0:00

So, hot take. Yes.

0:06

I like puppets from space. You

0:10

can't throw that at me out of nowhere

0:13

and expect me to be able to handle it

0:15

emotionally. Do you dislike muppets from space like everyone

0:17

else? Of course I dislike muppets in space. It's

0:19

terrible. I like it. It's so

0:21

bad. It's so bad. Here's

0:23

the thing. Mm-hmm. It is

0:26

the last of what I consider

0:29

pure Muppet Muppet movies. Okay. The

0:32

modern stuff, kind of the like...

0:34

The reboot? The reboot. Mm-hmm.

0:37

The first one was enjoyable. The second one was just awful. Oh,

0:39

it wasn't. It was great.

0:41

But it started wrong. I got a hobby horse

0:44

here. Okay. We've got something.

0:46

I actually think the second Muppet reboot, well

0:48

not up to the caliber of some of

0:50

the old ones, right? Mm-hmm. Like

0:52

it's no great Muppet caper. Yeah. It's

0:54

a legit good Muppet movie. But

0:58

here's my thing. Maybe it's not for you. It

1:00

took the whole movie to get me

1:02

back after the opener.

1:05

We've talked about this before. It's one of

1:07

the early examples of what I call the

1:09

Newt Principle. Okay. Which I think I've mentioned

1:12

before, so I won't go into too much

1:14

depth. But Aliens, the movie, is all about

1:16

Ripley saving Newt

1:19

and the dude, right? It's like Ripley

1:21

becoming a protector as the

1:23

expert of these aliens and stepping into

1:25

the role of fighting for people. This

1:28

is like what she spends the whole

1:30

movie doing. It's her arc and she

1:32

accomplishes it by saving Newt. Alien

1:36

3 starts with Newt having died

1:38

in between movies off screen. And

1:41

when you do something like that,

1:43

you undermine your previous story so

1:45

much that then you have

1:47

to play catch up the rest of the

1:49

way. And this is one of your examples.

1:51

The Muppets 2 of the most

1:53

wanted, it undermined

1:55

all the emotional investment we'd given to

1:57

the first movie by making

2:00

Yes, you remember the opening scenes. they

2:02

pretend that the to human characters and

2:04

the previous once tried remember the actors

2:07

man says something and gaps who pretends

2:09

they were actors. In. A

2:11

Muppet thing and none of their emotional journey

2:13

happens. And.

2:15

Just checks out rights. I jam eat

2:18

it leads. checked out. But

2:20

the actual story of like

2:22

a fake Kermit imitating permits

2:24

poorly, and the jokes of

2:26

that and real Kermit being

2:28

in a Goulard. Is

2:30

actually really funny. He. Works any

2:33

classic muppet manner. Ah,

2:35

but. In the songs are

2:37

actually good. Tina Fey is great in

2:39

it's like everything about that movie should

2:41

work. If it didn't take us out

2:43

and ruin it in the opening by

2:45

like singing we're going to do as

2:48

yes, these characters didn't matter. This will

2:50

be bigger and better and everyone's just

2:52

checked out like we had a really

2:54

emotional journey with these two new characters.

2:56

you know, the human character and his

2:58

muppets? Rather? Yeah, and now that's meaningless

3:00

and I think it's new principal like

3:02

I have. You watched it again and

3:04

pretended you didn't have any emotional investment.

3:06

In those you will seriously enjoy. So what

3:09

you're saying is I have to actually finish

3:11

it this time. Yeah, because I checked out

3:13

after I think I gave it forty forty

3:15

five minutes. Collated. hated it so much. Yeah,

3:18

if you skip the opening and pretenses that

3:20

classic and up at my be. Like

3:22

it's a good premise? Let's replace

3:24

Kermit with. A fake permit and

3:26

it's really obviously a vague term

3:28

it, but no one else can

3:31

tell. Nice. funny. It's just it's

3:33

classic Muppets highjinks. And let's put.

