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seasons last week

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week be a star brittney griner with sentences

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and nine years in a russian prison

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rainer was arrested one week before

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russia invaded ukraine brittney

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griner is the case is there any reiner

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was arrested reiner russia sitting on the

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a sovereign grind are eating detained grind montana

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tensions rash of between russia and the last

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over last invasion of ukraine russian

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authorities said she had cannabis oil

1:04

innovate ten as soon as i saw

1:07

the video

1:07

her airports

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i said oh no that's

1:11

kimberly sincerely and vernon a

1:13

doctoral student who focuses on the black

1:15

experience in russia offense

1:17

that makes you go as it is it's my mind

1:20

as it is

1:20

the prison because of the timing to

1:23

me the timing is what life me

1:26

now the personally work on the

1:28

street and that it was going

1:30

to be an uphill fight and fight see

1:32

what's going to be used as much as he cared

1:34

for by some leverage and she's right

1:37

brittney griner is being used for leverage

1:40

there's the obviously is like a prisoner

1:42

swap being negotiated by the bite his

1:44

administration but also

1:46

in less obvious ways

1:48

reza can now play on america's

1:50

racial tensions and make outlandish

1:53

request during hostas negotiations

1:56

sees black sea gay and it's is

1:58

a marijuana case

1:59

the three biggest issues in

2:02

the united states and turns domestic politics right

2:05

marijuana convictions lgbtq

2:07

issues if have like races and

2:09

the car through system

2:10

today we're looking at this perfect storm

2:13

and going back in time to understand a

2:15

long history of russia using american

2:17

reception

2:18

for it's own political gain

2:23

they talk about prisoners slap between

2:26

the united states and russia presses

2:28

asking the us to free the ricin

2:31

arms dealer named victor boots

2:33

and a convicted murderer that eames

2:36

classic costs and ,

2:38

the us would get brittney griner and

2:40

a former marine his also been detained

2:43

detained wheel and as someone who

2:45

studies russia how likely do you think

2:47

that is so

2:50

this been interesting the

2:52

way is that the public knows about

2:54

a potential prisoner swap right now this

2:56

is unprecedented usually the public finds

2:59

out after

3:00

pat yes yes of so nice

3:02

way we're in uncharted territory yeah

3:04

i think the prisoner swap what happened because

3:07

russia wants victor boot months before

3:09

brittany runners arrested they were talking

3:12

about pick your boots

3:12

i think it'll happen

3:14

have fun and happen

3:16

it up for debate yeah but

3:18

also

3:19

russia has already set they're not

3:21

they do a two for one fly

3:23

they're not gonna let us have brittney griner

3:25

paul whalen perfect but they would want a minimum

3:27

of two particles which is why they mentioned by the

3:29

and cross because who

3:31

it would like is an assassin he murdered

3:33

someone in broad daylight

3:35

in berlin pure garden the

3:37

lightning like someone being killed like down the street

3:39

from congress in broad daylight of

3:42

the he's serving time for murder in a german prison

3:45

i think this is russia things

3:47

well we know you want her you

3:49

have said in every press conference about reading

3:51

are that he wants to get you everything to get her back so

3:53

why not give us by the classic us but

3:56

, think another part of this attack back

3:58

to the war when you

3:59

about the biggest european supporters and

4:02

supporting meaning promising aid

4:04

to ukraine it's been the united states and germany

4:07

i feel like what rest is asking for

4:10

is a little absurd you know

4:12

like reza things that the u

4:14

s kind of runs all of it's allies the

4:16

way they run their allies and

4:18

so that of course you know the united states and

4:20

get somebody out of a german prison meanwhile

4:23

like you know biden doesn't necessarily

4:25

feel comfortable asking me comfortable this

4:27

because if during the ass

4:28

that if you probably wouldn't do it

4:30

though it it makes me like if they're really

4:32

insisting on a to for to deal like

4:34

i just feel like you know is pretty do

4:37

i don't think britain's doomed

4:40

my the united states

4:43

decides that viktor bout is worth

4:45

too much

4:46

the get back to russia

4:48

leverage russia has

4:51

not had over the united states

4:53

the cold or

4:54

the of the high profile american and

4:56

allow people focus on how very to sit

4:58

as a cigar nine years for such a small

5:01

amount like that's the point

5:03

if that either you make this deal

5:04

or the form of gonna third nine years and or us

5:07

prison here

5:08

so actually want to dig into some

5:10

histories a little bit and talk about

5:13

rest said african americans odyssey

5:15

during the cold war russian propaganda

5:18

often highlighted the poor treatment of black

5:20

americans in the us to call at american hypocrisy

