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for you. Bye. Thank you, fuck

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you. Thank you, fuck you.

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Hello, again, friends. And

1:40

you are our friends, and

1:42

welcome back to another edition of Jim

1:44

Corn, that's nasal cavity right here.

1:47

Where were you find us on this fine

1:49

day? I'm your host, the great Brian

1:51

last week, are packed with topics,

1:54

questions, not really anything

1:56

to review, but a lot going on in the world of wrestling.

1:59

And a

1:59

lot that everyone's

1:59

waiting to hear.

2:01

This man opine on,

2:03

the leader of the cult of Cornette, mister Jim

2:05

coronet. pine.

2:07

I'm now an o pine. I

2:11

feel like I've been thrown from a moving

2:13

train, and it didn't

2:15

help that you

2:16

started that introduction with that

2:18

pixie

2:18

ish giggle in your voice, the

2:21

tone of you, the frequency

2:23

of you,

2:24

caused me to

2:26

momentarily go far.

2:29

We get no laughing here on this program

2:31

today. It's a serious situation here.

2:34

God damn it.

2:36

Already off the air, you've

2:38

tried to sing like Bob Dillon and I've talked

2:40

about my nasal cavity.

2:42

So what more you tried to sing like

2:44

Bob Dillon first for the record?

2:47

Well, I sounded more like Bob Dillon used

2:49

to than you did like he does now. That's

2:51

what I said I was doing. I was doing Bob Dillard

2:53

now. So for the rest, I sounded more like he

2:56

used to than you did. See you sounded

2:58

like he does now. Neither

3:00

one of us were very dillion esque.

3:02

Well, again, that's your opinion. You are

3:04

opining and I'm opining Pining here

3:07

today, and we're gonna review something. We're gonna talk about

3:09

Briscoe's and FDR for Kevin's

3:12

sake. By God, North Carolina. So

3:15

we're gonna review something for once

3:17

people might wanna hear about since I'm

3:20

sure it probably got the lowest viewership

3:22

of all of

3:24

the AEW affiliated programming

3:27

last week since it was a Ring of Honor pay per

3:29

view from at three o'clock

3:31

on a Saturday afternoon and the match was

3:33

advertised forty eight hours ahead of

3:35

time, but why be picky?

3:38

Lots of good things going on. By the way, I wanna

3:40

thank everyone the good feedback

3:42

and also our friends over it

3:45

inside the rope's magazine across

3:47

the pond over there in

3:48

Great Britain,

3:50

the UK and

3:51

those in Virons, I was the

3:53

cover girl

3:55

for this for this month's

3:57

issue, and apparently, it was the

3:59

largest

3:59

preorder they've ever had.

4:02

And I haven't heard about the new stand sales,

4:04

but we've got a lot feedback about it from

4:06

people on Twitter. I got my copy.

4:08

You can hear the accent

4:11

even when they write it on Twitter. I got my

4:13

copy. And

4:15

I I'm

4:16

I'm looking jaunty and fit

4:19

on that cover also.

4:21

The

4:21

fine photography of Hotchkiss feather

4:23

bottom by the way, but I wanna thank Kenny McEntosh

4:25

and Dante Richardson and Fin

4:28

Martin for I don't

4:29

know if he conducted the interview or more

4:32

or less ducked

4:32

out of the way of it, but we got

4:34

a lot of good feedback on that. A Fin

4:37

Martin production. A Fin Martin

4:39

production. He had no idea what I was

4:41

talking about when I hit him with that twenty years ago

4:43

for the first time. Did

4:44

you hear Dick Van

4:46

Dyke? Ninety seven years old the

4:48

other day. Alright.

4:50

There you go. Dick

4:52

van Dijk is gonna make it to a

4:55

hundred.

4:55

He's still dancing and stuff. Like, he is a

4:58

group that he sings with?

5:00

He's insane. He's just he's he's

5:02

not human. But

5:04

that just goes to show what fucking

5:06

married Tyler Moore for all those years will do for

5:08

you.

5:09

Adi, they couldn't sleep in the same bed.

5:11

Do you think British people should be offended by his accent

5:13

in Mary Poppins?

5:16

Not anymore than English than American

5:18

people are.

5:20

I think

5:20

even even the American people should be offended by

5:22

his British accent in America.

5:26

I don't know what, but it's still

5:28

it's a classic. It is. I agree.

5:30

It's a classic. And then

5:32

captain Liu That's

5:34

another Dick Van Dyke was one of his

5:36

favorite subjects for his one of his remember

5:38

I've told you he would tell

5:40

the same joke every time

5:42

you sign. And you had to

5:44

laugh because it's captain Lou. Right?

5:46

And the one about is, you know, is that shirt

5:48

waterproof because that ties a real pisser,

5:50

you know, the forty seven tie. Lulu, you

5:52

know, the great, but that his also another

5:55

one of his favorite lines was, you know,

5:58

Dick Van Dyke had to change his name to

5:59

make any money. When he

6:01

started out, he got nowhere under his real

6:03

name, penis, van lesbian.

6:08

And then you had yeah. I'm not captain Lou,

6:10

so I guess you don't feel the need to laugh.

6:12

Kena

6:12

is my last man. You had to be sad.

6:14

Just Yes, sir. I got it. That's just

6:16

happening as they said, you know, He didn't make

6:18

any money under his real name. He had to change his name.

6:20

His real name was penis, man, lesbian.

6:23

And then

6:24

he returned to whoever was actually there.

6:31

As I said, I feel like I've been thrown

6:33

from a moving train

6:36

because yesterday was the last

6:38

decent weather day I think we might

6:40

have for the next week or so. It's turning

6:42

cold. It's raining. Poor and rain.

6:44

It's gonna snow flurry this weekend.

6:47

But I got outside and I

6:49

did the the final once

6:52

around the house for the wintertime

6:55

that, you know, my leaf guy, leaf Garrett,

6:57

they took care of the leaves, And

6:59

I've had them in rows out here. They've got

7:01

the the creek running properly.

7:04

Everything's taken care of except

7:06

There is a giant red oak

7:09

tree on

7:10

my in my neighbor's yard, but it's closer

7:12

to his property line to me than it is to

7:14

his house. It's right outside my garage

7:16

entrance and that thing dumps leaves until

7:19

Christmas day. It's

7:21

a it's a hundred and twenty feet tall

7:23

and I love the tree, but goddamn. Every

7:25

time I get my leaves cleaned up, here

7:27

comes some more. And he

7:29

gets to the point where it's it's January. I'm

7:31

trying to be out there raking leaves or whatever.

7:34

But I got some of that straightened up.

7:37

Got all the the yard tools put

7:39

away for the winter. We will bear

7:41

it around the house. Considered

7:43

it a wonderful day, and

7:46

today I can't move without feeling

7:49

like I was just in the double dog collar match

7:51

with FTR and Nebraska. So these are

7:53

the prices you pay when you get to my advanced

7:55

age.

7:57

But

7:58

it's your show.

7:59

Right? That's right.

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I should mention before

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8:31

wait a minute. Let me see where we're at

8:33

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8:55

for making this a wonderful Christmas

8:57

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8:59

that you have Jim Kornet

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wanna shop after Christmas, we're gonna be

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9:10

then we are closing the store

9:12

from January first through the

9:14

eighth so that we can

9:17

restock, recount, re

9:19

inventory, and get

9:21

a grip on ourselves. Achkiss

9:24

is gonna grip himself. I'm gonna grip

9:26

myself. There's none of this cross gripping going

9:28

on.

9:30

So I just wanted to get that out there.

9:32

Alright. Well, can we get your grip

9:34

off the joke. We have a good joke. We have some

9:36

fun here. Oh, so

9:38

it'll be it'll be a great show as soon

9:40

as I quit talking. Is that what you're trying to

9:42

say now? Well, as soon as you let as soon as

9:44

you let go, we're the grip of the show. I think

9:46

we'll pick up.

9:48

I'll have you. I'll grip you in some

9:50

places. Well, there's a lot of stories here to

9:52

try to get the grip on. I

9:54

don't even know

9:54

where to start. Let's start, I guess, with what

9:57

should be the biggest. If it isn't the biggest, it

9:59

probably

9:59

is. Although

10:01

i'll go for

10:02

reason, it might not be. Although

10:04

people are jumping on one thing more than the other

10:06

man. Was doing common hear

10:08

you on smoking out of wrestling one time. And he said

10:11

something to the effect that will so and

10:12

so is taller than so

10:15

and so, but so and so is heavier than

10:17

so and so. Of course, that makes sense because if

10:19

they weren't, they'd both be the same size.

10:21

And we just put a little

10:23

graphic down at the bottom of the screen, so what in the

10:25

world is Dutch talking about? Well,

10:27

the article

10:28

in The Wall Street Journal.

10:30

WWE's Vince McMahon faces fresh

10:32

demands from women alleging sexual

10:35

abuse, Options come

10:37

as wrestling company board assesses

10:39

damage comes by the former

10:41

CEO's secret hush packs.

10:43

By Joe Palazzo and

10:45

Ted Mann.

10:47

and And there's

10:47

a few interesting things here to talk about.

10:50

There's more, by the way, just the fact

10:52

that there's more This is

10:54

a but one of them is the same, but one of them

10:56

is a different woman. It wasn't

10:58

involved in the other. Where was our tote

11:01

board,

11:01

twenty one, twenty two million dollars,

11:04

and this was one of these

11:06

wasn't even involved in

11:07

that. What the

11:09

this would make a nice muscular

11:11

dystrophy, lexicon total at

11:13

this point.

11:15

Go ahead with the Wall Street view. Let's talk

11:17

about this article. There's a separate thing in the

11:19

article that a lot of people have jumped on and

11:21

made the story as opposed to the idea that

11:23

there are now two women, once again,

11:25

going after Vince McMahon, I shouldn't

11:27

even say that. Rita Chatterton, Apparently,

11:30

he was going after them instead of the other way

11:32

around. Reena Chatterton is gonna go after them.

11:34

They're going for a lawsuit right now because New York

11:36

states opened that up so that she actually

11:38

can. This other woman we're just finding

11:40

out about for the first time, Arita Chatterton, as

11:42

you said, we've known about since at

11:44

least ninety

11:44

two, We've

11:46

known this was her story, but here's The

11:48

Wall Street Journal. Vince McMahon,

11:50

the majority owner and former chief

11:52

executive of World Wrestling Entertainment, is

11:54

facing legal demands from two women

11:57

who alleged that he sexually assaulted

11:59

them

11:59

according to internal documents and people

12:02

familiar with the legal negotiations.

12:05

But stop

12:05

there. Remember, we still haven't

12:07

discovered who leaked everything the last

12:09

time. So someone

12:11

leaked all this again this time.

12:14

Instead of I wonder

12:16

deep

12:16

throat was the watergate studgy.

12:19

I wonder if this is gonna be leaky

12:21

lip. Whoever who

12:25

knows about all this shit?