3:35

Real. Kermit in a Russian Goulard.

3:38

And. Have him figure out

3:41

how to escape. Turns it's. A.

3:43

Recent Goulard run by Tina Fey. Guess

3:45

which should work? I am so disappointed

3:47

to hate that movie as much as

3:49

I did up. I think it's all

3:51

in set up. That's really what I

3:54

would hear. pitch for Muppets and Space

3:56

Then. i hadn't seen them a muppet

3:58

movie in a while and i think guns It was

4:00

funny and I think Pepe the

4:02

prawn is funny and I saw it

4:04

at 2 a.m. With my

4:06

friends it wasn't 2 a.m. It was like

4:08

midnight last showing at the theater and

4:11

we just laughed uproariously the entire time

4:13

Hmm and every time I see that movie

4:16

now, I remember that wonderful experience Yeah, the part

4:18

of my problem with it is a I don't

4:20

think Pepe the prawn is funny Okay, if you

4:22

don't like Pepe the prom then that movie. Yeah,

4:24

that movie's right off the bat. Hey, it's our

4:27

new character He's really funny. Do you like him?

4:29

Yeah, I don't think he is funny.

4:31

I'm astonished when other people think he's

4:34

funny. Okay. Also I thought

4:36

that As much

4:38

as I love gonzo, it's ruined

4:40

gonzo. It didn't let him

4:42

be chaotic and weird it Tried

4:46

to come up with reasons

4:48

why his chaotic weirdness

4:50

was actually very normal and meaningful It

4:53

tried to give him an emotional arc. Yeah, it took

4:56

a lot of his flavor and

4:58

texture away And kind

5:00

of flattened him. Yeah of

5:02

characterization. I'm okay with that to

5:05

an extent because I like how

5:09

Like the muppet movies have

5:12

done that for all the other

5:14

characters, right the muppet show. They're

5:16

just Yeah, they

5:19

don't really have characters in the muppet

5:21

show. They just are Archetypes

5:23

there's archetypes and they're they're everyone's

5:25

chaos and Kermit keeps them together

5:28

And the first muppet movie is

5:30

like no, no, we're gonna delve

5:32

into backstory and give actual characters

5:34

to You know to

5:36

Kermit and to Fauzi And

5:39

then as the movies continue as we

5:41

do muppets take manhattan and the great

5:43

muppet caper We do that more and

5:46

more and so when we get to

5:48

muppets from space Gonzo's kind of been

5:50

left out of this and he's always

5:53

wanted Right the

5:56

movie gonzo has kind of

5:58

always wanted this without stating

6:01

it, TV Gonzo, no. But movie

6:03

Gonzo, it's like everyone's getting depth

6:05

and backstory and characterization and they're

6:08

becoming different people, well,

6:10

Muppets, through the course of

6:12

the movies where you're getting these emotional moments,

6:15

which you don't really get in the show.

6:17

It's not about connecting to

6:19

permits, you know, big

6:21

dreams and friendship and all of this

6:23

stuff and the movies are. And so

6:26

I'm okay with it, right? I'm okay

6:28

with jumping into that and then alternating,

6:30

hopefully, we didn't get any more, but

6:33

with things like Muppet, Treasure Island and

6:36

Muppet Christmas Carol, where it's like, now the

6:38

Muppets are actors in doing this and they

6:40

can just be their archetypes and funny because

6:42

the emotional beat can be the

6:45

human characters that they're playing off

6:47

of. And does that make sense?

6:49

Like I'm okay with- No, it makes sense

6:51

that I can see where you're coming from.