5:23

you know prominent black americans like paul robeson

5:25

w e b the boys langston

5:27

hughes even traveled to the soviet union

5:30

in came back to the u s sort of

5:32

touting rak recess and sort of anti racists

5:34

utopia now brittney griner

5:37

a black woman is being used by russia

5:39

in russia different way can you walk

5:41

us through how russia has wielded

5:43

america as america result of isn't throughout history

5:46

absolutely

5:47

if we go back to the nineteen

5:49

twenties he saw him african americans

5:51

who are going to the soviet union are

5:54

interested in

5:55

the soviet experiment but also because the soviet

5:57

union frames itself internet

5:59

in an anti racist and anti colonial

6:02

state and enough

6:04

dirty a lot of go to

6:07

the soviet union for work i

6:09

mean the soviet union this point of having mass

6:11

industrialization so they don't have enough workers

6:13

who have the skills so they recruit

6:15

workers in america and they recruit african americans

6:18

in particular do because they know

6:20

what it's like to be back in the united states

6:22

yeah yeah yeah and i'll have you bought know like

6:24

the cotton grown in central asia says

6:27

dates back two african american specialist

6:29

from the tuskegee institute going

6:31

to central asia to help them learn

6:33

how to grow carlin irrigate cotton wow

6:36

and a lot of african americans who went to the soviet

6:38

union they thought as

6:40

well as possible particularly in the american

6:42

south

6:43

and unfortunately when they come

6:46

back

6:46

the united states many

6:49

of them

6:50

have to deny the get granted they have

6:52

because we're not like that he's if

6:54

you ninety voice if we talk get about the soviet

6:56

union you're going to lose your job they

6:59

came back to the red scare they

7:01

fundamentally had much better advances in the soviet

7:03

union that they didn't they the faith yeah

7:06

on the flip side when i when

7:08

i'm working on now is how

7:10

the image of suffering particularly

7:12

african americans are framed became the

7:14

controlling image of blacks

7:16

and so when you start having africa

7:18

feet and come in the span the

7:20

mid fifties onward

7:22

what's fascinating is when

7:24

african seasons we complain about racism

7:27

you know and they would write letters as

7:29

an african student who was killed in nineteen sixty

7:31

four and are protests by african students

7:33

and the so he in about this particular ma

7:35

scouts when they had meetings with

7:37

administrator the universe is a bubble what

7:40

you know about racism

7:41

this is a america this isn't the south

7:44

no idea what racism

7:45

so in many ways

7:47

russia has always

7:48

you'd have have back racism and

7:51

black suffering

7:52

for its own game it's used to

7:54

launder it's preppy

7:55

and

7:57

where britney represents

7:59

new

7:59

the terms

8:00

the treatment of african americans in russia because

8:05

see no longer have

8:06

the privilege so many african americans

8:08

had african americans were treated better than

8:10

africans and the soviet union african

8:13

spurred have seen as a little brothers who needed

8:15

socialists education and needed leadership

8:17

of the soviet union to obtain maternity

8:21

if he embodies all of this and

8:23

now we see all these discussions happening

8:25

in american public discourse

8:27

yeah it's so we like it did

8:29

in the sixties

8:30

when russia was beaming you

8:32

know pictures of what was happening mississippi louisiana

8:35

they were beaming those in the soviet union there were beaming

8:37

those across africa to be like this is what

8:39

america

8:39

that it's the same thing

8:42

and i think that kind of what's missing

8:45

is that britney if part

8:47

of something much larger and

8:49

much older in a lot of people

8:51

recognize

8:53

my understanding is that britney might

8:55

serve his sentence in a russian penal colony

8:58

these places are reported to be like rice the sexual

9:00

assault in abuse i'm i

9:02

haven't heard that they make had a pretty strands

9:05

arm and you know just imagining her

9:08

going through that is that is that that pence

9:11

you know as someone who's

9:13

an expert about on black folks and russia

9:15

how does that

9:15

you are thing

9:16

it out that the russian prison

9:18

system prison interesting so

9:21

my penal colonies

9:22

our direct descendant of the go og like

9:24

the in the ghoul august are descended from the way

9:26

the imperial prison system works

9:28

so

9:29

the penal colonies

9:30

like a camp like yeah barracks

9:32

and , of it's like doing labour manual labor

9:35

or selling on prisoner

9:37

uniforms are making furniture that's the thing

9:39

that started so cutting off

9:41

her dress is going to be possible

9:44

to prevent life

9:45

you're not in good conditions that all i'm

9:48

a fortunately i mean sexual assault

9:50

and it's violence is rampant across

9:53

the russian prison system the

9:55

benefit benefit for britney is that

9:58

see his

9:59

the

9:59

american because she's

10:02

so

10:02

high profile in russia needs that

10:04

leverage see will be much safer

10:07

then say like an african who

10:09

did russia and gets a know convicted at the

10:11

same thing

10:13

you'll be in better condition but it

10:15

also is she gonna be isolated

10:17

you know i keep thinking about leg brittany

10:20

his body as well like he knows he has six you

10:23

know see fix a cnc stress he's

10:25

