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Hello again, friends! And

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you are our friends, and welcome back to

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another edition of Jim Cornette's drive-through right here

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at the end of February, the beginning

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of March by the time you hear it, late year, on

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the 29th of February we sit here to

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record this mess. But

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what better way to pay tribute to Ollie

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Anderson than to have an awful intro here to the

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show. I'm your host, the Great Brian

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Last, here's Mr. Jim Cornette. Morning,

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Brian. Now that's Bob Brube, that's Ollie

0:28

Anderson. Oh, I'm so, hold on, let

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me wake up here. I'm not well

0:33

rested. We've been

0:35

having problems down here in this region,

0:37

in the Ohio Valley area, and I'm

0:39

not well rested for that. Generally, when

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we have one of these programs where

0:44

I've had very little sleep, I'm either

0:46

cranky or silly. Perhaps

0:49

in honor of Ollie today, I will

0:51

go toward the happy horseshit and

0:54

just not take anything seriously. But now,

0:56

have you heard about our weather? Well,

0:58

now you've been down, you've had

1:01

a little flu bug. Over

1:03

the past day or two yourself, fortunately you were

1:05

able to get a good meal in before you

1:07

went down. But

1:09

more on that, I'm sure, at another time. But

1:12

nevertheless, have you heard about our weather? No,

1:16

we've been having weather issues up here. We just had a

1:18

massive windstorm last night, so I did not hear about your

1:20

weather. How fast was your

1:22

wind blowing? Forty to fifty miles per hour.

1:25

Well, we had that and

1:28

we did it first instead

1:30

of the Simpsons. You

1:33

know what happened last February. You remember

1:35

the two storms a week apart that

1:38

we had in identical weather that we've

1:40

been having, it'll get up to 70

1:42

degrees and then a fucking

1:44

low pressure system will come in and

1:47

we'll have fucking severe weather and then

1:49

it'll be snowing and freezing. And

1:52

last year, two weeks in a row,

1:55

we had horrible storms, including that one

1:57

where a tornado's near the area. Fucking

2:00

heavy rain, 100 mile an hour

2:02

straight line winds, fucking damage everywhere.

2:05

My neighbor's fucking pine

2:07

tree, 60 foot fucking fell over on

2:09

my fence, big chunk out of my

2:11

maple, chaos everywhere. The neighbor had no

2:13

power for a week. As

2:16

you may recall from my updates on the program

2:18

where she had the Home

2:20

Depot rented generator with a fucking cord

2:22

stuck through her kitchen window because her

2:25

neighbor's tree took

2:27

her power lines out all from the road to

2:29

her house and in a wooded

2:31

area where you couldn't even tell which tree was

2:33

down and it took the

2:35

power company a week to come and dig that

2:37

shit out and Restring a line two or three

2:39

hundred feet or whatever. So

2:42

I'm nervous about these things. So

2:45

we they said well, we're gonna have some

2:47

thunderstorms Monday night Tuesday morning. Nothing

2:50

to worry about too much, but you

2:52

know just regular old thunderstorms at 4

2:54

30 in the morning BAM crash pow!

2:58

Lights coming through that look like goddamn Independence

3:00

Day with the fucking flying saucers landing with

3:02

the lights coming through the window from the

3:05

lightning. Harley was

3:07

not amused. And of

3:09

course, I get up and monitor these things. So

3:11

I was up at 4 30 on Tuesday

3:15

morning, but the storm they

3:18

had been promo-ing Tuesday

3:20

night into Wednesday massive

3:23

low pressure system thunderous

3:25

fucking wind speed. Tornadoes

3:29

are likely in this situation that

3:31

the weather service upgraded

3:34

it from a slight risk to an

3:36

enhanced risk. We were in the orange

3:38

category Brian. A

3:40

big oval across the goddamn Midwest and

3:43

Ohio Valley you people are fucked. The

3:45

the announcers are basically saying make out

3:47

your last will and testaments. There were

3:49

tornado warnings in Chicago, I think right?

3:52

Yes, it was all part of this

3:54

massive storm system and our weather

3:57

guru here Mark Weinberg saying

4:00

I'm more worried about severe weather in Chicago,

4:02

it could be even worse. Which

4:05

is, it turned out it was more on that in a minute. So

4:08

I'm thinking, oh fuck it. It's supposed to come

4:10

through between three and four in the morning, Tuesday

4:12

night, Wednesday morning. I'm thinking I've got to keep

4:14

an eye on this shit. That's where it's exactly

4:17

what happened last year. And

4:19

then on the six to seven o'clock news,

4:23

they started backing up on it. They

4:25

started, well, you know, Mark's saying, well, I

4:27

don't agree with the, uh,

4:30

the severe area going this far this

4:32

way. And now the

4:34

weather service is saying, well, it appears that

4:36

some of these storms may not be materializing

4:38

across the Southern planes or whatever, but still

4:40

we're going to have some shit going on.

4:42

So be prepared to meet your

4:45

maker. So

4:47

I set the fucking alarm for

4:49

three o'clock in the morning for

4:52

me and little Harley stay sleeps through

4:54

these things, unless I come in screaming,

4:56

go under the pool table now. And

5:01

I get up and it takes until four o'clock for the

5:03

storm to come through my little section of the world here,

5:05

my little part of the community. And

5:10

it wasn't as loud or impressive lightning

5:12

wise or as much rain as for

5:15

the one that they had fucking, not that I'm

5:17

complaining now, I'd rather that than death, destruction,

5:19

and poof, you're gone. Uh,

5:23

but it wasn't as loud and impressive as

5:25

the one the previous night that they didn't

5:28

issue all these warnings about now, some people

5:30

down South got a

5:33

little bit worse weather and a

5:35

severe storm warning and hail the size of,

5:37

I believe they

5:39

said rutabagas, I'm not sure. But

5:43

no, but so then when

5:45

that's all gone through about five 30 as well,

5:47

maybe I could go to sleep, but I had

5:49

to get up early cause I had to run

5:51

Harley over for a checkup. So I've had very

5:54

little sleep And what I

5:57

have done in my waking hours is watch

5:59

a lot of. Questionable.

6:01

Television Wrestling! So I am now

6:04

here years ready to do. Whatever.

6:07

It is that you want to do here

6:09

on your program. Did remind everybody that the.

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you have brought about this assembly line process.

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6:46

from the other on sales. We've done the

6:48

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also have you know. That. All.

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6:55

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7:00

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8:15

that because we have. Been. Able

8:18

to quip this thing into shape

8:20

and they are packing now. All.

8:23

Of the other merchandise the the court

8:25

had face t shirts, calls court had

8:27

memberships to of gets books, Dvds at

8:29

etc etc. Will go back up for

8:31

sale. On. Saturday March ninth.

8:33

We took that merchandise down to concentrate

8:35

on figure said so that we didn't.

8:38

Get. Further up, a backlogged or

8:40

waterlogged as we have sometimes been.

8:43

And. Now that stuff will be able to go back up

8:45

on sale as we have. Slogged.

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Through this logs. Or

8:51

on should I do transitioning a more much

8:53

tata different as well as say we talked

8:55

about the weather we as a merchandiser the

8:57

gadget dad detail what's new with you they

8:59

did you see carry him as he was

9:01

carry her Posted a picture on twitter of

9:04

his classic Hornet mug with the logo on

9:06

it. Yes that's the one of the

9:08

ones that we will I would. that's a pint

9:10

Glass is what he has. a high class that's

9:12

we're not of mug of when what's the matter

9:14

with you You mug are used the wrong lawyers.

9:17

They. Would make fun of you over

9:19

across the pond. In. The

9:21

United Kingdom over there not know. And

9:23

a pint glass from a mug. They've.

9:27

They would be little you for that. That's

9:29

that's a big deal. over that. They these

9:31

people take their drinking seriously over there will

9:33

bless them. Maybe little muscles will happen. We.

9:35

Are country so I wailed meher baba. They

9:38

may have another shot at it here pretty

9:40

soon. You never know what you never know,

9:42

but. Gym. One we saw we

9:44

will lot of topics, lot of big topics to get,

9:46

two and a couple big reviews that you are things

9:48

you watch over the last few days. But let's start

9:50

with a serious topics. Only.

9:53

Anderson. Rock. Rogalski.

9:55

Passed. Away this past week. A.

9:58

storied career a legendary com Lots

10:00

of stories, lots of incidents, wrestler,

10:02

booker, promoter, everything. Someone

10:05

you had lots of dealings with. You

10:07

saw him as a fan. You

10:09

were a colleague of his. Eventually, somehow

10:12

you earned some respect from him, I think. But

10:16

someone who at various points in your life you

10:18

certainly thought different things about. Let's talk

10:20

a little bit about Ollie Anderson. And

10:23

also, for the people,

10:25

Rock Rogowski, he wasn't THE Rock.

10:29

But for the people especially who had known

10:31

him since the Ganya days, it would call

10:33

it Rock and everybody knew personally,

10:36

not on TV but in the locker room or whatever,

10:38

and everybody knew who you were

10:41

talking about. Although I will

10:43

say when he turned babyface like that match with Big

10:45

Bubba in the cage at the Crockett Cup, that

10:47

was his name. They called him Ollie Anderson the Rock and

10:49

he had a shirt that said The Rock on it. Do

10:52

I have that? That's right. And then

10:54

all of a sudden, Vincent Mann made Don Morocco the Rock.

10:56

So he took that away from him. Well,

10:58

but I think maybe they may have taken

11:00

it away because it was too close to

11:02

the Rock and Roll Express at that time.

11:05

In all seriousness, Ollie

11:08

was 81 and unfortunately, he'd been

11:10

in bad health for some time

11:12

now. I can't say it. I

11:16

believe. MS? Yeah, multiple sclerosis,

11:18

I believe. Thank you. And

11:22

it's a shame but 81 and

11:25

my God, he survived even

11:27

stabs seven times including that one in Greenville.

11:29

It was like a fucking half inch from

11:32

his heart and

11:35

just a long and varied life.

11:38

And Ollie's not the kind of guy,

11:40

I mean, I'm not saying with his

11:42

family and we're close friends

11:44

but Ollie's not the kind of guy that

11:48

you really cry about because

11:51

he would have laughed at you if you did, right?

11:53

Because that sarcastic old rat. But

11:57

boy, what a fucking almost

11:59

unique. talent that

12:02

he was in the business of a

12:04

fascinating guy and a brilliant guy,

12:06

intelligent guy. And

12:08

I know a lot of people, oh, I'm only a grumpy

12:11

old. Only for

12:13

a certain, if you like sarcastic humor,

12:16

if you like the guy with that

12:18

fucking, what the fuck are

12:20

you talking about, kind of goddamn approach

12:22

to things. He was one

12:24

of the funniest people in locker room. He

12:27

was witty and sarcastic with the comeback and

12:29

he just obliterate you or he just, if

12:33

he saw bullshit in

12:35

something as an owner or a booker that

12:37

you were saying, whether he was even right

12:39

or wrong. He would

12:41

fucking not only tell you his bullshit,

12:44

he would analyze the fucking consistency and

12:46

the color of the bullshit and describe

12:48

in vivid detail what it smelled like

12:50

in front of everybody to your face.

12:53

You had almost few people

12:56

really had a response or

12:58

could muster one. He

13:01

was a very intelligent guy and as we'll

13:03

talk about as we go on, I don't

13:07

think people understand he was one of

13:09

the most successful wrestlers of all the,

13:12

I'm talking business wise, financially and accomplishment

13:15

wise of all of

13:17

the wrestlers of the territory days from the

13:20

TV era to the mid 80s because

13:22

a lot of people don't understand the business. But

13:27

I mean we've told a million stories that I don't

13:29

want to, for all the

13:31

regular listeners tell every goddamn chapter

13:34

and verse story

13:36

again that's out there. We've done

13:38

WCW deep dives and stories of

13:41

Crockett days and blah blah blah.

13:44

But as we've talked about only over the past

13:46

couple years, I've said, especially in

13:51

hindsight, going back as we've done those

13:53

deep dives, when I

13:55

yelled at Ollie and quit WCW

13:58

in 1990, I was just

14:00

yelling at him cause I, Jim heard wasn't

14:02

there. He was just the office guy standing

14:05

there. He didn't, as we've mentioned, I don't

14:07

think he particularly gave a shit either way,

14:10

whether we were there or not, because he didn't

14:12

give a shit about that job at that point

14:14

in time. Anyway, he just wasn't going to fuck

14:16

with Jim heard about minute shit.

14:19

I think he knew it was a lost cause.

14:21

What's it like to yell at oldie? Um,

14:24

well, I, I've done it a couple of times. It's not

14:27

like I'm yelling at him saying, I'm going to come over

14:29

and punch you in the face. I wasn't going to whip

14:31

him. He can still whip me. He was 50 or

14:34

whatever. And I was 25, but

14:36

I'm going, only this is a fucking bullshit.

