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in the echoing , so hopefully some good

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that line that's actually the goal

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here . I want to be funny , I want to

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don't want to be a lecture podcast

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. I listen to enough of those on

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haven't convinced you not to do that yet Save

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high as number two under a comedy

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it's cold and nasty out here , let's plan

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a visit . We're going to Barbados to

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visit our download

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that our friend there is

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enjoying the show . So thank you very much

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for downloading us out there in Barbados

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.

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Does that mean we can go and do a live

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happy hour in Barbados ?

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Exactly that's what I want to do A meet

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and greet Live happy hour of meet and greet there

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.

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So I'm down .

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Yeah , so

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somebody's going to need to sponsor that trip , because

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I cannot afford that we

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are looking for sponsors to sponsor this trip

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. Yes

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, and we are not too proud to beg

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for that . So

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, okay , well , I've got

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a couple of other things

4:56

to follow-ups from our last episode

4:58

. In the last episode we talked about your

5:01

friends asking you about

5:03

your former position

5:05

. Well , a friend of mine who listens

5:07

to the podcast and refused to come on the air

5:09

so I should out you

5:11

by name and all that sort of fun stuff

5:13

, but I won't . But they said

5:16

they told me a story . They had a person

5:18

follow up , saw

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they had a position in Lake Wisconsin

5:22

, contacting them on LinkedIn and all

5:24

their social media channels to find out oh

5:26

, you were this position at this company

5:28

. How tell me about that ? I'm like that

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just gets weird . What

5:35

you're asking for information

5:38

about someone's former employer from someone you

5:40

don't know at all . I mean wow

5:42

. But they said they looked up and their former

5:45

position was hiring or they

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were hiring for a position they

5:49

held once upon a time again and

5:51

he told me that he basically

5:53

knows why because the job sucked . But

5:56

to be like hounded on

5:58

Facebook and LinkedIn

6:00

about this job is like

6:02

okay , that's called stalking

6:04

people . It's a different thing than

6:07

what we do .

6:08

So I think of like two things

6:10

. One , I don't

6:12

know , you so . I'm

6:14

gonna like probably give you the most PC

6:17

answer and like I'm not gonna

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as if it was a friend . Like if a friend

6:21

of mine came up to me , I'm like let me tell you what's really

6:23

going on behind closed doors . If it's just

6:25

some person on LinkedIn , I'm

6:27

probably gonna be like well , like

6:30

any organization , it does have its challenges

6:32

. But

6:34

then , like the other piece of it is , I kind of feel

6:36

like this is some networking

6:40

advice that someone's

6:42

been given along the way . Like open the

6:44

door on LinkedIn by like

6:46

talking to someone and reaching out to them and asking

6:49

them because in reality , like

6:51

you probably don't know that

6:53

purse , like I don't know

6:56

. I'm just thinking like it's a way to get your foot

6:58

in the door . So then at some point , after a few

7:00

back and forth to be a DM , you can like

7:02

be like you know why you seem cool . I can definitely

7:04

put you in contact with the right person

7:06

. So that's what I kind of feel like

7:08

. I feel like it's inauthentic yeah

7:11

.

7:13

One of those awful career coaches out there

7:15

that Dan from HR likes to bust , so

7:18

giving some information like that . Yeah

7:20

, stalk someone on

7:22

LinkedIn for who used to work there

7:25

. But anyways , I thought that was really

7:27

, really weird . My friend said

7:29

they did not respond at all to the

7:31

Facebook messages or the LinkedIn

7:34

messages .

7:35

I don't know , I probably would stop for

7:37

the date . I

7:40

would because the only thing I get on LinkedIn

7:42

now are just like sponsored messages

7:45

. If I get something from someone who's legit

7:48

, wants to know something from me , I'd be like let's

7:50

be friends forever .

7:54

Oh , your LinkedIn has just exploded

7:56

.

7:57

I know right .

7:59

I don't post on LinkedIn . I do a lot of liking

8:02

and thumbs up and things very rarely

8:04

even come . I'm on

8:06

there constantly .

8:07

LinkedIn has kind of become a little bit of a school . So

8:09

I do say off of it .

