Ivan and Lisa become friends through sharing their personal pain and spiritual paths. Ivan is a former Latin King from Chicago and Lisa is an empowerment coach from Massachusetts. Their friendship is an unlikely yet powerful one. They discuss pain, their pasts and their spirituality. The podcasts discuss the concept of duality in leading a human and spiritual existence and honoring one's hardest truths as a vehicle for healing. This is a window into Ivan's path to redemption and Lisa's ego death.