black lace he really dislike sticks out

10:28

in russia and i've also

10:30

read that part of the reason she's

10:32

being held is because her poo and

10:34

season example of like what he sees

10:36

his lesson in immorality what do you think of

10:38

that couldn't have for

10:40

the past fifteen years has shown america

10:43

as an example of decadence in immorality

10:45

in an he used

10:48

that to oppress the lgbtq

10:50

community and russia us but also

10:53

of russia has engaged did

10:55

you know structural racism and it's

10:57

not necessarily gives african space

11:00

in russia central asian people from

11:02

the actual caucuses like jordan says

11:04

no real caucasians susan they're targeted

11:06

by the police they are often you know

11:09

targeted by skinhead groups and

11:11

white supremacist group

11:12

and nothing happens they are

11:14

investigated fit being

11:16

harper visible minority

11:18

and i mean i've been in ukraine

11:21

bulgaria serbia

11:22

brittany his body

11:24

the going to be read and understood and many

11:26

different ways her

11:29

hair i me i would i immediately

11:31

when i went to ukraine i did not have natural

11:33

hair have a natural hair and i had a nice long

11:35

straight we've put in because i'm like well maybe

11:37

people therapy as much for many people

11:40

should be different buffers i've ever seen or allies

11:42

i think the important parts remember

11:44

to

11:45

iraqis were she's going burson

11:48

prisoners are not supporters of the kremlin

11:50

the army i hope i get it i could

11:52

imagine yes the in a lot really

11:55

after serving time

11:57

for

11:58

protecting themselves again the man who have

12:00

try to kill them are beaten them because russia

12:03

decriminalize domestic violence

12:05

they are not oh yeah versus the currently

12:07

be criminalized thrusting you know domestic violence is actually

12:10

american who the prison right now

12:12

was using held right now because her boyfriend

12:15

on her russia boyfriend got intoxicated

12:17

he attacked her to like ticket nice to defend herself

12:19

snare also lgbtq women

12:22

who were imprisoned for violating

12:24

the law that says he promoted immoral

12:26

lifestyles

12:28

so at this point how can americans

12:30

best advocate for granted to lease but

12:32

i kinda think like maybe we said it the

12:35

met just causes more

12:36

problem

12:38

the rock and a hard place

12:40

the biggest thing as too

12:44

merge britney and paul wheel and cases

12:47

in how we talk about them

12:50

because

12:51

it's really easy

12:52

detractors the say you only care about britney

12:55

gonna because he's back and she's gay paul wayland

12:57

and serving sixteen years of he straighten his wife

12:59

mail

13:01

they're both wrongfully detained both of their families

13:04

have been suffering however family

13:06

for over four years try to get them back studying

13:08

merging them together is helpful because

13:10

it's these awful lot of these

13:13

bad faith arguments

13:15

about bring his case but also

13:18

showing support

13:20

where the by an administration and i mean

13:22

we have tons of reasons

13:24

to jump on a by the administration

13:27

and we sit for those reasons but insists

13:29

asia for briefcase they really

13:31

are doing everything that they actually can

13:33

to get hurt mopped and i think

13:36

i have to talk about

13:38

britney was

13:39

they cleared wrongfully detained months

13:41

before other americans who have been

13:43

declared wrongfully detain she got that designation

13:46

very early see got a call

13:48

in a letter from the president's from sector see

13:51

an easily blink and for the national security advisor

13:53

she got all those

13:55

the earlier

13:56

the other americans or jack most

13:58

of americans whose

13:59

iraq we did amish over sixty three

14:02

their families haven't gotten that poem family

14:04

got a phone call after britney family so

14:06

i think it's important to remember that because

14:09

see they have made her priority

14:12

iran you have shown that he the power these

14:14

ah but these are things easier discuss

14:16

in the news neither generally happened in the dark and we

14:19

don't know about them until they're done saving

14:21

the fact that we know this much information as important

14:23

well thank you so much kimberly for

14:26

doing this today this is really really

14:27

thank you for having me

14:30

thanks

14:30

kinda anything julian fine and

14:33

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14:35

of pennsylvania who writes about the black

14:37

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14:39

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tweeting about my favorite nigerian singer

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these on repeat in my house and

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i love babylon as video sexy

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writing anyway she

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wrote this about tense friends

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and back these and

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body and voice and

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on top of that see as nigerian

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how can one woman a have it all one

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thing about nigerians is that they're

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gonna gas of themselves and each

