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Hello again friends, and
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happy new year! And I
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know this sounds crazy, I think I hear a gardener
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in the background, but welcome to another edition of Jim
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Cornette's drive through the first of 2024, maybe the most
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daunting episode we've ever had to
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do. There is too
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much to talk about,
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and we will struggle our way through talking
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about all of it, with this
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man, the leader of the
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Cult of Cornette, Mr. Vacation himself, Jim
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Cornette. Too much brought too
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much time on my hands is a
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phrase that I have not uttered lately,
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for the past several years as a matter of fact.
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I have not been sitting on a bar stool talking
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like a damn fool. I do
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not have too much time on my hands
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ticking away at my sanity. What's ticking away
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at my sanity is these
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lunatics will not stop doing shit stupid
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that we have to talk about.
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And we could have come back two
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days after the breaking
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news update, the day after Christmas,
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two days after what? We recorded
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it the day after Christmas, yeah. Yeah, the point
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is we could have come back, but we said
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no, no. Let's
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let the people listen to somebody
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else talk for another couple of
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days. It can't
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get any worse than, and then it
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got worse. Or the path,
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the pay-per-view, and
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the injuries, and
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the fiasco's, and the shenanigans,
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and the accusations that
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have been running rampant and roughshod
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all across the world of, well, I
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can't say the world of professional wrestling. It's
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centered on one particular ground
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zero location. But
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so we're going to, what we're going to do,
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because this is your show, Brian, and far
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be it from me to lead you in any
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way on your program, but I just wanted for
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the people. who thought that we
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were going to be able to sit back and talk
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about our restful holidays and how
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many frolics and belly rubs Harley
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had and how many
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times you sent your children out to
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shovel snow. But instead,
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we're not, we're gonna save that for the
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experience this coming weekend and we're gonna talk
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about all the shit that's gone on since
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we last spoke to
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all of our many listeners out there, the
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Cult of Cornet. There
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are so many things I want to talk to you about, so
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many things the listeners, I can't even get going
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yet, so many things the listeners want to hear you
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comment on but there's too much, I mean I'm looking
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at my list here and as I'm doing that I'm
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thinking of other things that I forgot to add to
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this. Yeah
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it's too much. Thank you. Well thank
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you very much for joining us ladies and gentlemen,
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So where we last
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left everyone with the Christmas
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special, the Chris Jericho
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Christmas Meltdown edition of the
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show, was Chris
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Jericho decided for whatever reason to
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at four o'clock in the morning on Christmas,
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trying to go after Steven P. New, it
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didn't turn out well for me. And don't
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forget Lucy! Don't forget Lucy! He
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slandered the good name of Lucy
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Guy! He grouped her
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with a with disgusting
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behavior and ill
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intent by William Folly. Yes.
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Well I guess that's where we'll begin,
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where we left off, Chris Jericho,
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because his Christmas meltdown was not
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the end of what was a... it's
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still ongoing, I guess, a disastrous week
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for Chris Jericho. We've
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all heard, ''And something for once we
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had nothing to do with. We
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weren't even there. We were at home,
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not broadcasting.'' I had some fun with it on Twitter and
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to anyone who was offended about me having fun with it
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on Twitter, go fuck yourself. I don't give a shit what
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you think. It's funny because Chris Jericho is
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a boob and a phony and this is... this
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idea that he's in the middle of drama
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that he caused by himself is not surprising.
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We've heard so many stories over the years
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about Chris Jericho's behavior. We've talked about some
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of them on the show. Usually
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it's about we assume
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drunken, we've been
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told and we've read loud screaming
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matches, behavior, fights, music playing
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in hotels, getting kicked
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out of hotels. We've seen
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it... Can
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I just make a comment here since it is
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a new year even though it's your show. What
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about me? Everybody
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thinks I'm a raving lunatic. I'm a
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violent psychopathic individual
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just having turmoil everywhere
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I go. And
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what if I have a yelling contest
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with somebody, I turn
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it into a halfway entertaining story
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on the podcast and tell it myself.
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Jericho ends up on TMZ. He's
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asked to leave by hotel staff,
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escorted out by Jondarmz,
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told by rental car agents.
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I guess you're fucked. I mean,
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hey Derek, there's
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always some kind of goddamn- what the fuck? And
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that's just what's public and even some of the
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stories we've talked about on the show because we've
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heard more. We've heard dozens more. Not
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about women, I just want to clarify. Just about
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behavior. Just about
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he appears to think that he is a
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member of Led Zeppelin in the early 70s.
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And he's also the toughest guy ever because I heard
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a story, man, there's a story I would love to
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tell but someone would have to give me permission about
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him getting knocked out on his own cruise ship. Someone
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he'd mouth off to. It's
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the most incredible fucking story. But
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I can't talk about that today. But my point is, a
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lot of the stories we talked about, even the one
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I think was Ireland or Scotland, I forget where, where
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he got kicked out of the hotel, got into a
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fight, he was walking the streets, whatever it was. We
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heard that when it happened. And we didn't talk about it
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because it was so outlandish. Then we
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started hearing about it from other people, from
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other perspectives, the same incident. So
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there's been all these things. Remember one of
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the friends, the cops that actually fucking showed
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the body camera. That's right. And
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then I said, can you do that? And then we had
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a plethora of listeners right in to
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explain how easy it was for a cop to
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show somebody body camera footage if they want to.
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But again, these were all things about drunken
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behavior, losing the AEW championship as soon
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as he won it, going
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out to drinking, losing the belt right
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away. I mean, just
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all these things, everyone knows what's up. It
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took a turn when Jericho started
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arguing with Stephen P. knew about the idea of
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an NDA. And he stated that he's never signed
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an NDA. He doesn't adhere to the handbook because
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he was there in the room. He
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placed himself in the room at Brawl
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Out and nobody asked him to sign
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an NDA. And he wouldn't do such
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a thing because he's a renegade. You
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know, he's a renegade and he'll never
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be any good. Um,
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and that's what started this. Stephen
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P. knew said, well, you
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have an employee handbook that kind of
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covers the behavior or whatever the
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case. And he, oh, no, I don't. Well, and then we
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sent the picture of the handbook and
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he apparently, he
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just, he has to
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insert himself in a situation that
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he wasn't in to call
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attention to himself for a situation that he
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may or. may not allegedly be
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actually in! Yeah,
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well, again, to go
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back to this, we've never talked about
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stories about Chris doing
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anything to women we haven't really heard that much about
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that. We've heard about him. There's
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always rumors about people doing things to women, but
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nothing against their will, let's just say. The
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story- Well, you know, when you're a rock
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star and a wrestler, you can be a
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Lothario without being a... what
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do they call him over across the pond? A
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sex pest. Well, you gotta be careful with that.
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That's the Joey Ryan defense. I
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was just living a rock star lifestyle and
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just- Well, but actually, you
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know, even if you think that
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Jericho's singing is akin to a
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cat being disemboweled on Broadway, he's
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still more of a rock star than Joey Ryan
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was. That's right.
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Although, he's horrible as a musician and
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he can't sing. But beyond that,
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he was a- I'm more of an
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astronaut than my Aunt Lola, because I've been
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farther off the ground. Go
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ahead. I'm just being silly today
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because these people are grabbing me insane! Nick
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Hausman responded to Chris Jericho's tweet. Nick Hausman,
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to the best of my knowledge, wasn't involved
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in all this, saying, what
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about NDAs you make other people sign? We
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talked about that on the last show. There's
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a mysterious comment. What does that mean? Who,
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as Chris Jericho, asked to sign an NDA, and
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why? This led to
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some people, and I'm gonna pull up the tweets, going
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back to something from 2019, from
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the beginning of AEW, one of the first
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AEW stars signed, was
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someone you may remember, Kylie Rae, I believe was
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her name. Yes, not to be
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confused with there was also a Kylie Rae,
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I think, at one point. I think she
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was on the very first pay-per-view. It was
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real early- it was before Dynamite. It was the early,
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early days of AEW. They weren't yet on TV. And
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despite seemingly
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being presented as one of the
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top women there, she quickly... left
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the company and left wrestling it seemed like for a
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time to reappear and at
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times leave other companies which
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always made people wonder what's going on I
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believe. And if I'm wrong
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I apologize but I believe she has spoken in the past or
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at least on social media written
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about struggles with mental health
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which is certainly something you feel
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bad when you hear about you hope someone deals with it. And
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also something that you don't need in
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the wrestling business so if she
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did leave wrestling and I don't know if she's
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wrestling now but she's as you mentioned she left
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a couple of companies probably to deal with that
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because you can't do both at once. Let's
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face it. So this
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Jericho stuff caused people to go to
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this Kylie Rae stuff. Apparently
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back in 2019 when
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things happened at
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least amongst wrestling insiders there were rumors
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that something may have happened. Now
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she has not said anything. The
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only thing I've seen from her was
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she gave a star a... I guess not a
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star heart. Not
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a star heart or whatever the
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Twitter like is. Like a happy
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heart emoji
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thing. She's done
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that to a couple of the things about this. But
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let me go to the actual Twitter order
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of events. Nick Hausman went
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on his show which he has and he
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said that there are a lot
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of stories about Chris Jericho that will find
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their way out over time and that
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people when they're ready to tell
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those stories they will and then
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he compares Jericho to Harvey Weinstein. Harvey
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Weinstein for those who... That was this physical
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appearance or behavior? Because I mean Chris has
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put on a few pounds but come on.
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Again I think there needs to be some
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clarity or is it about just the idea
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of someone powerful who's brought down. Harvey Weinstein
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specifically raped a bunch
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of women. Sometimes in their own home
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but probably famously notoriously
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in his hotel room. He would get them to come back
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to his hotel room by whatever
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means necessary and then assault them.
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We're not saying that. I just want to say this right now.
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Nick Hausmann said it. We're talking about it. That
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sounds like it does sound even if... I
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don't think anybody could accuse us of being
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Jericho's press agents but that does sound a
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little extreme. But that's... I just
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want to make sure whatever comes out comes out. I'm
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not the one saying Jericho's Harvey
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Weinstein. I don't know it
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for a fact but a lot of people saying it.
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What are you doing? Just go out and tell... What
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does what did what did Nick Hausmann have to say
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now that you've credited or blamed him whichever one it
12:38
was? Well I'm not sure what his update on what
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he said is but then after that Jim a tweet
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went out. I don't know
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who this account is. It's blurred now here in this
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image I have. So here's the deal.
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You don't quit the hottest fed going
12:52
today, AEW, without reason. I
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have it from people in the know
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that Kylie was asked to go to Chris
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Jericho's room with the understanding
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that others would be there. When
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she got there it was just him.
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He made a pass at her. No
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other details are given. That says that
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in parentheses by the way. And she freaked
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out. So again
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don't know where that's
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coming from but that was tweeted out and it
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went everywhere. Chris Jericho was trending
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I think it was like over 40,000
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tweets about this. So I mean
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it was everything. Well he finally got the attention he's
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been looking for. Then apparently...
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Hold on I gotta... These
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are all the tweets in order including all my tweets making
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fun of Jericho so I gotta go past this. Well
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I guess that's it. Now I'm just
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seeing other people are tweeting. Kylie Rae
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hearted one of the articles about this
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and Nick Houseman hearted that. So now
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this story starts going around.
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I've really never heard
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those fucking English words put together in that
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order. whole thing is just ridiculous,
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the way it came out, the way it's
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happening. Again, every party
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involved could end this real quick by saying
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it did or didn't happen, or there is
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something or there isn't something. Instead... Well, but
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no, not every
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party, because if poor old
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Kylie Rae, as
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the story goes, and we'll talk
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about this, has signed an NDA
14:24
in order to secure her release
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from AEW, because that's part of
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the story, the rumor,
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whatever you want to call it, then
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she can't say anything. That's why
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she can only reply
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with little smiley hearts or whatever the
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fuck, and maybe, I don't know, chocolate
14:42
covered donuts, and whatever else they send
14:44
out these days. But
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that's the issue now, is that has
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Jericho trying to be the renegade, trying
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to be the
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macho guy, I don't sign
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NDAs, has
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that suddenly pissed off enough people
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who knows that he has signed
15:03
an NDA at least, that
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they've decided to bring this to the
15:07
public forum and now we're
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all debating about this, and Jericho's about as
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popular as crotch rot in certain circles. Now,
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the tweet I read you before, I believe it doesn't
15:17
have the time and date, I think that may have
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been from 2019 originally. Another
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tweet went out December 30th this year, 5.55pm
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from an account JohnAFerris. No
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one knows who this guy is, so we don't know what. Not
15:31
related to Wayne, not related to Wayne that
15:33
we know of, but again, something that it's
15:36
an account, appears to be talking
15:38
about this, and it's spread like wildfire on
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Twitter. She was invited
15:42
into Chris Jericho's locker room, thinking
15:45
that there were other people there, then
15:47
he tried to make his advances and she went straight
15:49
to Tony, and he was afraid that
15:51
he would lose the TV deal because Chris
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Jericho was his only star at the
15:56
time, NDA to
15:58
be released. So
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that right there is, again, we don't know
16:03
who this is and as Tony would say,
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we'll play some audio later during the press scrum,
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it's hard to comment on rumors
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that just pop up from sources you don't
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even know where this is coming from. Unless
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it's true. Well, yeah, that's
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the point. I mean, it's
16:19
easy to comment on something
16:21
that's bullshit by
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saying it's bullshit. It's
16:26
harder or more complicated to say,
16:28
to comment when there's
16:30
something to it or some element of
16:33
truth but the whole story is not
16:35
known whether it'd be beneficial to you
16:37
or prejudicial to you.
16:39
It doesn't matter because then you're spending
16:42
time going down the road telling
16:44
a 20-minute fucking story and everybody's
16:47
skidmark shorts
16:49
out in public. So
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I have been a... I have
16:54
to make dinner for you
16:56
and the children,
16:59
the infamous W.C. Fields
17:01
line. But people tried
17:03
to fucking malign me and Stacy and
17:05
I came immediately out and instead of
17:08
saying, well, I can't comment on unfounded
17:10
rumors, I said that's a big bunch
17:12
of fucking bullshit and here's why. And
17:14
speaking of that, here's who the people
17:17
are saying it and here's what's wrong with them.
17:20
But if there's something that's actually to
17:23
it and we can
17:25
talk about this, again, I'm not Jericho's press
17:27
agent but you
17:30
can't depend on
17:33
logical critical
17:35
thinking in situations that involve
17:37
Tony Khan. Because
17:42
as we have noted, Tony
17:44
is NDA happy simply
17:47
because it... Again, I'm
17:50
not picking a side in this
17:52
right now. We'll examine all sides of it. But
17:55
if this girl runs up to Tony Khan and
17:57
she's freaking out because if she has had a
18:00
issues in the past, this may not have
18:02
helped. Somebody may
18:05
have misread the room
18:07
and instead, oh Jesus Christ,
18:09
that was the point where she,
18:12
you've gone too far, I'm freaking out, I gotta go,
18:14
I don't want to be here with this guy, oh
18:16
God! Then, normally
18:19
because she's done it a
18:21
couple of other times, she's
18:23
quit other promotions. I'm
18:25
not saying there's anything bad with that, I've done it a
18:28
few times myself. But when
18:30
you quit a normal wrestling promotion, they say,
18:32
well sorry you feel that way, see you
18:34
down the road, right? But with Tony, it's,
18:36
oh my God! I'll pay
18:38
you the rest of your contract and maybe I'll
18:41
give you something else and do you have a
18:43
new car or just sign an
18:45
NDA so you don't say anything about,
18:48
again, whether freaking out about the TV
18:50
deal or freaking out about whatever or
18:53
freaking out because somebody would say something
18:55
bad about his baby wrestling promotion. And
18:58
now, four years later, a lot of people have
19:01
but it was brand new back then but you
19:04
know Tony. He's not
19:06
confrontational. Even if
19:08
they did think it was a big
19:10
bunch of bullshit and this whole thing's
19:12
fucking juvenile high school, whatever. Even
19:15
if they thought that or if there was
19:17
something fucking to it, they especially but Tony
19:19
would go, oh shit, just
19:21
don't say to be my friend, here's money
19:24
and don't
19:26
say anything bad because with Tony, it
19:29
can't be bad. He never
19:31
says anything. There's never a
19:33
bad match. Like sometimes the cake
19:35
just doesn't rise. There's never a
19:37
bad show. There's never a bad
19:39
guy. There's never, it's
19:41
always great because
19:45
that's Tony he freaks
19:47
out if it's otherwise. That's why the
19:49
change in his appearance over the last
19:51
four years. He's becoming the
19:53
son of the wolfman in front of our eyes so
19:56
I can believe that if she
19:59
went straight to him. that
20:01
he probably goddamn asked her, please just sign
20:04
something, I'll give you anything you want. I
20:08
can believe that. Can
20:10
you not? I absolutely can believe if
20:12
something did happen at that specific period of time
20:14
where he doesn't have TV yet. He has a
20:17
deal, but he's not on the air. And I
20:20
don't even know if he had a signed deal. But
20:23
shit could fall apart quick, especially
20:25
if your top star is being accused of anything. Yeah.
20:28
And Chris Jericho, for anyone who loved Omega and
20:30
the Bucks, or even Cody
20:32
at that time, Jericho was the biggest star in
20:34
AEW when it launched, period. Well, remember,
20:38
for the first six weeks when we were
20:40
enjoying what he was doing, we were saying
20:42
that he's goddamn realizes he's in the land
20:45
of Nod and he's just hot
20:47
dogging and taking over the show because he can. Well,
20:51
this Twitter account that
20:54
put that other Jericho thing out there, I gotta
20:56
say, they also put out some stuff about Don
20:58
Callis and Scarlett Bordeaux. It
21:01
makes you think this accounts someone who may know some stuff. I
21:03
have to say that. So,
21:06
all of this is going on. Chris
21:08
Jericho radio silent on Twitter. Tony
21:11
Khan not a word about this anywhere. The
21:14
pay-per-view is coming up that day. And
21:18
we're gonna review it later on, but
21:21
the story continued because of the reaction Chris
21:23
Jericho got from the Long Island audience. And
21:26
what that says now about Dynamite
21:28
that's about to come up and everything else going forward,
21:31
because Tony Khan, and we're gonna play this later, whiffed
21:34
three times. Three chances
21:37
to clear Chris Jericho, to
21:39
say it's not true, to say there's nothing
21:41
there, to say it's ridiculous
21:43
but it's not true. Nothing. Three
21:45
chances to whiff are not media scrum. And
21:48
now the story's bigger, but Chris
21:51
Jericho's reaction to that pay-per-view. That's
21:53
the thing is that we
21:56
talked about it a couple weeks ago. I can't remember
21:58
in the context which program. but
22:00
the AEW audience, because
22:03
it is smaller and more insular,
22:07
if you're really devoted and
22:09
like that kind
22:11
of wrestling, yes you are a
22:13
smaller, more insular group, but
22:16
they're all online, they're all on the Internet,
22:18
where that's why WWE has larger numbers
22:20
because they get the people that have
22:23
actual other
22:25
things to do than live and
22:27
die with what goes on on
22:29
Twitter amongst their
22:31
favorite wrestlers or our
22:34
audience is more just tell us when somebody
22:36
actually punches somebody for fucking real, right? But
22:39
the smaller audience
22:42
and that's gonna spread on
22:44
the Internet, the tweets, the
22:46
wrestling sites picking it up and
22:49
you've already got a situation where Tony
22:52
has lost such control of
22:54
his... the
22:56
entire roster as far as creative where
23:00
all of his heels are the most popular
23:03
wrestlers in a company and the baby
23:05
faces look like complete morons and
23:08
then the match
23:11
that he originally had scheduled Jericho
23:14
was thrown into chaos when Kenny
23:17
had problems with his guts and
23:20
then they shoot a last-minute angle
23:23
on TV the night I believe
23:25
before this whole thing
23:27
exploded on Twitter and there's
23:29
Jericho in an eight-man tag team
23:31
match with a variety
23:34
of people that are both overstaying
23:36
and not over almost everybody
23:38
else and
23:42
the... I've never seen... we've
23:45
seen the fans like in Puerto
23:48
Rico right when they decided
23:50
in the girls match that time we're gonna
23:52
like who was it goddamn it I forgot
23:54
now who
23:56
was it the fans loved on the Puerto Rican
23:58
pay-per-view yeah EOSCHI,
24:01
EOSCHI, right? Even though she's the heel
24:03
and it ain't supposed to be that
24:05
way, whatever, we just love her. And
24:09
you've seen that, the bizarro world
24:11
as they used to call it,
24:13
response in Canada and the United
24:15
States, when the Hart Foundation doing a thing
24:18
with DX, blah, blah, blah. But
24:20
I've never seen a match
24:23
where there were so many
24:25
swings of audience approval or
24:27
disapproval when the same team
24:29
was on top. They
24:32
didn't give a fuck about, I had to
24:35
take notes. Hold on, now you've scared
24:37
me into this. Match is a mess. That's got
24:39
to be it. Yes. That's
24:42
going to, yeah, that's going to be
24:44
the fucking match. It was Sting and
24:46
Jericho and Darby Allen and Sammy Guevara
24:50
against Ricky Starks and Big Bill
24:52
and Willie Hobbs and our friend
24:54
Take A Shit with
24:57
Don Fallis. And
25:00
they love Sting and they knew they were
25:02
seeing Sting for the last time in Nassau
25:04
Coliseum in New York and they actually had
25:07
a house for once. So
25:09
everything Sting did from breathing on up,
25:12
they roared for. And
25:15
they liked Darby even though he
25:17
hadn't done that much lately and he's off to climb
25:19
a mountain soon or whatever the fuck. And
25:22
Sammy, they just didn't give a shit. Every
25:24
once in a while he'd catch a stray
25:27
boo, but otherwise he
25:29
could have set himself on fire literally and
25:32
I don't think they'd have cared. How many times has he
25:34
turned back and forth? And
25:37
they love Starks and they love Hobbs. Big
25:41
Bill gets some ooze when he throws a
25:43
little guy around and I
25:46
think they would like Take more
25:48
if they do anything with him and he's kind
25:50
of got a little heat though because he's with
25:53
Fallis who nobody likes. But
25:55
the point is Jericho,
25:59
they did. sing his song. When
26:02
he came out, there was a
26:04
significant chorus of Judas, right? And
26:07
then as soon as the music went down, you
26:11
saw the guy across from the
26:13
hard camera with the sign that
26:15
said, world's NDA. And
26:18
then there was the booze would
26:20
start. There was
26:22
another sign, Jera, go away. Yeah.
26:25
Yeah. But
26:28
then they do all the
26:30
rest of the entrances, right? Of everybody and
26:32
staying gets them. Of course, staying is the
26:34
most popular guy there. He's 65 years old.
26:37
He's retiring in eight weeks. So
26:41
it basically every time
26:43
that Jericho would
26:46
get in and do anything.
