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Episode 324

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0:00

Hello again friends, and

0:03

happy new year! And I

0:05

know this sounds crazy, I think I hear a gardener

0:07

in the background, but welcome to another edition of Jim

0:09

Cornette's drive through the first of 2024, maybe the most

0:13

daunting episode we've ever had to

0:15

do. There is too

0:18

much to talk about,

0:20

and we will struggle our way through talking

0:22

about all of it, with this

0:24

man, the leader of the

0:26

Cult of Cornette, Mr. Vacation himself, Jim

0:29

Cornette. Too much brought too

0:31

much time on my hands is a

0:34

phrase that I have not uttered lately,

0:38

for the past several years as a matter of fact.

0:41

I have not been sitting on a bar stool talking

0:43

like a damn fool. I do

0:45

not have too much time on my hands

0:47

ticking away at my sanity. What's ticking away

0:49

at my sanity is these

0:52

lunatics will not stop doing shit stupid

0:54

that we have to talk about.

0:57

And we could have come back two

1:00

days after the breaking

1:03

news update, the day after Christmas,

1:06

two days after what? We recorded

1:08

it the day after Christmas, yeah. Yeah, the point

1:10

is we could have come back, but we said

1:12

no, no. Let's

1:15

let the people listen to somebody

1:17

else talk for another couple of

1:19

days. It can't

1:21

get any worse than, and then it

1:23

got worse. Or the path,

1:26

the pay-per-view, and

1:29

the injuries, and

1:31

the fiasco's, and the shenanigans,

1:33

and the accusations that

1:36

have been running rampant and roughshod

1:39

all across the world of, well, I

1:41

can't say the world of professional wrestling. It's

1:44

centered on one particular ground

1:47

zero location. But

1:50

so we're going to, what we're going to do,

1:52

because this is your show, Brian, and far

1:55

be it from me to lead you in any

1:57

way on your program, but I just wanted for

1:59

the people. who thought that we

2:01

were going to be able to sit back and talk

2:04

about our restful holidays and how

2:07

many frolics and belly rubs Harley

2:09

had and how many

2:12

times you sent your children out to

2:14

shovel snow. But instead,

2:16

we're not, we're gonna save that for the

2:19

experience this coming weekend and we're gonna talk

2:21

about all the shit that's gone on since

2:23

we last spoke to

2:25

all of our many listeners out there, the

2:27

Cult of Cornet. There

2:30

are so many things I want to talk to you about, so

2:32

many things the listeners, I can't even get going

2:36

yet, so many things the listeners want to hear you

2:38

comment on but there's too much, I mean I'm looking

2:40

at my list here and as I'm doing that I'm

2:42

thinking of other things that I forgot to add to

2:44

this. Yeah

2:48

it's too much. Thank you. Well thank

2:50

you very much for joining us ladies and gentlemen,

2:52

we'll see you on the experience so long for

2:54

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3:16

So where we last

3:18

left everyone with the Christmas

3:20

special, the Chris Jericho

3:23

Christmas Meltdown edition of the

3:25

show, was Chris

3:27

Jericho decided for whatever reason to

3:30

at four o'clock in the morning on Christmas,

3:33

trying to go after Steven P. New, it

3:37

didn't turn out well for me. And don't

3:39

forget Lucy! Don't forget Lucy! He

3:41

slandered the good name of Lucy

3:44

Guy! He grouped her

3:47

with a with disgusting

3:49

behavior and ill

3:51

intent by William Folly. Yes.

3:55

Well I guess that's where we'll begin,

3:57

where we left off, Chris Jericho,

3:59

because his Christmas meltdown was not

4:01

the end of what was a... it's

4:04

still ongoing, I guess, a disastrous week

4:06

for Chris Jericho. We've

4:09

all heard, ''And something for once we

4:11

had nothing to do with. We

4:14

weren't even there. We were at home,

4:17

not broadcasting.'' I had some fun with it on Twitter and

4:19

to anyone who was offended about me having fun with it

4:21

on Twitter, go fuck yourself. I don't give a shit what

4:23

you think. It's funny because Chris Jericho is

4:25

a boob and a phony and this is... this

4:28

idea that he's in the middle of drama

4:30

that he caused by himself is not surprising.

4:32

We've heard so many stories over the years

4:34

about Chris Jericho's behavior. We've talked about some

4:36

of them on the show. Usually

4:39

it's about we assume

4:41

drunken, we've been

4:43

told and we've read loud screaming

4:47

matches, behavior, fights, music playing

4:49

in hotels, getting kicked

4:51

out of hotels. We've seen

4:53

it... Can

4:56

I just make a comment here since it is

4:58

a new year even though it's your show. What

5:00

about me? Everybody

5:03

thinks I'm a raving lunatic. I'm a

5:05

violent psychopathic individual

5:07

just having turmoil everywhere

5:09

I go. And

5:12

what if I have a yelling contest

5:14

with somebody, I turn

5:17

it into a halfway entertaining story

5:19

on the podcast and tell it myself.

5:22

Jericho ends up on TMZ. He's

5:26

asked to leave by hotel staff,

5:28

escorted out by Jondarmz,

5:32

told by rental car agents.

5:37

I guess you're fucked. I mean,

5:39

hey Derek, there's

5:42

always some kind of goddamn- what the fuck? And

5:44

that's just what's public and even some of the

5:46

stories we've talked about on the show because we've

5:48

heard more. We've heard dozens more. Not

5:51

about women, I just want to clarify. Just about

5:53

behavior. Just about

5:55

he appears to think that he is a

5:57

member of Led Zeppelin in the early 70s.

6:00

And he's also the toughest guy ever because I heard

6:02

a story, man, there's a story I would love to

6:04

tell but someone would have to give me permission about

6:07

him getting knocked out on his own cruise ship. Someone

6:10

he'd mouth off to. It's

6:12

the most incredible fucking story. But

6:14

I can't talk about that today. But my point is, a

6:17

lot of the stories we talked about, even the one

6:19

I think was Ireland or Scotland, I forget where, where

6:21

he got kicked out of the hotel, got into a

6:23

fight, he was walking the streets, whatever it was. We

6:26

heard that when it happened. And we didn't talk about it

6:28

because it was so outlandish. Then we

6:30

started hearing about it from other people, from

6:33

other perspectives, the same incident. So

6:35

there's been all these things. Remember one of

6:38

the friends, the cops that actually fucking showed

6:40

the body camera. That's right. And

6:42

then I said, can you do that? And then we had

6:45

a plethora of listeners right in to

6:47

explain how easy it was for a cop to

6:49

show somebody body camera footage if they want to.

6:52

But again, these were all things about drunken

6:54

behavior, losing the AEW championship as soon

6:56

as he won it, going

6:59

out to drinking, losing the belt right

7:01

away. I mean, just

7:03

all these things, everyone knows what's up. It

7:07

took a turn when Jericho started

7:09

arguing with Stephen P. knew about the idea of

7:11

an NDA. And he stated that he's never signed

7:13

an NDA. He doesn't adhere to the handbook because

7:16

he was there in the room. He

7:18

placed himself in the room at Brawl

7:20

Out and nobody asked him to sign

7:22

an NDA. And he wouldn't do such

7:24

a thing because he's a renegade. You

7:27

know, he's a renegade and he'll never

7:29

be any good. Um,

7:31

and that's what started this. Stephen

7:33

P. knew said, well, you

7:36

have an employee handbook that kind of

7:38

covers the behavior or whatever the

7:40

case. And he, oh, no, I don't. Well, and then we

7:43

sent the picture of the handbook and

7:46

he apparently, he

7:50

just, he has to

7:52

insert himself in a situation that

7:54

he wasn't in to call

7:57

attention to himself for a situation that he

7:59

may or. may not allegedly be

8:01

actually in! Yeah,

8:05

well, again, to go

8:07

back to this, we've never talked about

8:10

stories about Chris doing

8:12

anything to women we haven't really heard that much about

8:14

that. We've heard about him. There's

8:17

always rumors about people doing things to women, but

8:19

nothing against their will, let's just say. The

8:22

story- Well, you know, when you're a rock

8:24

star and a wrestler, you can be a

8:26

Lothario without being a... what

8:29

do they call him over across the pond? A

8:31

sex pest. Well, you gotta be careful with that.

8:33

That's the Joey Ryan defense. I

8:36

was just living a rock star lifestyle and

8:38

just- Well, but actually, you

8:40

know, even if you think that

8:42

Jericho's singing is akin to a

8:45

cat being disemboweled on Broadway, he's

8:48

still more of a rock star than Joey Ryan

8:50

was. That's right.

8:53

Although, he's horrible as a musician and

8:55

he can't sing. But beyond that,

8:57

he was a- I'm more of an

8:59

astronaut than my Aunt Lola, because I've been

9:01

farther off the ground. Go

9:04

ahead. I'm just being silly today

9:06

because these people are grabbing me insane! Nick

9:08

Hausman responded to Chris Jericho's tweet. Nick Hausman,

9:10

to the best of my knowledge, wasn't involved

9:12

in all this, saying, what

9:14

about NDAs you make other people sign? We

9:17

talked about that on the last show. There's

9:20

a mysterious comment. What does that mean? Who,

9:22

as Chris Jericho, asked to sign an NDA, and

9:25

why? This led to

9:27

some people, and I'm gonna pull up the tweets, going

9:30

back to something from 2019, from

9:32

the beginning of AEW, one of the first

9:34

AEW stars signed, was

9:36

someone you may remember, Kylie Rae, I believe was

9:38

her name. Yes, not to be

9:41

confused with there was also a Kylie Rae,

9:43

I think, at one point. I think she

9:45

was on the very first pay-per-view. It was

9:47

real early- it was before Dynamite. It was the early,

9:50

early days of AEW. They weren't yet on TV. And

9:53

despite seemingly

9:56

being presented as one of the

9:58

top women there, she quickly... left

10:00

the company and left wrestling it seemed like for a

10:02

time to reappear and at

10:05

times leave other companies which

10:07

always made people wonder what's going on I

10:09

believe. And if I'm wrong

10:11

I apologize but I believe she has spoken in the past or

10:13

at least on social media written

10:15

about struggles with mental health

10:18

which is certainly something you feel

10:20

bad when you hear about you hope someone deals with it. And

10:23

also something that you don't need in

10:26

the wrestling business so if she

10:29

did leave wrestling and I don't know if she's

10:32

wrestling now but she's as you mentioned she left

10:34

a couple of companies probably to deal with that

10:36

because you can't do both at once. Let's

10:39

face it. So this

10:41

Jericho stuff caused people to go to

10:44

this Kylie Rae stuff. Apparently

10:46

back in 2019 when

10:48

things happened at

10:50

least amongst wrestling insiders there were rumors

10:54

that something may have happened. Now

10:56

she has not said anything. The

10:58

only thing I've seen from her was

11:00

she gave a star a... I guess not a

11:02

star heart. Not

11:05

a star heart or whatever the

11:07

Twitter like is. Like a happy

11:09

heart emoji

11:11

thing. She's done

11:13

that to a couple of the things about this. But

11:16

let me go to the actual Twitter order

11:19

of events. Nick Hausman went

11:21

on his show which he has and he

11:23

said that there are a lot

11:25

of stories about Chris Jericho that will find

11:28

their way out over time and that

11:30

people when they're ready to tell

11:32

those stories they will and then

11:35

he compares Jericho to Harvey Weinstein. Harvey

11:38

Weinstein for those who... That was this physical

11:40

appearance or behavior? Because I mean Chris has

11:43

put on a few pounds but come on.

11:45

Again I think there needs to be some

11:47

clarity or is it about just the idea

11:49

of someone powerful who's brought down. Harvey Weinstein

11:52

specifically raped a bunch

11:54

of women. Sometimes in their own home

11:56

but probably famously notoriously

12:00

in his hotel room. He would get them to come back

12:02

to his hotel room by whatever

12:04

means necessary and then assault them.

12:07

We're not saying that. I just want to say this right now.

12:10

Nick Hausmann said it. We're talking about it. That

12:12

sounds like it does sound even if... I

12:15

don't think anybody could accuse us of being

12:17

Jericho's press agents but that does sound a

12:19

little extreme. But that's... I just

12:22

want to make sure whatever comes out comes out. I'm

12:25

not the one saying Jericho's Harvey

12:27

Weinstein. I don't know it

12:29

for a fact but a lot of people saying it.

12:31

What are you doing? Just go out and tell... What

12:34

does what did what did Nick Hausmann have to say

12:36

now that you've credited or blamed him whichever one it

12:38

was? Well I'm not sure what his update on what

12:40

he said is but then after that Jim a tweet

12:42

went out. I don't know

12:44

who this account is. It's blurred now here in this

12:47

image I have. So here's the deal.

12:50

You don't quit the hottest fed going

12:52

today, AEW, without reason. I

12:55

have it from people in the know

12:58

that Kylie was asked to go to Chris

13:00

Jericho's room with the understanding

13:02

that others would be there. When

13:04

she got there it was just him.

13:07

He made a pass at her. No

13:10

other details are given. That says that

13:12

in parentheses by the way. And she freaked

13:14

out. So again

13:17

don't know where that's

13:19

coming from but that was tweeted out and it

13:21

went everywhere. Chris Jericho was trending

13:24

I think it was like over 40,000

13:26

tweets about this. So I mean

13:29

it was everything. Well he finally got the attention he's

13:31

been looking for. Then apparently...

13:33

Hold on I gotta... These

13:35

are all the tweets in order including all my tweets making

13:37

fun of Jericho so I gotta go past this. Well

13:43

I guess that's it. Now I'm just

13:45

seeing other people are tweeting. Kylie Rae

13:47

hearted one of the articles about this

13:49

and Nick Houseman hearted that. So now

13:52

this story starts going around.

13:54

I've really never heard

13:57

those fucking English words put together in that

13:59

order. whole thing is just ridiculous,

14:01

the way it came out, the way it's

14:03

happening. Again, every party

14:05

involved could end this real quick by saying

14:07

it did or didn't happen, or there is

14:09

something or there isn't something. Instead... Well, but

14:12

no, not every

14:14

party, because if poor old

14:16

Kylie Rae, as

14:18

the story goes, and we'll talk

14:20

about this, has signed an NDA

14:24

in order to secure her release

14:26

from AEW, because that's part of

14:28

the story, the rumor,

14:30

whatever you want to call it, then

14:33

she can't say anything. That's why

14:35

she can only reply

14:38

with little smiley hearts or whatever the

14:40

fuck, and maybe, I don't know, chocolate

14:42

covered donuts, and whatever else they send

14:44

out these days. But

14:48

that's the issue now, is that has

14:50

Jericho trying to be the renegade, trying

14:53

to be the

14:55

macho guy, I don't sign

14:57

NDAs, has

14:59

that suddenly pissed off enough people

15:01

who knows that he has signed

15:03

an NDA at least, that

15:05

they've decided to bring this to the

15:07

public forum and now we're

15:09

all debating about this, and Jericho's about as

15:12

popular as crotch rot in certain circles. Now,

15:15

the tweet I read you before, I believe it doesn't

15:17

have the time and date, I think that may have

15:19

been from 2019 originally. Another

15:22

tweet went out December 30th this year, 5.55pm

15:25

from an account JohnAFerris. No

15:28

one knows who this guy is, so we don't know what. Not

15:31

related to Wayne, not related to Wayne that

15:33

we know of, but again, something that it's

15:36

an account, appears to be talking

15:38

about this, and it's spread like wildfire on

15:40

Twitter. She was invited

15:42

into Chris Jericho's locker room, thinking

15:45

that there were other people there, then

15:47

he tried to make his advances and she went straight

15:49

to Tony, and he was afraid that

15:51

he would lose the TV deal because Chris

15:54

Jericho was his only star at the

15:56

time, NDA to

15:58

be released. So

16:01

that right there is, again, we don't know

16:03

who this is and as Tony would say,

16:05

we'll play some audio later during the press scrum,

16:07

it's hard to comment on rumors

16:09

that just pop up from sources you don't

16:11

even know where this is coming from. Unless

16:14

it's true. Well, yeah, that's

16:16

the point. I mean, it's

16:19

easy to comment on something

16:21

that's bullshit by

16:24

saying it's bullshit. It's

16:26

harder or more complicated to say,

16:28

to comment when there's

16:30

something to it or some element of

16:33

truth but the whole story is not

16:35

known whether it'd be beneficial to you

16:37

or prejudicial to you.

16:39

It doesn't matter because then you're spending

16:42

time going down the road telling

16:44

a 20-minute fucking story and everybody's

16:47

skidmark shorts

16:49

out in public. So

16:52

I have been a... I have

16:54

to make dinner for you

16:56

and the children,

16:59

the infamous W.C. Fields

17:01

line. But people tried

17:03

to fucking malign me and Stacy and

17:05

I came immediately out and instead of

17:08

saying, well, I can't comment on unfounded

17:10

rumors, I said that's a big bunch

17:12

of fucking bullshit and here's why. And

17:14

speaking of that, here's who the people

17:17

are saying it and here's what's wrong with them.

17:20

But if there's something that's actually to

17:23

it and we can

17:25

talk about this, again, I'm not Jericho's press

17:27

agent but you

17:30

can't depend on

17:33

logical critical

17:35

thinking in situations that involve

17:37

Tony Khan. Because

17:42

as we have noted, Tony

17:44

is NDA happy simply

17:47

because it... Again, I'm

17:50

not picking a side in this

17:52

right now. We'll examine all sides of it. But

17:55

if this girl runs up to Tony Khan and

17:57

she's freaking out because if she has had a

18:00

issues in the past, this may not have

18:02

helped. Somebody may

18:05

have misread the room

18:07

and instead, oh Jesus Christ,

18:09

that was the point where she,

18:12

you've gone too far, I'm freaking out, I gotta go,

18:14

I don't want to be here with this guy, oh

18:16

God! Then, normally

18:19

because she's done it a

18:21

couple of other times, she's

18:23

quit other promotions. I'm

18:25

not saying there's anything bad with that, I've done it a

18:28

few times myself. But when

18:30

you quit a normal wrestling promotion, they say,

18:32

well sorry you feel that way, see you

18:34

down the road, right? But with Tony, it's,

18:36

oh my God! I'll pay

18:38

you the rest of your contract and maybe I'll

18:41

give you something else and do you have a

18:43

new car or just sign an

18:45

NDA so you don't say anything about,

18:48

again, whether freaking out about the TV

18:50

deal or freaking out about whatever or

18:53

freaking out because somebody would say something

18:55

bad about his baby wrestling promotion. And

18:58

now, four years later, a lot of people have

19:01

but it was brand new back then but you

19:04

know Tony. He's not

19:06

confrontational. Even if

19:08

they did think it was a big

19:10

bunch of bullshit and this whole thing's

19:12

fucking juvenile high school, whatever. Even

19:15

if they thought that or if there was

19:17

something fucking to it, they especially but Tony

19:19

would go, oh shit, just

19:21

don't say to be my friend, here's money

19:24

and don't

19:26

say anything bad because with Tony, it

19:29

can't be bad. He never

19:31

says anything. There's never a

19:33

bad match. Like sometimes the cake

19:35

just doesn't rise. There's never a

19:37

bad show. There's never a bad

19:39

guy. There's never, it's

19:41

always great because

19:45

that's Tony he freaks

19:47

out if it's otherwise. That's why the

19:49

change in his appearance over the last

19:51

four years. He's becoming the

19:53

son of the wolfman in front of our eyes so

19:56

I can believe that if she

19:59

went straight to him. that

20:01

he probably goddamn asked her, please just sign

20:04

something, I'll give you anything you want. I

20:08

can believe that. Can

20:10

you not? I absolutely can believe if

20:12

something did happen at that specific period of time

20:14

where he doesn't have TV yet. He has a

20:17

deal, but he's not on the air. And I

20:20

don't even know if he had a signed deal. But

20:23

shit could fall apart quick, especially

20:25

if your top star is being accused of anything. Yeah.

20:28

And Chris Jericho, for anyone who loved Omega and

20:30

the Bucks, or even Cody

20:32

at that time, Jericho was the biggest star in

20:34

AEW when it launched, period. Well, remember,

20:38

for the first six weeks when we were

20:40

enjoying what he was doing, we were saying

20:42

that he's goddamn realizes he's in the land

20:45

of Nod and he's just hot

20:47

dogging and taking over the show because he can. Well,

20:51

this Twitter account that

20:54

put that other Jericho thing out there, I gotta

20:56

say, they also put out some stuff about Don

20:58

Callis and Scarlett Bordeaux. It

21:01

makes you think this accounts someone who may know some stuff. I

21:03

have to say that. So,

21:06

all of this is going on. Chris

21:08

Jericho radio silent on Twitter. Tony

21:11

Khan not a word about this anywhere. The

21:14

pay-per-view is coming up that day. And

21:18

we're gonna review it later on, but

21:21

the story continued because of the reaction Chris

21:23

Jericho got from the Long Island audience. And

21:26

what that says now about Dynamite

21:28

that's about to come up and everything else going forward,

21:31

because Tony Khan, and we're gonna play this later, whiffed

21:34

three times. Three chances

21:37

to clear Chris Jericho, to

21:39

say it's not true, to say there's nothing

21:41

there, to say it's ridiculous

21:43

but it's not true. Nothing. Three

21:45

chances to whiff are not media scrum. And

21:48

now the story's bigger, but Chris

21:51

Jericho's reaction to that pay-per-view. That's

21:53

the thing is that we

21:56

talked about it a couple weeks ago. I can't remember

21:58

in the context which program. but

22:00

the AEW audience, because

22:03

it is smaller and more insular,

22:07

if you're really devoted and

22:09

like that kind

22:11

of wrestling, yes you are a

22:13

smaller, more insular group, but

22:16

they're all online, they're all on the Internet,

22:18

where that's why WWE has larger numbers

22:20

because they get the people that have

22:23

actual other

22:25

things to do than live and

22:27

die with what goes on on

22:29

Twitter amongst their

22:31

favorite wrestlers or our

22:34

audience is more just tell us when somebody

22:36

actually punches somebody for fucking real, right? But

22:39

the smaller audience

22:42

and that's gonna spread on

22:44

the Internet, the tweets, the

22:46

wrestling sites picking it up and

22:49

you've already got a situation where Tony

22:52

has lost such control of

22:54

his... the

22:56

entire roster as far as creative where

23:00

all of his heels are the most popular

23:03

wrestlers in a company and the baby

23:05

faces look like complete morons and

23:08

then the match

23:11

that he originally had scheduled Jericho

23:14

was thrown into chaos when Kenny

23:17

had problems with his guts and

23:20

then they shoot a last-minute angle

23:23

on TV the night I believe

23:25

before this whole thing

23:27

exploded on Twitter and there's

23:29

Jericho in an eight-man tag team

23:31

match with a variety

23:34

of people that are both overstaying

23:36

and not over almost everybody

23:38

else and

23:42

the... I've never seen... we've

23:45

seen the fans like in Puerto

23:48

Rico right when they decided

23:50

in the girls match that time we're gonna

23:52

like who was it goddamn it I forgot

23:54

now who

23:56

was it the fans loved on the Puerto Rican

23:58

pay-per-view yeah EOSCHI,

24:01

EOSCHI, right? Even though she's the heel

24:03

and it ain't supposed to be that

24:05

way, whatever, we just love her. And

24:09

you've seen that, the bizarro world

24:11

as they used to call it,

24:13

response in Canada and the United

24:15

States, when the Hart Foundation doing a thing

24:18

with DX, blah, blah, blah. But

24:20

I've never seen a match

24:23

where there were so many

24:25

swings of audience approval or

24:27

disapproval when the same team

24:29

was on top. They

24:32

didn't give a fuck about, I had to

24:35

take notes. Hold on, now you've scared

24:37

me into this. Match is a mess. That's got

24:39

to be it. Yes. That's

24:42

going to, yeah, that's going to be

24:44

the fucking match. It was Sting and

24:46

Jericho and Darby Allen and Sammy Guevara

24:50

against Ricky Starks and Big Bill

24:52

and Willie Hobbs and our friend

24:54

Take A Shit with

24:57

Don Fallis. And

25:00

they love Sting and they knew they were

25:02

seeing Sting for the last time in Nassau

25:04

Coliseum in New York and they actually had

25:07

a house for once. So

25:09

everything Sting did from breathing on up,

25:12

they roared for. And

25:15

they liked Darby even though he

25:17

hadn't done that much lately and he's off to climb

25:19

a mountain soon or whatever the fuck. And

25:22

Sammy, they just didn't give a shit. Every

25:24

once in a while he'd catch a stray

25:27

boo, but otherwise he

25:29

could have set himself on fire literally and

25:32

I don't think they'd have cared. How many times has he

25:34

turned back and forth? And

25:37

they love Starks and they love Hobbs. Big

25:41

Bill gets some ooze when he throws a

25:43

little guy around and I

25:46

think they would like Take more

25:48

if they do anything with him and he's kind

25:50

of got a little heat though because he's with

25:53

Fallis who nobody likes. But

25:55

the point is Jericho,

25:59

they did. sing his song. When

26:02

he came out, there was a

26:04

significant chorus of Judas, right? And

26:07

then as soon as the music went down, you

26:11

saw the guy across from the

26:13

hard camera with the sign that

26:15

said, world's NDA. And

26:18

then there was the booze would

26:20

start. There was

26:22

another sign, Jera, go away. Yeah.

