0:00

So, more superhero and comic book films that are not from

0:02

the MCU era. But

0:12

first we're going to do a food heist. Is this what we're doing?

0:14

Yes, we are. So, question. Is this going

0:16

to be the episode right after the last one we

0:18

did, or should we make them put something in between?

0:21

So that there's like a palate

0:23

cleanser. Like, hey, remember. Or

0:26

maybe to make them anticipate this episode. Everyone's going

0:28

to be like, next week? Yeah, we should absolutely

0:31

put something else in there. Well,

0:33

we'll leave that to Dan the Audio Man and Adam

0:35

and team to figure out. Make another post-it somewhere.

0:37

No, they can just decide. In a different drawer that

0:39

says, at the start of the next episode, we need

0:41

to say, hey, we decided

0:44

not to talk about this week's

0:46

issue list two episodes in a row. We

0:48

don't even let them know. No. Okay.

0:51

We just launch right into it. I mean, what did we say

0:53

we were going to do that we just never did? Oh,

0:55

well, we did eventually talk about the-

0:58

You're facing the other direction from your microphone right now, Dan. I know.

1:01

Is this going in the episode? Yeah. I

1:05

thought we'd begun. So

1:08

we're talking in what's going to be

1:10

the next

1:12

episode about the evil trick

1:14

we're playing on people from the last episode.

1:16

I mean, if they did it, if Adam

1:18

and team decided to, they might have to

1:20

now. Well, okay. I

1:23

like this plan. What else should we make

1:25

them do? Maybe you could have them move

1:27

the things behind you instead of getting

1:30

away from your microphone in the middle of a

1:32

podcast. I didn't know it was the middle of

1:34

a podcast. It sounded like a planning meeting. Is

1:36

the timer going? The timer's going. Oh

1:38

my gosh. We've

1:42

teleported two minutes and 25 seconds into

1:45

the future. More time

1:47

dilation. Oh, Dan. Hey,

1:49

so you want to hear

1:51

a food heist? Sure. I

1:53

want to hear a food heist. Somehow the last two were

1:56

very questionable. Security

1:58

was low. There was

2:01

possibly some inside people. Yeah This

2:04

one is not that. Oh, this one's

2:06

amazing Okay, so this one

2:08

was sent to me by someone and

2:11

it takes place in

2:13

Peru Okay in

2:15

Peru. They've had similar to what we talked about

2:17

a while ago with olive oil bad

2:20

weather and bad harvests have raised

2:22

the price of lemons,

2:25

okay and limes through

2:27

the roof and so Somebody

2:31

was driving a truck

2:34

of limes 208

2:37

boxes of limes, okay

2:39

valued at more than 40,000

2:42

whatever their currency is it

2:44

says s slash 40,000. I actually did not Previously

2:47

look this up to find out what that means.

2:49

All right. I'm just gonna pretend. Yeah worth like,

2:51

you know, 10 US

2:54

dollars for $400,000 in limes. That's what

2:56

I'm gonna pretend. Okay four

2:58

hundred thousand dollars worth of limes

3:01

Asterix Footnote

3:04

and here's the great thing about it. They were being

3:06

driven through the province of Chiclado Into

3:10

Ecuador, which is next

3:12

to Peru. Mm-hmm. And so

3:14

they're going along somewhere

3:16

along that road and I Don't

3:19

know if this was a mountain road or

3:21

a jungle road or a parrot. It was

3:23

both. Yeah I like to imagine

3:26

that it's both. Yeah on a Very

3:28

narrow road along the side of a mountain in

3:30

the middle of a jungle somebody

3:34

stopped the truck and pulled

3:36

out the dude tied the driver's hands

3:38

together left him on the side of the

3:40

road and took off

3:42

with for Million

3:45

dollars worth of

3:47

limes. Yeah. Yeah four

3:50

million dollars that stole the car

3:52

itself Well, yeah, and

3:55

that's amazing. Wow, that's

3:57

very bold. Mm-hmm. That's

3:59

scarier and a lot of our food

4:01

heists, right? Because as long as you know that

4:03

the bear glower is not actually there to hurt

4:05

you, then you don't have to be frightened when

4:08

you see the bear glower. Well, and most of the

4:10

heists that we do are heists. They

4:12

are secret thefts in

4:14

shadows and darkness. This one,

4:16

no, they showed up with guns and

4:19

zip ties. I mean, when

4:21

you're stealing $40 million worth of limes, you

4:24

can afford to be there with

4:27

your equipment and probably some helicopters,

4:29

not mentioned in the article, but you know, I imagine

4:31

they were there. I mean, that's a lot of limes.

4:34

Well, and even the journalist here is

4:36

getting into it because this sentence says,

4:39

the conductor was identified as

4:41

Buena Ventura Monjas Arrato, 65

4:45

years old, who was abandoned in the darkness

4:47

of the night. Yeah.

4:50

There you are. Every now and

4:52

then I think, you know, this would make a pretty good

4:54

movie. This is a nice action

4:57

movie. We don't often get those. Yeah. So

4:59

that's pretty cool. I mean, it's like five minutes of an action

5:01

movie, but. Okay, and then the rest of it might be just

5:05

playful hijinks. Playful. For

5:07

all we know. That's right. Whatever they're gonna

5:09

do with their $400 million worth of

5:12

limes, just like

5:15

Brewster's Millions. You gotta get rid of $400 million worth of

5:17

limes. You gotta figure out what

5:19

to do with those somehow. Someone's gonna lose all their

5:21

teeth enamel. So I have that thing you're

5:24

saying, teeth enamel. I

5:28

can't eat citrusy things. You can't eat citrusy

5:30

things. Or my teeth start to hurt. Really?

