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Hi, I'm Sylvia Moss and this is Insight, a presentation of iHeartMedia or

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we really do care about our local communities and all our listeners who live here.

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Hosting this program for so many years, I can honestly tell you that

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nothing makes me happier than one of previous guest returns with some truly exciting news.

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And what makes today's returning guests especially important to me is that their organization

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deals with the views and neglected children. As a regular listener, you know

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how I feel about protecting our kids with us. Are Will Foster. Will

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is the executive director of Dauphin County KASA, which stands for Court Appointed Children's

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Advocates and local attorney and author Heather paternal And there's a whole lot more to

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have their story, and you'll find about that in a little bit. We're

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going to share the great news you have in a second. Okay, well,

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but first of all, for anybody who doesn't know what KASA is,

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could you basically explain what you do? Yeah, Core reporta special Advocates.

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We are a program that recruits trains and supervisors volunteers from the community to go

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into court appointed by a judge to advocate for a child's best interests. Okay,

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Heather, you're part of a big celebration they're having in a couple of

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weeks. But what you do is something I thought about doing years ago,

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and my son said to you, Mom, forget it. You'll be balling

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all the time. I don't want to deal with that. You'll be taking

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these kids home. But you're the attorney that represents the over three hundred children

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in Dauphin County who are taken from their home because they're abused. Right, you represent them in the courts. Correct. I did that for ten years.

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I just recently took a job with the Dolphin County Court system. But

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up until last month, yes, I was what's called a guardian ATLIGHTEM,

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which is a court appointed best interests attorney, meaning that it is my job

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from the moment the child, or was my job, I should say,

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from the moment the child came into care and had their first proceeding before Dolphin

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County Children News Services. My job was to represent them and explain the proceedings

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to them in a way that they can understand and advocate and make recommendations for

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their best interests. You know, Will and I were just talking about this

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off Mike, that people like you have three children of your own, You're

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involved in so much stuff, and yet you take on something You took on

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something like that having three kids of your own and team about these children that

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you had to deal with every day. How do you handle that? That

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is so hard? Well, I think, like any one of us,

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I'm always hanging on by a thread. I mean, we all have a

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letoing in our lives. But I've always explained it to people when they ask

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me how I do it. Yeah, you know, it's just something I

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could handle. I could never be a doctor. Bones just they make me

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nauseous. I couldn't do it. But handling, you know, hearing these

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stories and what's going on in some of these children's lives, and some of

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them are very very harrowing. Yes, I just don't think about it.

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I'm able to sort of compartmentalize it and look at the chessboard and know what

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move needs to be made with the recept respective players and just do what I

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kind of advocate. It was just something I was drawn to. Well, this is pretty much a two part question. How do you find out about

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these kids? Where did they come from, and could you give some examples

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so people understand how serious this is as far as the experiences these kids go

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through. Sure, a lot of the kids that come into the purview of

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the court system, they do so via mandated reporter. So maybe there was

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something that happened at school, or there was something going on in their lives

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where that referral is made over to Children and Youth services, they'll investigate if

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there is enough going on, if there's enough turmoil, or you know, something going on in the children's lives that's maybe not has nothing to do with

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the children. Perhaps a parent goes away to prison, parents are under their

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own mental health concerns, or there's a drug addiction or some sort of a

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substance abuse addiction, or maybe there's just even parent child conflict and home.

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There's a variety of reasons of why the court can become involved with these children,

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and that's how you know, that's how we get involved. Sometimes the

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court comes in and they don't need to be involved. They sort of assess

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the situation. They can get a service in place, and they can close

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out, and they can make sure that the children are able to reunify safely.