16:25

other and honestly they

16:27

have a reason see because right now

16:29

we're in the midst of a nigerian moments

16:33

afro beats i'd is like my beloved hams

16:35

burner boy

16:36

in

16:40

with kid

16:45

pretty litter it's an emerging

16:48

ambitious tour is in the world

16:50

of literature there been a number of

16:52

breakout hits like my sister the serial

16:54

killer abololo as instant

16:56

best seller and some yeah to game

16:58

is book children of blood and bone

17:00

which is being adapted into a movie but

17:03

nigerian communities and cultures

17:06

have been in the us for ages so

17:08

wise all of this happening now

17:10

we're in this moment because wine

17:13

nine juri our has such a huge diaspora

17:16

because of that were in a space

17:18

where anything coming out of manger

17:21

yeah can be really transferred

17:23

and distributed amongst the diverse

17:26

group of people in all these differing

17:28

senses outside of nigerians

17:30

that's i'm iraqi and will see you see

17:32

the nigerian american filmmaker an

17:35

artist that experience working it in entertainment

17:37

and music she's also the founder

17:39

as melanin unscripted a production

17:42

studio that makes stories about complex

17:44

identities and co

17:45

we're all coming to his face

17:47

of wanting to understand our identity

17:49

our culture ourselves more and

17:51

especially as black people around

17:53

the world on people are really looking

17:55

south africa for those answer

17:57

so one thing that's also been

17:59

playing

17:59

in spreading after the if it's tic

18:02

tac i'm pretty sure the first

18:04

time ever and seek a song loved ones he

18:06

he was on sick talk

18:10

how much as afrobeat

18:13

becoming mainstream the you think is because

18:15

of tic tac social media as a

18:17

whole has played a huge role like

18:19

my

18:20

the night stands in you

18:22

know been disconnected from what was

18:24

happening on the ground in nigeria be

18:26

closed for like ten years i wasn't indices

18:28

were lights my parents could afford to

18:30

take me back and so

18:33

in that time period i got exposed

18:35

a lot of what would happen

18:36

what inspired needs also be

18:38

able to pay for my own sick it's ago

18:41

was things like instagram and twitter

18:43

because you know i was seeing like

18:45

these movements happening like parties

18:47

express

18:47

in fashion culture best

18:49

i was in a those who traditionally

18:52

on mainstream media you're thinking about

18:54

what's in high school they were showing

18:56

africa through was like feed the children

18:59

videos those infomercials

19:01

that were you know by non need

19:03

that ultimately were propelling this image

19:06

of despair around africa and so

19:08

you know i have to look at the everyday person

19:10

and the best way to do that in sensor that

19:12

poor dogs

19:13

through instagram withdrew following

19:15

people that i admired i think

19:17

the biggest impact we've seen

19:20

coming from niger and music is

19:22

afro beads are just like burn a

19:24

boy with kids hands ck

19:26

you know they're talking decide to selling at concerts

19:29

the regular like reagan bmc and system

19:32

be birds and that you

19:34

know i think salad city

19:36

laid the groundwork for

19:38

these other ideas

19:43

he proc about sale as impacts

19:45

an how those artists are like following

19:48

in his footsteps but also like making

19:50

new path for themselves yeah so

19:53

i mean rv see like select who sees

19:55

a sigh

19:55

the arab afrobeat founder

19:57

of this afrobeat sound then

19:59

the thing that's really unique about ally

20:02

is the fact that he really celebrated

20:04

his manger and heritage and culture

20:07

but he was also very critical of

20:09

it in many ways of likes of

20:11

the revolutionary how do we think

20:13

beyond the binds of our own

20:15

identities but also explore

20:17

connect with people outside of

20:19

our culture and staff be

20:21

