0:04

Food. Iced food iced you! Excited for

0:06

this! I. Don't I should I

0:08

be exact should be co get so great

0:10

Okay this was in Pennsylvania. It was updated.

0:13

To. Wow. Breaking?

0:15

Yeah. News breaking? News.

0:18

So. There. Was a

0:20

guy. Who. Went

0:23

to the giant supermarket

0:25

in of Exeter Township.

0:27

Okay. And. He tried

0:29

to steal four hundred dollars worth

0:31

of brisket. brisket. Okay, now so

0:33

far this didn't seem very cool

0:35

right now, but brisket is good.

0:38

respects good but aren't really dollars

0:40

dollar. says. Like five brisk?

0:42

It's yes, And he only tried

0:44

to steal him. He didn't even succeed.

0:46

Okay, here's what makes this great. Police.

0:49

Suspect that the same dude

0:52

an attempted to steal three

0:54

hundred and seventy five dollars

0:56

worth of rechargeable toothbrushes. A

1:01

You know, A

1:04

toothbrush? Some. Of those

1:06

times get into your stomach mean they

1:08

are kind of food. Will

1:12

in there certainly food related and

1:14

her i wonder if he tried

1:17

to steal the toothbrushes in anticipation.

1:19

yeah, of stealing the brisket. Okay,

1:22

And then they just got him. They

1:24

stopped him from stealing neither one. So.

1:27

There's two more things that I love

1:29

about this. First of all, these still

1:32

unidentified man so he's still at large.

1:34

Rob to these toothbrushes in the Rite

1:36

Aid parking lot while running away. Ditto

1:38

for the meat. Which. The

1:41

giant supermarket employees were able

1:43

to recover. So. He

1:45

didn't even get very far. I think the

1:47

fact he just dropped him and ran yeah

1:49

is amusing to me. Yeah, he's definitely not

1:51

getting into a few nice prison then as

1:53

now this is too much English. Miraculous guys

1:55

not getting into prison at all because he

1:57

is so far failed to commit any crimes.

2:00

And when a cop says. That.

2:03

This happens a lot. It's. The

2:05

high dollar items, the baby formula,

2:07

the packaged meet the razor's the

2:09

high end cause Metics. Which.

2:12

Makes me wonder if those are

2:14

all like is he listing. Generic

2:17

examples and a half or

2:19

did somebody steals those like

2:21

force five specific thing for

2:23

some nefarious purpose. What? Is

2:25

somebody doing with packaged meet in high

2:27

end cause metics. And. Razors.

2:31

Boy. With you now. Maybe

2:33

they're planning another heist and this is

2:35

like you know how and ocean's Eleven

2:38

so you gotta hi hi hi Stacey

2:40

said then use all the Adam he's

2:42

stolen says for some reason headed toothbrushes.

2:45

He needed breast it, He needed

2:47

razors and I and cosmetics and

2:50

baby formula. Baby formula. Yeah, and

2:52

important. These items combines in some

2:54

way to help and pull off

2:57

a better husband, bigger, highest down

2:59

the line. So and then my

3:01

final favorite thing about this article

3:03

is. You. Know there's links to.

3:06

If you're reading this, you might be interested

3:08

in other stories rates. And one of them

3:10

says. And. I have not clicked on the

3:12

link to There's no way could live up to this hype. Pennsylvania.

3:16

Organ Collector under federal

3:18

investigation over potential fraud.

3:21

And. Her. Oh it's as

3:24

this someone who complex organs.

3:26

Me they use a glorious

3:29

or human organs. Also.

3:31

Is that really the best term? For.

3:33

The guy like yeah, are they talking

3:35

about organ donor organs? You need to

3:37

click on it. Now you need to

3:39

report to us next week. What? This

3:41

actually as big as if it is

3:44

someone who collects organs like music maybe

3:46

don't call them and organ collector and

3:48

maybe called them are high and music

3:50

and desist and musical device And this

3:52

is though. and it's the potential fraud

3:54

that I love Because yeah, without that

3:56

it could just be the name of

3:59

a serial killer. The. Pennsylvania organ

4:01

collectors large again but now a

4:03

he fraudulently collecting or go mans

4:05

you organ collector that's that's a

4:07

good Dmv is that when your

4:09

book sometime I know that M

4:11

Sylvania Organ Collectors yeah he drops

4:13

all his organs and the right

4:15

a parking lot size. thinking about

4:17

brisket. And you know

4:19

I'm friendly about the cool name for the

4:21

sky but then he doesn't deserve it right?