26:49
They would boo. And
26:52
I mean, it would got to be loud, but
26:54
it did grew on itself, you know, over the course
26:56
of the thing, and
26:59
they had a couple of spots where somebody
27:02
on Twitter said now, instead of less sex
27:04
gods, they're less sex pass, but
27:07
Jericho and Sammy would do his spinoroonie
27:09
and Jericho would do his cheesy grin
27:11
pose. And I
27:14
was afraid of snipers at that. People
27:16
are like, fuck you. And
27:20
then again, it would, when they would be,
27:23
when they'd be doing a four way or more, since
27:25
it was an eight man tag, the
27:28
people would, at one point they were
27:30
booing Sting who had a scorpion death
27:32
lock on somebody because Jericho got a
27:34
scorpion or a walls next to Sting
27:37
and they're a fuck you. It,
27:40
it was surreal. They're cheering the heels when
27:43
they're beating up a couple members of the
27:45
team. But then another couple of members of
27:47
the team started doing something and they're cheering
27:49
that except if they
27:51
like everybody, they just kind of sat there and
27:53
oohed if it looked like somebody broke their fucking
27:55
neck and
27:58
the match. completely apart.
28:00
It was sloppy. There were
28:03
people fucking. And
28:05
then when, when Sting made
28:07
a comeback, that got him, right? A
28:10
sloppy comeback by a fucking
28:12
senior citizen. Cause he
28:15
was the only star in the match is
28:18
what got him. But then Jericho
28:20
came in to help the comeback and they
28:22
started booing and chanting Kylie Rae and NDA.
28:26
And I
28:29
mean, we will review the match later on,
28:31
but good Lord. I
28:34
don't. So
28:37
they basically booed everything that he
28:40
did, even though he was on
28:42
a babyface team, it caused Sting to get booed. Yes.
28:45
I mean, it was incredible. Ricky starts getting the
28:47
finger. This came the finger and tagged
28:49
out. I
28:51
made him a babyface. This
28:54
is a disaster and they could have
28:56
put it to bed at any point. All
28:58
Tony Khan has to say. We've
29:02
never had any complaints from talent about Chris Jericho. We've
29:04
never had complaints about Chris Jericho's
29:06
behavior. There are no NDAs. It's
29:08
ridiculous. There
29:10
are no NDAs in place that Chris Jericho
29:12
is sexually assaulting or abusing or harassing anyone. They
29:16
haven't said any of that. Real quick, Jim. Let
29:19
me play you this. Let me play you this. This
29:22
is from 2019. Tony
29:25
Khan at a media scrum when he was still standing
29:27
up and wearing a suit. Talking
29:30
about Kylie Rae. Let's go to this. Any
29:32
update on the status of Kylie Rae? She's been
29:34
a little bit absent. She's no longer
29:36
with us. We had so many things going into, so
29:38
many announcements going into the role, but she asked
29:40
for a release and we granted it. So she
29:43
called me and asked if she could be released from
29:46
a contract and it was pretty simple. I said, yeah.
29:48
And I asked her if everything was okay. And she
29:50
said, yeah, she didn't want to be
29:52
able to company anymore. And we talked about it and it
29:54
was very simple. And so,
29:56
yeah, she's not on a roster. Seemed
29:59
amicable. Super amicable. Well, obviously very nice
30:01
person who else has ever gotten
30:03
their release from just saying I don't want to be here
30:05
anymore Andrade tried that for two years Andrade
30:09
was punching people I
30:15
mean I
30:17
don't remember was she expected to
30:20
be like an instrumental part of
30:22
the roster like a Cargill level
30:25
Superstar or was it just you
30:27
know again hot babyface? For
30:30
the babyface women I think at the start Well,
30:32
but I think I've
30:35
seen her a couple times. I don't know if I'd
30:37
a picture for that spot Maybe they had buyer's remorse.
30:39
I'm not sure they didn't have too much again the
30:41
women's division the problems today I'll start from what
30:44
it was built upon. It was Britt Baker who
30:46
wasn't ready for prime time There
30:48
weren't that many top flight
30:51
available women But
30:53
they got the best ones that were available on the
30:55
independent scene well, but
30:57
nevertheless so Yes
31:01
again, we must say some
31:04
Incident occurred and
31:06
there is probably at least some grain of
31:08
truth in we don't know that we can't
31:11
say any of that Well,
31:13
we there's some grain of truth
31:15
in the that Kylie Rae asked
31:17
for her release and it was
31:19
granted easily and Whether
31:22
that becomes that maybe they figured
31:24
out well, maybe she ain't right
31:26
for the business which she apparently
31:28
was not and quit
31:31
a couple of other places or Something
31:35
more insidious went on which we have
31:37
no proof of Yeah, what
31:39
if she quit in other places because you can't
31:41
get the visual of a fucking fat Chris Jericho
31:43
dropping his leather trousers Oh, wait
31:46
a minute. Seriously. What happened anything about
31:48
any dropping of trout? I'm just saying
31:50
if something happened there who's the same
31:52
that's not what caused her not to
31:54
want to be in various environments Chris
31:56
Jericho is friend. Well, we're just friends
31:58
run fucking impact. I mean his Oh,
32:01
for heaven's sake, but at the same point,
32:03
if somebody drops their trousers on Broadway, are
32:05
you gonna be afraid to walk across the
32:07
street over in fucking San Diego? Let me
32:10
present the scenario. Just all streets? Let
32:12
me present the scenario. I'm not saying this happened.
32:14
I'm saying- I'm saying here's a scenario
32:16
where I could see this happening. She's
32:19
hanging out with everyone to have it a good time.
32:21
It's AEW. They're just getting things going. Everyone is in
32:23
a positive spirit. Greatest locker room we've ever been in.
32:27
She gets to know Chris Jericho a little. Someone
32:29
she's watched on TV, admired. He's a great wrestler.
32:33
He's very nice to her. Says, hey, we're
32:35
all gonna go back and talk about something. We're all gonna go
32:37
and, you know, just go over stuff. She goes in
32:39
there and he makes a pass at her. Whatever
32:41
it is, it instantly
32:43
changed whatever she thought. And,
32:46
again, different people deal with different things. And again, we
32:48
don't know if he dropped his pants. We
32:51
don't know if he started singing, which is even worse. Oh
32:53
my God. Now, well, now I'm hot. Maybe
32:55
he started singing with Mega on Guitar. Just
32:58
the worst band of all time. We
33:00
don't know what happened. But it
33:02
isn't crazy to think that if something did happen,
33:05
it would cause someone who stayed in that same industry
33:08
to have problems going
33:10
forward. I don't think that's outrageous. I
33:16
would have to say then that
33:20
you need to not be a public
33:24
personality in the big time world
33:26
of celebrity sports or entertainment. Whatever
33:28
this field falls into
33:31
these days. Unless
33:34
there was some type of violence
33:36
and fucking horror and goddamn whatever
33:38
the fuck, I
33:41
would need to have a
33:43
bigger level of happening
33:45
to say he fucking made me uncomfortable, but
33:47
he didn't assault me and I left and
33:49
now I don't want to work anywhere in
33:52
this same industry. You know, single
33:54
guys want to get laid. And
33:56
sometimes guys in bad marriages also want to do
33:58
the same thing. But
34:01
should someone in Chris Jericho's position, at
34:03
that point I guess approaching 50, biggest
34:06
star in AEW coming off years of
34:08
WWE TV, should someone
34:10
in that position be
34:12
hitting on any of the younger female
34:14
talent? No, no,
34:17
first of all, no, because
34:21
again, Tony
34:25
was counting on Jericho to
34:28
be the name that sold his
34:30
TV show so that he could
34:32
get his friend's attention basically by
34:34
putting them on the card also.
34:37
So a lot was riding on him,
34:39
and why does he want to start
34:41
that there?
34:44
They're working together.
34:46
Don't make it awkward, for fuck's
34:48
sake. And that's,
34:50
again, I'm sure
34:53
a waiter, waitress at Hooters
34:56
would know who Chris Jericho was,
34:58
or a fucking whoever he
35:00
might run into. I'm not saying don't
35:03
fuck around. I'm
35:05
just saying don't fuck around with this
35:07
fucking girl that's working in a brand
35:09
new company that you're the big star
35:11
of. And here's – and here, to be honest,
35:13
here's something else. This
35:16
is un – you
35:18
can't draw a parallel to the territory
35:20
days or to the history of wrestling
35:22
with this situation
35:24
we've got now. There
35:27
was sexual harassment in the locker
35:29
room because there was none, because
35:32
there were not full-time girls on
35:35
the roster. And there
35:38
were – you know, there were
35:41
a lot more women then at the
35:43
matches that would love to be harassed
35:45
in some cases by the boys, and
35:48
came for that specific reason. So harassment
35:51
was not necessary to begin with, and
35:54
now there's – the
35:56
women seem to be drugged to
35:58
the matches by their boyfriend. boyfriends
36:00
if they have them or whatever these days. And
36:05
the locker room is Peyton
36:07
Place, is fucking chaos with
36:09
all the relationships coming and
36:11
going and whatever in every
36:13
company. It's insane. Two
36:16
questions, two last questions about all this and we'll
36:18
move on. If any of this
36:20
is true, if
36:22
Chris Jericho was
36:24
involved in harassing anyone in
36:27
the early days of AEW and
36:29
Tony Khan was aware of it and
36:32
Tony Khan gave talent
36:34
a release in exchange
36:36
for an NDA to
36:38
protect his company and his top talent
36:40
from sexual harassment charges
36:42
or a complaint or anything
36:45
else, how
36:47
problematic is that going to be for Tony Khan if
36:49
that gets out? If
36:51
we find out all this is true and
36:54
Tony Khan's run his mouth a lot about
36:56
Vince, who's a
36:58
dirty pervert, about
37:01
safety, about all these different things, Tony Khan's
37:03
always out there, he loves this attention. But
37:06
if Tony Khan secured an NDA
37:09
in exchange for letting a woman who
37:11
was harassed leave the company, how's he going
37:13
to get past that? Again,
37:17
without knowing the story, the question
37:20
is, there
37:23
is a defense for it if he
37:26
was proactive with the NDA saying, well,
37:28
just sign this and do this. She's
37:30
just upset. There
37:33
was no dropping of trou, there was
37:35
uncomfortableness or whatever the fuck of some
37:38
minor level. Tony
37:40
jumps the gun, the
37:42
young lady's frazzled at that point but
37:44
apparently now sending out smiley faces about
37:46
people in support of her or whatever.
37:48
Well, a heart. Again, it was a
37:51
heart, not a smiley face. Okay,
37:53
whatever the case. If
37:56
Warner Brothers Discovery, which
37:58
I guess as of this moment, it right now
38:00
are still their network. We'll wait
38:02
to hear news on that. And partner. But
38:06
if they said, Tony, what's up? Well, she
38:08
got offended because he did the, and I
38:10
just said, all right, God
38:13
damn it, maybe make a public statement,
38:16
clear it up then or otherwise fine.
38:18
But if they found out, holy shit,
38:21
he brought her into the room and there were
38:23
shackles on the wall and fucking God damn, and
38:26
I mean some egregious, you
38:29
know, offense that went
38:32
way too far, then you're probably
38:34
fucked. Again, imagine a fat naked
38:36
drunk Gerard Deppardu coming at you.
38:41
It's a frightening sight. One last question about this.
38:43
But you know what? And here's the thing again,
38:47
business has changed and some people
38:50
don't necessarily or not perfectly
38:53
suited for the entertainment business or
38:55
the big time celebrity
38:57
business, if
38:59
you to come at miss Linda, drunk and
39:01
naked, she did just kicked you in the
39:04
fucking balls and probably fucking ripped him off,
39:06
put him in her purse. You
39:08
can't say that someone's not ready
39:10
for it's one thing if
39:12
they're just quitting place, another thing if it's
39:14
because they were sexually harassed by a top.
39:16
So what I'm saying to you
39:18
is, is that in the,
39:21
in the previous territory days, the
39:25
women, the girls, where they
39:27
were part of the boys, right? They were
39:29
on the roster, but they had to get used to fucking
39:32
all kinds of horrible sites, not even
39:34
directed at them, just accidentally on the
39:36
road, whatever the fuck. It, it, it
39:39
has become a, a
39:42
bigger source of contention as
39:45
the, the, honestly, people
39:47
get into business that don't understand
39:50
what they're going to be involved in, in the
39:52
business. I'm not saying she
39:54
should be harassed, but if just the site
39:57
of Chris Jericho bloated and.
40:00
But we don't know. So he may be. We don't
40:02
know. No, I was about to say would. If just
40:04
the sight of him naked
40:07
would have driven her out of the
40:09
entire industry, she needs
40:11
to be a more private person. But
40:14
again, we don't know. I
40:16
mean again, that's why I'm saying he
40:18
could have grabbed her. We don't know.
40:21
Well, if it got physical, I hate
40:23
the idea of blaming her in any
40:25
way for Chris Jericho possibly of doing
40:27
something inappropriate. Well, you're the one that's
40:29
talking about Gerard Depardo's
40:31
nakedness or whatever. Because I don't think she would
40:34
have quit. Again,
40:36
here's the problem. And
40:38
this is a big problem because Tony couldn't say
40:40
this isn't true and because Jericho started all this,
40:42
we're having this long conversation. We know
40:45
nothing. Nobody knows anything.
40:47
No one's saying anything. And it's
40:49
causing everyone to just come up
40:51
with ideas and opine on this.
40:54
Opine! That's what we're doing. We're
40:56
opining. We're opining. We're opining that
40:58
before we can determine
41:01
whether he's completely fucked or whether it's one
41:04
of those goddamn deals and Tony just went
41:06
off half cock and everybody signed everything, we
41:09
can't tell exactly who should
41:12
be crucified or who is totally
41:14
fucked. Jim, a lot of wrestlers
41:16
have done what they could. We brought up
41:18
Andrade earlier to secure their release from the
41:20
company. During
41:23
Chris Jericho's Twitter fight with Steven P. New
41:25
and how unnecessary it was and the damage
41:27
it caused, do you think
41:29
in any way this could be part
41:31
of a big plan for Chris
41:33
Jericho to secure his release to
41:35
join Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn's new
41:38
Wrestle Raspmet promotion? And
41:42
John Lauriniitis could book it. Yeah, that's right. Head
41:44
of HR, John Lauriniitis. Head of HR. I
41:47
say, is that what they call them
41:49
these days? There used
41:51
to be a J in it when I was a bit...
41:53
Let me ask you about this. No, let me ask you
41:56
a question. Did Tony
41:58
Khan not say? the
42:00
course of, I think we're going to review the media
42:04
audio later on, but
42:07
he's talking about that they're
42:09
the safest wrestling promotion. And,
42:14
I mean, do you want to break that
42:16
down now or should we save it for
42:18
the audio? But in what fashion does he
42:21
even imagine that? Let's
42:24
save it for the audio because there's a lot to
42:26
still go over, but you're right, it's ridiculous. It's a
42:28
ridiculous comment and again it was the worst pay-per-view AEW's
42:30
ever had, even their die-hard fans have said that, everything
42:33
was great. Everything was great, the
42:35
content of the classics great, I'm
42:37
great, Chris
42:39
Jericho is great. Hey! Hey
42:42
what? My dinger,
42:45
you got a dinger? What
42:49
are you talking about? Alright.
42:54
You
42:58
didn't expect any of this did you? Oh my
43:00
god, you got one! That's
43:03
right. Bastard. I don't have
43:05
one, I have two. Listen to this one,
43:08
hold on. Oh! Oh
43:13
geez. Oh,
43:15
I'm used to that. Sounds
43:21
like Kentucky. Hey!
43:24
Alright, well. That sounds like New
43:27
Jersey. We will definitely go through
43:29
all the Tony Todd audio a
43:31
little bit later. Well but anyway,
43:33
the bottom line of the whole thing is,
43:38
Jericho brought
43:40
attention on something
43:44
by that, what do they
43:46
call him? An unforced error
43:48
or an
43:50
own goal? Self-own. Self-own?
43:53
He just had
43:55
to, he could still
43:57
have slandered Steven P. New and
43:59
poor old Lucy. steal just in
44:01
a different way, not including I've
44:03
never signed an NDA. And
44:07
then all these people wouldn't have been really
44:10
chiming in with, well, maybe you have
44:12
and bring this whole thing into question.
44:15
And then Tony Khan would not have
44:17
had to comment on it, which leads
44:19
to disaster in every single
44:22
incident because Tony does
44:24
not know how to comment on shit. Tony
44:27
Khan could not, if Tony
44:30
can't comment on it, he can't just
44:32
say I took a shit. He
44:34
said, oh my God, my bell movement was, it
44:36
was so great. And I've never
44:38
had my sphincter open that far before. I
44:41
mean, it's- Hey, you better save that battery
44:44
for the review later. Well, you got one
44:46
now. We can tag, there's a two second
44:48
fucking recharge on mine and I can't keep
44:50
up with Tony. Like,
44:52
truck, if I try to fucking mute
44:55
the audio for the cursing on AEW
44:57
on TBS, you can't fucking press the
45:00
button that fast. Well, again,
45:02
we will talk about the Tony Khan media
45:04
scrum audio both before and after the pay-per-view
45:06
later on in the show. But Jim, let's
45:08
have a quick little aside before we get to another one
45:10
of the big topics here. News
45:13
breaking as we are recording. What
45:16
website is this? I'm sorry,
45:18
the ropes reporting. Coda Ibushi
45:20
rushed to hospital following double ankle
45:22
injury. Don't count me the
45:24
one. What? Double ankle injury. I've
45:27
never heard of that before. A double angle. I
45:29
thought, what, they did two angles
45:32
with even one day? Coda- Wait
45:35
a minute. Wait a minute. Now, come on now.
45:37
There's something, this is linked. Because
45:39
something happened with Kenny's
45:42
bowels and intestines and
45:46
now you're telling me that fucking Ibushi has
45:48
bad ankles. Do you think that they got
45:50
mad at each other and Ibushi broke both
45:52
of his feet off in Kenny's ass? No,
45:55
I don't think it's that because Coda Ibushi was
45:57
wrestling apparently. He reportedly injured both of his feet.
46:00
ankles while headlining a pro wrestling
46:02
Noah event. How do you hurt
46:04
both ankles? Did he jump off
46:06
the fucking roof or something? Japanese
46:09
sports outlet Sports Hochi reports
46:11
that early in his main event match with Marafuji
46:14
at pro wrestling Noah's the Yeet... excuse me,
46:16
the New Year 2024. The Yeet?
46:19
The Yeet? The New Year 2024! Did
46:22
somebody yeet Ibushi? Ibushi
46:24
suffered an injury to both his ankles. He
46:26
continued to wrestle, however, eventually beating
46:29
Marafuji in over 30 minutes. What
46:32
was he doing? He wasn't hopping on his
46:34
fucking head or walking on his hands? Have
46:36
you broken both your fucking ankles? How do
46:38
you continue the match? For 33 minutes. Oh
46:42
good lord, he was crawling on his
46:44
belly like a reptile! Ibushi is reported
46:46
to have walked to the backstage area
46:48
under his own power, but
46:51
is said to have been in so much severe
46:53
pain that he could not provide any backstage comments.
46:56
Shortly after he called himself an ambulance and was
46:58
taken to the hospital in Tokyo... He called himself
47:01
and they wouldn't even get on the phone for
47:03
him? He said, oh god, I gotta go to
47:05
the hospital, here, here's your fucking phone! They
47:08
are awaiting... Kinda goddamn sloppy shop is
47:10
that over there? They are awaiting diagnosis
47:12
from the hospital. Tony Khan recently announced
47:14
that they signed code Ibushi who looked
47:16
horrible in every appearance he's had in
47:18
AEW in the last year. And
47:21
depending on how this story goes, may not be
47:23
wrestling anytime soon. What a disaster.
47:26
Everyone they sign! Everyone they sign goes
47:28
down! But hold on now, hold
47:30
on now. Okay,
47:33
he hurt himself somehow. It's
47:36
not mentioned in the
47:38
article, he hurt both ankles at
47:40
the same time apparently. One
47:44
would think that would be a
47:46
real pisser, as Captain Lou would say, to
47:48
hurt your first ankle and then your second
47:50
ankle in the same match at different times,
47:52
but nevertheless, he guts it
47:54
out, kudos to him, and finishes
47:57
the match so I don't think they can be
47:59
broken. Um,
48:01
but then he's in such severe
48:03
pain that he
48:05
wants to go to the hospital. Why did he walk
48:07
to the back under his own power? Wouldn't you, after
48:10
you'd finished the match, when he's okay,
48:12
I can sell now. It
48:14
makes a bit, it's good for the business. Like they
48:17
used to say, when you'd get busted open, hard way,
48:19
it's good for the, it's good for the business. Carry
48:21
me out of here. Haul
48:23
me out of this motherfucker. But
48:26
he walks to the back and then he sits down.
48:28
He says, you know, I can't do that interview. Instead,
48:30
hand me my phone. I'm
48:32
calling my own ambulance. What
48:37
the fuck is going on with these people?
48:39
Jim, I've sent you an email with a
48:42
link that has a few different videos in it
48:44
to what apparently is Konebushi possibly getting hurt in
48:46
the match and a couple of
48:48
the other moments from the match or after the
48:51
match where he couldn't even stand up. Oh, I've
48:53
got that. Now that you've rambled on, I've gotten
48:55
the link. I'm clicking on said
48:58
link Kodebushi, taken to
49:00
hospital. Uh,
49:03
so it's a lot. Oh, oh,
49:05
oh, here we go. It's still popping up.
49:07
See, I'm a slow loader. Cause I got
49:09
the spectrum, you know, the spectrum cable and
49:12
the internet and it's slower than
49:14
molasses in January is mama cornet. You
49:16
say, okay, is the first one is
49:19
the one that I should watch. Right? The
49:21
first one, it appears to be maybe where he got hurt. Well,
49:25
I'm going to, I'm going to click on, on
49:27
that son of a bitch right now and see
49:31
what he's going to do that he could
49:33
potentially be damaged
49:35
a moonsault off the second
49:38
turnbuckle onto
49:40
the guy on the floor. And he
49:42
lands right on his feet and grabs
49:44
his, as I'm
49:47
turning myself, grabs his right ankle and
49:49
then the clip cuts out. So
49:51
yeah, that definitely looked like you could
49:54
damage yourself on that. Again,
49:56
he just
49:58
runs down the. He
50:02
almost gets to the second turn and then makes
50:04
it and then does the moonsault, lands on the
50:06
floor on his feet and grabs his right ankle.
