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who still remembers Pam

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Perro for both who

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booked this crew job in Montréal,

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who has a good for a name weasel,

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dooley. Everyone knows

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this morning. Who

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managed Bobby? Nen

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Condrey, who managed then

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late at doctor Tom, who

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sick and tired again. NE0

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Libby. Everyone knows,

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Courtney. Who

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took a shoot, falling off? further

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scaffolding, who let a

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gush arena white suit.

0:38

Who said Ronnie Garvin Linup? like

0:41

the challenger. Everyone knows

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it's Cornettes

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Jim Cornette through

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he'll answer questions from

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you and he won

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the pony too.

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Thank you for you. Bye. Thank

1:01

you for you. Bye. Thank you,

1:03

fuck you. Bye. Thank you, fuck

1:05

you. Bye. Hello

1:07

again friends and

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you

1:10

all our friends and

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welcome back to another edition of Jim Cornettes

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right here

1:15

on this late fall's day

1:17

twenty twenty two, we are in the month

1:19

of December. There's

1:21

a man laughing already behind me.

1:23

I'm your host of great Brian laughs. We have a lot

1:25

of questions. And

1:26

of course, the big survivor series review

1:29

with this man, the man who reviewed the

1:31

survivor series, mister Jim

1:33

Cornett.

1:34

What in a

1:35

Pea Pecan World are you blithering

1:38

about? The

1:39

same person -- I do well. -- it's a fine

1:41

falls day right

1:43

here at at fucking Niagara

1:46

Falls, and then a review of

1:48

the survivor series, which we have

1:50

talked about all

1:51

that we're gonna talk about couple of weeks

1:53

ago. Yeah.

1:54

Where are you? What are

1:55

you in a time warp? Are you are you ill?

1:58

I was the one who was sick last week.

2:00

I

2:00

forgot I thought you left it with you. We're gonna

2:02

watch the Austin Theory match.

2:05

Fuck. That was before I got the fucking

2:07

flu. That was Jim ago. You have

2:10

to clear that otherwise, I think you're gonna this

2:12

customs. I've got to declare it. Do you have

2:14

anything to declare? Yeah. I'm glad to be

2:16

leaving this shitty country. I said that one time.

2:18

Give me a break. You can't get through customs.

2:21

I did back then. I

2:23

one of the first times we went to Canada.

2:26

for the no. I pray it was for the for

2:28

the WWS I'd been there for Crockett

2:31

a couple of times.

2:32

And

2:34

we were leaving and it had been the long

2:36

television taping and pay per view

2:38

stretch or whatever the fuck.

2:40

And I'm going back through customs.

2:44

and

2:44

where they have

2:46

ridiculous customs and habits.

2:48

But anyway, the guy said, do you have anything

2:50

to Claire, and I said, that what that means

2:53

in English is apparently,

2:57

did you purchase anything here in our

2:59

a fine country that you're taking back home

3:01

with you. But he's you have anything

3:03

anything to declare? I said,

3:05

yeah. I'm glad to be going home.

3:08

He said, I

3:09

mean, do you have anything to declare here?

3:11

So what are you talking about?

3:15

He said, did you purchase anything while

3:17

you were here? I said, no.

3:19

And then he gets quizzical with

3:21

me like Well,

3:22

that's just bullshit. That how long

3:25

you've been here three or four days? You didn't buy anything.

3:27

I said, I bought fucking food.

3:29

Can't really show that to you. I didn't make

3:31

a list to what I ate. You didn't

3:33

purchase anything out. This magazine, this

3:36

fucking Newsweek magazine sitting

3:38

right here on my bag and just bought that other

3:41

I said, I didn't come here for a vacation.

3:43

I was told to come here. I was instructed

3:46

to come here. And I was

3:48

told that I would be paid money if I I came

3:50

here. That's why I came here. Now I'm going

3:52

home because I'm sick of being here.

3:56

He got lippy with me. And

3:58

they

3:58

never forgot that, did they?

4:00

Well,

4:00

they hold a grudge up. They hold a grudge

4:03

like I do.

4:05

You know, that's one good thing I can say about

4:07

the Canadian customs pig. Canadians are

4:09

fine people. Where they get these pricks

4:11

to work on the border? I got no idea

4:13

either way. Going there,

4:15

coming back, whichever side's ours,

4:17

whichever side's theirs, they're all a bunch of

4:19

flaming uncircumcised pricks.

4:22

so you and mister money can't get back

4:24

into Canada.

4:26

Well, no, the cat's okay. The cat

4:28

was deported.

4:30

Was the cat dashboard? No. The cat was

4:32

only deported because the cat didn't

4:34

have any any adult

4:36

supervision with it. The cat

4:38

had two adults with it.

4:40

But today,

4:40

one of them with the jail and the other one

4:42

was kicked back out of the country also. So

4:44

the cat had to go with the

4:47

I

4:47

think non incarcerated person, I don't

4:49

think that's why the cat was sent back. I think there

4:51

was some sort of paperwork issue with the cat and

4:53

they refused to allow it into Canada.

4:55

can you bar a cat from Canada?

4:57

You could bar any animal from a You

5:01

can't

5:01

say it over

5:03

a specific animal. Well, you know you can

5:05

say, well, you can't bring snakes to Hawaii

5:07

or whatever.

5:09

But that's but can you borrow a

5:11

specific animal? like

5:13

this specific fucking bunny

5:15

rabbit has committed to

5:17

heinous crimes who will not be allowed

5:20

into Bulgaria anymore.

5:23

I

5:23

would assume it's well, who knows about Bulgaria, but

5:26

I would assume around the world that's rarely done

5:28

although maybe it's

5:31

possible. Maybe you can ban an animal

5:33

by name. Right.

5:35

So basically Yeah.

5:37

Basically, clear. This is the fucking

5:39

intro to the show that you came up with.

5:41

Would you already off air shot down

5:43

my

5:44

goddamn suggestion for a

5:46

a television program that's in its new

5:49

season that I was gonna talk about, you know, I haven't had

5:51

time to watch it. Well, I wasn't gonna watch it even

5:53

if I had the time, so I haven't even heard of it. But talk

5:55

about your television program. This is what I came

5:57

up with. I was not in the conversation flow.

5:59

You

5:59

were led to boy, it was a pretty

6:02

heavy flow.

6:04

That's what you I'm not even gonna talk about

6:06

my TV show now because you've already insulted

6:08

me and insulted it and say you wouldn't

6:10

watch it even if you tried. Well, I'm back to

6:12

my show. Save it. the exterior. Faxed

6:14

up on shows. I've marched up

6:17

alright. Yeah. Have have

6:19

you have you been watching the news? The

6:21

world is safe for democracy in

6:23

Georgia again just barely. I'll

6:25

get this out of the way because I'm pissed about

6:28

it. Sometimes people like

6:30

it when I'm pissed. I don't care. Whether

6:32

they like it or not. For

6:35

the folks again around the world, I

6:37

show try to explain this to

6:39

you.

6:40

There was a an election in Georgia

6:43

yesterday, a special election because

6:45

it the results from November were

6:47

too close they've got a rule that one candidate

6:49

has to get over fifty percent of the vote, and

6:51

there was an independent in there. It got two

6:53

point two percent and gum,

6:55

the whole goddamn works up. That's

6:58

all they're good for. The independents is to get

7:00

in a fucking way.

7:02

So they

7:03

have the big runoff, and it's between

7:05

Rafael Warnerk who's been a

7:07

senator in Georgia for the past couple years

7:09

and now is running for his first

7:11

full term and

7:13

he was running against Hershel Walker,

7:17

the

7:18

ex college and pro

7:20

foot ball star of forty

7:22

years ago. Who lives in Texas?

7:24

Who who doesn't live in the state of

7:26

Georgia? Exactly. He lives in

7:28

Texas and here's the deal.

7:30

And again, the Republicans, the

7:33

gall of them, as Jackie

7:35

Fargo once said about Jimmy

7:37

Hart, the gall of you

7:39

just they run

7:42

joke candidates as publicity

7:44

stunts thinking that

7:46

the

7:48

They're counter programming the

7:50

legitimate candidate on the Democratic

7:52

side. by

7:55

either their same sex or their same color.

7:57

They did it with syrup. That's syrup palin

7:59

became a

8:01

known thing in the world

8:03

And

8:04

that's probably the best way you can describe her.

8:06

Because in two thousand

8:09

and eight,

8:10

The Republicans thought they were gonna be running

8:12

against Hillary Clinton.

8:14

They didn't see the Obama express

8:16

demon down on them, baby.

8:19

They thought there were to be resolute they'd give,

8:21

John. He's even he admitted this before

8:23

he died. John McCain. One

8:25

of them, the big one of the big Republicans.

8:28

He

8:28

did he had a little more

8:30

honor and courage than to call himself a

8:32

Republican today with the way that

8:34

the maggots have taken over things.

8:36

But nevertheless, John McCain admitted the

8:38

party foisted Sarah Palin

8:40

onto him. She

8:42

was a blithering simpleton who

8:46

knew absolutely nothing about

8:48

anything and

8:49

had a trailer park trash

8:51

family straight

8:53

out of the fucking off the cover of

8:55

meth head times

8:58

But

8:58

the Republicans figured,

9:01

she's got

9:01

a vagina, so

9:03

the women will vote for her

9:05

instead of Hillary.

9:07

Well,

9:08

how's that worked out for you?

9:11

And it ended

9:12

up that everybody by the time the

9:15

election was over and through no fault of

9:17

the Republican party, Sarah

9:19

Palin did not land in the White

9:21

House as the vice president of the United

9:23

States. but she could have.

9:26

And they were

9:28

willing to do that and sacrifice

9:31

any goddamn

9:34

honor,

9:35

integrity, whatever

9:38

the fuck for the sake of sticking

9:40

a publicity stunt in the White House

9:42

to beat who they thought they were gonna

9:44

run against. And they

9:46

took women to be that fucking

9:49

stupid. That they would

9:51

vote for any woman just to get a woman

9:53

in a White House because that's the big thing

9:55

ignoring the fact

9:56

that everybody could see except for the

9:59

Republicans and their base

10:01

that this

10:01

woman was mentally unfit

10:03

to run a fucking Walmart.

10:06

So now they

10:08

did the same thing. Hershel Walker, it's

10:10

been a joke in the United States

10:13

his speeches. I wish the

10:15

people around the world Google this.

10:18

Google any Hershel Walker speech where

10:20

he was running for senate in Georgia

10:22

recently.