4:24

He does not yet a cool name. You

4:26

drop your brisket in the parking lots and

4:28

run this then or and I can. It's

4:30

give you a cool name. But I did

4:33

wonder this question for are Jewish listeners. To.

4:36

You commonly serve brisket at a

4:38

brisk. Nights

4:41

like someone does that rights.

4:44

Then. You have motorists brisket, Will.

4:46

And brisket is a like. A

4:49

Jewish thing if you prepare a

4:51

pot roast yeah need Jewish style

4:53

is brisk. It really is different

4:55

from like smoked for so catch

4:57

it it affects is a real

4:59

thing. Does the Rabbi bring a

5:02

little bag that is his brisk

5:04

kit. To. Perform the breasts.

5:06

Oh. So for a

5:09

brisk you need your brisk brisket

5:11

and your brisket. Your.

5:13

Breast it, your Brits brisket and

5:15

your Brisk Bridget get Yes! Wow.

5:19

So. Let us know the comment important.

5:21

Okay, so I clicked the link for

5:24

the. That organ collector.

5:26

And. It's a

5:28

podcast that I'm not gonna listen

5:30

to. Okay, but we do have

5:33

a listen to podcasts. A simple

5:35

Wolves what a Low an art

5:37

form and lists and physicists at

5:39

what it's just says is today

5:42

in Pennsylvania. Daily podcasts. Feds, Are

5:44

looking into organ collection groups

5:47

across the country. Over.

5:49

suspicions of fraud so this is

5:51

not yeah limited to pennsylvania and

5:53

that does sound legs like organ

5:55

donor organs and then there's no

5:57

explanation whatsoever and without any segue

5:59

The very next sentence says, Allegheny

6:02

County officials have once again

6:05

sued the United States largest

6:07

coke manufacturer. And

6:09

they did not capitalize coke. Whoops.

6:14

So this is not Coca-Cola.

6:17

They're suing like Pablo.

6:20

No, no, no, you also call

6:22

one of the English. Oh coke

6:24

like for for alloys in metallurgy.

6:28

It might be. Yeah, so it

6:30

could actually be right. I

6:33

mean, this is Pennsylvania. That's the coal

6:35

and coke comes from coal, I believe.

6:37

Could be. And so. Or

6:40

coke is used with coal. Yeah,

6:42

coal-based fuel with high carbon content.

6:44

But it says coke manufacturer, not

6:46

like coke collector.

6:48

Well, I mean you have to, I think

6:50

you have to manufacture coke. I don't think it comes

6:53

out as, it comes out as coal and you turn

6:55

it into. You turn it into coke? Yeah. That's

6:57

why it's so delicious. Am I right

6:59

on that little doll? You have to

7:01

make coke out of coal or maybe

7:04

I'm wrong. I'm not from West Virginia

7:06

and that area where a lot of

7:08

coal mining happens. Okay, so the next

7:10

sentence says, we all got a

7:12

taste of spring this week. And the final

7:14

sentence is a World War II vet turns

7:16

103. So

7:18

this is just a rollercoaster of

7:21

emotions in Pennsylvania this week. So

7:24

coke can be made by heating

7:26

coal or oil in the absence

7:28

of air. So mainly, but it

7:30

can also naturally formed by geological

7:32

processes. Okay. Either way. For those

7:34

unfamiliar, the voice you just heard

7:36

was unpaid intern Donald. Paid unpaid

7:38

intern. His title is unpaid intern,

7:40

but we do pay him. I'm

7:43

going to make that very clear because it is my company.

7:45

I know and I will never

7:48

get tired of making you

7:50

clarify that. Anyway, what

7:52

have you got going on in your life

7:54

this March? Well, we don't know yet. How

7:58

Are crowdfunding campaigns going? We

8:00

have to record a whole new of these

8:02

intentionally blanks. Yeah, because during March I'll be

8:04

doing live streams you get the month off

8:06

from at least acting. Ah, Which is good

8:08

because I'm going to be at a town

8:10

next week for today's March. First. We're.