12:27

Who has known that could leak

12:29

all this stuff? That would

12:31

be interesting to find out how big

12:33

that circle of trust

12:35

is. Well, again,

12:36

it said according to internal documents so

12:38

that someone with access to internal I'm assuming

12:41

internal means internal WWE

12:43

documents. So it could be someone from the blantz

12:45

again. In a

12:46

November third demand letter

12:48

to mister

12:48

McMahon's representative,

12:50

A lawyer for former wrestling referee

12:53

Rita Chatterton asked for

12:55

eleven point seven five

12:57

million in damages. After

12:59

she publicly accused mister McMahon

13:01

three decades ago of raping

13:03

her in a limousine. Mister

13:06

McMahon has long denied the accusations.

13:08

The

13:08

demand letter was reviewed

13:10

by The Wall Street Journal.

13:12

In a separate November

13:15

email to mister McMahon's attorney,

13:17

A lawyer for a former spa manager

13:20

said that mister McMahon assaulted his

13:22

client in two thousand

13:24

eleven at a California resort.

13:27

An incident previously unreported

13:29

in the media. Now remember,

13:31

this is not the there was

13:33

the report of the tanning salon

13:36

person in was in Florida. That was

13:38

Florida. Yeah. Yeah.

13:39

Is a spa resort

13:41

or resort spa

13:43

employee in California.

13:46

He was

13:47

out of fucking rain

13:50

of terror with the fucking

13:52

I wonder when he went to

13:54

fucking Target. Did he ask the cashier

13:56

for, you know, shit? He

13:58

certainly seemed to try this

14:00

in spa like settings or what? The other one was a

14:02

tanning salon. Right? Yeah. But it

14:04

was it was the same did this

14:06

one also say something about

14:08

Candid

14:10

photography of himself on

14:12

his phone? Well, let's

14:13

continue on here. The private

14:16

communications between lawyers for the

14:18

women and mister McMahon's longtime

14:20

attorney Jerry McDavid, come

14:22

as WWE tries to move

14:24

past mister McMahon's forty year

14:26

tenure, as the company's leader

14:28

head

14:28

into a new era.

14:30

Mister

14:30

McMahon retired as WWE chief

14:32

executive and chairman in July

14:34

amid a board investigation of sexual misconduct

14:37

claims against him, and

14:39

after the journal reported that he

14:41

agreed to pay more than twelve million

14:43

and secret settlements since two thousand

14:45

six to suppress

14:47

such allegations. And and

14:49

by the by the way, it's a

14:51

a journalistic, a piece of journalistic

14:54

integrity that the Wall Street Journal always

14:56

refers to people as mister or

14:58

miss or whatever miss is,

15:00

But in his case, there it sounds like they're referring

15:02

to him as his gimmick. Fuck

15:04

you, mister McMan. And this

15:07

may

15:07

be weird semantics, but

15:09

Did he retire or did he

15:11

resign? I was under the impression he

15:13

resigned and there is a difference.

15:15

Well,

15:17

Stephanie said he retired, and

15:20

he said he retired on

15:22

Twitter But

15:25

wasn't it reported? And I don't

15:27

know the specific

15:29

ins and outs of proper way to do

15:31

this when you're the chairman of the board

15:33

or whatever. But

15:35

he had he had to resign

15:38

his position whether it

15:40

was not

15:43

mandatory or not voluntary or not.

15:45

He still had to resign to be out of

15:47

that position to retire whatever.

15:49

Is this help

15:51

me?

15:51

Help me. Jump

15:53

back. What a kiss myself?

15:54

I think

15:55

you could help yourself right there,

15:57

but to go back to what this just said, the private

15:59

communications between lawyers for the women and mister

16:01

McMahon's longtime attorney, Jeremy McDavid,

16:03

So

16:05

it was one of those parties that

16:07

sent us to the Wall Street Journal or

16:09

if the Board of Directors is

16:12

informed of that because of Vince's role.

16:14

One of them could have done it again because it

16:16

it kinda seemed like the first round

16:18

was sent to

16:20

get Vince out of the way. And

16:22

we leaked to the Wall Street Journal by someone who

16:24

said, you know what? Enough? We need to do

16:27

something else. So it's

16:29

important to say that because

16:30

this is getting

16:32

leaked again. The

16:35

Board asked Go ahead.

16:37

The board investigation found that the payments to

16:39

the women, though made by mister

16:41

McMahon personally, should have

16:43

been booked as WWE expenses

16:46

because they benefited the company. A

16:48

related board probe seeks to assess

16:50

damage caused by mister McMahon's secret

16:52

acts, and to determine whether

16:54

legal action against him by the WWE board

16:57

is warranted. Said people

16:59

familiar with the matter, that would be interesting.

17:01

Can you imagine? Oh,

17:04

I can see Vince's

17:06

head exploding if somebody

17:08

on the WWE or

17:10

anybody in employed by the WWE

17:12

or involved in the WWE, tried

17:14

to sue him.

17:16

Good God. would be

17:18

a Frank's signature level fucking

17:20

blow up. You may be

17:21

wondering what everyone's saying about

17:24

this, spokesman for WWE and the

17:26

company's independent board members declined

17:28

the comment? Mister McMahon?

17:30

Declined the comment? Mister McDavid

17:32

didn't respond to requests for a

17:35

comment. WWE has declined to discuss the

17:37

allegations against mister McMahon. The

17:39

company previously said

17:41

it was cooperating with the board inquiry

17:44

and taking the seriously. Stephanie

17:46

McMahon, mister McMahon's daughter, and

17:48

former WWE president Nick

17:51

Kahn, succeeded mister McMahon's

17:53

co chief executives, but mister

17:56

McMahon remains the company's

17:58

largest shareholder. So

18:00

once again, let's point that out. So we've

18:02

said it before. He's not

18:05

there. He's not actively involved. He's

18:07

the company's largest shareholder.

18:10

Yeah. And and not even close.

18:12

It's

18:12

like, you know, eighty percent or

18:15

whatever. Right, with everybody else

18:17

splitting up the rest. So it's not

18:19

even that close

18:22

in terms of who's they

18:23

couldn't even pull Georgia deal, like, well, when

18:25

you get, you know, the

18:27

Briscoe's points, and you

18:29

get Ted Oates, and you get

18:32

you know, this guy, then we can get it

18:34

away from Barnett or Oly

18:36

or whatever. It's not even like that.

18:39

He's outranks everybody if

18:41

they teamed up against him. So

18:44

but that's

18:45

the thing is is

18:47

this being leaked again

18:49

because of

18:49

the other conversation that

18:52

everybody's talking about that we've that Vince has now said,

18:54

oh, you know what?

18:56

Bad advice. I should let the whole thing blow

18:59

over. It would have been fine.

19:01

And maybe I just need to

19:04

come back. And we'll talk

19:04

about that end of it because that is, again,

19:07

the thing that everyone's jumped on. But let's continue with

19:09

the main thing, which is about the investigations and the women. We'll

19:11

come back to that Mister

19:13

McMahon has told people he refuses

19:15

to pay settlements to miss Chatterton and

19:17

the former spa manager. People

19:20

familiar with the comments said,

19:23

WWE auditor, Deloitte

19:25

and Touche, LLC.

19:28

Wait what? Or Deloitte and

19:30

Touche, LLC. I

19:33

don't I don't ever heard anyone having that as an

19:35

actual name. How is it

19:37

spelled? T0UCHE

19:40

too shady. Too shady. But there's no

19:43

indication mark over the e or anything.

19:45

But anyway There's no drama

19:47

over the e. Has advised

19:55

the company that resolutions of the

19:57

claims even if confidential

19:59

would possibly have

20:00

to be disclosed by the company publicly,

20:03

said a person familiar with

20:05

the matter, Deloitte didn't

20:07

respond to comment as everyone else didn't

20:09

do. But what

20:09

did Tuxey say? Tuxey

20:12

has nothing to say. It's like Selino

20:14

and Barnes. Know what happened with them.

20:16

Right? Do you know that I wrote

20:18

a George Barnes build on diesel partner? Do

20:20

you know Selena and Barnes? I mean, they were a

20:22

big law firm up here, but with a

20:24

nationwide, like, you know who they were? No.

20:26

I've never heard of them. Thankfully, I've never had

20:28

to retain their services. For

20:30

years, like their commercials are

20:32

everywhere. And they had a jingle that everyone knew and they were there smiling and

20:34

they had this big law firm and they

20:36

kept like getting custom phone numbers and

20:38

they got bigger and bigger

20:40

and then the partner started fighting and they hated each

20:43

other and they broke apart and

20:45

one of them still on TV doing the same kind of

20:47

commercials. The other one, his plane

20:49

crashed and

20:50

he died. Well, that's a

20:52

fucking bummer of a fucking finish to

20:54

the story. Let's go back to the story here.

20:57

Miss

20:59

Chatterton, now sixty

21:01

five years old, was the first female

21:03

referee in what was then called the World

21:06

Wrestling Federation. She alleged

21:08

in two televised interviews

21:10

that mister McMahon raped her in the back of

21:12

the limousine in New York in

21:14

nineteen eighty six. She said in the

21:17

nineteen ninety two interviews that

21:19

mister McMahon told her she

21:21

had to satisfy him if

21:23

she wanted a five hundred thousand dollar

21:25

contract with WWF.

21:26

the wwf

21:28

WWF stopped

21:28

booking her for appearances

21:31

After the alleged rape in nineteen eighty six, she said,

21:33

the World Wrestling Federation changed

21:35

its name to WWE in two

21:38

thousand two. Miss Chapman's

21:40

lawyer, John Cloon, wrote in a legal

21:42

demand letter that the damages to miss Chapman

21:44

from the alleged rape were hard

21:46

to overstate The letter said she had

21:48

suffered years of ongoing depression,

21:50

substance abuse, disordered

21:52

eating, lost income, and

21:55

an overall decreased quality of life. Wait

21:57

a minute. What did you say? Disordered

21:59

eating? That's what it

22:00

says here. Disordered eating. Alright?

22:04

I just had to

22:04

put that to stick in there. I'd

22:06

be okay. Go ahead. Miss

22:08

Shatterton

22:08

referred the journal to mister Cloon, who's her

22:11

attorney, who declined the comment,

22:13

New York State recently

22:14

opened a one year window

22:16

that allows victims to file sex

22:18

abuse lawsuits based on

22:20

decades old claims

22:22

The look back window is part of the

22:25

Adults SURVIVORS Act, a

22:26

law signed by the New York Governor earlier

22:29

this year Mister

22:30

McMahon alleged in a nineteen ninety

22:32

three lawsuit that miss Chatterton

22:34

was induced to make a false rate

22:37

charge against him By a former wrestler

22:39

with an axe to grind, doesn't say it

22:41

here, but I believe David Schultz was the wrestler of

22:43

Vincent Hughes to that. The

22:45

lawsuits said her attorney at the time demanded five million

22:48

from mister McMahon to keep miss Chatterton's

22:50

allegations off the air

22:53

WWF dismissed her because she was

22:55

a danger to herself and others in

22:57

the ring. According to

22:59

the lawsuit, which mister McMahon withdrew

23:01

in nineteen ninety four. Wait a minute. She

23:03

didn't look like a shooter to me. You mean she

23:05

was just going off and stretching

23:07

people and shit. Is there any

23:09

to argue that in any way,

23:11

is there any kind of way you could see

23:13

that making sense that the referee was a danger

23:15

to others in the room?