26:25

Yeah. But

26:28

then they do all the

26:30

rest of the entrances, right? Of everybody and

26:32

staying gets them. Of course, staying is the

26:34

most popular guy there. He's 65 years old.

26:37

He's retiring in eight weeks. So

26:41

it basically every time

26:43

that Jericho would

26:46

get in and do anything.

26:49

They would boo. And

26:52

I mean, it would got to be loud, but

26:54

it did grew on itself, you know, over the course

26:56

of the thing, and

26:59

they had a couple of spots where somebody

27:02

on Twitter said now, instead of less sex

27:04

gods, they're less sex pass, but

27:07

Jericho and Sammy would do his spinoroonie

27:09

and Jericho would do his cheesy grin

27:11

pose. And I

27:14

was afraid of snipers at that. People

27:16

are like, fuck you. And

27:20

then again, it would, when they would be,

27:23

when they'd be doing a four way or more, since

27:25

it was an eight man tag, the

27:28

people would, at one point they were

27:30

booing Sting who had a scorpion death

27:32

lock on somebody because Jericho got a

27:34

scorpion or a walls next to Sting

27:37

and they're a fuck you. It,

27:40

it was surreal. They're cheering the heels when

27:43

they're beating up a couple members of the

27:45

team. But then another couple of members of

27:47

the team started doing something and they're cheering

27:49

that except if they

27:51

like everybody, they just kind of sat there and

27:53

oohed if it looked like somebody broke their fucking

27:55

neck and

27:58

the match. completely apart.

28:00

It was sloppy. There were

28:03

people fucking. And

28:05

then when, when Sting made

28:07

a comeback, that got him, right? A

28:10

sloppy comeback by a fucking

28:12

senior citizen. Cause he

28:15

was the only star in the match is

28:18

what got him. But then Jericho

28:20

came in to help the comeback and they

28:22

started booing and chanting Kylie Rae and NDA.

28:26

And I

28:29

mean, we will review the match later on,

28:31

but good Lord. I

28:34

don't. So

28:37

they basically booed everything that he

28:40

did, even though he was on

28:42

a babyface team, it caused Sting to get booed. Yes.

28:45

I mean, it was incredible. Ricky starts getting the

28:47

finger. This came the finger and tagged

28:49

out. I

28:51

made him a babyface. This

28:54

is a disaster and they could have

28:56

put it to bed at any point. All

28:58

Tony Khan has to say. We've

29:02

never had any complaints from talent about Chris Jericho. We've

29:04

never had complaints about Chris Jericho's

29:06

behavior. There are no NDAs. It's

29:08

ridiculous. There

29:10

are no NDAs in place that Chris Jericho

29:12

is sexually assaulting or abusing or harassing anyone. They

29:16

haven't said any of that. Real quick, Jim. Let

29:19

me play you this. Let me play you this. This

29:22

is from 2019. Tony

29:25

Khan at a media scrum when he was still standing

29:27

up and wearing a suit. Talking

29:30

about Kylie Rae. Let's go to this. Any

29:32

update on the status of Kylie Rae? She's been

29:34

a little bit absent. She's no longer

29:36

with us. We had so many things going into, so

29:38

many announcements going into the role, but she asked

29:40

for a release and we granted it. So she

29:43

called me and asked if she could be released from

29:46

a contract and it was pretty simple. I said, yeah.

29:48

And I asked her if everything was okay. And she

29:50

said, yeah, she didn't want to be

29:52

able to company anymore. And we talked about it and it

29:54

was very simple. And so,

29:56

yeah, she's not on a roster. Seemed

29:59

amicable. Super amicable. Well, obviously very nice

30:01

person who else has ever gotten

30:03

their release from just saying I don't want to be here

30:05

anymore Andrade tried that for two years Andrade

30:09

was punching people I

30:15

mean I

30:17

don't remember was she expected to

30:20

be like an instrumental part of

30:22

the roster like a Cargill level

30:25

Superstar or was it just you

30:27

know again hot babyface? For

30:30

the babyface women I think at the start Well,

30:32

but I think I've

30:35

seen her a couple times. I don't know if I'd

30:37

a picture for that spot Maybe they had buyer's remorse.

30:39

I'm not sure they didn't have too much again the

30:41

women's division the problems today I'll start from what

30:44

it was built upon. It was Britt Baker who

30:46

wasn't ready for prime time There

30:48

weren't that many top flight

30:51

available women But

30:53

they got the best ones that were available on the

30:55

independent scene well, but

30:57

nevertheless so Yes

31:01

again, we must say some

31:04

Incident occurred and

31:06

there is probably at least some grain of

31:08

truth in we don't know that we can't

31:11

say any of that Well,

31:13

we there's some grain of truth

31:15

in the that Kylie Rae asked

31:17

for her release and it was

31:19

granted easily and Whether

31:22

that becomes that maybe they figured

31:24

out well, maybe she ain't right

31:26

for the business which she apparently

31:28

was not and quit

31:31

a couple of other places or Something

31:35

more insidious went on which we have

31:37

no proof of Yeah, what

31:39

if she quit in other places because you can't

31:41

get the visual of a fucking fat Chris Jericho

31:43

dropping his leather trousers Oh, wait

31:46

a minute. Seriously. What happened anything about

31:48

any dropping of trout? I'm just saying

31:50

if something happened there who's the same

31:52

that's not what caused her not to

31:54

want to be in various environments Chris

31:56

Jericho is friend. Well, we're just friends

31:58

run fucking impact. I mean his Oh,

32:01

for heaven's sake, but at the same point,

32:03

if somebody drops their trousers on Broadway, are

32:05

you gonna be afraid to walk across the

32:07

street over in fucking San Diego? Let me

32:10

present the scenario. Just all streets? Let

32:12

me present the scenario. I'm not saying this happened.

32:14

I'm saying- I'm saying here's a scenario

32:16

where I could see this happening. She's

32:19

hanging out with everyone to have it a good time.

32:21

It's AEW. They're just getting things going. Everyone is in

32:23

a positive spirit. Greatest locker room we've ever been in.

32:27

She gets to know Chris Jericho a little. Someone

32:29

she's watched on TV, admired. He's a great wrestler.

32:33

He's very nice to her. Says, hey, we're

32:35

all gonna go back and talk about something. We're all gonna go

32:37

and, you know, just go over stuff. She goes in

32:39

there and he makes a pass at her. Whatever

32:41

it is, it instantly

32:43

changed whatever she thought. And,

32:46

again, different people deal with different things. And again, we

32:48

don't know if he dropped his pants. We

32:51

don't know if he started singing, which is even worse. Oh

32:53

my God. Now, well, now I'm hot. Maybe

32:55

he started singing with Mega on Guitar. Just

32:58

the worst band of all time. We

33:00

don't know what happened. But it

33:02

isn't crazy to think that if something did happen,

33:05

it would cause someone who stayed in that same industry

33:08

to have problems going

33:10

forward. I don't think that's outrageous. I

33:16

would have to say then that

33:20

you need to not be a public

33:24

personality in the big time world

33:26

of celebrity sports or entertainment. Whatever

33:28

this field falls into

33:31

these days. Unless

33:34

there was some type of violence

33:36

and fucking horror and goddamn whatever

33:38

the fuck, I

33:41

would need to have a

33:43

bigger level of happening

33:45

to say he fucking made me uncomfortable, but

33:47

he didn't assault me and I left and

33:49

now I don't want to work anywhere in

33:52

this same industry. You know, single

33:54

guys want to get laid. And

33:56

sometimes guys in bad marriages also want to do

33:58

the same thing. But

34:01

should someone in Chris Jericho's position, at

34:03

that point I guess approaching 50, biggest

34:06

star in AEW coming off years of

34:08

WWE TV, should someone

34:10

in that position be

34:12

hitting on any of the younger female

34:14

talent? No, no,

34:17

first of all, no, because

34:21

again, Tony

34:25

was counting on Jericho to

34:28

be the name that sold his

34:30

TV show so that he could

34:32

get his friend's attention basically by

34:34

putting them on the card also.

34:37

So a lot was riding on him,

34:39

and why does he want to start

34:41

that there?

34:44

They're working together.

34:46

Don't make it awkward, for fuck's

34:48

sake. And that's,

34:50

again, I'm sure

34:53

a waiter, waitress at Hooters

34:56

would know who Chris Jericho was,

34:58

or a fucking whoever he

35:00

might run into. I'm not saying don't

35:03

fuck around. I'm

35:05

just saying don't fuck around with this

35:07

fucking girl that's working in a brand

35:09

new company that you're the big star

35:11

of. And here's – and here, to be honest,

35:13

here's something else. This

35:16

is un – you

35:18

can't draw a parallel to the territory

35:20

days or to the history of wrestling

35:22

with this situation

35:24

we've got now. There

35:27

was sexual harassment in the locker

35:29

room because there was none, because

35:32

there were not full-time girls on

35:35

the roster. And there

35:38

were – you know, there were

35:41

a lot more women then at the

35:43

matches that would love to be harassed

35:45

in some cases by the boys, and

35:48

came for that specific reason. So harassment

35:51

was not necessary to begin with, and

35:54

now there's – the

35:56

women seem to be drugged to

35:58

the matches by their boyfriend. boyfriends

36:00

if they have them or whatever these days. And

36:05

the locker room is Peyton

36:07

Place, is fucking chaos with

36:09

all the relationships coming and

36:11

going and whatever in every

36:13

company. It's insane. Two

36:16

questions, two last questions about all this and we'll

36:18

move on. If any of this

36:20

is true, if

36:22

Chris Jericho was

36:24

involved in harassing anyone in

36:27

the early days of AEW and

36:29

Tony Khan was aware of it and

36:32

Tony Khan gave talent

36:34

a release in exchange

36:36

for an NDA to

36:38

protect his company and his top talent

36:40

from sexual harassment charges

36:42

or a complaint or anything

36:45

else, how

36:47

problematic is that going to be for Tony Khan if

36:49

that gets out? If

36:51

we find out all this is true and

36:54

Tony Khan's run his mouth a lot about

36:56

Vince, who's a

36:58

dirty pervert, about

37:01

safety, about all these different things, Tony Khan's

37:03

always out there, he loves this attention. But

37:06

if Tony Khan secured an NDA

37:09

in exchange for letting a woman who

37:11

was harassed leave the company, how's he going

37:13

to get past that? Again,

37:17

without knowing the story, the question

37:20

is, there

37:23

is a defense for it if he

37:26

was proactive with the NDA saying, well,

37:28

just sign this and do this. She's

37:30

just upset. There

37:33

was no dropping of trou, there was

37:35

uncomfortableness or whatever the fuck of some

37:38

minor level. Tony

37:40

jumps the gun, the

37:42

young lady's frazzled at that point but

37:44

apparently now sending out smiley faces about

37:46

people in support of her or whatever.

37:48

Well, a heart. Again, it was a

37:51

heart, not a smiley face. Okay,

37:53

whatever the case. If

37:56

Warner Brothers Discovery, which

37:58

I guess as of this moment, it right now

38:00

are still their network. We'll wait

38:02

to hear news on that. And partner. But

38:06

if they said, Tony, what's up? Well, she

38:08

got offended because he did the, and I

38:10

just said, all right, God

38:13

damn it, maybe make a public statement,

38:16

clear it up then or otherwise fine.

38:18

But if they found out, holy shit,

38:21

he brought her into the room and there were

38:23

shackles on the wall and fucking God damn, and

38:26

I mean some egregious, you

38:29

know, offense that went

38:32

way too far, then you're probably

38:34

fucked. Again, imagine a fat naked

38:36

drunk Gerard Deppardu coming at you.

38:41

It's a frightening sight. One last question about this.

38:43

But you know what? And here's the thing again,

38:47

business has changed and some people

38:50

don't necessarily or not perfectly

38:53

suited for the entertainment business or

38:55

the big time celebrity

38:57

business, if

38:59

you to come at miss Linda, drunk and

39:01

naked, she did just kicked you in the

39:04

fucking balls and probably fucking ripped him off,

39:06

put him in her purse. You

39:08

can't say that someone's not ready

39:10

for it's one thing if

39:12

they're just quitting place, another thing if it's

39:14

because they were sexually harassed by a top.

39:16

So what I'm saying to you

39:18

is, is that in the,

39:21

in the previous territory days, the

39:25

women, the girls, where they

39:27

were part of the boys, right? They were

39:29

on the roster, but they had to get used to fucking

39:32

all kinds of horrible sites, not even

39:34

directed at them, just accidentally on the

39:36

road, whatever the fuck. It, it, it

39:39

has become a, a

39:42

bigger source of contention as

39:45

the, the, honestly, people

39:47

get into business that don't understand

39:50

what they're going to be involved in, in the

39:52

business. I'm not saying she

39:54

should be harassed, but if just the site

39:57

of Chris Jericho bloated and.

40:00

But we don't know. So he may be. We don't

40:02

know. No, I was about to say would. If just

40:04

the sight of him naked

40:07

would have driven her out of the

40:09

entire industry, she needs

40:11

to be a more private person. But

40:14

again, we don't know. I

40:16

mean again, that's why I'm saying he

40:18

could have grabbed her. We don't know.

40:21

Well, if it got physical, I hate

40:23

the idea of blaming her in any

40:25

way for Chris Jericho possibly of doing

40:27

something inappropriate. Well, you're the one that's

40:29

talking about Gerard Depardo's

40:31

nakedness or whatever. Because I don't think she would

40:34

have quit. Again,

40:36

here's the problem. And

40:38

this is a big problem because Tony couldn't say

40:40

this isn't true and because Jericho started all this,

40:42

we're having this long conversation. We know

40:45

nothing. Nobody knows anything.

40:47

No one's saying anything. And it's

40:49

causing everyone to just come up

40:51

with ideas and opine on this.

40:54

Opine! That's what we're doing. We're

40:56

opining. We're opining. We're opining that

40:58

before we can determine

41:01

whether he's completely fucked or whether it's one

41:04

of those goddamn deals and Tony just went

41:06

off half cock and everybody signed everything, we

41:09

can't tell exactly who should

41:12

be crucified or who is totally

41:14

fucked. Jim, a lot of wrestlers

41:16

have done what they could. We brought up

41:18

Andrade earlier to secure their release from the

41:20

company. During

41:23

Chris Jericho's Twitter fight with Steven P. New

41:25

and how unnecessary it was and the damage

41:27

it caused, do you think

41:29

in any way this could be part

41:31

of a big plan for Chris

41:33

Jericho to secure his release to

41:35

join Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn's new

41:38

Wrestle Raspmet promotion? And

41:42

John Lauriniitis could book it. Yeah, that's right. Head

41:44

of HR, John Lauriniitis. Head of HR. I

41:47

say, is that what they call them

41:49

these days? There used

41:51

to be a J in it when I was a bit...

41:53

Let me ask you about this. No, let me ask you

41:56

a question. Did Tony

41:58

Khan not say? the

42:00

course of, I think we're going to review the media

42:04

audio later on, but

42:07

he's talking about that they're

42:09

the safest wrestling promotion. And,

42:14

I mean, do you want to break that

42:16

down now or should we save it for

42:18

the audio? But in what fashion does he

42:21

even imagine that? Let's

42:24

save it for the audio because there's a lot to

42:26

still go over, but you're right, it's ridiculous. It's a

42:28

ridiculous comment and again it was the worst pay-per-view AEW's

42:30

ever had, even their die-hard fans have said that, everything

42:33

was great. Everything was great, the

42:35

content of the classics great, I'm

42:37

great, Chris

42:39

Jericho is great. Hey! Hey

42:42

what? My dinger,

42:45

you got a dinger? What

42:49

are you talking about? Alright.

42:54

You

42:58

didn't expect any of this did you? Oh my

43:00

god, you got one! That's

43:03

right. Bastard. I don't have

43:05

one, I have two. Listen to this one,

43:08

hold on. Oh! Oh

43:13

geez. Oh,

43:15

I'm used to that. Sounds

43:21

like Kentucky. Hey!

43:24

Alright, well. That sounds like New

43:27

Jersey. We will definitely go through

43:29

all the Tony Todd audio a

43:31

little bit later. Well but anyway,

43:33

the bottom line of the whole thing is,

43:38

Jericho brought

43:40

attention on something

43:44

by that, what do they

43:46

call him? An unforced error

43:48

or an

43:50

own goal? Self-own. Self-own?

43:53

He just had

43:55

to, he could still

43:57

have slandered Steven P. New and

43:59

poor old Lucy. steal just in

44:01

a different way, not including I've

44:03

never signed an NDA. And

44:07

then all these people wouldn't have been really

44:10

chiming in with, well, maybe you have

44:12

and bring this whole thing into question.

44:15

And then Tony Khan would not have

44:17

had to comment on it, which leads

44:19

to disaster in every single

44:22

incident because Tony does

44:24

not know how to comment on shit. Tony

44:27

Khan could not, if Tony

44:30

can't comment on it, he can't just

44:32

say I took a shit. He

44:34

said, oh my God, my bell movement was, it

44:36

was so great. And I've never

44:38

had my sphincter open that far before. I

44:41

mean, it's- Hey, you better save that battery

44:44

for the review later. Well, you got one

44:46

now. We can tag, there's a two second

44:48

fucking recharge on mine and I can't keep

44:50

up with Tony. Like,

44:52

truck, if I try to fucking mute

44:55

the audio for the cursing on AEW

44:57

on TBS, you can't fucking press the

45:00

button that fast. Well, again,

45:02

we will talk about the Tony Khan media

45:04

scrum audio both before and after the pay-per-view

45:06

later on in the show. But Jim, let's

45:08

have a quick little aside before we get to another one

45:10

of the big topics here. News

45:13

breaking as we are recording. What

45:16

website is this? I'm sorry,

45:18

the ropes reporting. Coda Ibushi

45:20

rushed to hospital following double ankle

45:22

injury. Don't count me the

45:24

one. What? Double ankle injury. I've

45:27

never heard of that before. A double angle. I

45:29

thought, what, they did two angles

45:32

with even one day? Coda- Wait

45:35

a minute. Wait a minute. Now, come on now.

45:37

There's something, this is linked. Because

45:39

something happened with Kenny's

45:42

bowels and intestines and

45:46

now you're telling me that fucking Ibushi has

45:48

bad ankles. Do you think that they got

45:50

mad at each other and Ibushi broke both

45:52

of his feet off in Kenny's ass? No,

45:55

I don't think it's that because Coda Ibushi was

45:57

wrestling apparently. He reportedly injured both of his feet.

46:00

ankles while headlining a pro wrestling

46:02

Noah event. How do you hurt

46:04

both ankles? Did he jump off

46:06

the fucking roof or something? Japanese

46:09

sports outlet Sports Hochi reports

46:11

that early in his main event match with Marafuji

46:14

at pro wrestling Noah's the Yeet... excuse me,

46:16

the New Year 2024. The Yeet?

46:19

The Yeet? The New Year 2024! Did

46:22

somebody yeet Ibushi? Ibushi

46:24

suffered an injury to both his ankles. He

46:26

continued to wrestle, however, eventually beating

46:29

Marafuji in over 30 minutes. What

46:32

was he doing? He wasn't hopping on his

46:34

fucking head or walking on his hands? Have

46:36

you broken both your fucking ankles? How do

46:38

you continue the match? For 33 minutes. Oh

46:42

good lord, he was crawling on his

46:44

belly like a reptile! Ibushi is reported

46:46

to have walked to the backstage area

46:48

under his own power, but

46:51

is said to have been in so much severe

46:53

pain that he could not provide any backstage comments.

46:56

Shortly after he called himself an ambulance and was

46:58

taken to the hospital in Tokyo... He called himself

47:01

and they wouldn't even get on the phone for

47:03

him? He said, oh god, I gotta go to

47:05

the hospital, here, here's your fucking phone! They

47:08

are awaiting... Kinda goddamn sloppy shop is

47:10

that over there? They are awaiting diagnosis

47:12

from the hospital. Tony Khan recently announced

47:14

that they signed code Ibushi who looked

47:16

horrible in every appearance he's had in

47:18

AEW in the last year. And

47:21

depending on how this story goes, may not be

47:23

wrestling anytime soon. What a disaster.

47:26

Everyone they sign! Everyone they sign goes

47:28

down! But hold on now, hold

47:30

on now. Okay,

47:33

he hurt himself somehow. It's

47:36

not mentioned in the

47:38

article, he hurt both ankles at

47:40

the same time apparently. One

47:44

would think that would be a

47:46

real pisser, as Captain Lou would say, to

47:48

hurt your first ankle and then your second

47:50

ankle in the same match at different times,

47:52

but nevertheless, he guts it

47:54

out, kudos to him, and finishes

47:57

the match so I don't think they can be

47:59

broken. Um,

48:01

but then he's in such severe

48:03

pain that he

48:05

wants to go to the hospital. Why did he walk

48:07

to the back under his own power? Wouldn't you, after

48:10

you'd finished the match, when he's okay,

48:12

I can sell now. It

48:14

makes a bit, it's good for the business. Like they

48:17

used to say, when you'd get busted open, hard way,

48:19

it's good for the, it's good for the business. Carry

48:21

me out of here. Haul

48:23

me out of this motherfucker. But

48:26

he walks to the back and then he sits down.