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I'm sorry, go ahead. And then other times we need to implement

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a cocktail of services. That sounds weird to say it, but there are

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different services that can fit every specific family's need. How old are the kids

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that come to the system zero to eighteen, and then at the age of

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eighteen they have the opportion of then choosing whether or not they want to remain

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in care until they turn twenty one? Do a lot of the kids go

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back to their parents? That's the goal. I mean, the goal is

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always really, how can you send them back to the parents when if there's

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an issue with the parents, what's going wrong with the parents right? Well,

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and that's why we get the services involved. Maybe someone needs to get a psychological evaluation and we can you know, base services on the recommendations from

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that. Sometimes people just you know, sometimes they might be have substance abuse

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issues and they've fallen off the wagon, and then we can get those services

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involved and they're back on track. Obviously, there's never a guarantee in any

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home, you know that everything's true. You never want to be Okay,

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look at this big, beautiful home, you think it's you know, they're

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so lucky to have and then when you find out, Yeah, and it

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does. It crosses across I mean, it goes across all economic absolutely,

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every family has its own degree of dysfunction. You know. Sometimes the joke

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is that maybe money can hide it a little bit more. But no,

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there you see all sorts of dynamics and individuals of varying you know, ethnicities

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and incomes that come into you know, the cys realm. Well, it's

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just like domestic violence. You think, they say, what is it?

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The highest number as far as abusers are doctors and ministers and police officers,

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and you think those are the pillars of the community. And when you find

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out what's going on. I mean and then but typically what we think are

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people that are low income that you know, and that's not true. No,

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that's not And I think that's real important to note. Do the kids

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usually is there a typical time when the kids stay either of you guys,

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when these kids come to the system, is there like can you hold them

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for how long? And they do go to foster care? Rite it depends.

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There are various there's sort of a spectrum of placements. You know.

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Obviously the more intense cases. Sometimes we need to send a child if they're

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old enough to a residential treatment facility. That's a more restrictive setting. The

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goal anytime a child comes into care is to put them in the least restrictive

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setting possible. So that could mean staying in their home with mom and dad,

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just with court ordered protective services, so meaning somebody's constantly coming in to

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check on them just to make sure that everything's okay. The next less restrictive

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means might be with a family member. So maybe there's a community member,

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maybe there's an aunt, there's an uncle, there's a grandparent, and we

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get to keep that child in that environment that they know. Then we're moving

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on to If we can't do that, then we're looking into foster care.

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So there could be some sort of replacement. Maybe it's kinship foster care.

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Maybe it's a family member who just gets licensed, but it could be a

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formal foster care placement with a stranger. And then if we can't do that

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and the child's older, perhaps we're looking at a group home. So there

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are various levels of care for children, And as far as you ask about

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the placement time, I mean that really depends on the families. And you

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know you're talking about people. And I have to mention Bill Horning, who

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had didn't think they could have children, ended up having children, ending up

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with twenty five kids over the year. They took on a foster care and

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adopted one. And to me, Bill Horning is I can't say enough wonderful

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things about him. He's incredible. He and his wife are just blews me

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away. And I also want to mention Will this was pretty tough. It

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took a long time to get Cassa into Dauphin County. Can you tell us

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about the efforts of that wonderful woman who's worked so hard to get it going.

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Yeah, So, as legend has it, our wonderful board President Judge

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Sarah Telly was approached in two thousand and nine by a couple of volunteers that

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were from Douphin County and were volunteering in Cumberland County for their cost of program.

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And once got a hold of that concept, she's like, I will

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do whether I become a judge or not, I will do whatever I can

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to make this happen. And you know, through her years of experience and

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then her appointment to judge ship, she was able to be heard in the

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President Judge Lewis at the time and former President Judge Cherry signed off on this

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program and they were able to send it off to National KASA, which then

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gave us their blessing to start. And now we have a program and it's

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doing so well right now. And there aren't that many castes in Pennsylvania,

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and they a lot of them share services, don't they. Yeah, So

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in Pennsylvania there are twenty one KASA programs. We separate by a county,

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serving twenty eight counties, right, okay, and they're sixty seven counties,

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yep. So we need to get this in other counties. How about it.

