Ken Gullette talks with Nabil Ranne almost three years after Nabil's first appearance on the podcast. Nabil is a disciple of Chen Yu (the son of Chen Zhaokui and grandson of Chen Fake). After he interviewed Nabil in 2020, Ken began studying with him. In this interview, Ken tries to get "into the weeds" with Nabil and discuss details that you don't often hear in martial arts interviews -- details about body method and other principles that are taught with a different emphasis by Chen Yu. Nabil lives in Berlin with students in Germany and internationally. He has a website at https://ctnd.de and he also has an online "school" at https://ctn.academy. The interview runs one hour six minutes. Ken also teaches through his website, offering lessons on video and live Zoom classes. His website is www.internalfightingarts.com.