8:12

Recording this knowing that we're launching

8:15

a crowd funding thing on Tuesday

8:17

on Tuesday March Fifth, but this

8:20

will air. Unpaid Intern:

8:22

Donald. You know when this will air

8:24

from our backlog? Probably sometime in May.

8:26

Comments: You can tell me: May May,

8:28

May or April. Can we swapped this

8:31

one into Marx some time? Probably. Yoga:

8:33

I fled walk this one in our

8:35

hearts. Are we had the

8:37

race to get a bunch done before March?

8:39

Yeah we did it on on Mart. Lessig

8:41

will have one day we got all the

8:44

way up to me looking at and I'll

8:46

probably end up middle or end of April

8:48

if I'm looking at when I die out

8:50

on my back. I mean we are going

8:52

to see to eat you also which knocks

8:54

out one of the day so they could

8:56

have recorded were being extra of this one's

8:58

to my understanding our guess my earlier. So

9:00

anyway the point is by the time you

9:02

all here this we will either be partway

9:04

through or all the way done with yes

9:07

this. Campaign. Yep and

9:09

so we can talk about it all we

9:11

want. With. Pure to insects

9:13

for professor conjecture. But we know what

9:15

it is we're launching. We know it

9:17

is, we're launching And so we can

9:19

talk about secret Project Five which I

9:22

just kind of. Approved the launch

9:24

video on. The video of

9:26

me and comfortably staring at the camera for thirty

9:28

seconds. Another. One

9:30

of my patented ideas for that swarthy

9:32

they do your ideas. When I suggested

9:35

you climb the Empire State Building clutching

9:37

the book to your chest, they didn't

9:39

go for that. Well.

9:41

Year ideas are stupid.

9:45

Sir As I said I have

9:48

another line at us and know

9:50

I can prove that wrong because

9:52

last week I pitched to Donald

9:54

and Taylor. Ah a video where

9:56

you and I are sitting here

9:58

eating dinner and. You go a

10:01

like something like your stomach hurts and

10:03

then I lay you down on the

10:05

table and then secret project five first

10:07

set of your chest and skaters across

10:09

the floor. And. Then I say

10:12

oh no, not again. yeah see

10:14

them wouldn't be so good. Idea

10:17

I have really why they don't let me write. A

10:19

new. I mean that one would

10:21

be pretty good. And I have

10:23

a day without already. Good Will do It's yeah,

10:25

I'm. Wait, What? We

10:28

were to pick up up up with Taylor.

10:30

came to be the end of last year

10:32

and said hey we need ideas for the

10:34

final year of Sanderson video and I said

10:36

okay income have some ideas, what have you

10:39

got so far in He said well we

10:41

can a want to do what's in the

10:43

box, what's in the box and then I

10:45

knew from that point on that anything I

10:47

suggested would be at least not as terrible

10:49

as that one. So. And

10:52

still said that that when didn't happen.

10:54

No, yeah, we had to make things.

10:56

went on to do that. but hey

10:58

yeah. another not so what is public

11:00

knowledge about Secret project was a Well,

11:02

there's no way to now because we

11:04

don't know when this is a society.

11:06

We know that they no one exists.

11:08

Okay and they know that it is

11:10

high cause mere connectivity? Yes, Just did

11:12

we heard us discussing that line? Yeah,

11:14

I didn't get to see the video

11:16

I said probably could have. I just

11:18

didn't get up out of my chair.

11:20

Yes, I. Preferred to

11:22

imagine the video and it was mostly

11:24

just. Heavy. Thumps and I'm like

11:27

oh they're doing. The. Scene from

11:29

Mickey's in the Been Stuck In

11:31

Brand and stomping across the floor.

11:34

But. I'd bet that's not what it you

11:36

did make a wisecrack of the like. Can

11:39

we cut costs me or from high cosmic

11:41

conductivity any like. Now that's just a book

11:43

that has why five? yes if we call

11:45

it a high connectivity booked. Yeah, That's.

11:48

A book the gets a great

11:50

signal. Yeah! I also suggested Cosmic

11:52

Tiffany as a. Portmanteau:

11:56

Yes, But. Once

11:58

again dance I did. I. They were

12:00

on your level. Right?