50:09
Well, that was the first video. The second one appears to
50:11
show the finish. Well,
50:13
now he should be limping considerably at
50:15
this point, but he's just
50:18
collapsed on this guy. He's
50:20
laid down on a bed and pinned the
50:22
guy. I've never seen anything like that. I've
50:26
dropped an elbow on my fucking mattress
50:28
harder than that, laying down after a
50:30
hard day. Whatever
50:33
he'd done to the guy, he just more or
50:35
less missionary
50:38
position, body pressed him and
50:40
fucking... Well, the
50:42
third video is the post-match and this will
50:44
tie everything together. OK,
50:46
and apparently it's the guy that
50:48
tweeted this as, I cannot believe
50:50
my eyes, a disaster. OK,
50:54
and he's trying to walk and he's limping
50:56
and he falls on his ass. And
50:59
the other guy whose hand he was raising just
51:02
fucking let go of his hand and turns off
51:05
and walks away from him and
51:07
kneels down selling, ignoring
51:09
the fact that this motherfucker actually just
51:12
probably collapsed on purpose. Or
51:15
not on purpose, but collapsed for real.
51:17
Well, Kota Obushi begins 2024, the
51:20
way he worked the entirety of 2023. This
51:23
does not look good and we'll
51:25
see what happens. That's all we can report. Before
51:27
he hurt himself, he was
51:30
doing the deal where he runs down and jumps to
51:32
the second turnbuckle and he didn't make that the first
51:34
try and then got up on it. Well, that's the
51:37
thing. He didn't even make... Like you said, the first
51:39
time he jumped to the second turnbuckle, he missed it.
51:41
I've never seen him do that before. And
51:44
then he does the deal and the
51:47
guy, whoever this other feller
51:49
is, he
51:51
tried to catch him. Marafuji.
51:54
Well, he tried to catch him, but Obushi
51:56
went kind of over his shoulder and
51:59
bam and landed on his feet, which apparently
52:02
he doesn't need to be doing that. Well,
52:05
there you go. Um, so
52:07
Tony can, should Tony's
52:09
father at this point suggest that he
52:12
open a, an offshoot
52:14
of AEW as like a
52:17
hospital medical center, physical rehab,
52:20
surgery, bone transplant,
52:22
fucking, you know,
52:25
organ black market
52:27
operation. It
52:30
seems like there'd be more money in
52:33
treating the injured AEW wrestlers than there
52:35
is in paying them while they're healthy
52:37
to sell tickets. Even
52:39
if you were a fan of Koda Obushi's, based
52:43
on what you've seen from him in the
52:45
last year, year and a half, whatever it is, you
52:48
can't tell me there's anything there that would make you want
52:50
to sign into a contract and give him more money. Despite
52:53
whatever you think of his work from before,
52:56
since he's come back and
52:58
before this ankle injury, apparently he was
53:01
awful. Even his own fans said that. And Tony
53:03
gave him a contract and
53:06
you know, and that's, there
53:09
are people out there, the Cornette haters who
53:11
will say, wow, Cornette would put
53:13
the belts on the rock and roll express or
53:16
some fucking blah, blah, blah. But if the midnight
53:18
express, we'd know, no,
53:20
if the midnight express present day
53:22
right here, right now, we're all
53:24
here. I would not book them
53:26
to wrestle on a national television
53:28
program because
53:30
at some point age
53:34
catches up with everybody. If Koda
53:36
Obushi was a legend
53:40
in a territory or even in this country,
53:42
Steve Austin can walk in a fucking ring
53:45
and take a shit and
53:47
people would still pay to see it, but he doesn't need the
53:49
money to have to do that, but he could. And
53:52
they can make money off of him doing it. If
53:55
he would agree to it and many
53:57
legends have, uh, but.
54:00
But no, he's
54:03
not a person that is
54:05
going to draw you money based
54:08
on what he can do now versus what he
54:10
could do in the past and what's the cutoff
54:12
then? Is it 40 years old or is it
54:14
60 years old or whatever? The
54:17
territory guys learned to work around their
54:19
limitations because they were over his personalities.
54:22
Ibushi has none. Most
54:25
of these guys have none. And
54:27
that's why when they're 32 and
54:30
they're falling on their ass because they can't
54:33
fucking walk because they've blown their ankles in
54:35
the same match, whatever, they
54:38
can't work around that because
54:42
that's the only thing they do. Personalities
54:45
can work around anything. God damn. Think
54:48
of the guys that were... Lawler,
54:50
until last year, had had a match every
54:53
year since 1970 because he knows what he
54:57
can do and what he can't do and he knows what to sell
54:59
people. And all
55:01
the old territory guys depended
55:04
on that because sometimes they owned
55:06
the territory, sometimes they owned part of
55:08
it or they just wanted to stay in the business. Gene
55:12
Konysky was fucking 60 and still
55:16
doing what he wanted to do because he
55:18
was part of owner and he knew how
55:20
to fucking stretch, whatever. These
55:23
guys, they can't do that because they've
55:26
set the standard where that's one of those
55:28
guys that does all that insane shit. And
55:31
then when it catches up to him and they can't do it
55:33
anymore, you can't pay
55:35
them like it's
55:37
like you're paying a fucking singer who's just had
55:40
his goddamn voice box
55:42
removed. What the
55:44
fuck are you there for then? Nobody's
55:46
going to pay just to look at you. So
55:52
Tony is finding out the problem with this,
55:55
putting this much reliance on this
55:57
kind of chaotic...
56:00
wrestling and signing every darling,
56:03
even if it's a darling that took him 10 or 15 years
56:06
to fucking be able to sign. The
56:09
action figures wear out. Well
56:12
Jim, let's stay on the topic of AEW even though there's
56:14
so much more AEW to talk about. We'll have to break
56:16
it up a little bit more. But
56:18
AEW Dynamite aired last Wednesday and I've forgotten all
56:20
about it until you brought it up before. But
56:23
we do indeed I guess have to talk about what
56:25
was on the road to World's End.
56:28
Well yeah boy, in more
56:30
ways than one. And
56:33
the road to ruin. And we
56:37
watched this one program because they
56:39
were kind and beneficial enough to
56:41
us on Raw on credit to
56:43
just do reruns, right? For Christmas.
56:47
But we have to at least
56:50
reference a few of the happenings
56:52
on Wednesday night's Dynamite of December
56:54
27th before we talk about the
56:57
World's End for Tony Khan on December
56:59
30th because they were still setting shit
57:01
up because they had no idea what
57:03
the fuck was going on. And
57:06
I like
57:08
to subtitle this episode, Tony
57:11
Khan Wouldn't Know Good Booking if Gutenberg
57:13
printed it for him. A lot
57:15
of the bibliophiles out there now
57:17
blowing snot. Google it kids. But
57:21
they led the thing off with another
57:23
tournament match but this time it was
57:25
the three-way to determine the winner of
57:27
the gold block to go on against
57:29
the blockhead or whatever the fuck. It
57:31
was Moxley versus Swerve
57:34
versus Switchblade
57:36
or Slingblade or... Slingshot.
57:40
Slingshot. Slingshot J. White. That's what
57:42
it is. And
57:44
again you know you can't
57:47
stomach Moxley to begin with. He looks like
57:49
a hobo wandered in from the railroad yard
57:51
and then they make it a three-way to
57:54
make it worse and within the first two
57:57
minutes they were all over the arena. And
58:00
Taz had to mention the one guy
58:03
trying to save this thing. He
58:05
had to mention, well the referee's being lenient.
58:08
It wasn't no DQ. It wasn't
58:11
no count-out. It was lazy booking.
58:13
But it's supposed to be their
58:15
tournament match where there's no interference
58:17
in its pure sport. And
58:20
they're out in the goddamn bleachers. Because
58:23
Moxley can't do anything else. He doesn't
58:25
know how. He doesn't do it
58:27
well. I can bleed. And
58:30
thankfully, maybe he got to
58:32
his quota that
58:35
month. I'm sure he has a monthly quota.
58:37
They measure how much blood he loses. We
58:40
did that one time. They sent me down in
58:42
Charlotte to do a live
58:44
remote on Channel 3 at
58:47
the noon news for the blood drive. Encouraging
58:49
people to come down and give blood, right?
58:51
Down to the Grady Coal Center. The old
58:53
Park Center. And
58:57
well, I think Corden can talk. What the
58:59
fuck, right? Just be entertaining. So I
59:01
went down and I
59:03
was talking with the newscaster was there.
59:05
And I was also talking to
59:07
one of the Red Cross representatives.
59:09
And I said, mama, how much blood
59:12
is there in the human body? And
59:15
she answered, I don't know now if this would, but
59:17
let's say it was 12 pints, right?
59:22
Okay. Well, I challenge right now. I
59:24
will give $5,000 to the Red Cross
59:26
if Dusty Rhodes will come down here
59:28
and donate 13 pints of
59:30
his blood to the Red Cross.
59:34
And boy, howdy. There you go. They didn't
59:36
know what was going on anyway. 13
59:39
pints. 13. You got to give 13, Dusty,
59:42
or they don't get the money. Think
59:44
of the little children. I'm
59:47
doing this on the goddamn new news on
59:49
the biggest station in North Carolina. Anyway,
59:52
so back
59:54
to this fucking match. I
59:58
think there was about a five-minute period. period, I
1:00:00
don't think any of the three of them were
1:00:02
in the ring at all. It
1:00:04
was just the worst instinct
1:00:06
of every indie outlaw wrestler you
1:00:08
could imagine. And
1:00:11
then, you know, Moxley and Swerve
1:00:13
had a slap fight and
1:00:16
I wrote this will never end, I
1:00:18
was fast forwarding through the chairs and
1:00:20
the railing and the goofy bumps and
1:00:22
everything. And finally
1:00:24
Moxley hit his shitty double
1:00:26
armed suplex on light
1:00:29
switch. And boom,
1:00:32
there he is, we were 30 minutes into the fucking
1:00:34
show. And
1:00:37
again, the one guy who might've
1:00:39
benefited from the one
1:00:41
guy that's got some momentum and some
1:00:44
talent and it needs some direction,
1:00:46
but whatever that could
1:00:48
have benefited from this was Swerve and
1:00:52
he didn't make it to the finals. I
1:00:56
think they got Swerve set up for bigger plans.
1:01:00
Well, I've probably shouldn't have been in this tournament
1:01:02
though. Then don't put him in a tournament. It's
1:01:04
a work. That's what I'm saying. It
1:01:06
don't be put them
1:01:09
30 minutes into the program for
1:01:12
that. Who
1:01:14
the fuck is Mariah May? Why
1:01:18
is she suddenly get, has anybody ever
1:01:20
heard of this woman before? She showed
1:01:22
up six weeks ago. They,
1:01:26
they apparently decided to do a two
1:01:29
year character evolution of timeless Tony
1:01:31
storm in three months and they've already got her
1:01:34
nemesis slash replacement lining
1:01:37
up and I know people have likened it to all about
1:01:39
Eve. I,
1:01:43
I, I don't know if
1:01:45
we're going to haul in the Oscars on this one,
1:01:47
but it didn't
1:01:49
more like sunset Boulevard though. Well, they're taking from everything
1:01:53
there. And again, Tony
1:01:55
storm probably had the
1:01:57
root of it. a
1:02:00
lot of these ideas. I hope she's not
1:02:02
writing the whole thing or she's rushing her
1:02:04
own self. But
1:02:06
now that everybody's throwing shit in, and I guess
1:02:08
a lot of people are too
1:02:10
nice or too scared to say slow
1:02:13
down cowboy. And so
1:02:16
yes, the Sunset Boulevard with Luther
1:02:18
the butler, Erich von Stroheim, and
1:02:21
the All About Eve with the understo- or the
1:02:24
story as old as time with the understudy
1:02:27
conniving to replace the star, blah blah
1:02:29
blah, whatever the fuck. But this
1:02:32
was like wrestling school promo. They gave
1:02:34
her a live interview with Renee Moxley
1:02:36
Goode. And it
1:02:39
was like, you know, promo practice
1:02:42
at school. What the fuck? And
1:02:44
then out comes
1:02:47
Reha! And ran
1:02:49
her off and beat up Tony
1:02:52
Storso. She ran Mariah of May
1:02:54
or Maria May or Mariah May.
1:02:56
Mariah May. Mariah May.
1:02:59
She may not, but Mariah May. You know,
1:03:01
it could go either way. She can go
1:03:03
one way, she can go the other way.
1:03:06
But so
1:03:09
she runs off, Tony Storm gets beat
1:03:11
up by this fucking feather,
1:03:14
this goddamn cotton ball.
1:03:16
She didn't even have a pipe. She just
1:03:18
ran out there. They ran from her. You know,
1:03:21
you heard the horrible
1:03:23
thing about the fucking she dropped the pipe
1:03:25
and bent over, tried to pick it back
1:03:27
up and strained her back. But
1:03:31
I didn't hear that, no. No, I wish I
1:03:33
hadn't said it. But
1:03:39
I'm sorry. It's
1:03:42
just ridiculous. At this
1:03:45
point, they're trying to do something
1:03:47
with some women that at least
1:03:49
have some personality that the American
1:03:51
television audience, which is primarily what they're
1:03:53
on here is paying them the big
1:03:55
bucks, can relate to and
1:03:59
might be new. and they're still
1:04:01
trying to shove this poor mousy
1:04:03
schoolgirl down everybody's throat. And...
1:04:07
Well, we'll play you audio later on. Tony Khan
1:04:09
defends it saying that she's a big ratings mover.
1:04:12
She can't move the ropes when she hits them!
1:04:16
You know, remember I was talking to you about
1:04:18
the U-scan, the grocery thing, where you have to
1:04:20
scan at the grocery your own shit? When you
1:04:22
scan her at the grocery, it keeps telling you
1:04:24
to put her in the bag after you've already
1:04:26
put her in the bag. Well,
1:04:29
that was the, uh, that was that segment.
1:04:31
Certainly, Tony Khan is no Thalberg. I'll say
1:04:33
that. So poor
1:04:35
Irving. We barely got a chance to
1:04:38
experience his great dead at 37. Who's
1:04:40
a better Booker? Irving Thalberg
1:04:42
dead or Tony Khan right
1:04:44
now alive? Thalberg's rotten corpse.
1:04:48
He'd be down to the bones by now. But
1:04:52
anyway, um... Um, so
1:04:54
then Tony Schwanie was in
1:04:57
the ring for the Don Fallis
1:04:59
family ceremony
1:05:01
with Hobbs and Takeshit
1:05:03
and Cowfelcher, because it
1:05:05
was Boxing Week celebration. Because,
1:05:08
you know, the Canadians up
1:05:10
there, they've got these strange customs.
1:05:13
Some Canadians celebrate Boxing
1:05:16
Day after Christmas.
1:05:18
Some Canadians
1:05:21
get kicked out of hotels in the
1:05:23
Greater United Kingdom area. They've got strange
1:05:25
customs. But
1:05:29
Felcher, to
1:05:31
me, looked badly out of place here,
1:05:34
because Hobbs and our boy Take, they
1:05:36
look great. And if they would... Where
1:05:40
has Takeshit been, by the way? They'd
1:05:42
followed up on him. He was getting over
1:05:45
all of a sudden. Reedy, reedy. Uh,
1:05:49
but they look great. And Felcher
1:05:51
looks like the goddamn guy who got
1:05:53
rejected at the Leave It to Beaver
1:05:55
remake casting call in a suit. It
1:05:58
just... And
1:06:00
they all got paintings of themselves
1:06:03
with him, with Don, as presents
1:06:06
for Boxing Week, but they didn't
1:06:08
uncover the fourth painting. And
1:06:12
he did say, finally, the family
1:06:14
is complete here, and then Sammy
1:06:17
Guevara's music hits and interrupts, and...
1:06:21
Brian, what was the mood of the
1:06:23
crowd at that point when Sammy came
1:06:25
out? It was a groan. They
1:06:27
did not want Sammy. They don't see Sammy as
1:06:29
a babyface. He's kind of killed a lot of
1:06:31
that in the past. He's turned back
1:06:33
and forth so many times. But
1:06:36
they didn't see him as a heel. They didn't know he
1:06:38
was going to switch yet. They didn't see him as a
1:06:40
heel either. They saw him as a babyface. They
1:06:42
all knew he just had a baby, because those are the
1:06:44
AEW fans. They know that shit. This segment
1:06:46
was already dying a horrible death, because
1:06:49
Don Callis' segments always suck. And
1:06:51
this one was as bad as all of them.
1:06:53
And again, how'd they follow up on Takeshita? Got
1:06:55
a big win. Then they lost like a tag match
1:06:58
or something. Then he's just been in the background in
1:07:00
a group. We haven't seen shit
1:07:02
from him. We literally haven't
1:07:04
seen him take a shit. If anyone
1:07:07
watches AEW TV regularly, why
1:07:10
would you want to see Sammy Guevara come out here for this?
1:07:14
Well, he was mad at Don. I think
1:07:16
they thought the immense
1:07:18
nuclear heat that Don has were
1:07:22
random press photographers in
1:07:24
Tijuana try to tackle him on an
1:07:26
annual basis. Conan! Conan! Conan!
1:07:32
He didn't get his baby gift. Sammy
1:07:34
didn't. Apparently, you know, Don's
1:07:36
like, oh, all this. I just didn't know you were
1:07:38
going to be here. Didn't know you were going to
1:07:40
show up for work. You're on maternity leave or whatever.
1:07:44
And he reveals the fourth painting,
1:07:46
and it's all of the heels
1:07:48
there with Sammy holding Sammy's baby.
1:07:51
Which, you know, actually
1:07:53
was kind of a cool thing to have
1:07:55
made like that. You know, although
1:07:57
I thought at first they were holding a
1:08:00
small chair. chimpanzee. But nevertheless... What
1:08:02
the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you say that? Well, it looked
1:08:04
like an ugly child. We don't know what
1:08:06
the model for the artwork was. No, it could have been Cheetah. It could
1:08:08
have been... But nevertheless, the point is that Sammy was
1:08:10
incensed about this. He
1:08:14
said, who the hell told you to
1:08:17
put my baby in the picture? Maybe he don't want that baby
1:08:19
to be seen. I
1:08:21
don't know. I'm like you. If I had a
1:08:23
baby like that, I'd take it to the plastic
1:08:25
surgeon and say, can you make
1:08:29
him look right? The surgeon added a tail.
1:08:31
What do you mean? You're like me. I
1:08:33
didn't say that. But anyways, so of
1:08:35
course then Don immediately starts knocking Sammy in the
1:08:37
window. He's like, what?
1:08:39
What? What? What?
1:08:43
What? What? What?
1:08:46
What? What? What?
1:08:49
What? So he's knocking Sammy
1:08:51
in the way that to telegraph, not
1:08:54
only that he's about to turn,
1:08:58
but also in a contrived way
1:09:00
that you would not do
1:09:03
if you were not intending on turning
1:09:06
on the guy to begin with in
1:09:08
the first place. So it's a foregone
1:09:10
conclusion. And he
1:09:12
tore him down. Sammy, you never show up.
1:09:16
You're a hurt loser that hadn't shown up for work
1:09:19
in five months or whatever. So
1:09:21
choose your other family or my
1:09:23
family. I
1:09:26
can't see Bill Watts having produced
1:09:28
this particular big angle here.
1:09:32
And Sammy, Sammy, Sammy! Oh,
1:09:35
I love you. Oh, I love
1:09:37
you, my dear old Sammy. Sammy.
1:09:41
Sammy shoves. Sammy shoves. Here's what
1:09:43
Sammy did. He
1:09:48
shoved Don Down.
1:09:52
Sammy shoves Don Down. And
1:09:56
the heels get on Sammy. And
1:09:59
in Jericho's music. plays and because
1:10:01
this was probably
1:10:04
hours maybe before the news was
1:10:07
being bandied
1:10:10
about, the rumors
1:10:12
and accusations, whatever, they didn't
1:10:16
really boo him, they just still didn't give
1:10:18
a shit but Jericho used his
1:10:20
baseball bat to run the heels out and
1:10:23
then broke the frames on the paintings and every
1:10:25
time he'd hit one of those fucking frames and
1:10:27
it'd shatter I'm thinking boy
1:10:30
if somebody in the
1:10:32
front row just had the guts to stick
1:10:34
one piece of fucking plastic in his own
1:10:36
eye and didn't call Steven P. New they
1:10:38
could be a billionaire but nevertheless, the
1:10:43
heels bailed, there was a big face-off
1:10:45
between Jericho and Sammy and then they
1:10:47
had a big hug and
1:10:51
finally this long drawn-out
1:10:55
segment had come to an end or
1:10:57
had it! Na na
1:10:59
na na! As
1:11:02
soon as they hug, Jericho and
1:11:04
Sammy being the they, Starks
1:11:07
and Big Bill jump and just
1:11:09
appear and jump them from behind
1:11:11
and start getting
1:11:13
some of the most lackluster and
1:11:15
or immobile heat that
1:11:18
I've ever seen on them but
1:11:20
I'm like what the fuck and
1:11:23
then the lights go
1:11:25
out for a while
1:11:28
I didn't have my watch
1:11:30
in the same room with the second hand or
1:11:32
I would have timed this son of a bitch
1:11:34
but it had to be better than 30 seconds
1:11:36
of black screen on network
1:11:39
television with the announcers going
1:11:41
well wait but yeah and
1:11:45
when the lights come on they're Sting
1:11:47
and Darby Allen who
1:11:49
got his name from an old Irish
1:11:52
folk song and they called him Darby
1:11:54
Allen and
1:11:57
now Sting and Jericho both so the
1:11:59
best debate face team both have
1:12:01
baseball bats and
1:12:04
they hit big bill about five or
1:12:06
six times before he even went down.
1:12:08
And with
1:12:11
the phoniness of some
1:12:13
of the swings, I'm not actually
1:12:16
penalizing him for that. And
1:12:18
then that set of heels that are
1:12:20
completely goddamn totally unrelated to the other
1:12:23
set of heels that had just bailed,
1:12:26
they bail as the baby
1:12:28
faces stand there. Did
1:12:32
I describe
1:12:34
that to what you saw Brian
1:12:36
or was this some kind of
1:12:39
indigestion from an undigested bit
1:12:41
of beef or
1:12:44
a blot of mustard over Christmas?
1:12:46
This was an endless awful segment
1:12:49
from the beginning to the very end callous. Again
1:12:52
for anyone who wants to pretend like he's a heel with
1:12:54
heat when everyone's booing and smiling you don't have any heat.
1:12:57
They're enjoying the show and then
1:12:59
you get to the substance of it and it's all this stupidity
1:13:02
and again him at the paintings, the
1:13:04
Sami stuff wasn't getting over with anyone,
1:13:07
Jericho comes out, Jericho even before
1:13:10
the week
1:13:12
of Jericho, I don't know what you call it, this
1:13:14
is the start of the week of Jericho right there
1:13:17
on Dynamite. He's not
1:13:19
very good anymore. You can
1:13:21
stop pretending everyone has been pretending and then
1:13:24
just more. It's just more and everyone likes...
1:13:29
Hold on, I gotta say, regardless there's
1:13:31
another way to put it that sounds
1:13:33
even less biased. I'm not saying he
1:13:36
is as good as he once was.