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Let me ask you this too. As far as Laurie, she's been

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remarkable. Your focus other than getting and helping and support these children is you

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need your most important thing that you need are the causes the court appointed special

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advocates. And the funny part about it is I always thought that the best

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people to do this would be people who were older, who had life experience,

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and you have a lot of those. But and this is awesome,

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you recently in February picked up ten more who does that. That's amazing,

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that's wonderful, wonderful news. But two parts about that. The first part

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is, of course, what the causes responsibilities are, and the second part

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is what is needed by the I mean, how do you become a CAUSA.

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Yeah. The first thing I can say about that is the volunteers that

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we have. Wow, they are incredible. The last class I keep getting

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commended the caliber of community volunteers coming into this are It's just exponential. We

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just the swearing and we have an ICU nurse, We have a former foster

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mother who has experienced that side of the system and she brings a wealth of

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experience of stories at a pastor. Yeah, I mean, we have an

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incredible group of people that we just swore and already have cases, which is

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kind of crazy how fast things are moving. But you don't have to be

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an older person. No, you're even working it out with If you work,

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it can be a cost absolutely. Yeah. So the requirements to be

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a CASA you have to be able to visit your kid at least once a

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month. We expect them to be able to do about ten to fifteen hours

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a month. That's like a national standard working on their case. Well,

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a lot of our volunteers go above and beyond that. They're contacting their kiddos

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at least once a week, sometimes every other week. They go out and

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visit no matter where these children are placed, because they can be placed anywhere in Pennsylvania and beyond. They're going out and visiting them at least at once

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a month and then maybe doing zoom calls. But they did a forty hour

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pre service training, which, by the way, how they thank you again

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for helping with that, and really they've put the work in and they're they're

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ready and ready to go. That's awesome. Okay, So they go through

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training and you have fundraisers because it's not cheap to train these classes. But

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if somebody wants to be what should they consider, Well, they need to

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consider what their own experiences are, okay, because this is a very difficult

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subject to if you're not familiar with it, if you're you don't have the

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right coping skills or boundaries, it could be really difficult. So it's impossible,

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it could be very difficult to put yourself into a child's life who is

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going through a lot of hardship. Yeah, but we always encourage people,

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if they're interested, to come reach out to our office, come in for

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an information session and I will give you the good, the bad, and

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the ugly to make sure that you're fully aware of what's going to be coming.

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You know, I've been told by many local nonprofits one of the toughest

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things. And I don't know what happened. I don't know if it was because of COVID and everybody was locked up inside, but a lot of organizations

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are having a really tough time getting volunteers, and what happened to you is

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like, real, we're the anomaly I think right now, because just in

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the last six months, I think we've sworn in sixteen volunteers and that's pretty

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much double the size of our program. Insanity how well we're doing. But

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it goes to show you how many caring people are actually in this community and

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willing to do this work because it's a really hard subject that our children really

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need that support. Yeah. Yeah, And the people who work, how can they be a part of it? You can. We are very flexible.

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Name of the game is flexibility. So when a volunteer reaches out and

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they're like, oh, I work full time, I'm not sure I can do this. The nice thing is it's really mostly on their time. The

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two things that we can't control are court dates in times because that happens during

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the day. And then the other piece of that is when a cross systems

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meeting, when we bring all of the professional supporting the child together, Those

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typically happen during work hours because most of them are professionally working during the day.

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What's the training like? The training UH is forty hours. It covers

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everything from mandated reporting to different subjects like trauma, resiliency, how to build

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that resiliency, substantuse disorder, mental health, poverty. All of the big

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subjects that we deal with are rolled into this very comprehensive package. Are there

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background an Absolutely, We do all the major background checks, fingerprints, the

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Stay Police, background check, Childline, and then in addition to that,

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we are doing National Sex Offender Registry as well. These people that are volunteers,

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they're not social workers, and there is a difference between the social workers

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and the casses. Can you explain that one. Yes, it's really easy

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to blur the line because we are doing a lot of things similarly, we're

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getting a lot of information, but the big difference is that our volunteers are

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looking working one on one or one to a small sibling group, to get

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this information to give it to the social workers so that they can act upon

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it and be able to do the things that the children need. Either of

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you please, and I want you, Heather, if you want to jump in on this too. People who become causes. What impact I'm sure you.