5:34

Yeah. So I haven't been able to have like sour

5:36

gumballs since I was a kid,

5:38

because I probably ate way too many of them when I

5:41

lost all the enamel on my teeth. Really?

5:45

The last two times that I

5:47

have had actual real limes squeezed

5:51

into a drink or over tacos or

5:53

something, I have had

5:55

horrific acid reflux the following day.

5:58

Wow, that's probably a sign. to maybe

6:01

stop eating limes. Yeah, you're not gonna do that. I

6:03

don't know. That doesn't make any sense. No. I don't

6:05

think scientifically that that works out. It's

6:07

really obvious, but I

6:09

hadn't realized that until relatively

6:12

recently, as far as like these

6:14

things go, there was only

6:16

one citrus tree, one type

6:19

of citrus tree. And it's somewhat

6:21

relatively recently in, you

6:24

know, human cultivation, transforming

6:27

that one citrus tree into

6:29

all the different varieties that

6:31

we have cultivating. Like

6:33

lemons and limes and oranges and grapefruits.

6:35

Yep. All coming from this

6:37

one progenitor of the citrus that have

6:39

been cultivated by human beings. And the

6:41

early ones, the rinds were like, you

6:44

know, an inch thick and stuff like

6:46

that. So I shouldn't realize

6:48

that, but I just hadn't put together

6:50

that the reason we have all these

6:53

different fruits is us. Yeah. Haha.

6:55

Take that nature. Yeah. What's

6:58

probably happened, if I go

7:00

read up on it better, so people

7:02

might, it's probably like two or three

7:04

strains that naturally spread and started to

7:06

change. And then we took those evolutionarily.

7:08

Yeah. But what was the first one?

7:11

Was it like a lemon? So

7:13

was it some proto fruit?

7:15

It's a proto fruit from my memory

7:18

of researching this that we don't

7:20

have anymore because we don't have any of these. We

7:22

don't have the original corn anymore. That was just this

7:24

really thick rind that was a citrus that was bred

7:27

over time and different strains ended up. And

7:29

we ended up with all these

7:31

different fruit that all started together

7:33

as one. Have you seen paintings

7:35

of medieval middle ages watermelon? Yes,

7:38

I have this huge watermelon size

7:40

thing. And then like a

7:42

couple of inches of actual edible fruit in

7:44

the middle of it. Yep. And same thing

7:47

with corn. Original corn was just like these

7:49

tiny little kernels on an inch long or

7:51

two inch long ear.

7:53

So speaking

7:55

of ears, Howard the Duck,

7:57

does he have ears? I don't.

8:00

No, it has ear holes. Do

8:02

they count as years if there's no

8:04

ear around them probably because we're gonna

8:06

keep talking about this thing talking about

8:08

superheroes until morale immediately after the previous

8:10

superhero episode Yes, no pauses in between

8:12

no no shenanigans No, we would never

8:14

do that before that if you've seen

8:16

weird science, it's on our list. I

8:19

have not seen weird science Okay, we

8:21

can move over weird science. I don't

8:23

know doesn't seem like a superhero movie

8:25

from little I know about it I

8:27

don't know Kilmer in weird science I

8:30

do not remember. Okay, so it can't

8:32

be Val camera because by this time Val

8:34

camera was starring in top secret

8:37

And he was like action star

8:39

like jokey like top secret is

8:42

no I can absolutely see like

8:45

The journey from weird science to talk. I

8:47

mean I could yeah, well look it up.

8:49

Is that Val Kilmer? Looks

8:52

like it's anthony michael hall. Yeah,

8:54

elan mitchell smith and kelly labrock.

8:56

Yeah So it's not because

8:59

weird science is like high school with him

9:01

then he's what I was saying is he's

9:03

older He's playing action hero by this time

9:06

already. Okay, he's too old to be in

9:09

a weird science esque movie though, I

9:12

don't know Oh real genius

9:14

real genius. That's the one i'm thinking of.

9:16

Okay, so 86

9:18

howard the power of the duck and

9:20

also three supermen in santa domingo Yeah,

9:24

you say that like it's spanish, but it's

9:26

not I don't have a good Italian

9:28

accent. So Howard the duck

9:30

Howard the duck. I mean i'll

9:32

tell you exactly what I remember about Howard the duck

9:34

Yeah, there's some kind of space

9:36

laser that brings him to earth. Yep

9:38

And then there's a scene where he

9:40

makes out with alie sheetie. Yeah, that

9:42

is all I remember. It's not alie

9:44

sheetie Look at that.

9:46

It's not alie sheetie. I am almost i'm sure it's

9:49

not alie. If it's val kilmer i'm gonna last It's

9:52

not val kilmer either here's

9:54

an hour the day where it's alie sheetie Yep,

9:59

there you go Oh, you're right. I'm right. I'm

10:02

right at Liam Thompson. Yeah. Okay. I'm

10:05

not as good with names as you are, but

10:07

I knew that was not Ali's. Yeah, okay. So,

10:09

Howard the Duck was terrible. I watched it in

10:11

the theater when I was 11, and

10:14

I remember being like, this is just plain

10:16

awful and weird. I don't

10:18

like any of this. Why

10:20

is this made by the guy who made Star Wars?