1:13:38
He's better than some
1:13:40
they've got but he's
1:13:42
doing the same stuff and or
1:13:44
trying...he's doing the same stuff in
1:13:47
the ring while trying to be
1:13:49
a different person outside the
1:13:51
ring every four months and
1:13:53
they've seen him for five years. How
1:13:56
can I miss you if you won't go away?
1:13:58
It's getting old. And so is
1:14:00
he. Maybe he
1:14:02
should revamp his schedule rather than his character.
1:14:04
You know what else is getting old? The
1:14:06
light's going out. Everyone
1:14:09
is starting to groan when that happens.
1:14:11
No one's getting excited. It's the House
1:14:13
of Black doing it. The devil's doing
1:14:16
it. Sting and Darby are
1:14:18
doing it. Why?
1:14:21
This is one of those things from ECW that they
1:14:24
got away with not having a logical reason
1:14:26
for it. But now
1:14:28
you have to have a reason for it. Or
1:14:30
stop doing it. It's the laziest thing ever. I
1:14:33
get that Sting can't run to the ring. But
1:14:35
there's got to be a better way. Well no, he could...
1:14:39
They're not even doing it because of that. I mean
1:14:42
if he can have the matches he's having he can
1:14:44
run down the aisle way. It's
1:14:46
that they think it's cool. And
1:14:49
it's not cool anymore. It
1:14:51
was like you said, the 90s ECW
1:14:53
got away with it. And
1:14:55
every once in a while if you've got... If
1:14:58
you can have the lights come back on and there's the
1:15:01
rock or Jesus Christ,
1:15:04
that's wonderful. Everybody will just forgive
1:15:06
you. Even if it
1:15:08
takes a minute to get into position. But
1:15:10
when it's constant and it's multiple times per
1:15:13
show and it takes
1:15:15
a while and then
1:15:17
it's not anybody that you
1:15:19
wouldn't normally see otherwise on the
1:15:21
fucking program. Did
1:15:28
it get you excited for the eight man tag at the
1:15:31
pay-per-view? Well that's what
1:15:33
it set up but they didn't
1:15:35
book it right there. They announced it
1:15:37
later on at some point that
1:15:39
I was zipping through. But what no.
1:15:41
Because there
1:15:44
was no logical
1:15:46
reason for a
1:15:49
variety of these things to go on
1:15:52
in the same segment or the way that
1:15:54
they did. But nevertheless, more
1:15:57
is less as they say. Speaking
1:15:59
of more. being less, did you like in
1:16:03
hindsight now when I saw
1:16:05
this, I did not know what was going
1:16:07
to happen at the pay-per-view, but
1:16:10
did you like Roderick
1:16:13
Strong again in a pre-tape
1:16:16
segment doing comedy with Taven
1:16:19
and Bennett, who's showing the
1:16:22
chart why MJF is the
1:16:24
devil and being silly and
1:16:26
the neck brace and these two
1:16:29
flunkies that Taven and Bennett have become
1:16:31
in whole nine yards in hindsight now,
1:16:34
how fucking ignorant is
1:16:36
this? It's
1:16:39
been steadily awful for a while. I'm
1:16:41
not convinced that anything happened at the pay-per-view is going to
1:16:43
end the awfulness. We'll see. But
1:16:46
I just can't believe that, we'll
1:16:48
get to it at the pay-per-view, but I
1:16:50
can't believe they have done to
1:16:53
all of these guys what they've done for no good reason
1:16:55
with the position they were going to put him in. There's
1:16:59
no one in charge with good ideas. There's no
1:17:01
one in charge who will say no to the
1:17:03
bad ideas instead of trying to put his spin
1:17:05
on them. That's
1:17:07
the problem. It all comes from the top.
1:17:09
The fact that at the same time they're
1:17:11
trying to sell everyone on the sports-based
1:17:13
wrestling of a continental classic, they're
1:17:16
doing bad WWE
1:17:19
comedy. Not even
1:17:21
a WWE comedy which sucks on its own. Bad
1:17:24
versions of that. Let
1:17:26
me just say this and maybe
1:17:28
if it's not completely Tony Khan
1:17:30
saying, you guys must do this
1:17:32
or else it's your jobs. Roderick
1:17:36
Strong, Matt Taven
1:17:38
and Mike Bennett, whoever, I will say please
1:17:40
somebody who knows one of those gentlemen because
1:17:42
I've dealt with all three of them, forward
1:17:46
this clip. If
1:17:48
it's one of the three of y'all's ideas to
1:17:50
be presented this way, treated this
1:17:53
way and do the things you've done since
1:17:55
you joined the company, the
1:17:58
other two of y'all ought to beat the fuck out of it. Because
1:18:01
he's not only ruined his own career, he's ruined
1:18:03
y'alls too. Y'all are
1:18:05
toast. You're fucking stale goddamn
1:18:07
bread in the fucking pan
1:18:09
at the bottom of the toaster that only gets
1:18:11
cleaned out every six months or so. Because
1:18:16
that's a... you will never
1:18:18
be taken seriously by that audience in
1:18:20
that company. I don't care whether you're
1:18:22
devils, henchmen's or not because you've been
1:18:24
portrayed as brainless
1:18:26
fucking twits, comedy
1:18:28
characters, people who are unserious
1:18:30
about their profession, and
1:18:33
the whole thing's totally phony. So whoever,
1:18:36
if it was any of the three of y'alls
1:18:38
idea, instead of you being forced to go along
1:18:40
with it, that person is a
1:18:42
fucking idiot. But don't
1:18:44
worry, you got company. Because
1:18:47
MJF's the goddamn stupidest son of a
1:18:49
bitch walking the planet on two feet
1:18:51
right now. So
1:18:53
probably a lot of the attention will go
1:18:56
on the failure, the complete failure that
1:18:58
this angle is gonna be, will go
1:19:01
on him because he gets a lot of the
1:19:03
attention. And he's a fucking
1:19:05
moron now too in the public eye. But
1:19:07
we'll get to that. Anyway,
1:19:10
you want to move on with dynamite? Yeah. So
1:19:14
we got a tournament match with
1:19:16
Danielson and Eddie Kingston. And
1:19:20
remember, I thought that you called it, by
1:19:23
the way, you know,
1:19:25
Brian, you're great. You
1:19:27
just, I'm telling you, because I
1:19:30
thought, all right, now yours
1:19:32
echoes a little bit. You need to tone
1:19:34
that thing down. All
1:19:40
right. Hey, thank
1:19:43
you, doctor. I
1:19:45
thought that even if Brian Danielson
1:19:47
had to hop to
1:19:49
the fucking ring on one leg with
1:19:51
no arms like the goddamn Black Knight
1:19:54
or whatever, um,
1:19:57
that Tony would let him win it because it's his
1:19:59
G1. one before he, you know,
1:20:01
finishes his full time wrestling career. But
1:20:05
you correctly called it. We'll get to that
1:20:07
later on. But in the meantime, now
1:20:11
here is two baby faces. Daniel
1:20:14
said in Kingston, the whole tournament's practically
1:20:16
been two heels against each other. Kingston
1:20:20
could have been, as we've talked about
1:20:22
an over gimmick baby face. I've,
1:20:26
I've, what have a couple of years ago now when he
1:20:28
had momentum in the article and a blah, blah, blah. But
1:20:31
it's been the same thing for two years, starting to
1:20:34
stop. You see him, then you don't. But also his
1:20:36
worst Japanese
1:20:39
wrestling fantasies have been allowed to come
1:20:41
to fruition where instead of a, a
1:20:45
fucking guy that somebody in Queens might relate
1:20:47
to as a mechanic that worked down the
1:20:49
street from him and
1:20:51
is getting a big time chance
1:20:53
at a sports career, instead he's
1:20:56
a fat guy having bad Japanese wrestling
1:20:58
matches. So that season
1:21:02
has passed. And
1:21:04
then you got the fact that
1:21:06
this went 22 fucking minutes, counting
1:21:08
entrances, I believe with Eddie
1:21:12
Kingston, basically
1:21:14
beating Brian Danielson, one of the
1:21:16
best wrestlers in the world by
1:21:19
bitch slapping him with an open handed
1:21:21
backhand and then a power bomb
1:21:24
one, two, three. Did
1:21:28
this do anything for Eddie Kingston worth
1:21:30
sacrificing Brian Danielson to that degree when
1:21:32
you haven't got Danielson for another full
1:21:34
fucking year? I
1:21:36
think the way Danielson sees Danielson and the way
1:21:39
we see Danielson may be different. I
1:21:41
think the way some of these people see may
1:21:43
be different. This whole thing was set up for
1:21:45
Eddie to win. I
1:21:48
mean, it was, it was telegraphed when he put his belts
1:21:50
on the line early on. And
1:21:52
whether Eddie is the person who should be winning a
1:21:54
tournament like this, at this point,
1:21:56
who's the younger wrestler that's going to be helped by this? Maybe
1:21:59
Swerve. Is he younger? I don't even know
1:22:01
how old he is. Who's the wrestler?
1:22:03
I guess maybe Swerve. And
1:22:06
again, I referenced earlier in the program,
1:22:08
you know, people that I caught at,
1:22:10
he's stuck in a fucking past. Yeah,
1:22:13
damn, he'd book the Midnight Express to Matt. No, I
1:22:15
wouldn't. He'd book the Rock and Roll
1:22:17
Express not on national TV as the world champions.
1:22:19
No, I wouldn't. But
1:22:21
when I did book the Rock and Roll
1:22:23
Express on TV as champions
1:22:26
last, in Smoky
1:22:28
Mountain Wrestling, they were younger than all
1:22:30
these fucking guys are now. Remember
1:22:33
we worked it out. Robert
1:22:38
was 30 fucking 4, right?
1:22:41
Yeah, Robert Gibson was 34 and I think
1:22:43
Ricky was, well, depending on which birth certificate
1:22:45
you believe, he wasn't even 40 yet. So
1:22:49
what's the, anyway. So
1:22:51
after Eddie Bitch
1:22:53
slaps Danielson, what a fucking way to
1:22:56
go down for a former WWE champion.
1:23:00
The plumber comes out and Brian, I
1:23:02
know you saw it, but the folks
1:23:04
will never guess what he told
1:23:06
his opponent in the
1:23:08
finals. He said, I
1:23:10
want you at your best. I want you
1:23:13
at a hundred percent. We
1:23:16
keep joking about this every fucking week.
1:23:19
Can't somebody be honest? No, I want you
1:23:21
to be hurt. I want you
1:23:23
at your worst. I want you hungover. Go
1:23:25
out and party the night before. Because
1:23:27
I don't want to get hurt when I beat you. Fucking
1:23:31
morons. I want you
1:23:33
at your best. Everybody loves you, but they
1:23:36
know and you know that you can't beat me and
1:23:38
on and on and on. And I
1:23:40
wrote this slobbering wino thinks he's a
1:23:42
badass. And then
1:23:44
Kingston fired up and responded with a
1:23:47
bunch of Japanese wrestling references to
1:23:49
young boys and fucking
1:23:51
various. Not in that respect. You know,
1:23:53
the young boys are the, the stooges
1:23:55
over there, the, the, the
1:23:57
fetchers and carriers. But
1:24:00
anyway, at least
1:24:02
Kingston has a little fire to
1:24:04
him unlike this fucking Moxley. But
1:24:07
the whole point was show your
1:24:09
fighting spirit. What? God
1:24:13
damn it. Would a mechanic from
1:24:16
Brooklyn tell
1:24:18
a guy, I'm going to kick your fucking
1:24:20
ass. I don't care who you fucking are. You think
1:24:22
you've been a big star, but I've been waiting for
1:24:24
this all my life. I'll pull your fucking eyeballs out.
1:24:27
Or would they say show your
1:24:29
fighting spirit. Rest
1:24:32
up, bring your best, drink
1:24:34
some fluids, train, be
1:24:37
ready, none of that. Here's
1:24:39
the thing about wrestling. It's
1:24:41
always been this way and then we'll move on to the
1:24:44
next part of this fiasco. It's
1:24:46
always been this way, but when other people, smart
1:24:48
people were in charge, it wasn't a problem. A
1:24:52
lot of the guys in the wrestling business,
1:24:54
Brian, would you say down through history, is
1:24:56
this an inflammatory statement or is this an
1:24:58
exaggeration or is this truth?
1:25:00
Just plain fact. Most
1:25:03
of the guys that have made money in the
1:25:05
wrestling business since the start of it had
1:25:11
an odd or a unique
1:25:13
or a different
1:25:16
look to them visually, physically. They
1:25:18
didn't look like normal people. They
1:25:21
looked unusual even,
1:25:24
right? Would
1:25:27
you say that's a fact? I would say that's a fact
1:25:29
and the most, I mean, Bruno Sammartino was a normal guy,
1:25:31
but he was gigantic. He had a massive shot. Yes, you
1:25:33
would see someone and they'd go, oh man, he must be
1:25:35
a wrestler. Most of that
1:25:38
was the most normal guy. People don't look like
1:25:40
this. Don't look like this. Don't talk like this.
1:25:42
Don't sound of whatever the case, right? But
1:25:45
by the same token, you
1:25:48
would find if you were a
1:25:50
booker or a promoter down through
1:25:52
history that not all the guys
1:25:55
really acted like they looked. So
1:25:58
sometimes you had to give them a little bit of
1:26:00
a look. bit of a gimmick and bring it out to
1:26:03
where that they acted publicly on
1:26:05
television like they
1:26:08
looked, like they appeared, like they spoke
1:26:11
so that the gimmick would be complete. We
1:26:15
Willy Davis was an expert
1:26:17
at horticulture. He
1:26:19
was 6'10 and 350 pounds
1:26:21
and he had a face like a goddamn 30s
1:26:25
gangster, which is why he got into movies after
1:26:27
he was a wrestler. But
1:26:30
you wouldn't expect him to
1:26:33
expound eloquently on the fucking gardenias and
1:26:36
blah, blah, blah and the golden rods.
1:26:39
So that's the point. Kingston
1:26:41
had and has a look
1:26:44
and ability to talk and
1:26:46
a charisma and he should be
1:26:49
instead of letting him fantasize
1:26:51
about his Japanese wrestling fantasies
1:26:53
that appeal to a niche
1:26:55
audience that he's been performing for his
1:26:57
entire life, now
1:26:59
that he's on national television, somebody should have
1:27:02
said no. Like
1:27:04
Watts did for Junkyard Dog. Remember
1:27:08
the Junkyard Dog's original gimmick was
1:27:10
he was wheeling a goddamn wheelbarrow
1:27:13
full of junk from the junkyard and
1:27:15
the chain around his neck. And
1:27:19
Murdock used to come out with, he
1:27:23
played the US Marine Corps theme
1:27:25
and he had a fucking Marine
1:27:27
Corps backpack and he'd hit people
1:27:30
with his entrenching shovel. If
1:27:33
fucking Kingston came out with a goddamn
1:27:35
monkey wrench in his back pocket with
1:27:37
a fucking cap saw to hit a
1:27:39
guy with a fucking wrench, I'd believe
1:27:41
it coming from that fat, ugly fuck,
1:27:43
right? Jesus, be nice. No,
1:27:46
I'm complimenting him. He's got a fucking
1:27:48
look. He's not working it. Fat
1:27:51
and ugly is his look. He's
1:27:53
a fat, ugly fucking mechanic from
1:27:56
Brooklyn or Queens or whichever one
1:27:58
is most- He's Yonkers. Donkers? Okay,
1:28:01
I don't know. I never got that fucking
1:28:03
fine into the neighborhoods over there, but that's
1:28:05
the point I'm making. Yo,
1:28:07
hey, we're gonna fucking go down and bust
1:28:09
some heads tonight at the fucking plant or
1:28:11
whatever the fuck, right? The plant, yeah. Wherever
1:28:14
you could buy this shit from him.
1:28:17
But he would
1:28:19
broaden his audience
1:28:23
if he is the hacksaw dougan
1:28:26
with the two before. Yo,
1:28:29
USA, whatever the fuck. He
1:28:31
said ho, not yo. Ho,
1:28:33
yo, yo, ho. Not yo. Well,
1:28:36
you, you, you're ho and always,
1:28:38
always, always, always mind. Dougan
1:28:41
and I shared a couple of yos as a matter of
1:28:44
fact. Nevertheless,
1:28:46
so. Oh, God. Point is, work your
1:28:49
gimmicks people. So speaking of working a
1:28:51
fucking gimmick. Can I just say something?
1:28:53
Yes, you can. Very
1:28:56
unpopular opinion, but I have a few of
1:28:58
those. But they're still true.
1:29:01
I'm starting to think Brian Danielson at this point may
1:29:03
be the most overrated wrestler in the world. Because
1:29:07
I'm sick of his matches. And why
1:29:09
I say that is I know exactly how his matches are
1:29:11
going to go. And
1:29:13
they almost get too slow for me. Too
1:29:16
slow in the middle. Too slow
1:29:18
with the guy sitting there on his knees
1:29:20
with his chest up waiting for a kick. Like,
1:29:23
I don't like that. And he
1:29:26
may be one of the biggest problems in terms
1:29:29
of the timing of the,
1:29:31
you call it yay, boost fight. You can't even
1:29:33
call it that anymore. Just
1:29:35
the trading blows back and forth
1:29:38
with permission in
1:29:40
the middle of a match. Yes. Towards the end of a match.
1:29:44
I'm really starting to not like his matches because I'm
1:29:46
seeing his match over and over again. Some
1:29:48
of the stuff you could do on the mat is beautiful to watch.
1:29:52
But his matches are, I don't
1:29:54
know, becoming kind of boring to me. Well,
1:29:57
but you know what? You
1:29:59
said he- He's maybe overrated as
1:30:01
the greatest wrestler in the world. There's
1:30:04
two ways to look at that. Both these things can
1:30:06
be true, whatever the case. He's
1:30:10
not been produced and
1:30:12
advised and booked correctly. He's
1:30:15
too indie-minded to be given
1:30:17
free reign over whatever
1:30:19
he does. Although
1:30:22
at this point in
1:30:24
his career, he's going to retire soon and he's got
1:30:26
a family and he's got money. He
1:30:28
ought to be able to do what he wants, just
1:30:31
not on national TV and somebody else's
1:30:33
fucking company. Let
1:30:36
him do indies, right? But
1:30:38
he hasn't been produced orson wells. Made
1:30:42
some real stinkers, right? Because
1:30:45
he'd just take the money and do whatever the
1:30:48
fuck, especially in the later years, he didn't give
1:30:50
a shit. Drink wine. And yes.
1:30:54
And that's the thing is, if
1:30:56
any of these guys, Danielson, remember
1:30:59
that run where he was the sly, smart
1:31:01
ass heel that we praised to the heavens,
1:31:03
the matches were incredible because he had a
1:31:05
variety of opponents who needed
1:31:07
to do their own shit too. It
1:31:10
wasn't a bunch of people working with him that
1:31:13
were pleased and thrilled to
1:31:15
be in the ring with Bryan Danielson and
1:31:17
wanting to try to have his match because
1:31:20
that's what you do out of respect. When
1:31:22
he worked with MJF, MJF had to do
1:31:24
MJF shit, right? And
1:31:28
Bryan, he was doing those
1:31:30
promos which were great. He
1:31:32
was having those matches which were great against
1:31:34
a variety of people. And
1:31:37
then suddenly, as we talked about however many
1:31:39
months later it was, he was in the
1:31:41
meaningless fucking group with the goofy plumber and
1:31:43
poor Claudio, just a mute
1:31:45
fucking lurch in the background. And
1:31:50
it's not special because now he's doing the same
1:31:52
thing over and over, except
1:31:54
when he's out for long periods of time
1:31:56
because he tries to have these goddamn Japanese
1:31:58
matches and it's just... Japanese guy
1:32:00
broke his arm and if
1:32:02
somebody else broke his
1:32:05
face, he'd... Is
1:32:07
someone a great worker if they always
1:32:09
get hurt in these matches? Well, really
1:32:11
appeal more to themselves than anyone else.
1:32:13
No, the guy jumped off top rope
1:32:15
and dropped an elbow on his arm
1:32:18
and landed on his arm and broke
1:32:20
it. That's not Brian's fault and I've...
1:32:22
Fair enough. I would have to know
1:32:24
exactly the spot where he got his
1:32:26
face fucking caved in to ascribe blame
1:32:29
to Brian. That's hard to do
1:32:31
to yourself. But
1:32:34
again, produce him. Tell
1:32:37
him, Brian, no. We
1:32:39
need you that personality that you had and
1:32:42
we need you to... Instead
1:32:44
of fucking encouraging these guys and
1:32:47
girls Japanese fantasies, get them into
1:32:49
the fucking wrestling business, the United
1:32:51
States and how to work and
1:32:53
how to get over as a personality because you've done
1:32:56
that too. But
1:32:58
instead, they want him to go
1:33:01
all out and show this mastery that he's
1:33:03
already showed plenty of in-ring
1:33:05
wrestling in his last nine months in the
1:33:07
business. How about let's
1:33:10
create something that maybe puts his
1:33:13
ultimate career in jeopardy where he wants
1:33:15
to finish at Wembley Stadium or whatever
1:33:18
but something might stand in the
1:33:20
way of that and he has to overcome that and make
1:33:22
it a goddamn nine-month story instead
1:33:24
of having him in goddamn tournament
1:33:26
matches where he's
1:33:28
getting beat with a goddamn backhand. Fuck.
1:33:35
Anyway, now
1:33:37
can we move on to the next bad gimmick? I forgot
1:33:39
what else is on the show, yeah. Christian
1:33:41
Cage, Nick Plain and Nick
1:33:43
Plain's mom who now
1:33:46
is dressing like a Bond villainous.
1:33:48
Have you noticed that? Yes, I
1:33:50
did. I don't think she looks
1:33:52
like Ursula Andress in a bikini, but she
1:33:55
looked like she was wearing black leather and
1:33:57
she has evil intent in her eye. They
1:34:00
were supposed to have a sit down with edge
1:34:04
on this program. And
1:34:06
I gotta
1:34:08
think I don't even
1:34:10
know whether whether this was in the building
1:34:13
or not did they not show edge to
1:34:15
the fucking crowd if that's the case that
1:34:17
they pre taped this somewhere else or
1:34:19
if it was in this building. They
1:34:23
still didn't show edge to the fucking people
1:34:26
right. They
1:34:28
wouldn't have been on YouTube. So
1:34:32
I mean would he? So
1:34:35
they're supposed to have a sit down interview in the
1:34:37
back with Christian and his band
1:34:40
and edge and edge runs into
1:34:42
the room and attacks everybody. And
1:34:45
he and Christian fight out into the hallway
1:34:47
in the security and the job guys try
1:34:49
to separate and they have big fight in
1:34:51
the hall and edge. God
1:34:54
he's got a great mean face boy he
1:34:56
looks like he means business. And
1:34:59
then it was broken up and I'll
1:35:01
get you Sunday or Saturday or whatever
1:35:03
it is. But
1:35:05
I guess those people I just didn't get the edge
1:35:08
in person I maybe did they do that earlier in
1:35:10
the day so we could catch a flight. I
1:35:13
don't know why fly to the building to do that. When
1:35:16
you go to. A
1:35:19
WWE show correct me if I'm wrong
1:35:21
all the big stars usually at some
1:35:24
point run in make an entrance they
1:35:26
talk to you basically talk to you.