14:38

And well, if you think it's bullshit, go

14:40

home. Well, that's the best idea

14:42

you've ever had. Well, go ahead and do it

14:44

then. Well, and that kind of,

14:46

and well, and don't come calling

14:48

me back when you're doing some kind of dog

14:51

and pony show in Memphis, don't worry, only I

14:53

won't. Cause this is the last place I want

14:55

to bet that type of, you know, I

14:58

mean, I was pretty much goddamn with

15:00

some word for word shit there, but

15:04

it's not like we were strangle each other

15:06

over a payoff or something, you

15:09

know, so, but there

15:12

was even when we were just compadres in

15:14

the locker room in 86 working for Crockett,

15:17

remember at the time we were in Huntington,

15:20

West Virginia, at the civic center was sitting in the locker

15:22

room, the fucking 86 bash checks had come

15:26

out and what did they in

15:28

86, we did 14 bashes

15:31

and I think only an arm, they

15:34

were with the rock and roll, most of those

15:36

shows in a, in, that was a big, you

15:39

know, marquee match, but

15:41

I think it cause Crockett paid all

15:43

the bashes on one check. You got

15:45

your regular date check weekly right along,

15:47

but all the bash shows came in

15:49

one check, so it would look bigger.

15:51

Right. So fewer

15:54

people would complain. And

15:56

only an iron got like 15 grand

15:58

for the 14 bash. And, and

16:00

me in the midnight got, you know, 23 or

16:03

what it, cause we were working either with dusty

16:05

and Magnum or the road warriors and blah, blah,

16:07

blah. And only

16:09

sitting there and, and, and baby doll, that

16:11

was the key. It was dusty and Magnum

16:13

with baby doll and me or the road

16:15

warriors with baby doll and me, it was

16:17

me and baby doll. Right. That was, and

16:20

it worked blessed dusty. And

16:23

only sitting there going, well, I never thought I'd

16:26

live to see the day that I had

16:28

my sweat and blood and tears in this business

16:30

of work to build it up. So that some

16:32

fat manager and goofy cunt can come along and

16:35

make more money than I did, you know, and

16:37

I said, and only on behalf

16:39

of the fucking goofy cunt, the fat manager would

16:41

like to thank you for all that work you

16:43

did and putting in me getting this fucking check.

16:48

And he started liking me for shit like

16:50

that. How did he react to that specific

16:52

comment? Did he chuckle and how did he

16:54

react? Yes. Yes. Because

16:56

it could, cause you know, fuck

16:59

he would, again,

17:01

he wasn't firing me because I had

17:03

fucked up Columbus, Georgia, and he was

17:05

the fucking Booker or something. But

17:08

he had an admiration for people

17:10

that could, you know, instead of just, well,

17:12

fuck you only, I hate your guts could

17:14

fucking make some kind of goddamn wise ass

17:16

remind, he would engage you. And

17:19

so he liked that shit. And

17:21

that's, that's the point that I was making

17:24

is I was never personally, I don't think,

17:26

only as we've said,

17:29

he would never admit it probably, but by 1990, that stretch

17:32

where he was the Booker for six months, he,

17:35

he'd lost, lost the plot, as they

17:37

say, across the pond. And

17:40

I don't think he really, he wasn't

17:42

there because of financial necessity. Otherwise then

17:44

I think it was against, I

17:48

don't know what other, other religion he might've had,

17:50

but it was against his fucking religion to turn

17:52

down, guaranteed hundreds of thousands of dollars a year.

17:56

And you know, but he

17:58

didn't have any drive to. break

18:01

new booking ground and he was just doing

18:03

some old shit again and he didn't have

18:05

it. But in the

18:07

70s and to some extent the

18:09

early 80s, he had goddamn made

18:11

a fortune with his booking. He

18:14

just didn't give a shit and he didn't have full

18:16

control and the guys didn't understand it and I don't

18:18

think he gave a shit because his

18:20

check was the same either way. Depending

18:24

on ticket sales, whether he made any money or

18:26

not, he made changes a

18:28

lot quicker. He made

18:30

some almost bizarre

18:32

changes at times like Roddy Piper getting

18:34

fired from Georgia like

18:37

while he was in a top spot. I

18:42

was such a fan of that and

18:44

that's right as I was getting into

18:46

business and I

18:49

was such a fan of Piper and that whole

18:51

angle but the conversation

18:53

that I got when

18:57

I first got into locker rooms of guys that

18:59

had been in the territory or had heard of

19:01

whatever was that at that

19:03

point in time, Roddy did

19:05

not want to do anything because didn't

19:07

he go to Continental right after that

19:10

for just a brief period of time,

19:12

Piper? He spent a minute in Florida. He

19:17

got mad because at that point

19:19

in time as long as Roddy showed up for his

19:21

match, he thought he didn't have to get there on

19:23

time and he just wanted to go somewhere where he

19:25

could make $1,000 a week and do

19:27

the things he was doing. I

19:30

think that's what went sideways with Oley because

19:34

the one thing about Oley, they joked when

19:36

they actually brought up the idea of a

19:38

fucking drug test in

19:40

WCW for steroids, cocaine,

19:43

whatever the fuck. They said the only two

19:45

guys on the roster that will pass that

19:47

test is Oley Anderson and Jim Cornette unless

19:50

you test for cholesterol because

19:53

Oley wasn't going to goddamn do it.

19:55

So that was I think him and

19:57

Roddy may have got sideways on Roddy's

19:59

habits. Cause that's really the beginning of like the

20:01

turn and all these creative

20:04

powers cause it was that and

20:06

then going into 83, he pushes Barnett

20:09

out of Georgia, takes full control just

20:11

because the other partners weren't going to interfere with him at that point,

20:13

which would end up, we know how that would end up. And

20:16

we'll get the booking in Georgia in 83. It's easy to

20:18

romanticize a lot of it. You know, Tommy,

20:20

Richard, Buzz Sawyer, the creation of

20:23

the road warriors. No, but it was all

20:25

over the page. But the road warriors were

20:27

an accident created down a necessity. It

20:30

was all over the page. He went only took full

20:32

control. He loves

20:34

Stan Hansen. So sure. Stan, I don't mind

20:36

you go to Japan for a month at

20:38

a time while I still figure you into

20:41

big programs or Bill Edie superstar. Yeah. We'll

20:43

use you when you can be here. Cause

20:46

you're a great talent, but go to Japan

20:48

for six weeks. So they do a mass

20:50

versus mask or loser leave town or whatever

20:52

the fucking. And then somebody

20:54

be back in six weeks or it was all

20:56

over the page. Things would stop suddenly and only

20:58

was running the whole company then. So

21:01

then he, and then with

21:04

Barnett gone, Barnett could

21:06

always be an anchor only could, you

21:09

know, he could be a great Booker. I don't know

21:11

that he was ever intended

21:13

to run the entire show

21:16

or not because he, he

21:19

had a, even though he was

21:21

a heartless bastard for

21:23

the guys that he liked, that he knew

21:25

had drawn him money, he would give them

21:28

too much leeway with their schedule because of

21:30

what was going on in the business and

21:32

Georgia couldn't provide the

21:34

biggest payoffs anymore. And Barnett would have probably

21:36

had a little more stability with that or

21:38

a little more power in, in

21:43

convincing people to do otherwise and

21:46

in, and then it all fell apart from there and he

21:48

lost the time slot and blah, blah, blah. But,

21:51

but if so, the thing is me, he

21:54

lost the company, not just the time. Well, he lost

21:56

the company in the TV and the whole nine yards.

22:00

But he was so just to say with

22:02

me and Ollie, because I know somebody's going

22:04

to say, oh, Cornette's saying good things about

22:06

him. I know he was a

22:08

representative of a larger evil. He

22:11

was one of the devil's henchmen at the time that

22:14

me and Ollie really weren't happy with each other. And

22:16

when he wanted to put the pumpkin over my head,

22:18

that was three days ahead before that. Did he want

22:20

to do that or did Jim Hurd want him to

22:22

tell me to do that? See,

22:24

that's the, he wasn't going to tell me.

22:27

Well, it ain't my idea because he, you

22:29

know, he, he's the Booker and it's not,

22:32

he would have wanted to make everybody

22:34

think all the goddamn ideas were his, right?

22:36

Because Ollie was not the kind of person

22:38

that would admit to being told to do

22:40

something, but they had the goddamn, the

22:43

guys dressing up. Well, was

22:46

Jim Ross Dracula out

22:49

of Missy Hyatt was in, maybe Missy Hyatt

22:51

was Vamporella, I don't know what the fuck

22:53

was going, but the announcers were in, who

22:56

knows, I can't remember. The

22:59

announcers were in costume. It's Halloween,

23:01

Havoc, goddamn, I think, dangerously as

23:03

a vampire, maybe. And

23:06

they had the Southern boys run

23:08

out dressed as caricatures of me

23:10

with oversized tennis rackets, and

23:12

they had me in the goddamn

23:15

Confederate general uniform to taunt them

23:17

and Ollie pitches me. And

23:19

then they'll take one of the, cause there's pumpkins

23:22

and there's bales of fucking hay around it. They'll

23:24

take one of the pumpkins and they'll fucking hit you

23:27

over the head with it and it'll stick on your

23:29

head. So I'm going to be running around with a

23:31

jack-o-lantern on my fucking head. Right? Not

23:33

to mention the logistics of how big would this

23:35

pumpkin have to be to cut a hole big enough

23:38

to get it over my head without taking my fucking

23:40

ears off. And

23:42

I, I'd finally, I'd had enough

23:44

cause it's against Tommy Rich and

23:46

Ricky Morton were, we

23:49

were in the first match. It's Robert's

23:51

knee was hurt Gibson. So

23:53

it's not midnight rock and roll. Now it's Tommy and

23:56

Ricky and they've never teamed up before

23:58

on any television. a program at that point

24:01

and we're going to still do the job. And

24:05

then I'm going to come out and interfere in

24:07

the Southern boys, our rivals match and cause them

24:10

to lose. So our program, both teams get beat

24:12

by other teams and then they're going to put

24:14

a pumpkin over my head to erase any heat

24:17

that, you know, I might've accumulated by fucking

24:19

them out of something. I said, no, Oley.

24:23

They're not going to put a pumpkin over my head. He's

24:25

wow. They had done it

24:27

in Tennessee. You know, Nick Goulis, he would

24:29

have done it. There's a difference only Nick

24:31

Goulis drew money. Oh,

24:34

sick burn. As the kids

24:36

say, because only hated Tennessee wrestling.

24:38

Yeah. Where did that come from? His hatred

24:40

of Tennessee wrestling. Because

24:44

despite the fact that he had never been

24:46

there. Oh, that's what

24:48

I'm thinking. He's never, he never worked for

24:50

Nicholas. Right. He'd never, well, no,

24:53

not even no, no, not

24:55

even in the sixties as a rookie. We'll get

24:57

to that. Um, it

25:00

was the concept and what people told

25:02

him, ah, they got that fucking rough

25:04

house Fargo over there. He

25:07

never saw the TV because there was

25:09

no fucking home video at that time.

25:11

You didn't say promoters, even unless they

25:14

sent footage of a guy who

25:16

was film was coming into

25:18

your territory. You didn't see any film from any

25:20

other territory unless you went there and watched it.

25:23

So, but Oley was very serious minded.

25:26

That's the way he and Jean got

25:28

over and built their legacy

25:31

was these guys are fucking real in

25:33

a world of potentially might be bullshit.

25:36

And it was, you know, even though he didn't

25:39

mind guys with gimmicks, he wanted

25:41

guys that their shit looked legitimate

25:43

or they sounded legitimate or,

25:45

you know, not, you're not going to do anything

25:47

fucking outrageous. You're not going to break a bottle

25:50

over a guy's head and he's up making a

25:52

comeback in fucking five minutes or whatever shit like

25:54

that. And

25:56

then the, the predisposition to

25:59

everybody. that had never worked for

26:01

Nick Goulis to go around calling goddamn,

26:03

ah, Tennessee bullshit because they

26:06

didn't like Nick except for

26:08

the people who made money in Tennessee and

26:10

they never left. So anyway, so

26:13

that's where that came from. But

26:17

again, Oley

26:20

was trying to ever increasingly

26:22

... He always wanted control of

26:26

his company. Or

26:30

his booking or whatever. But

26:33

I think that's where he lost it when he

26:35

was like, I didn't pick these fucking guys. He

26:37

couldn't just fire fucking guys. Because that's

26:39

a lot of times when he worked for Oley

26:41

when people suddenly disappeared, he got mad and fired

26:43

shit. As he's mentioned many

26:46

times, many people have said. But

26:49

when he was working for TBS, he

26:52

inherited this fucking roster

26:54

of guys. He's looking and seeing what they're

26:57

making and he knows what he's

26:59

paid talent that have drawn big money

27:01

in the past and they're overpaid. And

27:05

he also sees that they're not

27:07

drawing dick for a variety of reasons

27:10

and they're still getting that money whether they

27:13

practically show up or not. And that just,

27:17

I'm sure he was ... But

27:20

the thing with Oley is

27:22

he wasn't hanging on because

27:24

he needed the wrestling business. People

27:27

kept asking him to come back.

