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himbos of our age is Lance

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The Other Two is about two siblings, Carrie

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and Brooke Dubek, who are trying to break into

1:05

the entertainment industry just as

1:07

their younger brother becomes a Justin Bieber-esque

1:10

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1:23

love interest, is somehow the only

1:25

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1:25

guy among a sea of morally flexible

1:28

status climbers. He's a bright spot

1:30

of positivity in the show's general

1:32

cynicism. And the actor who

1:34

plays Lance, Josh Segarra, he

1:37

brings that same positive energy off

1:39

the screen. Can I get a nice big

1:42

let's go from you? Of course you

1:44

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Josh, Sa-gara, welcome to It's

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Been a Minute. Thanks a lot, Brittany. Fun

3:39

to be here. So something

3:41

that I noticed in the third

3:44

season of The Other Two specifically is that

3:46

like your character is shirtless

3:48

in almost every episode

3:51

of the season. Like there's a couple of times where

3:53

it's just he's in public, just no

3:55

shirt on. Like is that something they asked

3:58

you to do or is that a character choice?

3:59

that you made. Brittany, let's talk

4:02

about this, okay? Let's talk about this.

4:04

Now, I think that honestly just started as

4:06

a bit and ended

4:08

as a full-on gag. Just

4:10

like how hilarious would it be

4:13

if Lance is just shirtless at random

4:15

times, you know, just in a Broadway theater,

4:18

sleeping shirtless. I

4:20

had a good time with it, Brittany, I did. You

4:24

know, how much more free

4:27

can you be at work when you're walking around

4:29

in, you know, random neighborhood

4:31

in New York City just heading to

4:33

and from work with a robot because you're

4:36

shirtless that day, you know?

4:38

To talk a little bit about how

4:40

you got onto the other two,

4:44

we gotta talk a little bit about how the character of Lance

4:47

originated, like Lance is the

4:49

nicest, sweetest, kindest,

4:52

most thoughtful person. And he's done a

4:54

variety of jobs over the

4:56

course of the series, like being a streetwear

4:59

shoe designer, I'm kind of dabbling

5:01

in fame himself. But he was originally

5:03

meant to be like this bookish

5:06

guy who worked at a medieval times,

5:08

like restaurant. Obviously, that

5:10

didn't happen. We read that

5:12

your audition caused the writers

5:15

to change the character, so he was more similar

5:17

to like some of your

5:19

characteristics. Like I wonder, what elements

5:21

of Lance did they full-on base

5:23

off of you or your performance

5:26

in your audition? Where

5:28

are the similarities between

5:29

you and Lance? Well,

5:32

I don't know if I could actually answer that question. You'd

5:34

have to ask Chris and Sarah so they can give

5:36

you the truth. For the listeners out there, those

5:39

are the writers of the other two. I guess

5:41

one day they came up to give me a note early

5:44

on and it was like, you know, can you try

5:46

this? And I was like, hell yeah. And they're like, okay,

5:49

well, now hell yeah, is

5:51

how he responds to everything. That's

5:53

what Chris and Sarah have given me, the opportunity to

5:55

make this character my own. You

5:57

know, there's a line in the first episode of season.

5:59

three of the other two, and we're

6:02

talking to some guests at the Night Nurse premiere. And

6:05

I say to Brooke, I'm like, yeah, remember,

6:08

you watch all seasons of Survivor. And

6:10

Grey's Anatomies plus all of the Circle?

6:12

Oh, God. I watched so much pandemic

6:15

TV, but I couldn't do the

6:16

Circle. Oh, God, no. Yeah,

6:19

yeah, no, I didn't watch the Circle. The

6:21

line is Grey's Anatomy, but my mom

6:24

says Grey's Anatomies. It's a very Puerto

6:26

Rican way of saying it. And

6:28

Sarah K. Oateson, she's like, did you say Grey's Anatomy?

6:31

So I was like, yes, that's Puerto Rican. And

6:33

she's like, great, that's staying in

6:35

the cut, you know? And

6:37

those are things that they let me play with. I

6:39

grew up in Orlando. I also worked at this spot called

6:42

the Just For Feet, which is an athletic

6:44

shoe store, Just For Feet.

6:45

Just For Feet. That's not what I thought.

6:48

The shoe store is other person. I don't know

6:50

if I yet. We used to wear red polos and whistles around,

6:52

and there was a half court, little basketball court there. There

6:55

was an oncement in Springs, Florida, where I grew up. So

6:59

maybe they didn't even need to know that I worked at

7:01

Just For Feet to know that I had the look of somebody that worked

7:03

at an athletic shoe store. You know, he

7:05

works at the Foot Locker, and he's an inspiring shoe designer.