1:35:29
But if you buy a ticket to go there live
1:35:31
you actually it see him in the building right. Right
1:35:35
so these people probably thought they were going to
1:35:37
get the edge amongst the they know who's hurt
1:35:39
but he ain't hurt. Anyway
1:35:42
they milk that for almost the whole program
1:35:44
and that's what we got was a fight in
1:35:46
the hallway at least they've never done that
1:35:48
before so it stood out as something different. And
1:35:52
then what did you think of
1:35:54
that lander against blue sky. But
1:35:58
it was all right. And
1:36:00
the a women's division kinda way.
1:36:04
You what do you think a sky blues new? Dark
1:36:07
side personality. She's no longer wearing blue.
1:36:09
She's wearing black and she's teaming up
1:36:11
with house of black Whatever
1:36:16
she is there perpetrator perpetrator. I don't know. She's the
1:36:18
leader. I was trying to do I say leader or
1:36:20
not? But you know, I don't how many how big
1:36:22
is this house? Are they gonna have to put on
1:36:24
an addition? Maybe get a
1:36:27
fucking Murphy bed or something? Is
1:36:29
people are they're moving into the house left and
1:36:31
right nobody's leaving Although
1:36:34
if I was in the house with Julia Hart and
1:36:36
blue sky, I probably wouldn't leave too
1:36:39
often they believe But thank
1:36:41
you very much. Here's the problem I've
1:36:46
mentioned Julia Hart's a personality and I
1:36:50
would have her wrestle very minimally and only when
1:36:52
people pay to see it and have her be
1:36:55
The spiritual centerpiece of the house of
1:36:58
black or maybe even something with somebody
1:37:00
that could actually get over somehow Attention
1:37:02
is put on her but she
1:37:04
ain't just out there taking bumps. I Understand
1:37:07
blue sky is a healthy
1:37:10
exuberant looking young lady But
1:37:14
she's green still and now they're
1:37:16
putting Julia and
1:37:18
blue together And they
1:37:21
did the deal where Julia hits Stadtlander
1:37:23
with the title belt and then Blue
1:37:27
did some fucked up kind of sunset
1:37:29
flip off the top rope saying
1:37:32
the powerbomb one two three
1:37:35
they Stadtlander What
1:37:39
the fuck happened I thought
1:37:41
they were gonna push her I thought she
1:37:44
came back from injury I thought they were gonna put
1:37:46
the belt on her. She was starting to be seen
1:37:48
on TV She's a
1:37:50
grown adult. She looked like
1:37:52
she had improved. I Would
1:37:55
like to see her follow Jane her
1:37:58
friend miss Cargill over to NXT
1:38:01
to get some proper training and
1:38:04
see her in the ring wrestling the adult
1:38:06
girls like Charlotte and Ripley and whoever the
1:38:08
fuck. But now
1:38:11
she's just putting over these green
1:38:13
munchkins in
1:38:15
AW for no, you know, she
1:38:18
made changes. Statlender did
1:38:20
drop the goddamn, I'm an alien
1:38:23
being from another galaxy and
1:38:25
the nose booping and the silliness. I
1:38:27
guess she
1:38:30
has no control over whether they send her out with
1:38:32
the pudding gang or not, but
1:38:34
she improved in her matches and she looks like
1:38:36
a grown adult woman that could do some damage.
1:38:40
And now she's going down to fucked
1:38:43
up sunset flips by blue sky.
1:38:48
That was my observation there. I
1:38:51
mean, Statlender should be in NXT and
1:38:54
Julia Hart and Sky Blue should probably be
1:38:57
in developmental, even though
1:38:59
personality wise Julia Hart's obviously ready maybe
1:39:01
in the ring, she's ready for NXT. I
1:39:04
don't know. I think Statlender should be in
1:39:06
developmental or NXT. And I think that blue
1:39:08
sky and Julia Hart ought to be down
1:39:10
at the mouse's ear, two shows a night.
1:39:12
Oh, stop it. You see now, this is
1:39:14
where you become the chauvinist pig. Oink,
1:39:17
oink. What nights? Anyway,
1:39:20
well, Tuesdays and Thursdays, um,
1:39:22
are, uh, there's no wrestling on what Tuesdays
1:39:25
and Thursdays are amateur nights where, you
1:39:27
know, but anyway, so
1:39:29
that was the main event of the program, Brian,
1:39:32
at least the one I saw because
1:39:35
the main event of AW last Wednesday
1:39:37
was supposed to be MJF
1:39:40
and Samoa Joe taking on two
1:39:42
of the devil Stooges and another
1:39:44
one of these challenges that never
1:39:46
seems to come about for some
1:39:48
reason and right as MJF was entering
1:39:50
the ring. And
1:39:53
before I even saw Samoa Joe or
1:39:55
any kind of a match, I
1:39:59
was alerted to the fact that it was
1:40:01
10 o'clock Eastern and my DVR froze.
1:40:04
They didn't even start the fucking
1:40:06
main event until out
1:40:08
of their time slot. So
1:40:11
can you explain to me what they
1:40:14
did? Because I tried
1:40:16
to read the recap on
1:40:19
the internet and I didn't
1:40:21
understand the
1:40:23
evolution of events as they were written down in
1:40:25
front of me. Alright,
1:40:27
I'll see what I can remember off the top of my head because I
1:40:29
don't, you know, a lot has happened
1:40:31
since last year. Some way or another, Joe is the
1:40:34
one who's turned
1:40:37
on MJF by... MJF was found in
1:40:39
the back, it was on the screen,
1:40:41
lying on the ground, hurt the same
1:40:43
way Joe had previously been I think
1:40:45
last week, and then
1:40:47
Joe revealed himself... I
1:40:49
forget, they may have done the lights out,
1:40:51
lights on again. I remember Joe
1:40:54
revealed that he's in cahoots with the
1:40:56
devil, he isn't the devil, but
1:40:59
he's gonna take that title from Max at
1:41:02
the pay-per-view. So then they... The
1:41:04
top babyface has been made to look like
1:41:06
a complete piece of shit, not a piece
1:41:08
of shit, just an idiot. Just an idiot,
1:41:10
a buffoon. Yeah. He trusts all the wrong
1:41:13
people, but so then now are the devil
1:41:15
stooges the rig of honor World Tag Team
1:41:18
Champions? Yes, they
1:41:20
are the World Tag Team Champions. MJF got to the
1:41:22
ring and got paid. They beat
1:41:24
MJF. Yes. But
1:41:27
never took their masks off. Yeah, I forgot that was
1:41:29
the match, you know, now that you're saying it, I
1:41:31
remember it all in a different order. Yeah. So MJF's
1:41:33
hurt, then he finally gets to the ring, then Joe
1:41:35
turns on him, and then
1:41:38
they reveal that the devil
1:41:40
is paid off Joe, I guess, and that the devil's
1:41:42
tag team, which we believe
1:41:44
in the kingdom, are now the Ring of
1:41:46
Honor Tag Team Champions... Well no, but we didn't know that
1:41:48
then. We didn't know that then. We don't know who these
1:41:50
people are. No. So basically,
1:41:54
the match which didn't start until the
1:41:56
fucking show was supposed to be over
1:41:58
with... Then
1:42:00
what transpired was that Joe revealed that
1:42:02
he had been paid off by
1:42:06
the devil and his
1:42:08
henchmen to milk MJF
1:42:10
into that position where
1:42:12
then he then turned on MJF. And
1:42:16
then the devil's
1:42:18
henchmen who were still at this
1:42:20
point unknown and unrevealed
1:42:23
beat MJF and
1:42:26
win the Ring of Honor tag team
1:42:28
titles that MJF and
1:42:30
Samoa Joe were
1:42:32
defending on behalf of
1:42:34
MJF and Adam Cole who
1:42:37
is hurt and cannot wrestle
1:42:39
for months and months and months from now. And
1:42:43
that's it. So then MJF basically was left
1:42:45
laying on his fucking face again. And
1:42:48
again, this was the buildup. This was
1:42:50
the last thing for the pay-per-view. A
1:42:53
pretty big moment, Samoa Joe, turning on MJF before the
1:42:55
pay-per-view and a lot of people like you wouldn't have
1:42:57
seen it if you tried to DVR this show. Because
1:43:01
this was the thing. They decided
1:43:03
to stick in the overrun spot. Instead
1:43:05
of just not having the, I don't
1:43:07
know, Statlander versus Sky Blue match
1:43:10
and having this fit into 10pm. Instead
1:43:13
of doing it at 9 o'clock and then
1:43:15
referring to it and talking about it and
1:43:17
what in the world is MJF going to
1:43:19
do to get even with Samoa Joe on
1:43:21
Saturday night until 10 o'clock? They
1:43:25
put it on after 10 o'clock and hope
1:43:28
for the best. Well,
1:43:31
that was AEW Dynamite. I
1:43:35
probably should have the ratings and I don't have them in front of me.
1:43:37
I'll pull them up in a bit. Before we move on any further, we
1:43:39
have a couple of updates here. Right
1:43:41
now on Twitter, Housemen
1:43:43
is trending. We're trying to
1:43:45
see what's going on apparently
1:43:48
on his show today. Is
1:43:51
he walking back some of what he said?
1:43:55
Apparently a lot of people seem to think he's
1:43:57
now walking back and he claims. saying
1:44:00
he never actually specifically mentioned Kylie
1:44:03
Rae in any of the things
1:44:05
that prompted everyone to run crazy with it on
1:44:08
Twitter. So you have
1:44:11
to wonder if he's heard from any attorneys
1:44:14
and I have to say I've
1:44:16
said a lot about Chris Jericho. It's
1:44:18
all stuff. It's not
1:44:21
anything like comparing him to Harvey Weinstein. If you
1:44:23
don't have the goods and you're making a comment
1:44:25
like that, I don't
1:44:27
see how Chris Jericho doesn't sue him. How
1:44:29
do you not? But in
1:44:32
old Nick Houseman's, in
1:44:36
his fairness to his interest also,
1:44:39
he didn't say Kylie Rae's name.
1:44:41
He talked about Jericho
1:44:43
signing an NDA, right? And then
1:44:46
other people too. Making other people
1:44:48
sign NDA. Yeah. So maybe
1:44:51
he's trying to differentiate himself from
1:44:54
the rest of
1:44:56
the comments that he elicited
1:44:58
and stands by his comment
1:45:01
about, hey, you make other people sign
1:45:04
NDA's. This is still a developing issue,
1:45:06
a fluid situation. And
1:45:08
like you said, we still have no proof that Jericho
1:45:11
came at anybody naked like
1:45:13
Don Pardo. We have no proof
1:45:15
that Jericho did anything. We also don't
1:45:17
have AEW saying it didn't happen. We
1:45:19
don't have AEW saying this is completely
1:45:22
ridiculous. Chris did nothing
1:45:24
wrong ever. Like
1:45:26
nothing. I don't know if I'd
1:45:28
make a blanket statement like that about anybody. They
1:45:31
gotta say something that keeps festering. Yeah, but nothing
1:45:33
wrong ever. He's only known the guy for five
1:45:35
years or whatever. Well, that's nothing wrong after he
1:45:37
lost the belt the first night that we gave
1:45:39
it to him. But there's the update.
1:45:41
Apparently some people think Nick Houseman walking
1:45:44
back. Other people think Nick Houseman
1:45:46
just reaffirming that despite what
1:45:48
other people ran with, it's
1:45:50
not his story. So we'll see. We'll
1:45:52
add this Jace. You can add this
1:45:54
part to the earlier Jericho conversation. Jim,
1:45:56
one other thing, and then we'll get
1:45:59
back to dynamo. But we got a mix it up. I'm sick
1:46:01
of AW this week. The
1:46:03
Velveteen Dream. Oh boy,
1:46:05
what in the world has he done
1:46:07
now? He has issued a public video
1:46:09
apology. Oh, for what?
1:46:12
Let me set the stage. He's outdoors. This appears
1:46:14
to be in a park of some sort. There's
1:46:16
a facility in the distance
1:46:18
with some truff- Facility? There are
1:46:20
trees. Is there a wall
1:46:22
around it and men with white coats
1:46:24
patrolling? There's not. He is wearing a
1:46:27
camouflage-ish vest and a cap and here's
1:46:29
the Velveteen Dream. Have
1:46:32
you probably seen or heard over the course of the
1:46:34
last few years? I want
1:46:36
to apologize for my behavior. Both
1:46:38
professionally and personally, I always preach those
1:46:40
closest to me about the power of
1:46:43
accountability and responsibility. And I take full
1:46:45
accountability for my behavior over the last
1:46:47
three years of my life. When
1:46:50
narratives were written about me, it doesn't
1:46:53
matter. It didn't matter what was written
1:46:55
about me. It doesn't matter what was said about me.
1:46:58
It doesn't matter what's on the internet
1:47:00
about me. I was wrong. Okay?
1:47:03
And because of that, I need to apologize to
1:47:06
a few people. First, I
1:47:08
want to apologize to the WW organization. I
1:47:11
want to apologize to the WW organization
1:47:13
for any unwanted attention
1:47:17
and negative press that I brought to your brand and
1:47:19
your product. I want to
1:47:21
apologize to the WWE fans and
1:47:23
the Velveteen Dream fans because
1:47:26
when you hear the name Velveteen Dream,
1:47:28
it should have only been spoken about in a
1:47:30
productive and a positive light. Not
1:47:32
the name Patrick Clark as
1:47:35
another statistic of what happens
1:47:37
when talent and opportunity meet
1:47:40
immaturity. Okay? That's not
1:47:42
what you spend your hard-earned money on. It's not
1:47:44
what you invest your time
1:47:47
and your money in. When you look on
1:47:49
the TV and you come to the shows,
1:47:51
you should escape reality,
1:47:54
not have to deal with mine. Let
1:47:56
me stop this for a second. Wow. Now
1:47:58
again, to be fair, and I don't have to. have in front of me,
1:48:00
I believe he previously was
1:48:03
dealing with accusations of some
1:48:06
sort of dealings with an underage
1:48:09
minor. I mean, I think a minor is underage. And
1:48:13
three women and a fucking person. It was
1:48:15
an underage person. I don't even remember if
1:48:17
it was a boy or a girl. Hold
1:48:19
on. I think that was sending pictures back
1:48:21
and forth or whatever. It wasn't like he
1:48:23
was down to elementary school, but he had
1:48:25
a problem also at a tanning
1:48:29
salon or goddamn health spa
1:48:31
or whatever where he got an
1:48:33
argument and they asked him to leave and he wouldn't. They
1:48:35
called the cops and he had some various
1:48:39
issues. And a
1:48:41
lot of it was, you know, he was making
1:48:43
his own headlines there. But
1:48:45
from what he has said so
1:48:47
far, that's about one of the most
1:48:50
grown-up adult fucking responsible statements
1:48:52
I've heard anybody make in the wrestling business. Well,
1:48:54
there's more. Let's go back to this. And I
1:48:56
agree with you. I
1:48:59
want to apologize to the WWE and the
1:49:01
fans. I want to apologize
1:49:03
to Paul Leveque. Paul,
1:49:06
you are such an understanding
1:49:08
and patient man and leader
1:49:12
and getting the opportunity to work with you and to
1:49:14
learn from you. I get the
1:49:16
sense of what makes you who you
1:49:18
are and how you've been able to
1:49:20
handle the responsibility of being in the
1:49:22
public light for such a long time.
1:49:25
I want to apologize to you, Paul. I'm sorry.
1:49:28
Also, I want to say I'm sorry to Shawn
1:49:30
Michaels. Shawn, it's
1:49:34
still beyond me that I've been
1:49:37
having the opportunity in this lifetime to
1:49:39
learn from you, to have your
1:49:41
mentorship and your guidance. And
1:49:46
I apologize if you feel like you've wasted
1:49:48
your time and your energy investing
1:49:51
into me. You have not. I'm
1:49:53
still a work in progress. I'm still
1:49:56
learning. And I remember all the lessons that
1:49:58
you taught me. I'm
1:50:00
sorry. Let me stop it real quick. This is
1:50:02
the greatest apology video I've ever seen in my
1:50:04
life. I'm stunned.
1:50:07
I'm amazed. Yes. Wow.
1:50:10
Let's go back to this. This
1:50:12
is more. My best friend. It's
1:50:16
a Hootie Miles. I want to apologize
1:50:18
to you because
1:50:21
before you were tied to me publicly
1:50:24
for the support you've given me and
1:50:27
you continue to give me, your resume
1:50:29
was impeccable. And I
1:50:31
apologize for any smudges that I may
1:50:33
have put on that resume because of
1:50:35
my behavior. You're
1:50:38
the last person that should have to deal with anything
1:50:40
like that. And I'm sorry, man. I
1:50:43
want to apologize to my family, my
1:50:45
mom, my dad, my
1:50:48
brother, my sister, my
1:50:50
nieces and my nephews because
1:50:53
you may read things. You
1:50:56
may hear about things. You
1:50:59
may be confronted by people
1:51:01
who you don't know and you might
1:51:03
feel the need to explain yourself
1:51:07
on my behalf. I just want you
1:51:09
to know that you do not have to do that ever. No
1:51:13
one should have to explain anything for Patrick
1:51:15
Clark. No one should have to trend because
1:51:17
of Patrick Clark. No one should have to
1:51:19
answer the questions. Where's
1:51:21
Patrick now? What did Patrick do? What
1:51:24
happened with Patrick? That's not your responsibility.
1:51:26
And I don't want you to feel
1:51:29
burdened with that responsibility. Let me
1:51:31
pause. Okay. The plane is in the video. I
1:51:33
was like, is there a plane going over my head? What the fuck is happening? He's
1:51:36
in the park. You got to say he's in
1:51:38
the park. But
1:51:40
again, of
1:51:43
course now the way
1:51:45
that he, maybe it's just he's misspeaking with
1:51:47
the tents but is there something
1:51:49
else he's expecting to come out or is
1:51:52
he talking about the things
1:51:54
that people have talked about in the past
1:51:56
he's trying to make amends for, right? Did
1:51:58
I just misunderstand his tent? I have
1:52:01
to think that's what it is and again, there's a
1:52:03
little bit more that will play here I have to
1:52:05
say he seems composed. He seems yeah very very sober
1:52:07
and somber No, but looking at him too, like you're
1:52:09
not saying like this is a guy who's fucked up
1:52:11
right now or anything He seems like he's really got
1:52:13
his shit together at least from appearances
1:52:15
point of view But let's go back to
1:52:17
the end of the velveteen dream Patrick Clark
1:52:19
apology video It's my
1:52:21
responsibility Okay, and
1:52:24
I apologize to you all for any
1:52:26
energy Negative energy that has
1:52:28
had to come your way because of me
1:52:32
Okay again, I want to apologize
1:52:34
to the fans and Those
1:52:36
in my professional and personal life that
1:52:39
I've affected by my behavior
1:52:46
I'm sorry I'm sorry.
1:52:48
I Recognize
1:52:50
that I was losing myself and
1:52:53
I apologize to anyone that I lost along
1:52:55
the way Anyone that I've
1:52:57
upset or offended because of my behavior
1:53:00
Man, I'm sorry. I
1:53:03
hope you all forgive me Who's
1:53:13
working with him? Holy shit,
1:53:16
that's the best babyface promo I've ever heard in my
1:53:18
life. Yes Um Well,
1:53:21
there you have it. Well, it's good to know
1:53:23
that that he straightened out
1:53:26
whatever his issue
1:53:28
was that was causing
1:53:30
the the situations What
1:53:32
do you think a wrestler should have to do and you
1:53:34
know, it's different today than it was in the past very
1:53:37
clearly to get a second
1:53:39
chance Something like this and again not
1:53:41
even going into the details of what he's been accused
1:53:43
of because I'm not even sure exactly what Happened
1:53:47
as we talked about earlier But
1:53:49
the idea of doing something like this doing it very
1:53:51
publicly Would that entice you
1:53:53
to give him a chance and
1:53:56
you know, maybe on probation? Secret
1:53:58
probation see how it works out What
1:54:00
do you think of this video? Should there be
1:54:03
anything from the wrestling business in return?
1:54:07
Well, you know,
1:54:09
again, he never
1:54:11
says what he's apologizing for. Well,
1:54:14
no, but in the odd, just for
1:54:16
being a general fuckup, maybe he was
1:54:18
on pills, maybe he just, as
1:54:21
he said, immaturity, maybe he thought he was
1:54:23
a big star and he could just act
1:54:25
anyway, whatever the case, right? It's happened before
1:54:28
with various people in show business. It's
1:54:31
harder now, again, in the
1:54:33
territory days, you probably
1:54:35
had a more personal relationship with
1:54:38
the booker or the promoter or the,
1:54:41
you know, one of the boys could come to the
1:54:43
bosses, hey, can we give
1:54:45
old, you know, Zeb a
1:54:47
chance or whatever the fuck? You
1:54:50
know, he stopped drinking or this and
1:54:52
that, or he got rid of that
1:54:54
wife, it was driving him crazy. And
1:54:57
that's the way, you know, guys, but
1:54:59
with a national company and he made
1:55:01
headlines and obviously, you know,
1:55:04
they didn't feel the
1:55:07
need to retain his services. I
1:55:09
think at some point you have
1:55:11
to look like, has he ever
1:55:13
wrestled anywhere but the WWE developmental
1:55:17
system? I
1:55:19
would think he would have to go
1:55:21
out and get booked with some people to, on independent
1:55:25
shows to show that
1:55:27
he can show up, that he's not going to call
1:55:29
bad attention to him if he wants to. Maybe he's
1:55:31
just apologized and he doesn't give a shit about wrestling,
1:55:33
he's going to do something else. But
1:55:36
he can't expect to walk
1:55:38
right back into the WWE before he
1:55:42
goes back to the Toledo Mud Hens and
1:55:44
shows he can show up on time and
1:55:46
still run the bases or whatever the sports
1:55:49
analogies might be. MCW,
1:56:00
so that's Maryland, I believe. Right. Oh,
1:56:03
good. Well, but I'm right now though, I'm
1:56:05
talking about has since he's, you don't
1:56:08
hear about the velveteen dream anymore
1:56:10
or formerly known as, or whatever.
