Tammy Kaousias is the owner of Kaousias Law and Inner Space Yoga Supplies, a manufacturing business that makes yoga props and meditation cushions. She was also the second owner of Glowing Body Yoga Studio and that’s where Jen and Tammy’s paths intersected. Tammy and Jen reflect on their boss/employee relationship and discuss leadership, group dynamics, and interpenetrating mandalas (or something like that). A long time meditator, Tammy talks about how contemplative practices and yoga were essential to helping her manage the stresses of the legal profession and of caretaking for her elderly parents. Tammy serves on the Knox County Election Commission and she shares the “why” behind her passion for ensuring citizens’ voting rights. Tammy and Jen also discuss toxic positivity, the power of listening, developing a sense of self apart from external factors, balancing leisure time with productivity, and the key ways that Snap ’n Pops can be used as tools of insistence. Learn more and connect at insisterhoodpod.com. Become a Patron and join the conversation! Support Insisterhood at patreon.com/insisterhood.