12:03

We have not established brand of

12:05

absurdity her outside of this podcast

12:08

which is nothing but yeah. Gloves.

12:11

Gloves are supposed to say gloves

12:13

are off on this podcast, but

12:15

really, we never put the gloves

12:17

on. Yeah on this podcast. and

12:19

yeah, Going no secret Novel.

12:21

What Happened? Well. I. Need a

12:23

break from thing sometimes? Band. When

12:25

I need a break from things I just

12:28

tennis noodle on something else. People.

12:30

Are going to be like I'm sure

12:32

only one this time us suddenly one

12:35

this time Storm like five is all

12:37

thought of work. Yeah, it is frankly

12:39

a bit of a miracle that this

12:41

manifests in the middle of working on

12:44

store my five and only did because

12:46

I had a little bit of momentum

12:48

on it. From. A number of years

12:50

ago we'll find out what that is once

12:52

we do. Kind of more of the reveals,

12:54

but it's something I had been riding on.

12:57

may be for seven eight years. Yeah.

12:59

I remember hearing bits about it.

13:02

yep, long ago, yet it's also.

13:05

See you! Project Five was the

13:07

first. Brandon. Sanderson

13:09

work that I as.

13:12

Narrative. Guy. Got.

13:14

To read and give editorial feedback

13:17

on? Yep. Because with the exception

13:19

of Sunlit Man which was in

13:21

it's final stages of review, everything

13:23

else had been finished and we

13:25

are just actually to night. finishing

13:28

or reviews are my five? Yep.

13:30

And so secret Project Five was

13:32

the one where I got to

13:34

read the whole thing and say.

13:37

Here's. How I think we should

13:39

change things. Still have units on. I

13:41

haven't on the revisions yet. Ted: smell

13:43

your lifetime light for at the Dorm

13:45

Life Five: I'm only at this writing

13:47

I've done. I'm It's like two thirds.

13:50

Of. This latest revision which isn't the

13:52

last recession So yeah, I wrote

13:54

a bunch of this in Hawaii

13:56

last year. I.

14:00

Took some time and relax. Actually had two

14:02

trips of why last year. one with the

14:04

whole family and then one was just myself

14:06

and Emily and that is. that's where the

14:09

bulk of this was written was. During those

14:11

two trips you ever need to like, take

14:13

a break and work on something else. I

14:16

do know that's. A

14:18

funny question to answer right now

14:20

when the last like two solid

14:23

months have been. Dan.

14:26

Went from depression to severe depression

14:28

yeah, and did nothing of any

14:30

value to anyone. But yes, historically.

14:33

I. Am not the kind of person

14:35

who can stop writing a book mid

14:37

way to go right a different book.

14:40

and now I'm back to it's it

14:42

has to be something that uses a

14:44

different skillset or a different part of

14:46

my brain. Okay, and often that ends

14:48

up being. I. Am good at,

14:50

you know, take a few days off. And.

14:53

I'm gonna go like right a

14:55

role playing game campaign, right right

14:57

out an adventurous net everything and

14:59

do that and then that kind

15:02

of refreshes the creative well and

15:04

I come back to the book.

15:07

It. Depends on the project for me.

15:09

for instance, a shorter projects I would

15:11

probably never leave, even for a couple

15:13

of like a week like I did

15:15

with this one. But storm like five

15:18

any given store. my book is like

15:20

writing for novels. Yes, and it if

15:22

I a containment which I've been able

15:24

to do. Basically. For

15:27

both of those things where I

15:29

finish a major sort of arc

15:31

and then. Ten. Then.

15:35

Work on something else for while and

15:37

then come back. It's like taking a

15:39

break between two novels and a series.

15:42

That actually kind of refreshing. And.

15:44

Helpful in store my books like

15:46

they're so many songs like that that

15:48

are fifty ninety eighty thousand words.

15:50

that's feel like a normal novel it

15:53

to a lot of people. I mean

15:55

the rough draft is storm like five

15:57

was for eighty. Without the

16:00

in our lives will end You write

16:02

them as I understand the same way

16:04

that I've been reading them. which is

16:06

yeah, a single viewpoint. Beginning.

16:08

To end of the book. And then later,

16:10

we're going shuffle them all together up. That's

16:13

what I'm doing right now as shuffling. and

16:15

then that's that actually makes more work. I'd.