48:28

He says, you know, I can't do that interview. Instead,

48:30

hand me my phone. I'm

48:32

calling my own ambulance. What

48:37

the fuck is going on with these people?

48:39

Jim, I've sent you an email with a

48:42

link that has a few different videos in it

48:44

to what apparently is Konebushi possibly getting hurt in

48:46

the match and a couple of

48:48

the other moments from the match or after the

48:51

match where he couldn't even stand up. Oh, I've

48:53

got that. Now that you've rambled on, I've gotten

48:55

the link. I'm clicking on said

48:58

link Kodebushi, taken to

49:00

hospital. Uh,

49:03

so it's a lot. Oh, oh,

49:05

oh, here we go. It's still popping up.

49:07

See, I'm a slow loader. Cause I got

49:09

the spectrum, you know, the spectrum cable and

49:12

the internet and it's slower than

49:14

molasses in January is mama cornet. You

49:16

say, okay, is the first one is

49:19

the one that I should watch. Right? The

49:21

first one, it appears to be maybe where he got hurt. Well,

49:25

I'm going to, I'm going to click on, on

49:27

that son of a bitch right now and see

49:31

what he's going to do that he could

49:33

potentially be damaged

49:35

a moonsault off the second

49:38

turnbuckle onto

49:40

the guy on the floor. And he

49:42

lands right on his feet and grabs

49:44

his, as I'm

49:47

turning myself, grabs his right ankle and

49:49

then the clip cuts out. So

49:51

yeah, that definitely looked like you could

49:54

damage yourself on that. Again,

49:56

he just

49:58

runs down the. He

50:02

almost gets to the second turn and then makes

50:04

it and then does the moonsault, lands on the

50:06

floor on his feet and grabs his right ankle.

50:09

Well, that was the first video. The second one appears to

50:11

show the finish. Well,

50:13

now he should be limping considerably at

50:15

this point, but he's just

50:18

collapsed on this guy. He's

50:20

laid down on a bed and pinned the

50:22

guy. I've never seen anything like that. I've

50:26

dropped an elbow on my fucking mattress

50:28

harder than that, laying down after a

50:30

hard day. Whatever

50:33

he'd done to the guy, he just more or

50:35

less missionary

50:38

position, body pressed him and

50:40

fucking... Well, the

50:42

third video is the post-match and this will

50:44

tie everything together. OK,

50:46

and apparently it's the guy that

50:48

tweeted this as, I cannot believe

50:50

my eyes, a disaster. OK,

50:54

and he's trying to walk and he's limping

50:56

and he falls on his ass. And

50:59

the other guy whose hand he was raising just

51:02

fucking let go of his hand and turns off

51:05

and walks away from him and

51:07

kneels down selling, ignoring

51:09

the fact that this motherfucker actually just

51:12

probably collapsed on purpose. Or

51:15

not on purpose, but collapsed for real.

51:17

Well, Kota Obushi begins 2024, the

51:20

way he worked the entirety of 2023. This

51:23

does not look good and we'll

51:25

see what happens. That's all we can report. Before

51:27

he hurt himself, he was

51:30

doing the deal where he runs down and jumps to

51:32

the second turnbuckle and he didn't make that the first

51:34

try and then got up on it. Well, that's the

51:37

thing. He didn't even make... Like you said, the first

51:39

time he jumped to the second turnbuckle, he missed it.

51:41

I've never seen him do that before. And

51:44

then he does the deal and the

51:47

guy, whoever this other feller

51:49

is, he

51:51

tried to catch him. Marafuji.

51:54

Well, he tried to catch him, but Obushi

51:56

went kind of over his shoulder and

51:59

bam and landed on his feet, which apparently

52:02

he doesn't need to be doing that. Well,

52:05

there you go. Um, so

52:07

Tony can, should Tony's

52:09

father at this point suggest that he

52:12

open a, an offshoot

52:14

of AEW as like a

52:17

hospital medical center, physical rehab,

52:20

surgery, bone transplant,

52:22

fucking, you know,

52:25

organ black market

52:27

operation. It

52:30

seems like there'd be more money in

52:33

treating the injured AEW wrestlers than there

52:35

is in paying them while they're healthy

52:37

to sell tickets. Even

52:39

if you were a fan of Koda Obushi's, based

52:43

on what you've seen from him in the

52:45

last year, year and a half, whatever it is, you

52:48

can't tell me there's anything there that would make you want

52:50

to sign into a contract and give him more money. Despite

52:53

whatever you think of his work from before,

52:56

since he's come back and

52:58

before this ankle injury, apparently he was

53:01

awful. Even his own fans said that. And Tony

53:03

gave him a contract and

53:06

you know, and that's, there

53:09

are people out there, the Cornette haters who

53:11

will say, wow, Cornette would put

53:13

the belts on the rock and roll express or

53:16

some fucking blah, blah, blah. But if the midnight

53:18

express, we'd know, no,

53:20

if the midnight express present day

53:22

right here, right now, we're all

53:24

here. I would not book them

53:26

to wrestle on a national television

53:28

program because

53:30

at some point age

53:34

catches up with everybody. If Koda

53:36

Obushi was a legend

53:40

in a territory or even in this country,

53:42

Steve Austin can walk in a fucking ring

53:45

and take a shit and

53:47

people would still pay to see it, but he doesn't need the

53:49

money to have to do that, but he could. And

53:52

they can make money off of him doing it. If

53:55

he would agree to it and many

53:57

legends have, uh, but.

54:00

But no, he's

54:03

not a person that is

54:05

going to draw you money based

54:08

on what he can do now versus what he

54:10

could do in the past and what's the cutoff

54:12

then? Is it 40 years old or is it

54:14

60 years old or whatever? The

54:17

territory guys learned to work around their

54:19

limitations because they were over his personalities.

54:22

Ibushi has none. Most

54:25

of these guys have none. And

54:27

that's why when they're 32 and

54:30

they're falling on their ass because they can't

54:33

fucking walk because they've blown their ankles in

54:35

the same match, whatever, they

54:38

can't work around that because

54:42

that's the only thing they do. Personalities

54:45

can work around anything. God damn. Think

54:48

of the guys that were... Lawler,

54:50

until last year, had had a match every

54:53

year since 1970 because he knows what he

54:57

can do and what he can't do and he knows what to sell

54:59

people. And all

55:01

the old territory guys depended

55:04

on that because sometimes they owned

55:06

the territory, sometimes they owned part of

55:08

it or they just wanted to stay in the business. Gene

55:12

Konysky was fucking 60 and still

55:16

doing what he wanted to do because he

55:18

was part of owner and he knew how

55:20

to fucking stretch, whatever. These

55:23

guys, they can't do that because they've

55:26

set the standard where that's one of those

55:28

guys that does all that insane shit. And

55:31

then when it catches up to him and they can't do it

55:33

anymore, you can't pay

55:35

them like it's

55:37

like you're paying a fucking singer who's just had

55:40

his goddamn voice box

55:42

removed. What the

55:44

fuck are you there for then? Nobody's

55:46

going to pay just to look at you. So

55:52

Tony is finding out the problem with this,

55:55

putting this much reliance on this

55:57

kind of chaotic...

56:00

wrestling and signing every darling,

56:03

even if it's a darling that took him 10 or 15 years

56:06

to fucking be able to sign. The

56:09

action figures wear out. Well

56:12

Jim, let's stay on the topic of AEW even though there's

56:14

so much more AEW to talk about. We'll have to break

56:16

it up a little bit more. But

56:18

AEW Dynamite aired last Wednesday and I've forgotten all

56:20

about it until you brought it up before. But

56:23

we do indeed I guess have to talk about what

56:25

was on the road to World's End.

56:28

Well yeah boy, in more

56:30

ways than one. And

56:33

the road to ruin. And we

56:37

watched this one program because they

56:39

were kind and beneficial enough to

56:41

us on Raw on credit to

56:43

just do reruns, right? For Christmas.

56:47

But we have to at least

56:50

reference a few of the happenings

56:52

on Wednesday night's Dynamite of December

56:54

27th before we talk about the

56:57

World's End for Tony Khan on December

56:59

30th because they were still setting shit

57:01

up because they had no idea what

57:03

the fuck was going on. And

57:06

I like

57:08

to subtitle this episode, Tony

57:11

Khan Wouldn't Know Good Booking if Gutenberg

57:13

printed it for him. A lot

57:15

of the bibliophiles out there now

57:17

blowing snot. Google it kids. But

57:21

they led the thing off with another

57:23

tournament match but this time it was

57:25

the three-way to determine the winner of

57:27

the gold block to go on against

57:29

the blockhead or whatever the fuck. It

57:31

was Moxley versus Swerve

57:34

versus Switchblade

57:36

or Slingblade or... Slingshot.

57:40

Slingshot. Slingshot J. White. That's what

57:42

it is. And

57:44

again you know you can't

57:47

stomach Moxley to begin with. He looks like

57:49

a hobo wandered in from the railroad yard

57:51

and then they make it a three-way to

57:54

make it worse and within the first two

57:57

minutes they were all over the arena. And

58:00

Taz had to mention the one guy

58:03

trying to save this thing. He

58:05

had to mention, well the referee's being lenient.

58:08

It wasn't no DQ. It wasn't

58:11

no count-out. It was lazy booking.

58:13

But it's supposed to be their

58:15

tournament match where there's no interference

58:17

in its pure sport. And

58:20

they're out in the goddamn bleachers. Because

58:23

Moxley can't do anything else. He doesn't

58:25

know how. He doesn't do it

58:27

well. I can bleed. And

58:30

thankfully, maybe he got to

58:32

his quota that

58:35

month. I'm sure he has a monthly quota.

58:37

They measure how much blood he loses. We

58:40

did that one time. They sent me down in

58:42

Charlotte to do a live

58:44

remote on Channel 3 at

58:47

the noon news for the blood drive. Encouraging

58:49

people to come down and give blood, right?

58:51

Down to the Grady Coal Center. The old

58:53

Park Center. And

58:57

well, I think Corden can talk. What the

58:59

fuck, right? Just be entertaining. So I

59:01

went down and I

59:03

was talking with the newscaster was there.

59:05

And I was also talking to

59:07

one of the Red Cross representatives.

59:09

And I said, mama, how much blood

59:12

is there in the human body? And

59:15

she answered, I don't know now if this would, but

59:17

let's say it was 12 pints, right?

59:22

Okay. Well, I challenge right now. I

59:24

will give $5,000 to the Red Cross

59:26

if Dusty Rhodes will come down here

59:28

and donate 13 pints of

59:30

his blood to the Red Cross.

59:34

And boy, howdy. There you go. They didn't

59:36

know what was going on anyway. 13

59:39

pints. 13. You got to give 13, Dusty,

59:42

or they don't get the money. Think

59:44

of the little children. I'm

59:47

doing this on the goddamn new news on

59:49

the biggest station in North Carolina. Anyway,

59:52

so back

59:54

to this fucking match. I

59:58

think there was about a five-minute period. period, I

1:00:00

don't think any of the three of them were

1:00:02

in the ring at all. It

1:00:04

was just the worst instinct

1:00:06

of every indie outlaw wrestler you

1:00:08

could imagine. And

1:00:11

then, you know, Moxley and Swerve

1:00:13

had a slap fight and

1:00:16

I wrote this will never end, I

1:00:18

was fast forwarding through the chairs and

1:00:20

the railing and the goofy bumps and

1:00:22

everything. And finally

1:00:24

Moxley hit his shitty double

1:00:26

armed suplex on light

1:00:29

switch. And boom,

1:00:32

there he is, we were 30 minutes into the fucking

1:00:34

show. And

1:00:37

again, the one guy who might've

1:00:39

benefited from the one

1:00:41

guy that's got some momentum and some

1:00:44

talent and it needs some direction,

1:00:46

but whatever that could

1:00:48

have benefited from this was Swerve and

1:00:52

he didn't make it to the finals. I

1:00:56

think they got Swerve set up for bigger plans.

1:01:00

Well, I've probably shouldn't have been in this tournament

1:01:02

though. Then don't put him in a tournament. It's

1:01:04

a work. That's what I'm saying. It

1:01:06

don't be put them

1:01:09

30 minutes into the program for

1:01:12

that. Who

1:01:14

the fuck is Mariah May? Why

1:01:18

is she suddenly get, has anybody ever

1:01:20

heard of this woman before? She showed

1:01:22

up six weeks ago. They,

1:01:26

they apparently decided to do a two

1:01:29

year character evolution of timeless Tony

1:01:31

storm in three months and they've already got her

1:01:34

nemesis slash replacement lining

1:01:37

up and I know people have likened it to all about

1:01:39

Eve. I,

1:01:43

I, I don't know if

1:01:45

we're going to haul in the Oscars on this one,

1:01:47

but it didn't

1:01:49

more like sunset Boulevard though. Well, they're taking from everything

1:01:53

there. And again, Tony

1:01:55

storm probably had the

1:01:57

root of it. a

1:02:00

lot of these ideas. I hope she's not

1:02:02

writing the whole thing or she's rushing her

1:02:04

own self. But

1:02:06

now that everybody's throwing shit in, and I guess

1:02:08

a lot of people are too

1:02:10

nice or too scared to say slow

1:02:13

down cowboy. And so

1:02:16

yes, the Sunset Boulevard with Luther

1:02:18

the butler, Erich von Stroheim, and

1:02:21

the All About Eve with the understo- or the

1:02:24

story as old as time with the understudy

1:02:27

conniving to replace the star, blah blah

1:02:29

blah, whatever the fuck. But this

1:02:32

was like wrestling school promo. They gave

1:02:34

her a live interview with Renee Moxley

1:02:36

Goode. And it

1:02:39

was like, you know, promo practice

1:02:42

at school. What the fuck? And

1:02:44

then out comes

1:02:47

Reha! And ran

1:02:49

her off and beat up Tony

1:02:52

Storso. She ran Mariah of May

1:02:54

or Maria May or Mariah May.

1:02:56

Mariah May. Mariah May.

1:02:59

She may not, but Mariah May. You know,

1:03:01

it could go either way. She can go

1:03:03

one way, she can go the other way.

1:03:06

But so

1:03:09

she runs off, Tony Storm gets beat

1:03:11

up by this fucking feather,

1:03:14

this goddamn cotton ball.

1:03:16

She didn't even have a pipe. She just

1:03:18

ran out there. They ran from her. You know,

1:03:21

you heard the horrible

1:03:23

thing about the fucking she dropped the pipe

1:03:25

and bent over, tried to pick it back

1:03:27

up and strained her back. But

1:03:31

I didn't hear that, no. No, I wish I

1:03:33

hadn't said it. But

1:03:39

I'm sorry. It's

1:03:42

just ridiculous. At this

1:03:45

point, they're trying to do something

1:03:47

with some women that at least

1:03:49

have some personality that the American

1:03:51

television audience, which is primarily what they're

1:03:53

on here is paying them the big

1:03:55

bucks, can relate to and

1:03:59

might be new. and they're still

1:04:01

trying to shove this poor mousy

1:04:03

schoolgirl down everybody's throat. And...

1:04:07

Well, we'll play you audio later on. Tony Khan

1:04:09

defends it saying that she's a big ratings mover.

1:04:12

She can't move the ropes when she hits them!

1:04:16

You know, remember I was talking to you about

1:04:18

the U-scan, the grocery thing, where you have to

1:04:20

scan at the grocery your own shit? When you

1:04:22

scan her at the grocery, it keeps telling you

1:04:24

to put her in the bag after you've already

1:04:26

put her in the bag. Well,

1:04:29

that was the, uh, that was that segment.

1:04:31

Certainly, Tony Khan is no Thalberg. I'll say

1:04:33

that. So poor

1:04:35

Irving. We barely got a chance to

1:04:38

experience his great dead at 37. Who's

1:04:40

a better Booker? Irving Thalberg

1:04:42

dead or Tony Khan right

1:04:44

now alive? Thalberg's rotten corpse.

1:04:48

He'd be down to the bones by now. But

1:04:52

anyway, um... Um, so

1:04:54

then Tony Schwanie was in

1:04:57

the ring for the Don Fallis

1:04:59

family ceremony

1:05:01

with Hobbs and Takeshit

1:05:03

and Cowfelcher, because it

1:05:05

was Boxing Week celebration. Because,

1:05:08

you know, the Canadians up

1:05:10

there, they've got these strange customs.

1:05:13

Some Canadians celebrate Boxing

1:05:16

Day after Christmas.

1:05:18

Some Canadians

1:05:21

get kicked out of hotels in the

1:05:23

Greater United Kingdom area. They've got strange

1:05:25

customs. But

1:05:29

Felcher, to

1:05:31

me, looked badly out of place here,

1:05:34

because Hobbs and our boy Take, they

1:05:36

look great. And if they would... Where

1:05:40

has Takeshit been, by the way? They'd

1:05:42

followed up on him. He was getting over

1:05:45

all of a sudden. Reedy, reedy. Uh,

1:05:49

but they look great. And Felcher

1:05:51

looks like the goddamn guy who got

1:05:53

rejected at the Leave It to Beaver

1:05:55

remake casting call in a suit. It

1:05:58

just... And

1:06:00

they all got paintings of themselves

1:06:03

with him, with Don, as presents

1:06:06

for Boxing Week, but they didn't

1:06:08

uncover the fourth painting. And

1:06:12

he did say, finally, the family

1:06:14

is complete here, and then Sammy

1:06:17

Guevara's music hits and interrupts, and...

1:06:21

Brian, what was the mood of the

1:06:23

crowd at that point when Sammy came

1:06:25

out? It was a groan. They

1:06:27

did not want Sammy. They don't see Sammy as

1:06:29

a babyface. He's kind of killed a lot of

1:06:31

that in the past. He's turned back

1:06:33

and forth so many times. But

1:06:36

they didn't see him as a heel. They didn't know he

1:06:38

was going to switch yet. They didn't see him as a

1:06:40

heel either. They saw him as a babyface. They

1:06:42

all knew he just had a baby, because those are the

1:06:44

AEW fans. They know that shit. This segment

1:06:46

was already dying a horrible death, because

1:06:49

Don Callis' segments always suck. And

1:06:51

this one was as bad as all of them.

1:06:53

And again, how'd they follow up on Takeshita? Got

1:06:55

a big win. Then they lost like a tag match

1:06:58

or something. Then he's just been in the background in

1:07:00

a group. We haven't seen shit

1:07:02

from him. We literally haven't

1:07:04

seen him take a shit. If anyone

1:07:07

watches AEW TV regularly, why

1:07:10

would you want to see Sammy Guevara come out here for this?

1:07:14

Well, he was mad at Don. I think

1:07:16

they thought the immense

1:07:18

nuclear heat that Don has were

1:07:22

random press photographers in

1:07:24

Tijuana try to tackle him on an

1:07:26

annual basis. Conan! Conan! Conan!

1:07:32

He didn't get his baby gift. Sammy

1:07:34

didn't. Apparently, you know, Don's

1:07:36

like, oh, all this. I just didn't know you were

1:07:38

going to be here. Didn't know you were going to

1:07:40

show up for work. You're on maternity leave or whatever.

1:07:44

And he reveals the fourth painting,

1:07:46

and it's all of the heels

1:07:48

there with Sammy holding Sammy's baby.

1:07:51

Which, you know, actually

1:07:53

was kind of a cool thing to have

1:07:55

made like that. You know, although

1:07:57

I thought at first they were holding a

1:08:00

small chair. chimpanzee. But nevertheless... What

1:08:02

the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you say that? Well, it looked

1:08:04

like an ugly child. We don't know what

1:08:06

the model for the artwork was. No, it could have been Cheetah. It could

1:08:08

have been... But nevertheless, the point is that Sammy was

1:08:10

incensed about this. He

1:08:14

said, who the hell told you to

1:08:17

put my baby in the picture? Maybe he don't want that baby

1:08:19

to be seen. I

1:08:21

don't know. I'm like you. If I had a

1:08:23

baby like that, I'd take it to the plastic

1:08:25

surgeon and say, can you make

1:08:29

him look right? The surgeon added a tail.

1:08:31

What do you mean? You're like me. I

1:08:33

didn't say that. But anyways, so of

1:08:35

course then Don immediately starts knocking Sammy in the

1:08:37

window. He's like, what?

1:08:39

What? What? What?

1:08:43

What? What? What?

1:08:46

What? What? What?

1:08:49

What? So he's knocking Sammy

1:08:51

in the way that to telegraph, not

1:08:54

only that he's about to turn,

1:08:58

but also in a contrived way

1:09:00

that you would not do

1:09:03

if you were not intending on turning

1:09:06

on the guy to begin with in

1:09:08

the first place. So it's a foregone

1:09:10

conclusion. And he

1:09:12

tore him down. Sammy, you never show up.

1:09:16

You're a hurt loser that hadn't shown up for work

1:09:19

in five months or whatever. So

1:09:21

choose your other family or my

1:09:23

family. I

1:09:26

can't see Bill Watts having produced

1:09:28

this particular big angle here.

1:09:32

And Sammy, Sammy, Sammy! Oh,

1:09:35

I love you. Oh, I love

1:09:37

you, my dear old Sammy. Sammy.

1:09:41

Sammy shoves. Sammy shoves. Here's what

1:09:43

Sammy did. He

1:09:48

shoved Don Down.

1:09:52

Sammy shoves Don Down. And

1:09:56

the heels get on Sammy. And

1:09:59

in Jericho's music. plays and because

1:10:01

this was probably

1:10:04

hours maybe before the news was

1:10:07

being bandied

1:10:10

about, the rumors

1:10:12

and accusations, whatever, they didn't

1:10:16

really boo him, they just still didn't give

1:10:18

a shit but Jericho used his

1:10:20

baseball bat to run the heels out and

1:10:23

then broke the frames on the paintings and every

1:10:25

time he'd hit one of those fucking frames and

1:10:27

it'd shatter I'm thinking boy

1:10:30

if somebody in the

1:10:32

front row just had the guts to stick

1:10:34

one piece of fucking plastic in his own

1:10:36

eye and didn't call Steven P. New they

1:10:38

could be a billionaire but nevertheless, the

1:10:43

heels bailed, there was a big face-off

1:10:45

between Jericho and Sammy and then they

1:10:47

had a big hug and

1:10:51

finally this long drawn-out

1:10:55

segment had come to an end or

1:10:57

had it! Na na

1:10:59

na na! As

1:11:02

soon as they hug, Jericho and

1:11:04

Sammy being the they, Starks

1:11:07

and Big Bill jump and just

1:11:09

appear and jump them from behind

1:11:11

and start getting

1:11:13

some of the most lackluster and

1:11:15

or immobile heat that

1:11:18

I've ever seen on them but

1:11:20

I'm like what the fuck and

1:11:23

then the lights go

1:11:25

out for a while

1:11:28

I didn't have my watch

1:11:30

in the same room with the second hand or

1:11:32

I would have timed this son of a bitch

1:11:34

but it had to be better than 30 seconds

1:11:36

of black screen on network

1:11:39

television with the announcers going

1:11:41

well wait but yeah and

1:11:45

when the lights come on they're Sting

1:11:47

and Darby Allen who

1:11:49

got his name from an old Irish

1:11:52

folk song and they called him Darby

1:11:54

Allen and

1:11:57

now Sting and Jericho both so the

1:11:59

best debate face team both have

1:12:01

baseball bats and

1:12:04

they hit big bill about five or

1:12:06

six times before he even went down.