8:11

It has . It's gone downhill a lot

8:13

, especially we're getting a political season

8:15

and I don't go to LinkedIn for

8:18

political crap and

8:20

, yeah , I don't want to say that my favorite right now

8:23

because we're in Women's History Month is

8:25

when someone posts something about Women's History

8:27

Month or women in the workplace , there's

8:29

always the people who feel

8:32

the need to comment .

8:34

They're like and like

8:36

slightly sexist use on things

8:38

and I'm like oh

8:40

, who are you ? Because I want to make sure I'm never

8:42

going to work with you , buddy .

8:46

And the thing is , these people you do that

8:49

all the time . They make

8:51

these especially

8:53

LinkedIn stupid comments

8:55

on Facebook or a dime a dozen . But LinkedIn is

8:57

supposed to be the business networking place

9:00

and people are just

9:02

so flipping stupid with

9:04

the comments they put in there . I'm like really , oh

9:06

, I would follow that law . Okay , Nice

9:09

that you published to the whole world . I saw someone

9:11

say that on one of the lawyers . I

9:13

follow a lot of employment law lawyers and oh

9:16

, I just wouldn't do that . You just send a big

9:18

red flag to anybody down the

9:20

road that when they have a problem

9:22

with you they're going to look at this post

9:24

. Now which other laws are you choosing not

9:26

to follow ? I think so

9:29

. Well , the

9:31

other follow up from last episode

9:33

was we talked really briefly

9:36

, just passing , about being

9:38

prepared to take time off from work . So

9:40

that's when you find where the bodies are

9:42

buried . So I tried to take some

9:44

time off last week and it

9:48

didn't work out . I mean , I took the time off but

9:50

I was on the phone constantly or on the computer

9:52

doing things , just because of

9:54

the nature of the beast . But it did result

9:57

one of those things that hit

9:59

the fan while I'm out , which actually I was

10:01

talking to my boss and she was apologizing I'm sorry

10:03

we had to bug you so much on your time off and

10:05

she was so nice about things like that and I'm like

10:07

well , it just shows you what I'm doing

10:09

when that you don't always know what I'm doing

10:11

. When I'm here , I'm managing

10:14

these things without anybody else being

10:16

in the loop . But

10:18

one of these issues resulted in a termination

10:20

, which happened , and

10:22

so I'm in my office

10:24

before termination

10:26

meeting . I want the manager to do a

10:28

lot of the work , but I'm there for to

10:31

give them all the benefits . So your benefits will run

10:33

out then the month and da , da , da , da . And

10:35

this is how it's going to happen . The COBER administrator

10:37

is this and I just give all

10:40

the other things . Well

10:42

, I'm typing my notes to make

10:44

sure I have everything ready for this

10:46

. I don't want to look like the people from what was

10:48

it Cloudflare ? That weren't prepared

10:50

to termination meeting at all

10:52

. I'm prepared . I have a little bullet

10:55

points of anything I need to do . But

10:58

I got an instant message from the manager . He

11:00

said I already let them know . I'm

11:03

under the assumption she's getting a written warning

11:05

, but you changed your mind . I'm

11:07

like oh , here comes the bus

11:09

, Beep , beep . Wait , what their

11:14

message ? I copied and pasted it into my

11:16

notes here . I already let them know that

11:18

I'm under assumption that they're

11:20

getting a written warning , but you changed your

11:22

mind .

11:23

Oh my gosh yeah .

11:26

So I'm the decision maker , the end-all

11:28

be-all of that . I'm like this

11:30

is going to be weird , but

11:33

yeah , I like this manager

11:35

. They're a real up and comer , but they

11:37

just don't have a lot of experience

11:39

and we are going to have a discussion about

11:42

that .

11:42

That's fantastic , and in writing too .

11:44

Hopefully there's not a next time . So

11:46

, anyways , that was part of my

11:49

fun stuff . But noob

11:51

is this you had a

11:53

couple things , so where do

11:55

you want to start ?