16:18

Wish I didn't have to do

16:20

it that way. It's because then

16:22

the revisions are more complicated because

16:24

normally when you're writing a book,

16:27

And you're writing it beginning to end, which

16:29

is how I approach my box. Not everyone

16:31

does. You get a natural instinct for pacing,

16:33

so you break up the scenes in such

16:36

a way. If you're jumping between two viewpoints,

16:38

you'll use the contrast between the viewpoints to

16:40

him help your pacing. Yes, you will skip

16:42

something in one. Keeping it was getting to

16:44

a point that you can skip it and

16:47

then go somewhere else. sick society come back

16:49

and they've done the boring part for instead

16:51

of but sometimes also you won both the

16:53

hits kind of a climactic moment same time

16:56

you can then cut. Back and forth between

16:58

to fight scenes and contrast us and the

17:00

different ways. The ring skewed all kinds of

17:02

things like that, but Storm like books are

17:04

so big. With so many

17:06

characters. That if I

17:08

do that, I have weaker character arcs

17:11

because I'm not immersed in us in

17:13

the character in order to really shepherd

17:15

them along to a druid climax and

17:17

pasting for their own sequence. And so

17:19

for store might have to do one

17:21

of two things. and I've written different

17:23

books and the series and of who

17:25

has a that to be lights are

17:28

it's the first third is a novel

17:30

unto itself. ama do fall character arc

17:32

for this character in that and I'm

17:34

not can to some of these other

17:36

characters very much and I'll. Write that

17:38

all the way through ah with with

17:40

all viewpoints or after the more common

17:42

thing which as or it's riding paladin.

17:45

All. The way from beginning to end and

17:47

now I'm in a right you know down

17:49

are all the way from the indians and

17:51

then shuffle of together in the do a

17:53

lot of position to make sure that pacing

17:56

works. Yeah that pacing. When.

17:58

you are kind of dovetailing Four

18:00

different viewpoints or seven or however many there

18:03

are yeah seems like it would be

18:05

very hard But that's something you and Peter have

18:07

to do not me. Yes it

18:09

is one of those things with epic fantasy and Yeah,

18:13

I have to really watch the

18:15

sprawl of the number of characters

18:17

like George is famously really good

18:19

at this pacing beat between

18:21

jump between characters But he eventually added

18:23

so many characters that it threw off

18:25

the whole pacing for him And he

18:27

had to write entire books without groups

18:29

of characters Otherwise the book wouldn't

18:32

paste like a novel you wouldn't have a beginning

18:34

middle and end yeah Which has its own

18:36

problems where it's like my favorite character isn't

18:38

even in this book sort of problems and

18:41

Robert Jordan had some of that same issue Once

18:44

the character sprawl happens, which is why I

18:46

built the stormlight archive the way I did

18:49

which would be more clear I can

18:51

talk about it more Eventually

18:53

eventually mm-hmm, but no secret

18:55

project 5 is much Shorter

18:59

and more compact yes, that's got

19:01

a handful of I think really

19:03

only two view you ease Yeah,

19:06

two viewpoints is a really good

19:08

like I sometimes Struggle

19:10

with one viewpoint books mm-hmm you'll

19:12

notice even in skyward I have

19:15

the interludes and those so I can jump to some other

19:17

viewpoints now and then so I think

19:19

my only true one viewpoint books are like

19:22

the Reckoners books or

19:25

novellas and things and once

19:27

you've done multi-viewpaint It's

19:30

such a really great tool to do

19:32

some of the things you were talking

19:34

about like I'm gonna jump time Yeah,

19:36

and it's much more graceful if I do

19:39

that by showing you somebody else

19:41

Or I really want you to understand X thing

19:45

and the best way to do that

19:47

is just see it from their point

19:49

of view Yep, especially I think with

19:51

how cinematic We've trained

19:53

our brains for storytelling. Yeah, or you can

19:56

see something from the villain's point of view

19:58

in one scene. It's hard to

20:00

go back and just write a

20:02

single POV. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

20:05

It's such a useful tool, adding that second

20:07

viewpoint. Something

20:09

else I wanted to talk about with this,

20:12

you mentioned high-cosmere connectivity. I worked forever trying

20:14

to figure out how to write that phrase.