1:12:08

And with

1:12:11

the phoniness of some

1:12:13

of the swings, I'm not actually

1:12:16

penalizing him for that. And

1:12:18

then that set of heels that are

1:12:20

completely goddamn totally unrelated to the other

1:12:23

set of heels that had just bailed,

1:12:26

they bail as the baby

1:12:28

faces stand there. Did

1:12:32

I describe

1:12:34

that to what you saw Brian

1:12:36

or was this some kind of

1:12:39

indigestion from an undigested bit

1:12:41

of beef or

1:12:44

a blot of mustard over Christmas?

1:12:46

This was an endless awful segment

1:12:49

from the beginning to the very end callous. Again

1:12:52

for anyone who wants to pretend like he's a heel with

1:12:54

heat when everyone's booing and smiling you don't have any heat.

1:12:57

They're enjoying the show and then

1:12:59

you get to the substance of it and it's all this stupidity

1:13:02

and again him at the paintings, the

1:13:04

Sami stuff wasn't getting over with anyone,

1:13:07

Jericho comes out, Jericho even before

1:13:10

the week

1:13:12

of Jericho, I don't know what you call it, this

1:13:14

is the start of the week of Jericho right there

1:13:17

on Dynamite. He's not

1:13:19

very good anymore. You can

1:13:21

stop pretending everyone has been pretending and then

1:13:24

just more. It's just more and everyone likes...

1:13:29

Hold on, I gotta say, regardless there's

1:13:31

another way to put it that sounds

1:13:33

even less biased. I'm not saying he

1:13:36

is as good as he once was.

1:13:38

He's better than some

1:13:40

they've got but he's

1:13:42

doing the same stuff and or

1:13:44

trying...he's doing the same stuff in

1:13:47

the ring while trying to be

1:13:49

a different person outside the

1:13:51

ring every four months and

1:13:53

they've seen him for five years. How

1:13:56

can I miss you if you won't go away?

1:13:58

It's getting old. And so is

1:14:00

he. Maybe he

1:14:02

should revamp his schedule rather than his character.

1:14:04

You know what else is getting old? The

1:14:06

light's going out. Everyone

1:14:09

is starting to groan when that happens.

1:14:11

No one's getting excited. It's the House

1:14:13

of Black doing it. The devil's doing

1:14:16

it. Sting and Darby are

1:14:18

doing it. Why?

1:14:21

This is one of those things from ECW that they

1:14:24

got away with not having a logical reason

1:14:26

for it. But now

1:14:28

you have to have a reason for it. Or

1:14:30

stop doing it. It's the laziest thing ever. I

1:14:33

get that Sting can't run to the ring. But

1:14:35

there's got to be a better way. Well no, he could...

1:14:39

They're not even doing it because of that. I mean

1:14:42

if he can have the matches he's having he can

1:14:44

run down the aisle way. It's

1:14:46

that they think it's cool. And

1:14:49

it's not cool anymore. It

1:14:51

was like you said, the 90s ECW

1:14:53

got away with it. And

1:14:55

every once in a while if you've got... If

1:14:58

you can have the lights come back on and there's the

1:15:01

rock or Jesus Christ,

1:15:04

that's wonderful. Everybody will just forgive

1:15:06

you. Even if it

1:15:08

takes a minute to get into position. But

1:15:10

when it's constant and it's multiple times per

1:15:13

show and it takes

1:15:15

a while and then

1:15:17

it's not anybody that you

1:15:19

wouldn't normally see otherwise on the

1:15:21

fucking program. Did

1:15:28

it get you excited for the eight man tag at the

1:15:31

pay-per-view? Well that's what

1:15:33

it set up but they didn't

1:15:35

book it right there. They announced it

1:15:37

later on at some point that

1:15:39

I was zipping through. But what no.

1:15:41

Because there

1:15:44

was no logical

1:15:46

reason for a

1:15:49

variety of these things to go on

1:15:52

in the same segment or the way that

1:15:54

they did. But nevertheless, more

1:15:57

is less as they say. Speaking

1:15:59

of more. being less, did you like in

1:16:03

hindsight now when I saw

1:16:05

this, I did not know what was going

1:16:07

to happen at the pay-per-view, but

1:16:10

did you like Roderick

1:16:13

Strong again in a pre-tape

1:16:16

segment doing comedy with Taven

1:16:19

and Bennett, who's showing the

1:16:22

chart why MJF is the

1:16:24

devil and being silly and

1:16:26

the neck brace and these two

1:16:29

flunkies that Taven and Bennett have become

1:16:31

in whole nine yards in hindsight now,

1:16:34

how fucking ignorant is

1:16:36

this? It's

1:16:39

been steadily awful for a while. I'm

1:16:41

not convinced that anything happened at the pay-per-view is going to

1:16:43

end the awfulness. We'll see. But

1:16:46

I just can't believe that, we'll

1:16:48

get to it at the pay-per-view, but I

1:16:50

can't believe they have done to

1:16:53

all of these guys what they've done for no good reason

1:16:55

with the position they were going to put him in. There's

1:16:59

no one in charge with good ideas. There's no

1:17:01

one in charge who will say no to the

1:17:03

bad ideas instead of trying to put his spin

1:17:05

on them. That's

1:17:07

the problem. It all comes from the top.

1:17:09

The fact that at the same time they're

1:17:11

trying to sell everyone on the sports-based

1:17:13

wrestling of a continental classic, they're

1:17:16

doing bad WWE

1:17:19

comedy. Not even

1:17:21

a WWE comedy which sucks on its own. Bad

1:17:24

versions of that. Let

1:17:26

me just say this and maybe

1:17:28

if it's not completely Tony Khan

1:17:30

saying, you guys must do this

1:17:32

or else it's your jobs. Roderick

1:17:36

Strong, Matt Taven

1:17:38

and Mike Bennett, whoever, I will say please

1:17:40

somebody who knows one of those gentlemen because

1:17:42

I've dealt with all three of them, forward

1:17:46

this clip. If

1:17:48

it's one of the three of y'all's ideas to

1:17:50

be presented this way, treated this

1:17:53

way and do the things you've done since

1:17:55

you joined the company, the

1:17:58

other two of y'all ought to beat the fuck out of it. Because

1:18:01

he's not only ruined his own career, he's ruined

1:18:03

y'alls too. Y'all are

1:18:05

toast. You're fucking stale goddamn

1:18:07

bread in the fucking pan

1:18:09

at the bottom of the toaster that only gets

1:18:11

cleaned out every six months or so. Because

1:18:16

that's a... you will never

1:18:18

be taken seriously by that audience in

1:18:20

that company. I don't care whether you're

1:18:22

devils, henchmen's or not because you've been

1:18:24

portrayed as brainless

1:18:26

fucking twits, comedy

1:18:28

characters, people who are unserious

1:18:30

about their profession, and

1:18:33

the whole thing's totally phony. So whoever,

1:18:36

if it was any of the three of y'alls

1:18:38

idea, instead of you being forced to go along

1:18:40

with it, that person is a

1:18:42

fucking idiot. But don't

1:18:44

worry, you got company. Because

1:18:47

MJF's the goddamn stupidest son of a

1:18:49

bitch walking the planet on two feet

1:18:51

right now. So

1:18:53

probably a lot of the attention will go

1:18:56

on the failure, the complete failure that

1:18:58

this angle is gonna be, will go

1:19:01

on him because he gets a lot of the

1:19:03

attention. And he's a fucking

1:19:05

moron now too in the public eye. But

1:19:07

we'll get to that. Anyway,

1:19:10

you want to move on with dynamite? Yeah. So

1:19:14

we got a tournament match with

1:19:16

Danielson and Eddie Kingston. And

1:19:20

remember, I thought that you called it, by

1:19:23

the way, you know,

1:19:25

Brian, you're great. You

1:19:27

just, I'm telling you, because I

1:19:30

thought, all right, now yours

1:19:32

echoes a little bit. You need to tone

1:19:34

that thing down. All

1:19:40

right. Hey, thank

1:19:43

you, doctor. I

1:19:45

thought that even if Brian Danielson

1:19:47

had to hop to

1:19:49

the fucking ring on one leg with

1:19:51

no arms like the goddamn Black Knight

1:19:54

or whatever, um,

1:19:57

that Tony would let him win it because it's his

1:19:59

G1. one before he, you know,

1:20:01

finishes his full time wrestling career. But

1:20:05

you correctly called it. We'll get to that

1:20:07

later on. But in the meantime, now

1:20:11

here is two baby faces. Daniel

1:20:14

said in Kingston, the whole tournament's practically

1:20:16

been two heels against each other. Kingston

1:20:20

could have been, as we've talked about

1:20:22

an over gimmick baby face. I've,

1:20:26

I've, what have a couple of years ago now when he

1:20:28

had momentum in the article and a blah, blah, blah. But

1:20:31

it's been the same thing for two years, starting to

1:20:34

stop. You see him, then you don't. But also his

1:20:36

worst Japanese

1:20:39

wrestling fantasies have been allowed to come

1:20:41

to fruition where instead of a, a

1:20:45

fucking guy that somebody in Queens might relate

1:20:47

to as a mechanic that worked down the

1:20:49

street from him and

1:20:51

is getting a big time chance

1:20:53

at a sports career, instead he's

1:20:56

a fat guy having bad Japanese wrestling

1:20:58

matches. So that season

1:21:02

has passed. And

1:21:04

then you got the fact that

1:21:06

this went 22 fucking minutes, counting

1:21:08

entrances, I believe with Eddie

1:21:12

Kingston, basically

1:21:14

beating Brian Danielson, one of the

1:21:16

best wrestlers in the world by

1:21:19

bitch slapping him with an open handed

1:21:21

backhand and then a power bomb

1:21:24

one, two, three. Did

1:21:28

this do anything for Eddie Kingston worth

1:21:30

sacrificing Brian Danielson to that degree when

1:21:32

you haven't got Danielson for another full

1:21:34

fucking year? I

1:21:36

think the way Danielson sees Danielson and the way

1:21:39

we see Danielson may be different. I

1:21:41

think the way some of these people see may

1:21:43

be different. This whole thing was set up for

1:21:45

Eddie to win. I

1:21:48

mean, it was, it was telegraphed when he put his belts

1:21:50

on the line early on. And

1:21:52

whether Eddie is the person who should be winning a

1:21:54

tournament like this, at this point,

1:21:56

who's the younger wrestler that's going to be helped by this? Maybe

1:21:59

Swerve. Is he younger? I don't even know

1:22:01

how old he is. Who's the wrestler?

1:22:03

I guess maybe Swerve. And

1:22:06

again, I referenced earlier in the program,

1:22:08

you know, people that I caught at,

1:22:10

he's stuck in a fucking past. Yeah,

1:22:13

damn, he'd book the Midnight Express to Matt. No, I

1:22:15

wouldn't. He'd book the Rock and Roll

1:22:17

Express not on national TV as the world champions.

1:22:19

No, I wouldn't. But

1:22:21

when I did book the Rock and Roll

1:22:23

Express on TV as champions

1:22:26

last, in Smoky

1:22:28

Mountain Wrestling, they were younger than all

1:22:30

these fucking guys are now. Remember

1:22:33

we worked it out. Robert

1:22:38

was 30 fucking 4, right?

1:22:41

Yeah, Robert Gibson was 34 and I think

1:22:43

Ricky was, well, depending on which birth certificate

1:22:45

you believe, he wasn't even 40 yet. So

1:22:49

what's the, anyway. So

1:22:51

after Eddie Bitch

1:22:53

slaps Danielson, what a fucking way to

1:22:56

go down for a former WWE champion.

1:23:00

The plumber comes out and Brian, I

1:23:02

know you saw it, but the folks

1:23:04

will never guess what he told

1:23:06

his opponent in the

1:23:08

finals. He said, I

1:23:10

want you at your best. I want you

1:23:13

at a hundred percent. We

1:23:16

keep joking about this every fucking week.

1:23:19

Can't somebody be honest? No, I want you

1:23:21

to be hurt. I want you

1:23:23

at your worst. I want you hungover. Go

1:23:25

out and party the night before. Because

1:23:27

I don't want to get hurt when I beat you. Fucking

1:23:31

morons. I want you

1:23:33

at your best. Everybody loves you, but they

1:23:36

know and you know that you can't beat me and

1:23:38

on and on and on. And I

1:23:40

wrote this slobbering wino thinks he's a

1:23:42

badass. And then

1:23:44

Kingston fired up and responded with a

1:23:47

bunch of Japanese wrestling references to

1:23:49

young boys and fucking

1:23:51

various. Not in that respect. You know,

1:23:53

the young boys are the, the stooges

1:23:55

over there, the, the, the

1:23:57

fetchers and carriers. But

1:24:00

anyway, at least

1:24:02

Kingston has a little fire to

1:24:04

him unlike this fucking Moxley. But

1:24:07

the whole point was show your

1:24:09

fighting spirit. What? God

1:24:13

damn it. Would a mechanic from

1:24:16

Brooklyn tell

1:24:18

a guy, I'm going to kick your fucking

1:24:20

ass. I don't care who you fucking are. You think

1:24:22

you've been a big star, but I've been waiting for

1:24:24

this all my life. I'll pull your fucking eyeballs out.

1:24:27

Or would they say show your

1:24:29

fighting spirit. Rest

1:24:32

up, bring your best, drink

1:24:34

some fluids, train, be

1:24:37

ready, none of that. Here's

1:24:39

the thing about wrestling. It's

1:24:41

always been this way and then we'll move on to the

1:24:44

next part of this fiasco. It's

1:24:46

always been this way, but when other people, smart

1:24:48

people were in charge, it wasn't a problem. A

1:24:52

lot of the guys in the wrestling business,

1:24:54

Brian, would you say down through history, is

1:24:56

this an inflammatory statement or is this an

1:24:58

exaggeration or is this truth?

1:25:00

Just plain fact. Most

1:25:03

of the guys that have made money in the

1:25:05

wrestling business since the start of it had

1:25:11

an odd or a unique

1:25:13

or a different

1:25:16

look to them visually, physically. They

1:25:18

didn't look like normal people. They

1:25:21

looked unusual even,

1:25:24

right? Would

1:25:27

you say that's a fact? I would say that's a fact

1:25:29

and the most, I mean, Bruno Sammartino was a normal guy,

1:25:31

but he was gigantic. He had a massive shot. Yes, you

1:25:33

would see someone and they'd go, oh man, he must be

1:25:35

a wrestler. Most of that

1:25:38

was the most normal guy. People don't look like

1:25:40

this. Don't look like this. Don't talk like this.

1:25:42

Don't sound of whatever the case, right? But

1:25:45

by the same token, you

1:25:48

would find if you were a

1:25:50

booker or a promoter down through

1:25:52

history that not all the guys

1:25:55

really acted like they looked. So

1:25:58

sometimes you had to give them a little bit of

1:26:00

a look. bit of a gimmick and bring it out to

1:26:03

where that they acted publicly on

1:26:05

television like they

1:26:08

looked, like they appeared, like they spoke

1:26:11

so that the gimmick would be complete. We

1:26:15

Willy Davis was an expert

1:26:17

at horticulture. He

1:26:19

was 6'10 and 350 pounds

1:26:21

and he had a face like a goddamn 30s

1:26:25

gangster, which is why he got into movies after

1:26:27

he was a wrestler. But

1:26:30

you wouldn't expect him to

1:26:33

expound eloquently on the fucking gardenias and

1:26:36

blah, blah, blah and the golden rods.

1:26:39

So that's the point. Kingston

1:26:41

had and has a look

1:26:44

and ability to talk and

1:26:46

a charisma and he should be

1:26:49

instead of letting him fantasize

1:26:51

about his Japanese wrestling fantasies

1:26:53

that appeal to a niche

1:26:55

audience that he's been performing for his

1:26:57

entire life, now

1:26:59

that he's on national television, somebody should have

1:27:02

said no. Like

1:27:04

Watts did for Junkyard Dog. Remember

1:27:08

the Junkyard Dog's original gimmick was

1:27:10

he was wheeling a goddamn wheelbarrow

1:27:13

full of junk from the junkyard and

1:27:15

the chain around his neck. And

1:27:19

Murdock used to come out with, he

1:27:23

played the US Marine Corps theme

1:27:25

and he had a fucking Marine

1:27:27

Corps backpack and he'd hit people

1:27:30

with his entrenching shovel. If

1:27:33

fucking Kingston came out with a goddamn

1:27:35

monkey wrench in his back pocket with

1:27:37

a fucking cap saw to hit a

1:27:39

guy with a fucking wrench, I'd believe

1:27:41

it coming from that fat, ugly fuck,

1:27:43

right? Jesus, be nice. No,

1:27:46

I'm complimenting him. He's got a fucking

1:27:48

look. He's not working it. Fat

1:27:51

and ugly is his look. He's

1:27:53

a fat, ugly fucking mechanic from

1:27:56

Brooklyn or Queens or whichever one

1:27:58

is most- He's Yonkers. Donkers? Okay,

1:28:01

I don't know. I never got that fucking

1:28:03

fine into the neighborhoods over there, but that's

1:28:05

the point I'm making. Yo,

1:28:07

hey, we're gonna fucking go down and bust

1:28:09

some heads tonight at the fucking plant or

1:28:11

whatever the fuck, right? The plant, yeah. Wherever

1:28:14

you could buy this shit from him.

1:28:17

But he would

1:28:19

broaden his audience

1:28:23

if he is the hacksaw dougan

1:28:26

with the two before. Yo,

1:28:29

USA, whatever the fuck. He

1:28:31

said ho, not yo. Ho,

1:28:33

yo, yo, ho. Not yo. Well,

1:28:36

you, you, you're ho and always,

1:28:38

always, always, always mind. Dougan

1:28:41

and I shared a couple of yos as a matter of

1:28:44

fact. Nevertheless,

1:28:46

so. Oh, God. Point is, work your

1:28:49

gimmicks people. So speaking of working a

1:28:51

fucking gimmick. Can I just say something?

1:28:53

Yes, you can. Very

1:28:56

unpopular opinion, but I have a few of

1:28:58

those. But they're still true.

1:29:01

I'm starting to think Brian Danielson at this point may

1:29:03

be the most overrated wrestler in the world. Because

1:29:07

I'm sick of his matches. And why

1:29:09

I say that is I know exactly how his matches are

1:29:11

going to go. And

1:29:13

they almost get too slow for me. Too

1:29:16

slow in the middle. Too slow

1:29:18

with the guy sitting there on his knees

1:29:20

with his chest up waiting for a kick. Like,

1:29:23

I don't like that. And he

1:29:26

may be one of the biggest problems in terms

1:29:29

of the timing of the,

1:29:31

you call it yay, boost fight. You can't even

1:29:33

call it that anymore. Just

1:29:35

the trading blows back and forth

1:29:38

with permission in

1:29:40

the middle of a match. Yes. Towards the end of a match.

1:29:44

I'm really starting to not like his matches because I'm

1:29:46

seeing his match over and over again. Some

1:29:48

of the stuff you could do on the mat is beautiful to watch.

1:29:52

But his matches are, I don't

1:29:54

know, becoming kind of boring to me. Well,

1:29:57

but you know what? You

1:29:59

said he- He's maybe overrated as

1:30:01

the greatest wrestler in the world. There's

1:30:04

two ways to look at that. Both these things can

1:30:06

be true, whatever the case. He's

1:30:10

not been produced and

1:30:12

advised and booked correctly. He's

1:30:15

too indie-minded to be given

1:30:17

free reign over whatever

1:30:19

he does. Although

1:30:22

at this point in

1:30:24

his career, he's going to retire soon and he's got

1:30:26

a family and he's got money. He

1:30:28

ought to be able to do what he wants, just

1:30:31

not on national TV and somebody else's

1:30:33

fucking company. Let

1:30:36

him do indies, right? But

1:30:38

he hasn't been produced orson wells. Made

1:30:42

some real stinkers, right? Because

1:30:45

he'd just take the money and do whatever the

1:30:48

fuck, especially in the later years, he didn't give

1:30:50

a shit. Drink wine. And yes.

1:30:54

And that's the thing is, if

1:30:56

any of these guys, Danielson, remember

1:30:59

that run where he was the sly, smart

1:31:01

ass heel that we praised to the heavens,

1:31:03

the matches were incredible because he had a

1:31:05

variety of opponents who needed

1:31:07

to do their own shit too. It

1:31:10

wasn't a bunch of people working with him that

1:31:13

were pleased and thrilled to

1:31:15

be in the ring with Bryan Danielson and

1:31:17

wanting to try to have his match because

1:31:20

that's what you do out of respect. When

1:31:22

he worked with MJF, MJF had to do

1:31:24

MJF shit, right? And

1:31:28

Bryan, he was doing those

1:31:30

promos which were great. He

1:31:32

was having those matches which were great against

1:31:34

a variety of people. And

1:31:37

then suddenly, as we talked about however many

1:31:39

months later it was, he was in the

1:31:41

meaningless fucking group with the goofy plumber and

1:31:43

poor Claudio, just a mute

1:31:45

fucking lurch in the background. And

1:31:50

it's not special because now he's doing the same

1:31:52

thing over and over, except

1:31:54

when he's out for long periods of time

1:31:56

because he tries to have these goddamn Japanese

1:31:58

matches and it's just... Japanese guy

1:32:00

broke his arm and if

1:32:02

somebody else broke his

1:32:05

face, he'd... Is

1:32:07

someone a great worker if they always

1:32:09

get hurt in these matches? Well, really

1:32:11

appeal more to themselves than anyone else.

1:32:13

No, the guy jumped off top rope

1:32:15

and dropped an elbow on his arm

1:32:18

and landed on his arm and broke

1:32:20

it. That's not Brian's fault and I've...

1:32:22

Fair enough. I would have to know

1:32:24

exactly the spot where he got his

1:32:26

face fucking caved in to ascribe blame

1:32:29

to Brian. That's hard to do

1:32:31

to yourself. But

1:32:34

again, produce him. Tell

1:32:37

him, Brian, no. We

1:32:39

need you that personality that you had and

1:32:42

we need you to... Instead

1:32:44

of fucking encouraging these guys and

1:32:47

girls Japanese fantasies, get them into

1:32:49

the fucking wrestling business, the United

1:32:51

States and how to work and

1:32:53

how to get over as a personality because you've done

1:32:56

that too. But

1:32:58

instead, they want him to go

1:33:01

all out and show this mastery that he's

1:33:03

already showed plenty of in-ring

1:33:05

wrestling in his last nine months in the

1:33:07

business. How about let's

1:33:10

create something that maybe puts his

1:33:13

ultimate career in jeopardy where he wants

1:33:15

to finish at Wembley Stadium or whatever

1:33:18

but something might stand in the

1:33:20

way of that and he has to overcome that and make

1:33:22

it a goddamn nine-month story instead

1:33:24

of having him in goddamn tournament

1:33:26

matches where he's

1:33:28

getting beat with a goddamn backhand. Fuck.