6:53

For me, it didn't land properly. Even in

6:55

the first Muppet movie, Gonzo has the song,

6:57

right? Going to go back there someday, which

7:00

is incredibly touching and meaningful. And by the

7:02

time we get to Muppets in space, those

7:05

same emotions coming from him just come

7:07

off very maudlin to me. And

7:10

so, yes, they were trying to give

7:12

him depth and give him a real character. In

7:15

my opinion, it didn't work and

7:18

they just kind of took his

7:20

uniqueness away. The spark that made

7:22

him interesting was gone,

7:25

but, oh well. What

7:28

a wonderful world it would have been if we would have

7:30

had more Jim Henson and

7:33

we would have had a couple of

7:35

Muppet Treasure Island type movies followed

7:38

by- Kind of a literary classic Muppet edition.

7:40

Followed by a, here's the Muppets going through

7:42

their own character arcs and growing

7:44

as people. And then going back to, and

7:46

now they can be silly again and we

7:49

can do Muppet Pride and Prejudice like we

7:51

joked about in one of our early episodes.

7:53

Like, what a wonderful world that would

7:55

have been. It's an interesting thing to

7:57

think about because I think for the most part-

8:00

The Muppets are more interesting when

8:02

they are just being weird.

8:05

And Kermit is the exception

8:07

to that. He's the straight man, so he

8:09

has to... He is the straight man. He

8:11

is the one who I'm willing to accept

8:14

him as a character and everyone around him

8:16

as an archetype. Because we get

8:19

to see his growth in the first

8:21

one, and then in Muppets

8:23

Take Manhattan, it's basically the same

8:25

story again, but Broadway this time.

8:27

Here's the earnest one, and

8:29

his whole thing is about being earnest

8:31

and trying to create art for the

8:33

world, and everyone around him

8:35

is just kind of weird. Yeah, but

8:37

I think Fozzie has legit character

8:40

moments and things as well,

8:42

right? For example? So

8:44

he's becoming a friend with Kermit,

8:46

right? Yeah. Like their first meetings

8:48

and things like that. Like these

8:50

are... Yes, he's participating in

8:52

Kermit's story and stuff like that.

8:54

But I don't know, maybe it's just because I

8:57

can see beyond to Frank Oz and

9:01

see their characters as the two actors

9:03

play off of each other. I just...

9:05

I see a little bit more there.

9:07

Yeah. But you're right, I don't want...

9:09

Like whatever the guy who throws fish

9:11

is, I don't want his backstory. Blue

9:13

Zealand. Yeah, I don't want a deep

9:15

thing for him and character journey. Yeah.

9:18

Now that we're talking about it in these terms, we

9:20

do get into some of these other characters

9:23

and we learn more about them. But I

9:25

think Kermit and Gonzo, because I'm up in

9:27

space, might be the only ones who are

9:29

POV main characters. Right, who have a

9:31

backstory and stuff like that too. Yeah.

9:33

See, but we've gone around in circles

9:35

on that one. Let's kind of go

9:37

a different direction on this. What's your

9:39

opinion on the two kind of great

9:41

literary classic ones that we got? I

9:44

know they did another one that was like a TV movie

9:46

and I haven't seen it. What is it? What did they

9:48

do? I'm trying to remember. I don't know.

9:50

They did Treasure Island. They didn't. Christmas Carol. Christmas Carol. Those

9:52

are the two I'm talking about. Like what are your opinions

9:54

on those? I am on record

9:57

as being the one a-hole who doesn't

9:59

really. love Muppet Christmas

10:01

Carol. It was not a

10:04

part of my childhood so I have no

10:06

nostalgia for it. I was an adult by

10:08

the time it came out. And it's not

10:10

my favorite Christmas Carol adaptation. I don't dislike

10:12

it, but it was a

10:14

few years ago when I realized everyone

10:17

else other than me absolutely

10:19

loves and reveres it. Whereas for

10:21

me, it's solidly mid-tier Muppets. Okay.