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I mean, your your accountability with you guys is awesome. What's some

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of the things that the kids when they come out? Things that they've changed

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in the kids' lives? Like how what I mean you've got it? If

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you're at homes as an example, if you're a homie here yelling and screaming and drugs and blah blah blah blah, and then all of a sudden you

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have somebody who is there not because they're being paid, but because they want

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to be there. They're given their time because they want to change your life.

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What I guess what I'm asking you or what are some of the changes

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in these children's lives because of the causes. Well, every kid is going

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to be different. Obviously, when you get to the teenagers, they've probably been through this rigam role oh before long, So they're a teenager might be

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thinking, oh great, here comes another person coming into my life to tell me what to do, and there's gonna be some barriers, and I think

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the biggest thing a COSA can do is just keep showing up and showing that

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interest and say, you know, saying, like you said, I'm here because I want to be here, not because anyone told me that I need

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to be here, and I'm here to find out about you. What can you tell me that a lot of these other service providers perhaps aren't seen.

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How can I reach out and make a connection with you, and how can

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I get information that maybe has been overlooked? And because like Will said,

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these causes are usually one on one, you know, it's one COSA to

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one child or one COSA to one sibling group, whereas professionals like the guardians

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at lightem like I was, we would sometimes have sixty to even one hundred

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children on our caseload. So there's no way that we can know what's going

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on any given time in any aspect of a child's life, be it from

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school to after school activities to what's going on in the home life. Where's

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that COSTA can actually take that time and the KASA is part of a team,

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The COSA is part of that caseworking team, the caseworker, the providers,

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the guard analyte, and the judge, the county solicitor. I mean,

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there's a lot of people that go into that team, and for that costa to come in and just be that one person who doesn't have, you

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know, all of the other things going on and the other responsibilities to the

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system can make a huge impact. Well, how does it change some of

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the children's life. I would imagine they probably do better in school because they

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know somebody's in their car no matter what. That to me would be the

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first thing, and they feel better about life and they feel like they can

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do better in school. Does that ever happen? Yeah, I would say

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the big thing is we preach building resiliency in these children. So one of

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the seven seas of resiliency is consistency, and our volunteers tend to provide a

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little bit more consistency because that's their go from home to home. Sometimes caseworkers

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rotate, sometimes guardiant items rotate, And one of our volunteers had everyone on

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this kid's team rotate in a two year timeframe and she was the only one

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that was there, and that really makes a really big difference. Just being

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consistent showing up and just being a support. That's amazing. Also, sometimes

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these kids even get adopted. Don't they like it? Bill Harney he adopted

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one of his costage children. He was saying, I have to pay this

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verse going to college now, you know, But that's wonderful these big hearts

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in Central Pennsylvania. Absolutely, we really do love our team that we bring

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together because the effect, the success stories are the ones that we are reunifying

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the child, they're having a safe, permanent home, and the people that

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take these children in are just beyond words. I know, I don't know

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where it I said, it's divinely inspired a specially, look what's happened to

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you, sixteen volunteers. Nobody does that. I mean it's unheard of.

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Thank God for that, Okay, in order to continue to pay for this

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expensive training. Because if you're with a nonprofit, if you know anything about

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nonprofits, there are grants out there that you can get. But those grants

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are for programming. They're not for the paying somebody to know your staff,

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they're not for anything in the office. They're for nothing. So that's when

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people have to start doing fundraising. But with your organization, there is another

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thing you have to consider to pay for these people that you're going to train.