27:30

And then he'd get in the spot, well, they're going to give me $150,000

27:33

and this is 30 years ago.

27:38

Tough fucking goddamn book

27:40

or whatever that felt whether I'd do any good at it

27:42

or not. What the fuck? But

27:45

he had pretty much ... I

27:48

think it wasn't even ... Well, pretty

27:50

much the last run that he wanted to

27:52

have as a wrestler was 87, right? When

27:55

he finally broke off from the Horseman and

27:57

switched babyface. The

28:00

the read be retired at that point and they

28:02

brought him back. In

28:04

eighty Nine. But when the deal to get

28:06

both totally and aren't got screwed up by

28:09

Jim her. Am. I correct on

28:11

is Sydney in your. Computer.

28:14

Brain he came back a little bit before than

28:16

remember. They also brought him back. I want to

28:18

say for one night at the Omni Mm Luger

28:20

teens up after Lugar term, baby face and eighty

28:22

eight. Get. Mad and we the

28:25

may have entered of the army with Lugar. Or.

28:27

And eighty Nine remember. He. Was

28:29

the. Or what was the

28:31

the designated enforcer. For.

28:33

The. Halloween Havoc funder don't

28:36

match. That's right it was him and

28:38

Gary Hart. Many punch Gary Hart causing

28:40

him before I was white towel and

28:42

a Bruno San Martino thought that was

28:44

it. Yeah, so he was there a

28:46

little bit before than someone had already. well decision to bring

28:48

him in. Yeah well as it

28:50

was, flair. N N.

28:53

That's the thing is that. He

28:56

knew that air flow of thought. He knew

28:58

that totally an arn. Were coming back. See

29:00

you would have four horsemen right? But.

29:03

That sort of the to the point is that. Only

29:07

was eighty one and Macys Board of

29:09

what? Nineteen Twenty two. At this point.

29:12

He was making bloodless wondered like a

29:14

toy. Order to And Ninety Forty Two:

29:16

I'm sorry. What's. Your sister

29:18

and oh God damn it I misspoke

29:20

the I didn't miss A at I

29:23

Misspoke without a cognitive tests for Mister

29:25

Corner. Yeah, I'll tell you what, I'll

29:27

fuck you Examined his head. You'll find

29:29

enough and. Eight. Above

29:31

a tad the late sixties. He's twenty

29:33

five years old. He was making good

29:35

money and on top in wrestling business.

29:39

And. By. A

29:41

ten years and pretty much outta

29:43

ten years in or so. Ease

29:45

booking. He ends up having

29:48

to run read books not only. The

29:50

Carolinas which was again a

29:53

phenomenal. Wrestling. territory that

29:55

was considered consistent business for all those

29:57

years but whose book in georgia the

30:00

same time. And

30:02

the Anderson brothers, his main event talent,

30:05

were going back and forth between those

30:07

two territories. And

30:10

by the late 70s,

30:12

early whatever, whenever he bought

30:16

the piece of Georgia for Watts' piece,

30:20

now he owns part of the company. That was in 15 years.

30:24

When he was in

30:27

the mid 80s, when he was working for

30:29

Crockett and then switched baby face, and then

30:31

the late 80s came back to WCW, he

30:33

had gone back to Minnesota during that period

30:35

of time because he owned

30:37

a sawmill. Some

30:41

people just call it a lumber yard, but

30:43

it wasn't like Lowe's. It was a sawmill

30:45

that prepared lumber to

30:47

go to the people that sold

30:49

lumber. Because everybody

30:52

would always say, hey, Ollie, how's the lumber

30:54

business? Or whatever, ahh, goddamn, got a sawmill.

30:58

But obviously, you

31:01

don't just own a

31:03

fucking sawmill for a hobby. He was

31:05

making money with that. He had made

31:07

a fucking fortune for the territory days

31:09

in the business. We've talked

31:11

about this before, but when

31:14

you take into account what

31:17

he was making in the late 70s, in

31:22

most of the territory, he was

31:25

in comparable terms with anybody

31:27

but Andre, the NWA

31:30

champion, and Bruno. Because

31:33

between his booking pay

31:35

for a territory

31:37

like the Carolinas that ran sometimes

31:40

three shows a night in those days,

31:42

and the Booker got small

31:45

percentages off each of the shows as well

31:47

as his main event pay for him and

31:49

Gene being on top or then

31:51

later on him and Hanson or him and whoever,

31:55

whatever heel he was teamed with. And

31:58

then Georgia too, he was making quarter of a

32:00

million dollars a year in the late 70s. Gross.

32:04

But that's close to a

32:06

million dollars in today's money. And

32:10

that's what there was a great article I think it was

32:12

Greg Oliver who's done a

32:14

bunch of the Hall of Fame books and

32:16

articles. When

32:18

they called Oli, some Hall of Fame called

32:21

Oli. Oh yeah, that's actually from the Wrestling

32:23

Review. That's from something I own and Greg

32:25

reprinted. It's a great article. Well,

32:27

I'm glad you mentioned you own that because

32:29

now you can probably done

32:31

Greg for a fucking percentage of it.

32:33

But yes. There'll probably be a Wrestling

32:36

Review collection coming out at some point

32:38

soon. Oh, wink wink, nod nod. Possibly

32:40

available at jimcornett.com. But

32:43

anyway, he wrote the article talking about

32:45

when some Hall of Fame called

32:47

Oli to say they want to induct him.

32:49

And what was the premise? He asked, well,

32:51

why have you inducted me before? Who said

32:54

before me? Or whatever Oli would do, right?

32:57

And the guy told him, well, you

32:59

know, you were big into Carolinas, you

33:01

know, in Georgia, but you never really

33:04

worked anywhere else. You weren't big anywhere

33:06

else. What kind of fucking moron are

33:08

you? Why would I

33:10

want to go anywhere else? I was doing so

33:12

well there. Well, that was the fight he had

33:14

with Dave Meltzer on the old Wrestling Observer radio

33:16

show years ago. Okay. Dave had him on and

33:18

Oli had just put out his book with Scott

33:20

Teal, which is a fascinating book to read. It's

33:23

certainly Oli's perspective of things. And

33:25

there was a chapter which was like two pages

33:28

about Dave not putting him

33:30

in the first class of the Hall of Fame and the voters

33:32

not voting him in. And then he went

33:34

on with Dave and that was one of the things

33:36

he didn't go to enough places. He's

33:38

like, you know, he's one of

33:41

these people. It's like, I got into this business to

33:43

make money. I didn't have to go anywhere. Why would

33:45

Bruno, why would Bruno leave what he's doing here to

33:47

go somewhere else? Well, and see,

33:49

that's the thing. That's why I mentioned he was

33:51

so unique and one of the most successful guys

33:53

in territory days when you think about... in the

33:58

territory's system. When

34:01

you started in the business unless you were getting

34:03

a push because you were some other

34:06

professional sport attraction or whatever the fuck

34:08

you start like a regular guy. You

34:12

would go from territory to

34:14

territory and hopefully work your way

34:16

up the cards get more experience get

34:18

better see somebody sees you give me

34:20

a gimmick. Can you go

34:22

from making the least amount

34:24

of money in the preliminaries to the most amount

34:27

of money in the main event but even then.

34:30

You can still be a bigger star in a

34:32

bigger territory because the. Guys

34:34

making main event money in a kansas city

34:36

territory that might have been. Level

34:39

of the underneath preliminary guys in carolina

34:41

territory you want to be a big

34:43

star in all the territories right. But

34:47

it was almost never a career

34:49

you could even possibly plan. Much

34:52

less actually intend to

34:54

do where you would just

34:57

go to one or two places and

34:59

suddenly you would get to be such

35:01

a big star in that location. Making

35:04

so much money for so long

35:06

that you would either own part of the thing

35:08

or you'd never be asked to leave or want to

35:10

leave. And that would

35:12

be the bruinos and the

35:15

jerry lawless and the goddamn

35:17

vern ganja and the. Very

35:21

few other people right

35:24

because and brick flare to carolina.

35:27

And that's like the goddamn you know

35:30

because there were some guys dream

35:32

isn't isn't it is it a dream i don't want to

35:34

go too far from home and i'll make all this money.

35:37

In the territory days think about

35:39

this it was just a wrestler

35:41

you know going from territory to

35:43

territory and the twinkling of an

35:45

eye. If he's married

35:47

if he's got kids wife has to go

35:49

the kids have to go unless

35:52

you're gonna keep two. Residences

35:54

in two different parts of the country and

35:57

some of these guys would be in the business

35:59

for fifteen. or 20 years and they would

36:01

make enough money to make a living, but

36:04

they would be in two

36:06

or three territories every year

36:09

rotating around. Sometimes they

36:11

could stay for six months or nine months or

36:13

whatever. Sometimes it might be three months or

36:16

who knows what might happen and

36:18

has different schools and apartments and all

36:20

this bullshit. And

36:24

then when you get to be a star

36:26

to the level that promoters

36:29

want you to work all over the country,

36:31

then you're in the main events and they're

36:33

flying you places and you're making main event

36:35

money and picking your spots. That's a whole

36:37

different deal. But for

36:40

somebody to be able to go

36:42

and not only be a

36:44

featured main event attract because when Ollie

36:47

replaced the original Minnesota

36:49

Wrecking Crew in the Carolinas

36:52

was Gene Anderson and Lars

36:54

Anderson. And

36:57

for whatever purposes that Lars needed

37:00

replacing when he went out somewhere

37:03

else, they bring

37:05

in Ollie. And think

37:07

about this, a guy that had been trained

37:09

by Vern Ganya, kind of Eddie Sharkey in

37:11

that system in Minnesota, they

37:14

need a replacement in

37:16

the Carolinas and

37:19

they get this guy, Rock Rogowski,

37:21

who grows a mustache out and

37:23

looks enough like he's Swedish

37:25

out of Ollie Anderson, I don't know what

37:27

the fuck, that he can be

37:30

Gene Anderson's

37:32

partner and he's a big,

37:34

tough, legitimate fucking guy. But

37:37

then that starts the Minnesota-Carolina

37:40

pipeline. Flare to

37:42

the Carolinas. The road warriors. When

37:46

Ollie needs somebody on a sperm of

37:48

the moment and

37:51

Sharkey is, oh, I got these fucking

37:53

guys and that's how

37:56

many people followed that. But

37:58

Ollie was probably the first, right? What,

38:00

68 or so he joined Gene?

38:03

He came over early, and again, he always

38:05

kept that good relationship with Vern Ganya, too.

38:07

He would still talk glowingly about Vern, you

38:10

know, until the very end. So then

38:12

he had that good relationship. And, you know,

38:14

it is interesting when you, like I go through my files I

38:16

did the other day after Ollie passed, and you

38:18

look at the Andersons and all these pictures of Gene

38:21

and Lars, and it's almost a

38:23

different team just in terms of the

38:25

field altogether. They called him

38:27

Rock Rogowski for a reason. He wasn't on the gas

38:29

or anything. He was just a naturally big guy who

38:32

lifted weights. He was like a rock as

38:34

opposed to Lars who... Well,

38:37

you know, Lars was Lars. Who

38:39

looked like Lars? I always loved when Ollie

38:41

turned on Dusty and then he's like, my

38:43

foolish brother Lars! Whatever he was, he threw

38:45

out some line about Lars. But

38:47

yeah, that opened up the pipeline. Well, and

38:50

also the thing is, oh, Gene and

38:52

Lars were established as a... and we've

38:55

talked about the Carolinas being a tag

38:57

team territory. And they

39:00

would rotate a lot of Nelson

39:03

Royal and Tex McKenzie and

39:06

Johnny Weaver and George Becker and

39:08

the Kentuckians and the Bolos and

39:10

etc., etc., who were the assassins.

39:14

And the Andersons fit right in there, but

39:17

when Ollie came in, they

39:19

were somewhat already established but they

39:22

got bigger from there. And

39:24

I think Ollie because... I

39:27

mean, we've talked about Gene. What a believable

39:29

fucking guy he was. And

39:32

he was an almost 50-year-old

39:35

fucking stroke survivor who

39:37

was pudgy and smoked like a

39:39

chimney and balding. And

39:42

he could walk up by the barbarian and

39:44

give him that fucking grip I've talked about

39:46

on the elbow, whatever that fucking pressure point,

39:49

the nerve, the bones, thumb

39:51

and fucking middle finger, any barb on the

39:53

floor or any other grown man I ever

39:56

saw. No, Gene, please, I'm a pussy. Say

39:58

you're a pussy. I'm a pussy, Gene. anything,

40:00

let me go." They weren't working with him.