10:24

It is not a must-see Christmas

10:26

movie for me. It's

10:29

just kind of, oh yeah, they

10:31

made this thing. I don't have must-see movies so

10:33

I'm not gonna, you know. But

10:35

I really like it. I

10:37

think the music's good. Yeah. I think

10:39

it's Michael Caine, right? Like Michael

10:42

Caine is just such a good

10:44

Scrooge. And he leans all the

10:46

way into it. Yeah. He is

10:48

acting as if everyone

10:50

else was a human

10:52

actor around him. He doesn't pretend like

10:54

he's in a Muppet movie. Yep. And

10:56

that's what always makes it work, right?

10:59

But yeah, like Charles Grodin in Great

11:01

Muppet Caper, falling in love with Miss

11:03

Piggy. Yeah. At no point is he

11:05

like, these are Muppets. This is

11:07

weird. No, he treats it like a real thing.

11:10

So yeah, there's, like I said, there's things I

11:12

like about it. There's things that don't, I actually

11:14

don't like the music very much. But

11:17

you know, the Albert Finney musical Scrooge

11:19

is my favorite version of Christmas Carol.

11:21

Okay. And this is a

11:23

pale shadow in comparison. Okay. That

11:26

is absolutely a minority opinion, but.

11:28

Well, I mean, people come here for

11:31

your bad takes. So sound off in

11:33

the comments if you come here for

11:35

Dan's bad takes. Yeah. Muppet Treasure Island

11:37

is about the same for me. Like it's

11:40

mid-tier Muppets. It's not terrible. It

11:42

has some really great jokes. It

11:45

does some fun things that I think

11:47

are cool. Yeah. Tim Curry is

11:50

phenomenal in it. I've

11:53

not seen a bad Tim Curry performance. So

11:55

yeah. Yeah. No one can

11:57

chew scenery like Tim Curry. and

12:00

he chews it well. Mm-hmm. I

12:02

need to show that one to my kids. I

12:04

think they would enjoy that one. They've really only

12:07

seen Christmas Carol, because we've turned that on for

12:09

them. They haven't seen any of the old classics.

12:11

Yeah, see, I just, a

12:13

couple of weeks ago, finally got

12:15

around to showing my kids Muppet's

12:17

Take Manhattan. Okay. And

12:19

they enjoyed it, they didn't love it.

12:22

What's your favorite of the three originals?

12:24

Muppet Caper. Okay, that's my favorite. I

12:26

think that's absolutely the best top tier

12:28

Muppet movie of all time. The best

12:31

structure, and it has the wildest

12:33

performances, and it

12:35

has the real, the ending is

12:38

just so insane. Mm-hmm.

12:41

Yeah. The running gag of Fauzi

12:43

and Kermit being twins, and people can't tell

12:45

them apart, is so brilliant. It

12:47

is so funny. It is really good, yeah.

12:49

And very subtly laced throughout. That's my favorite

12:52

one. I do have to say, my 12-year-old, he

12:56

dropped an absolute solid

12:58

joke a couple days

13:00

after we watched Muppet's Take Manhattan. Uh-huh. Because

13:02

he thought it was so funny that they

13:05

have the big giant wedding at the end

13:07

of that one, and it's ostensibly part of

13:09

a Broadway show. And then

13:11

a couple of days later, we were

13:13

talking about something else completely different. And

13:16

I made a joke that one of the guys

13:18

that my daughter likes,

13:20

my 17-year-old, looks

13:22

kinda like a Muppet. And

13:25

Lincoln, out of nowhere, he said,

13:28

oh, well, if you marry her, that's gonna

13:30

be expensive, because Muppet weddings are huge. And

13:33

I was like, dude, that is an A-plus

13:36

callback reference. I was very

13:38

proud. There's a really

13:40

good documentary on YouTube about

13:42

Jim Henson's life. Mm. Sold

13:45

in, I think it was Defunctland who

13:47

made it, which is, it's a theme

13:49

park YouTube channel. Yeah. But

13:51

that is, as a lot of YouTube

13:53

channels, they've aged and grown, have gotten

13:55

successful and added production value and added

13:57

production value and added production value. that

14:00

they did a whole sequence. It's

14:02

like a six half hour episode

14:04

sequence of documentaries on Jim Henson's

14:06

life. That's good. And it's

14:08

fantastic. Highly recommend it. It added a

14:10

whole lot of new context for me

14:12

about all of this and kind of

14:15

his aspirations. And I'd always imagine Jim

14:17

Henson as like puppets are the thing.