10:23

Yeah. Howard the Duck, even in comics, was

10:26

specifically by and

10:28

for very weird

10:31

people. Yeah. There was

10:33

no misunderstanding about who their audience was, what

10:35

kind of story they were trying to tell,

10:38

and then the

10:40

only possible explanation of why somebody thought

10:42

they could turn it into the

10:44

next Superman is just

10:47

cocaine. It was 86. Yeah.

10:50

Some Hollywood executive was like, oh yeah, this stuff's

10:52

kind of superhero, but also

10:54

edgy. I don't

10:56

know. Oh, the comics were kind of

10:58

edgy. None of the comics are. The movie's not,

11:00

though. The movie has these nods to being edgy, but

11:03

it's just as dumb or gross

11:06

instead. It's not actually edgy, because Howard's like

11:08

this nice guy and things, and maybe they

11:10

give him a line now, and then it's

11:12

supposed to be sarcastic, but they're treating

11:15

him like- He's a cute little

11:17

muppet guy. Yeah. And

11:19

Lea Thompson at her most alley-sheedy.

11:23

Hot take, everybody. Howard the Duck, the movie

11:25

was terrible. Surprise. Surprise,

11:27

surprise. All right. 87,

11:30

we get Masters of the Universe, which I have

11:32

seen. I'm quite fond of Masters of the Universe.

11:34

It's a terrible movie. I haven't seen it since

11:36

1987. Is Master of

11:38

the Universe Roger Corman? Is

11:40

that a Roger Corman special? I don't think so. Look that

11:43

up for me, if you would. If

11:45

somebody who had been doing B-movies, who

11:47

kind of wanted to

11:49

do something more big-budget and wasn't quite

11:51

able to pull it off, because it's

11:54

got this weird mix of ambition and

11:56

B-movie sensibilities, like we can do some

11:58

stuff in the future. Fantasy world, but we

12:00

can't do too much because it's too expensive So he

12:02

has to come to earth to come to earth because

12:04

that's the only way we can afford to make this

12:07

movie look it up but Isn't

12:09

it like some? Big like

12:11

actual real legitimate director and this is how

12:14

they broke in Oh boy, it could be

12:16

really bad or something in that rain like

12:18

that I mean, it's not actually Ridley Scott,

12:20

but it's something like that. It's gonna be

12:22

like David Gary Goddard is

12:24

the director Gary Goddard

12:27

Gary Goddard. Okay, so it's some

12:29

random dude. No one's ever heard

12:31

of okay Okay,

12:33

sorry. No offense Gary Goddard. You

12:36

made a look at the producers that we love There's

12:39

a name associated with this that I know I'm sure Other

12:42

than dolphin what I like about this show is how

12:44

prepared we are when we come into it Oh

12:50

Oh Courtney

12:53

cost the cannon picture group. That's who

12:55

it is. It's the cannon group. It's

12:58

the picture group I'm not writing the

13:01

names because it's cannon films, you know

13:03

cannon films Yeah cannon films famous B

13:05

movie action movie film studio It

13:08

was the film groups attempt to

13:10

go more mainstream. That's what I

13:12

remember anyway, man. I need to

13:14

rewatch this Yeah, because that is

13:16

a murderers row of like Franklin

13:18

Jellis Billy Barty.

13:21

Yep, Robert. Billy Duncan McNeil

13:23

Courtney Cox Billy Barty. This

13:25

is insane. Yeah. Oh Yeah,

13:28

early Courtney Cox. I remember that that

13:30

is bizarre. Is this before or after

13:32

she did the Bruce Springsteen video?

13:38

Launched her career didn't it? Yeah, I

13:41

think it probably did This

13:44

is fantastic. Yeah, we need to watch it.

13:47

It's a ride They

13:49

ran out of money and couldn't film the ending

13:51

they had to go fight to be able to

13:53

get an actual ending fight between Skeletor and

13:56

Dolph Lundgren by the man and

13:59

they had to film it With like no setting or

14:01

background so it's like bloomed this didn't

14:03

or something like that and just had

14:05

ah, it's amazing It

14:07

is also a tragedy, but yeah and

14:09

Courtney Cox Bruce Springsteen concert in Minnesota

14:12

was 1984 1984

14:15

so there you go. So this would have been filled in 86

14:18

All right, so 87 has quite a

14:20

bit. There's massive universe Robo cop. Yeah

14:23

for man for So

14:25

Superman for pretty terrible Robo cop Robo

14:28

cop amazing. Guess who's never seen Robo

14:30

cop Wow, Dan We're seeing

14:32

Robo cop. You're supposed to be the one

14:34

that knows all the film Robo cop is

14:36

super weird It's by a weirdo director. I

14:38

know how have you not seen Robo cop?

14:40

It's like cuz my parents didn't

14:43

let me watch rated-R movies. Okay, and then

14:45

I just never got around to it. Have

14:47

you seen Starship

14:49

Troopers Yes, okay. Have you

14:51

named dude right? Yeah, Oliver Hovind. Yep. Have

14:53

you seen iron swoosh nigga on Mars? No,

14:58

I haven't but you're talking about Colder

15:00

recall. Yeah, I have yeah, but see that's when

15:03

it came out when I was in junior high

15:05

or whatever Okay, and then I'm like I need

15:07

to go see that now that I'm in college

15:09

and I can do whatever I want Yeah, it

15:11

never was a priority for Robo cop for some

15:14

reason. I guess Robo cop panel.