40:03

All the fans knew that Gene was

40:05

legitimate. He trained a bunch of guys

40:08

that broke in the Carolinas in those

40:10

days. But he wasn't a

40:12

great promo. When they made

40:14

him a manager, it was because the fans

40:16

had such respect slash

40:18

fear for what he might be

40:21

able to do to somebody, but it

40:24

was because after he'd had the health problems. It

40:27

went only, and you've heard Lars

40:29

Anderson's promos, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

40:33

So when Oley came in, one of

40:35

the great legitimate, big,

40:37

bully, sarcastic, literate

40:41

though, logical, emotional

40:43

promos in all of

40:45

wrestling, and

40:48

he could stand there and tell

40:50

you anything and you, you

40:52

might not even believe it, but you would

40:54

swear on your life that this guy saying

40:57

it believed it and really meant

40:59

everything he was saying. And he was just

41:01

so real as a windbag

41:04

prick and a bully and a

41:07

blowhard and a fucking egotistical, whatever

41:09

the fuck, right? That's

41:12

what got, I think, the

41:14

Anderson's to the next level and the work. And

41:16

then, you know, that's what,

41:19

when I was there in the mid eighties, and this was

41:21

15 years after, you

41:24

know, Oley had started, all

41:27

the fans would talk about great tag teams

41:29

and whether they mentioned, you know,

41:31

the rock and roll or the midnighter,

41:34

whether it's back to flair and Valentine

41:36

or steamboat and youngblood or whatever, they

41:39

would mention different teams because there had been

41:41

so many great teams, tag team territory, but

41:44

almost every, the first one would be the

41:46

Anderson's because they were like, oh, the Anderson's

41:48

and everybody else came up, you

41:51

know, and that's why they never left. They

41:54

just fed guys to them and

41:57

they drew in all those towns regularly

41:59

for. fucking years and years. As

42:02

a fan before you got into the business, and

42:05

we've talked about in the past, we'll talk about it again

42:07

briefly, but one of the things you

42:09

attended was the night that he turned on Dusty Rose, that

42:11

Gene turned on Dusty Rose. Yes. Omni

42:14

in Atlanta in 1980, but before we

42:16

even get there, what

42:19

was it like for you when you rescued those tapes,

42:21

tapes, those films? Yeah. And

42:24

had them transferred, and for the

42:26

first time you're seeing all this stuff which is

42:28

really the classic Anderson Brothers period. Yeah.

42:31

Well, I got goosebumps right

42:33

now, running

42:36

up and down my spine. No,

42:38

this was stuff that we didn't know

42:40

still existed and that had never been

42:43

seen before because it was before the

42:45

days of home video and all that

42:47

stuff. And it

42:50

was all of those guys in their prime,

42:52

but with the Andersons you can see they were

42:55

different than everybody else because they...

42:58

Well, you saw a bit of it in Ollie's

43:00

work in the 80s

43:03

in terms of if a babyface was

43:05

going to make a comeback or even

43:07

gain any ground, they really had to

43:09

fucking fight. They really had

43:11

to fucking assert themselves to fight. And then

43:13

if they got enough, if Ollie and Gene

43:15

got enough, they'd start backing up. You

43:18

can't see me, but I'm rocking in my seat now.

43:22

If Ollie was hanging onto your fucking wrist and

43:24

you punched him in the head, his fucking body

43:26

language, he'd register it like punching a

43:28

bull, but he hit him the second time and his

43:31

knees would wobble. But he hit him the third time

43:33

and his body's starting to sag, but he's

43:35

going down to a knee, but he's still holding... He

43:37

won't let go of the fucking wrist. They

43:40

made the babyfaces fight for shit and the

43:42

people got with it more. And then they

43:44

were more... Yes, they

43:46

were basic. But when Ollie came off the

43:48

top rope, he would jump off the top

43:50

rope and either do the knee to

43:53

the arm, which never blew his

43:55

knees on all those shitty rings doing that. And

43:57

when you land, it's more dangerous than what he

43:59

was doing. into the fucking opponent, or

44:02

just to hammer or club somebody and they'd

44:04

slam on the arm and they'd quick tag

44:06

in and out. And

44:09

the sacrifice thing where,

44:12

you know, they did

44:14

it in several big moments. They didn't overuse

44:16

it because see, that's another thing. They stayed

44:18

in the same territory all those years. They

44:21

didn't have once in a lifetime,

44:23

one in a million fucking fluke

44:26

spots that they overdid to the point

44:28

of prostitution because people saw them all

44:30

the time. They had to just

44:32

fight and wrestle and get people behind the

44:35

fucking match. And they did that

44:37

the same place for years and years. But

44:39

the sacrifice thing where

44:43

all would be lost and suddenly

44:45

if Gene was hanging on the

44:47

ropes or whatever, or leaning into

44:49

the ring, Oley would grab the

44:51

baby face and run the baby

44:53

face's head headfirst into fucking Gene.

44:56

And remember, that's the fucking same thing that

44:59

fucked Dynamite Kid

45:01

up in the Bulldogs match in

45:03

where the gardener, wherever. Well,

45:06

he did that spot of WrestleMania too. That was

45:08

the finish. They ran, I want

45:10

to say Valentine into Dynamite Kid's

45:12

head and he went flying off

45:15

the apron into the crowd, or not the crowd, but all

45:17

the way to the floor. And they missed it. They missed

45:19

a shot of it. They missed the

45:21

shot, but Dynamite didn't miss the floor and that's

45:24

what fucked his back up. Well, Valentine gave him

45:26

that finish because they got it from the Anderson

45:28

brothers. And

45:31

maybe that's why Gene later

45:33

in life had the stroke

45:35

and or muscle

45:38

spasms because they did it a number,

45:40

but that's the kind of, they would

45:42

go to any lengths to win a

45:44

match, right? The Anderson's mean, cruel and

45:46

nasty. And

45:48

that's, I mean,

45:50

that's why that they had that level of

45:52

heat when Oley was stabbed

45:55

in Greenville, that was 1976 maybe. Whatever

46:00

the point is, he'd been working Greenville

46:02

on a weekly basis in the Carolinas

46:04

for almost 10 years at

46:07

that point. He still had enough heat that this guy

46:09

wanted to kill him, literally tried to kill him, stabbed

46:11

him a half inch from his heart. And

46:15

you don't get that by goddamn

46:18

being phony. When you

46:20

watch those films after you had them

46:22

transferred, what did you also think? Because

46:24

I'm fascinated by babyface Ollie Anderson. Because

46:26

those promos are amazing. Yes. Just his

46:28

ability to communicate is amazing. But

46:30

what did you think of babyface Ollie? Well,

46:33

that's also with the transfers. One thing

46:35

I was going to mention was, and

46:37

Ollie could do either one because he

46:39

could talk and make you believe that

46:42

he was an evil bully because

46:44

everything he said made sense and it sounded like he

46:47

meant it, but he could also talk and make you

46:49

believe that he was in the right in

46:51

a particular situation because he could

46:54

logically communicate that. So he

46:58

never said that he didn't suddenly start, oh, I'm

47:00

only going to do a headlock. He would still

47:02

do his Ollie Anderson shit. So it was a

47:04

heel getting a taste of his own medicine. But

47:07

another thing about the transfers of the films,

47:10

to watch the people, to

47:13

watch the people in the various venues

47:15

in that territory that saw wrestling again,

47:17

either every week or every two weeks

47:19

at that point in time, and

47:22

they would go absolutely batshit

47:24

insane for these wrestling

47:27

stars that they saw in all the

47:29

shows, but they were so over and

47:33

they were so into the

47:35

wanting to see their hero win and

47:37

the villain

47:39

lose and people get their comeuppance

47:41

and the fucking, you

47:44

know, what's going to happen? Boy, we want

47:47

revenge for whatever's been done to our

47:49

guy. They just, they're jumping up and

47:51

down screaming, throwing umbrellas, popcorn, babies in

47:53

the air. I mean,

47:57

all the territory crowds, most of them, any

47:59

good territories, they had their hot moments

48:01

but they also, for a

48:04

long period of time, the Carolinas

48:07

was wrestling crazy and the guys

48:09

that were on top

48:12

either had an inordinate amount of heat or

48:14

were just the people that hung the moon.

48:18

And that's why when,

48:21

as I said, when Oley got there,

48:24

he never had... Georgia was the

48:28

NWA territory next door and obviously even

48:30

though it was one state, much smaller

48:32

schedule than the Carolinas

48:34

with three towns a night through North and

48:36

South Carolina and Virginia, part of West Virginia,

48:39

Barnett, one of the most powerful people in

48:41

the business. So

48:44

he would annex some

48:46

of the talent and the pipers

48:48

or whoever would appear

48:50

on both. It was a great payoff for

48:52

Jim Crockett, senior and

48:55

junior's talent to come down

48:57

to either be featured in the Atlanta shows

48:59

or later on on the Omni. And

49:02

when TBS got

49:05

the super station or got to be a

49:07

super station. So

49:10

if you were on top in both

49:12

those territories, you could make, as

49:16

I mentioned, a couple or three thousand dollars

49:18

a week in those days just wrestling. Well,

49:21

actually some of the guys in the Carolinas in

49:24

the late 70s, Flair and Valentine, were making

49:26

close to 150 grand a year

49:28

just in the Carolinas. So

49:32

that was... You didn't

49:34

need to go anywhere and then Oley, he

49:36

becomes a booker, he's making extra money and

49:38

then he becomes part owner. So

49:40

Oley was never... He

49:43

didn't drink. Oley

49:47

was as much of a fan of women

49:49

as anybody ever in the wrestling business but

49:51

he didn't chase women to a stupid degree

49:53

and spend a fortune on them. He

49:55

has spent a fortune on any fucking thing. His

49:59

t-shirt with... his goddamn, you know,

50:02

evil, mean, and nasty or whatever. That

50:04

was a rib because Ollie Anderson wasn't

50:06

going to spend money on a goddamn

50:08

ring jacket. So he

50:10

was independently wealthy and didn't need to do

50:13

this by the time the mid eighties rolled

50:15

around. Well, before we get

50:17

to the mid eighties 1980, the turn in Atlanta. Yes.

50:21

Uh, the only match you

50:23

didn't shoot ringside for. Well, and,

50:25

and that was the thing. The

50:27

WFIA wrestling fans international association convention

50:30

that years in, in

50:32

the, uh, Georgia and

50:34

the highlight of the weekend of any

50:37

of the conventions was you went to

50:39

the territories main, you

50:41

know, building to, to see when the Memphis

50:44

convention, we went to the mid south Coliseum

50:46

Knoxville went to Knoxville civic Coliseum, Atlanta

50:49

were going to the Omni. So

50:51

that weekend we saw a TBS

50:53

television taping. We saw

50:55

a spot show in, God, I

50:57

think it, it shit. Where

50:59

was it? It may have been Carrollton, Georgia. And,

51:03

uh, we had to banquet and we

51:05

were at the Omni and

51:07

I was there at

51:09

ringside for all the other matches. It

51:12

was Harley race against Tommy rich for

51:14

the NWA world title. And,

51:17

uh, Dutch Mantell worked with Chavo Guerrero.

51:19

The first time I saw anybody

51:22

do a fucking moonsault body block off

51:25

the top was Chavo. And

51:28

a number of other matches, but there

51:31

was one match that was the cage match.

51:34

And I had forgotten and got

51:36

there. I didn't have any high

51:38

speed film. You can't shoot that

51:40

chain link cage with a

51:42

fucking flash because it

51:44

fucks everything up. And

51:47

I say, you know what? I'm going to go back up

51:49

and sit with weasel and my

51:51

mom is there. And, uh, and

51:53

you know, I just watched the cage match

51:56

instead of shoot at ringside. When

51:58

did you learn that lesson? Was there a specific? For

52:00

example, where you learned that you can't shoot

52:02

cage matches? Yes, the first time that, you

52:04

know, the chicken wire was okay that we

52:07

had in Louisville for all those years, but

52:09

the first time I went to a place

52:11

that actually had a real fucking cyclone fence

52:13

cage, it just looked like shit. It

52:16

throws not only does the light

52:18

reflect, but it threw the automatic

52:21

exposure setting that you had back then.

52:24

It threw that off. And so the

52:26

background inside the cage was dark, blah,

52:29

blah, blah. And so I

52:31

started shooting 400 speed film,

52:33

no flash with cage matches, but

52:36

because of the hecticness,

52:39

I got no high speed film. Nobody else, fuck it.

