:52

kind of looking forward to the new songs

20:54

kind of coming out that we're picking up and

20:57

I'm excited. I'm really excited for this song. This week, come

20:59

out and grow up. Nate and Brian, what what

21:01

about you, guys? What have you? What's been keeping you? Uh,

21:03

sort of on an even keel the last year.

21:06

Yeah, I was able to. I guess when

21:08

We've been off the road for most of our career,

21:11

I've been continuing to move around and keep

21:13

traveling or trying to find that place

21:15

that really felt like I could rest and

21:17

and all that. And I think this break was it

21:20

really allowed me to have that and

21:22

find that out in Colorado, close to where

21:24

I grew up. And so I've been based out

21:26

of winter Park up in the mountains and really

21:28

diving into that community and being present

21:30

there and uh, yeah, it's it's

21:33

been an awesome space too. It's the first time

21:35

I've been somewhere and like didn't want to leave, I

21:37

think so like to yeah,

21:40

to continue to want to press in and show up

21:42

there every day. And I love to ski

21:44

and snowboard and so it's really easy to do that there

21:47

and just also really small

21:49

town vibe, which I'm into as well. I like

21:52

kind of running into people constantly

21:54

and having a small niche community there

21:56

and so that's been a really really awesome

21:58

space for me and I think has

22:00

definitely inspired me creatively as well,

22:02

and just to take better care of myself

22:05

too. And so I don't know I'm really

22:07

thankful for or that's one of

22:09

the things I'm thankful for in the midst of

22:11

a hard season, but really getting to

22:13

plug in and rest out there has been sweet.

22:16

Well that's a hell of a silver lining. That's wonderful

22:18

to hear. Yeah, for me, I've

22:20

I think in a weird way, I've almost had

22:22

to let go of the of my

22:24

version of home because

22:27

when we were touring constantly, I

22:29

was I was almost this suspended

22:32

reality wanting to get back

22:34

home and like just pining

22:37

for that moment of being back in Nashville.

22:40

But then this year, obviously living in Sweden,

22:42

I had to, like, you know, we I wasn't

22:45

traveling at all, which I've probably

22:47

gotten a little bit too used to that now, never

22:49

getting on a plane, never getting in a car,

22:52

um like walking everywhere. But

22:54

but I think it was a little bit. One thing that

22:56

has grounded me and I've learned is like

22:58

how I'm finding a version of home

23:01

within my own self instead of in

23:03

a place in like learning how

23:05

to be content in that in whatever

23:07

life throws at me because I definitely

23:10

did miss Nashville at the beginning of

23:12

that year, but then by the end I

23:14

kind of felt a renewed sense

23:17

of contentment in within

23:19

myself. So that's a long, long answer

23:21

to that, but that's kind of what's

23:23

been keeping me grounded and what I've been learning

23:26

that is amazing me. Yeah, be here now, home

23:29

is wherever you make it. I think that's that's a I think

23:31

it's a beautiful thing to learn. I think it's a

23:33

beautiful note to end on. Guys, thank you

23:35

so much for your time and your music. It was such

23:37

a pleasure talking you. Thank you.

23:39

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