15:16

I was 12 How did I see Robo

15:18

cop when I was 12 because I totally

15:20

did? Yeah, okay. Well Robo cops

15:22

great I haven't seen the modern Robo

15:24

cop either. I have not I heard it was

15:26

but Robo crop cop is

15:29

the best of those Weird

15:31

Verhoeven movies schlocky Verhoeven. Yep in

15:34

my opinion. Mm-hmm. Okay I

15:37

also like that you almost said Robo crop

15:39

because there's the robot on a right all

15:42

the corn is mechanized in

15:44

our dystopian future I

15:47

think we're already there You

15:51

gotta you being attacked it's like Blade

15:53

Runner, you know self-aware Weep now

15:55

the animals are fake and made out of metal. You gotta eat

15:57

your metal corn. You know, I'm gonna get real corn Yeah,

16:01

poor kid Crashing

16:03

away on it. Yep. All

16:06

right. Well now we start hitting where

16:08

like comic book movies are the real

16:10

deal Yeah, they're starting to become plausible.

16:12

So 89 we

16:14

have Batman Batman and Burton Batman. Mm-hmm

16:17

and a bunch of other stuff three

16:19

more toxic Avengers movies back to back

16:22

Yep, trauma accidentally made a hit and

16:24

so Trauma will do

16:26

what trauma does but Batman Tim

16:28

Burton's Batman Tim Burton's Batman I

16:30

loved the crap out of Tim

16:32

Burton's Batman. Also, it's time for

16:34

me to take a pill apparently cuz my alarms

16:36

well, okay I hope they're

16:38

legal They are

16:41

it's Trasadone. Excellent. Okay. So

16:43

yeah, I the sea so

16:45

Batman 1989 I Remember

16:49

it came out the same summer as who

16:52

framed Roger Rabbit Mm-hmm, and I desperately wanted

16:54

to see both of them both

16:56

excellent movies. Yeah, Batman just

16:58

it changed my life I didn't know that

17:00

you could do cool things like

17:03

this in Like a

17:05

real way because my experience

17:07

with Batman and superheroes was primarily

17:10

the schlocky old stuff, right? Yep,

17:13

and then Batman came

17:15

out and it was real and it was gritty

17:17

and it was I don't know.

17:19

I was absolutely taken by it Yep,

17:22

I'm there with you. Like I had seen Johnny

17:25

Depp with scissor fingers Edward scissor hands

17:27

which I I get it

17:29

mixed up. I feel like I'm

17:32

getting that mixed up. I think that this made him able

17:34

to make that am I right? Did I get that backwards?

17:37

I think scissor hands came out after that. So

17:39

I had seen then We Beetlejuice

17:44

came before this one. I think didn't it give

17:46

me a Tim Burton and Okay,

17:49

so so the following year following year

17:51

when was I know Pee Wee was

17:53

before I mean Okay,

17:56

so I'd seen Pee Wee and okay, cuz I knew

17:58

going into this it was a director who stole I'd

18:00

liked yeah, I couldn't have told you why

18:02

I liked pee wee Back

18:04

then but I could have told you why I

18:07

liked Beetlejuice. I have never seen pee wee's big

18:09

adventure either I mean

18:11

that's not as much of an oversight. It's a

18:13

really weird niche movie I'm way

18:15

more shocked that you haven't seen Robocop like

18:17

this is a Dan movie I know I

18:19

did watch pee wee's playhouse every single Saturday

18:21

morning So pee wee's playhouse is the kids

18:23

show built off of the movie which was

18:25

not a kids show But it also was

18:27

not like Superdol. It's just Tim

18:29

Burton Being weird,

18:31

right? Okay. I don't even know if that

18:34

was his screenplay, but regardless It's super weird

18:36

and it's actually really good, but Batman's like

18:39

This weirdo has made a movie that normal

18:41

people are gonna like granted everyone loved me

18:43

but that's what was going through my head

18:45

when I watched it and Yeah,

18:48

it's fantastic. I remember thinking

18:50

Jack Nicholson. I Didn't

18:53

know at the time. Oh really but Michael

18:55

Keaton I had seen like mr. Mom and

18:57

all the little kind of rom-com stuff that

18:59

he had done prior and Thought

19:01

he is such a weird choice. Mmm, and then

19:03

he killed it. He was so good Keaton

19:06

has some real chops, but I mean

19:08

he was Beetlejuice. Yeah. Yeah

19:11

Well, and again, I thought that's so weird The

19:14

guy from the funny ghost movie is supposed

19:16

to be the serious Batman had and then

19:18

he was a serious bet Had you seen

19:20

Beetlejuice had seen okay the funny ghost movie

19:22

the funny ghost. It was a very funny

19:24

ghost movie Do you not think it's a

19:26

funny movie? I mean, it is

19:28

a funny movie, but he's not a funny ghost

19:31

I mean, well, it's a funny movie about a mean

19:33

ghost. Okay. There you go funny movie about a mean

19:36

ghost Yeah, I guess you can then say it's the

19:38

funny ghost movie. It's just funny

19:40

comma ghost movie not okay

19:42

I'm gonna ask you a very loaded question.