52:41

I'll sit this one out. I'm

52:43

tired. I'm so tired. And

52:46

luckily because they had a fucking riot,

52:49

because it was the culmination of the

52:52

year, year and a half long deal they had

52:54

done, Oley had turned baby face. And

52:57

he had started teaming up

52:59

with Tommy Rich and he had teamed

53:01

up with Mr. Wrestling too, and

53:04

he had teamed up with, but Dusty

53:06

Rhodes would never agree to be his

53:08

tag team partner because of the

53:11

animosity from them from, you

53:13

know, the years previous and they even, they

53:15

would show the fucking clip

53:18

of Dusty. It will never be over. And

53:22

so finally the

53:24

assassins, the hottest heel team,

53:26

at least of the modern era in Georgia

53:29

wrestling at that point in time. Maybe

53:32

in Georgia wrestling history. Maybe in Georgia

53:34

wrestling history. Finally,

53:36

it's the assassins and

53:39

they have fucked with Oley and

53:42

they've, Ivan Koloff is a heel,

53:44

he's on the assassin side and, and Gene

53:46

Anderson had been out of the picture, had

53:48

been away from the territory. Oley

53:51

would later say that Gene had left the

53:53

territory because he couldn't bear to see who

53:55

I was associating myself with. His

53:59

do-gooder brother, Lars. That's what he

54:01

called him, my do-gooder. Yes, my do-gooder

54:03

brother Lars. But

54:05

Ollie had problems with the assassins

54:07

and Ivan Koloff and he needed

54:09

help. And Dusty had

54:11

had problems with the assassins. And

54:15

finally, they shot some

54:17

kind of, I can't even remember what, but they

54:19

really did something to Dusty and Dusty came and

54:22

agreed to be Ollie's partner so they could get rid

54:24

of the assassins. And

54:28

so this had been like a year, year and a

54:30

half in the building of this to get, even

54:33

though Ollie had been a straight baby face and

54:35

all the others had teamed up with him and

54:37

there was no hint of the betrayal of anybody.

54:41

Dusty wouldn't have anything to do with him.

54:43

And finally, they have the match and

54:45

then they have a rematch. And

54:48

then as the classic promo, everybody's

54:51

heard it. I used to hand it out in OVW. The

54:54

promo that Ollie did the week

54:57

after this incident we're talking about

54:59

to explain it all was

55:02

one of the great ones in the history of

55:04

professional wrestling by anybody. He

55:06

said, I got an idea. What

55:09

about a cage, Dusty? We could keep those

55:11

assassins in with a cage and the idiot

55:13

went for it. Ollie

55:15

suggests the cage match with the

55:17

assassins and Dusty agrees

55:19

to it. And the

55:21

two referees are Gene

55:23

Anderson and Ivan Koloff. And

55:27

so the match starts

55:29

and they're, you know, they're wrestling. They do their

55:31

thing and it was a cage match and it's

55:34

fine. People are liking it. And, and

55:36

then finally they start getting some heat on, on Ollie

55:40

and they get him down and there's not really

55:42

much going on. It's not like they're killing him

55:45

or anything. And

55:47

in final, but the people want to see

55:49

Dusty make the tag. And finally, I'm sorry.

55:52

I tell a lie. They did it the other way around.

55:54

They got quick, didn't it? Yeah. They

55:56

didn't get heat on. I was thinking of another

55:58

time. They got heat. on Dusty straight

56:00

away, they, they did some shining, but

56:03

then they got the heat on Dusty and he was milking,

56:05

getting the tag to Oly. And

56:08

finally, Dusty does

56:11

get the tag to Oly and that's when

56:13

Oly jumps in and looks

56:16

at the assassins and turns

56:18

around and goddamn

56:20

starts wailing on Dusty. And

56:23

then at that point, Gene drops any

56:25

pretense of being, you know, against the

56:27

other guys. And he starts getting on

56:29

and everybody, little detail that was awesome.

56:32

The assassins look at each other like,

56:34

what is happening here? Yeah. Yeah. At

56:36

first they're like, okay, we'll just all

56:38

goddamn. And

56:41

once they realize they're not really

56:43

a fight anymore and now they're in

56:45

the cage and there's one,

56:47

two, three, four, there's five of them and Dusty

56:50

and they're killing Dusty in the cage

56:52

and the Omni in Atlanta and the

56:55

people got hot. And then it turned

56:58

more desperate because they

57:01

started sending the boys out, the wrestlers,

57:04

the underneath guys to start

57:06

and they can't get in, they're shaking. The door, the door

57:08

is locked. The door, they can't do

57:10

the referee. It was the referees are in

57:12

the ring and they've got the fucking keys

57:14

and everything, blah, blah, blah. And

57:17

so the underneath guys start trying to climb the

57:19

cage and then the heels in the ring get

57:22

up on the ropes and they're hitting their

57:24

hands. So they can't climb the cyclone fence

57:26

and they're knocking the baby faces off the

57:28

fucking cage. And this is really creating a

57:30

goddamn element of jeopardy while they're still working

57:33

on Dusty and breaking his leg or whatever

57:35

they were doing in the middle

57:37

of the ring, the other ones are keeping the baby faces

57:39

from, and that's when you, you

57:41

know, Lars is out there because Lars had

57:43

been presented as a baby face. Even

57:46

though by that point, his glory

57:48

days were long behind him. And

57:52

finally, some of the

57:54

fans get, they create such a sense of

57:56

urgency to this that the fans start trying

57:58

to climb the gut now. the heels

58:01

are hitting the cage for real? Oh shit,

58:03

don't let those motherfuckers get over the top.

58:06

And that's when I said they

58:08

got the bolt cutters or whatever they fucking

58:11

did. And they got the door open and

58:13

a bunch of the baby faces pour in.

58:15

And this is always an awkward moment because

58:18

there's only one door in those old

58:20

cages and it was only like

58:22

three feet wide. So the

58:24

heels have to stand the baby faces

58:26

off. The baby faces have to go

58:28

to the injured baby face they're saving

58:30

and look like they're trying to do

58:32

something, but the heels got to get out the

58:35

same door. They just came in and those

58:38

baby faces had to do something. So they're wailing

58:40

on the goddamn heels as they're trying to get

58:42

out that door. And that's uncomfortable as fuck. I've

58:45

been in that position. And

58:47

then the goddamn,

58:49

the once the heels get out

58:52

on the floor, the cops are shitting because

58:54

the whole arena is in an uproar and it wasn't

58:57

sold out that night, but I made it, it looked

58:59

great to me because it was the first time I'd

59:01

ever been there, but I'm going to say was there

59:03

12,000 people there? Ted wouldn't have been

59:05

out of the way. 10 or 12,000, they're

59:08

fucking pissed. And the

59:10

floor area and in the Omni, I may

59:13

have mentioned you had to walk down and

59:15

aisle way and then kind of cut to

59:17

a diagonal further aisle way

59:19

to get underneath to the locker rooms.

59:21

So they can't get

59:23

the goddamn heels out. It they've been in

59:25

the cage for a while now. And

59:29

they still can't get the heels out of there.

59:31

And then they just, all the cops circle them

59:33

as a run and they got the shit beat

59:35

out of them. It

59:37

was a, it was fucking chaos, but

59:41

that got the, um, it

59:43

got the point across. And

59:45

of course the videos after, I think it's called the big turn of

59:47

1980. And it

59:49

is an extraordinary video because the way they covered it is

59:51

one of the, so it's an amazing clip

59:53

because they show the footage and they

59:55

have all the wraparound interviews while always in

59:57

the studio. And I forget who walked away at

59:59

the beginning. Maybe Walter Johnson or who

1:00:02

was it? Someone walked away and they said,

1:00:04

you'll get yours one day, Ollie Anderson. And

1:00:06

he goes, not from you. Yeah, not from

1:00:09

you. Remember the interview I was telling you

1:00:11

about where the guy, the football player forgot

1:00:13

all the guy's names? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's

1:00:15

it. And then Ollie

1:00:17

said, just go on. Just

1:00:20

get out of here. Nobody wants to hear from you.

1:00:22

Just leave. But

1:00:25

anyway, so that's, unfortunately,

1:00:28

I think Ollie is more

1:00:32

remembered for being a

1:00:34

grumpy, bad booker in

1:00:36

1990 or whatever than he

1:00:38

is for being one of the great

1:00:40

fucking heel talents in the business and

1:00:42

one of the most successful guys of

1:00:45

the territory days, you

1:00:47

know, that he should be remembered for because

1:00:49

most of that stuff is not around

1:00:52

anymore. And in the public

1:00:54

eye or where people trip over it and are forced

1:00:57

to look at it. And

1:00:59

of course, when you would go to Crockett, he would be

1:01:01

there and you would see him. And I was at the

1:01:04

end of his run. He, I guess

1:01:06

the rumor is that he took all the Georgia

1:01:08

master tapes and burned them in his yard.

1:01:10

When Vince got the company, and it

1:01:12

sounds believable because of who it is.

1:01:15

He wanted to have a blood oath with the Briscoes. I

1:01:18

don't know. It was Ollie again.

1:01:21

You know, maybe he put him in a goddamn shed

1:01:23

just to hide him and he was going to deny

1:01:25

any knowledge of where they were. And they rotted rather

1:01:27

than because I'm thinking he, he, he's got to figure

1:01:30

he could have made some money out of them sometime

1:01:32

or other, but, but that's

1:01:34

why. And of course, I was the

1:01:37

first time I ever got fired in

1:01:39

the wrestling business and fuck

1:01:41

the last time for the

1:01:44

next 22 years, I guess they

1:01:46

out would, uh, was Ollie begin when

1:01:48

he closed the whole territory down in

1:01:50

Georgia. We did the summer of 83

1:01:52

for six glorious weeks. And

1:01:55

he closed the territory at the classic line

1:01:57

to Dundee and Ron West. Don't

1:01:59

do this. anymore. What? In

1:02:01

the interviews? No, any of it. And

1:02:05

that was, everything's canceled. Okay.

1:02:09

But he, when

1:02:12

I first came to Crockett, think

1:02:14

about what Ollie thinks of me,

1:02:16

because I guarantee you that

1:02:19

Ollie Anderson did not watch any

1:02:23

pro wrestling on television in his

1:02:26

spare time or any

1:02:29

wrestling that he was not involved with, that

1:02:31

he had to watch for business if he

1:02:33

was Booker or whatever, or potentially even if

1:02:35

he did a television show, I don't imagine

1:02:38

he'd probably watch himself by this

1:02:40

point, right? So the

1:02:42

only time that he has ever seen

1:02:44

me before I come to work for

1:02:47

Jim Crockett promotions where I'm managing

1:02:51

the new top heel tag

1:02:53

team that's coming in the territory of their

1:02:55

manager, a guy named Jim Cornett, I

1:02:58

worked for him for six

1:03:00

weeks, two summers previously, where

1:03:03

the most notable thing I did on

1:03:05

his fucking Chattanooga studio television

1:03:07

show that he was never even there

1:03:09

in person for, was get

1:03:11

my face shoved in a cake while

1:03:13

conducting a birthday party for my dog.

1:03:15

And- Well,

1:03:17

Tommy's boy named Nick Goulis, that's the funny thing. Well,

1:03:22

and here's the

1:03:24

thing, because they told

1:03:26

me Roddy West and Dundee, because they

1:03:28

were the only ones that actually saw

1:03:30

Ollie, right? When we were working

1:03:33

there, Ollie wasn't coming around those fucking towns,

1:03:36

but they would go in once a week and have the meeting

1:03:38

with him. And he

1:03:40

didn't like the birthday party for the dog. They

1:03:43

came back and said, oh, fucking Ollie hates you.

1:03:45

He hated the birthday party. So

1:03:47

when I met him the next week,

1:03:49

because when we did the local promos,

1:03:52

it was in the Omni, the

1:03:54

offices that the Georgia wrestling office had.

1:03:57

And he could- and

1:04:00

I met him that next week after the birthday, which

1:04:03

was two weeks before he came in

1:04:05

and said, don't do this anymore. And

1:04:09

he said, ah, you're a cornet. I said,

1:04:11

oh, he was nice to meet you. I saved you

1:04:13

a piece of cake. He said, oh yeah, I said,

1:04:15

it's in my ear. And

1:04:19

that's the last interaction I had with Ollie Anderson until I

1:04:21

walked into Crockett being the

1:04:23

manager of the top heel tag team. You

1:04:26

know, speaking of interactions, I guess for a lot

1:04:29

of the younger fans or people who

1:04:31

discovered a lot of these guys on tapes or later

1:04:33

on on DVD, and then actually

1:04:36

really on YouTube, Ollie became known as

1:04:38

the grumpy guy in various shoot

1:04:40

interviews and documentaries where he would say

1:04:42

what he would say. You know, he

1:04:44

told Vince McMahon to go fuck himself. Then he said

1:04:46

the same thing to Linda. Yeah. He bragged about it.