sound average a nation of they took from

20:24

pseudo elements a black american culture

20:26

like giant like fund like soul

20:28

arm and sellout always says you know music as

20:30

a very spiritual being and you have to be conscious

20:33

of how you use music and i

20:35

with that momentum arm i

20:37

think he really set this

20:38

these for afro fusion

20:41

on which is now what we're seeing really transcend

20:43

globally where people are pulling

20:46

things like rmd like hip hop eventually

20:48

the great a time or caribbean

20:51

music dance high cetera

20:53

and has kind of created this whole the found

20:55

but cel i really set the stage for

20:57

that and now we have you know them

21:00

art is that you mentioned earlier am

21:02

who i feel like are now coming

21:04

into their own finding their own

21:06

sound and developments but also kind of setting

21:09

the stage for the next generation to have

21:11

freedom and taking risk and not always

21:13

going in the traditional route

21:15

like you know a lot of people know bernard

21:17

today but i also wanna give

21:19

a big credits are the odds a movement

21:22

that started in nigeria or

21:24

what's happening at this time is the same essence

21:26

that fella had they realize you know it's

21:29

we don't wanna meet the traditional afrobeat

21:31

sound like we wanna do things that

21:33

might be identified more hip hop or

21:36

like electronics yeah you know to

21:38

the falling off as that i love

21:40

the song essence ah but

21:43

i really don't think don't think that justin bieber

21:45

remixes

21:49

that you know factually the remix

21:51

they do better than the original and

21:53

i'm wondering you know would love to get your perspective

21:56

of this like is it better to do collaboration

21:58

that might not be it's the culture necessarily

22:02

the you need these kinds of collaboration and or it's

22:04

it's hearts you know true to the culture etc

22:06

like what do you mean by that also who like

22:08

is another side quests in but i'm interesting

22:10

to get your perspective of that i think

22:13

sometimes a lot

22:14

the decisions are made by

22:16

the labels them some men often

22:18

times these labels are gonna make decisions

22:20

based on like what they know and

22:23

what they feel like is going to work for

22:25

the demographics they understand

22:27

i'm so

22:28

in a situation like essays

22:30

featuring justin bieber who's

22:32

to say that if maybe

22:33

brianna or beyond say were available

22:36

they wouldn't have been on the song but i

22:38

also do think it's important are always

22:41

the critical an understanding and his senses

22:43

like it was primarily

22:45

and as

22:46

in american community that really

22:48

made that song what it was in the you

22:50

are but also i don't feel like it's

22:52

my right to judge or make

22:55

somebody feel like they're not able to collaborate

22:57

outside of their cultural group because

23:00

you know beyond say can have a song

23:02

with lady gaga why can't whiz kid

23:04

thames and justin bieber have a record

23:06

yeah so yeah you

23:08

know obviously nigerian obviously

23:11

nigerian cultures aren't a monolith

23:14

what other kinds of music are we missing

23:16

out on

23:16

south africa we have our my piano

23:19

that massive right now which are b

23:21

c is like afro house music

23:23

in gonna like some of the traditional

23:26

sounds of course are like high licenses

23:31

you know with as soon as full power the current

23:33

afrobeat sound coming out of gonna

23:35

as well and while like again it's

23:37

really easy to put everything under

23:39

afrobeat these artists have

23:41

their own approach to their own instruments

23:44

that there are similarly using this

23:46

so many different things taking place on

23:48

the continent right now and it's definitely destiny

23:50

not limited some major yet all

23:53

year

23:54

you know we've been talking primarily

23:56

about music where lcc nigerian

23:59

culture making it's way into the us