11:56

I don't even know anymore . So kind

11:58

of I'm going to piggyback on the prepping

12:01

to leave . I am about six

12:03

weeks away from my due date , so

12:05

super excited , super horrified

12:07

all at the same time . And

12:11

now we're looking at our organ talent review for 2024

12:14

, which doesn't happen until October

12:17

. But now , about

12:19

six weeks before I leave , there's

12:21

a push to redesign the process . So

12:24

I'm working on that right now . No

12:27

pressure at all . Just have six

12:29

weeks to figure it out Cool , but

12:31

yeah , so that was the Along with everything else . Along with everything

12:34

else too . And now , on top of that , I

12:36

just want everyone to know that you

12:39

are now in the presence of a

12:41

talent management award

12:43

winner . So

12:47

I have Look congrats on that . Thank you

12:50

. Thank you , I

12:52

have won my first industry award , so I am

12:54

a 2023 trailblazer

12:57

, according to chief

12:59

talent officer magazine

13:03

Alrighty .

13:04

So Now

13:07

, well , we

13:09

were discussing online . There are some awards

13:11

that are just political , pay-to-play

13:13

type awards hey , give

13:16

us here 150 bucks and fill out this

13:18

form and you're going to get an award . And

13:20

this , obviously , is not one of those

13:22

, but they're

13:24

good awards , and there are some not

13:27

so good awards and then it

13:29

sounds like a really good one . I think , hey

13:31

, good job , you should be proud .

13:33

So I have not won an award

13:35

since the middle school science fair

13:37

, so super stoked .

13:42

Now don't let anybody know that you co-host

13:44

the podcast , because they might come .

13:47

we changed our mind , no right

13:49

, they'll be like , oh God , we're done

13:51

, rescended . But it is kind

13:53

of exciting to get a little ner-

13:56

. I basically redesigned our performance

13:58

management process so I

14:00

did crazy things like we

14:02

went from a five point scale to a three

14:05

point scale . We also got

14:07

rid of a forced distribution , so

14:09

we gave managers- .

14:10

Oh , I hate forced distribution .

14:12

The autonomy to actually make decisions

14:14

.

14:15

To manage and do their job . You mean .

14:17

Which the managers loved to be

14:19

honest . And if anyone is thinking

14:22

about getting rid of forced distribution out there

14:24

, just to let you know , our natural

14:26

distribution is

14:29

the same , exact same

14:31

curve . So I just don't let

14:33

you know it's possible and you trust

14:35

your managers to do the right thing , they'll

14:38

do the right thing . So anyway

14:40

, super excited about that , I get

14:42

a sweet trophy and life

14:45

is good . It's going to be behind me in my I'm

14:47

going to call it a trophy case . Now . There's

14:49

not one trophy in there , but there

14:52

will be one trophy .

14:53

There's a GroGoo though .

14:54

Yes , it'll be next to GroGoo , so

14:58

yeah .

14:59

Oh no , congrats , that's so exciting .

15:02

I will say I do want to quote Ronald Ulysses

15:04

Swanson here for those Parks and Recreation

15:06

fans .

15:07

Oh .

15:08

Awards are stupid , but they'd be less stupid if they were

15:10

given to the right people .

15:12

So thank you , yes

15:14

.

15:14

Chief Talent Officer publications

15:17

.