23:18

I'm

23:21

trying to grasp for one.

23:24

I mean, You know, if

23:25

if they were asking her

23:28

to cooperate in convoluted

23:30

spots possibly that she

23:32

was over her head and I don't

23:34

think that that since that didn't really happen

23:36

back in those days with any referees in the

23:39

WWF, I don't think that would be the case.

23:41

So I'm possibly just because

23:43

of her perceived

23:46

lack of ability at

23:48

her job or whatever reason they were trying

23:50

to come up with to say that they

23:53

didn't book her anymore. It

23:55

goes on

23:55

a little bit more. And again, this is a long article and

23:57

everyone should check it out, The Wall Street Journal.

23:59

the But they say

24:00

that she passed the polygraph

24:03

test, that she has multiple sources who

24:05

corroborate her account. Here's where I mentioned there was

24:07

a run-in. Well, see, And remember when we talked

24:09

about the the last time that everybody was talking

24:11

about all the horrible things Vince

24:13

has done,

24:14

I

24:15

don't doubt that it probably happened.

24:17

The only thing that I've found

24:21

is strange or putting

24:23

about it was that anybody even sub

24:25

beginner at that point in the

24:27

wrestling business would have believed that

24:30

Anybody,

24:30

much less a referee was gonna get a five hundred

24:32

thousand dollar a year contract, but I guess some

24:34

people do smoke the opium. But otherwise, I

24:36

can believe that the incident

24:38

took

24:39

place in nineteen eighty

24:41

six, realistically, in WWF, and I

24:43

know you weren't there, but you have an

24:45

idea of things. Whoever the

24:48

highest paid referee was.

24:50

How much do you think they made? Nineteen

24:52

eighty six.

24:53

Oh, When

24:55

was the twin rip? That was eighty seven. That was eighty

24:57

eight. Or eighty eight. The

24:58

twin riparita, I'm sure both the

25:01

Hepner's got a a

25:02

decent little bonus for

25:05

that. But,

25:06

I mean,

25:07

is is who was the top rapper?

25:09

Was it Joey Morella? Was

25:11

it forty grand a year? Oh, yeah. No. Here's

25:14

the thing. Some

25:15

of the guys and actually Joy Morello

25:17

was one of died in the accident,

25:19

he was driving one of the ring trucks.

25:22

Right? Or because a lot of the

25:24

referees I thought it was

25:26

him

25:26

and Bruno. Well,

25:27

no. You know what? He was in a car that but

25:30

where I was going with this was a lot of the

25:32

referees at that point in time also

25:34

were ring crew guys who would be

25:36

driving the Ring Truck or helping set

25:38

up, and that's

25:40

that augmented their pay. I can't

25:42

say in the middle of the eighties with business that hot that

25:44

the best referee

25:46

in the company wasn't making a hundred grand,

25:48

although maybe whoever the top referee was will

25:51

called

25:52

me up and say bullshit. They gave me

25:54

seventy five or eighty or whatever the fuck.

25:56

But somewhere around there, but

25:58

not anywhere

25:59

near you know, five

26:01

hundred thousand dollars or and and no

26:04

guarantees.

26:06

You had

26:06

a salary as if you remember the

26:08

ring crew, but the referees got paid

26:10

On the house shows like everybody

26:13

else, just not as

26:15

much. But this probably never

26:16

in history been a referee that made five hundred

26:19

thousand dollars a year. Right? No. We're not in

26:21

let's do it with a special

26:23

referee, Brett Hart, in WCW

26:26

And

26:27

then Maybe he got five hundred Greg at the amount of money they

26:29

were paying even he got hurt right after. Maybe if

26:31

you amortized it, but no. Not

26:33

any

26:34

no. No. This

26:37

is where we get a really interesting run-in here

26:39

with probably the worst defense

26:41

you could use. John Wasnisky,

26:44

who wrestled as Greg

26:47

Valentine, told the journal

26:49

that miss Chatterton disclosed

26:51

the allegations While the two were sharing a

26:53

marijuana cigarette and a

26:55

Marriott hotel parking lot,

26:57

in Albany, New York, in

26:59

the nineteen eighties. It's always

27:01

good when somebody corroborates a

27:03

story by saying, yes, I remember we

27:05

talked about it while we were sharing

27:07

mind altering drugs. Mister Wysnisky

27:11

said he didn't believe miss

27:13

Chatterton then or now

27:15

because he didn't think she was attractive

27:17

enough for mister Mc man.

27:20

Oh, boy. Jesus. Wow.

27:25

I'm been nice

27:27

knowing you.

27:33

Oh, boy. I

27:35

mean, I know he's still doing some fan fast,

27:38

but I don't know what

27:40

else he might get canceled over

27:42

that, but Hey,

27:45

if you're in fucking I

27:47

believe it was in Poughkeepsie. I've been

27:49

in Poughkeepsie. I've been to a couple of

27:51

the fucking diners in Poughkeepsie. See.

27:53

And and after the

27:56

shows in Poughkeepsie, anybody

27:58

that Vince

27:58

could get back into limousine will I'm

28:01

sure that point after a number of

28:04

beverages was attractive enough for

28:06

him.

28:09

Oh, god. Like,

28:11

if if, you know, Vince only picks

28:13

the the real, you

28:15

know, cream of the crop there.

28:17

Well,

28:17

again, I'm surprised out of nowhere, Greg

28:20

Valentine appears for the paragraph.

28:22

And then he disappears. Never

28:24

to be seen or heard of in the

28:26

story again. And again, it goes

28:27

a little further into

28:30

Mario Manscini, who is his real name

28:32

Leonard, in Zitari, I

28:34

believe, corroborates

28:34

that she told him she was a part of that Tony he

28:36

was a part of that Tony Altomoor School, I

28:38

believe, with a where David Schultz was.

28:41

So a lot of the people in that camp say it happened and

28:43

she talked about it and then others

28:45

like Greg Valentine have very interesting

28:48

defenses.

28:48

The

28:49

former spa manager alleged she was assaulted

28:51

by mister McManin a two thousand in

28:54

two thousand eleven at a five star resort

28:56

in Southern California Well,

28:58

wait a minute. Wait a minute. Was it in Rancho Cucamonga?

29:01

No. It was a star resort. I doubt

29:03

Vince would go someplace like Rancho

29:05

Cucamonga Mongo, but it was a five star resort

29:07

in Southern California. While he

29:09

was in town for a WWE event, it

29:11

had been

29:11

six stars if it was in Tokyo,

29:14

the spa manager reported. They were gonna

29:16

be in the right way over there. The spa

29:19

manager reported the election.

29:21

I shouldn't laugh while reading this,

29:23

and you come with the fucking punch lines, the spa

29:26

manager reported the alleged

29:28

assault at the time to the

29:30

resort. According to

29:31

people familiar with the

29:33

matter, The

29:33

spa manager also told her husband about the incident?

29:36

Some of the people said, oh,

29:38

this this is a

29:38

good part. This is a good part. Get you the

29:41

good part. He

29:42

drove to the WWE event with a baseball

29:45

bat and tried to confront mister

29:47

McMahon, but was turned away

29:49

according to these people. How

29:51

the fuck did this not make some

29:53

fucking news, especially in the close

29:56

proximity to

29:57

Rancho Cucamonga and Campbell

29:59

by

29:59

the sea, that some

30:01

guy shows up looking for events with

30:03

a baseball bat, and I can imagine

30:06

it trying to get into the

30:08

building when you work

30:10

there. And and and you go to

30:12

these buildings every week and the maze

30:15

of

30:16

labyrinthine corridors and it's

30:19

set and following the signs for catering in

30:21

Vince's office. I'm picturing some gap with

30:23

a fucking baseball bat, Walker, wherever,

30:25

place place. Where's Vince McMan? Where's

30:27

Vince McMan? What the fuck?

30:29

That had to be fucking

30:32

classic. The woman's

30:33

lawyer, Michael Bressler,

30:35

has been in touch with mister McMahon's attorney

30:38

since at least July according to people

30:40

familiar with the discussions. California

30:42

like New York has a new law that allows

30:44

alleged victims of sex views to

30:46

file lawsuits that would otherwise be barred by

30:48

the statute of limitations. Starting

30:51

in January, victims will

30:52

have a one year window to file

30:55

such claims. And

30:56

you know what? Here's the thing.

30:58

This is the

31:01

perfect time because Let's

31:03

face it. It's Vince McMahon

31:05

in in what was this two thousand

31:07

eleven that the incident at the Spa

31:10

took place. The alleged incident. Yes.

31:12

The alleged the incident was

31:14

alleged or alleged incident or

31:16

whatever. There there had

31:18

been no Mainstream

31:20

reporting like there has been this

31:22

year of Vince McMahon being a

31:25

horn dog. And throwing

31:26

his millions around like

31:28

candy at a fucking strip club.

31:30

So

31:31

who's gonna believe if

31:34

this bomb you know,

31:35

unknown, anonymous spy

31:38

employee says, oh, Vince McMahon,

31:40

this sixty something year old at

31:42

the time, billionaire

31:43

executive just

31:45

tried to show me his tally

31:47

whacker or whatever the fuck went

31:49

on. Nobody would

31:50

have it would have been, you

31:52

know, bullshit and then she might have got fired

31:54

or from her job at this five

31:57

star resort. But now

32:00

that the pattern has

32:02

been established as they say

32:04

and the MODIS operandi is a

32:07

little more public. They

32:09

probably say, yeah, now they'll believe

32:11

me because he's done it fucking

32:13

fifteen other places. the

32:18

So, again, this got into the

32:20

Wall Street Journal. And, I mean, again, this is not

32:22

like some goddamn you know,

32:24

twenty five or thirty or thirty five or

32:26

forty year old movie star Hollywood

32:29

director celebrity. This is a

32:31

goddamn executive

32:33

of a wrestling company that qualifies. If

32:35

you don't know him personally, you just say,

32:37

Vince McMan sixty fucking seventy is

32:40

a goddamn Elderly billionaire.

32:42

What the fuck? Right?

32:44

How much more

32:46

of this

32:48

shit is gonna I wonder if

32:51

Kentucky ever passes that law. They'll pass

32:53

that law when they get around to passing the law

32:55

against marrying your cousin when she's under

32:57

thirteen, but we started

32:59

the talent. And the thing is you

33:01

have to imagine that if you're someone who's still

33:03

active in the business and most people don't go

33:05

away, this may not be the

33:07

kind of thing you want coming out

33:09

about you. So you have to think there are probably

33:11

people who don't want it out. There's gonna be people who say,

33:13

you know what, if this happened to

33:15

them. You know what, this happened to me? I know

33:17

of a chance I can go after America, at

33:19

least get some attention on this.

33:21

But there's also gonna be people who based

33:23

on the fact it's happened to so many people, there's also

33:25

gonna be people who don't want it out there and

33:27

aren't saying anything. Yes.

33:30

But only if they don't want Eleven

33:32

million dollars or whatever the fuck it is. I

33:34

wonder if they're

33:35

working a spa or a I'd

33:38

be pissed I'd be pissed right now if I found

33:40

out that he did same thing

33:43

me.