10:22

Besides

10:25

the fact that you mentioned he lives in

10:27

Texas, And

10:29

they they moved him to Georgia because that's where

10:31

he was the football hero. They figured,

10:34

Raffy O'Warwick,

10:36

the pastor of Martin

10:39

Luther King's Church

10:41

and

10:41

educate I don't even like

10:43

religious people. But, goddamn, I can

10:45

tell you when somebody smart, he's

10:47

an intelligent

10:48

well spoken man. He's already been

10:50

a senator for a couple years.

10:52

He's devoted his life to public

10:54

service. He's an honorable

10:56

man with no scandals or

10:59

criminal conduct or people in his own

11:02

family. Like

11:03

Hersha Walker added, Hersha Walker's son

11:05

said this has all been a big fucking

11:07

joke. and

11:08

nobody should vote for my father.

11:10

But

11:12

Rafael warnings,

11:16

He's black. So it

11:18

was almost like you could hear

11:20

sheriff Beaufort T Justice sitting on the

11:22

porch. Well,

11:24

Bore. You know them. They like

11:26

them football players. We

11:28

need to get us a football player

11:30

and we'll breeze right through the

11:32

sunbitch. It's

11:34

fucking ridiculous. He's a

11:36

poster boy for CTE. He

11:38

was never a noted

11:41

scholar to begin with, but now he's sixty

11:43

whatever years old and he can't

11:45

speak English. He

11:47

was blathering In

11:48

public, it was embarrassing even

11:51

members of the Republican party that have half

11:53

a fucking spine or what's

11:55

left of their balls would say this is

11:57

an unfit candidate.

11:59

It's not good for our but

12:04

they ran him anyway.

12:07

a blithering simpleton that

12:11

has no bed that also they were

12:13

running him as the man of God.

12:15

he'll stand up for Christian back

12:17

against the preacher. The

12:20

preacher that it runs Martin

12:22

Luther King's church Evanies

12:24

are Baptist Church. Here's

12:27

what Hershel Walker who's

12:28

at umpteen kids with umpteen

12:31

different women denied most of

12:33

them, never raised any of them, have

12:35

paid for several abortions. They

12:37

provided canceled checks.

12:39

He's the man of God.

12:42

The only thing lower

12:44

than the Republican voters that

12:46

will fucking put up with this and

12:48

will vote for a head of cabbage

12:51

instead of a qualified democrat

12:53

because they

12:54

don't like smart people.

12:56

They

12:57

hate to vote for them intelligent people

13:00

that use them big words. The only thing worse

13:02

than the voters is the politicians

13:04

who up these

13:06

joke candidates just to

13:08

get the fucking majority

13:10

vote in the senate to pass

13:13

their evil fucking plans. Can

13:16

you imagine

13:18

the other senators,

13:21

Democratic and Republican,

13:24

Actually being asked to work

13:27

with Hershel Walker on a

13:29

lawmaking basis, we're

13:31

going to formulate public

13:33

policy

13:34

alongside

13:36

this brain damaged nitwit

13:38

that

13:40

can't formulate fucking Words

13:43

of three syllables. Google

13:46

speeches. If you think I'm

13:48

goddamn exaggerating, I'm

13:50

not the first person to bring these things up.

13:52

I'm not even the first hundred

13:55

thousand. The

13:57

Republicans would run Billy

13:59

Broccoli.

13:59

the Just a

14:01

head of broccoli. Here he is, vote

14:03

for him because he won't do the shit the

14:05

democrats will do. And the

14:07

head of broccoli would get

14:09

forty two percent of the vote because that's

14:11

where I was going with this.

14:13

They cast three and a half million votes in

14:16

the state of Georgia. You've got

14:18

a sitting senator with

14:20

his impeccable record

14:23

and

14:23

a fucking message

14:26

to people.

14:26

and he's

14:29

run against a

14:32

joke and an idiot,

14:34

a babbling simpleton who

14:37

would not have the first idea how to do

14:39

this fucking job if he got it.

14:41

And that's the whole idea. The

14:43

the Republicans would be telling

14:45

him what to do, he'd be a vote, which

14:47

is

14:48

the most racist thing of all,

14:50

yeah, we're

14:51

gonna fucking put this black gather and tell

14:53

him how to do this fucking job.

14:58

And

14:58

warnick won by the last, I saw

15:00

about a hundred thousand votes out of three and

15:02

a half million.

15:03

every white Cornette

15:06

beer bellied fat knit

15:08

wit in the state of Georgia.

15:11

would rather vote for somebody

15:13

that couldn't pass a cognitive test

15:15

of a three year old

15:17

than

15:17

an intelligent competent already

15:20

performing

15:21

senator because

15:23

he's a Democrat.

15:27

And he's too smart for him.

15:29

They

15:29

don't like the smart people.

15:31

Trump made

15:34

it. Goddamn normalized it,

15:36

but it's always been there. The

15:38

Republicans don't want people that

15:40

are smarter than they are.

15:43

involved in making public

15:45

policy, which is

15:46

kinda like finding a heart surgeon

15:49

that stupider than you are

15:51

so you can tell him how to operate

15:53

on your fucking heart.

15:55

And

15:55

that's where we are in this Cornette.

15:59

that

15:59

it's that close.

16:01

They might as well

16:03

run a goddamn head of

16:06

lettuce.

16:06

And they've

16:09

showed what they think of women

16:11

with Sarah Palin and Marjorie Trees

16:13

in green she got elected.

16:15

This blithering knit

16:17

wit,

16:20

she's actually there. And

16:22

after put up with her, at least that's house

16:24

representative's not the senate. The

16:26

bar of the senate used to be a

16:28

little higher.

16:29

They

16:31

run Hersha Walker to insult the black

16:33

people in Georgia. Would they run the

16:35

Frito Bandido in New Mexico?

16:38

I

16:39

bet they would because forty two percent

16:41

of the white assholes at vote for

16:43

him because that's all the credit

16:45

they give the fucking Mexican people.

16:48

fuck all of you. Anybody that

16:50

voted for Hershel Walker rather

16:52

than a Cognizant human being

16:54

in the state of Georgia to

16:56

go to United States senate and

16:58

have votes on what's going on in

17:00

my life. Fuck

17:02

you. How about that?

17:04

And come see me if you don't fucking

17:06

like it.

17:09

Would you rather

17:09

heard about my TV show, Brian? This is

17:11

your show today. Let's hear it.

17:13

Alrighty. But anyway, on to other

17:16

things real quickly.

17:18

Real quickly. I

17:20

fucked up. You know what

17:21

I did? What'd you

17:23

do? Well, goddamn it. Say,

17:26

the feather bottoms have been such

17:28

great people. The whole family

17:30

have helped me out. You know, this is the

17:32

first year that

17:34

the merchandise store

17:36

at jim cornet dot com has been open

17:38

all year since two thousand seventeen

17:42

because I I started getting

17:44

slammed Do you know the show got popular

17:46

things were happening?

17:49

And I think in in twenty

17:51

twenty one, what did I say we were

17:53

open for twenty one days. It was fucking horrible.

17:55

Right? And the Hotchkiss

17:57

came in and revamped the website and

17:59

Fannie and

17:59

FELTURE have taken over the

18:02

They merchandise,

18:02

the shipping part of the merchandising, and

18:05

we've stayed open,

18:07

and they've instituted all of these

18:10

gadgets and thingamajigs and the

18:12

inventories and the confirmations

18:14

and all that stuff that I could never

18:17

dream of. And I feel so bad

18:19

for poor Hodgkin's. He's been having

18:21

problems. Last week, he came home to a

18:23

house full of sick children.

18:26

Just I mean, high fevers and

18:28

flus and

18:29

coughing. He don't know where these

18:32

fucking kids came from. I was gonna say wait till his

18:34

wife finds out. Well, no. He just

18:36

opened the door and fuck. They were

18:38

all there and there. And so now he's,

18:40

you know, doing the best he can.

18:43

but I have flummoxed steven.

18:45

You know, we've talked

18:46

about the brand new lazy booking t

18:49

shirt it went on sale here a few weeks ago. It has

18:51

been so popular.

18:53

And the first lazy booking shirts,

18:55

by the way, are already

18:57

on their way to the consumers. And for the

18:59

first time in months,

19:01

I have

19:02

signed everything

19:05

And

19:05

everything that has been ordered through

19:08

December first has been signed and

19:10

boxed and is in the hands of the feather bottoms.

19:12

That's like five days ago

19:14

It's amazing. But we found

19:16

out something here as it gets close to the end of

19:18

the year and people have been ordering

19:20

a variety of things.

19:22

We not only we

19:25

were so concerned about the lazy booking

19:27

shirts and make sure we had plenty of them in

19:29

stock, we did reorder Cornette face

19:32

shirts. But

19:32

somehow, the inventory

19:34

machine was off kilter

19:36

and come to

19:37

find out that it was a clerical error

19:40

on my part. because

19:42

not being used to all of

19:45

this electronic mumbo jumbo,

19:47

I used kinda just scribble stuff down on

19:49

paper, right, for myself or keep it

19:51

in my head because I was the only one

19:53

involved. I

19:54

have a habit.

19:56

whenever

19:56

somebody sends and this happens

19:58

ever so often, whenever

20:00

somebody sends me a

20:02

rule cool

20:03

piece of wrestling memorabilia in

20:05

the mail or whatever it says here I thought you might

20:07

like to have this because they know I collect

20:09

all this stuff. Will I send back something, whether

20:12

it be a picture or a graphic novel

20:14

or a faction figure or sometimes a

20:16

t shirt? Anacorin,

20:19

I I do give out, you know, the

20:21

the contractors are over here and the Monroe

20:23

brothers and all the people been working

20:26

this year. Every once in

20:26

a while some months, can I have a t shirt?

20:28

Well, sure you can.

20:31

Well, I never bothered to

20:33

tell hautious about these

20:35

things. When I was given up these free shirts

20:37

that he just

20:38

called me a not a not a huff, more

20:41

of a panic

20:42

tough and said, her

20:44

inventory

20:44

doesn't match on the face shirts. We've sold

20:47

out as what?

20:49

apparently,

20:50

over the course of a year, we got a

20:52

couple dozen off on these things.

20:55

And

20:55

so if you are trying to

20:57

order a fake shirt from jim

21:00

dot com and

21:01

get it by Christmas. Your

21:03

window has slammed on your fingers.