20:16

Yeah. Because it had to fit

20:18

in like two or three words on

20:21

the screen. And it had to explain, and

20:23

I'm not sure if people will understand even still

20:26

what we're getting across, because what I really want

20:28

to say is, you know, this

20:30

book isn't intended for first-time cosmere readers.

20:32

Though if you are a first-time cosmere

20:34

reader and you understand that, you'll probably

20:36

have a good time. Mm-hmm. The

20:39

rest of you probably should read a few cosmere

20:41

books before you pick this one up, then you

20:43

will really enjoy it better. Yeah. That's

20:45

what I wanted to write. That's not three words.

20:47

No. It's hard to get that

20:50

across because you run the risk of saying, this

20:52

book is not for you. Right. To

20:54

people who would absolutely still enjoy it. Yeah.

20:58

If they know they're jumping into kind of

21:00

a future era where there's a little bit

21:02

more, well, a lot more cosmere connectivity, but

21:04

the story reads just fine on its own.

21:06

There are plenty of people who could read

21:08

this book, not know anything, and enjoy it

21:10

quite a bit. It doesn't require

21:12

you to have read other books to understand, but...

21:16

I'm just imagining now that we're going

21:18

to start putting on your books... Yeah.

21:21

...like the complexity level, like you see on a board

21:23

game. Yeah, that's right. So this

21:25

is a two-dot book instead of just

21:27

a one-dot book. Maybe

21:29

a three-dot, but yeah.

21:33

Yeah. It really is kind

21:35

of like that. And

21:38

some people don't like a lot of cosmere

21:40

connections, and this one does have them. Yeah.