19:44

Oh dear at what point did

19:46

you get tired of Tim Burton? The

19:50

loaded part is I'm assuming that you like me

19:52

it eventually got tired of Tim Burton So

19:55

plan of the apes planet

19:57

of the apes maybe not tired of Tim Burton, but

19:59

that's That's when I'm, okay, so when

20:01

am I actually tired of Tim Burton? I went to Planet

20:03

of the Apes, I liked it. Big Fish is great. Big

20:06

Fish is just an amazing film and

20:08

it's late Tim Burton, right? Probably

20:13

then Alice in Wonderland, where

20:15

I'm like, wait, I

20:17

thought your whole shtick was it was

20:19

weird and edgy and you're

20:21

supposed to, when you become mainstream, go more

20:24

weird and edgy, not

20:26

mainstream. Disneyify your

20:28

look. When Nightmare

20:31

for Christmas came out, which I know is not

20:33

as much Tim Burton as everyone likes to say

20:35

it is, but when it

20:37

came out, that worked. It's like,

20:39

oh, Tim Burton's aesthetic plus a

20:41

Disney film is off

20:43

kilter and weird. By

20:46

the time we were to Alice in

20:48

Wonderland, it's just like, no, Banksy

20:50

would have things to say about this, I guess. It's

20:53

right there, it's Alice in Wonderland. I'm

20:55

going to say for me, it

20:58

was probably Mars

21:00

Attacks. Okay, see Mars

21:02

Attacks is super weird though. I'm not

21:05

tired of them. I watched

21:07

it, I didn't get it because I

21:09

didn't watch the 50s serials and

21:11

the 50s science fiction things, but

21:14

I watched them like, you do you,

21:16

man, this is so weird, so

21:19

strange and weird. I'm not

21:21

tired of it at that point. And

21:24

Big Fish is after that and...

21:26

See, but I didn't

21:28

like Big Fish. What's wrong with

21:30

you? It's a boring movie about

21:33

people I don't care about. It's

21:35

a great movie. It's a heartwarming movie.

21:37

No, dumb. See, at some

21:39

point, James and the Giant Peach or

21:42

Mars Attacks or something, I

21:44

just realized, oh, you only

21:46

have like three cool

21:49

ideas and you're just endlessly

21:51

recycling them. I'm sorry. Big

21:53

Fish is amazing. I'm not getting over this. I went

21:55

and saw Kelsey Grammer star in the play in London.

21:57

I liked it so much. I

22:00

don't know what to tell you except

22:02

that I'm right Let

22:05

us know in the comments if Dan is right if Big

22:08

fish is a legitimately a heartwarming well-acted

22:10

and well-directed movie was sleepy hollow that

22:12

got me Oh sleepy hollow is a

22:15

good tipping point, isn't it? Yeah. No

22:17

that side forgotten that's a great win

22:19

He eventually just hit the point where

22:21

he was Parodying himself over and over

22:23

and I have to admit that that's

22:26

not what big fish is Nope, but

22:28

it just kind of felt like that. I don't know

22:31

what it is. Okay weird. We all know that. Okay

22:33

Well, okay, let's move on dark man dark

22:36

man. I Friggin loved

22:38

dark man great dark man's awesome. This was 1990. We

22:40

had a VCR I

22:43

taped it off TV. Mm-hmm sat there with

22:45

a remote and took out all the commercials

22:47

and Then watched it like

22:49

seven more times. Yeah, and then about 15

22:52

years afterwards realized Liam Neeson was in

22:55

it Yeah, well his face is covered for most

22:57

of it. Yeah, I had no idea who he was

22:59

at the time. I love dark man I remember there's

23:01

something I don't like about dark man's like the ending

23:03

doesn't quite work or something But it's been a while

23:06

since I've seen it. But yeah who directed dark man

23:08

Adam Give us the dark man director one

23:10

moment Dick Tracy Dick

23:13

Tracy with Ned

23:15

Something Ned Warren Ned Beatty Ned, but

23:17

no Warren Beatty Warren Beatty. There we

23:20

go. He's in Superman Not more than

23:22

Barry Warren Beatty. That would be a

23:24

very different movie with Ned Dick

23:28

Tracy is not a good movie,

23:31

but it is a movie that I admire

23:34

Incredibly, it's one of these that's like

23:36

they swung for the fences They

23:39

brought in the topest talent

23:41

they could think of This

23:43

is a movie that has Madonna at the

23:45

height of her popularity singing

23:47

a Sondheim song like

23:50

It's insane and the visuals

23:52

are just yeah striking and

23:55

the dramatic bold colors It looked

23:57

it was the first maybe comic movie

24:00

on our list to kind

24:02

of try to portray the

24:04

visual feel of a comic

24:06

strip. You're right. And now that's a lot

24:09

more common. We see things with, you know,

24:11

Ang Lee's Hulk and... But it didn't work

24:13

in Ang Lee's Hulk and it didn't work

24:15

here. It did work in

24:17

Into the Spider-Verse. So it does eventually

24:19

work. People eventually figured out how

24:22

to make a movie look like a comic book. Dick

24:25

Tracy tried, and I have to give it

24:27

credit for the millions of things it tried.

24:29

I just don't think it worked. I'm

24:31

right there with you. I think you explained

24:33

it perfectly. Mm-hmm. Do we got a director

24:35

yet? Yes, it was directed and co-written by

24:37

Sam Raimi. Well, there you go. That's it.

24:39

There we go. You had the read. I'm

24:42

new to somebody. Sam Raimi

24:45

doing his early attempts at...

24:47

Yep, his Darkman. Okay, so

24:50

A90 was also Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles.

24:52

Yep. Loved it to pieces. You

24:54

know, it's a good movie. Yeah. I

24:56

like that, even if you can see people's

24:59

faces in the mouths of the turtles nowadays.

