0:01

It's. Only a kick. A

0:05

jump. A block.

0:08

It's only a serve. It's

0:10

only attack or a run.

0:12

It's only for the fade.

0:16

After all, it's only

0:18

pressure. You got this?

0:20

Adidas? Curious.

0:57

Well here. We go out.

0:59

Go back to another one here on

1:01

inside. I'm Cb the Chris Van Vliet

1:03

and look I know you've got a

1:06

lot of podcast options out there that

1:08

you can be listening to right now.

1:10

So thank you for being here. Thank

1:12

you as always for making and say

1:14

one of the top wrestling podcast on

1:16

the Up Lion. It. And

1:18

you know sometimes you think you've got

1:20

someone figured out because you've seen him

1:22

on T V or you been following

1:24

their career for a long time. Well.

1:27

If. You thought you knew Mike Santana.

1:30

From. His time and Dna or A

1:32

W. Get. Ready to be

1:34

very surprised. Mike is

1:36

nothing like the intense character that

1:39

he played as part of Proud

1:41

a Powerful with Ortiz or part

1:43

of L A X in Dna.

1:46

This. Is like a very reflective

1:48

conversation about Santana life in his

1:51

career up to this point. It.

1:53

Also gets pretty emotional. At

1:55

times. He talks about going to

1:58

rehab and being sober now for. Over

2:00

a year. What a journey that's been. Talks.

2:03

About asking for his release from a

2:05

W and being granted it at the

2:07

beginning benny beginning of March of this

2:09

year talks about what led up to

2:12

him splitting with his long time tag

2:14

team partner Or Teas. And. He

2:16

talks about what's next for him.

2:18

Oh and why. They. Both decided

2:20

to sign with a W over

2:22

W W with about five years

2:24

ago. It's all very fascinating

2:27

stuff, I hope you enjoyed this conversation, staff

2:29

a screenshot if you do and tag us

2:31

so we can share it. He

2:33

that Santana underscore proud. I.

2:36

Am at Chris fans leads. And

2:38

here we go. Enjoyed this conversation. With.

2:41

Might Santana. It's

2:47

been awhile so so good to see a man

2:49

as a Likewise when the thank you for making

2:51

the trip out l year earlier L A is

2:53

beautiful it said said nice this time a year

2:55

earlier the only I got off the plane and

2:58

I was like. Let's go. Going to

3:00

get used to seventy five degrees and sunny? Absolutely.

3:02

I mean New York New York is starting to

3:04

warm up a little bit, but like we're in

3:06

that transition of a slight. It's. Nice

3:09

for like two days and then it's

3:11

freezing for like three days and so

3:13

it's up and down right now. New

3:15

York's always been home for your own

3:17

absolute yet born and raised your like

3:19

through and through a New York or

3:21

Rican in a New York region New

3:23

York? Yup. Yup yeah. Born and raised

3:25

on the only one like Less affair

3:27

everybody elses as gone and you know

3:29

I'm. For me you know

3:31

are. Coming. Into wrestling.

3:33

Always knew that I wonder represent New York

3:36

and and to some to special Dad and.

3:38

Also. Have never less because you know

3:41

what I look out for, my grandparents and

3:43

and I spin a of time with them

3:45

than you know they're getting up there in

3:47

age so. Me being close family

3:49

is everything for me. So me being

3:51

close to them and dumb. Yeah.

3:54

That was insula. Who's around your neck here? This is

3:56

my dad. Wow. Yeah, my

3:58

dad passed away. If four years

4:01

ago. So. January

4:03

Twenty Twenty. Wow. Lawyers

4:05

Day is right there next year. Hard all

4:07

the time. Yes sir, Yes sir. He

4:10

was. Like five. Years ago, I think

4:12

when we did our last interview, a

4:14

lot has changed in a hotel room.

4:16

Yeah, that's right. easier harm others Chicago?

4:19

Yup. Yup. Yeah, a lot's changed since

4:21

then, as soon as. I guess

4:23

the biggest thing is you're not with a W anymore. I.

4:25

Am not yet. So What was

4:27

the decision to not resign or

4:29

what ended up happening with a

4:32

W? Well. Ah

4:34

like I was so new. I'm. My.

4:37

Decision To. To. Leave

4:39

A W came well before

4:41

my home. My.

4:43

Injury Actually I got hurt. In

4:46

June of. Twenty Twenty

4:48

Two. And at

4:50

that point I was just

4:52

dealing with so much in

4:54

my life personally and professionally

4:56

at work. I'm.

4:59

In I was just burnt out. Like.

5:02

I have my contract is coming

5:04

up in September I believe. And.

5:06

I had already made a decision that I'm not

5:09

going to resign and I'm gonna just I need

5:11

to take a break and deal with the things

5:13

that I needed. Deal was. And

5:15

dumb. Yeah.

5:18

So and then. The.

5:20

Injuries happen so. That.

5:23

Was. A lot

5:25

a lot was going on during that time. Did

5:27

they personally did they want to resign you in

5:29

September like was added a on offer there was

5:31

made you. Ah, I'm

5:34

not sure. What? I

5:36

was it really actively pursuing.

5:39

Or. You like the time was

5:41

coming up. Player said it was June

5:43

I got hurt. Our contract was. Up

5:47

August. I think. Because

5:50

you got it out loud. Yeah yeah yeah

5:52

I believe August yeah. and I was a

5:54

really like actively pursuing or you guys going

5:56

to resign us were because you're already in

5:58

my head. I was like. The To. And

6:01

way and you to take a break. Ah,

6:03

I'm I'm sure. Some

6:05

to would have worked out and and

6:08

you know they probably would have resigned

6:10

us. Ah, But

6:13

yeah man, during that time was just. it was

6:15

a very dark time for a. What?

6:17

Was what was going on. Arms.

6:20

Unhappiness personally and in

6:22

my life outside of

6:24

wrestling and then. It

6:27

professionally. things weren't. Really?

6:29

Going good arm I was.

6:32

Miserable to say the least. Those on

6:34

happy. I'm you know

6:36

my partnership was falling

6:38

apart. On. Things.

6:41

At work just weren't like. A

6:45

lot of things were just very stagnant and

6:47

under tighter I'm I'm like a go getter

6:49

and I'm. Very goal oriented and

6:51

and I'm again like in this

6:53

business I treated as such or

6:55

treaters business and if you're not.

6:58

I'm striving to be at the top

7:00

into, you know, be a champion in,

7:02

You know, Grow yourself

7:04

so what are you doing right? And that's

7:06

with anything. I feel like. I'm.

7:10

But also I was also dealing

7:12

with like. My. Addiction issues

7:14

during that time. At

7:17

that point they were they were getting

7:19

pretty bad and then the injury you

7:21

like when the injury happened. I remember.

7:26

It. Happen in laying there in the ring and

7:28

I was like damn I got hurt or

7:30

like thank god I got her. Know.

7:34

Who's. Is a weird time So your

7:37

cell it's it's a year rights and

7:39

she was year sober. Your house gradually.

7:41

Thank you Staying How. Was. The day.

7:43

Settlers. Sixteen cases I was just

7:46

about a year ago while at what

7:48

was the moment for you when you

7:50

when. I need to get claim.