21:05

we are reordering,

21:07

and Hodges is gonna

21:09

email

21:09

a few people, handful of

21:11

people that we're gonna have

21:13

to

21:14

make

21:16

good in some respect and

21:18

and get you your shirt later on

21:20

or whatever the case,

21:22

but So you

21:22

cannot Cornette now probably

21:25

and from now

21:26

until Christmas order a Cornette

21:29

face shirt at but you can get the

21:31

fuck out of the lazy booking shirts.

21:33

You can get

21:34

those. Well, while they

21:35

last, because goddamn, I

21:38

don't wanna back

21:38

myself into a corner.

21:40

But anyway, I've been saying,

21:43

Nick,

21:43

used to, I'd say, I'm only

21:45

one man. Now I'll say, I'm only

21:47

one man and hot cases only one man with

21:49

nine fingers

21:51

and a house full of sick

21:53

kids. So if you haven't got your

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Christmas order in,

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Please, within the next couple days,

22:00

domestically, we still got time to get things

22:02

out by Christmas, but we're running out of

22:04

things to get out.

22:05

And if I could say

22:07

something here, because we forgot to mention

22:09

it last time, going into twenty

22:12

twenty For both the experience and the

22:14

drive through, we're looking for all new

22:16

music because it's been a while and we've

22:18

had the song contest going for a while, but we

22:20

actually need new

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music because if you listen to some of the

22:23

lyrics, they're

22:24

all great, but they're kinda dated now.

22:26

We're stuck because it's it's let you

22:28

know, They're wonderful

22:30

songs, but there's new

22:32

things that have happened that we could

22:34

be commented on and lampooned as

22:37

they say. And so we're not

22:39

trying to slough off any of our

22:41

previous artists, but we're gonna change things

22:43

up a little bit. That's right.

22:44

And that's what it is. Continue to send

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your parody songs to corny drive thru at

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gmail dot com for the song parody

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contest and now

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send new intro and outros songs

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to any at gmail dot com for the new intro, outro

22:57

contest. Neither is really

22:58

a contest, but neither is really a concept

23:00

because there's not really prize

23:03

and there's not really a confidence. Just

23:05

this is beauty show. Do

23:06

you want a million people to hear

23:08

your music, whether it's good or bad?

23:10

That's the

23:11

thing. That's where we're given you

23:13

exposure. Who knows? This could be

23:15

the Schwab's drugstore. of

23:17

the music business with this with the

23:19

reach we have with our podcast

23:22

that

23:22

somebody could some undiscovered artist.

23:25

That's why with the original stuff,

23:27

people

23:28

can let their creativity run

23:31

rampant,

23:32

or

23:33

they can keep them bottled up

23:36

and fucking Get an

23:37

ulcer. I don't care. It's your program. It's well,

23:39

I'm gonna try to save it. I'm gonna try it because

23:41

Yes. We did. We talk about my merchandise.

23:44

Yes. We did. We couldn't talk about my TV show. I'm

23:46

just gonna circle that. We'll say that for

23:48

the JCE. Todd,

23:50

by

23:51

the way, the Trump organization guilty

23:55

on all Cornette. I won't go further in. I just wanted

23:57

to say that out loud, guilty on

23:59

every

23:59

charge.

24:01

What

24:03

else we got here?

24:04

Well, since we didn't watch any

24:07

WWE TV this week, you did bring up

24:09

something to me before the show about this Vince

24:11

McMahon documentary. Oh, the

24:14

my friend's advice,

24:16

they're letting me down. They

24:18

need I need to do a seminar

24:20

with the vice people

24:22

on

24:23

promotion

24:25

because apparently the

24:28

they

24:28

are working or have been working on a

24:30

Vince McMahon documentary. And

24:32

it's now

24:33

we find out it's gonna air on

24:36

Tuesday night

24:38

December thirteenth. Right?

24:41

That's the thirteenth next Tuesday.

24:43

Tuesday night, December thirteenth at

24:45

nine o'clock eastern, and we'll talk about that

24:47

a second. But the point is, I

24:49

was bringing this up to you as we spoke

24:52

briefly before we came on

24:54

the air. There has

24:55

never

24:57

been

24:57

a full fledged documentary

25:00

or even any documentary on

25:02

the WWE Network. anywhere else.

25:05

There has not been a documentary on

25:07

the life and

25:08

crimes of Vince McMahon

25:10

there there

25:11

has not been a

25:14

biography or certainly not an autobiography. We've

25:16

heard

25:16

of all these projects that have been in the

25:19

works now. they

25:20

were gonna do a Netflix series on

25:22

Vince and that I believe was

25:25

canceled around about

25:26

the time of the

25:28

public exposure, so to speak, of the

25:31

illegal paralegal.

25:33

There's a guy named Abraham,

25:35

helped me with his last name again,

25:37

Reesman.

25:37

Reisman that is

25:39

doing an unauthorized

25:42

biography of

25:44

a book on Vance, which

25:46

In full

25:47

disclosure, I

25:50

can't wait to read it because there's still

25:52

things about Vince's childhood

25:54

and early formative years

25:56

that I don't fucking understand

25:58

or haven't been able to

25:59

fully grasp my head around. And that

26:02

author and him recently previously did the

26:04

Stanley Biogra Well, yeah. And and

26:06

in full disclosure, I got an email

26:08

from him if I wanted to talk to him and I

26:10

didn't because you know

26:12

what? I can't

26:13

Psychoanalyze, Vince McMahon any better

26:16

than a lot of other people that have worked with

26:18

him for even longer than I did. And I just

26:20

wanna read this fucking book. I don't wanna be

26:22

in it. whether I

26:23

would have been or not. But there's

26:25

a book that's still gonna be coming out.

26:27

The Netflix

26:29

multipart series apparently was

26:32

canceled. There has

26:33

been another project, which one

26:35

am I not

26:36

thinking about that

26:40

There was a thorough history

26:42

that was being done by, I believe, Craig Marks,

26:44

who did the MTV one and other ones previously

26:46

and was one where they had company

26:49

cooperation to the point where he actually got to talk to Vince

26:51

several times. That's also why the

26:53

company was able to specifically request.

26:55

Don't speak to certain people. David Schultz

26:57

was named number one on that list. Yes.

26:59

What? But that's an oral history

27:01

of the WWF. And I'm talking about and

27:03

Vince, the the the movie

27:05

The movie

27:06

where he was doing butt

27:08

things with Linda in the fucking

27:10

leaked episode. Yeah. Yeah. Right?

27:12

That was another project. But so

27:14

there's been all these projects checks about

27:16

Vince being talked about.

27:18

And the first one

27:21

that comes to the air is being

27:23

broadcast is the one on vice

27:25

TV next Tuesday that we talked

27:28

about, and unless

27:30

I've I've been watching tales from

27:33

the territories, maybe not live, but I'll catch it a

27:35

day or two later on

27:37

DVR.

27:37

I haven't been watching

27:38

the reruns of DarkS out of the ring, but I

27:40

have not seen

27:42

a commercial. I have

27:44

not seen of of

27:47

on all the wrestling sites you

27:49

think if I sent

27:51

p

27:51

w insider dot com,

27:54

here

27:54

here's a one minute trailer on

27:56

this Vince McMahon documentary were gonna

27:58

put, you think, they wouldn't have

28:00

disseminated that to the people. All I saw

28:02

was an announcement a couple of days

28:04

ago Then it's gonna

28:05

air next Tuesday. This

28:07

is the

28:09

first ever documentary.

28:11

I don't know what it's gonna look

28:13

like. And I'm not saying it's gonna

28:15

be good or bad or indifferent

28:17

as mama you say. I'm saying, this

28:19

is the first And I

28:21

can't believe that they didn't have

28:23

a strategic plan, especially with a series

28:25

tales from the territories. that's

28:29

been on for the past eight weeks

28:32

that they didn't they're putting

28:34

it on in the territory's time slot

28:36

actually nine to eleven because it's two hour

28:38

documentary, but

28:39

they've had wrestling programming on

28:42

Tuesday night

28:43

for the past two months and they

28:45

didn't beat this up and they

28:47

didn't run a commercial in every dark side

28:49

of the ring repeat because dark

28:51

side as they

28:52

vice themselves said was the highest

28:55

rated program that they've

28:57

had on their

28:59

station. And even

29:01

the reruns, it's just the

29:03

acreage, just the real estate, that it

29:05

takes up on their station

29:07

that wouldn't cost them. I don't take

29:09

a fortune to run commercials for one

29:11

of their programs on their own station.

29:13

And I can't believe further that they

29:16

didn't say, you know what, we've got

29:18

something that nobody's

29:20

done before and brought to

29:22

market. as of this point,

29:25

and we know exactly where the

29:27

target audience is.

29:28

So we're not only gonna do some

29:31

kind of minor by

29:32

With

29:33

every wrestling

29:36

website, just to get them on board with

29:38

us, give them some attention and give them

29:40

these publicity materials, but

29:42

they couldn't go to the

29:44

top ten, fifteen markets

29:46

in the country and do

29:48

a local cable buy

29:50

on RAW or a

29:52

local station buy on

29:54

the Fox station on SmackDown,

29:57

and

29:57

fan Because, I

29:59

mean,

29:59

I I did

30:01

and it's it's it's hard it's

30:03

hard dealing with local cable

30:05

companies on doing specific targeted advertising.

30:08

I want

30:10

these six thirty second spots in

30:12

that particular two hour program or I don't want

30:14

them on your station at all. They don't work

30:16

that way and they don't get that, but you can.

30:19

If you find a salesman that's on the

30:21

ball and knows what the

30:23

fuck

30:23

they're doing and can monitor things, wants to

30:25

make fucking commission

30:27

or

30:27

whatever. But

30:29

in New York and Los Angeles and Chicago,

30:31

when people are watching RAW, a

30:33

commercial for that a documentary

30:36

on Vince McMahon after all of

30:38

this year's publicity? Vice,

30:43

I think,

30:43

has flummox by not getting the word

30:46

out in time and not targeting the word

30:48

in the right place, a chance

30:49

for them to do a million views

30:51

of something on nurse station, which

30:53

is which should be

30:55

pretty attractive for them

30:57

for something like that. What do you think,

31:00

Brian? I think

31:01

it's vice. I mean, I'm not surprised at

31:03

all. They, you know Oh, come on. I've

31:05

elevated that network. Yeah. Hey. Listen. Tell

31:07

some of the territories. doctor Krunk

31:10

kinda vice. People aren't the most

31:12

trusted man in America. You're certainly the

31:14

most valuable person they have on their wrestling

31:16

programs. I I will give

31:18

you that. The nicest guy in prison is the dumb

31:20

that you just Look, tales from the

31:22

territories has been a

31:23

disappointment. Ratings wise, they are

31:26

rock behind it as production company. They did advertise

31:28

the shit out of that. It was in the subways,

31:30

all over

31:31

the place.