1:33:35

Anyway, now

1:33:37

can we move on to the next bad gimmick? I forgot

1:33:39

what else is on the show, yeah. Christian

1:33:41

Cage, Nick Plain and Nick

1:33:43

Plain's mom who now

1:33:46

is dressing like a Bond villainous.

1:33:48

Have you noticed that? Yes, I

1:33:50

did. I don't think she looks

1:33:52

like Ursula Andress in a bikini, but she

1:33:55

looked like she was wearing black leather and

1:33:57

she has evil intent in her eye. They

1:34:00

were supposed to have a sit down with edge

1:34:04

on this program. And

1:34:06

I gotta

1:34:08

think I don't even

1:34:10

know whether whether this was in the building

1:34:13

or not did they not show edge to

1:34:15

the fucking crowd if that's the case that

1:34:17

they pre taped this somewhere else or

1:34:19

if it was in this building. They

1:34:23

still didn't show edge to the fucking people

1:34:26

right. They

1:34:28

wouldn't have been on YouTube. So

1:34:32

I mean would he? So

1:34:35

they're supposed to have a sit down interview in the

1:34:37

back with Christian and his band

1:34:40

and edge and edge runs into

1:34:42

the room and attacks everybody. And

1:34:45

he and Christian fight out into the hallway

1:34:47

in the security and the job guys try

1:34:49

to separate and they have big fight in

1:34:51

the hall and edge. God

1:34:54

he's got a great mean face boy he

1:34:56

looks like he means business. And

1:34:59

then it was broken up and I'll

1:35:01

get you Sunday or Saturday or whatever

1:35:03

it is. But

1:35:05

I guess those people I just didn't get the edge

1:35:08

in person I maybe did they do that earlier in

1:35:10

the day so we could catch a flight. I

1:35:13

don't know why fly to the building to do that. When

1:35:16

you go to. A

1:35:19

WWE show correct me if I'm wrong

1:35:21

all the big stars usually at some

1:35:24

point run in make an entrance they

1:35:26

talk to you basically talk to you.

1:35:29

But if you buy a ticket to go there live

1:35:31

you actually it see him in the building right. Right

1:35:35

so these people probably thought they were going to

1:35:37

get the edge amongst the they know who's hurt

1:35:39

but he ain't hurt. Anyway

1:35:42

they milk that for almost the whole program

1:35:44

and that's what we got was a fight in

1:35:46

the hallway at least they've never done that

1:35:48

before so it stood out as something different. And

1:35:52

then what did you think of

1:35:54

that lander against blue sky. But

1:35:58

it was all right. And

1:36:00

the a women's division kinda way.

1:36:04

You what do you think a sky blues new? Dark

1:36:07

side personality. She's no longer wearing blue.

1:36:09

She's wearing black and she's teaming up

1:36:11

with house of black Whatever

1:36:16

she is there perpetrator perpetrator. I don't know. She's the

1:36:18

leader. I was trying to do I say leader or

1:36:20

not? But you know, I don't how many how big

1:36:22

is this house? Are they gonna have to put on

1:36:24

an addition? Maybe get a

1:36:27

fucking Murphy bed or something? Is

1:36:29

people are they're moving into the house left and

1:36:31

right nobody's leaving Although

1:36:34

if I was in the house with Julia Hart and

1:36:36

blue sky, I probably wouldn't leave too

1:36:39

often they believe But thank

1:36:41

you very much. Here's the problem I've

1:36:46

mentioned Julia Hart's a personality and I

1:36:50

would have her wrestle very minimally and only when

1:36:52

people pay to see it and have her be

1:36:55

The spiritual centerpiece of the house of

1:36:58

black or maybe even something with somebody

1:37:00

that could actually get over somehow Attention

1:37:02

is put on her but she

1:37:04

ain't just out there taking bumps. I Understand

1:37:07

blue sky is a healthy

1:37:10

exuberant looking young lady But

1:37:14

she's green still and now they're

1:37:16

putting Julia and

1:37:18

blue together And they

1:37:21

did the deal where Julia hits Stadtlander

1:37:23

with the title belt and then Blue

1:37:27

did some fucked up kind of sunset

1:37:29

flip off the top rope saying

1:37:32

the powerbomb one two three

1:37:35

they Stadtlander What

1:37:39

the fuck happened I thought

1:37:41

they were gonna push her I thought she

1:37:44

came back from injury I thought they were gonna put

1:37:46

the belt on her. She was starting to be seen

1:37:48

on TV She's a

1:37:50

grown adult. She looked like

1:37:52

she had improved. I Would

1:37:55

like to see her follow Jane her

1:37:58

friend miss Cargill over to NXT

1:38:01

to get some proper training and

1:38:04

see her in the ring wrestling the adult

1:38:06

girls like Charlotte and Ripley and whoever the

1:38:08

fuck. But now

1:38:11

she's just putting over these green

1:38:13

munchkins in

1:38:15

AW for no, you know, she

1:38:18

made changes. Statlender did

1:38:20

drop the goddamn, I'm an alien

1:38:23

being from another galaxy and

1:38:25

the nose booping and the silliness. I

1:38:27

guess she

1:38:30

has no control over whether they send her out with

1:38:32

the pudding gang or not, but

1:38:34

she improved in her matches and she looks like

1:38:36

a grown adult woman that could do some damage.

1:38:40

And now she's going down to fucked

1:38:43

up sunset flips by blue sky.

1:38:48

That was my observation there. I

1:38:51

mean, Statlender should be in NXT and

1:38:54

Julia Hart and Sky Blue should probably be

1:38:57

in developmental, even though

1:38:59

personality wise Julia Hart's obviously ready maybe

1:39:01

in the ring, she's ready for NXT. I

1:39:04

don't know. I think Statlender should be in

1:39:06

developmental or NXT. And I think that blue

1:39:08

sky and Julia Hart ought to be down

1:39:10

at the mouse's ear, two shows a night.

1:39:12

Oh, stop it. You see now, this is

1:39:14

where you become the chauvinist pig. Oink,

1:39:17

oink. What nights? Anyway,

1:39:20

well, Tuesdays and Thursdays, um,

1:39:22

are, uh, there's no wrestling on what Tuesdays

1:39:25

and Thursdays are amateur nights where, you

1:39:27

know, but anyway, so

1:39:29

that was the main event of the program, Brian,

1:39:32

at least the one I saw because

1:39:35

the main event of AW last Wednesday

1:39:37

was supposed to be MJF

1:39:40

and Samoa Joe taking on two

1:39:42

of the devil Stooges and another

1:39:44

one of these challenges that never

1:39:46

seems to come about for some

1:39:48

reason and right as MJF was entering

1:39:50

the ring. And

1:39:53

before I even saw Samoa Joe or

1:39:55

any kind of a match, I

1:39:59

was alerted to the fact that it was

1:40:01

10 o'clock Eastern and my DVR froze.

1:40:04

They didn't even start the fucking

1:40:06

main event until out

1:40:08

of their time slot. So

1:40:11

can you explain to me what they

1:40:14

did? Because I tried

1:40:16

to read the recap on

1:40:19

the internet and I didn't

1:40:21

understand the

1:40:23

evolution of events as they were written down in

1:40:25

front of me. Alright,

1:40:27

I'll see what I can remember off the top of my head because I

1:40:29

don't, you know, a lot has happened

1:40:31

since last year. Some way or another, Joe is the

1:40:34

one who's turned

1:40:37

on MJF by... MJF was found in

1:40:39

the back, it was on the screen,

1:40:41

lying on the ground, hurt the same

1:40:43

way Joe had previously been I think

1:40:45

last week, and then

1:40:47

Joe revealed himself... I

1:40:49

forget, they may have done the lights out,

1:40:51

lights on again. I remember Joe

1:40:54

revealed that he's in cahoots with the

1:40:56

devil, he isn't the devil, but

1:40:59

he's gonna take that title from Max at

1:41:02

the pay-per-view. So then they... The

1:41:04

top babyface has been made to look like

1:41:06

a complete piece of shit, not a piece

1:41:08

of shit, just an idiot. Just an idiot,

1:41:10

a buffoon. Yeah. He trusts all the wrong

1:41:13

people, but so then now are the devil

1:41:15

stooges the rig of honor World Tag Team

1:41:18

Champions? Yes, they

1:41:20

are the World Tag Team Champions. MJF got to the

1:41:22

ring and got paid. They beat

1:41:24

MJF. Yes. But

1:41:27

never took their masks off. Yeah, I forgot that was

1:41:29

the match, you know, now that you're saying it, I

1:41:31

remember it all in a different order. Yeah. So MJF's

1:41:33

hurt, then he finally gets to the ring, then Joe

1:41:35

turns on him, and then

1:41:38

they reveal that the devil

1:41:40

is paid off Joe, I guess, and that the devil's

1:41:42

tag team, which we believe

1:41:44

in the kingdom, are now the Ring of

1:41:46

Honor Tag Team Champions... Well no, but we didn't know that

1:41:48

then. We didn't know that then. We don't know who these

1:41:50

people are. No. So basically,

1:41:54

the match which didn't start until the

1:41:56

fucking show was supposed to be over

1:41:58

with... Then

1:42:00

what transpired was that Joe revealed that

1:42:02

he had been paid off by

1:42:06

the devil and his

1:42:08

henchmen to milk MJF

1:42:10

into that position where

1:42:12

then he then turned on MJF. And

1:42:16

then the devil's

1:42:18

henchmen who were still at this

1:42:20

point unknown and unrevealed

1:42:23

beat MJF and

1:42:26

win the Ring of Honor tag team

1:42:28

titles that MJF and

1:42:30

Samoa Joe were

1:42:32

defending on behalf of

1:42:34

MJF and Adam Cole who

1:42:37

is hurt and cannot wrestle

1:42:39

for months and months and months from now. And

1:42:43

that's it. So then MJF basically was left

1:42:45

laying on his fucking face again. And

1:42:48

again, this was the buildup. This was

1:42:50

the last thing for the pay-per-view. A

1:42:53

pretty big moment, Samoa Joe, turning on MJF before the

1:42:55

pay-per-view and a lot of people like you wouldn't have

1:42:57

seen it if you tried to DVR this show. Because

1:43:01

this was the thing. They decided

1:43:03

to stick in the overrun spot. Instead

1:43:05

of just not having the, I don't

1:43:07

know, Statlander versus Sky Blue match

1:43:10

and having this fit into 10pm. Instead

1:43:13

of doing it at 9 o'clock and then

1:43:15

referring to it and talking about it and

1:43:17

what in the world is MJF going to

1:43:19

do to get even with Samoa Joe on

1:43:21

Saturday night until 10 o'clock? They

1:43:25

put it on after 10 o'clock and hope

1:43:28

for the best. Well,

1:43:31

that was AEW Dynamite. I

1:43:35

probably should have the ratings and I don't have them in front of me.

1:43:37

I'll pull them up in a bit. Before we move on any further, we

1:43:39

have a couple of updates here. Right

1:43:41

now on Twitter, Housemen

1:43:43

is trending. We're trying to

1:43:45

see what's going on apparently

1:43:48

on his show today. Is

1:43:51

he walking back some of what he said?

1:43:55

Apparently a lot of people seem to think he's

1:43:57

now walking back and he claims. saying

1:44:00

he never actually specifically mentioned Kylie

1:44:03

Rae in any of the things

1:44:05

that prompted everyone to run crazy with it on

1:44:08

Twitter. So you have

1:44:11

to wonder if he's heard from any attorneys

1:44:14

and I have to say I've

1:44:16

said a lot about Chris Jericho. It's

1:44:18

all stuff. It's not

1:44:21

anything like comparing him to Harvey Weinstein. If you

1:44:23

don't have the goods and you're making a comment

1:44:25

like that, I don't

1:44:27

see how Chris Jericho doesn't sue him. How

1:44:29

do you not? But in

1:44:32

old Nick Houseman's, in

1:44:36

his fairness to his interest also,

1:44:39

he didn't say Kylie Rae's name.

1:44:41

He talked about Jericho

1:44:43

signing an NDA, right? And then

1:44:46

other people too. Making other people

1:44:48

sign NDA. Yeah. So maybe

1:44:51

he's trying to differentiate himself from

1:44:54

the rest of

1:44:56

the comments that he elicited

1:44:58

and stands by his comment

1:45:01

about, hey, you make other people sign

1:45:04

NDA's. This is still a developing issue,

1:45:06

a fluid situation. And

1:45:08

like you said, we still have no proof that Jericho

1:45:11

came at anybody naked like

1:45:13

Don Pardo. We have no proof

1:45:15

that Jericho did anything. We also don't

1:45:17

have AEW saying it didn't happen. We

1:45:19

don't have AEW saying this is completely

1:45:22

ridiculous. Chris did nothing

1:45:24

wrong ever. Like

1:45:26

nothing. I don't know if I'd

1:45:28

make a blanket statement like that about anybody. They

1:45:31

gotta say something that keeps festering. Yeah, but nothing

1:45:33

wrong ever. He's only known the guy for five

1:45:35

years or whatever. Well, that's nothing wrong after he

1:45:37

lost the belt the first night that we gave

1:45:39

it to him. But there's the update.

1:45:41

Apparently some people think Nick Houseman walking

1:45:44

back. Other people think Nick Houseman

1:45:46

just reaffirming that despite what

1:45:48

other people ran with, it's

1:45:50

not his story. So we'll see. We'll

1:45:52

add this Jace. You can add this

1:45:54

part to the earlier Jericho conversation. Jim,

1:45:56

one other thing, and then we'll get

1:45:59

back to dynamo. But we got a mix it up. I'm sick

1:46:01

of AW this week. The

1:46:03

Velveteen Dream. Oh boy,

1:46:05

what in the world has he done

1:46:07

now? He has issued a public video

1:46:09

apology. Oh, for what?

1:46:12

Let me set the stage. He's outdoors. This appears

1:46:14

to be in a park of some sort. There's

1:46:16

a facility in the distance

1:46:18

with some truff- Facility? There are

1:46:20

trees. Is there a wall

1:46:22

around it and men with white coats

1:46:24

patrolling? There's not. He is wearing a

1:46:27

camouflage-ish vest and a cap and here's

1:46:29

the Velveteen Dream. Have

1:46:32

you probably seen or heard over the course of the

1:46:34

last few years? I want

1:46:36

to apologize for my behavior. Both

1:46:38

professionally and personally, I always preach those

1:46:40

closest to me about the power of

1:46:43

accountability and responsibility. And I take full

1:46:45

accountability for my behavior over the last

1:46:47

three years of my life. When

1:46:50

narratives were written about me, it doesn't

1:46:53

matter. It didn't matter what was written

1:46:55

about me. It doesn't matter what was said about me.

1:46:58

It doesn't matter what's on the internet

1:47:00

about me. I was wrong. Okay?

1:47:03

And because of that, I need to apologize to

1:47:06

a few people. First, I

1:47:08

want to apologize to the WW organization. I

1:47:11

want to apologize to the WW organization

1:47:13

for any unwanted attention

1:47:17

and negative press that I brought to your brand and

1:47:19

your product. I want to

1:47:21

apologize to the WWE fans and

1:47:23

the Velveteen Dream fans because

1:47:26

when you hear the name Velveteen Dream,

1:47:28

it should have only been spoken about in a

1:47:30

productive and a positive light. Not

1:47:32

the name Patrick Clark as

1:47:35

another statistic of what happens

1:47:37

when talent and opportunity meet

1:47:40

immaturity. Okay? That's not

1:47:42

what you spend your hard-earned money on. It's not

1:47:44

what you invest your time

1:47:47

and your money in. When you look on

1:47:49

the TV and you come to the shows,

1:47:51

you should escape reality,

1:47:54

not have to deal with mine. Let

1:47:56

me stop this for a second. Wow. Now

1:47:58

again, to be fair, and I don't have to. have in front of me,

1:48:00

I believe he previously was

1:48:03

dealing with accusations of some

1:48:06

sort of dealings with an underage

1:48:09

minor. I mean, I think a minor is underage. And

1:48:13

three women and a fucking person. It was

1:48:15

an underage person. I don't even remember if

1:48:17

it was a boy or a girl. Hold

1:48:19

on. I think that was sending pictures back

1:48:21

and forth or whatever. It wasn't like he

1:48:23

was down to elementary school, but he had

1:48:25

a problem also at a tanning

1:48:29

salon or goddamn health spa

1:48:31

or whatever where he got an

1:48:33

argument and they asked him to leave and he wouldn't. They

1:48:35

called the cops and he had some various

1:48:39

issues. And a

1:48:41

lot of it was, you know, he was making

1:48:43

his own headlines there. But

1:48:45

from what he has said so

1:48:47

far, that's about one of the most

1:48:50

grown-up adult fucking responsible statements

1:48:52

I've heard anybody make in the wrestling business. Well,

1:48:54

there's more. Let's go back to this. And I

1:48:56

agree with you. I

1:48:59

want to apologize to the WWE and the

1:49:01

fans. I want to apologize

1:49:03

to Paul Leveque. Paul,

1:49:06

you are such an understanding

1:49:08

and patient man and leader

1:49:12

and getting the opportunity to work with you and to

1:49:14

learn from you. I get the

1:49:16

sense of what makes you who you

1:49:18

are and how you've been able to

1:49:20

handle the responsibility of being in the

1:49:22

public light for such a long time.

1:49:25

I want to apologize to you, Paul. I'm sorry.

1:49:28

Also, I want to say I'm sorry to Shawn

1:49:30

Michaels. Shawn, it's

1:49:34

still beyond me that I've been

1:49:37

having the opportunity in this lifetime to

1:49:39

learn from you, to have your

1:49:41

mentorship and your guidance. And

1:49:46

I apologize if you feel like you've wasted

1:49:48

your time and your energy investing

1:49:51

into me. You have not. I'm

1:49:53

still a work in progress. I'm still

1:49:56

learning. And I remember all the lessons that

1:49:58

you taught me. I'm

1:50:00

sorry. Let me stop it real quick. This is

1:50:02

the greatest apology video I've ever seen in my

1:50:04

life. I'm stunned.

1:50:07

I'm amazed. Yes. Wow.

1:50:10

Let's go back to this. This

1:50:12

is more. My best friend. It's

1:50:16

a Hootie Miles. I want to apologize

1:50:18

to you because

1:50:21

before you were tied to me publicly

1:50:24

for the support you've given me and

1:50:27

you continue to give me, your resume

1:50:29

was impeccable. And I

1:50:31

apologize for any smudges that I may

1:50:33

have put on that resume because of

1:50:35

my behavior. You're

1:50:38

the last person that should have to deal with anything

1:50:40

like that. And I'm sorry, man. I

1:50:43

want to apologize to my family, my

1:50:45

mom, my dad, my

1:50:48

brother, my sister, my

1:50:50

nieces and my nephews because

1:50:53

you may read things. You

1:50:56

may hear about things. You

1:50:59

may be confronted by people

1:51:01

who you don't know and you might

1:51:03

feel the need to explain yourself

1:51:07

on my behalf. I just want you

1:51:09

to know that you do not have to do that ever. No

1:51:13

one should have to explain anything for Patrick

1:51:15

Clark. No one should have to trend because

1:51:17

of Patrick Clark. No one should have to

1:51:19

answer the questions. Where's

1:51:21

Patrick now? What did Patrick do? What

1:51:24

happened with Patrick? That's not your responsibility.

1:51:26

And I don't want you to feel

1:51:29

burdened with that responsibility. Let me

1:51:31

pause. Okay. The plane is in the video. I

1:51:33

was like, is there a plane going over my head? What the fuck is happening? He's

1:51:36

in the park. You got to say he's in

1:51:38

the park. But

1:51:40

again, of

1:51:43

course now the way

1:51:45

that he, maybe it's just he's misspeaking with

1:51:47

the tents but is there something

1:51:49

else he's expecting to come out or is

1:51:52

he talking about the things

1:51:54

that people have talked about in the past

1:51:56

he's trying to make amends for, right? Did

1:51:58

I just misunderstand his tent? I have

1:52:01

to think that's what it is and again, there's a

1:52:03

little bit more that will play here I have to

1:52:05

say he seems composed. He seems yeah very very sober

1:52:07

and somber No, but looking at him too, like you're

1:52:09

not saying like this is a guy who's fucked up

1:52:11

right now or anything He seems like he's really got

1:52:13

his shit together at least from appearances

1:52:15

point of view But let's go back to

1:52:17

the end of the velveteen dream Patrick Clark

1:52:19

apology video It's my

1:52:21

responsibility Okay, and

1:52:24

I apologize to you all for any

1:52:26

energy Negative energy that has

1:52:28

had to come your way because of me

1:52:32

Okay again, I want to apologize

1:52:34

to the fans and Those

1:52:36

in my professional and personal life that

1:52:39

I've affected by my behavior

1:52:46

I'm sorry I'm sorry.

1:52:48

I Recognize

1:52:50

that I was losing myself and

1:52:53

I apologize to anyone that I lost along

1:52:55

the way Anyone that I've

1:52:57

upset or offended because of my behavior

1:53:00

Man, I'm sorry. I

1:53:03

hope you all forgive me Who's

1:53:13

working with him? Holy shit,

1:53:16

that's the best babyface promo I've ever heard in my

1:53:18

life. Yes Um Well,

1:53:21

there you have it. Well, it's good to know

1:53:23

that that he straightened out

1:53:26

whatever his issue

1:53:28

was that was causing

1:53:30

the the situations What

1:53:32

do you think a wrestler should have to do and you

1:53:34

know, it's different today than it was in the past very

1:53:37

clearly to get a second

1:53:39

chance Something like this and again not

1:53:41

even going into the details of what he's been accused

1:53:43

of because I'm not even sure exactly what Happened

1:53:47

as we talked about earlier But

1:53:49

the idea of doing something like this doing it very

1:53:51

publicly Would that entice you

1:53:53

to give him a chance and

1:53:56

you know, maybe on probation? Secret

1:53:58

probation see how it works out What

1:54:00

do you think of this video? Should there be

1:54:03

anything from the wrestling business in return?

1:54:07

Well, you know,

1:54:09

again, he never

1:54:11

says what he's apologizing for. Well,

1:54:14

no, but in the odd, just for

1:54:16

being a general fuckup, maybe he was

1:54:18

on pills, maybe he just, as

1:54:21

he said, immaturity, maybe he thought he was

1:54:23

a big star and he could just act

1:54:25

anyway, whatever the case, right? It's happened before

1:54:28

with various people in show business. It's

1:54:31

harder now, again, in the

1:54:33

territory days, you probably

1:54:35

had a more personal relationship with

1:54:38

the booker or the promoter or the,

1:54:41

you know, one of the boys could come to the

1:54:43

bosses, hey, can we give

1:54:45

old, you know, Zeb a

1:54:47

chance or whatever the fuck? You

1:54:50

know, he stopped drinking or this and

1:54:52

that, or he got rid of that

1:54:54

wife, it was driving him crazy. And

1:54:57

that's the way, you know, guys, but

1:54:59

with a national company and he made

1:55:01

headlines and obviously, you know,

1:55:04

they didn't feel the

1:55:07

need to retain his services. I

1:55:09

think at some point you have

1:55:11

to look like, has he ever

1:55:13

wrestled anywhere but the WWE developmental

1:55:17

system? I

1:55:19

would think he would have to go

1:55:21

out and get booked with some people to, on independent

1:55:25

shows to show that

1:55:27

he can show up, that he's not going to call

1:55:29

bad attention to him if he wants to. Maybe he's

1:55:31

just apologized and he doesn't give a shit about wrestling,

1:55:33

he's going to do something else. But

1:55:36

he can't expect to walk

1:55:38

right back into the WWE before he

1:55:42

goes back to the Toledo Mud Hens and

1:55:44

shows he can show up on time and

1:55:46

still run the bases or whatever the sports

1:55:49

analogies might be. MCW,

1:56:00

so that's Maryland, I believe. Right. Oh,

1:56:03

good. Well, but I'm right now though, I'm

1:56:05

talking about has since he's, you don't

1:56:08

hear about the velveteen dream anymore

1:56:10

or formerly known as, or whatever.