21:43

It's got characters from

21:45

multiple different planets, some you've seen, some you

21:48

haven't. And it's taking

21:50

place kind of dealing with future

21:52

era sort of stuff. I

21:55

think most readers will enjoy it,

21:57

but I do want you to be aware

21:59

of it. that right there are some people

22:01

are just like I just want to read

22:03

Stormlight archive and I don't want to worry

22:06

about the larger mess with all this mess

22:08

and this is probably not something

22:10

they would like right

22:12

so but yeah like I

22:14

think one

22:17

of the things as I was reading it

22:19

because I was keeping this idea in mind

22:21

of how accessible is it to new readers

22:23

and in a lot of ways

22:26

I think imagine

22:28

Lord of the Rings except it starts

22:31

after they've already left the Shire yeah

22:33

and so you don't actually get to

22:35

see the homeland of anyone in the

22:37

fellowship but you hear about their homeland

22:39

and they brag about their homeland to

22:42

each other that still works

22:44

it does it's very guardians of

22:46

the galaxy other than earth you

22:48

don't really see anyone's homeworld but

22:51

you can accept okay these are all the adventurers

22:53

that have come together to do the thing I

22:56

have had readers I don't know

22:58

how many but I've seen it multiple

23:00

times you know insert the if I

23:02

had a dime for every time who

23:04

have started my books on

23:07

the wax and wane series first thing of mine they

23:09

ever read which is era

23:11

two of Mistborn which when I was writing

23:14

them I never imagined anyone

23:16

ever picking Aloe of Law

23:18

first and then reading that

23:21

series and they said they

23:23

loved it because it's like

23:25

hey it's like there's this fully realized

23:27

religion and history to this

23:29

world it feels so real so so much

23:32

has happened and whatnot because of

23:34

course did yeah there's an entire trilogy before

23:36

trilogy so yeah

23:39

I think especially in fantasy

23:41

readers are much better

23:44

at keeping their heads above

23:46

water then maybe we

23:48

sometimes give them credit for did you ever

23:50

do that when you were a younger

23:53

reader back before we had the internet to

23:55

tell us what each book in

23:57

a series was did you ever pick one up

23:59

start reading and only later

24:01

on figure out that this was book

24:03

three or something. I actually did that

24:05

just a few years ago. I went

24:07

to Gen Con and I

24:09

got a Megan O'Keefe book, City

24:12

of Something, and I

24:15

read about half of it until

24:17

I realized, oh okay,

24:21

there's some context that I

24:23

don't have and I realized it was the

24:25

second in her series and

24:28

I still enjoyed it. I still thought it was

24:30

great. I did stop at that

24:32

point to go back and read the first one

24:34

first, but yeah,

24:36

hadn't really felt lost, just intrigued

24:40

by all this stuff that it hadn't

24:42

explained to me yet. That

24:44

happened to me a number of times and

24:47

I got really annoyed by it when

24:50

I was younger because it usually was

24:52

a book that didn't make it clear

24:54

in the cover material that it was

24:56

a second or third book. I always

24:59

used to think, why on earth would

25:02

they make this so unclear? Is the

25:04

designer just bad? Then I

25:06

realized science fiction and fantasy go

25:08

through waves where the

25:10

marketing sometimes thinks that a

25:13

series is a selling point

25:16

and sometimes thinks that readers have serious

25:18

fatigue and tries to hide the fact

25:20

that it's a series. Sometimes

25:22

you will get book series that come

25:24

out where they'll take the numbers off

25:26

the spines. Try to get people to

25:29

not be intimidated by how many books there are

25:31

in the series and things like that. Once I

25:33

found out, I'm like, this is just ridiculous. What

25:35

do you think you're gonna do? You think you're

25:37

gonna trick people into buying the new one when

25:40

it comes out and then I guess do what you

25:42

did. They're like, oh I've already bought book nine so

25:44

I guess I have to read books one through eight.

25:46

Which sometimes happens, but not

25:49

very often. This case was weird

25:51

because it was a swag bag

25:53

book at GenCon and so

25:55

it was free to new

25:57

readers. Book two of a. The

26:00

read that you are unfamiliar with

26:02

which I. Can't. Go back and

26:04

forth because on one hand, I

26:07

actually did go read the first one. Yeah, But

26:09

on the other hand, how many people do are

26:11

you doing a disservice to the author? Into the

26:13

readers. I don't have. To. I

26:15

guess in that whole publicity thing with

26:17

Box where there's a lot of smart

26:19

people who know how to do their

26:21

job, but they often get promoted out

26:23

of books League has books don't pay

26:25

enough for publicity. it's and you're not

26:27

in your step mom was in that

26:29

yeah where you can earn much better

26:31

money and other publicity fields than Box

26:33

and sell lot of people are like

26:35

starters. Doesn't say that every produces Disney.

26:38

There's some really great on that I've

26:40

known for a long term, but you

26:42

end up with a lot of this

26:44

and so the publicists don't. Learn. The.

26:46

Ins and Outs they have budget. I'd guess

26:48

what happens? they have budget for that second

26:50

book published A villain. They're like, let's put

26:52

it this way back where the smart thing

26:54

to do would be to say to publicize

26:56

the second book we will put copies of

26:59

the first book in the slag bags to

27:01

get people hooked on the series. But. He.

27:03

Had l you don't have budget for the

27:05

first book right now. Yeah, so you have

27:07

to go talk to way through why we

27:10

should do it this way. Nan's yeah, it's

27:12

difficult to do that kind of thing. When.

27:14

I find a new book that looks

27:16

interesting. The first thing I do will

27:19

check inside the cover. On

27:21

the spine if there's a number or inside

27:23

the front cover where it'll say other books

27:25

in this series or other books by who's

27:28

This. And. Sometimes even that

27:30

biotic is purposefully obfuscated for reasons you've

27:32

discussed Pratchett, You have to go to

27:34

the fans to figure out where to

27:37

start. Geico to Wikipedia or a fan

27:39

sites. It's ridiculous. and if

27:41

it's something like Kazmir where it's

27:44

different series but they're connected, there's

27:46

plenty of authors that do this.

27:48

We Madison has this Stephen King,

27:50

even Kings and I got it

27:52

from. Michael. moore cock and isaac

27:55

asimov so it goes way back yeah

27:57

where you have to see will okay

27:59

what's the chronological reading order,

28:01

what is the suggested reading order,

28:03

which books are considered good entry

28:05

points to the series. It

28:08

can get very complex. It can.

28:11

You know what I think we should do? I think

28:13

we should do an episode all on publicity for books.

28:16

Because it is a weird world. The great

28:18

thing about an episode like that is that

28:20

everything we say in it will be wrong

28:22

by the time it airs. How's

28:25

that Ben?