33:43

They did somebody else. Somebody else

33:45

got

33:45

ten million dollars that I got a

33:48

fucking hearty handshake.

33:50

That

33:50

I'd be exceptionally

33:52

pissed. Let

33:53

me go, Jim, to another thing

33:56

from this article that everyone's been

33:58

talking about. Once

33:59

again, The Wall Street Journal, The

34:02

Article,

34:02

WWE's Vince McMahon faces fresh demands

34:04

from women alleging sexual

34:07

by Joe Palazzo and Ted Mann, and in

34:09

the

34:09

article, it states,

34:11

the seventy seven year

34:13

old mister McMan has

34:15

also told people that he intends to make a

34:18

comeback at WWE, according

34:20

to

34:20

the people familiar with his comments.

34:23

He has said

34:24

that he received bad advice

34:26

from people close to him

34:29

to step down and that he

34:31

now believes the allegations and investigations would have blown

34:34

over had

34:34

he stayed. These

34:38

people said,

34:39

That's the Vince I know.

34:42

Sadly, that's a fascinating

34:44

paragraph in the middle of a very sad

34:46

overall story. But a lot of

34:48

people have focused on that and that's become the

34:50

lead story. Vince planning

34:52

a comeback and then we can

34:53

go into you talk about leaking

34:55

here. Who leaked that?

34:56

I knew about that to the Wall Street

34:58

Journal A and B, who

35:00

does Vince blame? The people very

35:03

close to him that gave him

35:06

the bad advice.

35:07

Well, one would think the advice

35:10

was coming from inside

35:11

the house. But it it I don't think that was

35:14

the only place that advice was coming

35:16

from. He

35:18

probably

35:18

he probably

35:20

I as some

35:21

people that would give him the same

35:23

advice, he wouldn't blame them as

35:25

much as, like, people

35:27

close to him

35:29

That's who he would blame for the advice because they should

35:31

have known better. But that's the events that

35:34

I knew and

35:36

worked with. D.

35:38

Deny deny deny. Do what

35:40

you wanna do. It's all gonna blow over,

35:42

move forward, whatever the fuck, however

35:45

you wanna describe that. And I think

35:47

it's probably coming from what have

35:49

we said. Vince

35:51

wasn't gonna

35:51

not work Vince

35:53

has been working on something. He's probably been working on

35:56

figuring out how to get back to work.

35:58

But he's been working on something. He

35:59

has been occupying his time

36:02

with something. And or

36:04

whether it's dwelling on what

36:06

happened and say, well, because Jesus

36:09

Christ, shit does blow

36:11

over. At various points, a lot

36:13

of people have been the,

36:16

you

36:16

know, the worst person in the world and

36:18

and canceled, and nobody wants to

36:20

hear from them again. And back doing commercials

36:23

or whatever. They're back on raw suddenly.

36:25

And then they're suddenly they're back

36:27

on whatever the case. But

36:30

in

36:30

the, you know,

36:33

in this case,

36:35

Vince is probably

36:37

he didn't think that as as

36:40

we saw from the first couple of

36:42

appearances he did on television,

36:43

he thought

36:44

it was gonna blow over. He wasn't gonna

36:46

put it over. Then someone

36:48

got to him with how serious

36:51

it was and that this is

36:53

gonna be bad if something doesn't

36:55

happen and he acquiesce to it, and then

36:58

probably whatever point in time that he

37:00

after that, however quickly it was that

37:02

he started getting bored and

37:06

or ruminating about it.

37:08

And now he

37:09

wants something to fucking

37:12

do. And You cannot stop Vince McMahon, like I said, from

37:14

either working or working on a way

37:16

to start working again. And he

37:18

still

37:19

owns everything.

37:20

And he

37:21

still owns everything. But that's,

37:23

you know, that's

37:24

the

37:26

that's the

37:28

the

37:30

feeling

37:30

or the expression that I would expected,

37:32

you know, from him to, you know,

37:34

goddamn it god damn it pal.

37:37

Should I just wait a whole thing with a blown

37:39

over? It's a big it's a

37:40

witch hunt? I can see him I can

37:43

see him doing a Trump thing. But now that we're

37:45

here and we were gonna really look at it

37:47

and evaluate it, there's two different ways we could

37:49

look

37:49

at it.

37:51

One, Is it good

37:53

or bad for the company for Vince to be actively involved

37:55

in anything right now? And two, is it

37:57

good or bad creatively for

37:59

the company? For Vince to be actively

38:02

involved in anything right now. Well, I said the questions to

38:03

or the answers to both those questions

38:06

have come when as

38:08

soon as That

38:10

article was released and

38:12

that statement from Vince

38:14

was in there, the stock price went down a

38:16

couple dollars. And,

38:18

secondly,

38:18

all we've been doing is talking

38:20

about for the past couple months

38:22

months now more

38:23

now or more. Guys want to go

38:25

back and work for triple h. I think

38:27

he's brought back some that

38:29

he probably has

38:32

Hires remorse on bringing back now when he was rid of, but they wanna

38:34

come back and work for him. And some more

38:36

will follow and, you know, regal

38:39

and etcetera, we'll talk about

38:42

that. They didn't want to

38:43

work for Vince because he had gone out

38:45

of his mind, and Max Dupree was

38:47

an example

38:50

of whatever the fire and

38:52

ezekiel, and Elias, and

38:53

Elrod, and Elrod

38:56

Hubbard, his manager.

38:59

So, no, I think

39:02

it's it's bad

39:03

creatively because raw

39:05

is not setting or

39:07

either

39:07

programs not set in the world on fire with

39:09

the ratings

39:12

either, but at

39:14

least it's they're trying to do something to get out of

39:16

that goofy funk that they

39:18

were in the last little while

39:20

with Vince.

39:22

And so, yeah,

39:23

I don't I

39:24

don't

39:26

see a lot of the guys

39:28

wanting the old guys that made

39:29

a ton of money.

39:31

With Vince and

39:32

worked with him when

39:34

he, you

39:35

know, before he

39:37

lost his

39:38

lost his mind apparently

39:40

mind apparently. They love him and they take up

39:42

for him, but I think the guys that were

39:44

there and having

39:46

to book up under all that stuff, I

39:50

think they've So

39:50

no. I think Vince for PR for creative and

39:53

potentially just for

39:55

hiring.

39:57

He

39:57

needs to he needs to be

40:00

separated from that situation,

40:02

but it's his.

40:04

How can you separate him if you don't wanna

40:06

be separated? I said a couple months

40:08

ago maybe it was by

40:10

now that he is the

40:13

kind of guy that that he said as

40:15

triple h said to him, it's yours

40:17

now. You're picking the the flavor of ice

40:19

cream. So I'm not gonna interfere. Well, that's

40:21

best for business and

40:24

that's opinion

40:24

that Vince will have,

40:26

until he

40:27

changes his mind and thinks it will maybe

40:30

goddamn it,

40:31

It might be better if I

40:34

did something else or came back or

40:36

whatever. And then that might be

40:38

tough talking

40:40

about it. If you're triple h right

40:41

now, let alone Stephanie and

40:43

Nick Kong. What do you think it?

40:45

Reading this, knowing it's in print, knowing you're

40:47

trying to change

40:50

the the feel of the company right now and all of a sudden that's

40:52

out there, not only that does more vince stuff, but that

40:54

he's plotting to come back. And by the way,

40:56

you can. Anytime he wants,

41:00

What do you think? I mean, how do you you

41:02

know, we talked about a week ago.

41:04

Was Vince being gone the best thing

41:06

to happen to AEW? And we have seen

41:09

things that

41:10

are helping WWE

41:12

right after this period of time.

41:14

And

41:14

and you've misphrased that

41:17

Hold on before anybody jumps on you. I'll

41:19

edit you. You said we asked if Vince

41:21

you said was if Vince leaving was the best

41:23

thing day or was the worst

41:25

thing for AW. Vince leaving was

41:26

the worst Worst day for AW. Excuse me. Yes.

41:28

Yes. Yes. But that and like

41:30

you said, that opened the floodgates for

41:33

people to wanna go back and

41:35

maybe not put all their

41:37

stock in signing up with AEW just to

41:39

be away from Vince,

41:42

etcetera, etcetera. And yeah, you've gotta think that now they're pop.

41:45

Oh, dad. Oh,

41:47

then. So whatever. Were,

41:50

you know,

41:53

they're they're

41:54

unfortunately

41:56

For the WWE, and

41:57

fortunately for Tony Kahn every time

41:59

Tony Fucks up, something

42:02

will happen on the

42:03

other side where they

42:05

will fuck up and and throw the balance

42:08

off again.

42:09

I've been saying this for

42:11

months and months,

42:12

maybe Over a year now,

42:14

nobody wants to win this promotional

42:16

war. And every

42:18

time that AEW has

42:20

some chaos or scandal or stupid going on,

42:22

you think, oh, this this will

42:24

be the big chance on the other side

42:26

and they come up with stupid,

42:29

or scandal, or chaos going

42:32

on. And

42:32

the audience keeps shrinking for both?

42:34

You have to

42:35

imagine too. And again, I don't think Vince

42:37

should be back. But if you're Vince and on a

42:39

Monday night, you're watching your former show and you

42:41

see Gardena all over that show. I know how

42:43

I feel. Can you imagine what

42:46

Vince feels?

42:47

Remember that's the thing that I said

42:50

probably got NXT in

42:52

trouble to begin with

42:53

and and beget

42:56

NXT two point o was Vince walked

42:58

in there and saw Johnny

43:00

Gargano and write

43:01

wrong, good bad or indifferent

43:03

as mama Cornett would say, whether you like him or

43:06

whether you don't,

43:07

that's not even in debate now. We're talking

43:10

about what Vince McMahon would have thought

43:12

of him. And not much would be the

43:14

answer. And

43:16

so, yeah, a lot of that

43:20

is gonna come into play because I'm thinking at Vince thought,

43:22

well, yeah, triple h and

43:24

stuff. They've got it. They'll take, you know, they'll

43:26

take good care of it. Wait. What

43:28

What the hell is that pow? And let's face it.

43:31

It's not like,

43:31

as we've said, he's gonna try to take it

43:34

private. He's gonna try to buy it

43:36

back. Well, It's it's not

43:37

like that he's been doing any

43:40

Gramalike work or Bill Watts like work

43:42

events himself over the last couple

43:44

years or ever, but especially over the last

43:46

few years with creative.

43:49

But at

43:50

the same time,

43:52

You know, for forty years, he was the guy, and he made a lot of

43:54

people, a lot of money, and he had a lot of successes.

43:57

And he can crow about

43:59

that. So if he

44:01

all of a sudden

44:02

now

44:03

sees what Rob

44:04

did one

44:05

point five million,

44:08

last week or whatever it was, not even that.

44:10

Then that's you

44:13

know, my God, that's

44:14

what a b show

44:16

or a secondary cable show would have

44:19

done twenty years ago that he's

44:21

still thinking Well, look what I did.