7:59

Or news. In bad home.

8:03

To. That wasn't coming home. And.

8:06

I would be out for days. And

8:09

I'm Christmas is coming up.

8:12

In every year my daughter always wrote

8:14

for Christmas list to Santa. And

8:18

I'm. In

8:24

her list or. One.

8:31

Of the only things are her lists was or that

8:33

she wanted daddy to stop. And

8:40

Done. Under

8:48

my grandmother wrote me a letter. And

8:55

the. A

8:57

grandmother has always been like

9:00

gov. A savior of

9:02

mine my life! And are you know

9:04

growing up by are up. For.

9:07

A rough childhood in see

9:09

I'm She showed me. That

9:12

there was more to life than just like trauma

9:14

in a lot of the. Bullshit.

9:16

I was going through and I'm. And

9:22

she's always been a savior of mine.

9:24

and. Seeing

9:27

that I was like causing her

9:29

pain and especially after my dad

9:31

passed away. And

9:33

I'm. On

9:36

the My Daughter. And

9:38

her mom. It

9:41

was like you know when you're an addict. You

9:44

think you just hurting yourself? When

9:48

you don't see the others around you that there

9:50

are hurting you know. So. My

9:52

here you are on the other side of it. And.

9:55

Him and his. Be really proud

9:57

yourself. Absolutely absolutely well with was.

10:00

That was it. Alcohol was a toes. What

10:02

was the main thing is struggle with those

10:04

alcohol and other stuff here. For.

10:06

Hear you on the other side of it am

10:08

in and like. One day being

10:10

sober was probably a big accomplishment. Yeah

10:13

than one week? Yeah than a month's

10:15

yet? And. Here you are in. and

10:17

it's everyday, right? Oh yeah, an idle idle

10:19

like. You. Know and here you are. A

10:21

year later I heard a i heard Eddie Guerrero

10:23

say this use like you can. Overwhelm

10:26

yourself with the thoughts of. Shit.

10:28

I gotta be sober for the rest of my life. That's.

10:30

Way too overwhelming. You

10:33

know it's just for today. Today.

10:35

I'm not going to drink today. I'm not going to do drugs.

10:38

And. Then it's like that the next day

10:40

and the next day and it just

10:42

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I'm still in your. And. I. It

12:00

really hard to the like oh it's a

12:02

it's a daily thing to daily decision. So

12:05

when you thinking. I'm not going to

12:08

resign with a W. Did you think about. Once.

12:10

They get everything cleaned up in my personal life. Once I

12:12

get this figured out, you think about what was gonna be

12:14

next for your career. I'm.

12:18

A mean at that time. Ah,

12:21

back when I got hurt. I

12:24

was just thinking of like i need to get outta

12:26

here. Like. Any to get away

12:28

from this, I need to figure my life out.

12:30

I need to like I wasn't even thinking. Or

12:33

I once I get everything situated, I'll.

12:35

Come. Back to help. You. Know do what I

12:37

gotta do. I was just like. So.

12:40

Overwhelmed with everything and so unhappy

12:42

and dealing with you notice at

12:44

like when my dad passed away.

12:48

In. Ah, I've

12:50

I've always lived my life as survival

12:52

mode. Right? Ah, it

12:54

was something I just got used to so.

12:57

My. Entire life was just like. Costing.

13:01

Guard up cause cent or

13:03

just surviving day by day.

13:06

And I'm. In

13:08

there was a lot of things that I went to as a

13:10

kid. An. Experience that.

13:14

I held inside. Cause.

13:16

I. I. Wasn't really taught to

13:18

speak about these things are wasn't ah?

13:21

You know, My. Mom, you

13:23

know because of the things that were going

13:25

on? And for her to

13:27

protect us and and make sure that everything would

13:29

be a she always would be like yo Whatever

13:32

happens at home stays at home. You. Know

13:34

we'll talk about this. So. I

13:36

grew up with that I was like yeah,

13:38

whatever a deal with such do saw my

13:40

own and keep a portion of. And

13:43

dumb. So.

13:45

He i held onto a lot of things

13:47

from my childhood and and things are never

13:49

really dealt with and spoke about and are.

13:52

You know when nest of builds up. As.

13:54

Like a soda bottle. When. You shake

13:57

it up, you know, and eventually something

13:59

will happen and. And or explode. And

14:01

that's what happened when my dad died. You.

14:04

Know where Dad died and. Everything

14:06

just came to the service. When.

14:08

You say you're in survival mode your whole

14:10

life? Then. You get signed by

14:12

a W and twenty nine two you're offered I'm

14:14

sure more money than you'd ever made in your

14:17

careers. Rustler to things are change their to the

14:19

not for things in perspective of like okay like.

14:22

Everything have work for. It's sort of a

14:24

off know. It it. But.

14:27

I was still living in survival mode and

14:29

it was. It was. It. Was

14:31

just crazy. I like. I realize

14:33

it now looking back as like.

14:37

There was a lot of things that I don't really

14:40

get to enjoy because I was costly. like. In.

14:42

Their survival mode where is like I'm waiting for

14:44

the next shoe to drop. Okay,

14:47

I guess I and I got a great contract. Among

14:49

tv of doing this I'm doing that have

14:51

traveled the world. I've. Wrestled. And

14:54

Msg of freakin' you know all over

14:56

the current everything. all these things. And.

15:00

I'd. Never really took a moment to

15:03

light. Reflecting. Be like damn

15:05

to. There's never a moment you're able to sit

15:07

there and to proceed. What's happening? In

15:09

have recently. Really? Or was

15:11

it. When.

15:15

Ah, I

15:18

think it was like right before going

15:20

into rehab were up. When.

15:27

My daughter's mom, she sews you know, talking

15:29

to me and like getting on my ass

15:31

about things and and she was like yo,

15:33

have you not realize what you've done in

15:35

your life. She.

15:40

Was like you're a poor porta rican to from

15:42

New York. And

15:44

you got to see the world. You

15:47

got to or. Accomplish

15:49

things that. You. Know. Of.

15:52

Louis A frenzy grew up with. Lot.

15:54

Of the morning and around. I'm.

16:01

And. She's like here you are ready to piss

16:03

it all away. And

16:07

then a ah I went

16:09

in and I remember sitting.

16:12

At the window in my room. And.

16:15

Going to detox was the worst experience

16:17

of my life. I think if there's

16:19

anything. That's was going to keep

16:22

me away from drugs et al gore is

16:24

that experience. When to that he realized how

16:26

bad I was Until I went to that

16:28

I was like what did I do to

16:31

myself. And I remember going

16:33

to detox and staring out that window

16:35

and just like shivering in in like

16:38

feeling like. Like. I'm

16:40

not a the human and I was like

16:42

yo. What? Am I

16:44

doing? I would. Require.

16:47

A man. You get

16:49

all the shit that I've done. You. Know like.

16:52

Yeah, it was like that moment. I was

16:55

like wow, this is it After. I.

16:57

Got. Get better missouri a

16:59

moment with would you guys were

17:01

doing where you realized. We.

17:03

Are one of the hottest tag teams in

17:05

the world. When

17:08

we took those mass off the aid

17:10

of you debut. When

17:13

we. Because.