14:19

This is what I'm all about. And

14:21

it wasn't. Puppets were the

14:23

means by which he was doing the

14:26

things he wanted to do. But he

14:28

had really grand aspirations and

14:30

he kind of almost fell into

14:32

using puppets to get there. And

14:35

he was definitely more Lucas

14:38

like in that regard than I knew.

14:41

Well, okay, then let's talk about the

14:43

kind of non-muppet Muppets.

14:45

Yeah. Labyrinth and Dark Crystal.

14:47

Yeah. What are your thoughts? I love them

14:49

both. Like Dark Crystal

14:51

is so cool. And

14:55

like we got so few

14:57

in the 80s, legit epic

14:59

fantasy stories. And

15:01

the ones that we did get the special

15:04

effects just could not live up to the

15:06

dreams of the filmmakers. And this is in

15:09

part because no one would give

15:11

them the budgets because of this.

15:13

And so the few that were

15:15

really good and worked were

15:17

treasures to me as a

15:20

young man. Speaking basically like there's

15:22

really only of epic fantasy, Dark

15:24

Crystal and then Willow in the

15:26

early 90s, late 80s, whenever that

15:29

happened when you got like, hey,

15:32

it can actually work. And even like

15:34

Kroll and Beastmaster and stuff, I would

15:36

watch because it's like, oh, it could

15:38

be. Flash of the Titans. All these

15:40

things that were almost what I

15:43

wanted, but not quite. Dark

15:45

Crystal, that's when

15:47

Henson was working with Brian Froud and

15:50

their combined world building

15:52

and the freedom because they're working with

15:55

puppets rather than human actors to

15:57

just be able to show the weirdest

16:01

things that didn't look like

16:03

bad effects. Yeah, because they were all

16:06

so cohesive They fit together so well

16:08

having the main characters also be puppets

16:10

instead of humans surrounded by all these

16:12

weird things Yep was absolutely the right

16:15

thing because then it all looked like

16:17

yeah, okay, he said whole I mean the

16:20

world building's legit cool like the Skeksis

16:22

are easy to remember name, but I think the other ones are

16:24

just called something like Monks or

16:26

it's like no, it's like real they had

16:28

a name, but there's like they're like mystics

16:30

or their yeah Like it's just some real

16:33

word. Yeah, and then you've got this cool

16:35

fantasy world word for the others So yeah

16:37

But the idea of the good and evil

16:40

having been split apart in need to be

16:42

rejoined against the evils

16:44

desires and you know

16:46

draining life force to stay young

16:48

and All of this

16:50

stuff it was just you know

16:52

visually arresting but also worked really well

16:55

as an interesting epic fantasy premise The

16:57

story was great. Did you watch

16:59

the? Dark crystal age

17:01

of resistance. I did and it

17:03

didn't work for me despite it being

17:07

like technically Amazing.