31:33

And

31:33

the ratings have been significantly lower than

31:35

dark side of the

31:36

ring. Yes. And it's

31:38

been a and and to be

31:40

honest, and I think

31:42

I think it's we

31:44

love those stories.

31:46

I I wish there were

31:48

a few other people still

31:50

around in some the territories that could have told some of

31:53

them. But

31:57

the It's it's sort of like the

32:00

difference in in what the modern

32:02

wrestling fan

32:05

AEW IndiRific kind of fan. They oh,

32:07

we'll have a great match and that'll draw the viewers.

32:11

And

32:11

the eighties

32:12

WWF fan. I don't get a

32:14

shit where the fucking

32:16

whether it matches any good or not, I wanna see

32:18

stars. Well, the truth probably lies a

32:20

little bit in

32:21

the middle, but with dark

32:23

side of the ring, they had a name to

32:25

hang their hat on or they had an incident

32:27

that people were

32:29

were intrigued by or

32:31

interested in.

32:33

and And by

32:34

the nature of tales from the territories,

32:37

you

32:38

can't really sell

32:39

that on that aspect

32:41

of a star or a tragedy

32:44

or an incident

32:46

because

32:46

they're all different

32:48

tales. You can't you can't if you know

32:50

how to sell it. But again and I'm

32:52

not gonna go into a whole dissertation on the

32:55

failures of the promotion and everything with

32:57

that show and the actual execution, but

32:59

to go into what we're saying. Dark side

33:01

of the ring's most popular show in the history of the

33:03

network. Right, tales from the territories even with

33:05

the rock and all the publicity. Nowhere

33:08

near that, and it's still

33:10

All things considered even with the

33:13

shrinking cable universe, it's a

33:15

small cable network. They

33:17

don't have they they get

33:19

a budget a big

33:21

promotional campaign? Even if it's

33:23

just a wrestling site, are they gonna budget that

33:25

for the Vince McMahon documentary? when we're

33:27

I'm

33:27

not talking about spending ten million dollars

33:29

doing a Super Bowl ad,

33:31

but you're

33:31

talking about a network that doesn't wanna spend

33:34

much Does it wanna

33:35

spend much? I'm not instead of

33:37

wearing a mitzvig man documentary just in

33:39

the regular normal wrestling time slow case

33:41

six months of lee or six six weeks of

33:43

lead promotion on their own station wouldn't

33:46

cost me anything.

33:47

So it's not

33:48

it I'm not saying to spend a ton

33:50

of money. Maybe they're being run by Tony Khan.

33:53

I explain why they do things like that.

33:55

Get the

33:55

word out to make

33:57

sure people know, get the

33:59

buzz. I'm a human

34:01

that I the people are passing. Is that the big

34:03

thing you're still most

34:04

interested in though? Vince McMahon's childhood? Out

34:06

of everything with Vince, that's the thing you're most interested

34:08

in? Yes. because I've I've

34:11

seen or heard in close proximity to or

34:14

talk to

34:16

people

34:17

who who You know,

34:18

we're around at various other

34:21

points in his life, but I

34:23

still don't get I just I

34:26

wanna see it in in linear

34:28

documented fashion because then

34:31

I mean, that's the way you know that

34:33

he was formed. I know the the major points

34:35

and and what led to all

34:37

his picadillos, but I just have to see

34:39

all this took place. It

34:42

will be interesting. I'm one of the people who has

34:44

preordered the biography, I believe. But, Jim,

34:46

before we get going too much further, I wanna ask you

34:48

about a couple of serious topics. Now, how much

34:51

how much new lead time

34:53

do we get on

34:55

the biography, the

34:57

book? Is that gonna be oh,

34:59

it's on sale tomorrow. Oh, shit. What or

35:01

are they gonna promote that of a gun? The Abraham

35:03

Reesman,

35:04

Vince McMahon biography, I preordered

35:07

it in June. and it's due

35:09

out in March. Well, good. It's

35:12

time for

35:12

WrestleMania. Supposed about

35:13

It's time for

35:16

March twenty eight, twenty twenty

35:18

three, Jack, it's time for WrestleMania. Oh,

35:20

me. The name

35:21

of the book?

35:24

Ring Master, Vince McMahon, and the

35:26

unmaking of America. Wow.

35:30

That sounds

35:32

interesting. at

35:32

it's tantalizing. There's another book here, but

35:34

it only has

35:35

one star, the chronicle of Instant Man, the Retirement,

35:37

and Biography, it has one

35:40

star review. What?

35:42

Yeah. There's not there's nothing. Who wrote

35:44

this? What? Some guy, I don't

35:46

wanna some guy. I don't wanna malign

35:48

him here because I don't know anything about this book, but

35:50

one review, one star. But you're

35:52

right. How many other big executives who

35:54

have this longer run and

35:56

especially front and center, right

35:58

in front of the camera, There's no

35:59

biographies. There's nothing good. You know, the

36:01

six lies and unlocks comes up here

36:04

the Mike Mouni Handbook, but that's a different

36:06

animal altogether. And the

36:08

lobby Mark always book a That's that's

36:10

not Vince's life from

36:12

start to well, not finish. He's

36:14

not done with it yet, but Vince's

36:16

life from chronologically

36:18

from start to today has not been

36:20

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36:24

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Jim, before we go much further, as I said, let me ask you a couple serious

36:56

topics. This is what I saw this morning,

36:58

and it's a restaurant I'm not terribly familiar

37:00

with, but I know you worked with them.

37:03

An article in Sports Illustrated released on SI

37:06

dot com by Justin

37:08

Barrasso. After his

37:10

cancer diagnosis, MLW

37:12

star Richard Holiday has one

37:14

eye. And it says halfway through a

37:16

course of chemotherapy to treat

37:18

Hodgkin's lymphoma, His sole

37:20

focus is on returning to the

37:22

rain. Oh, you

37:24

know, I just got goosebumps when you

37:26

said that because I just saw that on the Internet yesterday.

37:30

In twenty nineteen, I did

37:34

some of the color commentary for MLB

37:36

Major League wrestling, for

37:38

our

37:38

old friend, Court Bower,

37:42

And Richard

37:43

Holiday, along with

37:45

MJF and Alexander

37:48

Hammerstone, was a three

37:50

man heel group that they

37:52

were calling the they

37:54

were the dynasty. Right? And

37:56

other rich kids, the, you know, The

37:58

hammer stone was the, you know, college joc and

38:01

football hero type. And and

38:03

the other two

38:04

were the snooty rich

38:07

kids from the Hamptons and the whole it's

38:09

just they were

38:11

incredible.

38:11

And

38:13

obviously, you know,

38:15

holidays from New England, I believe. And hammerstone

38:18

has gotten a little attention

38:22

because he is is either

38:24

currently the MLW champion or

38:26

he and Jacob Fotu traded back

38:29

and forth. He's been used as a top guy there.

38:31

MDF, we know what he's been up

38:33

to. And

38:34

I hadn't really heard

38:35

Richard Holiday's name over

38:38

the last little while, year, whatever. And then I saw that that

38:40

he's already, as you

38:42

said, halfway through

38:44

chemotherapy for

38:46

For what if for Hodgkin's lymphoma is which it's

38:48

a form of cancer. I don't I can't differentiate

38:51

one from another. Right. But

38:53

he's thirty years old. And

38:56

so

38:56

I just my mouth dropped

38:59

open. And, you know,

39:00

first of all, I hope he's doing

39:03

well and

39:04

and beats that thing.

39:06

But, you know, just

39:08

to put it in perspective,

39:12

Honestly, if Tony had

39:14

been smart enough or wanting

39:16

to spend enough money or whatever the

39:18

fuck it would have taken, to

39:21

get MJF and hammerstone

39:23

in holiday all at the same

39:26

time for AEW, that would

39:28

have been his top

39:30

heel group. for

39:31

still, probably. They were

39:33

fucking

39:34

great together

39:36

they played off of it.

39:39

They each had a distinct personality

39:42

and each had a distinct

39:44

way of speaking and each had a distinct way of working, but the

39:46

same time, they worked well

39:48

together. And like I said, the

39:52

know,

39:52

click of fucking

39:54

snooty,

39:54

modern day suit

39:57

wear and sunglasses, fucking

40:00

they each had their own personality within that

40:02

kind of group. And, you

40:03

know, and and I loved getting a

40:06

chance to

40:08

produce some of the interview segments

40:10

they did

40:12

because it

40:12

was it was just

40:14

you know,

40:18

observing what they would do and

40:20

say with each other in kind of the way

40:22

if they would rib or tell a joke or

40:24

just whatever, and

40:26

letting them do that with each

40:28

other and then turning and getting to the point

40:30

of the the

40:31

promo, whoever they were gonna

40:34

talk about, and it didn't look

40:35

so phony and each came off as natural.

40:37

You know, with the they're laying out

40:39

by the pool. Hammer's

40:42

owns almost naked and he's tanning because he's the fucking

40:44

body guy. And him

40:46

j f has, like,

40:48

fucking Burberry shorts and

40:52

a fucking scarf on with flip flops, but holidays in

40:54

a three piece suit at

40:56

the pool, but he's reading the fucking Wall

40:58

Street Journal because he was the

41:00

financial fi

41:02

whatever. or I

41:02

walked in one time and

41:04

hammerstone is doing

41:05

push ups to get

41:07

a pump. for, you know,

41:10

the promo. Right? And I asked him a

41:12

legitimate question because I was

41:14

thinking of

41:16

another idea. And I said, how many push ups can you do? And he said, all

41:18

of them. I said, perfect.

41:20

I said, there's your fight. There's the intro to the

41:22

fucking promo we're about

41:24

to do. So he's doing fucking push ups, and

41:26

holidays reading a fucking Wall Street journal, and

41:28

MJP is there doing whatever. And

41:30

MJP looks over

41:32

and says, Hamerstone, how

41:34

many push ups can you do, and he says, all

41:36

of them. And then they do that.

41:38

It was just so

41:40

anyway, point is that that was a

41:42

money drawn

41:43

group, a three

41:44

man kind of team of individuals that

41:47

at the same time you could

41:49

put them in different combinations,

41:50

you know, with mainstream television and

41:53

some talent to work with, you could

41:54

draw drawn money with those guys.