17:15

We had a. Wrestle

17:18

the Msg. And my

17:20

whole family was there. My dad was there. And

17:23

I was against Luge A Bros. And

17:26

we had a crazy run with the Luge

17:28

Bros. We wrestled them. About. Twenty

17:30

four times in a year. All over the

17:32

world. Crazy. And.

17:36

I remember my dad i I went to

17:38

the from the garden to give my family

17:40

the tickets for my dad for me to

17:42

the side is like. Yours.

17:44

Crazy to My dad took me around first

17:46

garden show. Out for years

17:49

old. To. Member who is

17:51

on the oh yes I do

17:53

It was so as tag match

17:55

it was Will was it. It

17:57

was like ninety five Elazar. It.

18:00

Was Barrette. Who.

18:03

Was it was Brett? Sean? Yokozuna.

18:08

And somebody. Else. Is

18:10

like a tag match how show

18:12

racy. It was insane. My.

18:15

Dad actually still had the program while he

18:17

carried around with him and his by. I've

18:19

found that out when he passed away, I

18:21

was cleaning out his place. And

18:24

I went in his claws. I'm going to his

18:26

jackets and I sound a program in one. His

18:28

jack is that he always wore wow so he

18:30

carried that was of all the time while but

18:32

I yeah we're in front of the garden. He's

18:35

like isn't a crazy that ah. Or

18:37

those years ago I brought you to see all

18:40

your favorite wrestlers. And now I'm here

18:42

to see most a wrestler. Burrow.

18:44

Fitbit. Wow. You.

18:48

That a W debut at all hours.

18:51

Special Yeah I was in the clock

18:53

crowd there. I remember the first of

18:55

all, how do you decide what president

18:57

you're going to base your honor know?

18:59

I just know that we were that

19:01

we can we were do a some

19:03

indie shows a Chicago and we were

19:05

in a hotel room on a Patrick

19:07

Swayze a chick employ break a well

19:09

yes and I was like yo that's

19:11

because we were trying to figure out

19:13

or right how we're going to do

19:15

this like what are we gonna you

19:17

know. And

19:19

I was I. We are do because you

19:21

know we always wore the Dead Presidents face

19:23

paint. We we started doing that at at

19:26

impact. And the sounds

19:28

like man we gonna. Do

19:30

something kind of similar but like

19:32

different night. And

19:34

dong. Yet point break came on. I

19:36

was like. That. Sit

19:38

right there and. And.

19:41

Yeah, we do. It was just random. It was

19:44

like. Or a. Kennedy.

19:46

And and I think plan. Or whatever.

19:48

Sure they were like Ok here's all the presidents You

19:50

can't be. Accessed

19:52

I'm going out is fair game but you

19:54

can't be I I think the choice of

19:57

president's the those with only ones at the

19:59

store. For the others were

20:01

I will put in his from like

20:03

or childhood and stuff so I'll never

20:05

forget the call from Excalibur. Could you

20:08

guys take off the mask? It's are

20:10

generally year and a crowd knew exactly

20:12

where you deliver. I think that was

20:14

it. You know because we. Like.

20:17

People watched impact like we were doing

20:19

some cool stuff in but like. We.

20:22

Still were like moon. Though.

20:24

They're going to know we are and that's

20:26

always. That's Everybody's like reactionary A it doesn't

20:28

I don't care who you are, ya that's

20:30

or are they going to react. Are they

20:32

gonna? you know, know who I am. And

20:35

dollars deposit and were like I remember

20:38

were standing under the stage in his

20:40

dark. And. Ah I

20:42

looked over have a partner at and

20:44

I'm like yo. Is. Going to

20:46

be crickets watch. Recruited

20:49

as die, she's like Yelp

20:51

as so. We were ready

20:53

for that already. So the.

20:56

Yeah. Man We! we took those

20:58

mass off and I could feel

21:01

it go from my feet or

21:03

the way up. To. My head

21:05

like that roar. It was

21:07

like unlike anything I've ever experienced.

21:09

Sues you know because it it

21:11

like it rose just slide. On

21:15

a know we took those mass off and

21:17

it was like oh it's on a what

21:19

a unique time right? like at that point

21:21

for a w because I think that was

21:23

only the third paper view. yeah. They.

21:26

Hadn't even started Tv? Yeah, yeah, see.

21:28

I know it's like you had double

21:30

or nothing. had sites fighter faster or

21:32

take away a befallen or whatever. why?

21:34

I think that. Wasn't. A

21:37

firefighter first identified yeah, worth it. was like a

21:39

fourth one day and then all out. So

21:41

was like the the momentum was there. Right

21:44

in there was like this real hunger for

21:46

something else. Is my nineteen. And.

21:48

I'd it was like lightning in a bottle and

21:50

you guys coming in their. The.

21:52

Fans were so like smart to who

21:55

liked the big names were. And

21:58

I think the one word that

22:00

best describes Santana or Two's is

22:02

intense and. I know this

22:04

from personal experience. People won't remember this,

22:06

but I was part of a segment

22:09

with you guys on like the fifth

22:11

episode, A Dynamite and we were in

22:13

Charleston, West Virginia, I was

22:15

interviewing Mister The Rock and Roll Express

22:17

in my final eight of you segment

22:19

that I did which most people don't.

22:21

You remember that you guys come out

22:23

and. I. Just remembered. Yeah

22:25

yeah. Hit Ricky more in the back of

22:28

the head with like our socks filled with

22:30

pennies and I'm like oh damn the lead,

22:32

you guys both get up in my face

22:34

and oh my god I'm outta here. Five

22:36

hour earlier. this. And then

22:38

you procedure power bomb Ricky Martin's

22:41

to stay minutes before died. Five,

22:46

but you'll, I love Ricky every

22:48

savvy sees like thank you for

22:50

like reinvigorate reinvigorating or career and

22:53

oldest I'm like. We

22:55

almost to do sorry I remember like

22:57

walking through that whole thing. he's like

22:59

oh yeah like mixer. Make sure he

23:02

give it to Maria Yeah he's a

23:04

he's a pro pro man Ja Rule

23:06

veteran there was There were so much

23:08

buzz around you guys and it's crazy

23:10

to sit here five years later and

23:12

think the you never won a W

23:14

Tag Team championships. What?

23:17

Happened. Your.

23:19

Guess is a good as mine. Ah,

23:21

I'm. Of

23:24

a be real Amish, you straight with you. The

23:27

reason I was given. Was.

23:30

That there was too many other people fighting for

23:32

their spot. And.

23:34

That piss me off more than anything. Because.

23:40

That that was like. Because

23:44

I. Am

23:47

feeling you guys would also be fighting

23:50

for that spot. Yes and when you

23:52

in in i understand. That. When.

23:55

You get to a certain level in

23:57

this business. If you don't fight for

23:59

you. You don't advocate for yourself.

24:01

You'll get nowhere. And

24:04

that was a big part of my fight.

24:08

You know was in my in my. Team.

24:12

And I'm. When.

24:14

I heard that he just validated everything

24:16

that I was like. For.

24:19

It. Was. Or ever talk of

24:22

giving you guys the championship there was

24:24

in the beginning. Right

24:26

when I'm. It.

24:29

Was. We.