25:01

Yeah. HD did not do that movie favors,

25:03

but... Mm-hmm. So we've talked

25:06

about turtles at length. We

25:08

probably shouldn't go too far into it, but I

25:10

was super excited for this movie and not let

25:12

down. We skipped RoboCop 2. That's

25:14

because I've never seen any RoboCop. Yeah, I know.

25:16

Just to point out, RoboCop

25:19

2, pretty good. Pretty good? Bad

25:22

in places. Can you classify RoboCop as

25:24

a superhero movie? No,

25:26

but it must have been from a comic or

25:28

something to be on this list, right? I mean,

25:30

it's kind of a superhero movie. It kind of

25:32

is. You're right. Like, in a science fiction future,

25:35

here's the guy that goes around beating up

25:37

bad guys. That's basically what a superhero is.

25:40

And you know, like if Cyborg, I mean,

25:42

he's a superhero. Somebody

25:44

made an angsty movie about...

25:46

Yeah, DC Cyborg. ...eternity

25:48

and loss of humanity. RoboCop

25:51

2, I won't say it's amazing. It

25:53

has some really great sequences. It's

25:56

basically the same movie as RoboCop 1, though.

25:58

All right. 1991

26:00

the rocket to rocket tear Okay,

26:04

so the important thing to know is that as

26:06

a man born in 1977? Yes I

26:10

obviously have a huge crush

26:12

on Jennifer Connelly as you've stated at least

26:14

two dozen times on a podcast I mean,

26:16

it's a defining part of who I am

26:18

as a person rocketeer

26:22

Was one of my favorite movies. I

26:24

have not seen it since it came out Do

26:27

we have to watch it again? I have fond memories of it.

26:29

I haven't seen it in I'm gonna say 15 or 20 years

26:33

I wanted to show my kids in

26:36

the theater actually and we just haven't gotten around

26:38

to it yet Mm-hmm. I think it holds up

26:41

does when I watch pretty regularly. I

26:43

really enjoy it I mean the score

26:45

is incredible. I have the score and

26:47

I've listened to it or is good.

26:49

Yeah, it has Jennifer Connelly Mm-hmm, just

26:52

jaw-droppingly gorgeous Jennifer Connelly has what's

26:54

his name James Bond? Tim

26:57

Somebody I don't think there's

26:59

a James Bond. Yeah, there's a Right,

27:03

you're right, right. What's his name? Timothy

27:07

Mm-hmm. Let's see. There's some who call him Tim Yeah,

27:10

whatever his name is. He's James Bond and he

27:13

is in this one. Alan Alda is like the

27:15

kind of old Krusty

27:17

Q guy and I could

27:19

not for the life of me tell you who plays

27:21

the actual rocketeer But it was so

27:24

fun to see that it

27:26

was the first movie I'd seen since

27:28

Indiana Jones that captured Old-school

27:30

pulp. Yeah kind of too fisted.

27:32

Let's punch some Nazis. I

27:35

love rocketeer So the rocketeer

27:37

is Billy Campbell the James Bond

27:39

you're talking about is Timothy Dalton

27:41

Timothy Dalton And I think you

27:43

said Alan Alda, but is it

27:45

not Alan? Alan Arkin Alan Arkin

27:48

Thank you, I get those two mixed

27:50

up all the time. Yeah, they should have thought

27:52

ahead and had different names All

27:54

right, 92. We got to get through 95.

27:56

Oh my god. Okay, we gotta burn through

27:58

this teenage ninja turtle Two secret of the use

28:01

is that the one where they go to Japan or am

28:03

I thinking of karate kid to try to get to They

28:05

do go to Japan. I think change between neutral three is

28:07

turtles in time Oh or something

28:09

like that is that the Japan one because they

28:11

go to ancient Japan don't know you're right They

28:13

do and then we got to see him in

28:16

samurai armor. Yeah toxic crusaders Which

28:18

I have never seen I have not seen so okay.

28:20

Let's talk a little about Because

28:24

I think Yeah turtles in

28:26

time so we got a couple things to talk

28:28

about but all right Batman

28:30

returns Totally. I loved

28:32

that one. It's definitely a

28:35

Danish. Yeah of all Danny DeVito

28:37

as grotesque

28:39

in human penguin absolutely

28:42

worked Michelle Pfeiffer as split

28:45

personality mentally destroyed

28:47

catwoman like Every

28:50

character in Batman returns is dealing

28:52

in some way with a crisis

28:54

of identity Who am

28:56

I what am I how many lives do

28:58

I have to lead to rebuild my personality?

29:01

Like you couldn't make a more Dan

29:04

Wells Batman movie if you tried

29:06

so Maybe

29:09

unpopular opinion. I was kind

29:11

of Matt on to I think most people

29:13

agree with you probably a popular opinion Yeah,

29:16

too far like if this was like

29:18

I felt like Tim Burton's like oh They'll

29:20

do my stick well. I'll just make money I'll

29:22

go further on my stick and this might be

29:25

what scared him away from being too weird in

29:27

the future Because it

29:29

was too weird for me. It was just

29:31

too gross too odd the

29:35

Narratives didn't click like why just falling

29:37

out a window and getting licked by

29:39

cats give you superpowers Right

29:41

like I bought and have superpowers.