41:58

and

41:58

holidays work just he he was the

42:00

guy in the

42:01

middle because

42:03

hammer

42:05

stone was visually so big,

42:07

and MJF verbally is so fucking great.

42:09

But holidays work and

42:10

his talking was just as good

42:12

as anybody else on the show, if

42:16

not better. So,

42:16

anyway, so I just you

42:18

know, I I hate to hear someone how

42:22

the fuck

42:24

Does something like that even happen to a

42:26

guy's thirty years old that's an

42:28

athlete? That you look at pictures

42:30

of Jim. He's

42:32

in shape. You know, it just it can happen

42:34

to anybody. That's

42:36

the problem with

42:36

cancer. It can

42:37

happen to anyone at any

42:40

time and We certainly wish the very best for Richard Holiday. We hope he does get

42:42

to come back. And also if

42:44

he has an MLB contract, we

42:45

hope he's released from it, so we get to see him

42:47

when he comes back. But

42:50

not, you know, one of those guys out there and you

42:52

bring him hammerstone too when people like, oh,

42:54

but who's Tony supposed to have on his

42:58

roster? There are two guys that would be better than a lot of the

43:00

other people that are

43:01

there right now. Yeah. But, generally,

43:03

we've

43:04

talked many times about

43:06

Jacob

43:07

Fattoo, so there's no sense beating that dead Simone Werewolf.

43:09

Is there any value real

43:11

quick?

43:11

Is it aside?

43:14

Do

43:14

you think there's value to Jacob beyond

43:16

his actual

43:17

talents? Just because of

43:19

the relation

43:20

to Roman reigns in the bloodline?

43:23

Guess. I mean, is your if

43:25

it's not as your WW, if your

43:27

AEW.

43:29

If you're anybody,

43:30

If you're anybody, the it

43:34

it's written

43:36

itself already. Here's

43:39

see I'd go longer down the street. He looks like somebody you don't wanna

43:41

fucking mess with. He's not that tall.

43:43

He's my height. He's six feet

43:46

tall. When I watched him work, I think he's lost a

43:48

little weight. Last time I saw a clip, he's a

43:50

little lighter, but he's is he two

43:52

fifty? Is

43:52

he two seventy? I don't

43:56

fucking know. but he not only fucking looks like

43:58

somebody you don't wanna fuck with when he's walking

43:59

down the street, but then he gets in

44:02

the ring

44:04

and

44:05

does far and away

44:08

athletic things that you would look

44:11

at his physique in his build and say,

44:14

no. This is a guy that

44:15

can moonsault not make it look fucking

44:17

phony. He's not

44:19

like pack. Riaz

44:20

fucking get up on a top rope and superglue his feet

44:22

to the fucking turnbuckle for thirty seconds,

44:24

get his balance. He

44:26

flies at people. He fucking

44:28

flips. And again, you know, people are gonna say,

44:31

oh, cornet's talking about flips. Well, when

44:33

any trampoline cowboy that weighs one hundred and

44:35

seventy five pounds can do

44:37

some, it's one thing. What is a two hundred and sixty

44:39

pound samoan? And he's got better

44:40

form and it comes out of nowhere,

44:43

but he springs up. He does the

44:45

moon salt. He's going over in

44:47

mid air, he's gonna fucking land

44:48

on his guy, knee first, probably in his

44:51

face, but he sees that

44:54

instinctively. and he

44:56

raised his knee up to the side and

44:58

boom and landed perfectly where he didn't

45:00

hurt to get a look like a killing.

45:02

because

45:02

when I recorded it on television, I watched it

45:05

back in slow motion and

45:06

you could tell

45:07

as soon as he

45:09

was turning over backwards where

45:11

he could see the guy,

45:13

he just spread

45:14

his leg out a little

45:16

bit. And when

45:16

I mentioned it to him afterwards, he didn't

45:18

even know he'd done it. It was just was instinctive. But

45:21

the point I'm making is

45:23

this thing has has written

45:25

itself, but nobody will take

45:27

advantage of it. So low for as good as

45:29

he is, so low

45:32

is in the spot that Jacob

45:34

Fattoo should be in in

45:38

WWE

45:38

w w e

45:40

as the enforcer

45:40

of the street fighter because he

45:42

looks solo looks clean. He's got

45:44

a nice haircut. He's got clean

45:47

gear. Fucking Jacob Potts who looks like

45:49

a goddamn beast.

45:52

And yet, I from meeting

45:54

him and talking to him a few times,

45:57

I get to feel it. He's one of these guys.

45:59

He probably

45:59

grew up in a rough

46:01

neighborhood around some rough people and have probably

46:04

done some things that people had

46:05

grow up in those places and know those people have

46:08

done, but he's not like a

46:10

goddamn ax murder or criminal

46:12

or lunatic or whatever. He but

46:14

he sure comes off as one when he turns it on. And that's the thing.

46:17

This guy emits

46:22

animosity and aggression

46:24

and danger and the sense that he

46:26

would go into business for himself even

46:28

though he's nobody because we got rocklessner,

46:30

he can still give off the aura that

46:32

he'll go into business for himself and fuck somebody

46:34

up just on a whim because he's got fuck you

46:36

money and he don't give a shit.

46:40

Well, this guy's on the other

46:41

end of the fucking spectrum. You pretty much look

46:43

at him

46:43

and say, he ain't got shit

46:45

that he really gives a fuck about

46:47

a losing. Right? This fucking

46:49

character so fuck it. He don't

46:52

care. That's the

46:54

the aura that you have to have danger

46:56

with somebody like that. You have to have an

46:58

aura of danger. So you

47:00

asked about AEW. Jesus,

47:04

Mary and Joseph on

47:06

a fucking zebra. I didn't ask you about AW for using him

47:08

just for what he is. I said

47:10

specifically about the fact that he's related

47:12

to the top stars in

47:14

WWE. Well, yes, but here's the

47:16

gimmick. Here's the the

47:17

gimmick for anybody.

47:20

This is

47:20

the black sheep of the fucking family

47:23

and look at the territory

47:25

that takes in. When

47:26

you talk about all the fucking

47:29

some Moan wrestlers in the

47:32

island boys and whether

47:34

it's

47:34

the the Ottawa

47:35

family or the fucking

47:38

widen it out to the barbarian

47:40

and the fucking hot coup,

47:42

and the legendary lineages

47:44

in the of Moans and Peter MiVIA, this

47:46

guy is too hot for all

47:48

of them to touch, the black sheep of

47:52

the family. build

47:54

up the danger about this fucking guy.

47:56

He's been in jail. He's been in

47:58

solitary. They fucking well,

48:00

they wrapped him up in a a goddamn straight

48:02

jacket one time and put him in a rubber room Jim the puzzle factory

48:05

when he cleared out a

48:07

goddamn gang bar. because the

48:10

fucking performance that this guy

48:12

puts on, if it was a

48:14

straight, but I mean a serious presentation,

48:18

somebody that don't give a

48:20

fuck and has got nothing to lose and

48:22

has been overlooked because he was the

48:24

black sheep of

48:26

the family, and the others don't want a part of

48:28

him. And he's got

48:30

and

48:30

like I said, if I was

48:32

ever gonna come, which I ain't,

48:35

But manage

48:36

anybody anymore at

48:39

all. This is the

48:41

fucking guy that you could take

48:43

or any great mouthpiece And

48:45

maybe a Hammond might not

48:48

even fit this just because

48:51

a Hammond besides

48:53

fact, he's my age. I don't know

48:55

that I think it needs to be

48:57

somebody different and somebody new but that

48:59

can talk and could get

49:01

that point across. and

49:03

bring this guy out and say he

49:06

will fuck you up. And

49:08

he he really will drink your blood

49:10

and eat

49:12

and

49:12

just flesh

49:14

that background out in that

49:16

way. It's not hard to believe.

49:19

There's

49:20

elements in there of truth

49:22

if if, you

49:24

a you know his

49:26

know,

49:26

his you know, I don't wanna say criminal record, but whatever he's

49:28

got on his record that maybe people,

49:30

you know, haven't wanted to fucking

49:32

splurge on him so

49:34

Jim,

49:35

But he's a natural fucking

49:38

talent. And even more natural,

49:40

I've seen most of the samowans since

49:42

the fucking

49:44

samowans. And this has more natural in the ring than most

49:46

of them. Well, Jim, I said

49:48

that we had a couple serious topics. Let me

49:51

ask you about one more. And

49:53

it's

49:53

Well, I was about to say we started off

49:55

on Richard holiday in regard to

49:57

Jacob Fattoo and by

49:59

of six degrees of separation or whatever, but

50:02

also, again, we do

50:04

wish Richard all

50:04

the best because and and

50:07

you know, at

50:08

that age, he can he can

50:10

kick his thing

50:11

out and and still have a

50:13

good career. And, you know, so that's

50:15

that's the most important thing.

50:17

Well, Jed,

50:17

more sad news this weekend. It is still a

50:20

developing story, but as of

50:22

this morning, I believe, still

50:24

Barry Wyndham. is in an ICU, in a hospital

50:26

in Florida, having

50:27

various health ailments that go fund me

50:29

has been set up by his family,

50:31

I believe by his niece,

50:34

And of course, you were around Barry Wyndham during some of those

50:36

great years when he was if he wasn't the best

50:38

wrestler in the business, he was in the conversation. So what

50:40

are your thoughts about all this Barry Wyndham

50:44

news? Oh, again, I hated to

50:46

hear that. It was just a couple of days ago.

50:50

And apparently, The news

50:52

story

50:53

that I saw said he had also

50:55

he had had a heart attack, like,

50:57

ten years ago or

50:59

somewhere in that time frame and had gone through some

51:01

type of, you know, lengthy, you

51:03

know, recovery or rehabilitation or whatever

51:05

off of that.

51:08

And because Barry's I'm sixty one. He's sixty two.

51:10

And, you know, he

51:13

again, you know, I'm like, it

51:15

used to

51:15

be all those you

51:18

know, the people when they get old. Now it's like, oh, shit.

51:21

But you were

51:23

right. He he was definitely

51:25

at one point in time.