24:31

Were feuding with. It was right before

24:33

the pandemic. right? We were shooting

24:35

with the box. We're ending or feud with a

24:37

box. And. Ah they both

24:39

told us they were like a after

24:41

this you're gonna go far. In.

24:44

And start working a program where

24:46

serve Frankie and scored. At

24:49

the time that there were still champs. Then

24:51

you guys are going to gather belts from

24:53

them and and whatever. But then I'm. So

24:56

that was. The.

25:00

The. Week Of. New Years Eve. And

25:03

then we were supposed to have a

25:05

match New Years Day! And.

25:07

Then start to program with them. We were gonna go

25:09

into some promos and then that morning I woke up

25:11

and got the call it my dad passed away. So.

25:15

I've. Had to leave here.

25:17

so I lust and then I

25:19

I was gone for two weeks.

25:22

And in those to eat everything changed and well

25:24

that was it. And. Then not

25:26

long after that, we go into

25:28

the pandemic style era of Russell.

25:30

Yeah, yeah, yeah, was or a

25:32

crazy time. Yams a crazy time.

25:34

So where did the falling out

25:36

with Ortiz begin? Ah,

25:39

you know I. Won't

25:42

we were together for ten years

25:44

I think? And. You know

25:46

when you to go with someone buffalo? you know.

25:49

It's. Like a married couple. Writers stirs, you

25:51

know, Is. Good, there's bad. I'm.

25:55

And I think. Honestly,

26:00

For. The most part it was like. I

26:04

think we just grew apart. Overtime.

26:07

And. Also are visions

26:09

for. The. Tag Team and

26:11

it's Future And ah. You

26:14

know it's success. Like. It.

26:17

We weren't on the same page when it came to a

26:19

lot of those things. I'm. In

26:22

you know it is what it is everybody

26:24

has or their thoughts. Everybody you know goes

26:26

about things differently. Arm.

26:29

But yeah, I'm like I told you, I'm

26:32

I'm a go getter. I like to create

26:34

opportunities for myself. I'll I'll are more than

26:36

willing to fight. For. Our spot.

26:39

And dumb. But. Also, I'm not

26:41

going to be the only one. So. Was

26:43

it a you wanted to do things on your own or

26:45

the you wanted more for the tags? I want to more

26:47

for the taxi. And

26:49

doubt that was like. Dollars

26:52

to mean saying N

26:54

N. Again,

26:56

it just wasn't. It.

27:01

How do I say it? It just

27:03

like. Or visions. Just words to

27:05

say sorry you? Saying that he was happy

27:07

with what you guys were being given And

27:10

years and you were saying a lot more

27:12

than that. Yeah, Yeah. For.

27:14

The most part via. And dumb.

27:18

And then that's when I was like your I? well.

27:21

I. This

27:24

is gonna drive me crazy. Like.

27:26

I refuse to be miserable A refused

27:28

so I think. You know,

27:30

I want to start doing more single

27:32

stuff. Start challenging myself as a performer,

27:35

Start growing. I'm I'm not

27:37

one that likes to see stagnant. And

27:40

you know doubt that was.

27:44

That was it was a Met was

27:46

a lot of support. And.

27:48

there was are a created like a

27:50

friction and i was like. Man.

27:54

You. Know. You're. My brother.

27:58

And that that for me it was. Like or it.

28:00

Fits. We can be the same or. Well.

28:03

Then you guys ended up. Turning interfere with yeah

28:05

which are hours are not a paper view

28:07

much. As

28:10

valid as low as they now. my show.

28:12

How like a throwaway match on rampage with

28:14

great respect to the work for you guys.

28:16

Did. The. Build up

28:18

was there. Obviously the stories? Their. Feels

28:22

like it should have had more. He

28:24

should have. Yeah. I

28:26

mean, there was something that was supposed to

28:28

go across all three shows. at least where

28:30

we're. Where. We all sat down

28:32

and plan things out and whatever. and

28:34

then I'm the. I just got regulated

28:36

to one show and. And.

28:39

Yeah. I

28:42

don't I was just like. That was another thing that

28:44

I was like yeah. I'm good.

28:47

At the how did you decide you were going to

28:49

be Mike Santana. So. Before

28:52

before Santana game while I was

28:54

known as make drastic. On

28:56

the in these before getting science who are. To.

28:59

Impact. So I'm. Yeah.

29:01

Was like whoa. I. Didn't like

29:04

how Santana sounded by it's of you

29:06

didn't have the like Carlos and and

29:08

ah said the so I was like

29:10

our values the the the first name

29:13

but I used before you know. And.

29:16

I'm. I was it was not

29:18

a lot of thought was it's fun I heard

29:20

tone is saying was. He

29:22

should be Mcgill was and

29:24

ten yes your service. Thanks

29:26

alot. Eyes

29:28

your boy. You know he should

29:30

be the Barbarian Gomez Fitness. So

29:35

what? what? bookings you taking right now? Where

29:37

were we seen? You know, everywhere. I mean,

29:40

I've been working closely with House Glory. that's

29:42

been a place that's always been like a

29:44

home for me. I'm you know, especially very

29:46

early on a career. Ah,

29:49

they've always given as great opportunities and

29:51

helped us grow. Amazing Read and Brian

29:53

like those dudes are like mentors and

29:55

I'm always been great Dude soon I'm.

29:58

Yet to see where the. The thing is now

30:01

a how they've grown this place and

30:03

it's amazing. A mean they're going to

30:05

start touring soon and I'm. Blessed

30:07

to be a part of that team And.

30:10

And. Beyond the forefront of taken the

30:12

the company on the road and and stuff

30:14

like that. so. So. You had he

30:16

has a match with orgies. Yeah then you

30:18

guys came back together. right?

30:20

Now we we. So we

30:23

I came back. We.

30:25

Did the stadium Stampede? Yeah

30:27

At Wembley. And. Then.

30:31

We. Did the feud and then I. I

30:33

was off from to use since October. Are

30:36

you? Are you guys still not okay?

30:38

because they're still heat their. I.

30:41

Wouldn't say I mean for me I don't hold any.

30:43

I told them after the match I was i you

30:45

I hold the. Best. For you, I

30:47

hope you do well and. There's. No

30:49

hard feelings or hold no hate,

30:51

No grudge. Nothing like Gaia. Again,

30:53

like I'm in a different place in my life

30:55

in general. And. I'm.

30:59

I'm. Good. Like. I'm I'm children do

31:01

not want to be a tag team wrestler.

31:03

Anymore Rhino know. Yeah.

31:06

I think it's ah Ahmet, a

31:08

point where I am seeking gross

31:10

and I want and. Thirty. Three

31:12

Now I'm. Like. Right as in

31:15

the beginning of by prime years, I want

31:17

to take full advantage of them. Which.

31:19

I. I think it's. Okay,

31:22

Hysteria Me to? Do you know? Ah,

31:25

And yet want to see where goes you

31:27

know? I wanted Derek. I dedicated my. Half

31:30

of my career which was like. You.

31:33

Know. Ten. Twelve years a tag team I

31:35

think is only right that I dedicate the next ten

31:37

to have used to myself and see where I can

31:39

go and. Make. The best of it

31:41

man! I just want to be happy and have fun

31:43

do what I'm doing. I'm. Again,

31:45

I went through hell to get back to where

31:48

I'm at now and and just be the person

31:50

that I am. So. I won't enjoy it. And.