1:56:12
So if
1:56:14
he's been working on himself and getting his shit
1:56:17
together, as it sounds like he has maybe hadn't
1:56:19
been wrestling at all, but I don't think he
1:56:21
could just expect to walk
1:56:23
into the WWE before he proves that he can
1:56:26
do this. Once in a
1:56:28
while at a local level and nothing particularly
1:56:31
bad happens. All
1:56:34
right. Well, that was the live update of the news
1:56:36
that's happening now as we review all the big news
1:56:38
that happened last week. As we get caught up on.
1:56:41
Excellent apology though. One
1:56:43
of the better apologies in the history of
1:56:45
apologizing. People usually don't do that.
1:56:47
You know, when they apologize is a private thing. It's
1:56:49
a, maybe a thing in hushed tones.
1:56:52
That's very out there. I mean, it's a bold
1:56:55
move. That's for sure. Maybe
1:56:58
he's sorry. Maybe he's sorry.
1:57:00
Potentially he's sorry. I'm, I know I'm
1:57:02
starting to regret a few things. Well,
1:57:05
on that note, Jim, I'm trying to
1:57:07
pull up the fucking dynamite numbers. Hold
1:57:09
on. AEW Dynamite that
1:57:11
we just reviewed. AEW Dynamite would add
1:57:13
a fucking in there for YouTube, but
1:57:15
AEW Dynamite, ladies and gentlemen, from
1:57:18
Wednesday, December 27th, 2023 on TVS on average watched
1:57:23
by 843,000 viewers. Wait
1:57:26
a minute. Isn't that what they did two weeks ago? This
1:57:29
week versus the trailing four weeks, the trailing four
1:57:32
week average was 827,000. Last
1:57:35
week was 782. I
1:57:37
know within the week before that was 823 or so. It's
1:57:40
like, it's like the house in
1:57:42
Baton Rouge because of Jimmy Kilshaw, the local
1:57:44
promoter, so 10,600, $10,600. There'd
1:57:49
be a thousand people there, 10,600. It'd
1:57:51
be 3000 people at 10,600. Well,
1:57:53
let's see what you think of these numbers. Again, this was the
1:57:55
go home show for the pay-per-view. Jim
1:57:58
8 to 850. I don't know why I said Jim there. 8
1:58:00
to 815 PM. These were compiled
1:58:02
by Wrestlenomics. Quarter one, John
1:58:05
Moxley versus Swerve Strickland versus Jay White with
1:58:07
picture in picture. 983,000
1:58:09
viewers. Jesus.
1:58:13
So Sheldon again, hands
1:58:15
it off. Sheldon
1:58:17
with the tag. You got a million people there.
1:58:19
What are you going to do with them? Well,
1:58:23
what we're going to do is go to quarter two, 815, 830 PM. The
1:58:26
continuation. Cause that thing was still going on
1:58:29
that match. Yeah. Throughout the entire quarter two,
1:58:31
815, 830 with picture in picture, 869,000 viewers.
1:58:37
Ouch. So a hundred and
1:58:39
14,000 people. So
1:58:43
that's, that's where the real
1:58:45
number starts, right? Basically. That's
1:58:48
what it seems like quarter three, 830 to 845 PM, Danielson
1:58:50
and Eddie Kingston's video,
1:58:54
an ad break, Swerve
1:58:56
and Prince Nana backstage promo,
1:58:59
the Mariah May rant promo,
1:59:02
and then the live angle with Rio and Tony
1:59:04
Storm. Plus the
1:59:07
backstage confrontation between action ends
1:59:09
ready and top flight and
1:59:12
Tremperetta, Orange Cassidy and Rocky Romero.
1:59:14
Yeah. Skip that. I skipped that
1:59:16
on purpose. The other guy on
1:59:18
the show wearing an eye patch.
1:59:21
And then an ad break 839,000 viewers.
1:59:26
Oh, so another 30,000. So that
1:59:28
now we're 144,000 down. It's
1:59:31
only been 45 minutes. They
1:59:33
started with Danielson that quarter. They ended with. Rocky
1:59:36
Romero, two guys with an eye patch in
1:59:38
the same segment. They're the same quarter. What
1:59:41
is the matter with Rocky Romero's eye? I
1:59:44
think he just is a pirate
1:59:46
supporter and enthusiast. Pirate
1:59:48
enthusiast. We're going to
1:59:51
sail off the quarter for anything like a
1:59:53
turd burglar. Maybe so 845 to 9 PM.
1:59:57
The endless Don Callis Sammy
1:59:59
Gavarra. Mara, Callus Family Live
2:00:01
promo, and then the
2:00:03
angle of Chris Jericho, Ricky Starks,
2:00:06
Big Bill, and Sting,
2:00:09
followed by Roderick Strong and the Kingdom's
2:00:11
Backstage Angle, 867,000
2:00:13
viewers. So
2:00:17
they managed to muster back up 28,000
2:00:20
of them. And
2:00:24
now this has been fairly steady. I've
2:00:26
taken out the first quarter because that
2:00:28
was artificial. 869,
2:00:32
839, 867.
2:00:35
They can't keep this up all day. Well
2:00:38
we have the big 9 o'clock hour, 9 to 9 15 pm, quarter five. Brian
2:00:42
Danielson versus Eddie Kingston with picture
2:00:44
in picture. 792,000 viewers.
2:00:49
Ouch! Hey, Danielson and
2:00:52
Kingston, because it's a tournament
2:00:54
match. They're both technically nominally babyfaces. And why
2:00:56
do people want to sit there and watch
2:00:58
them kick shit out of each other for
2:01:00
15 minutes for no reason? And
2:01:04
8 to 6,75,000 people agreed. Well
2:01:08
the match continues into quarters 6, 9 15 and 9 30
2:01:11
pm with picture in picture ads and
2:01:15
then the post-match with Jon Moxley. 832,000
2:01:18
viewers. Also
2:01:20
the high point in the key demo, 433,000 between 18 and 49. And
2:01:27
what in the world do we attribute to 40,000
2:01:30
of them coming back?
2:01:34
Was it the remarkable
2:01:36
backhand slap finish or?
2:01:39
I think the callous angle drove them away
2:01:41
before the 9 o'clock hour and then 9
2:01:44
o'clock hour comes on. It's
2:01:46
Danielson versus Kingston having this match. I
2:01:48
think that match came back
2:01:50
for it. Some of them came back for that. That's what
2:01:52
I think. Well, you may be
2:01:54
right. I forgot about the
2:01:57
fallus effect. We will continue
2:01:59
things again. here with quarters
2:02:01
7, 930 to 945 p.m.
2:02:04
John Moxley and Eddie Kingston's live promo,
2:02:06
an ad break, the
2:02:09
Christian Cage Adam Copeland backstage angle,
2:02:12
and the beginning of Statlender versus Sky
2:02:14
Blue with picture in picture, 794,000 viewers.
2:02:20
And they're back under 8,
2:02:23
but again 869, 839, 867, 792, 832, 794, they've... This
2:02:32
is remarkable. They have
2:02:34
kept much of their audience
2:02:36
for the first time in what months? They're
2:02:39
only down... Again, you got to
2:02:41
take the first quarter out of it because they're down almost 200,000
2:02:45
from the first quarter, but they're not even down 80,000 from
2:02:48
the second quarter.
2:02:52
Well, let's go to the final quarter with an
2:02:54
overrun 945 to 10 p.m. Quarter 8. Statlender versus
2:02:59
Sky Blue continued, the
2:03:01
post-match with Julia Hart, Willow Nightingale,
2:03:04
and Abaddon, the Ruby
2:03:07
Soho Sariah and... I forgot
2:03:09
about Abaddon. The
2:03:11
Ruby Soho Sariah and a J
2:03:14
backstage angle, and an
2:03:16
ad break, 781,000 viewers. Well
2:03:21
that's a gift that that didn't lose
2:03:23
any more than it did of 13,000. That's the low
2:03:27
point of the show, but it was the on-screen low
2:03:29
point of the show. And finally, 10 to 10.06 p.m.,
2:03:33
the overrun, the Samoa
2:03:35
Joe backstage angle where him and MJF
2:03:38
take on the devil's masked men,
2:03:40
and then his
2:03:42
promo, 807,000 viewers. So
2:03:47
26,000 people showed
2:03:49
up thinking they were going to watch Gardening or
2:03:51
whatever comes on after that and like, what the
2:03:53
fuck is this? I
2:03:55
don't think it's Gardening on TBS after
2:03:58
Dynamite. Okay. We've
2:04:01
got to get to the root of the
2:04:03
matter here. From now on, we got to
2:04:05
start dis-including the
2:04:07
overrun and the artificially
2:04:09
inflated first
2:04:11
quarter and doing averages based on what
2:04:13
they really fucking get for a viewership
2:04:16
for this program. Quarters
2:04:18
2 through 8 and the
2:04:21
average would probably be
2:04:23
significantly lower. Well
2:04:25
they're about to be helped. I just saw the ad that
2:04:28
Vanderpump Rules is coming back but it's gonna be on Tuesdays.
2:04:31
Well how's that gonna help them? It's not
2:04:33
gonna be on Wednesdays. Against them. Oh
2:04:36
I thought you meant for a lead-in. No I
2:04:38
meant to destroy them. Why can't they figure it
2:04:40
out where they can have this
2:04:42
Vanderpump fellow lead right
2:04:45
into AEW and then
2:04:47
they'd get the Vanderpumpers and the Big Bangers. God
2:04:49
damn it sounds like a fucking Roman Orgy. You
2:04:52
know all kidding aside if you know that Vanderpump
2:04:54
is the one show destroying you and the
2:04:56
ratings. Why not throw a bunch
2:04:58
of money at one of those idiots and get them on your
2:05:00
shell and try to get some publicity out of it and
2:05:03
ruin their show in the process. Either
2:05:05
that or just fucking Brad Vanderpump say
2:05:07
move over to fucking Thursday. What's
2:05:10
it gonna hurt you? Well Jim those
2:05:13
were the dynamite ratings. Let's quickly move
2:05:15
on now to some other topics. There's
2:05:18
a big one coming up I'm gonna ask you about
2:05:20
shortly but first Jim I wanted to get your thoughts
2:05:22
on the news that broke this past week the passing
2:05:25
of Killer Con. And
2:05:27
for a lot of the
2:05:29
folks who
2:05:31
aren't old enough or who weren't around at
2:05:34
that point, Killer Con
2:05:36
was probably most famous in
2:05:39
America for he had the run
2:05:41
with the WWF in 19... What
2:05:44
was it? Was it 79-ish,
2:05:46
80-ish, 81-ish? What was the
2:05:48
date of Entrez broken? 81-82. At
2:05:51
that time frame where
2:05:53
Andre the Giant had an accident
2:05:56
outside the ring and broke his ankle but
2:05:59
because... he had to be
2:06:01
out for a period of time, they
2:06:03
actually incorporated it, they blamed Killer
2:06:06
Con for it and even
2:06:08
showed some footage of Andre with his doctor
2:06:11
and the size of his cast and then
2:06:13
made something out of it. And that
2:06:15
was unheard of at that
2:06:18
point in time that anybody could injure Andre the
2:06:20
Giant. I don't think it had ever been done,
2:06:22
at least not on any widespread,
2:06:24
maybe in Montreal in the early days.
2:06:28
So that got him over with that
2:06:30
audience, he had a ton of heat but he
2:06:33
was a real
2:06:36
Japanese wrestler
2:06:38
and worked Japan for periods
2:06:40
of time both when he broke in and then
2:06:43
later on when he went home to bookend
2:06:47
his United States
2:06:49
excursions. But he
2:06:52
was huge for the
2:06:56
Japanese wrestling scene, he was much
2:06:59
bigger than almost anybody
2:07:01
except Baba, so he got
2:07:04
over that way and then
2:07:06
had the Mongolian look when that
2:07:08
was fashionable over here
2:07:10
in this country with the ponytail and the
2:07:12
whole nine yards and the big
2:07:15
chops. What did you think of his screeching? I
2:07:17
guess that's the best way to
2:07:19
call it, the best thing to call it,
2:07:21
screeching. Yes, he had, yes, it was a
2:07:24
screech kind of like a
2:07:26
larger more intimidating looking guy doing
2:07:29
cactus jacksaw, you know, at that
2:07:32
level. And
2:07:34
didn't he then, I mentioned
2:07:37
he went back home and wrestled in
2:07:39
Japan when his run
2:07:41
in America was done where he'd worked all
2:07:43
kinds of territories. He was in Dallas for
2:07:46
quite a while, wasn't he? Wasn't he part
2:07:48
of Akbar's gang
2:07:50
of foreign misfits at one point? Yeah, well
2:07:52
he was with Akbar in Mid-South and then
2:07:54
he went to world-class and actually if you
2:07:56
remember there's a great match, I'm sure it
2:07:58
must be available. Morty and Killer-Con!
2:08:00
With Kerry Von Erich as the referee, and
2:08:02
this is before the Freebirds had officially turned
2:08:05
Babyface, and it's the first Freebird
2:08:07
Von Erich handshake. It's Terry Gordy at the
2:08:09
end, covered in blood, after one of the
2:08:12
most brutal matches of the 80s, shaking
2:08:14
hands with the Von Erich. Well, the
2:08:16
Von Erich, with Kerry Von Erich. Well
2:08:19
he was THE Von Erich at the time, to
2:08:21
all the fans. But what a match! One of
2:08:23
the most brutal, bloody matches, but in the ring,
2:08:25
like not like around the arena with chairs. Yeah.
2:08:30
In Dallas, you couldn't go around the arena with
2:08:32
chairs, or you'd have come back in the ring
2:08:35
with knives, sticking out of your ass. Fucking
2:08:38
idiots. But anyway,
2:08:40
for a big man, he was a great
2:08:42
worker, and he had the intimidating look. And
2:08:46
then, but at the same time, when
2:08:48
he went back home,
2:08:51
he didn't just work a gimmick, he was
2:08:53
a good worker. And then
2:08:56
I guess, he owned a restaurant, right? For
2:08:58
some period of time over the last number
2:09:00
of years, since he's been retired from the
2:09:02
ring, that some of the
2:09:04
boys would visit from time to time. Not just owning
2:09:06
the restaurant, I believe he was the chef in the
2:09:09
restaurant. Well there you
2:09:11
go, he wasn't just the owner, he was a customer.
2:09:14
He wasn't, no, well yeah, well no! That's
2:09:16
not how that works. Well that's how the
2:09:19
Hair Club for Men fucking spot went. I'm
2:09:22
not Joe, I'm not just the president, I'm
2:09:24
a customer. I don't know how you link
2:09:26
someone still. Well he wasn't with Killer Com.
2:09:29
Because he wasn't just the owner, he was the
2:09:31
chef. One of the best big men,
2:09:33
I guess, in America during
2:09:35
that era. Because he had a second run with Hogan in
2:09:38
like 87, I think. Oh
2:09:40
that's right, I forgot about that. He was
2:09:42
on one of the, oh
2:09:44
god damn it, you're probably better with the WWF history
2:09:47
than I am. But wasn't
2:09:49
he, didn't they do an angle on one of
2:09:51
the Saturday night's main events? Am
2:09:53
I thinking about somebody else? You may be thinking about somebody
2:09:56
else, but you may be thinking about- But I never met
2:09:58
Killer Con in case you were gonna ask that. question
2:10:00
I'll preemptively strike. Never
2:10:03
met him believe it or not. When
2:10:06
he was in Dallas before we got
2:10:08
there and Mid-South before we got there
2:10:10
and then WWF before I got
2:10:13
there, he was
2:10:15
a trailblazer. He was always there first.
2:10:19
Speaking of trail blazers, I don't
2:10:21
know how much talking I'm gonna do for the next hour or
2:10:23
so. There was
2:10:25
a topic in the middle of
2:10:28
the tsunami of Chris Jericho related
2:10:30
stories and AEW drama
2:10:32
stories. All of
2:10:34
a sudden the news, I thought this was
2:10:36
gonna be the one to pull you back early. Kevin
2:10:39
Dunn out at
2:10:41
WWE. I believe Mike
2:10:43
Johnson was the first person to report it. That
2:10:45
Kevin Dunn had given his notice. That
2:10:48
his last day was the first
2:10:50
or as of the first, I guess the 31st.
2:10:53
And then Nick Khan yesterday as
2:10:55
we are recording, put out
2:10:57
a statement or sent a missive to
2:11:00
everyone on their email chain in the
2:11:02
company saying that Kevin had
2:11:04
departed. So I'll read you that in a bit but what
2:11:06
will your... I'll sit back,
2:11:08
say whatever. It's Kevin Dunn. This is
2:11:10
one of your big ones. Oh come
2:11:12
on. Now see now, you've built up...
2:11:15
you've built up this false fucking expectation
2:11:18
that I'm not gonna be able to
2:11:20
fulfill or to follow through with and
2:11:22
adhered the problem is that it
2:11:25
wasn't a fall
2:11:28
from grace. It wasn't
2:11:30
a goddamn... See that's
2:11:32
what everybody was saying. Oh what's Jim gonna say about
2:11:34
this? He's gonna have a lot of pleasure. No, he's
2:11:36
a 70 year old man that's
2:11:38
made tens of millions of dollars from this
2:11:41
company through no talent of his
2:11:43
own and now he's
2:11:45
gonna go off to fucking play polo
2:11:47
ponies and watch other people
2:11:49
have women sign NDAs. He
2:11:54
wasn't caught with compromising
2:11:57
pictures of him having inappropriate
2:11:59
contact. with a goat and run out of
2:12:01
town on a rail. See, that's
2:12:03
the thing we knew. The rumors
2:12:06
had been out there for some time
2:12:08
that when
2:12:10
Triple H or Stephanie took over
2:12:12
that they'd probably have their own
2:12:14
people in. Well, they never really took
2:12:16
over. But at
2:12:18
the same time, the thought was out there
2:12:20
that Kevin Dunn would be gone if Vince
2:12:23
was ever gone. And
2:12:25
Vince wasn't gone long enough before to test that
2:12:27
theory. But it
2:12:29
makes sense from a company
2:12:32
standpoint with the new ownership but also
2:12:35
from Kevin Dunn's standpoint. Not
2:12:37
only was everybody says he didn't want to
2:12:40
work for anybody but Vince, that's right, because
2:12:42
Vince put up with Kevin Dunn being
2:12:45
Kevin Dunn. He's not a popular person,
2:12:47
he's not a people person, he's a
2:12:49
miserable person. And I mean, look at
2:12:51
the physical state of him. He's 70
2:12:53
and he wants to fucking go away with his tens
2:12:55
of millions of dollars that he got because
2:12:58
he was figured in when
2:13:00
Vince took this thing to new
2:13:03
heights. If it
2:13:05
was Hollywood, there are
2:13:07
goddamn people in
2:13:10
the television industry and Kevin Dunn's line
2:13:12
of work or
2:13:14
in movies or whatever that
2:13:17
have never made a iota of
2:13:19
the percentage of money that Kevin
2:13:21
Dunn has but are infinitely, infinitesimally,
2:13:24
exponentially better at their
2:13:27
jobs. It's because Kevin's
2:13:29
been there for 40 years and
2:13:31
he insinuated
2:13:33
himself up under Vince's
2:13:36
armpit or outer
2:13:39
sphincter ring or whatever he penetrated
2:13:41
on Vince that
2:13:43
led to him being there for 40
2:13:45
fucking years in that position. And
2:13:48
he profited
2:13:51
from the stock deal over 20 years
2:13:53
ago and has continued to
2:13:55
profit from it and
2:13:58
then now he's profited the most from it with the
2:14:00
big sale, he had still
2:14:02
a significant portion of stock. So he's
2:14:05
made ridiculous amounts of
2:14:07
money that I'm not
2:14:09
saying that any goddamn jackoff
2:14:11
that runs the Ferris wheel at the
2:14:13
county fair could do
2:14:15
Kevin Dunn's job. From
2:14:18
a standpoint of dealing with the budgets and
2:14:20
hiring the crews and overseeing
2:14:22
all the different departments of production
2:14:24
and all that boring bullshit. That
2:14:29
as far as having not
2:14:31
only a vision for
2:14:34
wrestling that differed in any way from Vince
2:14:36
McMahon's that was never going to happen. As
2:14:39
a matter of fact, many of Vince McMahon's
2:14:42
worst instincts were either
2:14:46
the seed was planted or they were
2:14:48
watered by Kevin Dunn. Laughing
2:14:52
that anybody would ever present this
2:14:54
in a sports like presentation. But
2:14:57
also you just talk to anybody in television
2:15:00
or anybody in filmmaking or anybody in any
2:15:02
kind of broadcast and
2:15:04
nobody stays in a job like that for
2:15:06
40 years unless they own the fucking thing.
2:15:11
And that was brought up when I was working there 20
2:15:13
years ago. They can't believe he's been there 20 years. But
2:15:17
nevertheless, he's leaving on his
2:15:20
own terms. He don't have to work for anybody
2:15:22
else because Vince made him rich and
2:15:24
now TKO, Endeavor,
2:15:27
whoever it is, they
2:15:29
not only want a different look probably for
2:15:31
the programs but they want a younger guy
2:15:33
in charge because how long seriously is he
2:15:35
going to live at this point? I
2:15:39
mean that's not even being cruel. That's just being a
2:15:42
statistician working for an insurance company. You keep
2:15:44
saying that 70, is he that old? Well
2:15:47
he's got, he's look at him and look
2:15:49
at me. He's
2:15:52
got to be older than me. Look
2:15:54
it up. How old is he? I
2:15:56
don't fucking know. And God
2:15:58
damn it, you know what used to. could be able
2:16:00
to tell what kind of condition he was in
2:16:02
by just checking his teeth, but then he got
2:16:04
those fixed. But
2:16:07
nevertheless, he's made a ton of money.
2:16:09
They want a new guy. They want
2:16:12
a younger guy. Maybe this will mean
2:16:14
that there will be a different look to the
2:16:16
program and not in terms of how
2:16:18
many cameras they're going to use or the
2:16:20
way they're going to light the building, but
2:16:22
maybe in terms of presentation, are the
2:16:26
announcers going to be able to interview talent again
2:16:28
or do the talent still have a free range
2:16:30
to just walk to the ring with a microphone?