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It's pretty darn expensive. So once upon a time happened last year,

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has happened again this year. Tell us about it? Well, what is

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once upon a time? Once upon of time? Is this really unique fundraising

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event? And I'm using unique intentionally because I have not seen any other fundraisers

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similar to this where we actually bring in child actors uh to exemplify what to

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act out different ages of the child welfare system. And I'll tell you when

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we had them last I did not expect them to be as amazing as they were. I oh, my gosh, I almost was brought the tears with

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how great they were. I know, I mean, it's like they're not

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actors, it's like you really believe they are part of this this system.

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I was talking to young boy last year and he was one of my I

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said, oh, sweetheart, you're awesome. Where'd you go Central Dolfin Well

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Gradient? And then before you knew it, I thought it was one of my grandson's best buddies. And then I went and told my grandson it was

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really cool. But these kids are as voted as the cost of volunteers.

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They are really into this, and I'm that is great that you're doing that,

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because these kids will spread that stuff to their friends into school, and

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I think that's great. And just to be able to know that there's someone

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else out there that can support them exactly well. And then the cool thing

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this year is we're actually bringing in a jazz trio, Steve Rudolph Jazz Trio.

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Yeah, of course they're going to be performing for us this year as

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well. And we have a signature of cocktail, which is that we did

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and we just I don't even know, we're calling it the Fairytale cocktail.

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I'm not I don't drink alcohol, but from what I understand, it's very

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It is a very beautiful drink, but it is also very very delicious from

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the people that we're helping decide that. So what else is going on,

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Well, you will have a silent auction. The silent auction is a really

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key piece to this for us. The cost of the venue and all that

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stuff, we really make the money on the silent auction. So we have

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a lot of great donations coming through the door, and we even if you're

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not going to be able to make it to the event, the auction will be online, so you can still bid from wherever you are. I know

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my mom in Jersey was like, send me the link when it's live.

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Okay, sure cool, Miss Pennsylvania, Miss how I said, excuse me,

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this woman is a wonderful person, missus Pennsylvania, two thousand and three,

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Susan, because she was in here, she's very involved. Well,

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obviously she's involved with you guys, and her reign is going to last a

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month or more longer. But she's been out promoting how ventnyl drug and alcohol

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abuse. She lost a father and his sister to it, and through that

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she gained custody of her sister's little girl. And now she's sixteen years old

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and she is out to say you can start over again. There's a way

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to get through this. There's support for you out there. This doesn't mean

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that you're going to be an alcoholic or drug addictive for your rest of your

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life. So she's seen right. Yeah, Susan's a great friend of our

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program, and she's graciously agreed, actually was even just graciously excitedly agreed to

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join us for this evening, and we're so happy to have her there because

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she's been such a support and Heather who is this Watchful Owl? The Watchful

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Owl is a book. He's the lead character in a book that was a

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collaborative efforts former judge Sarah Telly her. She reached out to me and she

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said, do you want to sort of create a story here that we can

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tell the story of Kasa? And we had P. D. Murray,

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Paul Murray who was a local artist, and he brought the story to life.

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How do we get a copy of this book? This is beautiful?

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The books are going to be at the auction I mean, I'm sorry, at the once upon a Time event And I'm not sure I think that.

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I think Kasa is talking about if you make a donation over a certain amount,

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you might get a complimentary copy as well. Oh yeah, are you

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selling this anywhere else? I mean I've been imagining I'm letting Will and those

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powers on Amazon. I mean, this is a great lesson learner. Yeah,

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this is a terrific book that actually really exemplifies what it's like for a

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child going through the system without any real support except for maybe one or two

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people. And so the right now we're kind of siding what the best way

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to distribute is but for sure, we want to make sure that this book

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will be available at the event, and Paul Murray has agreed to come and

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sign books. I believe Heather if she's willing to sit down with Paul and

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sign some book as well. We we want to get this out as to

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as many people as we can. I think it's wonderful. Do you guys

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really know the impact you here have here in central Pennsylvania? Do you realize