7:08

And when we meet him, and I

7:10

forever remember that first scene where I'm sitting down with

7:12

the doobags at dinner, you know,

7:14

and Pat, you know, momma doobags. She's like, so Lance,

7:16

what have you been working

7:17

on? You know what? I actually came up with three new ideas

7:19

for shoes today. One, places

7:21

on the bottom. Two, shoes but

7:24

invisible. Three, edible

7:26

shoes. Wait, I'm sorry. So you

7:28

just walk around in the shoes all day and then eat

7:30

them? Hell yeah. If you're hungry. Oh, my

7:32

God. And let's be clear,

7:35

there are some ideas that we have come up

7:37

with on the show that

7:39

I've seen

7:40

played out in real life. OK, there

7:43

is a dry erase shoe now that

7:46

you can take a marker and draw

7:48

on the side of the shoe. And I believe Nike makes

7:50

it for you. There was also a full

7:52

on fashion show that I saw last year

7:55

with see through panels.

7:57

OK, so there

7:59

was some.

7:59

Somebody's watching the other two and deciding

8:03

that Lance is an incredible designer. I

8:06

need my boy Lance, not me, but I need my boy

8:08

Lance to get some residuals. I need

8:11

somebody to tell some a couple of coins. Exactly.

8:14

Cut Lance a check. Let's go.

8:16

So you

8:18

play Lance, of course, fantastically.

8:21

And Lance has been embraced by fans of the show for

8:25

being what I have called

8:27

the platonic ideal of a himbo. I

8:29

wonder, and I'm not the only person that you can

8:32

Google it. It comes up. This is not

8:34

just a tweet of mine from last fall. What

8:36

do you see as the essential characteristics

8:39

of a himbo?

8:40

I think fiercely loyal

8:42

is the first thing that comes to mind. Fiercely

8:45

loyal, good natured, and

8:47

fun. You know, just fun. He's

8:49

trying to have a good time. You know, like,

8:52

come on now.

8:53

Ain't that serious all the time? You

8:55

know what I'm saying? Like, he's just trying to have a good time.

8:58

Like, remember that scene when Brooke

9:00

is like, well, what things are classic

9:02

Brooke? To Lance, these

9:05

things are amazing. He's like, Brooke always

9:07

has deodorant on the outside of her clothing.

9:10

Doesn't brush your

9:10

teeth. Well, no, not at night. I want to go to sleep next.

9:13

She lies for fun. She steals from Starbucks.

9:15

She never drinks water. She falls asleep during

9:17

play. Okay, no, no, no, no. I don't know. I

9:20

want to stop. Yo, that's awesome.

9:22

That's so good about you. I love

9:25

that about you, Brookie Monster. You know?

9:28

I love it. It's good. It's

9:30

good.

9:31

Those are three qualities I think anybody would want

9:33

in somebody who's going to be close to them, you know? Absolutely.

9:36

I think about that gym scene between Lance

9:38

and Carrie. You know, Carrie's sitting there on the bench

9:40

and he's all stressed about watch what happens live.

9:43

Then all of a sudden, Lance walks in. He's like, oh, hell

9:45

yeah. And he sits there and Carrie's

9:47

telling him, like, yo, I'm just insecure, man. You

9:50

know, like, what if I don't look good shirtless,

9:52

you know? Listen to

9:54

me. You are a beautiful

9:56

man and your body is tight. Say,

10:01

I am a beautiful

10:03

man and my body is tight. Good.

10:07

Do we all need a lance at that moment in time?

10:09

We all feel that way at times in our

10:11

life where you just questioning yourself and

10:14

are you good enough or people gonna like you?

10:17

And here's somebody that

10:18

loves you and loves

10:21

you hard and thinks your

10:23

body is tight, you know? And

10:25

like just really, really

10:27

positive and builds you up.

10:29

He's right or die, you know?

10:31

When you need somebody to come in and just give

10:33

you a hug and a kiss, he's there

10:36

for you, you know? Like

10:38

I love playing him for that reason. I

10:40

love it.

10:41

To pivot and to like

10:43

go galaxy brain. I love galaxy brain.

10:46

It feels like hymbos are having

10:48

a moment. I've seen it come up just with so

10:50

many different TV shows and films. Why do

10:52

you think hymbos

10:53

are having a moment right now? I

10:58

won't speak for the masses. I'll speak for myself.