29:44

They just brought her back to life. Okay

29:46

different. Okay. I think she had superpowers She

29:48

does some pretty superpowers stuff. She can suddenly

29:51

fight Suddenly

29:53

being able to fight me being able to

29:55

fight counts as superpowers I also think coming

29:57

back to life is a pretty good super

30:00

power. That's true. Yeah. So

30:02

like, like I bought, okay, you

30:04

get dumped in a vat of toxic waste and it makes

30:06

you have a weird smile. But

30:09

cats lick you back to life. And

30:12

the whole penguin thing, I'm like, he's so

30:14

gross. I loved him. I

30:16

mean, it's a good performance, but he's

30:19

so gross. I love how gross he

30:21

is. I love seeing his weird deformities.

30:23

I love watching him eat

30:25

a fish. Yeah. Oh, he just reminded

30:27

me of everything about the pain. I,

30:30

I love Batman Returns so much. And

30:32

my parents didn't like it. And I

30:34

remember after watching it, I

30:36

looked at them like, was your life

30:38

just changed? Because my life was just changed.

30:40

This has defined my visual

30:43

and psychological niche

30:46

for the rest of my life. And they

30:48

were both like, that's gross. We don't want you to watch it

30:50

anymore. So I

30:53

was shocked that anyone would not love that

30:55

movie as much as I did. What about

30:57

Mask of the Phantasm next year? I

30:59

did not see Mask of the Phantasm

31:02

until I was married. Oh, yeah. I

31:04

was probably 10 years later. It's incredible.

31:06

I wish I'd seen it earlier. It

31:09

is a genuinely great movie. It is.

31:11

It came out at a time when

31:13

I don't think most Americans took animation

31:15

seriously as an art form. And so

31:17

it didn't really get attention. I mean,

31:19

that same movie came out today. It

31:21

would be a huge hit. I saw

31:23

it because Roger Ebert just gushed

31:25

over it. His review of it

31:28

is just one of his more famous reviews. So

31:30

yeah. We gotta move

31:32

on. Let's see. RoboCupry.

31:34

Super Mario Brothers. We gotta

31:37

talk about Super Mario Brothers.

31:40

I actually have seen Super Mario Brothers. I have

31:43

too. It's awful. It's terrible. I'm so

31:45

glad to hear you say that because I thought

31:47

you were going to simply love it. I thought

31:49

I was going to say that it was great.

31:51

Because there has been a move to redeem the

31:53

original Super Mario Brothers like there was the Lucas

31:55

movies. And I just can't buy it. Like

32:00

but I just cannot take

32:02

that movie so many of

32:04

their creative decisions were just

32:07

two left field it doesn't work

32:09

as a Super Mario Brothers movie

32:12

and it doesn't really work as its

32:14

own thing either and I

32:16

think that the people who are trying to

32:20

Push it trying to redeem it are Mistaking

32:23

I enjoy campy movies. Yeah, this

32:25

is a good movie. It's

32:28

it's so bad It's not

32:30

even good with its own mythology It just does

32:32

not make any internal sense the

32:34

narrative doesn't make sense and it doesn't make

32:36

the decisions are so Dumb

32:38

like how did you make this movie

32:40

and be like, oh, I've played Super Mario

32:43

Brothers You know what? I

32:45

like Blade Runner. Can we make that

32:47

instead and yeah Well,

32:49

and I want to be clear here cuz I know people are

32:51

gonna yell at us If you like

32:53

the Super Mario Brothers movie, that's fine.

32:55

You can like it. You're not wrong

32:57

Yeah, you enjoy a thing and therefore

32:59

it is a thing you enjoy and

33:01

that makes it good, right and it

33:03

has great actors Yeah, so like and

33:05

it is weird like better to be

33:07

weird than bland. Mm-hmm, but wow

33:10

That's a movie. Yeah, so there

33:13

you go. All right, we're gonna do 1994

33:16

94 we only got through 10 years and then

33:18

yeah, okay, but I mean there are some bangers

33:20

We have to talk about in 94 94. Yeah,

33:22

crow Yeah,

33:25

the crow I've never seen the crew I haven't

33:27

actually seen the crow either I've read the comic

33:29

I haven't seen the indie comic back in the

33:31

days when that didn't happen as often Ethan is

33:33

astounded by the way I don't know if you

33:35

heard that guy horrified really it is such an

33:37

Ethan movie fight because we haven't seen the crow

33:39

Yeah, I mean what's

33:42

that? Boy

33:44

the list of things we need to watch at

33:46

some point is yeah, we could watch

33:49

the crow I'd watch the crow Alright,

33:51

we'd have to talk about the Roger

33:53

Corman Fantastic Four I've not

33:55

seen it. I've got over anything's about it. And

33:57

I know you you love it. I legitimately love

33:59

it it. I

34:02

love it for partially camp reasons, but

34:04

so we've talked about that. What about

34:06

the mask? Okay, we talked about this

34:09

at the beginning of the other episode

34:11

we did. Well, the period

34:13

of time, which was apparently 94, 93,

34:17

when everyone was like, hey, you know what's big?

34:20

All those Batman movies. Let's

34:22

do our own. And then instead of

34:25

looking at like Iron Man

34:27

and Thor and stuff, they said,

34:29

how about this ancient radio stuff

34:31

that nobody under the age of

34:33

40 has ever heard of? And

34:36

they thought that would work. And so we got

34:38

a mask movie. Oh, no, I'm

34:40

thinking of Phantom. When's Phantom? Is that

34:42

the next year? Phantom of the Opera? No,

34:45

the Phantom with what's his bucket? I

34:48

have no idea. Yeah, there you go. The Phantom in 96. Okay,

34:51

yeah, the mask is Jim Carrey. That's different.