17:10

Mm-hmm. I think for me. It's been a

17:12

little while since I watched it. Yeah, it's

17:14

been what three years Four

17:17

but I give it two chances I watched two episodes

17:19

and they came back and watched two more and then

17:21

I was done and I think Part

17:24

of it was I think it was mostly the

17:26

writing the writing wasn't jiving for

17:28

me. The characters weren't clicking I

17:30

think it might have involved too much

17:33

Jumping between viewpoints that was I think

17:35

it's biggest flaw. Mm-hmm I thought that

17:37

they did a pretty good job with

17:40

a lot of the storytelling on there

17:42

every character's individual Plot

17:45

was good. Okay, and our friend Margaret. She

17:47

was one of the writers. Okay room I

17:50

don't think she was ever leave writer on an episode

17:53

But yeah, it was very much falling into

17:55

that kind of Game of Thrones Thing

17:58

where it's like we're gonna tell 20

18:00

different stories all at the same time and

18:04

we didn't really ever get time to

18:06

invest in any of them because there

18:08

were too many and because I think

18:11

a lot of the puppets were Indistinguishable

18:13

frankly that was definitely a problem for me. Yeah,

18:15

I didn't feel like I could bond to them

18:18

and I as a rule Don't

18:21

like prequels. Hmm. Now.

18:23

I remember watching this and being like

18:25

oh I can see how they're doing this

18:28

They're going to make it. It's dramatic irony.

18:30

We know where it's going The

18:32

characters don't and we don't know how it's

18:34

going to happen But I remember

18:37

like so much of it didn't make a

18:40

lot of sense world-building wise for me I

18:42

would have to watch again But I remember

18:44

distinctly watching an episode where everyone's like this

18:46

is the great mayor that we have to

18:48

they're wonderful And then it's like a Skexy's

18:50

he comes on. He's like so evil and

18:53

so Just obvious

18:55

like the whole Get

18:57

up for him like it's like warts all

18:59

over his face using the whole ugly equals

19:02

evil thing a little too much And

19:04

I'm like this is not a surprise

19:07

to anyone with half a brain that

19:09

this is oh, this is evil And

19:11

they're heading towards and and I'm like

19:14

well, what's the story about then? We

19:16

know these are the bad guys and

19:18

it's now no longer dramatic iron Like

19:20

if this glorious gorgeous beautiful being had

19:22

come and I'm like, oh That's

19:26

I know what's gonna happen That's one

19:28

thing that I wish they had done and in general.

19:30

I really liked the show Okay, even before I knew

19:33

that my friend was one of the writers on it.

19:35

I thought that it worked I thought

19:37

they took it in some interesting places. I enjoyed

19:39

watching it. However Yeah, one thing

19:41

that they were doing and I feel like

19:43

they only did it halfway was The

19:46

Skexy's that we see in the movie.

19:48

Yeah are very much the Faded

19:51

glory of a dying civilization. Exactly.

19:53

They are clinging to what used

19:55

to be opulence and is

19:57

now just depressing and I wish

20:00

that they had done that with the visual look

20:02

of the Skeksis as well. If they had in

20:04

the past had actual, you

20:06

know, more feathers and bright colors

20:08

and they had looked as glorious

20:11

as they think they are, then

20:13

I could have believed, oh yes, these

20:16

are the people who have ruled civilization

20:18

forever and everybody reveres them and these

20:21

stupid Gelflings kind of

20:24

go along with it, but just

20:26

straight up showing us the

20:28

same Skeksis we've already seen

20:30

didn't really work. And they were

20:32

mean and they were, yeah, yeah,

20:34

and if they were just secretly

20:37

evil but visually beautiful, that

20:39

would have sold everything. And that kind of,

20:41

that one kind of killed it for me

20:43

when that moment happened because I'm like, oh,

20:46

anyway, but love

20:49

Dark Crystal, love Labyrinth, yeah,

20:51

love Fraggle Rock. See,

20:54

Fraggle Rock, because it was on cable,

20:56

yeah, I've never really seen. Every

20:59

time they would do a special, like a

21:01

Christmas special or something and there'd be one

21:03

scene with the Fraggles, that was my only

21:05

experience with the Fraggles. Labyrinth,

21:09

you know, I've said many times that I'm deeply

21:11

in love with Jennifer Connolly. Yep. That's all started

21:13

with Labyrinth. I thought that they did such a

21:15

great job there, but

21:18

yeah, Fraggle Rock, I never really

21:20

saw. So we've got a

21:22

few minutes left. The reboot. You

21:24

liked the reboot a lot. I did. I

21:27

liked the reboot. Yeah. It took me a

21:29

while to get my head around it and

21:32

kind of come to terms with what they were

21:34

doing. Part of it is, it bothered

21:38

me and it still kind of bothers

21:40

me on a weird level that there

21:42

were human main characters to it. Okay.