1:56:12

So if

1:56:14

he's been working on himself and getting his shit

1:56:17

together, as it sounds like he has maybe hadn't

1:56:19

been wrestling at all, but I don't think he

1:56:21

could just expect to walk

1:56:23

into the WWE before he proves that he can

1:56:26

do this. Once in a

1:56:28

while at a local level and nothing particularly

1:56:31

bad happens. All

1:56:34

right. Well, that was the live update of the news

1:56:36

that's happening now as we review all the big news

1:56:38

that happened last week. As we get caught up on.

1:56:41

Excellent apology though. One

1:56:43

of the better apologies in the history of

1:56:45

apologizing. People usually don't do that.

1:56:47

You know, when they apologize is a private thing. It's

1:56:49

a, maybe a thing in hushed tones.

1:56:52

That's very out there. I mean, it's a bold

1:56:55

move. That's for sure. Maybe

1:56:58

he's sorry. Maybe he's sorry.

1:57:00

Potentially he's sorry. I'm, I know I'm

1:57:02

starting to regret a few things. Well,

1:57:05

on that note, Jim, I'm trying to

1:57:07

pull up the fucking dynamite numbers. Hold

1:57:09

on. AEW Dynamite that

1:57:11

we just reviewed. AEW Dynamite would add

1:57:13

a fucking in there for YouTube, but

1:57:15

AEW Dynamite, ladies and gentlemen, from

1:57:18

Wednesday, December 27th, 2023 on TVS on average watched

1:57:23

by 843,000 viewers. Wait

1:57:26

a minute. Isn't that what they did two weeks ago? This

1:57:29

week versus the trailing four weeks, the trailing four

1:57:32

week average was 827,000. Last

1:57:35

week was 782. I

1:57:37

know within the week before that was 823 or so. It's

1:57:40

like, it's like the house in

1:57:42

Baton Rouge because of Jimmy Kilshaw, the local

1:57:44

promoter, so 10,600, $10,600. There'd

1:57:49

be a thousand people there, 10,600. It'd

1:57:51

be 3000 people at 10,600. Well,

1:57:53

let's see what you think of these numbers. Again, this was the

1:57:55

go home show for the pay-per-view. Jim

1:57:58

8 to 850. I don't know why I said Jim there. 8

1:58:00

to 815 PM. These were compiled

1:58:02

by Wrestlenomics. Quarter one, John

1:58:05

Moxley versus Swerve Strickland versus Jay White with

1:58:07

picture in picture. 983,000

1:58:09

viewers. Jesus.

1:58:13

So Sheldon again, hands

1:58:15

it off. Sheldon

1:58:17

with the tag. You got a million people there.

1:58:19

What are you going to do with them? Well,

1:58:23

what we're going to do is go to quarter two, 815, 830 PM. The

1:58:26

continuation. Cause that thing was still going on

1:58:29

that match. Yeah. Throughout the entire quarter two,

1:58:31

815, 830 with picture in picture, 869,000 viewers.

1:58:37

Ouch. So a hundred and

1:58:39

14,000 people. So

1:58:43

that's, that's where the real

1:58:45

number starts, right? Basically. That's

1:58:48

what it seems like quarter three, 830 to 845 PM, Danielson

1:58:50

and Eddie Kingston's video,

1:58:54

an ad break, Swerve

1:58:56

and Prince Nana backstage promo,

1:58:59

the Mariah May rant promo,

1:59:02

and then the live angle with Rio and Tony

1:59:04

Storm. Plus the

1:59:07

backstage confrontation between action ends

1:59:09

ready and top flight and

1:59:12

Tremperetta, Orange Cassidy and Rocky Romero.

1:59:14

Yeah. Skip that. I skipped that

1:59:16

on purpose. The other guy on

1:59:18

the show wearing an eye patch.

1:59:21

And then an ad break 839,000 viewers.

1:59:26

Oh, so another 30,000. So that

1:59:28

now we're 144,000 down. It's

1:59:31

only been 45 minutes. They

1:59:33

started with Danielson that quarter. They ended with. Rocky

1:59:36

Romero, two guys with an eye patch in

1:59:38

the same segment. They're the same quarter. What

1:59:41

is the matter with Rocky Romero's eye? I

1:59:44

think he just is a pirate

1:59:46

supporter and enthusiast. Pirate

1:59:48

enthusiast. We're going to

1:59:51

sail off the quarter for anything like a

1:59:53

turd burglar. Maybe so 845 to 9 PM.

1:59:57

The endless Don Callis Sammy

1:59:59

Gavarra. Mara, Callus Family Live

2:00:01

promo, and then the

2:00:03

angle of Chris Jericho, Ricky Starks,

2:00:06

Big Bill, and Sting,

2:00:09

followed by Roderick Strong and the Kingdom's

2:00:11

Backstage Angle, 867,000

2:00:13

viewers. So

2:00:17

they managed to muster back up 28,000

2:00:20

of them. And

2:00:24

now this has been fairly steady. I've

2:00:26

taken out the first quarter because that

2:00:28

was artificial. 869,

2:00:32

839, 867.

2:00:35

They can't keep this up all day. Well

2:00:38

we have the big 9 o'clock hour, 9 to 9 15 pm, quarter five. Brian

2:00:42

Danielson versus Eddie Kingston with picture

2:00:44

in picture. 792,000 viewers.

2:00:49

Ouch! Hey, Danielson and

2:00:52

Kingston, because it's a tournament

2:00:54

match. They're both technically nominally babyfaces. And why

2:00:56

do people want to sit there and watch

2:00:58

them kick shit out of each other for

2:01:00

15 minutes for no reason? And

2:01:04

8 to 6,75,000 people agreed. Well

2:01:08

the match continues into quarters 6, 9 15 and 9 30

2:01:11

pm with picture in picture ads and

2:01:15

then the post-match with Jon Moxley. 832,000

2:01:18

viewers. Also

2:01:20

the high point in the key demo, 433,000 between 18 and 49. And

2:01:27

what in the world do we attribute to 40,000

2:01:30

of them coming back?

2:01:34

Was it the remarkable

2:01:36

backhand slap finish or?

2:01:39

I think the callous angle drove them away

2:01:41

before the 9 o'clock hour and then 9

2:01:44

o'clock hour comes on. It's

2:01:46

Danielson versus Kingston having this match. I

2:01:48

think that match came back

2:01:50

for it. Some of them came back for that. That's what

2:01:52

I think. Well, you may be

2:01:54

right. I forgot about the

2:01:57

fallus effect. We will continue

2:01:59

things again. here with quarters

2:02:01

7, 930 to 945 p.m.

2:02:04

John Moxley and Eddie Kingston's live promo,

2:02:06

an ad break, the

2:02:09

Christian Cage Adam Copeland backstage angle,

2:02:12

and the beginning of Statlender versus Sky

2:02:14

Blue with picture in picture, 794,000 viewers.

2:02:20

And they're back under 8,

2:02:23

but again 869, 839, 867, 792, 832, 794, they've... This

2:02:32

is remarkable. They have

2:02:34

kept much of their audience

2:02:36

for the first time in what months? They're

2:02:39

only down... Again, you got to

2:02:41

take the first quarter out of it because they're down almost 200,000

2:02:45

from the first quarter, but they're not even down 80,000 from

2:02:48

the second quarter.

2:02:52

Well, let's go to the final quarter with an

2:02:54

overrun 945 to 10 p.m. Quarter 8. Statlender versus

2:02:59

Sky Blue continued, the

2:03:01

post-match with Julia Hart, Willow Nightingale,

2:03:04

and Abaddon, the Ruby

2:03:07

Soho Sariah and... I forgot

2:03:09

about Abaddon. The

2:03:11

Ruby Soho Sariah and a J

2:03:14

backstage angle, and an

2:03:16

ad break, 781,000 viewers. Well

2:03:21

that's a gift that that didn't lose

2:03:23

any more than it did of 13,000. That's the low

2:03:27

point of the show, but it was the on-screen low

2:03:29

point of the show. And finally, 10 to 10.06 p.m.,

2:03:33

the overrun, the Samoa

2:03:35

Joe backstage angle where him and MJF

2:03:38

take on the devil's masked men,

2:03:40

and then his

2:03:42

promo, 807,000 viewers. So

2:03:47

26,000 people showed

2:03:49

up thinking they were going to watch Gardening or

2:03:51

whatever comes on after that and like, what the

2:03:53

fuck is this? I

2:03:55

don't think it's Gardening on TBS after

2:03:58

Dynamite. Okay. We've

2:04:01

got to get to the root of the

2:04:03

matter here. From now on, we got to

2:04:05

start dis-including the

2:04:07

overrun and the artificially

2:04:09

inflated first

2:04:11

quarter and doing averages based on what

2:04:13

they really fucking get for a viewership

2:04:16

for this program. Quarters

2:04:18

2 through 8 and the

2:04:21

average would probably be

2:04:23

significantly lower. Well

2:04:25

they're about to be helped. I just saw the ad that

2:04:28

Vanderpump Rules is coming back but it's gonna be on Tuesdays.

2:04:31

Well how's that gonna help them? It's not

2:04:33

gonna be on Wednesdays. Against them. Oh

2:04:36

I thought you meant for a lead-in. No I

2:04:38

meant to destroy them. Why can't they figure it

2:04:40

out where they can have this

2:04:42

Vanderpump fellow lead right

2:04:45

into AEW and then

2:04:47

they'd get the Vanderpumpers and the Big Bangers. God

2:04:49

damn it sounds like a fucking Roman Orgy. You

2:04:52

know all kidding aside if you know that Vanderpump

2:04:54

is the one show destroying you and the

2:04:56

ratings. Why not throw a bunch

2:04:58

of money at one of those idiots and get them on your

2:05:00

shell and try to get some publicity out of it and

2:05:03

ruin their show in the process. Either

2:05:05

that or just fucking Brad Vanderpump say

2:05:07

move over to fucking Thursday. What's

2:05:10

it gonna hurt you? Well Jim those

2:05:13

were the dynamite ratings. Let's quickly move

2:05:15

on now to some other topics. There's

2:05:18

a big one coming up I'm gonna ask you about

2:05:20

shortly but first Jim I wanted to get your thoughts

2:05:22

on the news that broke this past week the passing

2:05:25

of Killer Con. And

2:05:27

for a lot of the

2:05:29

folks who

2:05:31

aren't old enough or who weren't around at

2:05:34

that point, Killer Con

2:05:36

was probably most famous in

2:05:39

America for he had the run

2:05:41

with the WWF in 19... What

2:05:44

was it? Was it 79-ish,

2:05:46

80-ish, 81-ish? What was the

2:05:48

date of Entrez broken? 81-82. At

2:05:51

that time frame where

2:05:53

Andre the Giant had an accident

2:05:56

outside the ring and broke his ankle but

2:05:59

because... he had to be

2:06:01

out for a period of time, they

2:06:03

actually incorporated it, they blamed Killer

2:06:06

Con for it and even

2:06:08

showed some footage of Andre with his doctor

2:06:11

and the size of his cast and then

2:06:13

made something out of it. And that

2:06:15

was unheard of at that

2:06:18

point in time that anybody could injure Andre the

2:06:20

Giant. I don't think it had ever been done,

2:06:22

at least not on any widespread,

2:06:24

maybe in Montreal in the early days.

2:06:28

So that got him over with that

2:06:30

audience, he had a ton of heat but he

2:06:33

was a real

2:06:36

Japanese wrestler

2:06:38

and worked Japan for periods

2:06:40

of time both when he broke in and then

2:06:43

later on when he went home to bookend

2:06:47

his United States

2:06:49

excursions. But he

2:06:52

was huge for the

2:06:56

Japanese wrestling scene, he was much

2:06:59

bigger than almost anybody

2:07:01

except Baba, so he got

2:07:04

over that way and then

2:07:06

had the Mongolian look when that

2:07:08

was fashionable over here

2:07:10

in this country with the ponytail and the

2:07:12

whole nine yards and the big

2:07:15

chops. What did you think of his screeching? I

2:07:17

guess that's the best way to

2:07:19

call it, the best thing to call it,

2:07:21

screeching. Yes, he had, yes, it was a

2:07:24

screech kind of like a

2:07:26

larger more intimidating looking guy doing

2:07:29

cactus jacksaw, you know, at that

2:07:32

level. And

2:07:34

didn't he then, I mentioned

2:07:37

he went back home and wrestled in

2:07:39

Japan when his run

2:07:41

in America was done where he'd worked all

2:07:43

kinds of territories. He was in Dallas for

2:07:46

quite a while, wasn't he? Wasn't he part

2:07:48

of Akbar's gang

2:07:50

of foreign misfits at one point? Yeah, well

2:07:52

he was with Akbar in Mid-South and then

2:07:54

he went to world-class and actually if you

2:07:56

remember there's a great match, I'm sure it

2:07:58

must be available. Morty and Killer-Con!

2:08:00

With Kerry Von Erich as the referee, and

2:08:02

this is before the Freebirds had officially turned

2:08:05

Babyface, and it's the first Freebird

2:08:07

Von Erich handshake. It's Terry Gordy at the

2:08:09

end, covered in blood, after one of the

2:08:12

most brutal matches of the 80s, shaking

2:08:14

hands with the Von Erich. Well, the

2:08:16

Von Erich, with Kerry Von Erich. Well

2:08:19

he was THE Von Erich at the time, to

2:08:21

all the fans. But what a match! One of

2:08:23

the most brutal, bloody matches, but in the ring,

2:08:25

like not like around the arena with chairs. Yeah.

2:08:30

In Dallas, you couldn't go around the arena with

2:08:32

chairs, or you'd have come back in the ring

2:08:35

with knives, sticking out of your ass. Fucking

2:08:38

idiots. But anyway,

2:08:40

for a big man, he was a great

2:08:42

worker, and he had the intimidating look. And

2:08:46

then, but at the same time, when

2:08:48

he went back home,

2:08:51

he didn't just work a gimmick, he was

2:08:53

a good worker. And then

2:08:56

I guess, he owned a restaurant, right? For

2:08:58

some period of time over the last number

2:09:00

of years, since he's been retired from the

2:09:02

ring, that some of the

2:09:04

boys would visit from time to time. Not just owning

2:09:06

the restaurant, I believe he was the chef in the

2:09:09

restaurant. Well there you

2:09:11

go, he wasn't just the owner, he was a customer.

2:09:14

He wasn't, no, well yeah, well no! That's

2:09:16

not how that works. Well that's how the

2:09:19

Hair Club for Men fucking spot went. I'm

2:09:22

not Joe, I'm not just the president, I'm

2:09:24

a customer. I don't know how you link

2:09:26

someone still. Well he wasn't with Killer Com.

2:09:29

Because he wasn't just the owner, he was the

2:09:31

chef. One of the best big men,

2:09:33

I guess, in America during

2:09:35

that era. Because he had a second run with Hogan in

2:09:38

like 87, I think. Oh

2:09:40

that's right, I forgot about that. He was

2:09:42

on one of the, oh

2:09:44

god damn it, you're probably better with the WWF history

2:09:47

than I am. But wasn't

2:09:49

he, didn't they do an angle on one of

2:09:51

the Saturday night's main events? Am

2:09:53

I thinking about somebody else? You may be thinking about somebody

2:09:56

else, but you may be thinking about- But I never met

2:09:58

Killer Con in case you were gonna ask that. question

2:10:00

I'll preemptively strike. Never

2:10:03

met him believe it or not. When

2:10:06

he was in Dallas before we got

2:10:08

there and Mid-South before we got there

2:10:10

and then WWF before I got

2:10:13

there, he was

2:10:15

a trailblazer. He was always there first.

2:10:19

Speaking of trail blazers, I don't

2:10:21

know how much talking I'm gonna do for the next hour or

2:10:23

so. There was

2:10:25

a topic in the middle of

2:10:28

the tsunami of Chris Jericho related

2:10:30

stories and AEW drama

2:10:32

stories. All of

2:10:34

a sudden the news, I thought this was

2:10:36

gonna be the one to pull you back early. Kevin

2:10:39

Dunn out at

2:10:41

WWE. I believe Mike

2:10:43

Johnson was the first person to report it. That

2:10:45

Kevin Dunn had given his notice. That

2:10:48

his last day was the first

2:10:50

or as of the first, I guess the 31st.

2:10:53

And then Nick Khan yesterday as

2:10:55

we are recording, put out

2:10:57

a statement or sent a missive to

2:11:00

everyone on their email chain in the

2:11:02

company saying that Kevin had

2:11:04

departed. So I'll read you that in a bit but what

2:11:06

will your... I'll sit back,

2:11:08

say whatever. It's Kevin Dunn. This is

2:11:10

one of your big ones. Oh come

2:11:12

on. Now see now, you've built up...

2:11:15

you've built up this false fucking expectation

2:11:18

that I'm not gonna be able to

2:11:20

fulfill or to follow through with and

2:11:22

adhered the problem is that it

2:11:25

wasn't a fall

2:11:28

from grace. It wasn't

2:11:30

a goddamn... See that's

2:11:32

what everybody was saying. Oh what's Jim gonna say about

2:11:34

this? He's gonna have a lot of pleasure. No, he's

2:11:36

a 70 year old man that's

2:11:38

made tens of millions of dollars from this

2:11:41

company through no talent of his

2:11:43

own and now he's

2:11:45

gonna go off to fucking play polo

2:11:47

ponies and watch other people

2:11:49

have women sign NDAs. He

2:11:54

wasn't caught with compromising

2:11:57

pictures of him having inappropriate

2:11:59

contact. with a goat and run out of

2:12:01

town on a rail. See, that's

2:12:03

the thing we knew. The rumors

2:12:06

had been out there for some time

2:12:08

that when

2:12:10

Triple H or Stephanie took over

2:12:12

that they'd probably have their own

2:12:14

people in. Well, they never really took

2:12:16

over. But at

2:12:18

the same time, the thought was out there

2:12:20

that Kevin Dunn would be gone if Vince

2:12:23

was ever gone. And

2:12:25

Vince wasn't gone long enough before to test that

2:12:27

theory. But it

2:12:29

makes sense from a company

2:12:32

standpoint with the new ownership but also

2:12:35

from Kevin Dunn's standpoint. Not

2:12:37

only was everybody says he didn't want to

2:12:40

work for anybody but Vince, that's right, because

2:12:42

Vince put up with Kevin Dunn being

2:12:45

Kevin Dunn. He's not a popular person,

2:12:47

he's not a people person, he's a

2:12:49

miserable person. And I mean, look at

2:12:51

the physical state of him. He's 70

2:12:53

and he wants to fucking go away with his tens

2:12:55

of millions of dollars that he got because

2:12:58

he was figured in when

2:13:00

Vince took this thing to new

2:13:03

heights. If it

2:13:05

was Hollywood, there are

2:13:07

goddamn people in

2:13:10

the television industry and Kevin Dunn's line

2:13:12

of work or

2:13:14

in movies or whatever that

2:13:17

have never made a iota of

2:13:19

the percentage of money that Kevin

2:13:21

Dunn has but are infinitely, infinitesimally,

2:13:24

exponentially better at their

2:13:27

jobs. It's because Kevin's

2:13:29

been there for 40 years and

2:13:31

he insinuated

2:13:33

himself up under Vince's

2:13:36

armpit or outer

2:13:39

sphincter ring or whatever he penetrated

2:13:41

on Vince that

2:13:43

led to him being there for 40

2:13:45

fucking years in that position. And

2:13:48

he profited

2:13:51

from the stock deal over 20 years

2:13:53

ago and has continued to

2:13:55

profit from it and

2:13:58

then now he's profited the most from it with the

2:14:00

big sale, he had still

2:14:02

a significant portion of stock. So he's

2:14:05

made ridiculous amounts of

2:14:07

money that I'm not

2:14:09

saying that any goddamn jackoff

2:14:11

that runs the Ferris wheel at the

2:14:13

county fair could do

2:14:15

Kevin Dunn's job. From

2:14:18

a standpoint of dealing with the budgets and

2:14:20

hiring the crews and overseeing

2:14:22

all the different departments of production

2:14:24

and all that boring bullshit. That

2:14:29

as far as having not

2:14:31

only a vision for

2:14:34

wrestling that differed in any way from Vince

2:14:36

McMahon's that was never going to happen. As

2:14:39

a matter of fact, many of Vince McMahon's

2:14:42

worst instincts were either

2:14:46

the seed was planted or they were

2:14:48

watered by Kevin Dunn. Laughing

2:14:52

that anybody would ever present this

2:14:54

in a sports like presentation. But

2:14:57

also you just talk to anybody in television

2:15:00

or anybody in filmmaking or anybody in any

2:15:02

kind of broadcast and

2:15:04

nobody stays in a job like that for

2:15:06

40 years unless they own the fucking thing.

2:15:11

And that was brought up when I was working there 20

2:15:13

years ago. They can't believe he's been there 20 years. But

2:15:17

nevertheless, he's leaving on his

2:15:20

own terms. He don't have to work for anybody

2:15:22

else because Vince made him rich and

2:15:24

now TKO, Endeavor,

2:15:27

whoever it is, they

2:15:29

not only want a different look probably for

2:15:31

the programs but they want a younger guy

2:15:33

in charge because how long seriously is he

2:15:35

going to live at this point? I

2:15:39

mean that's not even being cruel. That's just being a

2:15:42

statistician working for an insurance company. You keep

2:15:44

saying that 70, is he that old? Well

2:15:47

he's got, he's look at him and look

2:15:49

at me. He's

2:15:52

got to be older than me. Look

2:15:54

it up. How old is he? I

2:15:56

don't fucking know. And God

2:15:58

damn it, you know what used to. could be able

2:16:00

to tell what kind of condition he was in

2:16:02

by just checking his teeth, but then he got

2:16:04

those fixed. But

2:16:07

nevertheless, he's made a ton of money.

2:16:09

They want a new guy. They want

2:16:12

a younger guy. Maybe this will mean

2:16:14

that there will be a different look to the

2:16:16

program and not in terms of how

2:16:18

many cameras they're going to use or the

2:16:20

way they're going to light the building, but

2:16:22

maybe in terms of presentation, are the

2:16:26

announcers going to be able to interview talent again

2:16:28

or do the talent still have a free range

2:16:30

to just walk to the ring with a microphone?