51:28

time the best

51:28

babyface in the business without

51:31

question. Were was,

51:33

you know, was flair still the best

51:35

heel and then pick it

51:37

from there and, you know, and there was another couple

51:39

of people in the, you know, in

51:41

the talk, but not many, but he's

51:43

just so good. And

51:45

You know, that's the thing he grew up

51:47

around the business because he was

51:50

obviously the son of

51:52

Blackjack Mulligan. But he was another

51:54

guy who was so natural. You

51:56

couldn't teach that, and most

51:58

people who grew up around the

51:59

business even

52:02

knowing how to

52:02

look at it and with a critical eye

52:04

from being a teenager. And

52:07

they still couldn't

52:10

do that type of thing with their

52:12

bodies, the the coordination

52:14

and the the smoothness

52:17

that he had. And for

52:19

a guy that size,

52:21

I I don't was he six

52:23

six or six seven thereabouts?

52:26

Two sixty, two seventy, he

52:28

was you know,

52:29

a thin lie, as they say, he wasn't a

52:31

a body builder, but he was in great

52:33

shape. Cardio, he could go

52:36

all night.

52:37

it would, you know,

52:38

I'd never saw him to

52:40

the point

52:40

where, you know, he was blown up and

52:43

looking for any kind of rest

52:45

even with fucking flair.

52:46

but just the coordination and just the the

52:49

natural ability he had to

52:51

take the the bump that you wouldn't

52:53

think again a guy with that kind

52:56

of size and that kind of body, you know, would

52:58

take or the over the top rope

53:00

bump where he never even

53:02

grabbed anything. He would just able

53:05

to get drop kicked and turned, and

53:08

because he was so tall, the top rope was at

53:10

his waist, and he would just bend

53:12

over forward and go over

53:14

the top broken, roll off the the rolling bumps that were

53:16

he didn't need to touch anything. He just

53:18

used his body to turn himself

53:20

in the air. It was it was

53:23

cool to watch. And it looked at the same time like he

53:25

was completely out of

53:28

control. But,

53:29

you know,

53:31

Painfully thin when

53:32

he first got into business,

53:34

and that's the problem Kendall had

53:37

also, his brother, was

53:40

that if everybody remembers

53:42

Blackjack, he had already played in the

53:44

NFL and, you know,

53:46

Bob Wyndham and was

53:48

fucking

53:48

huge three hundred and something pounds when he first started the

53:51

business. His sons

53:52

were thinner, but then the problem

53:54

becomes, I think, the jeans

53:58

takeover.

53:58

And the

53:59

last time I saw

54:00

Kendall was one of the Charlotte fanfests, I

54:02

think, like six or seven years

54:04

ago, and he was the size Berry.

54:07

Remember how thin Kendall was? He was a size

54:09

that Berry used to be in the old days like

54:11

two hundred seventy five pounds and Berry

54:13

had to be you

54:16

know,

54:16

three twenty five or thirty

54:18

or forty or whatever the fuck it was.

54:21

So I

54:22

think that, you know, the

54:24

the Wyndham

54:25

jeans, you know,

54:27

catch up caught up with them

54:29

when they stop being more

54:31

physically active. But

54:33

Yeah. Barry,

54:34

the the best trilogy, everybody talks

54:36

about flare and steamboat.

54:39

In eighty nine,

54:41

But flare and Wyndham

54:44

in eighty what

54:45

was it? Six and seven?

54:47

Did they start the

54:48

the battle of the belts in Tampa, the

54:51

Crocket Cup in Baltimore? And what was

54:53

the other? Or the Battle of Bels

54:55

was Saint Pete? Battle of Bels was eighty

54:57

six. Obviously Crock a cup

54:59

was eighty seven. Crocket Cup was eighty seven. There was one more

55:01

real oh, the worldwide worldwide match. I

55:04

want the whole

55:06

show. Yeah. I

55:08

mean, those were in

55:10

in their own way as good

55:13

as flare and steamboat. And in

55:15

some ways, they were, you know, even better because

55:17

I think that's the

55:20

one thing of

55:22

in

55:22

the business at the time with steamboat, you say

55:24

his selling was pretty and

55:26

his moves were pretty because he

55:28

was so smooth and so And

55:31

some some of the guy, like, only would not have as pretty. But it

55:33

was it was a different way

55:34

of communicating pain, but

55:36

Barry's

55:38

fights were grittier. And so

55:40

in some cases, I think

55:43

that, you know, BW

55:46

and Rick overachieved

55:48

their flair and steamboats

55:50

trilogy. But anyway, I mean,

55:52

I've told his story before also, but because

55:54

when he'd get in a ring with Bobby Eaton,

55:56

Then, you

55:57

know, when we would work

55:59

a

55:59

program with Barry and Ronnie

56:02

Garbinder, that time

56:02

they were a tag team in in eighty seven,

56:04

all So at at the same time

56:06

he's having all these great matches, a lot

56:08

of his regular

56:10

run was with

56:12

Ronnie, I guess, to midnight

56:14

for the US tag team title, and then he's

56:16

doing other shit. And then by the next year,

56:18

he switched heel. I mean,

56:20

he was figured in all the time.

56:22

Does he loved him? because that that

56:24

kind of work, who wouldn't? But

56:26

when he'd get in a ring with Bobby Eaton,

56:28

on spot shows, they would amuse themselves by because

56:31

they were both so good and so

56:33

natural and so effortless that

56:36

they would just fuck around and nobody would know they would have

56:39

matches on their knees. Somewhere

56:41

another fucking

56:43

Bobby would end

56:44

up on his knees begging and

56:47

Barry would grab his arm and Barry

56:49

go down to a knee and arm drag

56:51

Bobby off his knees. and

56:53

then goddamn they'd start doing a thing where Bobby would

56:55

hit the ropes out of a handlock on his knees,

56:58

but he'd hit the second

57:00

rope and come back and fucking

57:02

Barry would picking up for a scoop's lamb while Barry was on his

57:04

knees. And they would have matches

57:06

like they'd given each other a handicap to make

57:08

it a little more difficult. The people wouldn't know the

57:10

fucking difference

57:12

it all looked natural like they were jockeying for position

57:14

somehow, and neither one had time

57:16

to get off their fucking knees.

57:19

is and there's a it's a

57:21

goddamn thing I've ever seen. I wish they'd

57:23

actually videotaped any of our shows

57:26

back in those days. We were

57:28

and fucking Covington, Virginia.

57:30

But it it you

57:32

know, again, that's why

57:34

I think buried by

57:36

the late And

57:38

they, you know, they they

57:40

tried that fucking stalker thing at

57:43

that one point that where Vince tried to make it because he

57:46

found out Barry liked to hunt down in the

57:48

woods in Florida or whatever. So

57:50

suddenly he was a

57:52

face painted I don't know what, the son

57:54

of skinner. And

57:56

and jacket around with different gimmicks

57:58

and everything, the WWF crowd,

58:02

never really got a chance to see Barry. But

58:04

by that point, also, he'd been in the

58:06

business. He

58:07

started what?

58:08

Seventy nine

58:10

in seventy nine

58:10

or eighty, because Claire and Blackjack

58:12

had

58:13

bought Knoxville.

58:16

And Barry

58:16

started as Blackjack

58:17

Mulligan junior, and he

58:20

was about three inches around, but he

58:22

was only, what, nineteen

58:23

at that point.

58:26

So

58:27

know, he

58:28

by the time that the WWF

58:31

run couple of them happened

58:33

in the nineties, he been

58:35

the business almost twenty years. They he had hurt

58:37

knees several times. And

58:40

I think he just after the

58:44

Early nineties lost

58:44

a lot of his motivation around

58:47

the same time as

58:48

his knees went out. Yeah. And

58:50

and, you know, when you

58:52

you have knee problems, and then there was was in middle of

58:54

the, you know, the WCW

58:59

Turner

58:59

Broadcasting era

59:02

and

59:02

nobody was happy anywhere. And

59:05

I think

59:06

it wasn't the last

59:07

major runny head down there. Wasn't he

59:10

part of the

59:11

They made the West Texas red next. Right?

59:14

Him and Jim Dunkin' Jr. and

59:16

some of the other guys that did the

59:18

rap is crap thing and ended up

59:20

getting over his heels because everybody was sick of the rappers. Him, Duncan junior,

59:22

Kendall, and Kurt Hennig. Yeah.

59:26

And that was probably worth

59:28

the price of admission riding a car

59:31

with those guys just for Barry

59:33

and fucking Kurt. There's

59:36

so many what ifs around

59:38

Barry, like at different points in his career, what

59:40

if he had stayed with Dusty in eighty four, what

59:42

if he had not left Vince McMahon in eighty five?

59:45

What if, you know, I mean, it's one after another. What

59:47

if he had not quit at the beginning of eighty

59:49

nine? Yeah. To do nothing over there because again,

59:52

that's the period of time where His dad

59:53

and his brother got into trouble and that may have played a part

59:55

in that. There's so many whatives for

59:57

a guy who was one of the

59:59

most talented

59:59

guys for at

1:00:00

least half of the eighties, yet to say top tier. Well, and,

1:00:03

you know, and that's

1:00:04

a thing though he inherited from

1:00:07

blackjack that

1:00:08

he would the

1:00:10

Wyndhams would give

1:00:11

notice and leave or just

1:00:13

leave possibly sometimes without giving

1:00:15

notice if they wanted

1:00:17

to and it sometimes

1:00:20

it it

1:00:20

was like, Jesus Christ, he

1:00:23

just got here. And

1:00:24

because he did he'd left Dusty was gonna,

1:00:27

you know, always have BW

1:00:28

as his right hand man.

1:00:32

but then

1:00:32

he left to go to New York. Just long

1:00:34

enough for Dusty to get Magnum, but

1:00:36

then he left New York

1:00:38

and kept, okay. Well,

1:00:41

That same

1:00:41

Magnum had just had his accident, so now

1:00:44

we got BW back.

1:00:45

But that didn't land and then Dusty

1:00:47

was gone and then Blah

1:00:50

blah blah. And he would, you know, he would go back and

1:00:52

forth on,

1:00:54

I don't say, a whim, but

1:00:57

it didn't seem like there was a lot

1:00:59

of thought put into it when all the other

1:01:01

territories had gone away.

1:01:03

in And you

1:01:04

were, you know, working

1:01:05

on your third resignation from each of

1:01:07

the ones that

1:01:10

were left. But

1:01:11

nevertheless, I

1:01:14

don't I saw a report

1:01:16

that, you know, they may have

1:01:16

done some type of surgery. I don't know

1:01:19

if that's like a bypass or opening up

1:01:21

of, you know, blockage

1:01:23

or whatever they do. But,

1:01:25

yeah, you know, Jeez, I

1:01:27

certainly hope he

1:01:29

gets, you know, whatever

1:01:31

treatment and and gets

1:01:34

better, but

1:01:35

You know,

1:01:36

once I guess,

1:01:38

didn't Blackjack have heart issues also?