31:52

I refuse to. Be.

31:55

Miserable and and just like heat what I'm

31:57

doing? a mirage or just go back to

31:59

work. Nine to five. Five. You

32:01

know, like. It. Is what it is.

32:04

But I'm. Yeah. I love this too

32:06

much ram. Was. There ever any interest

32:08

at any point from Denver to be way. Like

32:11

not like recently and only oh yeah,

32:13

like when when we had i'm. Ah,

32:17

When our contracts with coming up

32:19

with was dna. Ah there

32:22

was interest with a W w to

32:24

be like we had spoken to debate

32:26

of he extensively and. They.

32:29

Made it very hard for us to

32:31

like. Not. Sir

32:34

Turn them down, you know and

32:36

are. But. Or. Thing was

32:38

that we have so Cody was the

32:40

one who hired us right and we

32:43

had already before anything we spoke a

32:45

while back in. We are giving Cody

32:47

are word before anything and or word

32:49

is everything. I'm. So by

32:52

that point where like you know and

32:54

and they they i say have you

32:56

signed anything were like no bullets. We.

32:59

You know we gave our word in and you

33:01

know. Who. We we would like to stick

33:03

to that in and you know at the

33:05

time. We. Both had young children

33:08

and we wanted to see them grow

33:10

up. and ah, the schedule was much

33:12

easier Was a W plus. On.

33:15

The. Topic. Tunisia

33:17

be part of history, be a part

33:20

of something that was brand new and

33:22

fresh. and be at ground level. And

33:24

honestly, like. Even now I can.

33:27

Honestly say like yo, I was part of that

33:29

that legacy and part of that history no matter

33:31

what. People. Could always go back And

33:34

very first show, very first main event.

33:36

My name is there so I'm happy

33:38

with that. Were. They saying was there

33:40

would have you saying gum of to orlando. Know.

33:42

They actually said. You. Could stay in

33:45

New York. Wow, that's how much they were like. L

33:47

will pay you this You could stay in New York

33:49

You did like. they make it a very very hard

33:51

but you're a manager word but I'm a man. Oh

33:53

my word. Wow. What

33:55

about now? You're free agent now! Yep. With.

33:58

Those discussions with debate. The We. Come

34:01

back up like could. Yeah, I've heard

34:03

some discussions, yeah I wouldn't have been

34:05

very open with everybody you know of

34:08

are more right now is just so

34:10

I'm. Going where

34:12

where I'm going to be able to

34:14

grow the most. And. I'm.

34:18

In. Yeah, like I don't want to

34:20

just be another guy on the roster. I already

34:22

did that. You. Know like I

34:25

wanna. Be. Part of something

34:27

I want to. Ah, Do. Something

34:29

special you know, Like thankfully I've been

34:31

smart, was money and and I'm not

34:33

like her in and I'm I'm. Taking.

34:36

My time with things and in you know I

34:38

just wanna have fun. Would. You go back

34:40

to Dna. Everything is on

34:42

table. My like that. everything. Yeah. The.

34:45

And they're doing great. They are. They

34:47

are doing amazing Dna I wrestling in

34:49

general. By

34:51

Dna being see and A again yo. Man.

34:54

Yeah, yeah, I saw. I remember

34:56

when when they first drop that

34:58

a little of. That. Hide

35:00

video. Was. All guys coming

35:03

to like the swamp. It's others like

35:05

that is the coolest. Thing I've

35:07

ever see. Do it like crazy. Toby

35:09

out of the water, little nicer out

35:11

like. Oh and

35:13

let's was so keep up with this

35:15

silly amazed at how is really your

35:18

i was at that first show hard

35:20

to kill their and i just really

35:22

you hear t at a chance again

35:24

of like yes yeah yup the as

35:26

they blew it out the watch out

35:28

watch all the shows oh man this

35:30

is. This. Is great. This Dodges I'll

35:33

have a drug that it only gets so

35:35

far right? Oh yeah yeah, you gotta deliver

35:37

on that. Have they been delivery? Have been

35:39

delivering? I mean look at the squad that

35:41

they have. They have an amazing team know

35:43

just in in. In

35:45

in the Ring but like. Behind.

35:48

The scenes mans out. They have

35:50

such a great team and everybody

35:52

everybody has that that same mindset

35:54

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35:56

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35:58

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37:11

Want you in Ortiz back together. Audible.

37:14

Let's say I mean everything like my

37:16

options are. Yeah, yeah. But. I'm.

37:19

Again, like I'm I'm. Going.

37:21

To the source for me. How deep into

37:24

the discussions with debris to be read it you

37:26

get like it was it worth yeah. was gonna

37:28

be like we're gonna send you to Annex T.

37:30

You would. do they talk about anything like that?

37:32

Yeah I mean they were like i'm. You.

37:34

Know you started nxt and you do

37:36

a few months stare and see how

37:38

you develop and you know like get

37:40

you a simulated to to our system

37:43

and stuff and then the. You.

37:45

Know. Real, They were

37:47

like we'll see you being Eric see

37:49

more than like a year. And

37:52

then being called up and then we knew we were like

37:54

yo if we get called up we're never gonna see our

37:56

kids. You. Know at

37:58

that time and and yeah, If we would have

38:00

done really well. Ah, Yeah.

38:03

We. You know, families? Everything

38:05

else for me, families, everything and I wanted

38:07

to see my daughter grow up because the

38:09

early years where we were grinding was Dna

38:12

and on the Indies. Like. We

38:14

were god. So much to that at the

38:17

time was while before. Ah we

38:19

got signed the to your name i was worried and

38:21

nine to five. And. Are you don't?

38:23

I was a conference coordinator at a law firm.

38:27

Fight. For your

38:29

money over that stretch that are, you

38:31

are in suits every day I went

38:33

outta here I was working to midtown.

38:35

Big office building. Wow yeah yeah. I'm.

38:37

Not just a dumb for the Reagan. And

38:40

I'd ever says you're either But now

38:42

that's what I was doing. What? over

38:45

the cross streets like? How about I

38:47

was on Forty six and B N

38:49

N six seven pats like Times Square

38:51

allows. Yeah, yeah. And while right up

38:54

the block. Yeah. Wow!

38:56

alleges City Five. Attic

38:58

Seventy One of the people the office think

39:00

when you tell my out on weekends or

39:02

sox so I wouldn't I wouldn't tell. But.

39:05

Like i was very i kept a very

39:07

separate right but there was times valid com

39:09

in the like a black guy and like

39:11

everyone is like. Rough. Weekend.

39:13

Yup, that's it. That's exactly it

39:16

was like etti Really? Oh no.

39:18

I've always. I've always been like.

39:20

At home I don't have no wrestling

39:22

pictures hung up. I have no. Like.

39:25

Nothing. At all. I've

39:27

always been one to keep a very separate like

39:30

my home. Life in my professional life is

39:32

just like. Also. When I

39:34

come home I like to. Be. Home or wanna

39:36

like? You know, See.

39:38

All this stuff like. I. Live it. Yeah,

39:40

Zero, I'm here. So. I'm.