21:44

Because humans have always been present but

21:47

peripheral to the stories being told. Yeah,

21:49

this was about a human. Yeah. And

21:51

his Muppet brother. Mm-hmm. So. The

21:54

moment in the movie where it

21:56

gelled for me and I'm like, okay.

21:58

Mm-hmm. see what they're doing

22:00

and I love it is when we see Sheldon

22:03

from Big Bang Theory as the human

22:05

version of the Muppet brother. First

22:08

of all because it's flawless casting, in

22:11

hindsight they made the Muppet kind of sort of

22:13

look like him in ways where

22:15

you're able to go. Oh okay. And

22:18

then I was like okay this

22:20

works. Prior to that the

22:22

whole thing just felt like these people just

22:24

wanted to put themselves in a Muppet movie.

22:26

I liked it for the same reason not

22:29

quite on the level of Lego movie but

22:31

doing the same thing where it's a story

22:33

about the subtext. This

22:36

guy grew up loving the Muppets and

22:39

now is trying to you

22:41

know work with the

22:43

Muppets and bring them the actor himself bring

22:46

them to the forefront. What

22:48

is his place in that? He's a

22:50

human and it's kind of the story about

22:52

nostalgia and the things we love and the

22:54

nature of reboots. In the same

22:57

with the Lego movies kind of about playing

22:59

with Legos and our connection to them and

23:01

things like that. It did come out during

23:03

that period where Gen X

23:05

was desperately grappling with nostalgia as

23:07

a concept. Yeah. So yeah.

23:09

I had to suspend

23:12

my disbelief. Well that's the wrong term.

23:15

It did the one thing that I don't like

23:17

when legacy sequels do. And

23:19

I understand why they do it

23:21

but the whole the Muppets

23:24

broke apart. Her

23:26

Kermit is miserable and mean is

23:28

not too far

23:30

a step off from you know Luke

23:33

Skywalker gave up on the

23:35

Jedi and became a recluse and lost all

23:38

of his sense of hope for the world

23:40

which is not too far off from

23:42

what we see in a lot of these things like we'd have

23:44

a story to tell there's got to be conflict so all

23:47

your happy endings are done. Those

23:49

have been thrown out and I people

23:51

fell apart. I accepted it in

23:54

the Muppets better than I did in some of

23:56

the others but it irked me. Did you watch

23:58

any of the modern Muppet They

24:00

did the reboot tonight in the 90s

24:03

then they had Muppets Now I think was the

24:05

name of their talk show. I watched the 90s

24:07

one. I didn't watch the office Muppets

24:09

as the office. Yeah. Hey Donald

24:11

was there not a TV movie or something where

24:13

they did another literary property? From what

24:16

I have seen I swear

24:18

that there was one. Muppets

24:20

movies. I hope there was one. That

24:23

I missed but I could be remembering wrong. Wizard

24:25

of Oz? Wizard of Oz there

24:27

you go. Oh I remember that one. I didn't see

24:30

it. Yeah I saw it and it was like oh

24:32

okay. They got to do something with these

24:34

characters. Oh wait we've forgotten something.

24:37

We've forgotten something very important that the comment

24:39

sanction was Scream at us for. Okay. Gone

24:42

fishing. Weezer.

24:45

Oh the Weezers. Isn't it called gone fishing? Yeah

24:47

they're on gone fishing. Yeah. Which

24:50

the music video for that is like an old Muppet

24:52

show episode. Yeah. Yeah

24:54

what about dinosaurs? I

24:56

did watch that. I watched all of dinosaurs because I

24:58

remember the pilot and I remember the finale where they

25:00

all die. Where they all die in a meteor. Yep.