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that? I'm yeah, I had a cast two casses in two of my

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cases, one successfully closed out with a reunification, one one is a lot

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more, is longer and complex. This child has a lot of different factors

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going into it. But that cost is there on a monthly basis to meet

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this child wherever this child is, and I see it. There's a connection

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there, somebody you trust. So yeah, it's it's amazing. And I

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think what I tell people when I'm I've been a board member since Daulphin County

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COSSA started. The one thing that I am most proud about as far as

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COSTA goes, is, you know, we all have something that's important to

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us. Some people like the Red Cross, some people, you know, like the world Wildlife Federation. This is a truly organic Central Pennsylvania process or

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program. The money that you donate literally goes to lingoson Road to will to

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that organization, and it is invested to better children in our community. Children

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whose origins start in Dolphin County. Now they might be placed elsewhere, but

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this is truly a Dolphin County project. I mean sometimes we worry about whether

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or not the funds that we send to a national organization actually matriculates down.

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You know what is it? Every fifteen cents of every dollar that you might

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give to a national organization actually goes to the to help the cause involved CASA

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Dolphin County CASA, we are great stewards of the money that we receive locally.

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It literally stays within this county. So if you want to make an

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impact on something local that truly makes a difference in the lives of children,

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this is this is the organization to do. And I tell that to anybody

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that we're seeking donations from. You know, your money is gonna stay here

24:51

and it is going to go to a fantastic I've offers wondered, how can

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anybody ever turn to blind blind eye to children, especially children are going through

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the hell that these kids have gone through. I'm so glad you're here.

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Well, let me ask you. You've been in this position. What two years is it? Actually? I think I haven't officially been an executive director

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for a year in May, but you've been working there. I've been here

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for about two years and a lot of that work before. What are you

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proud of stuff? I'm really proud of the program's growth. Yeah, do

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you know me too? I tell people I don't believe what these people are

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doing. If you told me a year ago that I was actually going to

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be able to accomplish my goals of doubling the size of this program, I

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was a little have been optimistic in saying yes, I could do that,

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But to actually see it come to fruition, there's a whole nother program,

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and I'm just I'm still blown away by picking up sixteen volunteers and with such

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a commitment in such a short period of time. If anybody wants to become

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a cost of volunteer, if anybody wants to donate, if anybody wants to

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be a part of your upcoming a program that you're having or your event that

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you're having, what's the best way to get a hold of you. Everyone

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should start their journey on our website www dot DAUPHINCOUNTYCASA dot org. You can

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donate right through the website. You can inquire about becoming a volunteer through the

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website. You can buy tickets to Once Upon a Time on our website.

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That's right. And the great thing is we are always looking for more volunteers.

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My staff and I are already talking about starting a training middle of May,

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maybe beginning a June. So now's the time to do it. That's

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right, and because it is a little bit of a process to get in,

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but we are always looking for people that represent the beautiful mosaic of children

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that we represent. And that's what's in your book to Heather, A beautiful

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mosaic of children and how they get through this. And I'm going to tell

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people they need to buy this book. It's called The Watch for Awl by

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Heather Paternal Thank you. I can't believe how you do what you do.

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Thank you, thank you, Thank the Imana. From the bottom of my heart. Heather will Foster, Executive director of Dauphin County CASA, attorney and

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author Heather Pattern and of course, thank you again to Uncle Bill. I

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call Uncle Bill for what he's done for Cassa. LORI s tell you she's

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a saint. Thank you. Dear Dauphin County. Costa advocates for the hundreds

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of abusing neglected children right here in Dauphin County that ended the foster care every

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single day. Please please please reach out to them and you see how you

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can be a part of changing a child's story. That's the bottom line.

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And don't forget that. You can catch inside on one of our iheartstations this

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weekend or whenever you want. You can listen to it on your favorite podcast.

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Up. I'm Sylvia Moss. This has been insight. Thank you so

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much for listening. See you next week.