39:44

Yeah. I think. You. Know the less

39:46

distractions while I'm at home. Better. See

39:48

mention the stadium Stampede you were part of three of

39:50

a money gets all of all of a myth. For.

39:54

I'm in the first one. Obviously very different from

39:56

the other ones because that was in the heart

39:58

of like know fans and everything. When.

40:00

You guys were mapping this out.

40:03

Did. You realize you has something special? Know.

40:07

The Me: you've got, you've got an

40:09

Nfl stadium Yahya at your disposal. Older,

40:11

I mean, we were. We were. We

40:15

were doing a lot of things. just

40:17

a puppy spokesman er causes Li lights

40:20

or was it of five for posted

40:22

whoop yesterday I dig dug the No

40:24

Mercy Whippets that literally so just as

40:26

a joke would be interested. you said

40:28

he disease no Mercy Irish Wales nowhere

40:31

said nothing just a transit and is

40:33

transitioned to the next day or two

40:35

adults so like we were doing things

40:37

like that and then the the bit

40:39

that we have Matt Hardy where he

40:42

switching like enjoyment out of the water.

40:44

These these were things. That were just

40:46

spit balling was yo It be hilarious if

40:48

we did this but we had no idea

40:50

that it was gonna. Catch.

40:52

On the way it did like we were just.

40:54

Or we might as well have fun doing

40:56

this and. Make. A difference,

40:59

you know what's that? phrases? necessity

41:01

as a mother invention like. When.

41:03

Your backs up against the wall and

41:06

you gotta come up with something. You

41:08

come up with Something. And.

41:10

Sometimes is the best of and world and

41:12

that's without and in a be exactly like

41:14

their. Fists. It

41:16

was help putting it together. Really, it was.

41:18

It was like when we. So.

41:21

We had. Put. It all

41:23

together the night before, like we. You

41:25

know, put together or spas and and what we were

41:27

going to do. Are you going to be

41:30

in this world? We're going to be in that

41:32

world with You know everybody had their worlds that

41:34

that's what we were calling it. And.

41:36

I'm. Yeah,

41:38

we we put it together. Maybe. Like.

41:42

Four hours? maybe? Just

41:44

mapping things out but then when we were

41:46

filming we started. we had to film when

41:48

it was dark because time would you rate

41:51

would do a paper view. And.

41:53

Dumb. So. We start

41:55

assuming may be. Eight.

42:00

Pm. And.

42:04

When. It in finished to like five am.

42:07

And. Then I got Reddit a plane back home. Like

42:10

no sleep, we went straight to the airport. From.

42:12

The stadium. Wow back home. Yeah, there's

42:14

not a lot from the pandemic error

42:16

that's like re watchable sweets. weird watching

42:19

wrestling it is. No fans yeah and

42:21

then it was slightly better with the

42:23

wrestlers around the ring. but. Still,

42:25

It's strange. Yeah, That's something you can

42:27

go back and we watch like that and some of

42:30

the cinematic matches the debate of you we had lighting

42:32

his. Pick and choose a

42:34

few things but stadium stamp exactly one of

42:36

of yeah yeah I got the whole story,

42:38

I was sammy and so much as it

42:40

was it was a lot of a lot

42:42

of stuff man but it was fun that

42:44

for me that in the parking lot brouwer

42:46

like two things that. Don't

42:48

those things will live with me. That

42:50

parking lot brawl was. Why I'm

42:52

here Yeah said I think it was

42:54

it was. That. Good because.

42:57

Or four of us were just frustrated.

43:01

With not. Were. Like a right.

43:03

We're not going to get these opportunities. we're not

43:05

gonna be, you know, put in these positions. As.

43:08

Do it herself. With. That

43:10

said, did you see all like.

43:13

It seems like there was. A handful of

43:15

people to felt that way. Maybe more than a handful of his mom.

43:18

Did. You like when Cody went to wb we

43:20

were? You like here? I. Could see

43:22

that coming. I news coming.

43:26

I. Knew there was. Ah

43:28

be real. There was two people. That.

43:31

I set off the bat that we're going to go back to go

43:33

to the. One. Of them already did.

43:36

So. I was like

43:38

man and your same as another one

43:40

that still may go back off or

43:42

yeah says has severe people are going

43:45

to wildly speculate on out at slides

43:47

such as I love having people just

43:49

is as was everything to do. What

43:51

was it about. Go. To in a

43:53

debris the made you think he's gone back. It's

43:58

funny because now. You know he's doing

44:00

the whole finish the story thing right? Arm.

44:05

That's real. That's.

44:07

Real. And. I always knew

44:09

that. There. Was a

44:11

lot more that he needed to do. You.

44:14

Know I knew I knew that a W

44:16

was going to be the end of the

44:18

offer. Cody. Ah, We'll Cody

44:20

is I mean I give him. A

44:25

lot of praise man cause when my dad died

44:27

like he was the. First.

44:30

Fruit. So I found out my

44:32

dad passed away. we were up.

44:35

At daily Place. I.

44:37

Slit my shumlin' like. I got the

44:39

call and I go outside and I'm

44:41

slipping my shit. Like. I'm

44:44

tossing guard rails like I've I was

44:46

having a breakdown litter. And.

44:48

Brandy Foundry. And

44:50

brand is like. What?

44:52

The hell she snatch me up. And.

44:55

I am like ball in my eyes out

44:57

and I tell her what happened and she's

44:59

like com was me right now. And

45:01

she puts me in a room. Issues like stay here

45:03

to novels. And. She.

45:05

When in.cody Cody came and.

45:08

Sat. Was me and he. Cried.

45:11

Was a. While. I.

45:14

Mean I was there for such a very

45:16

sharp your time in a w been. It

45:19

seemed to me like Cody was really happy

45:21

wearing the hat have the one that he

45:23

repeated when he was running the production meetings

45:25

moment. Or does it seem like he was

45:27

really happy in that role and also doing

45:29

what he was doing in the ring? And

45:32

that's why when these rumors started of like

45:34

know like he seems like he's happy being

45:36

like in that executive role. And.

45:38

It just seems to me like he really just wanted

45:41

to. Be. A wrestler? Yeah. There.

45:43

Was much more for him to do. There. Is

45:45

a lot more and I respect the hundreds of them. Like.

45:48

Are you know when you when you look at

45:50

his journey to get to where is at now.

45:52

It's. Name

45:55

another person, Who's.

45:58

Done it the way he's done it. I.

46:00

Mean when those first reports came out,

46:03

That. Cody was gonna go from a W

46:05

W B. we. Are they were shown

46:07

received a report and people were like he's

46:09

a liar and he doesn't know any sense.

46:12

Why would you start this rumor and. Since

46:15

it's time for hims Oh

46:18

well, there's no idea what

46:20

would you say. Is.

46:22

Different about a W now, then when it

46:24

when you start and forty nine to. Ah,

46:29

A lot of things. For.

46:35

Me personally in my opinion.

46:39

It. And you know, like.

46:42

Places. Change. Places grow. That's what

46:44

they're supposed to do. right? Arm

46:46

but for me personally.