1:04:48

Hold on now. Don't gloss over it. Vince

1:04:51

said after the,

1:04:53

the unpleasantness over the

1:04:56

Georgia office, Vince was at a place

1:04:58

with Linda and he said, Ollie said, I've got

1:05:00

my wife Linda here. I'd like you to

1:05:02

meet her. And he said, fuck you and fuck Linda. See,

1:05:07

the funny thing too is Vince McMahon

1:05:09

went everywhere with lots of bravado. And

1:05:12

he dealt with a lot of

1:05:14

tough, strong personalities. He tried to take down Harley race in

1:05:16

a bathroom. Yeah. And he got his ass kicked.

1:05:19

When he went down to Georgia after everything,

1:05:21

he broke a real amount soon as his

1:05:23

bodyguard, that's the only time he went

1:05:25

with someone because he was afraid something could happen, right? Think

1:05:29

about that. True. And

1:05:34

Ollie is the only one that would never

1:05:36

at any point before, during, or after

1:05:38

his unpleasant dealings with Vince McMahon, did he

1:05:40

ever goddamn soften up and go, well, Vince,

1:05:42

you know, at least we can look back

1:05:44

on those days. No, fuck that.

1:05:46

No, fuck you and fuck Linda and fuck your kids.

1:05:51

You fucked me and I don't need you

1:05:54

and I won't buddy up to you and I'm not

1:05:56

going to forgive you for it. Vince

1:06:00

counted on that from the entire industry. I fucked

1:06:02

you, you know it, but you have to come

1:06:04

work for me. And maybe we'll get along, it'll be great, but

1:06:06

you'll be working for me and I'll be in charge. Very

1:06:09

few people said, go fuck yourself! Over

1:06:12

and over and over again! Like

1:06:14

Ole Anderson did. Which makes it

1:06:16

even more surprising that WWE Raw, I guess

1:06:19

this shows a lot about the change of

1:06:21

management there, they put up a very

1:06:23

nice graphic and talked about him a little bit. Yes,

1:06:25

and of course you could tell Michael Cole had to

1:06:27

look down to refer to his notes to what he

1:06:30

said, the Minnesota, nobody will ever forget the Minnesota

1:06:32

Wrecking Crew. That's the answer we were looking

1:06:34

for. But no. You want to play

1:06:36

tribute to Ole Anderson, a wrestler I've never heard of

1:06:38

before. No,

1:06:40

but it was nice. They did a tribute to him on there. AEW

1:06:43

ended up combining his and Virgil's tribute together

1:06:45

during the ring entrance, I think, for the

1:06:47

Orange Cassidy match. And Ole Biggett is, boy,

1:06:50

if Ole Anderson was alive for this. Oh

1:06:52

my God. Let me tell you something. Let

1:06:55

me tell you something. I'm old, I need

1:06:57

to save my money because it's all downhill

1:06:59

from here. But I'll

1:07:01

guarantee you, I won't spend a lot

1:07:03

of money on too much these days,

1:07:06

but I would give someone every penny

1:07:08

I had to just have a video,

1:07:10

much less be there in person, of

1:07:13

two hours of Ole Anderson in

1:07:15

the AEW locker room. That

1:07:18

would be the – fuck Richard

1:07:20

Pryor, Chris Rock, Carlin,

1:07:23

no, that would be the funniest fucking

1:07:25

material that any off the top of

1:07:27

his head. That would

1:07:29

be the greatest fucking performance in the history of

1:07:31

wrestling. So

1:07:34

and of course he gave me

1:07:36

the greatest compliment I've ever had. I

1:07:38

will memorialize this one more time in

1:07:40

your memory, Ole. Is it

1:07:42

Cornette? I used to think you

1:07:44

were a dumb fuck. So many other

1:07:46

dumb fucks have come along that are worse than

1:07:48

you are, and you've moved up the

1:07:50

ladder without doing anything. And

1:07:54

for Ole, that was glowing

1:07:56

praise. You

1:07:58

have to think that's his way of saying. I like you.

1:08:01

You're doing good. Yes. I

1:08:04

hate to somehow have impressed

1:08:07

him in some fashion. That

1:08:10

I was now not the biggest dumb fuck he's ever

1:08:12

seen. You know, I saw Ric Flair put out a

1:08:14

very nice tweet, and obviously he doesn't do his own

1:08:16

tweets. He has someone who does it for him, but...

1:08:19

You know, they had a big falling out. I think

1:08:21

Ollie lent him money, and whatever happens happens, and they

1:08:23

had a major falling out. But Flair

1:08:25

acknowledged, you know, I was

1:08:28

brought in as an Anderson. That's what got me

1:08:30

over, really. Yeah. Being an Anderson

1:08:32

in Mid-Atlantic, and it's all because of Ollie. And

1:08:35

that's because being from... Well, I

1:08:38

mean, this is as simple as it

1:08:40

was in those days, and it worked.

1:08:43

Everybody in the Carolinas knew that the

1:08:46

Anderson brothers, the Minnesota Wrecking Crew, are

1:08:48

from Minnesota. When they

1:08:50

bring this kid in from Minnesota, at

1:08:54

that point it was George Scott, but

1:08:56

I'm sure, you know, all

1:08:59

the crockets agreed, and etc. The

1:09:01

best way to get somebody over is

1:09:03

to align them with the Anderson brothers.

1:09:05

Here's somebody from Minnesota. He's the cousin.

1:09:08

He's the cousin of the Andersons. And

1:09:11

that gave him instant fucking heat that he

1:09:13

was just related to those goddamn low-life

1:09:16

people in the fan's

1:09:18

eyes. And they needed to keep track of who

1:09:20

the family was, because Arn Anderson at one point

1:09:23

was Ollie's cousin, his nephew, then eventually

1:09:25

his brother. Well,

1:09:28

that's when they started realizing, wait a

1:09:30

minute, Arn looked older than he was,

1:09:33

and to be Ollie's nephew, Jesus held

1:09:35

his Ollie. But

1:09:39

yeah, Flair, I think, was always a cousin.

1:09:43

Our cousin, Rick Flair. And we talk about

1:09:45

it getting Flair over in Mid-Atlantic,

1:09:48

or being one of the things that led

1:09:50

to it, Arn Anderson. Marty Lundy was a

1:09:52

very talented undercard wrestler, did some

1:09:54

work for Mid-South on TV, was

1:09:56

working obviously in his home area, becoming

1:09:59

Arn Anderson. Anderson Immediately

1:10:01

lent him credibility and when people talk

1:10:04

about the Anderson look because various

1:10:06

other people throughout time since then I go all of

1:10:08

a sudden It's like here's Bill and I shouldn't that's

1:10:10

a there really is a bill Yeah Well our country

1:10:12

music star Bill Anderson would like to have a word

1:10:15

with you But I know the point you were straight

1:10:17

stretching to make it's always look like the classic Anderson

1:10:19

look It's always look it's not like this guy looks

1:10:21

like Jean this guy looks like Lars It's no this

1:10:23

guy's a beard and a mustache and he's going bald

1:10:26

He's an and I think Arne will be

1:10:28

the one to tell you that I

1:10:31

mean Arne is that was a fabulous

1:10:33

Worker in his career and was one

1:10:35

of the premiere talkers but

1:10:38

neither one of those things his

1:10:40

work got him noticed but the

1:10:43

thing that enabled him to get the

1:10:46

spot that he got to show his talents was

1:10:48

that he happened to look like fucking Oli if

1:10:51

He'd have had no resemblance to Oli. I

1:10:53

don't know if they would have taken the

1:10:55

goddamn you know, they would have

1:10:57

wanted to do something with him, but I don't know if they would

1:10:59

have taken the the time

1:11:02

and the care and and gone to that level

1:11:04

to make him an Anderson brother and put him

1:11:06

in a spot like That or an Anderson family

1:11:08

member if he had to

1:11:10

look like Oli, he wouldn't have got that opportunity

1:11:14

Hey one more story before I know we've gone a

1:11:16

while here But you know Oli was

1:11:18

there when you left WCW You

1:11:21

were there when Oli got fired from WCW

1:11:24

and you played a part in it Well,

1:11:26

and it why don't mean in a bad way, but

1:11:28

it was only time I can't say I can't say

1:11:30

I wasn't even there because I was there but it

1:11:33

was only trying to get his son set up So

1:11:35

he could start in a business the right way and it

1:11:37

ended up costing him his WCW job Although he didn't really

1:11:40

seem to be too upset about it. Well

1:11:42

in It it

1:11:45

may be also romanticizing it to say

1:11:47

that it cost him his job Bischoff

1:11:49

was that was part of the story. I will

1:11:51

tell it Rather

1:11:54

than beat around a bush about it,

1:11:56

but Bischoff was waiting for an opportunity

1:11:58

a reason or just the time he was

1:12:00

far enough away from Ollie to fire him. So it just

1:12:02

came up while I was in the middle of it. But

1:12:06

Ollie and Eric Bischoff, obviously for a variety of

1:12:08

reasons, and you can go read his book, I'm

1:12:11

not going to quote him chapter and verse, didn't

1:12:13

get along with each other or have probably the

1:12:15

same outlook on the wrestling

1:12:17

business. But Ollie had been at that point

1:12:20

because he had a contract of

1:12:23

some description. You know, he had been the

1:12:25

Booker and he'd been in management when Bischoff

1:12:27

made his play for it,

1:12:30

Ollie, it ended up he's working in the

1:12:32

power plant and as a trainer and or,

1:12:35

you know, director of special projects.

1:12:38

Steve Hirsch, the head of Vivid

1:12:40

Video, the porn company, said

1:12:42

whenever they had a girl on

1:12:45

the roster that they, it was their

1:12:47

girlfriend, but they wanted to put

1:12:49

her on the payroll and get her a job,

1:12:51

they'd make her director of special projects. So

1:12:54

he was just hanging around with not a lot

1:12:56

of pull on anything and

1:12:59

they had been training, Ollie

1:13:01

was, too many pronouns, pal.

1:13:05

And Ollie at the same time,

1:13:07

Bryant, his son, Bryant Rogowski had

1:13:10

been training to wrestle and had

1:13:13

one of the power plant contracts, whatever they

1:13:15

call them, developmentals. So

1:13:17

I guess as

1:13:20

part of the heat, they

1:13:23

either cut Bryant or let his deal

1:13:25

expire. They didn't give him a

1:13:27

chance to do anything or whatever. And

1:13:30

that this was the point where I was running

1:13:32

Smokey Mountain, Knoxville in Atlanta or 200 miles

1:13:35

apart. And

1:13:39

it's been so long since I've thought of the initiation

1:13:41

of it. I think Ollie called me, did he not?

1:13:43

Or how did I get? How

1:13:46

did I get no thought about it? He must have, because you

1:13:48

wouldn't have been calling there like, Hey, do you have any guys

1:13:50

that they just cut? And talked

1:13:52

to Ollie since I yelled at

1:13:54

him and walked out on him

1:13:57

fucking four years beforehand. But

1:14:00

anyway, I said, you know

1:14:02

what? The son

1:14:05

of Ollie Anderson in Smoky

1:14:07

Mountain Wrestling, especially if Ollie

1:14:10

said, I'll cut some promos and introduce

1:14:12

him for you. Now

1:14:15

I'm going to get Ollie Anderson on Smoky Mountain

1:14:17

Wrestling TV. Yes, I'm interested. And he told me

1:14:19

Brian's background. He was not only

1:14:21

a big kid and he had the Anderson

1:14:23

look, he had the fucking mustache. He looked

1:14:25

like Ollie and also he

1:14:27

could wrestle and was a big kid

1:14:30

and obviously didn't have

1:14:32

any goofy or

1:14:34

unrealistic expectations of what the business

1:14:36

was because he's Ollie's son. And

1:14:38

since then, by the way, he's had

1:14:41

a successful business career and personal life

1:14:44

and is a well

1:14:46

thought of member of the community down there in

1:14:48

North Georgia, I believe. So

1:14:52

it's probably better that the wrestling thing went

1:14:54

away. Bryant I'm talking

1:14:56

about. But

1:14:59

anyway, so what I did was I said,

1:15:01

look, I got these shows this weekend, then

1:15:03

I will come down to Atlanta

1:15:07

and I'll bring the camera. Let's shoot some

1:15:09

interviews with you introducing Bryant. Because

1:15:12

I didn't expect at that

1:15:14

time that he would be able to come to

1:15:16

my television. He still works

1:15:18

for WCW, right? He's not going

1:15:20

to be able to come to fucking Hurley, Virginia to

1:15:22

my TV taping. I

1:15:24

said, where are you on me to meet you at a hotel or

1:15:26

we do, you know, what? Now I'll come to the power plant. What?