15:18

Sweet . Yeah , I'm

15:21

a huge Ron Swanson fan . I

15:24

like a lot of his memes in

15:26

there , so HR inappropriate

15:28

, which makes them just so awesome across

15:31

the board . Actually , this wasn't

15:33

on my show notes , but

15:36

I think it was last week . I

15:38

had texted you in Feathers about

15:40

a situation that I found myself

15:42

in , a little gotcha journalism

15:45

coming up , though . We

15:48

all know my stance on solicitors , how

15:50

they are a scum of the world , but

15:53

right next to them are bad

15:55

journalists , are right there . And

15:58

so I got a phone call and

16:01

it was a journalist from a newspaper , an

16:03

out of town newspaper , and

16:05

they told me their name and I've already forgotten it in

16:08

their publication , which I've also . I forgot

16:10

immediately . I was trying to tell you what it was and I didn't

16:13

know . But anyways

16:15

, she wanted a statement from

16:17

me about a situation that had made

16:20

some national news and

16:22

it was with a company that

16:25

has a similar name to

16:27

my company , but not the same

16:29

name , and

16:32

I'm like I have no . I

16:34

said I'd have no clue at all

16:36

what you're speaking about . So you're saying

16:38

that this didn't happen ? I'm saying I said

16:41

no , I'm saying I don't have the first clue

16:43

what you're talking about . And she was like trying

16:45

to egg me into saying something

16:47

stupid and like I don't

16:49

know who you think you're calling or what company

16:51

, and I said I'm with this company . I don't know who

16:53

you think you're calling . I have no clue . I

16:56

had to go Google the situation

16:58

and then I

17:01

found an article on it and it's

17:03

a similar company was , if you've done

17:05

that much homework to find who I am

17:07

, to try and get me to get a statement , at

17:10

least try the right company . I mean , oh

17:12

, it was just lazy

17:15

, bad journal . Well , I wouldn't say lazy if you

17:17

can do that type of homework . I was just bad

17:19

journalism trying to badger me into saying something

17:21

stupid . I just come on . And

17:24

he was . That was that was insuited

17:26

. So anyhow

17:28

. But speaking

17:32

of journalism article I

17:34

read I read it on Yahoo

17:36

Finance , but they attribute it to Fortune

17:38

magazine . The author is Orianna

17:40

Rousseau . Royale . Royal indeed

17:43

surveyed 1500 businesses

17:46

and 1500 working people in

17:48

the United Kingdom and found that

17:50

job ghosting is

17:52

rife 75% of

17:54

workers saying they've ignored prospective

17:56

employer in the last year . And

18:00

I was like 75% and

18:02

then I would have to think . I think that's

18:04

awfully high , but I think they need to define

18:06

their premise a little bit more , as I think I

18:10

don't know . I'd like to talk to you about this

18:12

job on LinkedIn all the time , which is probably

18:14

nothing even . Oh

18:16

, I got a few months ago a customer

18:18

service job . We want to use

18:20

your customer service experience and I'm like

18:22

, okay , yeah , I'm

18:24

a really good customer facing person

18:27

, but those I ignore . So if

18:29

you're contacting me for something legit

18:32

, I probably wouldn't even answer

18:34

that . I love our Matt anyway . But

18:37

anyways , 93%

18:40

of Gen Z's told global

18:42

recruitment platform , indeed

18:44

, that they've flaked

18:47

out on the interview . And then 87%

18:50

have said they managed to charm their

18:52

way through interviews to secure

18:55

a job , sign on and

18:57

then leave their new boss stranded on the very

18:59

first day . And they

19:01

say that . Gen Zers say this

19:03

makes them feel in charge of their career

19:05

.

19:08

Wait , where'd they get that quote from ?

19:13

I don't know Fortune magazine , so it's , I considered

19:16

, a legitimate source .

19:18

Oh , I was going to say I have questions

19:20

because there is a piece

19:22

of me , like I

19:24

think Gen Z feels

19:27

a little justified because , about , I want

19:30

to say about two years ago , when I was looking for a job

19:32

, do you know how many recruiters

19:34

ghosted me ? And

19:36

not to say , like I

19:38

, I wouldn't ghost

19:41

someone , because I feel like I do

19:43

have a little bit of the professional maturity

19:45

to be like I don't want to be the one to ghost

19:47

, but I think I think Gen

19:50

Z has probably been ghosted a lot and

19:52

they're probably like done , like

19:54

, if you can ghost me , I'll ghost you

19:56

Like , is this the language we're talking

19:58

?

19:59

OK , Well

20:01

, two things on that . The article later

20:03

on goes to say that more

20:06

than half think that since employers ghost

20:08

job seekers , it's OK to do it back

20:10

, and a third of

20:12

companies agreed with that sentiment . But

20:15

here's why I think when does it become

20:17

ghosting ? If you just apply for job

20:19

and you don't hear anything , is that

20:21

ghosting ? Or do you have to actually have

20:24

some human contact first for

20:26

it to be considered ghosting ? Where

20:29

does the ghosting fall in and

20:31

play for what counts as ghosting ?

20:33

Yeah , see my definition if I've

20:35

had at least a

20:37

phone screen with you and you

20:39

then say that you're going to call me back

20:41

, but I never hear from you again until I get

20:43

an automated rejection

20:45

letter . That is a ghost .

20:49

Yeah , that's why I think too . I think you have to

20:51

have some human interaction first

20:53

before you can say you're ghosted

20:56

with that . So , anyways , that

20:58

was that Almost

21:00

half of those surveyed say they plan

21:02

on pulling a disappearing act again , and

21:05

a third of them deemed it acceptable

21:07

to do so before an interview

21:09

.