24:01

stream

24:02

one or the day ways nigerian

24:04

culture has made it's way is obviously do

24:06

literature very early you know we

24:08

had seen wide seve who created

24:11

things fall apart

24:12

no many of us know reading that

24:14

early on in school or but

24:16

then followed by people like chimamanda

24:18

ngozi adichie creating american us

24:21

and now giving a lens the what is it like

24:23

been an african immigrants in america

24:26

one thing that i'm seeing i think

24:28

it it does a report that came out actually

24:30

earlier this month that said like

24:33

the biggest seed rounds of fundings

24:35

across the world are going to africa

24:37

and nine two years one in the biggest spaces

24:39

for that people are in that's

24:41

been in in the same coming out

24:43

of the no because the reality is that the average

24:46

per

24:46

then in sub saharan africa between

24:49

the ages of sixteen and thirty

24:51

five

24:51

that's a very young

24:53

demographics you know it's a space

24:56

read this new generation are thinking beyond

24:58

even what is popular right now i'm

25:01

but it's highlands there is now with

25:03

the limited near

25:04

it online juri and youth because the truth

25:06

the gnarly would industry has

25:08

really created a space for young narratives

25:11

yes with there's growing

25:13

demographic of young people on

25:15

the continent of africa

25:17

netflix has been one of the biggest

25:19

investors in terms

25:20

the concentration coming out

25:22

of the com in it and with that has

25:24

come you know narratives light

25:26

blood and water that are that is on

25:28

netflix about south african use

25:31

things now it's looking at netflix to invest

25:33

in the young and you demographic

25:36

they're suing those stories but also empowering

25:38

people behind the scenes

25:40

that can tell those stories authentically

25:43

yeah

25:43

even deserve this that nigerian

25:45

culture becomes a stand in for african

25:47

cultures i kept thinking about when

25:50

i am from by bit of known i was growing up lakes

25:52

jamaican culture with caribbean culture

25:56

and it was like the same side is that a bit late the

25:58

jamaicans i swear with used to make it

25:59

the bigger country to make it has it's like

26:02

very good music in for sexier

26:04

you know and it wasn't until god bless

26:06

or yeah came along and finally people looted

26:08

points of barbados on a map just

26:11

site which are making culture in the early two

26:13

thousand or the nine be than the eighties

26:15

were be without a caribbean costs a was omega

26:17

but you know i think now

26:20

when we think

26:20

caribbean culture like it's not just limited

26:23

knifing thousands had more artists to come

26:25

out eating also jimmy could

26:27

set the stage for more caribbean

26:29

students to come from different countries

26:32

whether be trinidad or barbados i you

26:34

mentioned so i think now what

26:36

is happening is that like vivid challenge

26:38

because i don't think it's up to nine juri in

26:40

people perceive to be the ones

26:42

to tell other cultures and i'm

26:44

spaces to be like oh you guys

26:46

should go propel your music the same way we

26:49

but i think what it's doing is inspiring

26:52

a moment some that other people can follow

26:54

there's definitely a gateway that's

26:57

been open and i don't think the gateway

26:59

i'm has an open just for a nine jane artists

27:01

and creators

27:04

i'm iraqi thank you so much

27:06

this is such a good time to see sin am

27:08

i hope the insulated to

27:10

yeah thank you so much tracy i

27:12

really appreciate this conversation

27:14

in such as you said also and

27:16

the yard been a minute

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thanks again for i'm iraqi and will see you

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i'm tracey hunt and i'm here with

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two people you might already know from their stints