46:49

It. It didn't have

46:51

that same feeling that it had. And

46:53

twenty nineteen? Like. Or

46:58

know like is, you know. It's

47:02

hard for me to like pinpoint. You. Know

47:04

there's so many things. Like so many different

47:06

things. Just a different place in

47:09

general. Hill. Said, but I

47:11

feel like wrestling as a whole right now.

47:13

Him: It's hotter than it's ever been hundred

47:15

as a whole. Like when rising Tide lifts

47:17

all ships? Yes, what do you think it

47:19

is that's made wrestling so hot right now.

47:22

I. Guess I think it's cool to be a

47:24

wrestling fan against? Yep, yes, I think. Ah,

47:28

The options. The. Talent.

47:32

I mean, there's more talent now. Jesus

47:34

Christ it is safe is

47:37

wild. You look at every

47:39

like. Company. Out there.

47:41

Yeah, there's talent. They are

47:44

everywhere. Arm. Has

47:46

deep it's very it's there's wrestling

47:48

on every day of the week.

47:50

Yeah. Like. That's insane

47:53

to me. Ah in its in

47:55

its quality wrestling right every every

47:57

whereas like producing great stuff. And.

48:00

I'm. Also.

48:03

Like you said, the soldier. Is like. Everybody.

48:06

Remembers the attitude era of everybody. remembers

48:08

when wrestling was at his hottest. And.

48:10

They want to relive that. Yeah,

48:12

right. And now we we have

48:14

another Boom. Yeah. There's like a

48:17

resurgence. Yeah, and like. Is

48:19

the since of like a a post

48:21

P G era happening in deputy be

48:23

right now like code is column people

48:25

a holes and like. Little.

48:27

Dick Energy recently on Rod Rocks Drop

48:29

in as bombs am I. See

48:33

attitude era of yeah. So with all that

48:35

said as a singles wrestler now you look

48:37

at the landscape all the roster sister

48:39

in our there's some certain matches the you

48:42

now want to have no you're free agent.

48:45

I'm. Honestly, I

48:47

haven't. Like since I've been

48:49

back. I got back in August. I

48:52

started doing independence september

48:55

October and I've been

48:57

like. Wrestling. Some

48:59

of the hottest like guys right? like Gov.

49:03

Brian. Keith. I'm.

49:06

You. Know Cardona. I'm

49:08

I'm going to wrestle Shelley. I'm

49:11

in. Also like all these

49:13

guys I have really. Pinpointed,

49:16

Like oh I will I want to were

49:18

all Alexander Josh is like. Come. On.

49:20

He's literally one of the best in the

49:23

world right now. Seriously, I'm in has been

49:25

for a long time as I'm so glad

49:27

people are finally starting to realize always getting

49:29

the of respect and appreciation that he's desert

49:32

for a was hundred percent hundred percent. I'm.

49:36

There's. I have a really

49:38

pinpointed exactly like you know I don't.

49:41

I would as a dream matches or whatever.

49:43

As I'm I'm in a groove and in

49:45

the A mode now that I just wanna

49:47

challenge myself against the best. If.

49:50

You're one of the best! That's why I

49:52

want to work with because it's only gonna. Make. Me

49:54

better right? So people are only familiar

49:57

with year was attacked him wrestler. Who's.

50:00

I can tell. You.

50:03

Gotta wait and see. It

50:05

as I I. I

50:08

honestly feel like. That. I

50:10

keep seeing it like the best is yet

50:12

to come like I'm just getting started Like

50:14

us have been wrestling fifteen years and I

50:16

feel like I'm just starting now because I

50:18

it's now Were. Like

50:21

I'm. Sorry to really get it. I'm

50:23

sorry to understand the business. understand

50:25

myself as a performer. I'm.

50:29

Also. Like. I

50:32

say to myself. like when I think back.

50:35

I. Was kind of dealing with addiction for a long

50:37

time. But. It's it. just

50:39

got really bad. Like. The.

50:41

Last year. So right, Arm.

50:45

But. I look back on things and I'm like yo.

50:48

If I was able to accomplish the things

50:50

that I was, I have accomplished. Being.

50:52

Messed up. And

50:55

not. When I honestly

50:57

not one hundred percent. It

51:01

scares me. The

51:03

possibilities of what I'm going to be able

51:06

to accomplish now that I'm like. On

51:09

their like I'm I'm. You.

51:11

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51:14

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51:16

or emotionally. just. In.

51:18

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51:20

am happier than ever. I'm

51:22

healthier than ever on. And

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there something you picked up from working so closely

52:38

with Jericho in the Inner circle? That

52:40

yeah, It is done everything and

52:43

Rosen is there something you picked up from him

52:45

but you know take with you. To the

52:47

matches you have to the work you doing now. I'm.

52:54

Or wouldn't say. The

52:57

matches. I. Think more. Business

52:59

was. In the

53:01

how he conduct business elegant

53:03

brilliance he is the his

53:05

arm. But

53:08

also. He understands the beetle

53:10

five for yourself know version of faces.

53:12

So you have your own, your

53:14

back, In. Order mean and

53:17

dumb. And that's one

53:19

of the things that I've realized early

53:21

on working with him like. In

53:24

size to yours. You know, Com.

53:27

Advocate for yourself. From.

53:31

Him Yet like got it was. It

53:33

was so cool. like getting to work

53:35

with him and have that experience in

53:37

the beginning and stuff. And

53:40

dumb. But.

53:42

Yeah, that's that's the main thing. Like I

53:44

I. I

53:48

learned more from Jericho. Watching

53:50

him. Interact and conduct

53:53

business than I did watching him

53:55

and during nine. Those.

53:57

Or. Something. About the way that he just

53:59

and. Is. He. Just a

54:01

good guy. Yeah and there's a reason he's

54:04

been doing this thirty plus years is figure

54:06

something else. what it is don't have knows

54:08

what he's done and especially at the top

54:10

level right out? Ah, like you said, he's

54:12

done everything. Yeah, I think

54:14

have. Undersell: The fact

54:16

that he also has a band and he

54:18

also has about cast and he also has.

54:21

The. Cruise sees us look, he's a

54:23

t hustler. What? It? What are

54:25

the matches that you guys had in a W.

54:28

That. Sands are always going on when you

54:30

do that match with I'm gonna guess it's the

54:32

box more the luge of rose for what's that?

54:34

What's the match you know was crazy. We've.

54:37

Never resolute your browser only

54:39

wrestling. Ever or that seems

54:41

like I missed opportunity. To

54:44

your allies, things. That

54:46

it's I have the image in

54:48

my mind when you debut there

54:50

in the ring by an automatic right?

54:53

Nothing. Not once or that

54:55

seems like a best offer that's

54:57

getting raises. That's insane to me.

54:59

I. Don't understand but. Not

55:01

my show. So it's it's. the

55:03

box then. Ah, the box. I'm.

55:06

The best friends because we created that

55:09

data you know, parking Lot Brawl which

55:11

like was insane. I'm.

55:14

Str were two ft. I was a lot

55:16

of fun. Ah were buried like. Like

55:18

minded though, I'm. Ducks

55:21

and I. You know, We're

55:23

related lots of the silo. We love Bret Hart.

55:26

Said. The. Yeah.

55:28

But our favorite bread are much. Favorite.