1:15:30

Come on down. I'll, we'll shoot it in

1:15:32

the parking lot. I said, oh,

1:15:34

God damn it. Here we go. I'm

1:15:37

like, I'll be there. So he

1:15:39

gives me the directions that I drive down

1:15:41

Jim Cornette. Now we know that there's

1:15:44

issues between me and WCW. And

1:15:47

at that time, I think

1:15:49

Bischoff was aware that yes, because

1:15:52

I'd specifically at Super

1:15:54

Brawl three, I'd specifically told him

1:15:56

that I blamed him for altering

1:15:58

our angle and told him, he was

1:16:00

the reason we wouldn't be back and didn't trust anybody

1:16:02

in the fucking place, right? So

1:16:06

this is like November of 94 October, whatever. So

1:16:11

I pull in the parking lot and

1:16:14

I park and I go up and if I

1:16:16

see Jody Hamilton, Hey Jody, how you doing? I

1:16:19

blah, blah, blah, blah. I said,

1:16:21

Terry Taylor. Hey, Terry, how you doing? And

1:16:23

Terry excuses himself to go somewhere. Yeah. To

1:16:25

make a phone call. I'm sure. Yeah. And

1:16:36

then here's old Lee and

1:16:38

here's, and only tells Jody, Jody,

1:16:40

I'm taking lunch. So

1:16:43

we go out in the parking lot and,

1:16:45

and only tells the first thing he says

1:16:47

to me says, Eric Bischoff has not been

1:16:49

the power plant now, Eric Bischoff has not

1:16:51

been in this place for six weeks. I

1:16:53

guarantee you if you're here an hour, you'll

1:16:55

see. Cause

1:16:57

it wasn't like it was next door.

1:16:59

The CNN center in downtown Atlanta, the

1:17:01

regular office, this was out like in

1:17:04

suburban Northeastern, whatever the fuck I can't

1:17:06

remember. So it took a

1:17:08

minute, you know, in between. So

1:17:10

we're shooting the interviews and I've got

1:17:13

my tripod and my little eight millimeter,

1:17:15

high eight millimeter camera. And,

1:17:17

uh, and Ollie and Brian are talking

1:17:20

on my pencil microphone, taped

1:17:22

to a pencil cause I didn't have a handheld and I

1:17:24

just kept it that way. Um,

1:17:28

and they shoot three

1:17:30

or four different fucking interviews, right?

1:17:32

Plus we've talked about it in between.

1:17:35

So let's say, you know, 20 to 30

1:17:38

minutes. And

1:17:41

as they were doing the last

1:17:43

one, Ollie's talking and all of a sudden

1:17:45

he looks off camera, this is one we didn't use.

1:17:47

He said, ah, here we go. And

1:17:50

I look and there's Bischoff in his red Corvette

1:17:52

pulling into the parking lot. So,

1:17:55

I mean, he must have, he must

1:17:57

have used the express elevator at CNN center.

1:18:00

And so I said, do you

1:18:02

need to go? He said, oh, hold on. So

1:18:06

Bischoff walks up to get within about 10 feet

1:18:08

of us. He sees me there with the camera.

1:18:10

I'm beaming. Holy, can I see

1:18:12

you a minute? Said, Eric, I'm

1:18:14

on lunch. I'm doing an interview with my kid.

1:18:16

Hold on. I'll

1:18:20

be right there. So

1:18:24

he finished the fucking, the last

1:18:26

one we got to do, right? And

1:18:29

he says, all right, I'm going to go in here, go in

1:18:31

and get fired. Cause he

1:18:33

was, he, I think this was maybe,

1:18:35

maybe part of his plot. He knew

1:18:38

he didn't want to be there anymore. He's

1:18:40

taking the money, but God damn it. He

1:18:42

wasn't going to fucking get mad if Bischoff

1:18:44

fired him because he didn't like fucking Bischoff

1:18:46

and it was only right. So

1:18:49

goddamn, they go in the power

1:18:52

plant. And I'm standing there talking to Bryant

1:18:54

and that's what I've told the story before

1:18:56

I saw Bischoff's spotless red Corvette. And I

1:18:58

picked a big old greasy green booger and

1:19:00

wiped it across his windshield. Just so he'd

1:19:02

have something to look at on the way

1:19:04

back. And

1:19:07

they're in there 10 minutes or whatever, not

1:19:09

long. And I said, Bischoff

1:19:11

comes out and gets his car, drives off, not

1:19:13

says anything. Only walks back up and what happened?

1:19:17

He said, well, we walked in there. I said, all

1:19:19

right, Eric, everybody wants to know everybody was the you

1:19:21

and me. What's going to happen? Everybody wants to know

1:19:23

what are you going to say to me? Like daring

1:19:25

him to fire him. And

1:19:28

he said, he said,

1:19:31

only said that Bischoff said,

1:19:33

well, we think you're using very

1:19:35

poor judgment and speaking to Jim Cornette

1:19:39

and only said, well, I'm just speaking to him

1:19:41

because he's going to give my kid a job.

1:19:43

You know, my kid Bryant, my son, the one

1:19:45

that you fucking cut or fired or, you know,

1:19:48

forgot about or whatever terminology used, and

1:19:51

he says, so he's going to, he's going to be

1:19:53

wrestling for him. We're out there in the parking lot.

1:19:55

Uh, on my own time, I'm at

1:19:57

lunch, whatever. Just get it over

1:19:59

with motherfucker. And he

1:20:01

said, Bischoff just changed

1:20:03

some subject and

1:20:06

he said something about something else. And

1:20:08

then he said, well, we'll

1:20:10

talk about this further and got back in the

1:20:12

fucking car and took off. And then the next

1:20:14

day called him on the phone and fired him.

1:20:18

Maybe it was two days later. It was imminent. So

1:20:20

when Bischoff was downtown and Ollie was out

1:20:23

in fucking Peachtree City or wherever, he called

1:20:25

him, said, well, Ollie, we're giving you

1:20:27

your notice. Well, what took you so

1:20:29

long was the, the comeback

1:20:31

that I heard from Ollie because

1:20:35

then Ollie ended up coming up and doing,

1:20:37

I think two of my live TV tapings,

1:20:39

at least the first one, maybe the first

1:20:41

two that Bryant was on. Well,

1:20:45

Ollie Anderson, certainly one of the most unique characters

1:20:47

in wrestling history. One of the most influential

1:20:50

characters for a generation behind

1:20:53

the scenes. And I guess

1:20:56

just to settle it and end it with this, should

1:20:58

he be in a wrestling Hall of Fame? I

1:21:02

don't see how he cannot be. I mean, again,

1:21:04

if there's, if there's a wrestling Hall of Fame and

1:21:07

you've got a cap of 20 wrestlers

1:21:09

from all history, then maybe not.

1:21:12

But if it's a wrestling Hall of Fame

1:21:15

open to anyone who's Hall of Fame level,

1:21:18

I don't see how anybody,

1:21:20

again, he was making money and featured in

1:21:23

main events as a wrestler and a booker

1:21:26

that dwarfed some of the biggest stars

1:21:28

that are currently in the Hall of Fame

1:21:30

that were just territory wrestlers. And

1:21:33

he achieved something

1:21:35

that few people

1:21:37

in the territory days were able

1:21:40

to accomplish, really ownership of part

1:21:42

or all or some of a territory.

1:21:47

While at the same time doing something else,

1:21:49

doing it by doing something else that almost

1:21:51

nobody was able to do, which is make

1:21:53

one move after you break into business, make

1:21:55

one move and pretty much are able

1:21:57

to work that part of the country for the rest of your

1:21:59

career. rear and retire off of

1:22:01

it. So there's, there's multiple

1:22:04

unique or very rare milestones

1:22:07

that only Andrew and to be

1:22:11

not only a main event wrestler that drew

1:22:13

money with their matches with flair and Valentine

1:22:15

were what put flair and Valentine into Carolinas

1:22:17

on the map, uh,

1:22:20

in a heel heel program, uh,

1:22:23

not only to be great in the

1:22:25

ring, but to be even better on

1:22:27

the microphone and to do all this

1:22:29

stuff behind the scenes and to have

1:22:31

given either their

1:22:33

first job or the okay

1:22:35

to begin training of them

1:22:37

or their first national exposure

1:22:39

or their first main event

1:22:41

spots to everybody from the road

1:22:44

wars to Rick Rude fucking on and

1:22:46

on. Um, you

1:22:49

know, how can he not be? I don't, I

1:22:51

don't even understand the discussion here. We're

1:22:54

talking about putting Kenny Olivier

1:22:56

at the fucking Hall of Fame and

1:22:58

Oley Anderson somehow has to clear a

1:23:01

bar as he told the other guy.

1:23:03

Perhaps you just don't understand what

1:23:05

success looks like in this fucking business.