28:36

guest hosting this so close

28:39

it's cohosts be a parker

28:41

and move and from all things

28:43

considered one of summers

28:45

hey there

28:47

we're here to play game called who

28:49

said that

28:52

the workmen in my chair before seeing already

28:54

know the rules that are giving a refresher

28:57

anyway i'll see a quote you

28:59

might have heard in a news this week and you

29:01

had to guess who said that or

29:04

what it's about there are no bothered

29:06

to yell at the answer there is zero prizes

29:09

and a former guest host of it's been a minute access

29:12

to both of you to bring your a games who

29:14

are a i'm

29:18

not a competitive person with

29:20

what you are today for the next census fifteen

29:23

minutes i the fight to the death

29:25

is applied to the death so here's the

29:27

first clothes maybe

29:29

the best way to describe what i'm up

29:31

to his evolution i'm here to tell

29:33

you that i'm evolving

29:34

away from kenneth also

29:37

reno

29:39

heard the other things that are important

29:43

that the one i thought you like

29:45

these are i'm vince high up before he said

29:47

nice i know the live here can't see us

29:49

on sale but i wasn't i wasn't like panama knowing the serve

29:51

other my serve would be really ugly because

29:53

i have like see last season i'm not athletic

29:55

and all of the so

29:57

if it's high okay so

29:59

that srinivas the am from an interview in

30:01

vog this league see is transitioning

30:03

away from being an athlete's to focus

30:05

on her family and her venture capital

30:07

firms have you feel about serene

30:09

are retiring i feel like it's certainly like an end

30:12

of an era of mean that don't want her

30:14

to go but also

30:15

though

30:16

you have the didn't know

30:18

no like what yeah what else to see have left

30:20

to prove it before he says i don't

30:23

see go see as the goes right

30:25

goes right i read the world peace and

30:27

at first i i felt really sad because

30:29

i love watching her compete and she mean so much

30:31

but then i was thinking about it and

30:33

i'm really happy for her because she's leading on hurt arms

30:36

she's going to do it she wants to do and see also

30:38

use this platform to make but i think

30:40

with a really powerful statement about motherhood

30:42

and black motherhood and me really

30:45

hard and frankly unfair choices that

30:47

women athletes and childbearing athletes have to

30:49

mates that their mail and

30:50

the childbearing outerbridge don't have to make

30:53

so she did at all she's done the thanks i'm

30:55

i'm happy she's going to do what she wants it this

30:57

year to do this issue where a man i don't

30:59

know we may retire

31:01

yeah like of i guess you know like this

31:04

is named nidal i don't know men

31:06

rafale that i get my

31:08

, their man who were like

31:10

in her generation tennis

31:12

players who are still competing president

31:15

has a ticker their own soldiers of this or

31:18

any better than we have to remember right as serrano

31:20

williams almost died giving birth

31:22

to olympia she had olympia she for matic

31:24

medical experience of one of the things that she talked

31:26

about his house he went from

31:29

and while breastfeeding i believe she won the australian

31:31

open when she was she a months pregnant she's gone

31:34

through all these files all the things that a man

31:36

would never have to consider when she says very clearly

31:38

let's i don't want to be pregnant

31:40

while being a competitive athlete at the top of my game

31:42

against it's not something i'm interested in doing

31:44

a match see any map my point is like that's a choice