44:24

Well, we'll see what happens

44:25

with Vince, but I guess

44:27

to

44:27

sum it up and

44:28

to finish and go full circle here.

44:32

Are rumors of Vince returning the best thing

44:34

that could happen to AEW?

44:38

Well, let's

44:40

not let's not jump into

44:42

that with both

44:43

feet because if this

44:45

is the comment And a few months goes by, you don't

44:47

hear anything else, then no, this probably would. It

44:50

was probably Vince, you

44:52

know, telling people, yeah, yeah, why,

44:54

I wanna But

44:56

if it gets prevalent or he starts saying

44:58

it in multiple places or to different

45:00

people who gets quoted or whatever,

45:04

then, yes, that might be a

45:06

boom to Tony on

45:08

the other side of the fence

45:10

because then he can start

45:11

telling either guys he might want or

45:13

guys he might that might want

45:15

to leave. Well,

45:18

You

45:18

don't know what you're getting over back day.

45:21

So,

45:22

you

45:23

know, if it

45:25

if it looks like it's more

45:27

than just somebody said that or

45:29

Vince made a comment one day when he

45:31

was frustrated or whatever, then it might turn out to be

45:33

good. But I don't think it's Just

45:36

right now, everybody's gonna start running the other

45:38

direction. Pretty soon, it's

45:39

gonna look like a tennis

45:41

match. Where the

45:44

are

45:44

sitting in the arena trying to follow which way

45:46

the wrestlers are running to safety. At

45:48

and back and

45:49

forth and back and forth. He's here.

45:51

He's there. He's here.

45:53

He's here. another look at it. If

45:55

Vince McMahon

45:56

lives to be ninety five,

45:58

this is gonna keep happening.

46:00

For, like, another fifteen years of him trying to

46:03

gain back control of his company. This

46:05

is a young way.

46:07

yeah no way He's only gonna

46:09

get crazier. And remember when his mother

46:11

a

46:11

hundred?

46:13

That's

46:13

right. So

46:15

so Yes. I I

46:17

mean, until such time that

46:20

he could not function

46:21

and be

46:24

ambulatory, this

46:26

this may went very well

46:28

come up from time to time because

46:30

like I said, it's a never intended

46:32

to

46:33

stop working

46:34

working

46:36

ever. Well,

46:36

Jim Evans is indeed planning a

46:38

comeback. Do you think now is the time

46:41

to get off Turkey and get on

46:43

the count? Well, I don't

46:46

know. It sounds like

46:46

a lot of bull to me, but I'll tell

46:50

you what. With that

46:52

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46:54

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49:07

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49:11

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49:44

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dot com, which is

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The Row's Magazine is now

49:54

reporting Mandy Rose

49:57

has been released By

49:58

the WWE just twenty four

49:59

hours after losing the

50:02

prestigious NXT Women's Championship

50:04

to

50:06

Rock sand pen, rocks, and you

50:08

don't have to put on the

50:09

belt now. No. She does.

50:12

She's the champion. She

50:13

Well, I guess she does. Yeah. Well,

50:16

and she don't have to put on the red light, but I looked in the

50:18

wrestling news stuff here. Mandy rose the

50:20

champion for four hundred and fourteen days.

50:23

How about that? And loses

50:26

the belt on Tuesday night, gets fired

50:28

on Wednesday morning. Apparently,

50:31

the article goes on to

50:33

say, Rose's shock exit

50:36

is reportedly tied to content

50:38

she was posting on her brand

50:40

army page. How

50:42

did ways Brand army, is that like only fans?

50:44

I don't know. Sounds like

50:46

A report from fightful select.

50:51

that WWE felt that the content she was posting was

50:53

outside the parameters of

50:56

her WWE deal.

50:58

This comes just days after Racy

51:00

Photos. Of the star, we're

51:02

leaked online, so she's been running races

51:06

also. Right. But here's a quote from

51:08

fightful select, whoever they may be.

51:12

Fightful

51:12

act has learned that Mandy Rose

51:14

has been released by WWE. WWE

51:17

officials felt they were put

51:19

in a tough position. Based on the content she

51:21

was posting on her brand army page, what was

51:23

she putting out there? I gotta see this stuff.

51:25

I don't have they

51:27

were in a tough position. I wonder what kind of position she was

51:30

in. They felt like

51:32

it was outside of the parameters of

51:34

her WWE deal parameters. She's

51:37

going outside the parameters. Oh,

51:40

no. I think I think you have to pay extra for

51:42

that even on only fans when they go

51:44

outside the parameters. this how

51:46

did we not see any of these photos or

51:48

hear about this news? Because she's on NXT

51:50

because someone's doing shit.

51:55

Maybe that's why she's posting the

51:58

candid photography

51:59

on on

52:01

her brandy,

52:03

brand army page.

52:05

Mandy

52:07

Brandy. Well, I guess this officially

52:09

ends the era of Otis

52:12

and Mandy. Oh. They never

52:13

get did get together those two

52:15

crazy kids, the star

52:18

crossed lovers.

52:20

So, I mean, I

52:22

know

52:22

you can make a lot of

52:24

money on the online

52:28

business also. Of that description. But it would

52:30

seem like that that

52:32

they talked a while back about

52:34

taking over everybody's third party

52:36

shit when they were When

52:39

they were playing video games with on Twitch or

52:41

whatever it was, I would

52:43

think that if

52:46

they You know, that would if they were

52:47

upset about people playing video games

52:50

on twitch, they might be

52:52

upset about people twitching on some other

52:54

kind of

52:56

fucking online

52:56

thing.

52:58

While they're PG rated or whatever, we

53:00

don't know what the young lady's been

53:02

doing. She looks like

53:03

a wholesome girl

53:05

I'm sure she was brought

53:06

up in a good Christian

53:10

home, but those parameters, they're

53:12

hard to fucking, hard

53:14

to beat.

53:14

Hey, Trips. We got a problem.

53:16

What's

53:16

going on? Nancy Rose

53:18

is nude

53:19

on the Internet. Cornette,

53:21

oh that's

53:22

outside the parameters. Why didn't

53:24

I hear about this? What's how do

53:27

I log on to that link?

53:29

She been talking to Vince.

53:31

The way, hey,

53:34

does she look like somebody that would

53:36

leak? Mandy Rose? Is she

53:38

a leaker? I guess we need to go to Brand Army to

53:40

find out. See,

53:42

I'm just I kid.

53:45

I just joke. But

53:48

maybe she's got something to leak

53:50

or or Alright. Well, maybe she's

53:52

got something to spill. All perverted kidding

53:55

aside. From what you've seen of Mandy Rose,

53:57

and they tried to revamp her and give a say,

53:59

I haven't seen enough. I was never interested

54:02

until now. Oh, boy. But what from

54:04

what how do I say this so can't

54:06

hit me with something like this. From

54:08

what you gather --

54:10

Mhmm. -- based on anything

54:13

On television, a national

54:16

cable that you have witnessed in the past with

54:18

Mandy Rose.

54:20

Is she someone that AEW should look at for their women's division?

54:23

Well, good lord.

54:24

I mean, how low can

54:26

the bar be? We're talking

54:30

about the division that

54:30

brought us big swole, Athena,

54:34

and

54:36

Meho. So so i've

54:38

If this girl can get in the ring without falling down, yes.

54:41

And I believe she can. I don't

54:43

I don't think we've seen her completely just trip

54:45

over the ropes getting in

54:48

the ring. Hey. An article just went up on Forbes by

54:50

Alfred Kanua. Ma'am

54:52

again? Mandy

54:53

Rose reportedly released amid nude photo

54:55

and video leaks, and

54:58

I was scrolling through this just to get more information and and Yeah.

55:00

Just just merely to do your

55:02

research. That's the only reason you were well, they're not

55:04

gonna have nude photos here in Forbes, so that's

55:06

exactly why

55:08

I was rolling through this and

55:10

listen to this. Rose's situation transcends

55:12

the third party deal conversation,

55:16

however, given

55:16

the racy nature of what we're supposed to

55:18

be private

55:21

photos for pay. So

55:24

it's not just there's photos

55:26

of man putting out there. Someone's specifically

55:28

requesting, I want photos of nips,

55:32

and she's selling it. Wait. Wait. Wait. Wait.

55:34

Wait, man. Is there a quote in Forbes with

55:36

the word nips? No. I'm trying to find

55:38

out if this is a for instance. Someone

55:40

saying I wanna see some skin, and she's saying, okay, here's how

55:43

big were you gonna send skin without

55:45

seeing nips. Okay. Were you gonna

55:47

be able to just that's just

55:49

low class and and rude. So basically, what you're

55:52

saying is she's been clapping her clam on

55:54

the Cornette.

55:56

And now, I didn't say that. Somebody

55:59

is upset about it

56:02

because but

56:04

it was a it was a a private transaction.

56:06

She wasn't just posted here.

56:08

This is free. You can

56:11

look at the goddamn Lincoln Tunnel absolutely

56:14

free. What she was doing, what she was

56:16

making a business arrangement with

56:18

specific people. Hey, this is

56:20

just

56:20

for you, and then they, of

56:22

course, went back on that deal apparently,

56:24

and just leaked all

56:26

this stuff. But let's look at this. It's

56:28

dripping everywhere. When you stop, let's try to look

56:30

at this in an honest way and have an honest conversation

56:32

about it. If you're WWE, if you're

56:35

Jim Cornette Enterprises, whatever it may be.

56:36

What do you see

56:39

as being okay for third

56:41

party deals? If someone wants to play a

56:43

video game on Twitch, should that

56:45

be considered the same thing as someone selling nude photos of

56:47

themselves to creepy fans?

56:50

Well, here's in

56:53

all honesty. And by the way, I'm I'm completely pro

56:56

porn. But if they're

56:57

supposed

56:58

to be,

57:00

APID, they can't do Playboy anymore, right, because

57:02

they're a PG company. The

57:04

sponsors, they don't want

57:06

so

57:08

I haven't seen the material, so I don't know whether it's

57:10

mild to wild or anything in

57:13

between. But but if if

57:16

The executives of the company

57:18

that she works for us said, well,

57:20

she's a featured person in

57:22

NXT and

57:23

she's the champion in all

57:25

this stuff. But shit. If

57:27

anybody sees this, it's just a chance

57:29

out. I forget it. Yes, shit. There our

57:32

champion is doing this. It's the

57:34

homeless thing. So if, you know, that's the thing. If they say,

57:36

Jesus Christ, you can't,

57:38

you know, have ant ant fanny out there

57:40

in front of God and everybody, whether it's

57:43

private personal deal or not or whatever if it's going to show

57:46

up on the Internet in some

57:48

fashion, this is probably something

57:49

you should have not done

57:52

presenting us and we're trying to do deals with Disney,

57:54

then I yeah. I

57:55

understand that. The

57:58

question becomes,

57:59

Which

57:59

which endeavor

58:02

was she making a bigger profit

58:04

at? Was

58:04

she making more

58:06

money? Traveling all over

58:07

the place, getting in a ring with people that

58:09

are gonna land on her, and

58:11

landing on

58:12

shit herself, and getting

58:15

beat up or whatever the fuck,

58:17

or she could've make more money

58:19

and I

58:19

assume of a less

58:22

violent setting showing off as ain't

58:24

lonely used to

58:25

say what God giver.