1:23:10

Well, there it is. Our look at the life and

1:23:12

career of Oley Anderson. And I guess to sum it

1:23:14

all up as Oley would say, go fuck

1:23:16

yourself. Go fuck yourself. Well,

1:23:19

Jim, before we move completely on from the

1:23:21

sad news of passings and wrestling and another

1:23:24

wrestling death this past week, someone

1:23:26

you weren't around too much, if

1:23:28

ever, but Virgil,

1:23:31

some, yes, Virgil, who most

1:23:34

famously was the bodyguard for Ted

1:23:36

DiBiase then had a babyface run

1:23:38

after that. They

1:23:40

later brought him into the NWO and

1:23:42

WCW as Vincent. And

1:23:44

then they changed his name to Shane. He

1:23:47

was also Curly Bill and Soul Man Jones,

1:23:49

I think. No, no, Soul

1:23:51

Train Jones. Soul Train Jones. Soul Train

1:23:53

Jones. That's right. But Virgil

1:23:55

just passed away. Any thoughts

1:23:58

on this? Certainly a memorable character. From

1:24:00

the height of WWF. Do

1:24:02

you know who first told

1:24:04

me about his name was

1:24:06

Mike Jones? So I do you know who

1:24:09

first told me about Mike Jones based on

1:24:11

where he was working? My guess is gonna

1:24:13

be Randy Hills. Brian

1:24:16

Hildebrand. Oh really? Brian

1:24:18

Hildebrand, Mark Curtis for those of

1:24:20

you 90s WCW

1:24:23

referee fans because

1:24:25

he was from Pittsburgh and and

1:24:28

that was the period of time what was it 86

1:24:30

87 where Several

1:24:33

of the guys from the Pittsburgh

1:24:37

the West Virginia independent

1:24:39

scene that was kind of rudimentary

1:24:41

at the time got

1:24:43

booked in Memphis there was a Virgil

1:24:46

it became Soul Train Jones and

1:24:49

they dressed him up in the

1:24:51

red white and blue striped Apollo

1:24:54

Creed gimmick from Rocky

1:24:56

and He

1:24:59

was a babyface and then a guy

1:25:01

named Goliath who was I Don't

1:25:05

remember what his real name was but he was

1:25:07

like almost seven feet tall and long hair Goliath

1:25:10

got a spot and also

1:25:13

downtown Bruno Bruno

1:25:15

Lower cuz Bruno had

1:25:17

been working as a indie manager also

1:25:19

up in that area and he was

1:25:22

Brian Hildebrand's nemesis, right? Brian was always

1:25:24

wanting to you know to get

1:25:26

in a territory and Bruno beat him to it got

1:25:28

into Memphis Bruno could do

1:25:30

a bit better promo than Brad

1:25:33

Hildebrand Brian was a better worker, but he

1:25:35

was too small nevertheless He

1:25:37

said yeah soul train They're calling him

1:25:40

soul train Jones and he's doing an

1:25:42

Apollo Creed gimmick in Memphis and

1:25:44

of course then I got the tapes from You

1:25:47

know most of the territories on a monthly

1:25:50

basis and so I saw him and

1:25:52

noticed noticed him more

1:25:54

because Brian had talked about him, but You

1:25:57

know you could tell he was he was great and he was a

1:25:59

good ass But that was a period

1:26:02

of time in Memphis where not too much

1:26:04

was going to get over, but he

1:26:06

did a good job with it and was there probably longer

1:26:08

than those other guys. And

1:26:11

then that's finally, then after that is when he

1:26:13

got the

1:26:15

spot as Virgil, which

1:26:17

as you know,

1:26:19

everybody has since known, it wasn't a

1:26:22

common knowledge then to the average fan

1:26:24

going to the shows, but they

1:26:27

were trying to fuck with Dusty. Dusty was the

1:26:29

Booker for the opposition. So we're going to make

1:26:31

the, the stooge, the servant,

1:26:33

the butler, we're going to give

1:26:35

him, you know, your real name. And

1:26:38

so then when, when the

1:26:40

shoe was on the other foot and he went to

1:26:42

work for WCW, uh,

1:26:45

in what 99 or

1:26:48

whatever it was for the NWO,

1:26:51

it was, uh, they named him Vincent

1:26:53

after Vince McMahon, because he

1:26:56

was the NWO's flunky guy. He

1:26:58

really was the perfect guy in the role of

1:27:01

Ted DiBiase's bodyguard. Cause I mean, anyone could have

1:27:03

been slotted in there, but he portrayed it the

1:27:05

right way. He never talked. He

1:27:07

always gave you like a stern look. He

1:27:10

always got his ass kicked, but

1:27:12

he still came back and you thought he may be tough cause he

1:27:14

was a big jacked up guy, but he

1:27:16

was perfect in that role. And

1:27:19

they, they, they worked it, you

1:27:21

know, when they were out in public to traveling

1:27:23

together, he would open the doors and carry the

1:27:25

bags. And well, that's the thing is

1:27:27

some people were saying, you know, on the internet, after

1:27:29

he passed away is that he

1:27:32

would do whatever, you know,

1:27:34

when he showed up at a show, what you want me

1:27:36

to do, whatever you want me to do, as long as

1:27:38

I get paid, right. And the, you

1:27:40

know, getting paid was a part of most

1:27:42

of his modern era or latter

1:27:45

day fame in the links that he

1:27:47

would go to to sell his gimmicks

1:27:49

or merchandise or selfies, or if

1:27:52

somebody, you know, on the bus asked him for

1:27:54

a picture, he'd charge him for it, whatever, but,

1:27:57

uh, but he committed. he

1:28:00

would always give 100% of whatever he

1:28:02

was doing and he didn't mind, you know, having

1:28:05

people seem carrying Ted Dibiase's bags in

1:28:08

the, at the hotel because it, it

1:28:10

made the gimmick. It made

1:28:13

the gimmick and it worked and they were together for

1:28:15

a few years and then they finally built him up

1:28:17

with Roddy Piper behind him to turn baby

1:28:19

face, to have enough of Ted Dibiase's

1:28:23

sudden abuse of this. He was never really abusive to

1:28:25

Virgil and then all of a sudden he became a

1:28:27

real jerk. Yeah. And then Virgil turned

1:28:29

baby face and won the million dollar belt.

1:28:31

And it's easy to forget now when he

1:28:33

certainly became a comedy figure later in life,

1:28:36

but on purpose, uh, on social

1:28:38

media and stuff. But

1:28:41

for a brief moment there, it

1:28:43

worked and they got him over and he was

1:28:45

really over as a, you know,

1:28:47

upper midcard baby

1:28:49

face holding a WWE million dollar

1:28:51

belt title. And

1:28:54

you know, that's why I was going to say I was

1:28:56

briefly around him because as I do

1:29:00

recall, I sound like, you

1:29:03

know, the guy, the voiceover guy on fucking

1:29:05

Iron Chef, as I recall, uh, he

1:29:08

was there when we first started making shots in 93,

1:29:11

Virgil was still there or had maybe he'd left

1:29:13

before, but he was there. No, he finished up.

1:29:15

I think the last night was a Royal Rumble

1:29:17

94, the beginning of 94. So he was there.

1:29:19

Yeah. So he, you know, he was there and

1:29:21

I mean, you know, once a month we'd go

1:29:24

up for TV. I never sat down and had

1:29:26

any in depth conversations

1:29:28

with him, but he seemed like

1:29:32

a, you know, halfway normal rational person

1:29:34

for this business. Admittedly, the bar is

1:29:36

low, but I

1:29:39

really, you know, I've never spent any time around

1:29:41

him since then. Maybe we were, you know, at

1:29:43

the same convention at some point or whatever, but

1:29:46

then in recent years I

1:29:48

would hear the, the

1:29:50

tweets about the Olive Garden

1:29:53

meat sauce or, you know,

1:29:55

what if I mean, and

1:29:57

you know, in a series of videos where you and him.

1:30:00

or you and whoever runs his social media were

1:30:02

in a very funny fashion going back and forth.

1:30:04

Well, that's what I'm trying to... I don't even

1:30:06

remember the details now to be honest with you

1:30:08

about that. You reminded me of it earlier. But

1:30:10

that's what I was going to ask you was,

1:30:13

was this a case where... I

1:30:17

hate to speak ill of anybody, but was

1:30:19

it like the Iron Sheik for a while

1:30:21

there? Maybe he wasn't all right and people

1:30:24

were taking advantage of it or was it just

1:30:26

that he just decided to become a wacky person

1:30:29

in his latter years

1:30:32

for the social media thing. And

1:30:36

like I said, I find it hard to

1:30:38

believe anybody my age sitting there tweeting wacky

1:30:41

things to the kids out there or texting

1:30:43

or whatever. But I

1:30:45

do know that some of the guys have

1:30:47

people that run their social media so they don't have

1:30:50

to fuck with it and they say

1:30:52

outlandish things. So what

1:30:54

do we know? Was Virgil serious with all this?

1:30:56

Do we know yet to this day? Or was

1:30:59

he pulling all of our puds as

1:31:01

they say? I don't know

1:31:03

what he pulled but it was certainly a

1:31:05

social media team and it was a concerted

1:31:08

campaign. Bizarre

1:31:10

at times. I'm not exactly sure where they

1:31:12

were going but it got people

1:31:14

talking about it. I just read something, it may

1:31:17

have been Greg Oliver's column in

1:31:19

Slam. I don't know. I don't remember off the

1:31:21

top of my head. When I was blown

1:31:23

away by this it said after wrestling he went

1:31:26

back and got a degree in mathematics. What?

1:31:28

Yeah, I was like, what? Where did that come from?

1:31:30

I never heard that. Well,

1:31:34

no, he was always good with his money. No

1:31:36

wonder he could count so well. He

1:31:40

wanted to make sure he got to turn to profit

1:31:42

on those selfies or whatever. But no, we hate to

1:31:44

hear that. He learned a lot about counting with Ted

1:31:46

DiBiase's money in his hands. Oh, there you go. But

1:31:49

no, we hate to hear that. Never any

1:31:52

personal issues or anything with Virgil

1:31:54

and we wish

1:31:57

his family and friends and who got

1:31:59

it. custody of the Soul

1:32:01

Train Jones outfit. I might be interested.

1:32:04

Or the meat sauce. We need to find out

1:32:06

more details. You know, they never got to actually

1:32:08

market his own brand of meat sauce. Is that

1:32:10

what they were going for? Well, I think

1:32:12

the problem was the, uh, the holdup was WWE owning the

1:32:14

rights to their name Virgil. Because

1:32:17

without the name, what are you? Just

1:32:19

Mike Jones's sauce. Probably wasn't gonna, Hey,

1:32:22

would you like to get some of Mike Jones's

1:32:24

sauce? Where? Well,

1:32:27

right over here at the store. Well,

1:32:30

of course, uh, like you said, we send our, uh,

1:32:33

thoughts to the friends and family and

1:32:35

fans of Virgil. And

1:32:37

of course, fans of all meat

1:32:40

sauces around the world and

1:32:42

the Olive Garden. But Jim

1:32:44

Virgil started out, like you said, Soul

1:32:46

Train Jones and

1:32:48

Soul Train had a lot of really great music

1:32:51

and you could listen to lots of great music with

1:32:53

Raycon. Oh, good

1:32:55

Lord. So, but what a cold

1:32:57

tag. You know, here's

1:32:59

the thing, lonely Virgil became a meme. A

1:33:05

pictures of Virgil sitting at his

1:33:07

merchandise table with nobody there, nobody

1:33:09

coming up and spending any

1:33:11

money at a lonely Virgil. But

1:33:14

you know why he wasn't lonely. You know why

1:33:16

he didn't give a shit. You know why he

1:33:18

was just sitting there just minding his own business

1:33:21

because the whole time he was grooving to the

1:33:23

tunes that were invisible to

1:33:25

the naked eye and,

1:33:27

uh, an audible to the naked ear

1:33:30

because he had them going on his

1:33:32

Raycon wireless earbuds now

1:33:34

you can see it in a different light, can't you?

1:33:39

I say, can't you? I can. I can. You can't.

1:33:41

Well, yeah. Well, a

1:33:43

whole different light because he's

1:33:45

sitting there enjoying the soundtrack to

1:33:48

his life without any, any,

1:33:50

uh, distractions or aggravations or frustrations

1:33:52

or worries from people coming up

1:33:55

and handing him money. And

1:33:57

let's face it, folks, most of you out there.

1:34:00

right now nobody tomorrow is

1:34:02

gonna come up and just hand you money

1:34:04

to be able to take their your picture

1:34:06

because you're nobody and nobody

1:34:08

cares for you so drown

1:34:11

your sorrows by listening to

1:34:13

good music nobody's nobody everybody's

1:34:15

somebody well everybody loves

1:34:17

somebody sometime but

1:34:20

you can't please all of the people all of

1:34:22

the time but you can fool some of the

1:34:24

people some of the time unless you're a nobody

1:34:26

in which case nobody's gonna pay you to take

1:34:28

your picture so

1:34:30

if if I'm mistaken if

1:34:33

somebody is out there listing then

1:34:35

I'm not talking about you some bodies I'm only

1:34:37

talking to you nobody's if you're

1:34:39

somebody that somebody is gonna come up to

1:34:42

tomorrow and pay to be able

1:34:44

to take your picture then this does not apply to you

1:34:46

but if you're one of these regular garden variety clubs

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1:35:01

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1:35:04

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1:35:06

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1:35:08

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1:35:11

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1:35:13

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1:35:15

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1:35:17

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once everything falls out. No,

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it's seven miles off shore. You don't have

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once again, you're going to save a bunch

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the, you know, the overall scheme of things.

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You're not harming anyone. What are you talking

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right now, again, if you

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you need earbuds or when you walk down the

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street, can you just listen to other people's earbuds

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here inside their heads? I can usually hear, if

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someone's next to an earbud, I can hear what's

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going on. I have super hearing. I can hear

1:39:45

all sorts of things. That's why I mentioned the

1:39:47

super hearing. So you don't need, but if you

1:39:49

don't need earbuds, but if you don't have super

1:39:52

hearing and you can't listen to other people's earbuds,

1:39:54

you need earbuds. Earbuds don't help you listen to

1:39:56

someone else's earbuds. Earbuds help you listen to the

1:39:58

sounds you want. to hear in your ears. No!

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That's what I'm saying. If you can't hear other

1:40:02

people's earbuds, you need a set of your own

1:40:04

because then if you don't have your own, you

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won't be able to hear anything. I

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could hear that silence. Well, I'm just waiting

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for you to agree with me. What I said

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and Jim. It's

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really gonna be a historical show today in terms

1:40:46

of the topics we're gonna discuss. This next one

1:40:48

involves you. This was a big week.

1:40:51

Jim Cornette was on TV on two different channels within

1:40:53

a few days. I was. And then

1:40:55

on A&E, the Randy Orton biography.

1:41:01

Well, I see the segue that

1:41:04

you segued there because

1:41:06

I thought this was gonna be like the anniversary of

1:41:08

when I was on TV 30 years ago or whatever.

1:41:11

No, you were literally on two different channels in

1:41:14

three days or whatever. Well, yes,

1:41:16

because I'm an international

1:41:18

celebrity. These things happen with regularity when

1:41:20

the magnitude of me, Brian, I've talked

1:41:23

to you about this before. Well, we

1:41:25

saw some of that magnitude in A&E's

1:41:27

biography of Randy Orton. What did

1:41:29

you think? You

1:41:31

know what? I

1:41:33

loved this one. Not even for,

1:41:38

well, I'm not gonna say not even, but

1:41:40

not even for the usually I love the

1:41:42

old footage and then

1:41:44

it's up to whoever does the biography or whoever

1:41:46

the subject is as to whether the show is

1:41:49

any good. But with this one, Randy seems

1:41:51

like he's so smoothed

1:41:54

out and realized what the fuck

1:41:56

and he's got the wife and

1:41:59

kids and You know

1:42:01

he's come back from a back injury

1:42:03

as i said before in the elimination

1:42:05

chamber he was the smartest. Guy

1:42:08

in the match he got the most out of the

1:42:10

least and didn't hurt himself

1:42:12

and and stole the

1:42:14

show blah blah blah. So

1:42:17

it's nice to see that this has a happy

1:42:19

ending. Rather than you

1:42:21

know. Everybody

1:42:23

either hit piece like they did

1:42:25

on fucking savage or everybody having

1:42:27

a miserable story that

1:42:29

ends in. Leprosy

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