Jon Koppel joins Kate to talk about how so many people mask their sadness, but you wouldn't necessarily know from outward appearances. Jon and Kate went to high school together, so they get into how Kate seemed really happy, but was actually hiding a lot of pain. They also discuss how scary it is to look at your dark places without shame, but that it's possible to do so in a way where you can then move forward in a new more positive direction.

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