58:28

So if if it's

58:30

anywhere close, maybe that's

58:32

the the preferable

58:33

fucking direction there.

58:35

But I I would think I would I would

58:37

understand why you can't do both. Maybe

58:39

playing video games with wrestling fans and making

58:42

money at it. That's one

58:44

thing. Unless you're

58:44

while you're sitting there playing video games,

58:46

you go, yeah, I hate the fucking WWE.

58:49

I wait to like it at it. Well, then that's another

58:51

thing. But but no. Not if you're,

58:53

you know you know

58:56

fiddling with

58:56

the little man in the boat on

58:59

the fucking Movie screen for everybody

59:01

to see. We'll let everyone know

59:03

what else happens. We'll stay on

59:05

top of

59:05

this Mandy Row situation. Let's we'll

59:08

stay as will stay as tightly on top of her as we

59:10

possibly can and bring

59:12

you all the news as

59:13

soon as it erupts.

59:16

Jim

59:16

Moore, WWE News, this week, apparently, Matt

59:19

Riddle, failed a second drug

59:21

test, and he has been

59:23

sent to rehab He has

59:25

been written off TV for what I've seen

59:28

as at least six weeks. They

59:30

say he ought to go to

59:32

rehab. He

59:34

said bro, Pro. Pro. That's horrible.

59:36

Here

59:36

now

59:37

this is I got I feel sorry for

59:39

this guy. I don't even

59:42

like him. And I've never met him in person. I just I

59:44

don't like his wrestling or the way he

59:46

looks or dresses or acts or speaks or

59:49

breeze or anything else, but, you know, but I got nothing against

59:52

him. But here's the

59:54

thing. I've got a guy on

59:55

the fucking

59:58

card whose entire

59:58

gimmick and personality that

1:00:01

they write

1:00:02

for is that

1:00:04

he's

1:00:04

on drugs and then

1:00:07

They threaten to fire him and make him

1:00:09

go to rehab when they find out, he's

1:00:11

on drugs. Does

1:00:14

that make Hey bro, you wanna

1:00:16

hit my bong. Go?

1:00:18

That's it. That's

1:00:21

just so Where

1:00:23

is the surprise here? Wouldn't have

1:00:25

been more surprised if they out he wasn't

1:00:28

on drugs?

1:00:32

I think there's different sending mixed messages. There are

1:00:34

different drugs. I think that they're okay

1:00:36

now to push in with marijuana.

1:00:40

Seemingly, but cocaine

1:00:42

and ecstasy for instance may be a different story.

1:00:44

Well, now that's been leaked.

1:00:47

See all these leaks and and drips

1:00:49

and trickles. And then

1:00:52

trickles, when they trickle down, then

1:00:54

they drip. Yeah.

1:00:56

Honestly, I don't know with

1:00:58

this guy whether invite could tell if he

1:01:00

was on cocaine and and ecstasy as

1:01:04

well. But again, you're sitting mixed messages, either

1:01:06

approve of the guy being on drugs on

1:01:08

your television program as long as he's

1:01:12

only faking being on

1:01:14

drugs? Or

1:01:15

when you find out that the

1:01:17

guy that you tell to go out

1:01:19

back like he's on drugs, on your television program,

1:01:21

is on drugs, you really can't goddamn

1:01:23

say anything.

1:01:26

That's

1:01:26

my

1:01:27

belief. What do

1:01:30

you

1:01:30

believe

1:01:32

believe? About what? I

1:01:34

believe that riddle apparently is in treatments right

1:01:37

now. We hope for the best. Yeah. We

1:01:39

hope for the best for Matt because he

1:01:41

got he got jacked around. See, he

1:01:43

was just doing research for his role. He's

1:01:45

a he's a method act actor. What

1:01:47

no one said anything about meth? No one said anything

1:01:49

about meth. No methad.

1:01:52

Methad. Who's he? He's a

1:01:54

methad

1:01:54

actor.

1:01:56

You see,

1:01:57

he he goes to the to the Stanislofsky method. See,

1:01:59

he was researching his part. He wanted to

1:02:01

make sure that he was

1:02:03

playing this. His credibly and believeably to the best

1:02:05

of his ability, so he wanted to

1:02:07

research all these

1:02:07

various drugs so he'd know

1:02:10

which ones,

1:02:11

then he act

1:02:12

like he was on, which ones he didn't need

1:02:14

to act like he was on?

1:02:16

I've never seen much of the cocaine,

1:02:18

but I have seen the at

1:02:20

least the marijuana and the ecstasy, along with

1:02:22

the just

1:02:23

lack of brain cells. Where do you

1:02:25

see them in the ecstasy? Well,

1:02:28

he's always smiling. Oh, you mean on

1:02:30

him? I thought you meant like, yeah. I've walked into a

1:02:32

room. I've never seen the cocaine, but I've seen

1:02:34

the marijuana and the ecstasy. No.

1:02:36

No. That's another line completely. I've never seen a wrestle, but I

1:02:38

have seen a box, but we're not talking about

1:02:40

that now. You know, I'm talking

1:02:43

about on him.

1:02:44

He doesn't

1:02:45

he never seem real hyper. He always seems more laid back like

1:02:47

he's going in that direction. Do you think

1:02:49

the ecstasy explains the

1:02:52

birds? Did

1:02:53

fly out of his

1:02:55

ass? Yeah. I

1:02:56

don't know, but they it had to be some

1:02:58

high price shit because remember, Halloween, they

1:03:00

turned into pumpkins, one time they were giraffes. When

1:03:03

you're just not only producing

1:03:05

farm animals and wildlife out

1:03:07

of your anal fainter, but

1:03:09

also different kinds and different

1:03:10

holiday seasons, you've

1:03:12

you've

1:03:12

got a serious drug problem.

1:03:16

Does this change the way you use him when he comes out of rehab if you're

1:03:18

WWE and I asked that about Riddle

1:03:20

specifically or about anybody who's

1:03:22

over mid card, top star?

1:03:25

Well, this does present

1:03:28

an

1:03:28

interesting conundrum for him, doesn't

1:03:30

it? Because now,

1:03:32

If the guy comes

1:03:33

out and makes these stupid, childish,

1:03:35

adolescent jokes that nobody over the

1:03:37

age of thirteen would get a giggle out

1:03:39

of to begin with,

1:03:42

about

1:03:43

about his marijuana

1:03:46

smoking or whatever the fuck they've got him

1:03:48

doing. After he's just come out

1:03:50

a rehab, Well, doesn't

1:03:52

that

1:03:52

leave a bad taste in people's mouth? Is that

1:03:54

like would that have been like

1:03:55

a moxley came out of rehab and then they

1:03:57

had him come out and act like

1:03:59

he's drunk? So and

1:04:01

since that's I mean, we got

1:04:03

a marked marrow situation here too because the

1:04:05

only thing that Matt Riddle's ever done

1:04:07

is be Stoner Matt

1:04:10

Riddle bro. So if you take that away, is he gonna

1:04:11

go to college and suddenly start speaking like

1:04:14

fucking Keith Lee or

1:04:15

Fraser Crane? or frazier grain

1:04:18

And using

1:04:18

big multi syllabus terms,

1:04:20

or are they

1:04:22

gonna have him go back and do the same thing, but

1:04:24

just only do the drugs that we write

1:04:27

in the script for you to do,

1:04:29

do not do the other drugs. See,

1:04:32

this is a very sticky situation here.

1:04:34

Nope at all, kidding aside.

1:04:37

WWE uses him pretty

1:04:39

well. Obviously, they

1:04:40

like

1:04:41

his material because they've fed

1:04:44

into it.

1:04:44

And in the last year, there was that one scandal

1:04:47

where he was accused, I believe,

1:04:49

of rape by

1:04:52

his mistress blew up his

1:04:54

marriage. No. Wait a minute. No. Wait a

1:04:56

minute. No. This is

1:04:58

his his unauthorized girlfriend

1:05:01

outside of marriage. Mistress could have all kinds of connotations. We

1:05:03

don't know what she was doing with him or to

1:05:06

him or whatever. Well, they claimed that they

1:05:08

were in she claimed that I don't

1:05:10

think he disagreed that they were in a relationship

1:05:12

together. That's why I said, Michelle, but well,

1:05:14

but she didn't have handcuffs and fucking leg

1:05:16

garments on, even wasn't whack at him with a fucking crop. So

1:05:19

I didn't mean I didn't mean mistress

1:05:21

of the club. I

1:05:24

meant mistress An actual

1:05:26

mystery In this traditional

1:05:28

art? Elvira. Elvira. I

1:05:30

meant a traditional mysteries.

1:05:32

I sent traditional Manuel. We

1:05:35

want these traditional family values to

1:05:37

be on the program. A

1:05:39

very serious topic. Matt Riddle

1:05:40

certainly is. Matt Riddle has

1:05:43

already had that. Now he's

1:05:44

been popped for what we're gonna assume is not

1:05:46

marijuana. So a lot of

1:05:48

people are saying

1:05:49

a lot of different things.

1:05:52

At a certain point with someone like

1:05:54

that, then you could put any wrestler in that position.

1:05:56

When you have these things happening, and it

1:05:58

seems

1:05:58

like there's always some kind of

1:06:00

drama What does that do to

1:06:01

use a company in terms of your future preparations

1:06:03

and what you wanna do

1:06:06

with someone?

1:06:07

It did. You know, because we've all seen Jeff Hardy, I

1:06:09

guess, that's the biggest long term example we have

1:06:12

now. Right? Well,

1:06:14

yes. But there's a

1:06:16

whole lot of space between

1:06:18

Riddle and

1:06:18

Jeff at this point still.

1:06:21

You know, they could because

1:06:23

I don't

1:06:23

think you can if this is

1:06:25

the second time he's flunked a test,

1:06:27

the second time he's ever flunked a test because

1:06:29

he's never worked anywhere else.

1:06:31

And, you know, Jeff's issues, and

1:06:33

thankfully, he's getting those addressed.

1:06:36

And from what we can tell from anything

1:06:38

Matt has said, everything's

1:06:40

going smoothly. But that was

1:06:42

over a longer period of time of

1:06:44

years and in multiple companies that there were

1:06:46

issues.

1:06:47

So Does

1:06:49

the guy have an issue that is a problem that

1:06:51

needs to be addressed or is the

1:06:53

guy just goofy and just goes

1:06:55

out and

1:06:55

does shit? Like

1:06:58

his apparently, you know, fairly true life

1:07:00

gimmick indicates, does he just go

1:07:02

out and do shit without thinking about it ahead of

1:07:04

time? Or, hey, maybe I shouldn't have done

1:07:08

that. Who

1:07:08

knows? But

1:07:10

I think that

1:07:11

you've

1:07:12

got to you've got

1:07:13

to take into account

1:07:15

the totality

1:07:18

of working with

1:07:18

a guy. They've been around him for

1:07:20

several years on a regular basis.