2:16:32

Because it's been so long now, that's the way we

2:16:35

do it. Or

2:16:37

are they going to reevaluate this thing and bring

2:16:39

it back to a really

2:16:42

high-def, glossy, new presentation

2:16:45

of what it used to look like

2:16:47

before all the sports entertainment horseshit took

2:16:49

over? The personalities

2:16:51

could still get over it would

2:16:53

probably be easier because you could get

2:16:56

lost in the presentation better. Does

2:16:58

it concern you when people get jobs

2:17:00

in wrestling that trained under him that

2:17:02

may have his philosophy? Yes, yes,

2:17:06

because you don't... That's

2:17:08

the thing. I'm not saying he can't

2:17:10

teach anybody anything about producing television. I'm

2:17:13

saying it would be the worst thing

2:17:15

ever that he ever taught anybody anything

2:17:17

about how to think about wrestling. And

2:17:21

there was the problem. I wouldn't

2:17:23

have had nearly the problem with Kevin Dunn that I

2:17:25

did if he was

2:17:27

like the head of production

2:17:29

at every other wrestling company and just

2:17:31

shot the shit. But

2:17:34

he had opinions with Vince that Vince would

2:17:36

take seriously on the

2:17:38

talent, on the

2:17:40

angles, on how don't

2:17:42

get too rasslin' if you tried to

2:17:45

make people believe shit. That

2:17:47

was what needed to be snuffed out

2:17:49

and unfortunately never was. And

2:17:52

that's what we've got a lot of this shit now

2:17:54

that we look at as a matter of course that

2:17:56

came from that way

2:17:58

of looking at wrestling on TV. television. Well,

2:18:02

let's talk about his early days. He was a

2:18:05

young beaver when Vince McMahon discovered him,

2:18:07

because they say, I mean, how true is it that

2:18:10

Kevin Dunn's father, Dennis

2:18:12

Dunn, saved the company. I mean,

2:18:15

that's the way it's been presented. It saved the

2:18:17

company because he rescued the tapes out of a

2:18:19

burning car. Yeah, no, the company was never at

2:18:21

risk. What happened was... And it was so loyal

2:18:24

that they said, we're gonna give your son a

2:18:26

job forever and make him one of our top

2:18:28

executives. Well, hold on

2:18:30

cowboy. What

2:18:32

it was, was that I... And I heard that

2:18:34

story, which at that time was only not

2:18:37

even 15 years old when I got there.

2:18:40

But Dennis Dunn, Kevin Dunn's father,

2:18:42

was one of

2:18:45

the heads of production back in

2:18:47

the days of the WWF when

2:18:49

they taped in Hamburg and Allentown,

2:18:51

Pennsylvania. That's outside production though, because obviously they

2:18:54

didn't have their own in-house production team or studio

2:18:56

at that point. But Dennis Dunn's one of the

2:18:58

people that used to head up

2:19:00

the production facility where they did post and

2:19:03

they did other things down in Washington. Do

2:19:05

you remember hearing about that? I

2:19:07

believe so, yeah. Yes, and that's where,

2:19:10

because Kevin Dunn's from Washington and that's

2:19:12

where Vince Senior's original

2:19:14

Capital Wrestling, Capital Wrestling, imagine that,

2:19:17

was incorporated in Washington, blah, blah,

2:19:19

blah. Point is, Stanford

2:19:21

didn't come in until later on.

2:19:24

So Dennis Dunn was driving the tapes

2:19:26

back from Hamburg or Allentown or whatever

2:19:28

and his fucking car caught on fire.

2:19:31

And as the story goes, he risked

2:19:34

singed hands and

2:19:36

bony fingers to get the TV tapes out of

2:19:38

the trunk or else wise, it would have cost

2:19:40

him back in those days

2:19:42

a pretty penny to shoot

2:19:45

a TV and pay for everything and pay the

2:19:47

boys and not have anything show for it. But

2:19:50

it didn't save the company, but that

2:19:52

was the start of loyalty

2:19:55

or even more furtherance of

2:19:57

loyalty between Vince

2:19:59

Senior and Dennis

2:20:01

Dunn and also Vince Jr. because he was

2:20:03

at the time, he didn't

2:20:06

own the company yet, but he was the TV

2:20:08

announcer. He was on the shows, right? He'd

2:20:11

have had to do all that shit over again. And

2:20:14

then probably because Kevin Dunn,

2:20:16

who is Dennis Dunn's son, they brought

2:20:18

him in in

2:20:20

the early eighties to be some type

2:20:22

of associate producer, and

2:20:25

then he invents for whatever reason, hit it

2:20:27

off probably because of their disdain

2:20:30

for anything approaching professional wrestling.

2:20:34

And Kevin moved

2:20:36

up in the ranks to where you see

2:20:38

him 40 years later, a 70 year old

2:20:41

reformed beaver who has just

2:20:43

retired with one week's notice. So

2:20:47

how old is he? Did you find that? He is 68

2:20:49

years old. Kevin Dunn is

2:20:51

68 years old. Get to be

2:20:53

68 fucking years old. Somebody calls you 70. You

2:20:56

can't get too goddamn insulted. Well,

2:20:58

here's a statement that Nick Khan sent

2:21:00

to WWE staff and talent. I believe

2:21:02

it was put out there by Sean

2:21:04

Ross Sapp. After

2:21:06

40 plus years of helping to

2:21:09

build WWE and hands

2:21:11

down the best production and

2:21:13

media unit in the entire sports

2:21:16

and entertainment business, Kevin

2:21:18

Dunn will be leaving our company as

2:21:21

of today. Before

2:21:25

WrestleMania one. Eddie, seriously, like this came

2:21:27

out like in a week, right? And

2:21:29

from not even a week from the

2:21:32

start of the announcement, Kevin Dunn is

2:21:34

retiring to new year's day. He's done.

2:21:37

Before WrestleMania one, Kevin

2:21:40

joined Vince at WWF. Many

2:21:43

of us remember a pre-Wrestlemania

2:21:45

WWF, a regional wrestling

2:21:47

company that looked like a regional wrestling company.

2:21:50

Then we experienced WrestleMania

2:21:53

one, whether live on

2:21:55

closed circuit or years later

2:21:58

elsewhere. was magic.

2:22:01

A regional wrestling company had become

2:22:03

a global sports entertainment juggernaut. Vince

2:22:06

led the way side by

2:22:09

side with Kevin Dunn. Joined

2:22:11

at the hip like

2:22:13

a conjoined twin. When

2:22:16

many of us were kids standing in line

2:22:18

waiting to play Pac-Man, Kevin

2:22:20

was already on the road, breaking

2:22:23

his back to help build our company. When

2:22:26

you... So that's what happened to him physically.

2:22:28

I wondered why he was hunched over like

2:22:31

that with that Renfield stature. When

2:22:33

you see our product now, there

2:22:35

is nothing that comes close to its look or feel. 52

2:22:39

weeks a year, three to four

2:22:41

times a week. It

2:22:43

is singular and truly special. No

2:22:46

other company can or will

2:22:48

do that. And that is because of

2:22:50

Kevin and our media team's

2:22:52

hard work, smarts and

2:22:55

determination. We

2:22:57

are forever grateful to Kevin. He

2:23:00

will always be part of the WWE family.

2:23:03

Paul and I will be having an in-person

2:23:05

meeting with the media team at Raw in San

2:23:08

Diego today at noon and

2:23:10

with our superstars at 1230. We

2:23:13

look forward to seeing many of you there and we

2:23:16

look forward to crushing 2024

2:23:18

together with all of you. You

2:23:22

know what would have been great? What would have been

2:23:24

great if he'd have sent that email out and then

2:23:26

had the in-person meeting with the production team where he

2:23:28

said, okay, that fucking no

2:23:30

good piece of shit's out of here, that

2:23:33

goddamn demanding, commandeering motherfucker,

2:23:35

now we're gonna have fun. Just

2:23:39

a change in tone. Well,

2:23:41

it'll be very interesting. He

2:23:43

is right that so much of the look has been it's

2:23:46

Vince, but it's Kevin Dunn. So

2:23:48

many of the things that a lot of people like

2:23:50

me complain about, the staleness, the sameness, the crappy

2:23:53

music, whatever it may be, a

2:23:56

lot of that's been Kevin Dunn. This

2:23:58

is gonna be the first real test. I mean, Vince is gone.

2:24:01

Obviously, they're gonna go after

2:24:03

somebody that had experience in live

2:24:06

sports, one would think because that's the

2:24:08

only thing that compares to this from

2:24:11

a television production

2:24:13

standpoint, you can have shot,

2:24:16

goddamn, the highest rated

2:24:20

sitcom or the highest rated dramatic

2:24:22

program or you've produced The Walking

2:24:24

Dead or whatever, but the

2:24:26

WWE is closer to a

2:24:28

live sporting event still

2:24:31

than anything else in television or broadcasting and

2:24:33

you've got to get somebody with that background.

2:24:36

They're doing live remotes from

2:24:39

the field or the court or wherever. They're

2:24:42

not shooting shit on a set, say

2:24:44

that three times quick. Like

2:24:48

Kevin Dunn had none of that background. They

2:24:51

started out just his father was

2:24:54

the post-production guy. So

2:24:56

they're gonna go to a, I would

2:24:58

think a heavily experienced live

2:25:01

event, live sports director.

2:25:05

One WrestleMania, Timmy Walbert, the director

2:25:07

who later on worked

2:25:10

for TNA and actually came and

2:25:12

helped us in Ring of Honor a couple of times

2:25:14

because he lived in Maryland just as a favor. He

2:25:18

did a 22 camera shoot

2:25:21

at one WrestleMania, a live shoot

2:25:23

with 22 cameras. You

2:25:27

need to not only, Kevin

2:25:29

Dunn a lot of times gets credited as

2:25:31

the director of the program. He's

2:25:34

not. The

2:25:37

actual director is the guy who sits there

2:25:39

and says to the

2:25:41

technical director, ready three,

2:25:43

take three. Kevin Dunn is

2:25:46

overseeing everything, but he's more of

2:25:48

the time than sitting there calling

2:25:50

cameras. He's fucking

2:25:53

chewing on his goddamn snacks in the

2:25:55

announcers here going, okay, the

2:25:57

package is coming up. 30

2:26:00

seconds. That's a

2:26:03

producer, not a director. So

2:26:06

where was I going with that? I think it

2:26:08

would actually hire in-house because it's such a unique

2:26:11

thing. It's hard to go out and get someone just from

2:26:13

sports because they have to understand a whole lot more than

2:26:15

that to do it. It seems like

2:26:17

the kind of job where you almost have to bring someone

2:26:19

up who's been there for a while. Well,

2:26:22

the, the, the thought was it was going to

2:26:25

be the Michael Mansouri fellow, and he's already now

2:26:27

gone to AW where he's got nothing to work

2:26:29

with. To ruin that show. Yeah. Great

2:26:32

job over there. But it's, you know, that's

2:26:34

the thing is who, who somebody's

2:26:37

got to know who all our cameramen are

2:26:39

everywhere and who all our vendors

2:26:41

are everywhere and who, who to get the

2:26:44

lighting in Portland, Oregon and what the fuck,

2:26:46

you know, and that is

2:26:48

an acquired knowledge over years and years if Kevin's

2:26:50

been the only one doing it and

2:26:53

hopefully he shared some of the information with the

2:26:55

other people. But I'm, I'm wondering because

2:26:59

Endeavor doesn't know any of these people

2:27:01

yet. Do they think,

2:27:03

okay, we're going to bring in Johnny Hotshot

2:27:06

that fucking produced a goddamn Superbowl a couple

2:27:08

of years ago. You

2:27:11

never know. And don't forget the

2:27:13

influence of Dick Ebersole and

2:27:15

the NBC sports production team

2:27:19

on what became the look of WWF, because

2:27:21

there's a clear line from what it looked

2:27:23

like in 85 as they were

2:27:25

trying to expand before NBC and

2:27:27

after NBC. That was the

2:27:29

thing. And then by 87 post-indicated

2:27:31

shows or by late 86, they

2:27:34

had the big arena look. Shoot

2:27:36

big people from below. And

2:27:39

you know, big arena, make everything look bigger than

2:27:41

it was. And that was Kevin Dunn. That

2:27:43

was Kevin Dunn, even before he was the

2:27:46

top guy in production. He was there for that whole ride.

2:27:49

But it's going to be, it's going to be interesting

2:27:51

to see, but again, you've got

2:27:53

a tale of two cities. The

2:27:56

AEW VPs are failing

2:27:59

for very. reasons having to do with

2:28:03

not doing her and

2:28:39

produce it that way that would be the first

2:28:42

UFC show when they got the Fox deal

2:28:45

and I came now it was god

2:28:47

damn it who tried to kill

2:28:50

the guy that molested his kid

2:28:52

help Cain Velasquez he was in

2:28:54

he was in the fight against

2:28:56

somebody who's escaping me now

2:28:58

but this was back when I was in TNA

2:29:01

so this was 15 years ago but

2:29:03

they had a one-hour special

2:29:06

on on Fox and

2:29:08

that was the the the

2:29:10

big fight that they were hyping for the title and

2:29:14

it was their network debut and

2:29:17

from the graphics

2:29:19

and the way they presented the program

2:29:21

and the packages they did to explain

2:29:23

to a new audience to a new

2:29:25

network TV audience the rules of this

2:29:27

sport and who the

2:29:29

fucking major players were and the announcers

2:29:32

established themselves and as in color

2:29:35

I think Junior dos Santos might

2:29:37

have done color because he's the

2:29:39

guy that's gonna get the winner of tonight's main

2:29:41

event match for the world title and

2:29:44

I said my god if

2:29:46

somebody had taken Bill Watts's

2:29:49

vision of professional wrestling and

2:29:51

done a network production like

2:29:53

this it could

2:29:55

be huge and

2:29:57

then they had the fight and

2:30:00

it reminded me why that wrestling became

2:30:02

a work because the fight lasted 45

2:30:04

fucking seconds. And

2:30:07

then they had to fill fucking time. And

2:30:10

yes, I know those things happen, but the

2:30:13

debut on network TV, if Ada

2:30:15

had a three-round slobber knocker, holy

2:30:18

shit, but instead it... And

2:30:22

that's why, but that just reinforced

2:30:24

my opinion if somebody could do

2:30:26

what they Fox Network that night

2:30:28

did for the UFC to a

2:30:30

new broader audience with wrestling instead

2:30:32

of this goddamn hokey, you

2:30:35

know, inside the actor studio bullshit

2:30:37

that we've got now, you

2:30:40

could hook people and then you could really

2:30:42

play on their emotions and then you

2:30:45

could get heat when you were kicking a

2:30:47

shit out of that good-looking fucking baby Fay,

2:30:49

etc. Just like we

2:30:51

did a hundred years ago. They could do it all

2:30:54

over again. But instead

2:30:56

we've got Alas, poor

2:30:58

Yorick. If

2:31:01

Vince tries to ever do anything outside of

2:31:03

WWE or God forbid makes a run at

2:31:06

taking it over again, will

2:31:08

Kevin Dunn be there by his side? I mean

2:31:10

when you say he's 60, 80, he's almost 70,

2:31:12

he's leaving, does that mean he won't

2:31:16

come back if Vince calls? Well... And

2:31:20

by the way, I breaking news, Bruce

2:31:22

Prichard has handcuffed himself to a tree

2:31:26

in front of the new offices. He said I'm not

2:31:28

going anywhere. It's the Magnolia

2:31:30

tree down the street from from Titan

2:31:32

Tower. I remember that one. It's

2:31:36

a big if. I

2:31:38

don't personally believe that there's a

2:31:40

chance that Vince McMahon will do

2:31:42

ever do anything else in wrestling

2:31:45

or the wrestling space as they say,

2:31:47

but the

2:31:49

WWE. However,

2:31:54

just from the, you know, goddamn things we've seen,

2:31:56

I guess you can't rule out the realm of

2:31:58

possibility. He might try to tell you. take the

2:32:00

thing over again, because

2:32:03

he's still in that mix. If Vince

2:32:05

McMahon called Kevin Dunn and

2:32:08

said, I've just driven my fucking car

2:32:10

into a ravine, come to

2:32:12

fucking banger main and pull me out with

2:32:15

your teeth. He would be there. But

2:32:18

I don't think Vince will ever do anything but the

2:32:20

WWE. And I think as

2:32:22

the clock ticks, the idea that he might

2:32:24

try to take the whole thing back over

2:32:26

somehow is probably fading.

2:32:30

Well, with that, we say goodbye to Kevin

2:32:33

Dunn. Does this open a

2:32:35

door? Does this open a door for you coming back? Oh,

2:32:38

God damn it. No,

2:32:41

what the fuck? Again, he's

2:32:44

older than I am. He said, fuck

2:32:46

it, I'm done. Uh,

2:32:49

but no, it doesn't open a door

2:32:51

for me to go back because I'm

2:32:53

still not any younger. It's

2:32:56

not a time machine. And I can't take joy

2:32:58

in Kevin

2:33:01

Dunn leaving when he's been made a

2:33:03

multimillionaire by business, that he was always

2:33:06

pissed off that he was in because they always

2:33:08

wanted to win Emmys. He

2:33:11

wanted to be recognized as a great

2:33:13

TV producer, not a great wrestling producer.

2:33:16

And for

2:33:19

what they did and the budgets they had

2:33:21

to keep and the amount of people

2:33:24

they had to hire, I'm sure he was

2:33:26

a wonderful television producer, but on the, his

2:33:28

effect on what you saw and

2:33:30

or what you got to see from wrestling

2:33:33

was not anything to brag about. So

2:33:37

I take no joy in him leaving with

2:33:40

his head held high in his bank account

2:33:42

full. I wanted

2:33:44

the pictures with the goat. Well,

2:33:47

there's still time, but Jim, moving

2:33:50

on from... That goat's getting old. You know, the

2:33:52

prime, the prime breeding

2:33:55

time of a goat is

2:33:58

short with their adult life. I did not

2:34:00

know that. I don't know too much about

2:34:02

the breeding styles of goats, no. So we

2:34:04

ain't got much more time. We're gonna get

2:34:06

those pictures for that. Goats gonna be completely

2:34:08

worn out and good for nobody. Well

2:34:11

Jim, Kevin Dunn used to produce a show called Monday

2:34:13

Night Raw. I don't know how much of this you

2:34:15

saw, how much we have to talk about, but the

2:34:17

big thing everyone's talking about, the

2:34:19

return of the Rock. It was billed

2:34:21

as a former WWE Champion will be

2:34:23

returning. Jinder Mahal came

2:34:26

out, did

2:34:28

a very interesting promo.

2:34:30

He was good for what he said, although

2:34:32

I think timing in place it

2:34:34

seemed a little bit ridiculous. And

2:34:37

then it led to the return of Dwayne Johnson, the

2:34:39

Rock. And we could

2:34:41

talk about the segment, but did you watch more Raw than

2:34:43

that? Or are we just talking about this? No.

2:34:46

I just got a soup son,

2:34:48

just a mere steak tartare of

2:34:51

Raw. And of course there

2:34:53

was another thing that made news there

2:34:55

that I'm going to reference that I did watch

2:34:57

the clip of this. Poor

2:35:00

old, goddamn what's his

2:35:02

real name now? I get DaVinci. DaVinci

2:35:07

of Imperium. They

2:35:09

had to stop a match. And I

2:35:13

know everybody was praising the referee, and he did

2:35:16

a good job there for what they tell them to do. But

2:35:18

did you happen to see that? Or should I describe it for

2:35:20

you and everybody at the same time? You know what? I was

2:35:23

kind of in the middle of other things, but I had it

2:35:25

on the background, and I looked up and I was like, wait,

2:35:27

what the fuck's happening? And I rewound it and watched it again.

2:35:29

So I did see it. Well,

2:35:31

here is... Because normally I wouldn't

2:35:33

pay attention to this match, I'm sorry to say. Well,

2:35:36

and then, you know, you wouldn't be

2:35:39

alone. It was Jey Uso and somebody.

2:35:41

I can't remember against... Kofi Kingston. Kofi

2:35:43

Kingston. Against DaVinci and

2:35:45

Marcel Marceau or whatever his partner's

2:35:47

name is. And they

2:35:49

did a spot where as DaVinci was going to

2:35:52

jump, it did jump off the turnbuckles and kind

2:35:54

of a jump up and turn around thing, like

2:35:56

he's going to cross body or do something to...

2:36:00

Kofi jumps up and drop kicks him. And

2:36:04

boom, down goes DaVinci and

2:36:06

stays there. It

2:36:09

wasn't the drop kick. It

2:36:12

was the... If

2:36:14

you watch it back, he's

2:36:17

reversing his momentum. He's

2:36:20

going forward into the drop kick and

2:36:22

then suddenly he's got to go backwards

2:36:24

from the drop kick. Then

2:36:27

he whiplashed the back of his head down on

2:36:29

the mat and apparently instantly knew,

2:36:33

well, I'm not going to get up. And

2:36:36

apparently the referee saw what the

2:36:39

guy's face looked like and you saw they got

2:36:41

a close up of Jey Uso on this move

2:36:43

and Jey Uso's face, oh shit. So

2:36:46

apparently they could tell that he rung his bell

2:36:48

on the mat and the referee went

2:36:51

right over there and was down and everybody was

2:36:53

selling and he was talking to the guy and

2:36:55

he did the X sign and

2:36:58

they had literally just come back from a break like

2:37:00

10 seconds before

2:37:02

this because the match was in progress for

2:37:04

a while. They come back from

2:37:06

a break into that spot, down, boom, and

2:37:09

they're there. And

2:37:11

so I think the

2:37:13

baby face, Kofi rolled over and tagged Jey,

2:37:15

I believe, and just at that point the

2:37:17

referee called for the bell and stopped the

2:37:19

whole thing. I

2:37:22

don't know who was supposed to win. I assume

2:37:24

the baby faces, so they did win anyway. I

2:37:28

don't know how much longer they had to go, but they knew

2:37:30

the rock was coming up. I'm sure he could pad the time.

2:37:35

But at the same time, it was

2:37:38

kind of an expose because you've

2:37:41

never seen two guys more unhappy

2:37:43

about winning a match than the

2:37:47

baby faces that won the match. You

2:37:50

could almost see them like cussing, like, well fuck,

2:37:52

this is bullshit. It stopped our

2:37:55

match. They

2:37:57

don't know how to react when shit happens.

2:38:00

supposed to happen. It

2:38:02

was even more obvious that this

2:38:04

is a complete fuck-up, that their Uso

2:38:07

and Kofi are standing there going, oh

2:38:09

shit. They didn't raise their

2:38:11

hands, they didn't try to get the people involved

2:38:13

in cheering for them to not

2:38:16

feel bad about

2:38:18

this guy laying there with his

2:38:20

bell rung. Then after

2:38:24

they stopped the match, once

2:38:26

the doctor had checked DaVinci, they saw

2:38:29

him in the camera shot walking back

2:38:31

holding his head but walking down the

2:38:33

side of the ring under his own

2:38:35

power. That

2:38:37

was flat too. They've got to be

2:38:40

able to improvise when shit happens. I'm

2:38:43

not saying to let

2:38:46

anybody work when they're injured, right? I'm not

2:38:49

saying to get the guy back up, fuck

2:38:51

the brain damage. I'm

2:38:53

saying everybody else still has to play their

2:38:55

part enough to think that what would this

2:38:57

be like if this was happening but it

2:38:59

was a shoot. If

2:39:02

it was a shoot, the babyface wouldn't want to

2:39:04

go back in for the cover but the referee

2:39:06

would wave it off, call for the bell. What?