2:16:32
Because it's been so long now, that's the way we
2:16:35
do it. Or
2:16:37
are they going to reevaluate this thing and bring
2:16:39
it back to a really
2:16:42
high-def, glossy, new presentation
2:16:45
of what it used to look like
2:16:47
before all the sports entertainment horseshit took
2:16:49
over? The personalities
2:16:51
could still get over it would
2:16:53
probably be easier because you could get
2:16:56
lost in the presentation better. Does
2:16:58
it concern you when people get jobs
2:17:00
in wrestling that trained under him that
2:17:02
may have his philosophy? Yes, yes,
2:17:06
because you don't... That's
2:17:08
the thing. I'm not saying he can't
2:17:10
teach anybody anything about producing television. I'm
2:17:13
saying it would be the worst thing
2:17:15
ever that he ever taught anybody anything
2:17:17
about how to think about wrestling. And
2:17:21
there was the problem. I wouldn't
2:17:23
have had nearly the problem with Kevin Dunn that I
2:17:25
did if he was
2:17:27
like the head of production
2:17:29
at every other wrestling company and just
2:17:31
shot the shit. But
2:17:34
he had opinions with Vince that Vince would
2:17:36
take seriously on the
2:17:38
talent, on the
2:17:40
angles, on how don't
2:17:42
get too rasslin' if you tried to
2:17:45
make people believe shit. That
2:17:47
was what needed to be snuffed out
2:17:49
and unfortunately never was. And
2:17:52
that's what we've got a lot of this shit now
2:17:54
that we look at as a matter of course that
2:17:56
came from that way
2:17:58
of looking at wrestling on TV. television. Well,
2:18:02
let's talk about his early days. He was a
2:18:05
young beaver when Vince McMahon discovered him,
2:18:07
because they say, I mean, how true is it that
2:18:10
Kevin Dunn's father, Dennis
2:18:12
Dunn, saved the company. I mean,
2:18:15
that's the way it's been presented. It saved the
2:18:17
company because he rescued the tapes out of a
2:18:19
burning car. Yeah, no, the company was never at
2:18:21
risk. What happened was... And it was so loyal
2:18:24
that they said, we're gonna give your son a
2:18:26
job forever and make him one of our top
2:18:28
executives. Well, hold on
2:18:30
cowboy. What
2:18:32
it was, was that I... And I heard that
2:18:34
story, which at that time was only not
2:18:37
even 15 years old when I got there.
2:18:40
But Dennis Dunn, Kevin Dunn's father,
2:18:42
was one of
2:18:45
the heads of production back in
2:18:47
the days of the WWF when
2:18:49
they taped in Hamburg and Allentown,
2:18:51
Pennsylvania. That's outside production though, because obviously they
2:18:54
didn't have their own in-house production team or studio
2:18:56
at that point. But Dennis Dunn's one of the
2:18:58
people that used to head up
2:19:00
the production facility where they did post and
2:19:03
they did other things down in Washington. Do
2:19:05
you remember hearing about that? I
2:19:07
believe so, yeah. Yes, and that's where,
2:19:10
because Kevin Dunn's from Washington and that's
2:19:12
where Vince Senior's original
2:19:14
Capital Wrestling, Capital Wrestling, imagine that,
2:19:17
was incorporated in Washington, blah, blah,
2:19:19
blah. Point is, Stanford
2:19:21
didn't come in until later on.
2:19:24
So Dennis Dunn was driving the tapes
2:19:26
back from Hamburg or Allentown or whatever
2:19:28
and his fucking car caught on fire.
2:19:31
And as the story goes, he risked
2:19:34
singed hands and
2:19:36
bony fingers to get the TV tapes out of
2:19:38
the trunk or else wise, it would have cost
2:19:40
him back in those days
2:19:42
a pretty penny to shoot
2:19:45
a TV and pay for everything and pay the
2:19:47
boys and not have anything show for it. But
2:19:50
it didn't save the company, but that
2:19:52
was the start of loyalty
2:19:55
or even more furtherance of
2:19:57
loyalty between Vince
2:19:59
Senior and Dennis
2:20:01
Dunn and also Vince Jr. because he was
2:20:03
at the time, he didn't
2:20:06
own the company yet, but he was the TV
2:20:08
announcer. He was on the shows, right? He'd
2:20:11
have had to do all that shit over again. And
2:20:14
then probably because Kevin Dunn,
2:20:16
who is Dennis Dunn's son, they brought
2:20:18
him in in
2:20:20
the early eighties to be some type
2:20:22
of associate producer, and
2:20:25
then he invents for whatever reason, hit it
2:20:27
off probably because of their disdain
2:20:30
for anything approaching professional wrestling.
2:20:34
And Kevin moved
2:20:36
up in the ranks to where you see
2:20:38
him 40 years later, a 70 year old
2:20:41
reformed beaver who has just
2:20:43
retired with one week's notice. So
2:20:47
how old is he? Did you find that? He is 68
2:20:49
years old. Kevin Dunn is
2:20:51
68 years old. Get to be
2:20:53
68 fucking years old. Somebody calls you 70. You
2:20:56
can't get too goddamn insulted. Well,
2:20:58
here's a statement that Nick Khan sent
2:21:00
to WWE staff and talent. I believe
2:21:02
it was put out there by Sean
2:21:04
Ross Sapp. After
2:21:06
40 plus years of helping to
2:21:09
build WWE and hands
2:21:11
down the best production and
2:21:13
media unit in the entire sports
2:21:16
and entertainment business, Kevin
2:21:18
Dunn will be leaving our company as
2:21:21
of today. Before
2:21:25
WrestleMania one. Eddie, seriously, like this came
2:21:27
out like in a week, right? And
2:21:29
from not even a week from the
2:21:32
start of the announcement, Kevin Dunn is
2:21:34
retiring to new year's day. He's done.
2:21:37
Before WrestleMania one, Kevin
2:21:40
joined Vince at WWF. Many
2:21:43
of us remember a pre-Wrestlemania
2:21:45
WWF, a regional wrestling
2:21:47
company that looked like a regional wrestling company.
2:21:50
Then we experienced WrestleMania
2:21:53
one, whether live on
2:21:55
closed circuit or years later
2:21:58
elsewhere. was magic.
2:22:01
A regional wrestling company had become
2:22:03
a global sports entertainment juggernaut. Vince
2:22:06
led the way side by
2:22:09
side with Kevin Dunn. Joined
2:22:11
at the hip like
2:22:13
a conjoined twin. When
2:22:16
many of us were kids standing in line
2:22:18
waiting to play Pac-Man, Kevin
2:22:20
was already on the road, breaking
2:22:23
his back to help build our company. When
2:22:26
you... So that's what happened to him physically.
2:22:28
I wondered why he was hunched over like
2:22:31
that with that Renfield stature. When
2:22:33
you see our product now, there
2:22:35
is nothing that comes close to its look or feel. 52
2:22:39
weeks a year, three to four
2:22:41
times a week. It
2:22:43
is singular and truly special. No
2:22:46
other company can or will
2:22:48
do that. And that is because of
2:22:50
Kevin and our media team's
2:22:52
hard work, smarts and
2:22:55
determination. We
2:22:57
are forever grateful to Kevin. He
2:23:00
will always be part of the WWE family.
2:23:03
Paul and I will be having an in-person
2:23:05
meeting with the media team at Raw in San
2:23:08
Diego today at noon and
2:23:10
with our superstars at 1230. We
2:23:13
look forward to seeing many of you there and we
2:23:16
look forward to crushing 2024
2:23:18
together with all of you. You
2:23:22
know what would have been great? What would have been
2:23:24
great if he'd have sent that email out and then
2:23:26
had the in-person meeting with the production team where he
2:23:28
said, okay, that fucking no
2:23:30
good piece of shit's out of here, that
2:23:33
goddamn demanding, commandeering motherfucker,
2:23:35
now we're gonna have fun. Just
2:23:39
a change in tone. Well,
2:23:41
it'll be very interesting. He
2:23:43
is right that so much of the look has been it's
2:23:46
Vince, but it's Kevin Dunn. So
2:23:48
many of the things that a lot of people like
2:23:50
me complain about, the staleness, the sameness, the crappy
2:23:53
music, whatever it may be, a
2:23:56
lot of that's been Kevin Dunn. This
2:23:58
is gonna be the first real test. I mean, Vince is gone.
2:24:01
Obviously, they're gonna go after
2:24:03
somebody that had experience in live
2:24:06
sports, one would think because that's the
2:24:08
only thing that compares to this from
2:24:11
a television production
2:24:13
standpoint, you can have shot,
2:24:16
goddamn, the highest rated
2:24:20
sitcom or the highest rated dramatic
2:24:22
program or you've produced The Walking
2:24:24
Dead or whatever, but the
2:24:26
WWE is closer to a
2:24:28
live sporting event still
2:24:31
than anything else in television or broadcasting and
2:24:33
you've got to get somebody with that background.
2:24:36
They're doing live remotes from
2:24:39
the field or the court or wherever. They're
2:24:42
not shooting shit on a set, say
2:24:44
that three times quick. Like
2:24:48
Kevin Dunn had none of that background. They
2:24:51
started out just his father was
2:24:54
the post-production guy. So
2:24:56
they're gonna go to a, I would
2:24:58
think a heavily experienced live
2:25:01
event, live sports director.
2:25:05
One WrestleMania, Timmy Walbert, the director
2:25:07
who later on worked
2:25:10
for TNA and actually came and
2:25:12
helped us in Ring of Honor a couple of times
2:25:14
because he lived in Maryland just as a favor. He
2:25:18
did a 22 camera shoot
2:25:21
at one WrestleMania, a live shoot
2:25:23
with 22 cameras. You
2:25:27
need to not only, Kevin
2:25:29
Dunn a lot of times gets credited as
2:25:31
the director of the program. He's
2:25:34
not. The
2:25:37
actual director is the guy who sits there
2:25:39
and says to the
2:25:41
technical director, ready three,
2:25:43
take three. Kevin Dunn is
2:25:46
overseeing everything, but he's more of
2:25:48
the time than sitting there calling
2:25:50
cameras. He's fucking
2:25:53
chewing on his goddamn snacks in the
2:25:55
announcers here going, okay, the
2:25:57
package is coming up. 30
2:26:00
seconds. That's a
2:26:03
producer, not a director. So
2:26:06
where was I going with that? I think it
2:26:08
would actually hire in-house because it's such a unique
2:26:11
thing. It's hard to go out and get someone just from
2:26:13
sports because they have to understand a whole lot more than
2:26:15
that to do it. It seems like
2:26:17
the kind of job where you almost have to bring someone
2:26:19
up who's been there for a while. Well,
2:26:22
the, the, the thought was it was going to
2:26:25
be the Michael Mansouri fellow, and he's already now
2:26:27
gone to AW where he's got nothing to work
2:26:29
with. To ruin that show. Yeah. Great
2:26:32
job over there. But it's, you know, that's
2:26:34
the thing is who, who somebody's
2:26:37
got to know who all our cameramen are
2:26:39
everywhere and who all our vendors
2:26:41
are everywhere and who, who to get the
2:26:44
lighting in Portland, Oregon and what the fuck,
2:26:46
you know, and that is
2:26:48
an acquired knowledge over years and years if Kevin's
2:26:50
been the only one doing it and
2:26:53
hopefully he shared some of the information with the
2:26:55
other people. But I'm, I'm wondering because
2:26:59
Endeavor doesn't know any of these people
2:27:01
yet. Do they think,
2:27:03
okay, we're going to bring in Johnny Hotshot
2:27:06
that fucking produced a goddamn Superbowl a couple
2:27:08
of years ago. You
2:27:11
never know. And don't forget the
2:27:13
influence of Dick Ebersole and
2:27:15
the NBC sports production team
2:27:19
on what became the look of WWF, because
2:27:21
there's a clear line from what it looked
2:27:23
like in 85 as they were
2:27:25
trying to expand before NBC and
2:27:27
after NBC. That was the
2:27:29
thing. And then by 87 post-indicated
2:27:31
shows or by late 86, they
2:27:34
had the big arena look. Shoot
2:27:36
big people from below. And
2:27:39
you know, big arena, make everything look bigger than
2:27:41
it was. And that was Kevin Dunn. That
2:27:43
was Kevin Dunn, even before he was the
2:27:46
top guy in production. He was there for that whole ride.
2:27:49
But it's going to be, it's going to be interesting
2:27:51
to see, but again, you've got
2:27:53
a tale of two cities. The
2:27:56
AEW VPs are failing
2:27:59
for very. reasons having to do with
2:28:03
not doing her and
2:28:39
produce it that way that would be the first
2:28:42
UFC show when they got the Fox deal
2:28:45
and I came now it was god
2:28:47
damn it who tried to kill
2:28:50
the guy that molested his kid
2:28:52
help Cain Velasquez he was in
2:28:54
he was in the fight against
2:28:56
somebody who's escaping me now
2:28:58
but this was back when I was in TNA
2:29:01
so this was 15 years ago but
2:29:03
they had a one-hour special
2:29:06
on on Fox and
2:29:08
that was the the the
2:29:10
big fight that they were hyping for the title and
2:29:14
it was their network debut and
2:29:17
from the graphics
2:29:19
and the way they presented the program
2:29:21
and the packages they did to explain
2:29:23
to a new audience to a new
2:29:25
network TV audience the rules of this
2:29:27
sport and who the
2:29:29
fucking major players were and the announcers
2:29:32
established themselves and as in color
2:29:35
I think Junior dos Santos might
2:29:37
have done color because he's the
2:29:39
guy that's gonna get the winner of tonight's main
2:29:41
event match for the world title and
2:29:44
I said my god if
2:29:46
somebody had taken Bill Watts's
2:29:49
vision of professional wrestling and
2:29:51
done a network production like
2:29:53
this it could
2:29:55
be huge and
2:29:57
then they had the fight and
2:30:00
it reminded me why that wrestling became
2:30:02
a work because the fight lasted 45
2:30:04
fucking seconds. And
2:30:07
then they had to fill fucking time. And
2:30:10
yes, I know those things happen, but the
2:30:13
debut on network TV, if Ada
2:30:15
had a three-round slobber knocker, holy
2:30:18
shit, but instead it... And
2:30:22
that's why, but that just reinforced
2:30:24
my opinion if somebody could do
2:30:26
what they Fox Network that night
2:30:28
did for the UFC to a
2:30:30
new broader audience with wrestling instead
2:30:32
of this goddamn hokey, you
2:30:35
know, inside the actor studio bullshit
2:30:37
that we've got now, you
2:30:40
could hook people and then you could really
2:30:42
play on their emotions and then you
2:30:45
could get heat when you were kicking a
2:30:47
shit out of that good-looking fucking baby Fay,
2:30:49
etc. Just like we
2:30:51
did a hundred years ago. They could do it all
2:30:54
over again. But instead
2:30:56
we've got Alas, poor
2:30:58
Yorick. If
2:31:01
Vince tries to ever do anything outside of
2:31:03
WWE or God forbid makes a run at
2:31:06
taking it over again, will
2:31:08
Kevin Dunn be there by his side? I mean
2:31:10
when you say he's 60, 80, he's almost 70,
2:31:12
he's leaving, does that mean he won't
2:31:16
come back if Vince calls? Well... And
2:31:20
by the way, I breaking news, Bruce
2:31:22
Prichard has handcuffed himself to a tree
2:31:26
in front of the new offices. He said I'm not
2:31:28
going anywhere. It's the Magnolia
2:31:30
tree down the street from from Titan
2:31:32
Tower. I remember that one. It's
2:31:36
a big if. I
2:31:38
don't personally believe that there's a
2:31:40
chance that Vince McMahon will do
2:31:42
ever do anything else in wrestling
2:31:45
or the wrestling space as they say,
2:31:47
but the
2:31:49
WWE. However,
2:31:54
just from the, you know, goddamn things we've seen,
2:31:56
I guess you can't rule out the realm of
2:31:58
possibility. He might try to tell you. take the
2:32:00
thing over again, because
2:32:03
he's still in that mix. If Vince
2:32:05
McMahon called Kevin Dunn and
2:32:08
said, I've just driven my fucking car
2:32:10
into a ravine, come to
2:32:12
fucking banger main and pull me out with
2:32:15
your teeth. He would be there. But
2:32:18
I don't think Vince will ever do anything but the
2:32:20
WWE. And I think as
2:32:22
the clock ticks, the idea that he might
2:32:24
try to take the whole thing back over
2:32:26
somehow is probably fading.
2:32:30
Well, with that, we say goodbye to Kevin
2:32:33
Dunn. Does this open a
2:32:35
door? Does this open a door for you coming back? Oh,
2:32:38
God damn it. No,
2:32:41
what the fuck? Again, he's
2:32:44
older than I am. He said, fuck
2:32:46
it, I'm done. Uh,
2:32:49
but no, it doesn't open a door
2:32:51
for me to go back because I'm
2:32:53
still not any younger. It's
2:32:56
not a time machine. And I can't take joy
2:32:58
in Kevin
2:33:01
Dunn leaving when he's been made a
2:33:03
multimillionaire by business, that he was always
2:33:06
pissed off that he was in because they always
2:33:08
wanted to win Emmys. He
2:33:11
wanted to be recognized as a great
2:33:13
TV producer, not a great wrestling producer.
2:33:16
And for
2:33:19
what they did and the budgets they had
2:33:21
to keep and the amount of people
2:33:24
they had to hire, I'm sure he was
2:33:26
a wonderful television producer, but on the, his
2:33:28
effect on what you saw and
2:33:30
or what you got to see from wrestling
2:33:33
was not anything to brag about. So
2:33:37
I take no joy in him leaving with
2:33:40
his head held high in his bank account
2:33:42
full. I wanted
2:33:44
the pictures with the goat. Well,
2:33:47
there's still time, but Jim, moving
2:33:50
on from... That goat's getting old. You know, the
2:33:52
prime, the prime breeding
2:33:55
time of a goat is
2:33:58
short with their adult life. I did not
2:34:00
know that. I don't know too much about
2:34:02
the breeding styles of goats, no. So we
2:34:04
ain't got much more time. We're gonna get
2:34:06
those pictures for that. Goats gonna be completely
2:34:08
worn out and good for nobody. Well
2:34:11
Jim, Kevin Dunn used to produce a show called Monday
2:34:13
Night Raw. I don't know how much of this you
2:34:15
saw, how much we have to talk about, but the
2:34:17
big thing everyone's talking about, the
2:34:19
return of the Rock. It was billed
2:34:21
as a former WWE Champion will be
2:34:23
returning. Jinder Mahal came
2:34:26
out, did
2:34:28
a very interesting promo.
2:34:30
He was good for what he said, although
2:34:32
I think timing in place it
2:34:34
seemed a little bit ridiculous. And
2:34:37
then it led to the return of Dwayne Johnson, the
2:34:39
Rock. And we could
2:34:41
talk about the segment, but did you watch more Raw than
2:34:43
that? Or are we just talking about this? No.
2:34:46
I just got a soup son,
2:34:48
just a mere steak tartare of
2:34:51
Raw. And of course there
2:34:53
was another thing that made news there
2:34:55
that I'm going to reference that I did watch
2:34:57
the clip of this. Poor
2:35:00
old, goddamn what's his
2:35:02
real name now? I get DaVinci. DaVinci
2:35:07
of Imperium. They
2:35:09
had to stop a match. And I
2:35:13
know everybody was praising the referee, and he did
2:35:16
a good job there for what they tell them to do. But
2:35:18
did you happen to see that? Or should I describe it for
2:35:20
you and everybody at the same time? You know what? I was
2:35:23
kind of in the middle of other things, but I had it
2:35:25
on the background, and I looked up and I was like, wait,
2:35:27
what the fuck's happening? And I rewound it and watched it again.
2:35:29
So I did see it. Well,
2:35:31
here is... Because normally I wouldn't
2:35:33
pay attention to this match, I'm sorry to say. Well,
2:35:36
and then, you know, you wouldn't be
2:35:39
alone. It was Jey Uso and somebody.
2:35:41
I can't remember against... Kofi Kingston. Kofi
2:35:43
Kingston. Against DaVinci and
2:35:45
Marcel Marceau or whatever his partner's
2:35:47
name is. And they
2:35:49
did a spot where as DaVinci was going to
2:35:52
jump, it did jump off the turnbuckles and kind
2:35:54
of a jump up and turn around thing, like
2:35:56
he's going to cross body or do something to...
2:36:00
Kofi jumps up and drop kicks him. And
2:36:04
boom, down goes DaVinci and
2:36:06
stays there. It
2:36:09
wasn't the drop kick. It
2:36:12
was the... If
2:36:14
you watch it back, he's
2:36:17
reversing his momentum. He's
2:36:20
going forward into the drop kick and
2:36:22
then suddenly he's got to go backwards
2:36:24
from the drop kick. Then
2:36:27
he whiplashed the back of his head down on
2:36:29
the mat and apparently instantly knew,
2:36:33
well, I'm not going to get up. And
2:36:36
apparently the referee saw what the
2:36:39
guy's face looked like and you saw they got
2:36:41
a close up of Jey Uso on this move
2:36:43
and Jey Uso's face, oh shit. So
2:36:46
apparently they could tell that he rung his bell
2:36:48
on the mat and the referee went
2:36:51
right over there and was down and everybody was
2:36:53
selling and he was talking to the guy and
2:36:55
he did the X sign and
2:36:58
they had literally just come back from a break like
2:37:00
10 seconds before
2:37:02
this because the match was in progress for
2:37:04
a while. They come back from
2:37:06
a break into that spot, down, boom, and
2:37:09
they're there. And
2:37:11
so I think the
2:37:13
baby face, Kofi rolled over and tagged Jey,
2:37:15
I believe, and just at that point the
2:37:17
referee called for the bell and stopped the
2:37:19
whole thing. I
2:37:22
don't know who was supposed to win. I assume
2:37:24
the baby faces, so they did win anyway. I
2:37:28
don't know how much longer they had to go, but they knew
2:37:30
the rock was coming up. I'm sure he could pad the time.
2:37:35
But at the same time, it was
2:37:38
kind of an expose because you've
2:37:41
never seen two guys more unhappy
2:37:43
about winning a match than the
2:37:47
baby faces that won the match. You
2:37:50
could almost see them like cussing, like, well fuck,
2:37:52
this is bullshit. It stopped our
2:37:55
match. They
2:37:57
don't know how to react when shit happens.
2:38:00
supposed to happen. It
2:38:02
was even more obvious that this
2:38:04
is a complete fuck-up, that their Uso
2:38:07
and Kofi are standing there going, oh
2:38:09
shit. They didn't raise their
2:38:11
hands, they didn't try to get the people involved
2:38:13
in cheering for them to not
2:38:16
feel bad about
2:38:18
this guy laying there with his
2:38:20
bell rung. Then after
2:38:24
they stopped the match, once
2:38:26
the doctor had checked DaVinci, they saw
2:38:29
him in the camera shot walking back
2:38:31
holding his head but walking down the
2:38:33
side of the ring under his own
2:38:35
power. That
2:38:37
was flat too. They've got to be
2:38:40
able to improvise when shit happens. I'm
2:38:43
not saying to let
2:38:46
anybody work when they're injured, right? I'm not
2:38:49
saying to get the guy back up, fuck
2:38:51
the brain damage. I'm
2:38:53
saying everybody else still has to play their
2:38:55
part enough to think that what would this
2:38:57
be like if this was happening but it
2:38:59
was a shoot. If
2:39:02
it was a shoot, the babyface wouldn't want to
2:39:04
go back in for the cover but the referee
2:39:06
would wave it off, call for the bell. What?