11:01

The hymbos that I grew up on

11:04

are the ones that are affecting my performances

11:06

now, okay? So that is

11:08

Billy Madison. Billy Madison to me is a hymnbo,

11:10

right? And what we're describing, that

11:13

is Tommy Boy, okay? That's Tommy

11:15

Callahan, you know? Yeah. Dude,

11:18

Will Ferrell is incredible at playing

11:20

these characters that you may read one

11:22

way, but there's something completely different. So

11:24

why is it that,

11:26

you know, maybe it's because people are

11:28

looking for a little levity, you know, like maybe

11:30

I think people are looking for a little bit of a positive

11:32

outlook on things. Maybe people are looking just

11:34

to simply laugh, you know? Like we're

11:37

all just trying our best, you know? Everybody,

11:40

we're just trying our best. So sometimes

11:42

people are jumping on each other a little too quick, you

11:45

know?

11:45

And sometimes the people that are doing the jumping,

11:48

maybe they just need a little compassion, you know?

11:51

Like, I love you, Papa. Why are you so

11:53

mad about this? You know what I'm saying? I

11:56

love you, man. Give me a hug.

11:58

Come here, you know?

12:00

My husband and I sometimes when we get frustrated,

12:03

or if one of us has an attitude, you'll

12:06

realize you have an attitude and we'll just say, I

12:08

just need some love. Yeah, that's

12:10

it. Ask the other person for a hug.

12:12

Because it's the most base thing. I

12:15

actually

12:15

need, I have an attitude right now. Because I just

12:17

need a little reset. That's it. I

12:20

wonder, do you see him most

12:23

possibly speaking to, or even that Vayner character

12:25

is speaking to a different

12:27

type of idealized masculinity. Maybe

12:29

somebody who's a little more,

12:32

maybe a lot more chill. Maybe

12:34

people are looking for a different

12:36

style of masculinity or a

12:38

different way of how to be

12:41

a man.

12:42

100%, I think you're spot on with that.

12:45

I'm super proud that I just get

12:47

to be one little dot on that flag,

12:49

you know? Like

12:51

one little piece of that puzzle. I'll

12:54

just say, in my real life, I've

12:56

got my three little boys.

12:59

To me, one of the most

13:01

important things that I just want to teach them is

13:04

that it's okay to cry. And

13:06

it's okay to talk about your emotions with us.

13:10

It's okay to be vulnerable. It's

13:13

okay to be yourself. Whatever

13:16

you are,

13:17

just know that me and your mom are

13:19

gonna love you immensely.

13:21

And I know

13:23

that because that's what I had my entire

13:25

life with my mom and my dad.

13:28

My dad is a really, really

13:30

sweet, compassionate,

13:33

tender energy. And then

13:35

when it comes to these characters that I play, man,

13:38

as fun as hell that I get

13:40

to play these fiercely loyal,

13:43

very compassionate,

13:46

loving, vulnerable, emotional dudes.

13:53

That was really thoughtful. Thank you so much. Josh,

13:56

would you mind sticking around to play

13:58

a game?

13:59

I love games. Let's go. Yes,

14:01

yes, yes, yes. I would love to stick around. Coming

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up, Josh and I play a little game

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Now, Josh, I hear that you are

15:36

a huge fan of wrestling.

15:40

Yes, I am. In the spirit of

15:43

professional wrestling,

15:45

we're going to play a game called Himbo Mania.

15:48

I love it. I love it. Let's

15:51

go. Welcome to

15:53

Himbo

15:55

Mania. So,

16:02

so the way this game is going to work, I'm going to pit two

16:04

famous hymbos against one another. And you decide

16:06

who wins and why. Are

16:08

you ready?

16:09

Wow. Okay. There's a lot of pressure.

16:11

Yeah, I'm ready. First match. Our

16:15

hymbos are Kronk from

16:17

the Emperor's New Groove

16:19

and Fezzik, Andre the Giant's character

16:22

from the Princess

16:23

Bride. Which hymbo would

16:25

you back in a fight against

16:28

a creepy dude at the bar? Not

16:30

against each other, but against the bar creep,

16:33

Kronk or Fezzik?

16:34

Fezzik. I mean, like it's Andre

16:36

the Giant we're talking about. In

16:39

character or not in character, that

16:41

is the most legendary big

16:44

man of all time. I

16:46

got to go with Andre at all times. I

16:48

got to go with Andre.

16:50

That's funny. You know, you've heard those stories

16:52

about him, right? Where he puts, he would put back

16:54

like 60 beers in a day or something crazy.

16:57

I kind of want to say how, but also like, I

16:59

mean, he was like what, seven feet tall? That's it. Drink 500

17:02

pounds, seven feet something like

17:04

water. Like water. First round

17:07

goes to Fezzik. K-O.

17:11

All right. Okay. Our second matchup. Our

17:15

hymbos this round are your character,

17:17

Lance Arroyo from the other two, and

17:19

Jason Mendoza from The Good Place

17:22

in a head-to-head competition of who's

17:25

better at taking care of a partner who is

17:27

on their period, who's menstruating. Who

17:30

are you putting your money on, Lance or Jason?