34:53

Yes. But the shadow. Okay, let's talk about

34:55

the shadow. We'll just skip the mask. We'll

34:57

come back to the mask. Okay. But

35:00

yeah, I assume what happened

35:02

is that old men running

35:05

the studios were like, what are kids

35:07

like these days? I remember superheroes

35:09

when I was a kid. I

35:11

went to the shadow with my dad,

35:13

and he loved it so

35:15

much that the movie is

35:17

burned into my brain as one of

35:20

my favorite movies.

35:22

Are we going experiences? Yes. Okay.

35:24

And I remember shots

35:26

from that movie. And

35:28

every one of them I remember, just

35:30

with incredible fondness. It was a very

35:33

visually stylistic movie. I liked that movie

35:35

more than Batman, Tim Burton's Batman. Really?

35:37

And I really liked Tim Burton's Batman.

35:39

To this day still. Going to see

35:41

your dad's childhood superhero made into a

35:43

movie and having him the whole time.

35:45

With your dad there. With my dad

35:47

and having him just love it. I

35:50

can see how that would be awesome. Yeah. So

35:52

I am very, very fond of that

35:54

movie. And of Alec Baldwin.

35:56

And of Alec Baldwin. And the. poses

36:00

at the top of stairs and Buildings

36:03

appearing out of nowhere and who knows

36:05

what evil lurks in the hearts of

36:07

men anyway Mm-hmm the shadow knows that's

36:09

awesome. So just absolutely love that much.

36:11

So your dad loved the shadow Yes, but

36:14

not the phantom. Nope, cuz it's the same

36:16

thing from the same period. He never talked

36:18

about the phantom It was the shadow that

36:20

he listened to the shadow because the shadow

36:23

was the edgy noir one. Ah and phantom

36:25

was White savior in

36:27

a jungle. Okay. So yeah Well,

36:31

all right, but we skipped over the mask. Okay, well,

36:33

I'll end the mask. Let's talk about the

36:35

mask Oh, right. Maybe here was also time

36:37

cup. We're not gonna talk about time cup. I've seen

36:39

time cup. You have seen time cup Yeah, is that

36:41

John Claude van Damme? Yeah. Yeah, that's

36:43

a shocking to me is me

36:46

not seeing RoboCop What why van Damme

36:48

is not a good actor, but

36:50

I've seen every Van Damme movie. I have you I

36:52

don't think I've seen any My

36:55

gosh every clip I've seen I'm like,

36:57

okay Whoever's listening

36:59

if Brandon ever gets kidnapped and disappears

37:01

for like a week It's not me

37:03

forcing him to watch the entire film

37:05

career of Jean-Claude van Damme I mean

37:08

we are narrative storytellers that try to

37:11

you know, look at new ways to

37:13

tell stories and things What is more

37:15

shocking not having seen Paul Vierhoven who

37:17

bucked the Hollywood trend and did satire

37:20

without people knowing it Or

37:22

a guy who's good at kicking people Okay,

37:24

but he is so good at kicking people

37:30

He does a stunt in one of

37:32

his movies where he jumps onto the

37:34

front of a moving car Runs along

37:37

the top and jumps off the back

37:39

and it's actually him and filmed in

37:41

real time. It's amazing I have seen

37:43

Chris Farley do the splits And

37:46

jump up and it was done

37:49

in real time but reversed And

37:51

it was really him. Have you seen

37:53

that? That Beverly Hills ninja Yeah,

37:57

okay. So let's talk about the mask

37:59

now be our final thing we talk

38:01

about this episode. And there's no

38:03

superhero movies after 1994, so

38:05

we'll never do this again. Yeah,

38:08

I'm sure we will. We will never sit down

38:10

and be like, what can we need? Oh, we

38:14

never finished that list. We're not going to do that. No,

38:16

that's never going to happen. No, that's not going to happen.

38:18

I'm going to go home and watch Darkman again. And

38:21

that's all that's going to happen. Yeah, we

38:23

don't have anything to say at all about

38:25

the Joel Schumacher Batman movies that came after.

38:27

That's not something that we want to talk

38:29

about. Now,

38:32

Sylvester Stallone's Judge Dred. Oh my gosh.

38:34

No, no, we have nothing to say

38:36

about those.

38:39

Okay, so the mask. This

38:41

was really like Jim Carrey's

38:44

huge breakout movie, wasn't it? He did

38:47

a syndrome. Okay, so he was already

38:49

big. But the mask is

38:51

when I started taking him seriously, because it

38:54

was awesome. It was watching an actual

38:56

cartoon character on live action.

38:59

Like Ace Ventura felt like watching a Saturday Night Live

39:01

skit. It was just never ended. And

39:05

I'm like, it's funny, but it's not. But

39:07

the mask was like, wow, this

39:09

guy can do stuff. And I

39:11

don't know what is the CG and

39:14

the animation and what is him. And

39:16

really sincerely enjoyed it. Shocked that they

39:18

didn't make sequels immediately that had to

39:20

wait so long that they made like

39:23

the dumb. Yeah, that they had to make the sound

39:25

of the mask. Like, it's the sort of thing that

39:27

they should have just immediately had him under contract and

39:29

done another one two years later. Mask

39:32

was also I know it was the huge

39:34

breakout movie for Cameron Diaz. Oh,

39:36

was it? Yeah. Okay. And I'm sorry to be the guy

39:38

that's just mentioning all the girls that were in all the

39:40

movies. But I was 18 when this came out. I

39:43

thought that was a pretty important part of the movie. But

39:48

I like the mask a lot. How's

39:50

that, Ben?