55:31

Him put me on spot. Ah,

55:41

As a few. I loved him And

55:43

Awesome! Yeah, First one. Ah

55:46

Loved. A

55:51

lot of for some reason like I love when he

55:53

worked like big guys. Like. Him and

55:55

Bam Bam. Amazing

55:57

match and Zambians athleticism cylinder.

56:00

Reda in size is a big guy. Oh

56:02

say and how is that? There's like a

56:04

match that I saw one of his Dvds

56:06

that is like. It. Was never tell

56:08

is like a match. He didn't like Spain or

56:10

something. Like. Never televised or anything.

56:13

What? The hell floods this guy.

56:16

Courses matches of Mr. Perfect aus der

56:19

say like doting of the ring, one

56:21

in the summer slam with a means

56:23

and one full dogs like via. Yep

56:26

yeah I went of course yes like

56:28

us at Harvard has a broomstick front

56:30

office and about every buck. City of

56:33

Seattle was so good. Here's

56:35

an underrated one Brenner versus One two,

56:37

three kids. Yes, yes.

56:39

Lox photographer versus Hukou.

56:41

She would give us.

56:45

So you guys connected. I love him. Bret

56:47

Hart. Yes, yes, Ma'am Love him or hate

56:49

him. Bread or it's one of the greatest

56:51

ever. No. No denying and

56:53

I get that in the nineties your breath guy

56:55

who are showing idea I can understand that. appreciate

56:57

that out yet. but if you zoom out just

56:59

a little bit and your unbiased about it. How.

57:02

Can you not appreciate press work And guess. I

57:05

mean, he isn't so like. He's.

57:07

My it all right. He's a reason why I got

57:09

into wrestling use the first match of ever seen. As

57:11

a kid. I'm. Also

57:14

like for me, you know what

57:16

I do in the realism and

57:18

authenticity that I that I bring.

57:20

Are you know I don't? I don't consider

57:23

myself playing a gimmick or a cow. Are

57:25

me right? and I and. Brett

57:27

was the one for me that inspired that. Right

57:29

when you look at Brett he talks about his

57:31

family, talks about his morals. He talks about where

57:33

you from. Ah, And

57:35

he talks about be in the best. Rate.

57:38

And and that always resonated with me

57:40

like I always gravitated towards Brecht as

57:42

as a kid I was never into

57:44

like. The. Over the top comic

57:46

book characters like whole get a Warrior and

57:48

stuff. I. Saw

57:50

someone that spoke about real life stuff.

57:53

You. Know and that's what. like. He.

57:56

Hooked me. Is. Your character works

57:58

almost like an actor. It's

58:00

almost like it's almost cinematic. Yeah, yes,

58:02

In that's he feels like since

58:04

the them in is very thin

58:07

via via between where you as

58:09

a real person begins and at

58:11

isn't and I are. Because.

58:13

I channel a lot of my my. Personal.

58:17

Experiences and to what I do like

58:19

have always done that like guy I'm.

58:23

Every time I I I'm standing behind the

58:25

curtain. I just think of everything that I've

58:27

been through to get to where I'm at. Every

58:29

time. And. That's that's work.

58:32

Ah, Has allowed me to. Bring.

58:34

Up A certain titles like

58:37

Intensity In and. Everything

58:39

to what I do. Like. Even

58:41

now like in my bag I are

58:43

I still carry around the the. The.

58:47

Bracelet say that they put on you

58:49

and rehab. And

58:53

I carry those around with me as a

58:55

reminder. Well everywhere there ago. Is. It

58:57

reminder of. Where. You came from

58:59

where I came from the you don't want to

59:01

go buy a new what. I. Could

59:03

have lost. Now.

59:06

I feel like the world's your oyster. Not one

59:08

hundred percent. You've got nothing but opportunities in front

59:10

of hundred percent. I. Have

59:12

thank you so much for just being as

59:14

open as you! Been up here today and.

59:17

We talked about doing this over zooms. It

59:19

wouldn't have been the same, No, not at

59:21

all. And and again, like I told you,

59:24

I rarely do these like interviews and stuff

59:26

are really don't know. I'm very like. I

59:28

am private. was a lot of things like I

59:30

may open up on social media here and there

59:33

and stuff but like. When. It comes to

59:35

sitting down and doing these things are front of a camera

59:37

like. Have always liked. Stood.

59:39

Back from allows things but. If

59:42

we're going to see a Saudi you hear

59:44

that they've never seen before. Yeah yeah. Euro

59:46

A Real Humans? Yeah yeah yeah. Yeah.

59:49

And and and thank you know thanks for

59:51

being. As. Open as you

59:53

have been and I'm sure this will

59:55

resonate with you. I and every interview

59:57

with gratitude. I wake up every day.

59:59

Sale! Three things I'm grateful for. The.

1:00:01

Much as such, like a north in

1:00:04

my life isn't What are three things

1:00:06

that you're grateful for. Grateful for God.

1:00:08

I'm grateful for my family. I'm.

1:00:37

I'm. Grateful for the the the strength

1:00:39

that I am. I.

1:00:41

Still have despite everything that I've been through.

1:00:50

The. Wasn't for my family of by would not

1:00:52

be you. Ungrateful.

1:00:55

My. Daughter. Her. Mother.

1:00:58

My grandmother, My mom, You.

1:01:00

Know my aunt's Mongols it is.

1:01:02

Everybody you know the of the

1:01:04

earth support know. That's

1:01:07

why, Like you know, addiction. Runs.

1:01:10

In my family, you know my dad

1:01:12

was an alcoholic. I'm my grandmother last

1:01:14

two of her brothers to alcoholism. I'm.

1:01:17

So this disease is you know and and

1:01:20

they tell you is hereditary right? This is

1:01:22

something that I was so. I

1:01:24

guess born was. I'm. So.

1:01:27

When I was going to my saying it was like. I.

1:01:29

Was so ashamed because I know what my

1:01:31

family's been through. When. It comes

1:01:34

to stuff. In

1:01:36

the sack data they never turn their

1:01:38

back on me. Wear

1:01:41

glad you for him at. Home

1:01:52

there was a conversation What

1:01:55

a conversation And men the

1:01:57

future is is so. Right

1:02:00

for my Clinton when he said like

1:02:02

look up accomplish all of these things

1:02:04

in my life so far Wow! Dealing

1:02:06

with all of this stuff was possible

1:02:08

for me. Now know that I figured

1:02:10

everything out So mean I can't wait

1:02:12

to see what's next for him. Zappa

1:02:14

screenshot and Haggas let us know you

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will as soon as as months know

1:02:18

what stood out for you the most

1:02:20

here. He's. At Santana.

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Underscore Proud I'm at Chris

1:02:25

Families. And I saw

1:02:27

this quote on social media. I shared it on my

1:02:29

Instagram story, but. Smith. So

1:02:31

powerful. People. Pray for the

1:02:33

case. Then. The universe gives them

1:02:35

the batter oil. I sing a pan

1:02:37

and oven and they get frustrated and

1:02:40

leave the kitchen. Let that sink

1:02:42

in. Sometimes. You have

1:02:44

everything right in front of you. But.

1:02:47

How bad? Do. You want it? That's

1:02:50

the whole quote. right? There man that's

1:02:52

so good. All these quotes by the way,

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all the ones that we say here they're

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