21:09

So ditching an interview , oh

21:13

no , that's where I'm like there has to

21:15

be that professional maturity , Because

21:17

if I had the interview I'm

21:20

not going to just ghost Like . If something else comes

21:23

up , like a better job offer or something

21:25

, I'm at least going to write you an email

21:27

. So I'm not wasting your time , because at that point

21:29

that's just disrespect .

21:32

I told my daughter when she was a teenager

21:35

. She was working , trying to find a retail

21:37

job . She interviewed and

21:39

got offered a job on the spot with one

21:41

retail place , but they paid like 25

21:44

cents over a minimum wage and then

21:46

she accepted . And then later

21:48

that day another retail

21:51

called and said that they were going to offer

21:53

like $4 an hour more . And

21:55

she's like what do I do ? I said okay , well , take

21:57

the $4 , but call the other person

22:00

and say hey , I do want to think . I said I

22:02

never know when you're going to run into them again . They may leave

22:04

that company and they'll

22:06

be somewhere else . They could be

22:08

a coworker of yours down the line . I

22:10

said just don't burn . And I said

22:13

they will remember you if you do

22:15

something like that . And she did , thankfully

22:18

, one of the few times she listens to me . I

22:20

said just call them and say hey , I want to thank you

22:22

, but I've got another job offer and accept

22:24

and that's all you have to say . And

22:28

she did but yeah , there's yeah

22:30

, but she did not want

22:32

to do it . I basically twisted her arm .

22:35

You got to do it . You got to do it . I

22:37

will say do you never know when people are

22:39

going to pop back up in your life again ? Because

22:41

I had left a company and then I

22:44

tried to interview for a different

22:46

role within the company a couple years later

22:48

and I had a horrendous interview with the hiring

22:51

manager who was just really condescending

22:54

and really just like

22:56

so glad I honestly

22:59

did pull out of that role . I threw an

23:01

email , but year

23:04

like a year after that I was in my new role

23:06

and I was in the position of

23:08

the recruiter and

23:10

this guy like pops back

23:12

up . I mean he's

23:14

, he's whistling a different tune because now he's

23:16

the one being interviewed and

23:19

all I can remember was like . I

23:21

don't like . My feedback was I've had

23:23

experience with this person . My experience

23:25

wasn't really positive . He was a little

23:27

condescending XYZ

23:29

and he didn't move on

23:31

to the next round . So you

23:34

really need to be aware of how you come off to

23:36

people , because you don't know when you're going to face

23:38

them again later in your career .

23:42

Exactly , and HR is a small world

23:44

. You're in a larger

23:46

metropolitan area than I am , but I

23:49

see names all the time of people I either

23:51

know or at least recognize the name . I was

23:53

like oh , you know , I can do

23:56

that six degrees of Kevin Bacon with virtually

23:59

any name I hear out there because

24:01

I've been in it . Maybe it's a little different

24:03

in a larger area , but I don't think so . It's HR

24:06

. There's only , you know , there's

24:08

someone only so much . Well

24:11

, the final takeaways I took

24:13

from this article were

24:15

that Gen Zers , as I mentioned

24:18

, say they feel boldened by

24:20

ghosting their companies , but older

24:22

workers who do it say they instantly

24:25

regret it , and more than half

24:27

of Gen Zers are repeat offenders . Companies

24:30

once again . One in five workers complained

24:32

that prospective employers failed to show

24:34

up for a phone interview . 23%

24:36

have been provided with a verbal

24:39

offer and then been left hanging

24:41

. So employers do

24:43

it too , but I

24:45

just not . It can't be at the same level

24:47

that the employees are , and unless there's

24:49

just a lot of really , really bad

24:51

Readers out there , I mean , how hard

24:53

is it to hit the decline

24:56

button and All ATS's

24:59

have the consent automatic email

25:01

soon as you hit that decline Move . Dear Warren

25:03

, thank you for applying , but we've decided to go

25:05

another direction . Wish you all the best of the

25:07

future . So I know , so

25:10

I don't , I don't know .