1:07:22

I'm talking about the WWE office, and

1:07:25

they know probably kind of what

1:07:28

they've got there

1:07:28

and and who he

1:07:31

is. And if

1:07:32

it you know,

1:07:33

they let him get by

1:07:35

when by with, but

1:07:37

they they did not take action

1:07:40

on the accusation because apparently

1:07:42

there were other people in the van. I guess

1:07:44

they talked to people, whatever

1:07:46

the case, it didn't seem like that they

1:07:48

felt they needed to do to do

1:07:50

anything there.

1:07:52

But

1:07:52

with

1:07:53

this, if it's the second

1:07:55

time, then

1:07:56

they, you know,

1:07:58

they

1:07:59

they

1:07:59

have probably force this issue because the third strike you're out no

1:08:02

matter who you are, at

1:08:04

least if people find out

1:08:05

about it, I guess.

1:08:08

And

1:08:08

they don't

1:08:09

wanna get rid of me

1:08:11

or they don't want him to, you know, fuck

1:08:13

up and then have to get rid

1:08:15

of me. So maybe they've done this now because they still wanna

1:08:17

keep him. They wanna use him. He

1:08:19

he probably

1:08:21

would fit right in with

1:08:23

that Bola fucking nuts over

1:08:24

in AEW. So they

1:08:27

probably wanna keep him. Don't wanna

1:08:29

get rid of him, but they know they'll

1:08:31

have to if it happens again. And

1:08:33

I would imagine he would be

1:08:35

on some kind of double secret probation for a little while after

1:08:36

this,

1:08:40

but I I don't

1:08:41

we don't wanna act like all of

1:08:42

a sudden oh my god. Here's another Jeff Hardy

1:08:44

when

1:08:45

Jeff was having his issues

1:08:47

for a a long

1:08:50

period

1:08:50

of time in multiple places.

1:08:52

I guess

1:08:53

a big overall

1:08:56

question because A

1:08:57

lot of people have been wondering about

1:08:59

the current state of the WWE Wellness System. And since they won a lot people have

1:09:01

questioned if

1:09:01

there was an AEW

1:09:04

Wellness System,

1:09:06

Should wrestling

1:09:07

companies test for all these

1:09:09

drugs? Do you think that's inside the purview

1:09:11

of what a wrestling promotion or

1:09:13

a promoter should do or

1:09:15

Well, what are your thoughts on

1:09:15

that?

1:09:18

It

1:09:18

it was

1:09:19

was it was necessary at

1:09:21

one time, I think, because it

1:09:24

became necessary Sherry, because and

1:09:26

especially, I'm not talking about guys

1:09:26

in independence because they can do what they,

1:09:29

you know, they can

1:09:31

do what they want. Right?

1:09:33

Good or bad? Is their

1:09:35

adults and their independent contractors? the WWF, later

1:09:40

WWE, As we've talked about, those

1:09:42

guys are independent contractors in classification only. They tell you

1:09:44

what to do, where to

1:09:47

go, etcetera, etcetera, but cause

1:09:49

so many of the guys were

1:09:51

developing be had be some

1:09:56

testing.

1:09:57

And for a

1:09:58

while, at least while I was there in the nineties, they appeared to be somewhat serious. They even

1:10:01

tested

1:10:04

me. When I came in just managing, you know,

1:10:06

Yoko for TVs, oh, you gotta do so, I take

1:10:08

the thing, go to the bathroom. The guys

1:10:10

followed me. I'm like, what are you doing?

1:10:14

I've got to watch you.

1:10:16

Now that was a new one on me. I'd

1:10:18

had a few drug tests in different places,

1:10:20

but the drag I should I

1:10:22

don't

1:10:23

know you. And unless

1:10:25

you're a sexy girl, it's

1:10:27

gonna do a variety of

1:10:29

At attractive

1:10:30

things, I'm probably not gonna let you watch me piss, foul, and

1:10:34

and so

1:10:36

they oh, you gotta do it as well. I don't

1:10:38

really have to goddamn do it. And Jerry Briscoe's at air. Come here come here with me. And he fucking

1:10:40

went in the bathroom with me.

1:10:42

He said, I'm a a fish

1:10:45

or whatever the fuck. And he

1:10:47

stood outside the stall and whistled.

1:10:48

But, you

1:10:49

know, the the guys

1:10:52

that had problems and in the

1:10:54

WWE and in WCW at that time. You know, when they were during

1:10:56

the attitude

1:10:57

era, when they

1:11:00

were actually making money and

1:11:02

and guys had issues. And I

1:11:03

I mean, you can go down into further company

1:11:04

i i mean you can go down into further

1:11:07

of guys do work

1:11:09

independence. But for the money

1:11:11

that he's paying, he

1:11:15

should have the, I think, the privilege

1:11:17

of knowing whether anybody's fucked up or not,

1:11:19

especially if there's reason, if there's

1:11:21

cause, if there's reason to

1:11:24

believe it. Because once a lot of companies

1:11:26

establish programs and and sooner or later, it's

1:11:28

expensive, and

1:11:31

you're finding that most people ain't flunkin'

1:11:34

then it starts becoming a

1:11:36

cost issue, and then they start

1:11:38

doing it on cause. If somebody

1:11:40

suspects something or whatever. So,

1:11:42

I mean, you know, yes. I think the WWE

1:11:44

has a right to because as much as

1:11:46

they gotta right, tell

1:11:47

any of the other tell

1:11:51

the other guys or tell the guys any of the other things

1:11:53

they tell them. And if

1:11:54

you're working for a

1:11:55

company full time and

1:11:57

there's big money involved, if

1:11:59

it's goddamn hundred

1:12:00

and fifty dollar independent shot, you know,

1:12:02

not only can the promoters not afford it

1:12:04

not only kinda promoters not afford it but

1:12:07

it, but then the gasoline will fuck you. I'll just work for you these other

1:12:09

fucking clowns. I so there there

1:12:11

has to be a

1:12:13

cut off point. But do the guys

1:12:15

do most of

1:12:18

the wrestlers take drugs

1:12:20

anymore, or do they

1:12:22

all play video games and Watch Japanese

1:12:25

tapes. There are still plenty of wrestlers

1:12:27

with pill problems. There are

1:12:29

still plenty of wrestlers doing

1:12:31

plenty of drugs. It doesn't

1:12:33

go away. Well, good. It's good to know that at least some things

1:12:35

never change. No. And and that's that's the

1:12:38

biggest thing that ought to be looked

1:12:40

for. I

1:12:43

would think

1:12:43

honestly is prescription medication

1:12:45

pain killers in

1:12:47

specific because that's

1:12:49

the The issue now, I

1:12:52

think that if anybody in the wrestling

1:12:54

business has one, that's where it starts.

1:12:56

Jim's

1:12:57

scrolling through Twitter right now

1:12:59

based on what your live update was earlier. I have to say a lot of fans

1:13:01

are livid about Mandy Rose being

1:13:03

released. They think it's

1:13:04

a double

1:13:05

standard from WWE. A

1:13:07

lot of people feel that it's unfair

1:13:09

that she's been released for these photos when they've had people posed for Playboy

1:13:11

in the past? A lot of

1:13:13

people think it's misogynist? Well,

1:13:16

and and Again,

1:13:18

during the attitude era, is

1:13:20

they girls

1:13:21

they were the guys

1:13:23

were encouraging the girls in the

1:13:25

crowd to flash their tits.

1:13:27

So how could they

1:13:27

not have people in Playboy? And plus

1:13:29

when they got people in Playboy,

1:13:32

whether it was SABL

1:13:33

or then China or whoever the

1:13:35

fuck's done it since then

1:13:37

it was big sales and big

1:13:39

publicity, and that meant something

1:13:41

for business. But then

1:13:44

when they

1:13:46

determined

1:13:48

determined that they needed to be

1:13:50

PG family oriented for the wider

1:13:52

sponsorships they could get

1:13:55

or the networks or whatever the fuck, then they couldn't

1:13:57

do that anymore. So it's not

1:13:59

a double standard

1:14:02

if you did

1:14:03

if a company did something twenty years

1:14:05

ago and then has changed their method

1:14:07

of to the point where they can't do

1:14:09

that thing anymore, it's not a double standard. It's only a

1:14:11

double standard somebody is being allowed to do

1:14:14

something right

1:14:14

now in this current environment

1:14:18

that somebody else in their same position as not being allowed

1:14:20

to do. Then you can

1:14:22

kinda get cranky about

1:14:24

it.

1:14:26

Well, perhaps

1:14:27

if I'm not

1:14:28

gonna transition there

1:14:29

and I'm not gonna do that one.

1:14:31

So we'll get another question in and then

1:14:33

I'll go to the transition

1:14:35

Jim, a lot of people have been asking questions

1:14:37

still. It's been a popular topic for weeks

1:14:39

now about

1:14:41

William Regal.

1:14:42

A report came

1:14:43

out this week, and I believe I

1:14:45

have an article here from P. W.

1:14:48

Insider. Mike Johnson,

1:14:50

WWE sources

1:14:52

have confirmed William Regal has officially come

1:14:54

to terms on his new position

1:14:56

within the company and will start

1:14:58

the first week of January, we are

1:15:01

told Regal will have a

1:15:03

vice president position in

1:15:04

the company when he returns

1:15:06

but we

1:15:07

have not heard what his official title or

1:15:09

role will be? William

1:15:11

Reebel returning as vice

1:15:13

president, undefined

1:15:14

role. What are your

1:15:16

thoughts? Well,

1:15:16

and obviously, that's what they wanted him for.

1:15:18

They didn't want him to come back

1:15:23

and be a manager on

1:15:23

television or, you know,

1:15:26

specifically be

1:15:28

the general manager

1:15:30

authority figure, whatever of in

1:15:32

tea. A lot of people

1:15:34

were talking about that. That's something he's done before, but that was

1:15:37

an

1:15:39

extension of the

1:15:40

jobs and responsibilities he had. You

1:15:43

knew that Triple h has always

1:15:45

been close to Regal.

1:15:47

Regal helped him when

1:15:50

triple h first was starting in

1:15:52

WCW and Regal had first got there,

1:15:54

but he'd still

1:15:55

been in the business a while.

1:15:57

He's as

1:15:57

we've talked about, a great guy

1:15:59

to listen to if you wanna train or if you wanna know psychology just the, you know, the

1:16:02

ins and outs

1:16:03

of the actual

1:16:04

you know the ins and outs of the actual

1:16:07

physical aspect of wrestling, all those things.

1:16:09

And so, yes, I'm sure

1:16:12

triple h once

1:16:14

seemed for some type of vice president of

1:16:17

developmental or of training

1:16:19

or

1:16:19

scouting or

1:16:21

talent acquisition or you know, jerk in

1:16:23

a knot and talents tailor, whatever they come up with,

1:16:25

that's what he's gonna be doing. And I

1:16:28

saw people

1:16:30

say, well, Apparently, now the story

1:16:32

is that there's a there

1:16:34

there

1:16:34

was a a clause

1:16:37

in whatever out

1:16:38

Tony Kahn gave gave

1:16:40

him to get out early

1:16:42

that he

1:16:43

couldn't be on camera for

1:16:45

the WWE. And and people were

1:16:47

going, well, how dare Tony do that. I

1:16:49

thought he was gonna be different. Well, that would be a smart thing. If he did

1:16:51

do that, if he inserted that,

1:16:53

if he did do that if he inserted that

1:16:55

Well, at least he can't leave

1:16:56

my TV and go

1:16:58

right back to their TV.