25:04

I loved dinosaurs. Yeah. I

25:06

thought they did such a cool job with

25:08

that. And basically like all in the family

25:10

but with giant puppets. Yeah I

25:12

really liked dinosaurs. I

25:14

watched it pretty consistently all through the

25:17

90s when it was on. Mm-hmm. So

25:19

nice work on dinosaurs. Yeah. Are

25:22

there any other really important

25:24

Muppet things? What have we missed?

25:26

Sesame Street. Failed to mention Sesame Street.

25:29

I was not a Sesame Street kid. Weren't?

25:31

No. Everyone our age was

25:33

a Sesame Street kid. I

25:35

wasn't. Crazy. I was watching

25:38

G.I. Joe and stuff like that

25:40

not watching Sesame Street. I

25:42

think for whatever reason like I

25:44

didn't watch it when I was a toddler. Hmm.

25:47

And so you know Elmo and Groucho

25:49

and stuff like that. Huge cultural moments

25:51

like when everyone learned Snuffleupagus was real.

25:55

I knew that happened because it was in the news and stuff but

25:57

that was when we were like teenagers. Yeah. So

26:00

I still watch Sesame Street far

26:03

longer than I Developmentally needed to

26:05

okay because I was a deeply

26:08

obsessed Muppets fan. Okay, I

26:10

think Like number one

26:13

it was too young for me number two They

26:15

repeated segments so much that even when I was

26:18

just above the age group I'm like I've

26:20

seen this so many times song before why

26:22

do they keep doing this? So yeah, I

26:25

didn't want to be educated I want to see

26:27

a giant robot shoot each other favorite

26:29

Muppet Favorite mop

26:31

that we both agree favorite Muppet movies

26:34

caper. Yes caper is the best. Do

26:36

you have a favorite Muppet? probably

26:39

Gonzo Probably. Yeah.

26:42

Yeah under my head. I might say gonzo.

26:44

Mm-hmm. Yep. Do you have

26:46

a favorite Muppet show guest? No,

26:49

because I'm gonna admit something I watched

26:51

a lot of them up at show during an initial

26:53

run Mm-hmm, then when it came out on DVDs Giordo

26:55

my brother bought it and we sat down and watched

26:57

a bunch of the episodes I couldn't

26:59

handle the laugh track. Yeah laugh track

27:02

sounds so fake to me now in

27:04

my ears That it

27:06

just gets under my skin and I couldn't take

27:08

it I managed to get through like three or

27:10

four episodes when he watched the whole run and

27:12

I have never watched another episode Muppet show is

27:14

not a series that Wants

27:17

to be binged. Yeah, too much

27:19

all at once. It doesn't really hang

27:21

Together and I know like the laugh

27:23

track is part of the joke in

27:25

the Muppets They're using it very deliberately

27:27

but anytime I see one of those

27:29

old shows and As soon as

27:31

I become aware of the laugh track It's

27:34

all I pay attention to and it

27:36

becomes like fingernails on chalkboard to me. Okay,

27:38

I'm changing my answer. I think gonzo Used

27:41

to be my favorite Muppet. Uh-huh, but

27:43

now I am absolutely Stadler and Waldorf

27:46

if I can use the two of them together Never

27:49

fear individually. Yeah, they have

27:52

become my favorite Muppets. I mean I

27:54

also empathize with Kermit a lot and

27:57

so the leader of

27:59

a company creative weirdos that need

28:01

to be kept in line. And

28:03

I'm one of the creative weirdos some of the

28:05

time, right? But I am sometimes

28:07

the straight man, right? Even back at leading

28:09

edge and things like that. It's like, all

28:12

right, I'm the responsible one. Let's make sure

28:14

this actually happens. Actually produce

28:16

a magazine. Yeah. So. Okay.

28:19

Well, hip hip

28:21

hooray. How's

28:24

that been?