2:39:08
The babyfaces realized we won. Hey, we won. Yeah,
2:39:10
fuck you. You were trying to
2:39:13
fuck us up and
2:39:15
then the partner could come in and he
2:39:18
could take a couple of fucking bumps. As
2:39:20
they're pending to
2:39:23
the injured guy on the side,
2:39:25
the partner could come in and improvise, go
2:39:27
over and spin a babyface around, slap him
2:39:29
in the face, boom, let bing, bing, bing,
2:39:32
shoot off, backdrop, whatever the fuck to get
2:39:34
the people thinking about
2:39:37
something else besides this guy got brain
2:39:39
damage or not, make
2:39:41
it a little bit more exciting, not
2:39:44
make the babyfaces look like just
2:39:46
putzes and not cast
2:39:49
a cloud over everything but yeah
2:39:51
it's phony bullshit and that guy's
2:39:53
really hurt. Does
2:39:55
any of that make any sense? Again,
2:39:59
it all happened on the floor. they reacted on the
2:40:01
fly but you would think- Everything happens on the
2:40:03
fly! You would think they could have done something
2:40:05
where you still had one competitor who was standing
2:40:07
and two others, you
2:40:09
could have done something so that it wasn't just,
2:40:11
alright, let's all go back to the locker room
2:40:13
now. Yeah, just, it's
2:40:15
over. And again- Referee
2:40:17
stoppage was the official announcement.
2:40:19
Yes, referee stoppage and the
2:40:21
people who won the match
2:40:23
were upset about it because
2:40:26
it wasn't what they had planned to do. But
2:40:29
everything happens on the fly. My
2:40:32
first year watching wrestling live at the gardens,
2:40:35
I saw a guy break his leg and
2:40:37
they were supposed to win. So
2:40:39
the guy with the broken leg, the baby faces, and
2:40:42
his partner had to figure out a way where before
2:40:45
he could get out of the ring, they
2:40:47
could tend to that leg that was flopping
2:40:49
around, he had to win! So he won! Crazy
2:40:53
Luke Graham hit Tommy Gilbert in a fucking throat
2:40:55
with the taped thumb and he fell backwards over
2:40:57
the guy with the broken leg. One, two, three.
2:41:01
Now get me to the hospital. Sounds like
2:41:03
a regular coda-abushi over there. Well, things happen
2:41:05
on the fly. What do you think about
2:41:07
this though, considering this comes on the heels
2:41:09
of Tony Khan's comments about being the safest
2:41:11
company in the world to work for their
2:41:13
track record on safety? We'll play the exact
2:41:16
quote later on. The question about concussions,
2:41:18
Moxley brought it up previously
2:41:20
after he was concussed and then worked a
2:41:23
long match and got pile-driven twice. I
2:41:26
can't even say it without laughing, it's so ridiculous. But
2:41:28
that match happened, that match kept going. This
2:41:31
match literally instantly stopped.
2:41:34
A lot of it's about the referee and
2:41:37
what they're thinking, what they're
2:41:39
being communicated, or what's being communicated to
2:41:41
them I should say. What do you
2:41:43
think about this just in terms of the general sea
2:41:46
of change, I guess, around concussion protocol? Well,
2:41:50
it ain't ballet and
2:41:52
things happen and
2:41:55
especially in a big money
2:41:57
match, there's the the effort.
2:42:00
for everybody involved to work through it to get
2:42:02
as close as you
2:42:04
can to what you were supposed to get, right?
2:42:07
And in other times, it's
2:42:09
a goddamn cold TV match. Just
2:42:12
stop the fucking thing right there and
2:42:15
everybody should know how to react and work
2:42:17
around it where it doesn't look like a
2:42:19
big expose. But here are
2:42:21
the more important point that
2:42:24
nobody has brought up is this. I'm
2:42:27
not talking about making
2:42:29
hurt people work or stopping it too
2:42:32
soon when it's a minor injury that
2:42:34
could be sorted out later or anything
2:42:36
in between. Did you
2:42:38
see the dropkick in the bump? Yeah,
2:42:41
because they replayed it, so I did see it. How
2:42:43
did it look to you? Which
2:42:46
part? The idea that that was
2:42:48
the move they decided to do, it seemed like it was
2:42:50
a bad idea to begin with and then the dropkick seemed
2:42:53
like it pushed him back. Yeah,
2:42:55
well I mean you're calling what
2:42:59
happened, but how
2:43:01
did it look as far as of
2:43:04
all of the wrestling that we've watched in
2:43:06
the last two weeks, what
2:43:08
was going to be the move that a motherfucker wasn't
2:43:10
going to get up from? Where would
2:43:12
that have ranked on that list? Pretty
2:43:15
low. Pretty low. Because
2:43:18
it can happen. And
2:43:21
that's where the idea of taking
2:43:25
a plausible bump and selling
2:43:27
it came from.
2:43:30
You didn't have to be thrown off
2:43:32
the roof because everybody knows, kind of,
2:43:35
as they reach adulthood that if you get
2:43:37
your head hit the right way, or if
2:43:41
you take a bump over the top rope like
2:43:43
Buddy Rogers gets your foot stuck in a water
2:43:45
bucket, or some freak
2:43:48
thing, it doesn't have to look
2:43:50
like that a human body would
2:43:52
be burst into goddamn a million
2:43:54
pieces for somebody to
2:43:56
be incapacitated. This
2:43:58
was an innocuous bump
2:44:00
as bumps go in wrestling these days.
2:44:03
Buddy hit his head. And
2:44:07
so therein lies
2:44:09
the lesson. You don't
2:44:11
have to do a shooting star
2:44:13
press off the top rope through
2:44:15
a table wrapped in barbed wire
2:44:17
sitting on a concrete floor, and
2:44:21
then get up and limp for 10 seconds. When
2:44:25
you can take any kind of a bump,
2:44:28
if you build to it
2:44:30
right and you do it right and it
2:44:32
looks good enough, you
2:44:35
can sell it as believable that you were
2:44:37
hurt. So
2:44:41
this was one of the
2:44:44
pissiest looking bumps on the whole show.
2:44:46
But it was the
2:44:48
one the guy couldn't get up from, which
2:44:50
as long as you tell that story in
2:44:52
wrestling all the time, it can
2:44:55
happen anytime
2:44:58
in any way. Somebody
2:45:00
can, you know, three seconds is all it
2:45:02
takes to get pinned. One
2:45:04
bump is all it takes on your head to
2:45:06
get knocked out, whatever the case, then
2:45:09
you don't have to fucking mutilate
2:45:11
yourself over and over every goddamn
2:45:13
day. And if
2:45:15
this shouldn't be a lesson, I
2:45:18
can't imagine what it that so that was again
2:45:21
on the list of dangerous bumps number 984 on
2:45:23
a list of 1000, but it's
2:45:28
the one in Noctem Goofy. So
2:45:31
why don't they concentrate
2:45:33
on selling these type of
2:45:35
things more instead
2:45:38
of not selling shit that
2:45:40
looks like that you would kill any normal
2:45:43
fucking human? It doesn't make
2:45:45
sense, does it? You know, it's like the disconnect
2:45:47
if you think back to the 80s. Ricky
2:45:50
Morton's strong suit was his selling. He was
2:45:52
great at everything. Right. But it was
2:45:54
his selling. Remember when
2:45:56
Rock and Roll Express got booked in all Japan? Ricky
2:46:00
Moore is a great wrestler. Yes. Robert
2:46:02
Gibson is a great wrestler. You know, really good. Well,
2:46:05
Ricky's great. I don't want to put Robert down, but
2:46:07
Ricky was great. Robert stands
2:46:09
in the shadow of, you know,
2:46:11
and that's why, but Robert, especially in his younger
2:46:13
days, and his wonderful
2:46:15
teacher as well, but go ahead. And a physical guy.
2:46:17
Everyone always talks about what a tough guy was. Their
2:46:21
success was their ability to
2:46:24
manipulate the fans and
2:46:27
get them, the fans emotional. Around
2:46:30
Ricky selling. Get the sympathy.
2:46:33
Be a snazzy, well-versed
2:46:36
tag team combination of two
2:46:38
young, good-looking guys with
2:46:40
some snazzy moves, and then one
2:46:42
of them is isolated and is
2:46:44
beaten half to death, and the
2:46:46
other one desperately tries to get
2:46:49
the tag. And then
2:46:51
finally when that happens, through
2:46:53
some type of Hail Mary, they either
2:46:56
come out victorious and slide out of the
2:46:59
ring with the heels wondering what happened, or
2:47:01
they get the shit kicked out of them
2:47:04
and swear to come back and get even. That's
2:47:07
the formula. And Ricky Moore can, during that
2:47:09
match, get punched, shoved, shoulder
2:47:11
tackled, and he can fly across the
2:47:14
ring and he can sell something. Yes,
2:47:17
I've seen him take three bumps for one punch
2:47:19
and it didn't look phony. They went to all
2:47:21
Japan and were getting hit. You
2:47:23
know, it's not a shoot, but all of a sudden they have to,
2:47:25
you don't have to take a bump, you're going to take a bump.
2:47:28
You're about to be run over. And
2:47:31
it was a completely different style, and I
2:47:33
like all Japan and I like Japanese wrestling,
2:47:36
especially from the 80s and 90s, but
2:47:38
it wasn't the right fit. That
2:47:40
was the difference between American style and
2:47:43
Japanese style. Unfortunately,
2:47:45
that Japanese style, whether
2:47:48
it was the men's or the women's wrestling, has
2:47:51
kind of infiltrated America, even
2:47:53
though there really wasn't a big fan demand
2:47:55
for it. And now they're finding out that
2:47:57
the same thing applies in reverse. It don't.
2:48:00
work the other way either. Ricky
2:48:04
and Robert were selling fucking buildings
2:48:06
out across the country with that
2:48:08
formula. Didn't fucking work in Japan.
2:48:10
They couldn't
2:48:12
grasp it because that wasn't their culture
2:48:14
over there and the style that they were used
2:48:16
to. And now because the
2:48:19
American wrestlers became fans of what they
2:48:21
were doing over there, they try to
2:48:23
bring it over here and it
2:48:25
don't work either. The other way
2:48:27
around. People want to see an
2:48:30
underdog. They want to see a baby face. They
2:48:32
want to see a fucking struggle. They want to
2:48:34
see all the emotions of these. They
2:48:36
want a reason to watch the fight. Why are
2:48:38
they mad at each other? They want their wrestler
2:48:40
not to be injured so they could see him.
2:48:43
Yes, they want all those things.
2:48:45
And that's why that what
2:48:48
works here don't work yawn and what
2:48:50
works yawn don't work here. That's one
2:48:52
of the big problems America got away from
2:48:54
what made American wrestling work for America. And
2:48:57
now it's just kind of what the most
2:49:00
super hardcore wrestling fans want American wrestling
2:49:02
to be. America didn't get away from
2:49:04
it. The American wrestlers got away
2:49:07
from it and the American fans said, what the fuck
2:49:09
are they doing? We used to like this shit. Well
2:49:12
Jim, speaking of things that fans used
2:49:15
to like and still do, the very
2:49:17
popular Rock returned to Monday Night
2:49:20
Raw. As I mentioned
2:49:22
earlier, Jinder Mahal giving a promo,
2:49:24
a speech about how much he
2:49:26
hates America out of nowhere and how
2:49:29
awful and disgusting. He was getting some real
2:49:31
booze. It sounded like that's military
2:49:33
town that someone was ready to jump the
2:49:35
rail or something. It sounded like it. No,
2:49:37
and here's the thing. They
2:49:40
may have stumbled onto something here but they won't
2:49:42
capitalize on it. The Rock was
2:49:46
two hours away at a football game
2:49:49
from where they were doing Raw and obviously they
2:49:51
got a chance to have him come. So they
2:49:53
put out that a former champion will return and
2:49:56
people wonder who gonna be, who gonna be, and then have
2:49:59
a good one. in the building
2:50:01
comes gender Mayhall and
2:50:03
the people were shitting on it. Ah fuck, we
2:50:05
thought it was gonna be somebody we liked and
2:50:08
they shit on him and they even
2:50:11
said, why are you disappointed? And they
2:50:13
started what-ing him and
2:50:16
they were just shitting on it, they weren't gonna
2:50:18
like it and they started what-ing him. And what
2:50:20
this was designed for was
2:50:22
just for him to come out and cut an
2:50:25
anti-American promo that's as old as the hills so
2:50:27
that then when the rock
2:50:29
came out, obviously
2:50:31
he's on the other side and the
2:50:34
people would be happy, right? But
2:50:36
I don't even know if the writers,
2:50:39
the young writers these days that they
2:50:41
have, if anybody realized this and maybe
2:50:43
gender Mayhall knew that I
2:50:45
might be able to make something out of
2:50:47
this because as he started in on
2:50:49
the thing, he started
2:50:52
as you said, he started getting real
2:50:54
heat and they started to listen
2:50:56
and they started getting
2:50:59
pissed off instead
2:51:01
of the what and the bah. He's
2:51:04
a big ugly motherfucker, he's
2:51:07
a foreigner but Brian,
2:51:09
you know the old rule of
2:51:11
thumb about heels
2:51:14
lie and baby faces tell the
2:51:16
truth, right? That's a rule of thumb
2:51:18
in wrestling. Right. Do you
2:51:20
know when that rule can be violated? When?
2:51:24
When it's an arrogant,
2:51:26
obnoxious, foreign menace telling
2:51:30
the truth about the United States and
2:51:34
that gets heat. He
2:51:37
said you've never been more
2:51:39
divided, your politics, your news,
2:51:41
the misinformation, the ignorance. This
2:51:43
country was once a superpower and now it's
2:51:46
a joke and that's
2:51:48
when they started fucking, oh fuck
2:51:50
you and that's the thing
2:51:53
is right now they're... And
2:51:55
it's a military town, San Diego
2:51:58
is a military town. You could
2:52:00
do it anywhere. You could do it anywhere.
2:52:03
In that right now, if you had an American
2:52:06
wrestler go
2:52:09
out and be a Democrat or
2:52:11
Republican, he would
2:52:13
only be a heel to half the crowd, right? Because
2:52:17
as far apart as those two things are,
2:52:20
and we know all the reasons why, if
2:52:23
you speak anything related to
2:52:27
Republican ideology to a Democrat, you're going to
2:52:29
be a fucking heel and vice versa. Whether
2:52:33
you're telling the truth or not, because
2:52:35
Republicans are disgusting and Democrats are usually
2:52:37
right, but nevertheless, if
2:52:40
you get a foreign heel, especially
2:52:43
one that we've been mad
2:52:45
at recently, the Germans kind of become
2:52:47
baby faces again, and
2:52:50
he tells the truth about this country,
2:52:55
gender may hold, they really started booing
2:52:57
him. He struck a nerve. He
2:53:00
started to speak in Punjabi, and
2:53:02
then when they booed him,
2:53:04
he revealed that they just booed the words
2:53:06
to the United States national anthem. That
2:53:09
was he, right there when he said that. I'm like,
2:53:11
ooh, if anyone's going to shoot him, it's now. And
2:53:15
if you had a guy like that
2:53:17
come out and say you had a
2:53:19
fucking criminal for your president, he's
2:53:22
now being charged with fucking
2:53:24
felonies, he's going
2:53:26
to prison, all of
2:53:29
you are disgusting criminal pigs, then
2:53:33
even the fucking Republicans
2:53:35
or even the Democrats would
2:53:37
get mad, because yes, Trump was
2:53:39
a criminal pig and we hope he is going
2:53:41
to prison, but fuck you. You're
2:53:44
pointing out in front of the world that
2:53:46
goddamn, we elected a criminal fucking
2:53:48
pig to be the president, and
2:53:51
fuck you, your country's worse. You see where I'm
2:53:53
going with this, no matter what the situation, an
2:53:56
American can't do it, but a foreigner can. He
2:53:58
can tell the truth about all It's the
2:54:00
same thing as a heel
2:54:02
going to town and
2:54:04
knocking the local sports team for being
2:54:07
losers only magnified millions of times over.
2:54:11
You get a foreign heel that can talk and
2:54:13
he can come out and tell the truth about
2:54:15
everything that's wrong with the country and
2:54:17
how they were all at each other's throats
2:54:20
because a bunch of people are ignorant, believe
2:54:22
misinformation and want criminals to be in
2:54:24
charge and I don't care what party you're on. You
2:54:27
don't like that guy. And they'd
2:54:29
have to bring him out of the building in bulletproof
2:54:32
fucking cars. A, I don't
2:54:35
think it would last very long because I think eventually
2:54:37
it would get too much pressure about doing it that
2:54:40
a company like CAA or you know
2:54:42
TKO will say we can't run with
2:54:44
this, let alone the networks. No,
2:54:47
this would this would have been good old-time local
2:54:49
wrestling where you'd started riots but you can't do
2:54:51
it on national TV because they're too touchy. The
2:54:53
second thing is, and I thought this was the
2:54:55
best I've ever seen, Jinder Mahal even though I
2:54:58
get the material maybe somewhat questionable, it
2:55:02
seemed to me like this was a one and done. Did you think like
2:55:04
he was going to do more of this? I mean, they brought him out
2:55:06
there and then immediately he got
2:55:08
squashed. No, that's what I'm
2:55:10
saying. They only set this up purely as
2:55:12
a bait and switch, you know, a tease
2:55:14
where they announced a former champion was going
2:55:17
to come and then surprise him with the
2:55:19
rock and he gets to beat somebody up.
2:55:21
But do you think they were scared? I
2:55:23
mean, the fact that they had to load this up so
2:55:25
much to get a babyface pop, which I mean,
2:55:27
they're gonna get a massive pop for the rock. Do
2:55:30
you think it was too much? No,
2:55:33
because it was actually good
2:55:35
for once because normally it's the Miz coming
2:55:37
out and making canned smart ass remarks and
2:55:39
then some legend coming out and beating him
2:55:42
up until he switched babyface. This
2:55:44
was somebody you really
2:55:46
wanted to see the rock come out and beat the shit
2:55:48
out of him by the time he got finished. It was
2:55:50
fucking great. And
2:55:52
that's the thing, I
2:55:55
wrote if this guy could work, he'd be the
2:55:57
hottest heel in the company. could
2:56:00
come out there and kick his ass right away and grab the
2:56:02
mic and said head of the table and walked out it would
2:56:04
have been great. Well
2:56:06
but... Instead we had the worst of Brian
2:56:08
Gewertz. You not only had to get the
2:56:11
quarter hour but also you had to make up for
2:56:13
the match that got cut short. And let's
2:56:17
face it also with the way
2:56:19
that Raw goes these days if you can get
2:56:21
20 minutes of the Rock that's better than fucking
2:56:24
20 minutes. If you promised everybody will come
2:56:26
to your house and individually let you have
2:56:29
sex with fucking strippers.
2:56:32
I just want to see the Rock for 20
2:56:34
minutes. No, no way. Give me a break. Alright,
2:56:36
maybe half the audience. Now he's here. I mean
2:56:38
come on. So when
2:56:40
he went into gender Mayhall, went
2:56:42
into... And now I'm
2:56:44
gonna speak more Punjabi about what the
2:56:46
rest of the world thinks of because
2:56:48
he could say the entire rest
2:56:51
of the world thinks you're all idiots. You
2:56:53
had a buffoon for a leader, it
2:56:55
turned you into a fucking clown show,
2:56:58
you were a joke. Nobody respects you,
2:57:00
you'll never get it back. Again,
2:57:03
people don't want to lynch this son of a
2:57:05
bitch. But anyway, here
2:57:07
comes the rock music and the people
2:57:10
lost their fucking grip. Did you see
2:57:12
coats and things being flung in
2:57:14
the air and people hit their feet because... What's San
2:57:16
Diego? I don't know how many coats there were. Well
2:57:19
whatever the case, I saw
2:57:22
things go up in the air. But
2:57:25
to point it, maybe it was just people waving
2:57:27
their hands and probably like they didn't care. But
2:57:31
the point is, normally you would expect
2:57:33
this to happen but he had gone
2:57:35
on long enough that I think they'd
2:57:37
kind of given up on something
2:57:40
like that happening and then when they hit the
2:57:42
music they milked it great and people lost their
2:57:44
fucking minds. Coincidentally
2:57:46
at 9.56 p.m. Eastern
2:57:50
when Rock started making his entrance but by
2:57:52
the time he finished milking and the chants
2:57:54
and the cheers, he didn't speak
2:57:56
for four minutes so he spoke at the 10
2:57:58
o'clock hour. I mean,
2:58:01
they're right on- they can time this down
2:58:03
to a fucking f***ing hair's difference. And...
2:58:08
Then Rock did his thing. He told
2:58:10
gendermayhall that he wasn't the Iron Sheik.
2:58:13
That his Iron Sheik would say, Bubba, you had
2:58:15
no good son of a bitch, jabroni bastard. This
2:58:18
was so lame, it's so bad. You have to call
2:58:20
it out. Oh, come on! You have to call it
2:58:22
out. It was so awful. It's-
2:58:25
it's the Rock! He's lame! He's- he's
2:58:27
turned into a lame-o! This is Hogan
2:58:29
coming back in 93! He
2:58:32
can read a cookbook! It doesn't
2:58:34
matter! This is
2:58:36
the worst material ever. It doesn't matter! He talked to the
2:58:39
Sheik in the sky! It doesn't matter. Now you're talking to
2:58:41
the promo! He talked to
2:58:43
the Sheik in the sky! He told
2:58:45
gender that he had a raging asshole
2:58:47
face. Instead of a resting bitch face,
2:58:50
he knocked his movie Baywatch. He
2:58:53
defended America and got the USA
2:58:55
chant going. And
2:58:57
then he got
2:58:59
the one side of the arena to chant
2:59:01
Day One and the other side of the
2:59:04
arena to chant Douchebag forever.
2:59:06
They would- if he'd have said in
2:59:09
10 seconds everybody on the left side of
2:59:11
the arena is gonna start
2:59:13
blowing everybody on the right side of the arena,
2:59:16
Data had to turn the cameras off. No, that wouldn't have
2:59:18
happened. Why would that be- They
2:59:20
wouldn't do anything he says! They're gonna be so
2:59:22
sick of this righted up idiot in a few
2:59:25
weeks, you'll see. There was
2:59:27
nobody in San Diego that was sick
2:59:29
of anybody. They were Day One Douchebag,
2:59:32
Day One Douchebag. Because the chant is
2:59:34
fun! They're an audience that'll sing Seth
2:59:36
Rollins' music until he lays down. Hey,
2:59:40
but here's the- imagine that
2:59:42
fucking- the average fucking yahoo
2:59:44
on the AEW roster came out in front of
2:59:46
a full building in San Diego and said I'm
2:59:48
gonna tell you what to chant and I want
2:59:51
you to do it. No, this is literally what
2:59:53
MJF was just doing a few weeks ago. I
2:59:55
said the average douchebag. But I said it didn't
2:59:57
work. I mean, remember when MJF was doing a
2:59:59
hoodie?
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