1:01:40

Maybe it's a genetic thing,

1:01:42

and you gotta

1:01:44

watch that. Yeah. I know that's

1:01:45

I keep an eye on mine all the time.

1:01:47

I have to get in front of the one of

1:01:49

those grinch things to magnify it so I

1:01:51

can see it, but

1:01:52

So anyway, we certainly

1:01:53

hope everything works out, and then they

1:01:55

are they do have to

1:01:57

go fund me. have a go fund

1:01:59

me page on the

1:02:00

GoFundMe thing, and I

1:02:03

think some of

1:02:04

it could you know, the

1:02:06

Wyndham family in some way or

1:02:09

another touched a lot of

1:02:10

different people in the business and, you know,

1:02:13

a lot of

1:02:13

people looked up

1:02:15

to either

1:02:18

dad or Barry's generation or

1:02:20

whatever now, Bray Wyatt.

1:02:23

so So, anyway,

1:02:24

hopefully everything works out. Hopefully,

1:02:27

someone can point very wide in the direction of

1:02:29

that go fund me for his uncle.

1:02:31

But Jim,

1:02:32

it would seem like that

1:02:33

he could probably Chip

1:02:35

in at this point with his

1:02:38

recent success. Jim, what's in this

1:02:40

segment on a little bit of a upbeat

1:02:42

note? You growing up so close

1:02:44

to Cincinnati Today's the

1:02:46

75th birthday as we are recording of

1:02:48

Johnny Bench. Cincinnati Red's Catcher,

1:02:50

was he a big deal when you were

1:02:52

a kid? For

1:02:52

yeah. I was never a baseball

1:02:54

fan, but

1:02:56

right having said that,

1:02:59

In the

1:02:59

days of the

1:03:01

Pete Rose Johnny

1:03:04

bench era, you even on our

1:03:06

local television, local news,

1:03:07

you couldn't get away from Cincinnati

1:03:10

ReDS. And

1:03:11

also, Anglola

1:03:13

lived up in Covington right across the river

1:03:15

from Cincinnati. So every time I would go up there and see their dues,

1:03:17

I mean, they were those

1:03:20

names those names That

1:03:22

was the biggest thing in Cincinnati. And at the time, Louisville

1:03:25

didn't have any professional

1:03:27

sports except wrestling. So,

1:03:30

you know, the the Cincinnati Cornette

1:03:32

a in effect were our baseball

1:03:36

team because that was closest one to it's

1:03:38

ninety miles. as the crow flies or as the as the

1:03:40

pop up flies.

1:03:42

But yes, Johnny Bench was a

1:03:43

big big

1:03:46

deal and than Pete

1:03:48

Rose especially was because Pete Rose was

1:03:50

an even bigger star back

1:03:52

in

1:03:52

those days on the team than Johnny Bench

1:03:54

was, but you heard all of those

1:03:56

names

1:03:56

regularly. And what was the old woman that

1:03:59

owned the team? Hard

1:04:01

shot. Hard

1:04:02

shot.

1:04:04

She always she

1:04:05

was mentioned quite often as III

1:04:08

remember the west of the

1:04:10

Cornettes, the

1:04:12

last shopped years of mentions of her weren't weren't

1:04:14

kindly. And she was like this surly

1:04:16

old woman that you just see fucking

1:04:19

smoked a cigar and fucking hanging around with May

1:04:22

Young. A racist anti

1:04:24

Semitic woman would have a dog named

1:04:26

Schottsey that she would -- Yes. -- players

1:04:28

that kiss Shodsey. Yes. Nevermind. She's

1:04:30

always holding shotsy in her

1:04:32

arm. Yes.

1:04:35

the You're

1:04:36

a big fan of the Cincinnati Reds and you'd like

1:04:38

to see pictures of the big red machine, Johnny bench Pete

1:04:41

Rose, Joe Morgan, George

1:04:43

Foster, all the rest. perhaps

1:04:45

you're a fan of racist dogs

1:04:47

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1:04:50

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1:05:04

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1:05:04

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1:05:07

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1:05:09

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1:05:12

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1:05:18

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1:11:00

Alrighty. wanted to ask you what

1:11:02

I thought about the other day, so I was reading some comments on one of the videos and I saw something that thought it was a really interesting

1:11:04

point and I really

1:11:07

started thinking about it.

1:11:09

Jim, when you look at AEW, and you look at

1:11:11

all the problems they're currently having. There have been long term

1:11:13

problems that were ignored by a

1:11:15

lot of people. then

1:11:18

now all of a sudden they're recognizing it. It's a little weird

1:11:20

when the people who thought Tony was a good booker

1:11:22

and now all of a sudden saying, well, maybe

1:11:25

not so much, but the show's not radically different

1:11:27

than it was other than what Sam punk

1:11:29

was doing things. When you look at

1:11:31

all the AW problems this year,

1:11:33

Was Vince

1:11:34

McMahon retiring slash resigning? The worst

1:11:36

thing that

1:11:39

happened to AEW?

1:11:41

You know

1:11:42

what? Yes. In short version, I

1:11:44

think it

1:11:46

may have been because

1:11:49

because

1:11:52

I

1:11:52

mean, go back three years

1:11:53

or four

1:11:54

years now if it's been or

1:11:56

whatever to the first, the

1:11:58

the the first

1:11:59

all in, right, before there

1:12:01

was

1:12:02

an AEW.

1:12:03

And everybody

1:12:04

was amazed and

1:12:07

they attributed this you know,

1:12:09

a quick sellout and huge gate and

1:12:11

blah blah blah to the

1:12:14

to the

1:12:16

appeal and the notoriety and

1:12:17

the drawing power and etcetera of

1:12:19

the elite. Right? Cornettes,

1:12:23

oh my god. These guys and then everybody started

1:12:25

making offers and etcetera,

1:12:28

etcetera.

1:12:28

What did I

1:12:30

say at

1:12:32

the time? I said this

1:12:33

go ahead. I was gonna say what I remember you're saying

1:12:35

was this is the biggest crowd funding.

1:12:39

This is the biggest crowdfunding event

1:12:42

in wrestling history. The

1:12:44

idea

1:12:47

and the appeal was that

1:12:49

the really hardcore fans, the

1:12:51

the amount or

1:12:54

number give or take

1:12:57

that watch AEW Television Now,

1:12:59

those most that most dedicated

1:13:03

and vociferous group

1:13:05

they are pissed off because their favorites have

1:13:07

been maligned and mistreated

1:13:10

by the evil empire. I've

1:13:14

been saying all along that the fucking mister

1:13:16

McMahon was the greatest heel in

1:13:19

wrestling, and since then that they

1:13:21

haven't been to get off the heel

1:13:23

authority figure that turned the company heel

1:13:25

in twenty five years.

1:13:26

And that group of fans

1:13:29

Wanted

1:13:29

to see that's why they were Indy fans because they like the Indy's because it's

1:13:32

not vincey. Cornettes

1:13:36

wanted to see their favorite wrestlers that

1:13:38

had either been held down by

1:13:43

the evil empire of the WWE or had

1:13:46

never been given a chance or the Darling's that they saw on the

1:13:48

the You

1:13:51

know, entertainment in these that they were watching

1:13:53

instead of the WWE, but there was a

1:13:56

massive backlash amongst

1:13:58

that group over

1:13:59

the idea that Vince

1:14:01

McMahon had a monopoly on wrestling and

1:14:03

they smoked the opium and

1:14:04

they wished

1:14:08

and they prayed

1:14:08

and they clutched their pearls and they dreamed

1:14:10

of the day that they could support somebody

1:14:12

that was gonna put Vince

1:14:14

McMahon in his place. and

1:14:20

then along came

1:14:22

Tony Cornette do that.

1:14:25

And

1:14:25

boy, Howdy. Well, then and now in the sports based

1:14:27

presentation. And, you know,

1:14:30

we're

1:14:31

gonna be wrestler

1:14:32

friendly and

1:14:34

fan friendly and all the buzz words and the, you the

1:14:36

the all the buzz words and a burrito

1:14:39

the the idea that

1:14:40

the elite were

1:14:42

now gonna be the EVPs because they're the start of this revolution. They weren't the start

1:14:47

of the revolution.

1:14:48

They were the guys that were in the middle

1:14:50

of it when they put together the crowd fund.

1:14:54

That's the genius idea.

1:14:57

Vince McMahon has so much heat

1:14:59

that we will create a promotion that we whoa

1:15:02

create a promotion solely owned

1:15:05

and operated or manipulated or whatever by the wrestlers that aren't

1:15:07

gonna end so that way the

1:15:10

wrestlers won't get fucked around. That was the concept of it. And they

1:15:12

took their built in audience and

1:15:14

applied it to that. And

1:15:17

I

1:15:17

said that also.

1:15:19

I said, Now

1:15:20

what happens as

1:15:22

this thing became a reality when

1:15:24

the counter culture

1:15:27

becomes the man when

1:15:30

it's now it's not the wrestlers, you

1:15:32

know, getting

1:15:34

all the

1:15:35

money and doing

1:15:36

for

1:15:38

themselves and all those people had bought

1:15:40

a ticket to see Chicago to knew it

1:15:42

was going right into Cody's pocket, into

1:15:45

the Bucks pocket, and

1:15:47

twinkle toes pocket, whatever. Now there's a

1:15:49

billionaire involved, but Tony was mark ish enough

1:15:51

in his appearance to

1:15:55

appeal to that same fan base where

1:15:56

they were gonna give him a chance

1:15:58

because they were smoking the

1:15:59

opium and they

1:16:01

didn't

1:16:02

wanna hear anything different

1:16:04

the front

1:16:05

And that still was

1:16:07

mostly the case until

1:16:09

at the same

1:16:12

time that you

1:16:15

know, instead of the seven year

1:16:17

itch, he started getting the three year cracks

1:16:19

because that's how long it took

1:16:21

for all this festering in

1:16:23

AEW's locker room and clicks

1:16:25

and different divisions and thoughts

1:16:27

on what the business

1:16:28

ought to be and no

1:16:31

leadership or blah blah blah. started festering

1:16:33

combined with all of

1:16:35

a sudden Vince

1:16:37

all of a sudden vince

1:16:39

catch is on fire in public. I

1:16:42

mean, it it made

1:16:44

anybody

1:16:45

that was mad

1:16:48

the heat is off

1:16:50

of him now because he was taken down, you

1:16:53

know, exposed as

1:16:56

a preverb and

1:16:58

run off. And now the wrestler friendly wrestler,

1:17:01

son-in-law,

1:17:04

that championed

1:17:07

all of this same

1:17:08

kind of audiences

1:17:10

favorite wrestlers up

1:17:11

to and

1:17:14

including Johnny fucking Gargano, And

1:17:16

whose placement as an EVP

1:17:18

is the only reason these guys wanted to be EVPs in AW.