1:17:00

I don't know whether that's

1:17:02

the case or not, but that was something

1:17:04

that was reported and that I

1:17:06

would agree with Tony on. But the point is, WWE had no

1:17:09

problem in

1:17:11

agreeing to that

1:17:11

or would have had no problem because that's not

1:17:13

primarily what they want him

1:17:15

for. He's important

1:17:17

behind the scenes at

1:17:19

his age with his experience

1:17:21

and with the respect and goodwill he asked for most of

1:17:23

the people in the business. Obviously, there

1:17:25

were people in AEW

1:17:27

that wouldn't even a

1:17:30

new William Regal for a buck's sake, because know it better everything most people,

1:17:33

the respect everything as for most people

1:17:36

that where he's most valuable

1:17:38

in that company moving forward as they can get another even

1:17:40

at his age, at

1:17:42

ten years or however long,

1:17:45

that

1:17:46

he wants to stay

1:17:48

involved of his knowledge and

1:17:50

experience in building and developing new

1:17:52

talent. developing new town That's

1:17:54

what he's gonna be doing. I would certainly

1:17:57

almost bet my

1:17:58

house on

1:18:00

it. And again,

1:18:01

no problem with Tony insisting

1:18:03

on one year off TV. That's the

1:18:05

smart thing to do. Well, yes. Because, again, it

1:18:07

wouldn't gonna stop the deal. it wouldn't gonna

1:18:09

stop the deal Like I

1:18:11

said,

1:18:11

because obviously they want Regal for more than

1:18:13

just to be on camera, but at least

1:18:15

it and all the smart fans

1:18:17

are gonna go, well, we all know,

1:18:20

you know, he's going anyway. Well,

1:18:22

yeah, but they don't need to number

1:18:23

one, beat you over the head with it by put sticking him on

1:18:25

TV the week after

1:18:27

he gets there. And

1:18:30

secondly, as we've found out with even

1:18:31

the amount of attention

1:18:34

that the

1:18:35

c m punk

1:18:38

Media

1:18:38

scrum all out, fallout,

1:18:40

EBP suspended the whole nine yards, all

1:18:42

the attention that got on the from

1:18:45

Reports

1:18:45

that we had from the buildings, there were still just

1:18:47

the fans that go buy a ticket,

1:18:48

go see the

1:18:51

live show, watch it, on

1:18:53

TV ever so often, whatever that were like, where are

1:18:55

all these guys? What happened? They didn't know. There's

1:18:58

didn't know plenty of people

1:19:00

of people that watch

1:19:03

NXT, that don't watch AEW,

1:19:05

just like even Okdave, reports the

1:19:07

statistics on to pay per

1:19:09

views. There's people who

1:19:11

order the WWE pay

1:19:12

per views that don't order

1:19:14

the AEWs and vice versa. And

1:19:16

there's some

1:19:17

people that order the

1:19:19

AEW pay per views? That don't order

1:19:21

the ring of honor or vice versa,

1:19:23

whatever. So you can't just assume everybody knows

1:19:27

everything. And if Regal showed up on RAW or

1:19:29

SmackDown or NXT or

1:19:31

whatever after this bizarre

1:19:34

exit from AW that would

1:19:37

kind of rub little

1:19:38

sodium into the wounds.

1:19:40

But I'll tell

1:19:43

you again, nobody John Barry Moore at the

1:19:46

Palladium didn't have the number of fucking curtain calls

1:19:48

that William Regal

1:19:49

had to get him out

1:19:51

of that company. He

1:19:54

he

1:19:54

walked out, he was carried out, and then he spoke from beyond the grave. It

1:19:56

was like they

1:19:58

were

1:19:59

one

1:19:59

of those created adventure books where

1:20:02

you get to choose the ending based on which fucking path you wanna take. You know,

1:20:04

just to go back

1:20:06

to

1:20:07

that, you know, the

1:20:08

MJF hitting him with the

1:20:11

brass knuckles. That was the perfect

1:20:11

final goodbye. Once we got to

1:20:13

that point, okay, let

1:20:15

it play out. Him coming

1:20:17

back after that. Defeats the whole purpose of that being the last image you have of William Regal on

1:20:20

TV there, which helps the

1:20:22

world champion. Oh, but but clip

1:20:24

It

1:20:26

was taped two weeks beforehand,

1:20:29

see. And and and

1:20:31

and Shavani, boy, you can

1:20:33

you can trust Tony Shavani

1:20:35

with government secrets. Because he didn't was any just yelling

1:20:37

about William Reebel being in a scumbag for turning on Moxie to go with MJF

1:20:39

He already did. Yeah. Knew about

1:20:42

this. Why was he yelling about

1:20:44

that? And he was also yelling at

1:20:46

MJF for beat a scumbag when he turned it blah blah blah blah blah. But the point is,

1:20:51

With that, yes. It

1:20:52

it should have been the the out

1:20:54

and MJF should have explained.

1:20:57

What needed

1:20:59

to be explained. But it

1:21:01

but instead, you know, because

1:21:03

I guess seventeen people probably had

1:21:05

a hand in that. Trying to

1:21:07

figure out how to get rid of him. Well, Jim, we've

1:21:09

spoken a lot about

1:21:10

William Regal here on the show recently.

1:21:13

He's been a popular topic He has finally made

1:21:15

a comment on Twitter a couple days ago.

1:21:17

Let me read this to you get

1:21:19

your thoughts. There seems to be

1:21:21

a lot of news about me getting spread

1:21:24

around. There's enough people

1:21:26

who really know me,

1:21:28

although they are few as

1:21:30

trust is a big issue with

1:21:32

me, Who

1:21:33

know the truth?

1:21:34

Unless you hear it from

1:21:35

me directly, it is at

1:21:39

best secondhand information. Unless you

1:21:42

hear it directly from me on caps, it is either wrong or

1:21:44

someone's interpretation

1:21:45

of what

1:21:47

is really going on.

1:21:49

what is really going on

1:21:50

And

1:21:51

that means everything in caps

1:21:53

that is being said about

1:21:55

me from every source

1:21:58

in quotes That's escalated over that

1:22:01

tweet. That goes for anyone

1:22:03

saying and that's all

1:22:06

in caps. They have spoken or know me.

1:22:08

A still tongue

1:22:11

keeps a wise

1:22:12

head. Yeah. Well,

1:22:14

the source for our information was Tony at that press conference. Yeah. That's kind of where

1:22:16

we got that. But, of

1:22:18

course, we had been mentioning that

1:22:23

he was going back for some time and and wouldn't you know who

1:22:25

won the pony? And that's what happened. Of course.

1:22:27

That's what happened. We

1:22:30

didn't say we heard it from William Regal, and,

1:22:32

you know, I know William Regal, but I haven't

1:22:34

spoken to him about this, and that's why

1:22:37

I'd never said I did. I think he's talking about some of

1:22:39

these

1:22:39

other people with the lack of

1:22:42

journalistic integrity that you and I

1:22:44

possess. I will confirm that William

1:22:45

Regal is not my source

1:22:47

for William Regal I

1:22:49

I concur and

1:22:50

I do the same, but we still seem to be getting it mostly right.

1:22:52

we still seem to be get and mostly right

1:22:55

Well, another

1:22:56

another To

1:22:57

get off the William Regal topic here, this is something else that a lot of people have

1:23:00

found interesting.

1:23:00

something else that a lot of people of sound

1:23:03

interesting He recently,

1:23:05

apparently in October, spoken an ITR inside the

1:23:07

rope's live event. I'm

1:23:10

assuming

1:23:10

in the UK,

1:23:12

With

1:23:12

our our good friend, Kenny McEntosh, he's everywhere. Check

1:23:14

your home movies folks. Kenny's gonna be in the flick. Well,

1:23:17

here's a quote

1:23:19

from William Regal.

1:23:20

Mister McMahon was very good to me. To

1:23:23

the point of, I will say

1:23:25

this because whatever

1:23:27

he's going through, He

1:23:30

was excellent to me. I had a talent contract as well as an employee

1:23:32

contract.

1:23:34

the as well as an employee conference

1:23:36

And it didn't run out until

1:23:38

the end of April because I played William Regal. I started for AEW on

1:23:42

the seventh of March.

1:23:45

I didn't

1:23:45

call anybody else. I sent a message

1:23:47

straight to the boss.

1:23:47

Hey, boss. I've got this

1:23:49

thing with Brian, being

1:23:51

Brian Danielsen.

1:23:54

And he loves Brian as well. Absolutely,

1:23:58

you

1:23:58

go and

1:24:00

still paid me until

1:24:02

the end of my

1:24:04

talent I was the only person who ever

1:24:06

got paid by both companies

1:24:07

at the same time. Now you know a

1:24:09

little bit about this because

1:24:10

you talked about the different contracts

1:24:13

when you were there. Yes. What are your thoughts on the idea he was being paid by

1:24:15

both companies? And that Vince said, yeah, that's

1:24:19

fine. Go there.

1:24:20

Well, but now

1:24:21

let's back up for a second

1:24:24

because Vince is the one that

1:24:26

gave him notice. Right? Regal didn't

1:24:28

quit. And

1:24:30

and that

1:24:31

he was let go. He was

1:24:33

released and that was while Vince

1:24:35

was still in charge. Correct? That

1:24:37

is what we had heard.

1:24:39

So it

1:24:41

is technically possible and

1:24:43

it's not

1:24:44

the only

1:24:46

the only time it's

1:24:48

ever happened in

1:24:48

this respect for someone to

1:24:50

have an employee contract and a talent contract or

1:24:54

were owed him

1:24:55

when I was there and told this story,

1:24:56

I'm not gonna do it again, but they

1:24:58

couldn't make you an employee if you were

1:25:01

still going to

1:25:03

be taking bumps and being physically

1:25:05

active. But since Regal has

1:25:07

had health issues, and he

1:25:09

was not being asked

1:25:10

to be physically active,

1:25:14

It's not

1:25:14

unheard of for someone to have

1:25:16

an employee contract, but also have a

1:25:19

talent contract. And remember, like I

1:25:20

think Triple S Stephanie's been in

1:25:22

that Place in

1:25:23

triple h has been in that place where they're executives,

1:25:25

but they still have a talent contract

1:25:27

which is separate and pays

1:25:29

them to appear on

1:25:31

television as a rather than working

1:25:33

in the company. So Regal could

1:25:35

have

1:25:35

had that.

1:25:39

And it

1:25:39

is not unusual for

1:25:41

those contracts to end at

1:25:43

different times because they

1:25:45

might be

1:25:46

signed at different

1:25:48

times. He might

1:25:48

have become an employee after

1:25:51

he already had an existing talent contract and they would renew

1:25:55

you

1:25:55

know, each contract as they come up rather than doing it

1:25:57

in a lump. So

1:25:59

but he's

1:25:59

right. As far as I

1:26:02

would know, as far as I

1:26:04