31:46

that the rafale models of the rubble now

31:48

ever have to make men

31:51

being a woman is a ghetto sometimes i'm sorry

31:57

my next levine

31:59

the minute that i'm marie claire this sucks and okay

32:05

so notes quotes quill images

32:07

a year ago i was willing to walk

32:10

away from music because i was tired of the negative

32:12

energy that attracted but what i've learned

32:14

is that even when i'm minding my business

32:17

y'all gonna be negative and nosy so

32:19

if i can have peace neither can you

32:21

i'm coming back cry about it

32:24

oh now oh

32:26

now is city really

32:29

the lid we gonna have to say

32:31

now so negative and i'm

32:34

gonna give you a heads up you can walk a mile

32:36

in her liberty's

32:38

iggy azalea

32:39

yeah

32:41

oh she can stay home

32:43

the

32:48

oh

32:49

it is like girl who asked

32:52

like

32:53

what

32:56

now

32:56

right now what now yes yes

32:58

the quote azalea big so what what

33:03

okay so i've last

33:06

word last on the link is

33:08

closing it's italian restaurants goodbye

33:11

forever to hawaiians with pineapple

33:13

dom

33:14

the

33:15

i'm a trash humid and i stand

33:17

by my

33:17

the choices

33:20

no downloaded clothing it's restaurant

33:22

in italy

33:24

well why would they in italy requests

33:26

, most eaten

33:29

domino's cause domino's am also as her as human

33:32

but like

33:32

try to the real ones for i was you put

33:35

that lived parker maybe this answers

33:37

your question as to why they were there in the first place

33:39

stats of a headline in italian business

33:42

news outlet a fiery italiana

33:44

he soon does that does sound like a restaurant

33:46

that you would go to

33:47

the yard sorry

33:49

we're such attack you and me musky passions

33:52

domino's pizza disclose its

33:54

last thirteen stores teen

33:57

in italy when they first launch

33:59

their and twenty

33:59

fifteen bay plan to open eight hundred and

34:02

eighty story huh and they promise

34:04

quote unquote purely italian

34:06

ingredients and their us

34:08

style delivery service but

34:10

dominoes italia with ultimately

34:13

done in by the pandemic only the pandemic

34:15

and a bustling delivery market for mom

34:17

and pop pizza restaurants child

34:19

dominoes we hardly knew ye

34:22

look even your fancy s italian traveler needs

34:24

the joy of dipping their overcooked domino's

34:26

pizza and some ranch

34:28

the macro a little garlic butter sauce

34:30

i think i did manage to be a global experience

34:33

are you doing

34:35

i'm from missouri i do a lot of questionable things

34:37

with my food that's why

34:39

you see to personal one and minutes

34:41

to get for you because way thank you thank

34:43

you thousand

34:47

actually there's a moment through dominoes there is

34:49

some their the moment for dominoes i like

34:51

a hawaiian pizza i'm not gonna lie

34:54

i'm i like a little sweet with my

34:56

savory kind of combination who

34:59

do you think we're the italians going to dominoes

35:01

to dominoes

35:03

experts

35:04

american tourist

35:06

you know they're not italians okay

35:08

iran maybe

35:10

for dominance is no longer there is

35:13

also bride of it yeah it play little

35:15

areas that they're blaming

35:16

endemic but

35:18

okay

35:20

parker dot to

35:22

and wanna got to

35:24

for your trade that's how i like

35:26

it okay the complex to

35:28

leeman congratulations to both

35:30

of us parker's wanna

35:33

thank you so much for playing st yeah

35:35

this is fun

35:36

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35:39

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