25:11

I would love to send . This is so course the nerd in me

25:13

. I would love to see the breakdown . I'm

25:15

gonna guess if it's Gen Z , it's mostly entry-level

25:18

jobs like , or early

25:20

career roles . But

25:22

I'm just , I want to see what the With

25:25

the distribution that is , of the no-call-no

25:28

show on the first day after an offer , because

25:30

that horrifies , I guess , someone

25:32

who used to recruit , the job posting

25:35

, the pre-screening , the interviewing

25:37

, the getting the offer through

25:39

the having that like those steps

25:41

for you not to show up , like

25:43

your name , is gonna be ingrained

25:46

in my memory forever

25:48

forever forever

25:50

I

25:54

Remember back in .

25:57

But no , I , absolutely I . I

26:00

can only count on a handful times when somebody

26:02

has no showed to a job

26:04

on their first day Without

26:06

any calling or anything like that . It's happened

26:08

a few times , but not not

26:10

that often . Well , I

26:12

had one more thing and you sort

26:14

of segwayed into it , being

26:17

an HR nerd . So I mentioned

26:19

I've moved . I bought some new furniture . I'm

26:22

too cheap to have it delivered , so

26:24

because they wanted like something stupid like $900

26:27

to deliver where I live , so I rented a

26:29

truck . Anyways , go to the warehouse

26:31

to pick up my furniture and you

26:34

go in and you have to check in and give

26:36

them your name and they tell you whether you

26:38

know that they have all the stuff and things like that

26:40

. But there's these signs like computer

26:42

, printed like eight and a half by eleven white

26:44

piece of paper , signs all

26:46

over , like I can see through the glass window

26:49

where I check in . And then these emails say

26:51

per guido , no food

26:53

in the front area . Per guido , do not front

26:56

park in front of the building . Per guido , you

26:58

must clock out for your brakes . You know Just

27:01

all these signs . And I'm sitting there

27:03

thinking myself Is this

27:05

like an inside joke ? I'm not

27:07

getting , because it there were

27:09

so many of them and they

27:11

all started per guido and

27:13

I was like , is this some sort of slurish thing

27:16

? I thought I'm

27:18

my , my curiosity

27:20

is going all over the place and I

27:22

I wanted to ask and I

27:24

didn't ask , but as I well

27:26

, anyways , one of the one of the posters

27:28

were per guido Do you cannot

27:31

accept tips from our customers ? That

27:33

? And then on the outside , the building where you go

27:35

to , actually , after you check in and say I'm

27:37

here to pick up this , that and the other thing , you

27:39

go around to pick it up and there's signs like

27:42

all over I'm

27:44

not kidding either must have been six or eight signs

27:46

no tipping . Our employees , our

27:48

two employees , are not allowed to be tipped . But

27:52

while I was out there behind the warehouse waiting

27:54

to form to load up my truck , I

27:56

Saw a guido . I

27:59

was . I was halfway relieved

28:01

because it wasn't some sort of slurish

28:04

type thing or

28:06

anything , as he had his name tag on

28:08

, and I

28:10

was halfway relieved , I was also halfway . So

28:13

you have to put all these signs up everywhere

28:15

to tell your employees little , little

28:18

stupid , stupid things . Don't park in front of

28:20

the building or no tip , they do not

28:22

accept tips and and things like that

28:24

. I'm like that's , that's really

28:27

really weird . But I

28:29

didn't talk to guido , I just saw him . I

28:31

saw his name tag on his shirt

28:33

there . But as

28:35

I'm waiting , one of their employees came back

28:37

from , I'm assuming , a break or a lunch or something

28:39

like that , and as he walked , that employee

28:42

walked by me I could have gotten high

28:44

off the the fumes

28:46

he was propagating there

28:48

and walked between me and Guido

28:51

. So Guido definitely had as I'm like the

28:53

HR nerd me once again my brain . I was like , oh

28:55

god , I hope he's not doing something like driving

28:57

a forklift or doing something

29:00

like Dangerous work . You know , if he's

29:02

just pulling boxes out , okay

29:04

, fine , probably still not smart , but

29:06

Not as dangerous

29:09

as driving a forklift or anything else

29:11

out there . It was just , it was really

29:13

. It was just a really weird thing

29:15

All these times per Guido

29:17

.

29:20

We don't , as my , my , my , we don't want you to accept

29:22

these . Totally okay with you token up

29:24

in the parking lot .

29:27

Yeah , if you tip your guys , well , they can buy

29:29

an extra dickle bag and have

29:32

more fun .

29:33

But anyways , you

29:37

know , just don't cause any reasonable suspicion

29:39

issues oh .