1:17:23

Exactly to counteract that yeah.

1:17:26

It is

1:17:26

now the fans that

1:17:28

were livid over the

1:17:29

idea that Vince McMahon was

1:17:31

gonna be doing list

1:17:34

to their favorite. They ain't mad at Vince anymore because he's gone.

1:17:36

And now they kinda remember, well, yeah. But he

1:17:38

did kinda bring us all that great

1:17:41

stuff. And at the

1:17:42

same time, they're not mad at triple h because he hadn't fucked anybody around. He's trying to bring most

1:17:44

of them back

1:17:47

that got fucked around.

1:17:49

and and having considerable success, William Regal, by the way, hold on

1:17:52

one second.

1:17:54

hold on one second

1:17:57

another

1:17:57

in Brian Last category. William

1:17:59

Regal will be starting soon. So

1:18:03

that's what's

1:18:04

happening and the heat

1:18:06

is off the entity that created the backlash that caused a

1:18:08

core group

1:18:10

of people

1:18:11

to wanna see

1:18:13

another promotion of any kind to happen, and the

1:18:15

promotion of any kind that happened as

1:18:17

a result of

1:18:20

that backlash

1:18:20

there's a result of that backlash

1:18:23

is fallen apart because

1:18:24

people didn't objectively

1:18:26

look and say, oh,

1:18:28

this guy has never

1:18:30

done any of this before. so

1:18:33

why should we

1:18:34

think he can't? And there you go. So, yeah, there

1:18:37

you go so yeah Vince

1:18:40

leaving is the worst thing to

1:18:42

happen to EW this year. That's because

1:18:46

because Honestly, I mean,

1:18:48

the cracks were gonna be exposed in

1:18:50

the ill will and bad feeling

1:18:52

amongst people behind the scenes

1:18:54

and blah blah blah and as

1:18:57

you know, when the as

1:18:59

you mentioned, when the first EVP would believe it would be it was,

1:19:03

but at

1:19:05

least they still had it's like

1:19:07

the fucking Republicans. there's like the fuck

1:19:10

it and republicans You know they still will.

1:19:11

may be running ahead of broccoli,

1:19:13

but it could be worse. You could it

1:19:15

could be a

1:19:18

Democrat in that seat. So AEW always said, well, they

1:19:20

could go and work for Vince McMahon

1:19:22

and get turned into Max Dupree or

1:19:26

whatever the

1:19:27

fuck. But now, some of

1:19:29

the wrestlers that

1:19:30

same group of fans likes

1:19:33

is is

1:19:34

going to be

1:19:36

featured

1:19:36

again by the benevolent

1:19:39

son-in-law and the

1:19:40

Empire ain't so evil

1:19:42

anymore. and a lot of the

1:19:44

wrestlers that

1:19:45

didn't want to

1:19:48

trust their

1:19:49

careers to Vince

1:19:51

McMahon and whatever state of

1:19:53

mind he had gotten in at this point

1:19:55

his life, they sure don't

1:19:56

mind letting triple h

1:19:57

give him a shot, especially

1:19:59

if

1:19:59

he's already press

1:20:02

that he likes them to begin with, but they feel

1:20:04

more confident or

1:20:05

safer if they have

1:20:07

any confidence

1:20:08

in their own abilities. They would

1:20:10

be be more confident that Triple h would

1:20:12

see

1:20:12

that.

1:20:13

So, yeah, Vince Vince leaving

1:20:15

did not do Tony Khan

1:20:17

any favors this year

1:20:20

when he's all of

1:20:22

his other shit going on. Looking back now, knowing where we are and everything that's happened,

1:20:25

back now knowing where we are and everything

1:20:27

that's happened How big

1:20:29

of a mistake was it about a year ago when Tony

1:20:31

Kahn didn't pick up Cody Rhodes's option? Oh,

1:20:36

well, but you can't say

1:20:38

that was a mistake

1:20:39

because if Cody had

1:20:42

wanted that option picked up,

1:20:44

that would have got

1:20:45

picked up. One way or not her, it would don't

1:20:48

necessarily

1:20:52

assume that. I Here's

1:20:53

the thing. If Cody

1:20:56

wanted to

1:20:59

stay, He was assured, Tony, how

1:21:00

can I help you pick up my option?

1:21:02

Can I bend over and get it

1:21:06

from this side?

1:21:07

It's only if Cody wanted to

1:21:08

leave to begin with that he made it

1:21:10

hard enough that Tony decided not

1:21:12

to pick up that

1:21:14

option. Well, yeah. Go ahead.

1:21:16

Either

1:21:17

either either

1:21:18

that or someone else

1:21:20

was telling Tony. Oh, god. Don't

1:21:22

bend over to pick up that up.

1:21:24

that option's way too heavy for you. Or Cody and

1:21:26

Brandy had become in Tony's eyes at that point too big of

1:21:28

a pain in the ass. And again, we didn't know

1:21:31

how things were gonna play out.

1:21:34

But again, taking all that out of the equation, whatever

1:21:36

Cody wanted or didn't want, Tony had

1:21:38

the option. So going back to

1:21:41

that question, How big of a mistake

1:21:43

is it now, if you think

1:21:44

it is, and he didn't pick up that option.

1:21:46

because he get a horse to hand,

1:21:48

because you get to wash their hands

1:21:50

Yeah. But then, it

1:21:53

wasn't work in any

1:21:55

way because remember Cody

1:21:58

was about as popular as Crot

1:21:59

rot, they're at the end

1:22:01

with that audience. And I,

1:22:03

you know, I know they were

1:22:06

gonna play

1:22:06

with it in some respect. Had he have stayed?

1:22:08

They'd had done something. But he

1:22:10

if he

1:22:11

hadn't got hurt, he

1:22:13

walked right into the perfect spot

1:22:15

in the WWE when they most needed him

1:22:17

and he was over performing in

1:22:20

that. Then he

1:22:23

got hurt, so whether it was a mistake

1:22:25

or not. By the time Cody gets back in the ring up there, he would

1:22:27

have been free contractually anyway.

1:22:30

And hopefully, he'll step right

1:22:32

into same spot because

1:22:34

my god, why wouldn't he? Because they're so drastically short of talent,

1:22:36

that it wouldn't matter. The

1:22:38

same thing is

1:22:39

gonna happen anyway.

1:22:42

So they do

1:22:42

it was probably at

1:22:44

least Tony

1:22:44

got Cody out of there because there's

1:22:47

another couple of people that didn't wanna

1:22:49

interact with some other people, and at

1:22:51

least he got that situation out

1:22:52

of his locker room. We'll

1:22:54

see what happens with AEW going

1:22:55

forward, but Jim, let's get

1:22:57

some more questions here on

1:23:00

the show. And several people have been asking

1:23:02

about your thoughts about few different programs. One from AEW and one

1:23:03

from WWE. I'll start with

1:23:07

AEW AWRampage Friday night,

1:23:08

this past week drew their lowest

1:23:10

ratings

1:23:11

in show history. I believe

1:23:13

was three hundred and sixty

1:23:15

one thousand viewers. on

1:23:18

TNT. What I mean, we've been kinda talking about this for a while, but the fact that the

1:23:20

mean we've been audience

1:23:21

is now

1:23:24

still declining, They're

1:23:26

doing

1:23:26

nothing to make anyone want to see that show. Does that show existing their help or hurt AEW?

1:23:28

I

1:23:29

think it's embarrassing

1:23:32

at this point,

1:23:34

and I think it hurts them with the

1:23:37

network. Because here's

1:23:38

a show that wasn't

1:23:40

even

1:23:40

part of the deal originally

1:23:43

and they got it because they had to

1:23:45

switch the network because the hockey

1:23:47

blah blah blah chase cat to date the

1:23:49

rat. You know that story? But the point

1:23:51

is that, okay, here's here's

1:23:54

the show. Right? And

1:23:57

and

1:23:57

also, the the

1:23:59

battle of

1:23:59

the

1:23:59

belts for fuck's sake. They

1:24:02

gave them extra

1:24:03

programming and they

1:24:06

put stuff in

1:24:07

those time slots that

1:24:09

has literally lost between fifty

1:24:11

and seventy five

1:24:12

percent of the audience

1:24:14

the last time they did a battle of the think it

1:24:16

was was it roughly or maybe more half

1:24:18

of the audience of the first one. And

1:24:22

the end Rampage, as we

1:24:23

know, started with the return of c

1:24:26

m punk at one

1:24:27

point two million. They

1:24:29

just did three hundred thousand. seventy five percent

1:24:31

of the audience they started with. And

1:24:33

of course, it was an artificially

1:24:36

inflated start. But

1:24:39

my god, how can you

1:24:41

explain when it became a regular

1:24:43

show? It was still

1:24:46

doing five or six hundred and then it

1:24:48

became five

1:24:48

and four and

1:24:50

now three.

1:24:51

Nobody gives a

1:24:53

shit. because

1:24:53

it's Drake. The shows are rotten, and they're it

1:24:56

doesn't have

1:24:57

to

1:24:59

be that way.

1:25:01

There are people in on that roster. When when we

1:25:03

did the roster, we hold on

1:25:05

here. Where is my

1:25:08

god damn? we

1:25:11

came up with there's let's

1:25:13

see.

1:25:13

Is there twenty six lines on

1:25:15

a piece of notebook paper

1:25:17

We came

1:25:18

up with thirty names would often

1:25:23

do you see

1:25:25

FTR, work on dynamite.

1:25:26

Never, it's a joke. We know

1:25:28

why

1:25:30

because of the

1:25:32

Buckeroo's. by the

1:25:34

way, I wanna answer a question you asked the other day,

1:25:36

we were talking about the fact that you never see FDR

1:25:38

in dynamite. You only see Dax Russell Solo matches,

1:25:40

which he loses. And you said, is he ever one

1:25:42

one? He did. He won one singles

1:25:43

match on dynamite against cash

1:25:45

wheeler. That's right.

1:25:48

The only person he could

1:25:50

beat was his partner. We don't

1:25:53

see jay lethal wrestle