2:39:08

The babyfaces realized we won. Hey, we won. Yeah,

2:39:10

fuck you. You were trying to

2:39:13

fuck us up and

2:39:15

then the partner could come in and he

2:39:18

could take a couple of fucking bumps. As

2:39:20

they're pending to

2:39:23

the injured guy on the side,

2:39:25

the partner could come in and improvise, go

2:39:27

over and spin a babyface around, slap him

2:39:29

in the face, boom, let bing, bing, bing,

2:39:32

shoot off, backdrop, whatever the fuck to get

2:39:34

the people thinking about

2:39:37

something else besides this guy got brain

2:39:39

damage or not, make

2:39:41

it a little bit more exciting, not

2:39:44

make the babyfaces look like just

2:39:46

putzes and not cast

2:39:49

a cloud over everything but yeah

2:39:51

it's phony bullshit and that guy's

2:39:53

really hurt. Does

2:39:55

any of that make any sense? Again,

2:39:59

it all happened on the floor. they reacted on the

2:40:01

fly but you would think- Everything happens on the

2:40:03

fly! You would think they could have done something

2:40:05

where you still had one competitor who was standing

2:40:07

and two others, you

2:40:09

could have done something so that it wasn't just,

2:40:11

alright, let's all go back to the locker room

2:40:13

now. Yeah, just, it's

2:40:15

over. And again- Referee

2:40:17

stoppage was the official announcement.

2:40:19

Yes, referee stoppage and the

2:40:21

people who won the match

2:40:23

were upset about it because

2:40:26

it wasn't what they had planned to do. But

2:40:29

everything happens on the fly. My

2:40:32

first year watching wrestling live at the gardens,

2:40:35

I saw a guy break his leg and

2:40:37

they were supposed to win. So

2:40:39

the guy with the broken leg, the baby faces, and

2:40:42

his partner had to figure out a way where before

2:40:45

he could get out of the ring, they

2:40:47

could tend to that leg that was flopping

2:40:49

around, he had to win! So he won! Crazy

2:40:53

Luke Graham hit Tommy Gilbert in a fucking throat

2:40:55

with the taped thumb and he fell backwards over

2:40:57

the guy with the broken leg. One, two, three.

2:41:01

Now get me to the hospital. Sounds like

2:41:03

a regular coda-abushi over there. Well, things happen

2:41:05

on the fly. What do you think about

2:41:07

this though, considering this comes on the heels

2:41:09

of Tony Khan's comments about being the safest

2:41:11

company in the world to work for their

2:41:13

track record on safety? We'll play the exact

2:41:16

quote later on. The question about concussions,

2:41:18

Moxley brought it up previously

2:41:20

after he was concussed and then worked a

2:41:23

long match and got pile-driven twice. I

2:41:26

can't even say it without laughing, it's so ridiculous. But

2:41:28

that match happened, that match kept going. This

2:41:31

match literally instantly stopped.

2:41:34

A lot of it's about the referee and

2:41:37

what they're thinking, what they're

2:41:39

being communicated, or what's being communicated to

2:41:41

them I should say. What do you

2:41:43

think about this just in terms of the general sea

2:41:46

of change, I guess, around concussion protocol? Well,

2:41:50

it ain't ballet and

2:41:52

things happen and

2:41:55

especially in a big money

2:41:57

match, there's the the effort.

2:42:00

for everybody involved to work through it to get

2:42:02

as close as you

2:42:04

can to what you were supposed to get, right?

2:42:07

And in other times, it's

2:42:09

a goddamn cold TV match. Just

2:42:12

stop the fucking thing right there and

2:42:15

everybody should know how to react and work

2:42:17

around it where it doesn't look like a

2:42:19

big expose. But here are

2:42:21

the more important point that

2:42:24

nobody has brought up is this. I'm

2:42:27

not talking about making

2:42:29

hurt people work or stopping it too

2:42:32

soon when it's a minor injury that

2:42:34

could be sorted out later or anything

2:42:36

in between. Did you

2:42:38

see the dropkick in the bump? Yeah,

2:42:41

because they replayed it, so I did see it. How

2:42:43

did it look to you? Which

2:42:46

part? The idea that that was

2:42:48

the move they decided to do, it seemed like it was

2:42:50

a bad idea to begin with and then the dropkick seemed

2:42:53

like it pushed him back. Yeah,

2:42:55

well I mean you're calling what

2:42:59

happened, but how

2:43:01

did it look as far as of

2:43:04

all of the wrestling that we've watched in

2:43:06

the last two weeks, what

2:43:08

was going to be the move that a motherfucker wasn't

2:43:10

going to get up from? Where would

2:43:12

that have ranked on that list? Pretty

2:43:15

low. Pretty low. Because

2:43:18

it can happen. And

2:43:21

that's where the idea of taking

2:43:25

a plausible bump and selling

2:43:27

it came from.

2:43:30

You didn't have to be thrown off

2:43:32

the roof because everybody knows, kind of,

2:43:35

as they reach adulthood that if you get

2:43:37

your head hit the right way, or if

2:43:41

you take a bump over the top rope like

2:43:43

Buddy Rogers gets your foot stuck in a water

2:43:45

bucket, or some freak

2:43:48

thing, it doesn't have to look

2:43:50

like that a human body would

2:43:52

be burst into goddamn a million

2:43:54

pieces for somebody to

2:43:56

be incapacitated. This

2:43:58

was an innocuous bump

2:44:00

as bumps go in wrestling these days.

2:44:03

Buddy hit his head. And

2:44:07

so therein lies

2:44:09

the lesson. You don't

2:44:11

have to do a shooting star

2:44:13

press off the top rope through

2:44:15

a table wrapped in barbed wire

2:44:17

sitting on a concrete floor, and

2:44:21

then get up and limp for 10 seconds. When

2:44:25

you can take any kind of a bump,

2:44:28

if you build to it

2:44:30

right and you do it right and it

2:44:32

looks good enough, you

2:44:35

can sell it as believable that you were

2:44:37

hurt. So

2:44:41

this was one of the

2:44:44

pissiest looking bumps on the whole show.

2:44:46

But it was the

2:44:48

one the guy couldn't get up from, which

2:44:50

as long as you tell that story in

2:44:52

wrestling all the time, it can

2:44:55

happen anytime

2:44:58

in any way. Somebody

2:45:00

can, you know, three seconds is all it

2:45:02

takes to get pinned. One

2:45:04

bump is all it takes on your head to

2:45:06

get knocked out, whatever the case, then

2:45:09

you don't have to fucking mutilate

2:45:11

yourself over and over every goddamn

2:45:13

day. And if

2:45:15

this shouldn't be a lesson, I

2:45:18

can't imagine what it that so that was again

2:45:21

on the list of dangerous bumps number 984 on

2:45:23

a list of 1000, but it's

2:45:28

the one in Noctem Goofy. So

2:45:31

why don't they concentrate

2:45:33

on selling these type of

2:45:35

things more instead

2:45:38

of not selling shit that

2:45:40

looks like that you would kill any normal

2:45:43

fucking human? It doesn't make

2:45:45

sense, does it? You know, it's like the disconnect

2:45:47

if you think back to the 80s. Ricky

2:45:50

Morton's strong suit was his selling. He was

2:45:52

great at everything. Right. But it was

2:45:54

his selling. Remember when

2:45:56

Rock and Roll Express got booked in all Japan? Ricky

2:46:00

Moore is a great wrestler. Yes. Robert

2:46:02

Gibson is a great wrestler. You know, really good. Well,

2:46:05

Ricky's great. I don't want to put Robert down, but

2:46:07

Ricky was great. Robert stands

2:46:09

in the shadow of, you know,

2:46:11

and that's why, but Robert, especially in his younger

2:46:13

days, and his wonderful

2:46:15

teacher as well, but go ahead. And a physical guy.

2:46:17

Everyone always talks about what a tough guy was. Their

2:46:21

success was their ability to

2:46:24

manipulate the fans and

2:46:27

get them, the fans emotional. Around

2:46:30

Ricky selling. Get the sympathy.

2:46:33

Be a snazzy, well-versed

2:46:36

tag team combination of two

2:46:38

young, good-looking guys with

2:46:40

some snazzy moves, and then one

2:46:42

of them is isolated and is

2:46:44

beaten half to death, and the

2:46:46

other one desperately tries to get

2:46:49

the tag. And then

2:46:51

finally when that happens, through

2:46:53

some type of Hail Mary, they either

2:46:56

come out victorious and slide out of the

2:46:59

ring with the heels wondering what happened, or

2:47:01

they get the shit kicked out of them

2:47:04

and swear to come back and get even. That's

2:47:07

the formula. And Ricky Moore can, during that

2:47:09

match, get punched, shoved, shoulder

2:47:11

tackled, and he can fly across the

2:47:14

ring and he can sell something. Yes,

2:47:17

I've seen him take three bumps for one punch

2:47:19

and it didn't look phony. They went to all

2:47:21

Japan and were getting hit. You

2:47:23

know, it's not a shoot, but all of a sudden they have to,

2:47:25

you don't have to take a bump, you're going to take a bump.

2:47:28

You're about to be run over. And

2:47:31

it was a completely different style, and I

2:47:33

like all Japan and I like Japanese wrestling,

2:47:36

especially from the 80s and 90s, but

2:47:38

it wasn't the right fit. That

2:47:40

was the difference between American style and

2:47:43

Japanese style. Unfortunately,

2:47:45

that Japanese style, whether

2:47:48

it was the men's or the women's wrestling, has

2:47:51

kind of infiltrated America, even

2:47:53

though there really wasn't a big fan demand

2:47:55

for it. And now they're finding out that

2:47:57

the same thing applies in reverse. It don't.

2:48:00

work the other way either. Ricky

2:48:04

and Robert were selling fucking buildings

2:48:06

out across the country with that

2:48:08

formula. Didn't fucking work in Japan.

2:48:10

They couldn't

2:48:12

grasp it because that wasn't their culture

2:48:14

over there and the style that they were used

2:48:16

to. And now because the

2:48:19

American wrestlers became fans of what they

2:48:21

were doing over there, they try to

2:48:23

bring it over here and it

2:48:25

don't work either. The other way

2:48:27

around. People want to see an

2:48:30

underdog. They want to see a baby face. They

2:48:32

want to see a fucking struggle. They want to

2:48:34

see all the emotions of these. They

2:48:36

want a reason to watch the fight. Why are

2:48:38

they mad at each other? They want their wrestler

2:48:40

not to be injured so they could see him.

2:48:43

Yes, they want all those things.

2:48:45

And that's why that what

2:48:48

works here don't work yawn and what

2:48:50

works yawn don't work here. That's one

2:48:52

of the big problems America got away from

2:48:54

what made American wrestling work for America. And

2:48:57

now it's just kind of what the most

2:49:00

super hardcore wrestling fans want American wrestling

2:49:02

to be. America didn't get away from

2:49:04

it. The American wrestlers got away

2:49:07

from it and the American fans said, what the fuck

2:49:09

are they doing? We used to like this shit. Well

2:49:12

Jim, speaking of things that fans used

2:49:15

to like and still do, the very

2:49:17

popular Rock returned to Monday Night

2:49:20

Raw. As I mentioned

2:49:22

earlier, Jinder Mahal giving a promo,

2:49:24

a speech about how much he

2:49:26

hates America out of nowhere and how

2:49:29

awful and disgusting. He was getting some real

2:49:31

booze. It sounded like that's military

2:49:33

town that someone was ready to jump the

2:49:35

rail or something. It sounded like it. No,

2:49:37

and here's the thing. They

2:49:40

may have stumbled onto something here but they won't

2:49:42

capitalize on it. The Rock was

2:49:46

two hours away at a football game

2:49:49

from where they were doing Raw and obviously they

2:49:51

got a chance to have him come. So they

2:49:53

put out that a former champion will return and

2:49:56

people wonder who gonna be, who gonna be, and then have

2:49:59

a good one. in the building

2:50:01

comes gender Mayhall and

2:50:03

the people were shitting on it. Ah fuck, we

2:50:05

thought it was gonna be somebody we liked and

2:50:08

they shit on him and they even

2:50:11

said, why are you disappointed? And they

2:50:13

started what-ing him and

2:50:16

they were just shitting on it, they weren't gonna

2:50:18

like it and they started what-ing him. And what

2:50:20

this was designed for was

2:50:22

just for him to come out and cut an

2:50:25

anti-American promo that's as old as the hills so

2:50:27

that then when the rock

2:50:29

came out, obviously

2:50:31

he's on the other side and the

2:50:34

people would be happy, right? But

2:50:36

I don't even know if the writers,

2:50:39

the young writers these days that they

2:50:41

have, if anybody realized this and maybe

2:50:43

gender Mayhall knew that I

2:50:45

might be able to make something out of

2:50:47

this because as he started in on

2:50:49

the thing, he started

2:50:52

as you said, he started getting real

2:50:54

heat and they started to listen

2:50:56

and they started getting

2:50:59

pissed off instead

2:51:01

of the what and the bah. He's

2:51:04

a big ugly motherfucker, he's

2:51:07

a foreigner but Brian,

2:51:09

you know the old rule of

2:51:11

thumb about heels

2:51:14

lie and baby faces tell the

2:51:16

truth, right? That's a rule of thumb

2:51:18

in wrestling. Right. Do you

2:51:20

know when that rule can be violated? When?

2:51:24

When it's an arrogant,

2:51:26

obnoxious, foreign menace telling

2:51:30

the truth about the United States and

2:51:34

that gets heat. He

2:51:37

said you've never been more

2:51:39

divided, your politics, your news,

2:51:41

the misinformation, the ignorance. This

2:51:43

country was once a superpower and now it's

2:51:46

a joke and that's

2:51:48

when they started fucking, oh fuck

2:51:50

you and that's the thing

2:51:53

is right now they're... And

2:51:55

it's a military town, San Diego

2:51:58

is a military town. You could

2:52:00

do it anywhere. You could do it anywhere.

2:52:03

In that right now, if you had an American

2:52:06

wrestler go

2:52:09

out and be a Democrat or

2:52:11

Republican, he would

2:52:13

only be a heel to half the crowd, right? Because

2:52:17

as far apart as those two things are,

2:52:20

and we know all the reasons why, if

2:52:23

you speak anything related to

2:52:27

Republican ideology to a Democrat, you're going to

2:52:29

be a fucking heel and vice versa. Whether

2:52:33

you're telling the truth or not, because

2:52:35

Republicans are disgusting and Democrats are usually

2:52:37

right, but nevertheless, if

2:52:40

you get a foreign heel, especially

2:52:43

one that we've been mad

2:52:45

at recently, the Germans kind of become

2:52:47

baby faces again, and

2:52:50

he tells the truth about this country,

2:52:55

gender may hold, they really started booing

2:52:57

him. He struck a nerve. He

2:53:00

started to speak in Punjabi, and

2:53:02

then when they booed him,

2:53:04

he revealed that they just booed the words

2:53:06

to the United States national anthem. That

2:53:09

was he, right there when he said that. I'm like,

2:53:11

ooh, if anyone's going to shoot him, it's now. And

2:53:15

if you had a guy like that

2:53:17

come out and say you had a

2:53:19

fucking criminal for your president, he's

2:53:22

now being charged with fucking

2:53:24

felonies, he's going

2:53:26

to prison, all of

2:53:29

you are disgusting criminal pigs, then

2:53:33

even the fucking Republicans

2:53:35

or even the Democrats would

2:53:37

get mad, because yes, Trump was

2:53:39

a criminal pig and we hope he is going

2:53:41

to prison, but fuck you. You're

2:53:44

pointing out in front of the world that

2:53:46

goddamn, we elected a criminal fucking

2:53:48

pig to be the president, and

2:53:51

fuck you, your country's worse. You see where I'm

2:53:53

going with this, no matter what the situation, an

2:53:56

American can't do it, but a foreigner can. He

2:53:58

can tell the truth about all It's the

2:54:00

same thing as a heel

2:54:02

going to town and

2:54:04

knocking the local sports team for being

2:54:07

losers only magnified millions of times over.

2:54:11

You get a foreign heel that can talk and

2:54:13

he can come out and tell the truth about

2:54:15

everything that's wrong with the country and

2:54:17

how they were all at each other's throats

2:54:20

because a bunch of people are ignorant, believe

2:54:22

misinformation and want criminals to be in

2:54:24

charge and I don't care what party you're on. You

2:54:27

don't like that guy. And they'd

2:54:29

have to bring him out of the building in bulletproof

2:54:32

fucking cars. A, I don't

2:54:35

think it would last very long because I think eventually

2:54:37

it would get too much pressure about doing it that

2:54:40

a company like CAA or you know

2:54:42

TKO will say we can't run with

2:54:44

this, let alone the networks. No,

2:54:47

this would this would have been good old-time local

2:54:49

wrestling where you'd started riots but you can't do

2:54:51

it on national TV because they're too touchy. The

2:54:53

second thing is, and I thought this was the

2:54:55

best I've ever seen, Jinder Mahal even though I

2:54:58

get the material maybe somewhat questionable, it

2:55:02

seemed to me like this was a one and done. Did you think like

2:55:04

he was going to do more of this? I mean, they brought him out

2:55:06

there and then immediately he got

2:55:08

squashed. No, that's what I'm

2:55:10

saying. They only set this up purely as

2:55:12

a bait and switch, you know, a tease

2:55:14

where they announced a former champion was going

2:55:17

to come and then surprise him with the

2:55:19

rock and he gets to beat somebody up.

2:55:21

But do you think they were scared? I

2:55:23

mean, the fact that they had to load this up so

2:55:25

much to get a babyface pop, which I mean,

2:55:27

they're gonna get a massive pop for the rock. Do

2:55:30

you think it was too much? No,

2:55:33

because it was actually good

2:55:35

for once because normally it's the Miz coming

2:55:37

out and making canned smart ass remarks and

2:55:39

then some legend coming out and beating him

2:55:42

up until he switched babyface. This

2:55:44

was somebody you really

2:55:46

wanted to see the rock come out and beat the shit

2:55:48

out of him by the time he got finished. It was

2:55:50

fucking great. And

2:55:52

that's the thing, I

2:55:55

wrote if this guy could work, he'd be the

2:55:57

hottest heel in the company. could

2:56:00

come out there and kick his ass right away and grab the

2:56:02

mic and said head of the table and walked out it would

2:56:04

have been great. Well

2:56:06

but... Instead we had the worst of Brian

2:56:08

Gewertz. You not only had to get the

2:56:11

quarter hour but also you had to make up for

2:56:13

the match that got cut short. And let's

2:56:17

face it also with the way

2:56:19

that Raw goes these days if you can get

2:56:21

20 minutes of the Rock that's better than fucking

2:56:24

20 minutes. If you promised everybody will come

2:56:26

to your house and individually let you have

2:56:29

sex with fucking strippers.

2:56:32

I just want to see the Rock for 20

2:56:34

minutes. No, no way. Give me a break. Alright,

2:56:36

maybe half the audience. Now he's here. I mean

2:56:38

come on. So when

2:56:40

he went into gender Mayhall, went

2:56:42

into... And now I'm

2:56:44

gonna speak more Punjabi about what the

2:56:46

rest of the world thinks of because

2:56:48

he could say the entire rest

2:56:51

of the world thinks you're all idiots. You

2:56:53

had a buffoon for a leader, it

2:56:55

turned you into a fucking clown show,

2:56:58

you were a joke. Nobody respects you,

2:57:00

you'll never get it back. Again,

2:57:03

people don't want to lynch this son of a

2:57:05

bitch. But anyway, here

2:57:07

comes the rock music and the people

2:57:10

lost their fucking grip. Did you see

2:57:12

coats and things being flung in

2:57:14

the air and people hit their feet because... What's San

2:57:16

Diego? I don't know how many coats there were. Well

2:57:19

whatever the case, I saw

2:57:22

things go up in the air. But

2:57:25

to point it, maybe it was just people waving

2:57:27

their hands and probably like they didn't care. But

2:57:31

the point is, normally you would expect

2:57:33

this to happen but he had gone

2:57:35

on long enough that I think they'd

2:57:37

kind of given up on something

2:57:40

like that happening and then when they hit the

2:57:42

music they milked it great and people lost their

2:57:44

fucking minds. Coincidentally

2:57:46

at 9.56 p.m. Eastern

2:57:50

when Rock started making his entrance but by

2:57:52

the time he finished milking and the chants

2:57:54

and the cheers, he didn't speak

2:57:56

for four minutes so he spoke at the 10

2:57:58

o'clock hour. I mean,

2:58:01

they're right on- they can time this down

2:58:03

to a fucking f***ing hair's difference. And...

2:58:08

Then Rock did his thing. He told

2:58:10

gendermayhall that he wasn't the Iron Sheik.

2:58:13

That his Iron Sheik would say, Bubba, you had

2:58:15

no good son of a bitch, jabroni bastard. This

2:58:18

was so lame, it's so bad. You have to call

2:58:20

it out. Oh, come on! You have to call it

2:58:22

out. It was so awful. It's-

2:58:25

it's the Rock! He's lame! He's- he's

2:58:27

turned into a lame-o! This is Hogan

2:58:29

coming back in 93! He

2:58:32

can read a cookbook! It doesn't

2:58:34

matter! This is

2:58:36

the worst material ever. It doesn't matter! He talked to the

2:58:39

Sheik in the sky! It doesn't matter. Now you're talking to

2:58:41

the promo! He talked to

2:58:43

the Sheik in the sky! He told

2:58:45

gender that he had a raging asshole

2:58:47

face. Instead of a resting bitch face,

2:58:50

he knocked his movie Baywatch. He

2:58:53

defended America and got the USA

2:58:55

chant going. And

2:58:57

then he got

2:58:59

the one side of the arena to chant

2:59:01

Day One and the other side of the

2:59:04

arena to chant Douchebag forever.

2:59:06

They would- if he'd have said in

2:59:09

10 seconds everybody on the left side of

2:59:11

the arena is gonna start

2:59:13

blowing everybody on the right side of the arena,

2:59:16

Data had to turn the cameras off. No, that wouldn't have

2:59:18

happened. Why would that be- They

2:59:20

wouldn't do anything he says! They're gonna be so

2:59:22

sick of this righted up idiot in a few

2:59:25

weeks, you'll see. There was

2:59:27

nobody in San Diego that was sick

2:59:29

of anybody. They were Day One Douchebag,

2:59:32

Day One Douchebag. Because the chant is

2:59:34

fun! They're an audience that'll sing Seth

2:59:36

Rollins' music until he lays down. Hey,

2:59:40

but here's the- imagine that

2:59:42

fucking- the average fucking yahoo

2:59:44

on the AEW roster came out in front of

2:59:46

a full building in San Diego and said I'm

2:59:48

gonna tell you what to chant and I want

2:59:51

you to do it. No, this is literally what

2:59:53

MJF was just doing a few weeks ago. I

2:59:55

said the average douchebag. But I said it didn't

2:59:57

work. I mean, remember when MJF was doing a

2:59:59

hoodie?

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