29:43

Man , it was , it was fine . But yeah , it's

29:46

weird how , being an

29:48

HR , so long you you

29:50

think we're out in

29:52

public about HR related issues like

29:55

you know they they shouldn't be

29:57

doing that , or all sorts of Weird

30:00

stuff , or how they can away with that , I wonder

30:02

oh yeah .

30:04

It's interesting on the same way because I worked

30:06

all through college and grad

30:08

school . I was in a restaurant or the restaurant

30:11

industry and there every

30:13

to this day , if I go out to eat , I'm

30:15

always looking around me to see what

30:17

servers are doing , how they're giving guest

30:20

services . Like guests good service

30:22

and yeah , the other . I'll be like , oh

30:25

, you know , they didn't check back at a table within

30:27

two minutes or two bites Like this

30:29

stuff , like training from those

30:31

days still rolls in my head as

30:33

a customer and yeah , like that

30:36

never shakes and I'm always dishes

30:38

. I'm always also trying to eavesdrop on

30:40

server conversations in the side

30:42

stand if I'm close enough , because half

30:44

those conversations are never HR appropriate

30:47

and I love to hear them .

30:48

Oh , they're juicy . Well

30:50

, you see , another thing I I've

30:52

worked in the back . That was , I was in the kitchen through

30:55

my , my restaurant time

30:58

and the Contentious

31:00

relationship between the front of house , in

31:02

the back of house , entire

31:05

plates of food being thrown one way

31:07

or the other , it didn't matter Cussing

31:10

sexual harassment

31:12

like on a level that you couldn't

31:14

even imagine unless you've been in

31:16

that type of environment . And

31:19

of course I was doing this in the early

31:22

90s , early mid 90s

31:24

, and nobody cared about sexual

31:26

harassment . Really , it was

31:29

just so awful . And I'm thinking , wow , how

31:32

do people get away that ? Restaurants are such

31:34

? You know , we , we shit on Chipotle

31:36

all the time , but restaurants

31:38

are such hotbeds

31:41

for HR problems , especially

31:43

the local mom and pop over operated

31:45

ones , the privately owned ones

31:47

. But then again we're talking . We always talk about Chipotle

31:49

, which is an a national organization

31:52

. I think they'd have their stuff together

31:54

a little bit more .

31:56

So I have a very distinct memory of

31:58

working in a restaurant and

32:01

this was like probably like

32:03

2005 to 2011

32:05

is when I was like working in restaurants and

32:09

I don't . Who do you remember ? There

32:12

is like that viral video of the two girls one cup

32:14

.

32:15

Oh gosh .

32:17

I would say , google it , but please don't do

32:19

not Google that just please don't , especially

32:22

not at work .

32:23

Don't you've been warned .

32:25

Do not , but anyway , I just remember when that video

32:27

came out , I was cashing

32:29

out in the manager's office and there's two

32:31

managers and a bartender males

32:34

and they're like oh , this video

32:36

got watched , this video , totally forgetting

32:38

that I'm there , and they're like close the

32:40

door , we got to watch it . I am locked

32:42

in this office with these three dudes

32:44

forced to watch this video

32:46

and like now looking back on it , I'm

32:49

like hilarious , by the

32:51

way , but I was just like no

32:53

, this is , this is not HR approved

32:55

.

32:57

Well , the

33:00

things I said , the things I did

33:02

in restaurants , I just

33:04

, you know , as a teenager I

33:07

basically worked at the same restaurant from the time

33:09

I was in 10th grade to

33:11

the year I graduated from college

33:13

and up

33:15

until recently was the longest job I ever held

33:18

. I'd go away for school

33:20

and I'd come back on winter break and summer break

33:22

and still work there . But just

33:25

the stuff we did and the names

33:27

, and there I mean we

33:29

and Nick and , oh gosh , Nick , names

33:31

like yeah

33:34

, we should all be in jail .

33:37

I had one . We're just not going to repeat it , but there

33:39

was definitely one .

33:42

Oh well , I

33:46

think that's a good place to lay into playing

33:48

, where we're not going to discuss your nickname

33:50

. Maybe , maybe someone , our AMA can

33:52

get you to beg you to twist your arm

33:55

to the reveal the nickname that

33:57

you , that you had .

33:59

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