17:33

Look, Jason Mendoza, great

17:36

guy. Okay. Great guy. I'm

17:38

sure he'd be fantastic at it. But

17:42

Lance Arroyo,

17:43

he would take care of you

17:46

till you needed him no more. He

17:49

would make sure that you're comfortable. He

17:51

would make sure you're well-fed, that you've

17:53

got whatever cocktail you needed. Like,

17:56

I'm just going to put Lance anywhere. You

17:59

can put my man...

17:59

in the worst scenario

18:02

possible on the planet, whatever

18:04

that may be, and he's going to find a way

18:07

to come out of there with a smile

18:09

on his face

18:10

and looking forward to that same exact thing happening

18:13

again, because I'm sure he's going to

18:15

come out on top. You know? All right.

18:17

Lance it is. Lance it is. Lance it is.

18:19

I mean, I guess you can't really vote against yourself. I said,

18:21

I'm not saying you put me in a position where

18:24

I'm not going to vote against myself. You know,

18:26

like that's not fair. Jason Ando's

18:28

a nice guy, but come on

18:30

now. Come on now.

18:33

All right. So our second round winner is

18:35

Lance Arroyo. K-O.

18:39

Match number three. Okay. Hit me. Our

18:42

final hymbos are Bill and Ted from

18:45

Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Wow. As

18:47

a payer. Okay. And the other

18:49

is Fred from Scooby Doo. Oh

18:51

wow. Yes. In a battle of

18:53

who's best at helping friends move,

18:56

who comes out on top? Bill and Ted

18:59

as a payer or Fred? So

19:01

you're hitting me in my soft spot because I watched

19:03

a lot of Scooby Doo in my house. So

19:05

I think I'm going to go with

19:07

Fred. I just feel like Bill

19:09

and Ted might get distracted, you know? Like

19:12

I feel like they would be busy. I

19:14

feel like Fred, he's got a team that

19:18

he's already responsible for. He

19:20

has a van too. Yeah. I

19:22

think I'm going to go with Fred. Think about how

19:24

genius they are. Every week

19:27

or every day they have a new monster

19:29

they got to find or a new criminal.

19:32

They're just really smart. So I'm going with Fred.

19:34

That's

19:35

really fair. You're right. At the end of every single

19:37

episode, they always figure it out. They always

19:39

figure, they're batting a thousand. I've never seen

19:41

them not figure it out. That's a

19:43

really good point. They're incredible. I've never seen them

19:45

not figure it out. I think Fred might be the smartest hymnbo

19:48

out of this entire group. I feel like

19:50

Fred is like, you just made me realize

19:52

that Fred I think is a genius,

19:55

you know?

19:56

Our third round winner is Fred

19:58

from Scooby-Doo. K-O.

20:02

Well, Josh, these were sparkling

20:04

insights, honestly. You gave me a lot to

20:07

think about, because I don't know if I had all the

20:09

same choices as you, but you really turned

20:11

my mind around on some of these guys. That

20:13

was Himbomania. Josh, thank you so much for

20:15

playing. Thank

20:16

you for having me. I appreciate it. Thanks

20:19

again to Josh Sagara. Season 3

20:21

of The Other Two is streaming now on Max.

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Hi, Brittany. This is Lauren from New York. I

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know you're a fashion girly, and

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so I was just wondering what you thought of

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Pharrell's debut at Louis Vuitton. First of all, hi, Lauren from New York. Thank

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you so much for calling in. And

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also, thank you for calling me a fashion girly. Now,

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I have complex feelings about Pharrell's first showing

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at Louis Vuitton. I mean,

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I think that in many ways,

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he did some things that were adventurous, exciting,

20:57

honestly, pretty attractive and cute. Like

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cute clothes. Not going to knock them.

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And the other thing I'll also say is I think he put on

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a phenomenal show. Like

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having the choir there from Virginia,

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everything was so star studded. It took place

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on that big bridge on the river scent.

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It was like really, really cool. But

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I just have like very mixed feelings

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about him not being an actual

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designer. Like, yes, I know that he

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has done a lot of jewelry design. He's collaborated on

21:26

a lot of clothing lines. But it's just not the

21:28

same as someone like a Virgil

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Abloh or a Marc Jacobs who

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preceded him. Or honestly, a

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lot of other creative directors at other

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major fashion brands. I feel like what's happening

21:38

with Louis Vuitton men's right now is what's happening with a lot

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of industries where they're just bringing in celebrities. Do

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the job of an artisan. Do the job

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of a journeyman. And, you know,

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we'll see how it turns out. So I think like good

21:51

first showing, but the rest of it

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remains to be seen. So I mean, I guess

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I wish him luck,

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but he's already really rich, so you

21:58

might not need it. For all of you listening,

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