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Cbs chick of course is better run

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the team. For a few decades. one

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of those I'm not going for a long

0:47

time folks so I want to bring about

0:49

so we can talk about somebody quarterbacks. But

0:51

he was that the Ls you pro day.

0:54

He was that the U S C pro

0:56

day. So he has some good observations from

0:58

those times he talked to Brian Kelly

1:00

about about Jaden Daniels and Mix. So. Listen.

1:03

To the conversation and we do go into

1:05

some other things, even going back to Two

1:08

Thousand and Twelve and Robert Griffin the third

1:10

Was drafted what it was like then and

1:12

can't get back to that point now because

1:14

that's something that I was asked her. My

1:17

private zoom session with some of the Gold

1:19

members on Wednesday night is can't get back

1:21

to what it was. So we get into

1:24

all that. And oh by the

1:26

way I also for espionage com I

1:28

am story coming up. Should. Be

1:30

up there. I think on Friday about

1:32

what Dan Quinn looks for the quarterback

1:35

based on his defensive back round. so

1:37

some good stuff there that a gap

1:39

in the league meetings chicken. I also

1:42

talk about some of the process I'm

1:44

going here and while. You. Know

1:46

there are certain things that may look like your

1:48

points one way. People. Here with the

1:50

team assure me they have not made up there

1:52

so I don't think even up their meaning assert

1:55

way I don't think you make up your mind

1:57

and for a couple more weeks because they don't

1:59

have to. You can lean a certain

2:01

way, but you need to go through the

2:03

process. Remember, keep in mind, anytime you hear

2:06

anything, this is a process-oriented group. So it

2:08

doesn't mean they may not be leaning a

2:10

certain way. I don't know that, but they

2:12

have not completely settled on one guy. But

2:14

Chick and I get into all that as

2:17

well. So here is my

2:19

conversation with WUSA Channel 9's

2:21

Chick Hernandez. Well,

2:26

Chick, first of all, welcome back to the meeting. Thank

2:28

you. It's an inside joke. It's an

2:31

inside joke. It's an inside joke. But

2:33

I wanted to have you on

2:35

to talk about obviously a few things. And

2:37

you and I have been around a while. We've probably

2:39

combined for about 20 years of coverage here. At least.

2:42

Maybe a little bit more. Maybe a lot more.

2:44

Yeah, probably a lot more. A lot more. But

2:46

we've seen a lot of quarterbacks come and go.

2:49

And we've been here for the start of some of

2:51

these quarterbacks, etc. I want

2:53

to start with you with some of what you've seen. First

2:56

of all, we're going to get into changes here too. But

2:58

somewhat you've seen from you went to the pro days for

3:00

Caleb Williams and Jaden Daniels.

3:03

Yeah. And I'm just let's start

3:05

with Jaden Daniels because I think Caleb's going to

3:07

end up in Chicago. Most likely. Most

3:10

likely. But with Jaden, when

3:12

you were there, what did you see?

3:14

And the other thing is you put

3:16

I know you Brian Kelly talked about

3:18

the Washington Park and you can get we

3:21

can get into that because whatever bought what are you saying anyway,

3:23

but anyways, what'd you say from Jaden at that pro day? Well,

3:25

I just thought I saw what I saw was a

3:27

very fluid motion. I think that

3:31

the kid is obviously talented. What

3:33

we saw was the arm. We didn't see the legs, obviously, because there's

3:35

no reason to run during a pro day. But

3:38

he made every throw and he made it with

3:40

ease, you know, and one of the keys when

3:42

I look at a quarterback, I mean, the downfield

3:44

throw is is what it is. You can throw

3:46

a bomb. You could throw up, you know, 17 yard out. One

3:50

of the most important throws, I think, and

3:53

you know, look, I played quarterback in a

3:55

very lower level in junior college and high

3:57

school is the swing pass. It's

3:59

a pass. that has to be at the

4:02

right spot in order for your running back

4:04

to your slot back to get it

4:06

and not have to be worried about getting

4:08

killed and you know and in full stride

4:10

and he made those throws with ease I

4:13

mean it was perfect so you know

4:15

nothing surprised me about

4:17

him just and

4:19

then got a chance to talk with him afterwards you

4:22

know you know he's he is what he is he's

4:24

just a very humble dude which is

4:26

hard to say for a guy is gonna be

4:28

a top-free pick most likely

4:30

in this draft but just

4:32

has all the tools and I

4:35

think he said he was 2-12 or

4:38

yeah 2-10 or 2-12 folks

4:40

made jokes about I was just a waterway to try to

4:42

you know drink more water before the weigh-in but

4:45

he had the keys he'll be fine he's

4:48

got a quarterback body it's it's

4:50

not you know a man Joe Forbes slight because

4:53

no one in the league is the manual for slight

4:56

but it's he's he's just on a

4:58

on a slender side and the

5:01

wear and tear is gonna be a big

5:03

factor for whoever chooses him you

5:06

know it's funny you bring up the swing passes

5:08

because that is one of the more that is

5:10

a tough throw at times for quarterbacks and it's

5:12

tough for the backs to get that thumbs on

5:14

too but it is it's you know I remember

5:17

watching Donovan McNabb would bounce some of those throws

5:19

at times yes it's difficult it's not always an

5:21

easy throw you've got to give

5:23

your running back it's got to be in the right

5:25

spot you know I've done it I did it to

5:27

a guy in high school I threw the swing pass

5:29

and as soon as I let it go I went

5:31

oh and he got killed and came back to the

5:33

huddle and there was the silence

5:36

in the huddle and then he just looked up and

5:38

said don't ever do that again and I'm like gotcha

5:40

and you know obviously in the pro level you

5:42

got to get it because every step counts and

5:44

if you get it in that right spot that

5:46

guy has your time to turn look and make

5:48

a decision and then when you

5:51

were talking to him like just as you talk about

5:53

humble out that anything stand out

5:55

to you about what he said or just even what

5:58

things you saw with his interaction with

6:00

other guys during that day? Well, during

6:02

that day, I mean, he was, you know, we didn't

6:04

know he was out there at first.

6:06

And then we realized he was out there

6:08

because he was out there for all the

6:10

other measurements, the broad jump, the vertical, all

6:12

of that. And he was screaming

6:15

for his teammates. So he was out there. It

6:18

was, and you know, you've, we've seen some guys

6:20

do that. And it's, you're

6:22

not quite sure that's if it's an act

6:24

or not. This was not an act. And

6:27

talking with his teammates, Malik and those guys,

6:29

they've all said he's the same guy he's

6:31

been since he's been here. And

6:34

they he makes everybody better, which is

6:36

what you want out of that position.

6:39

And it's not fake, he was literally

6:41

cheering these guys on to get the

6:44

best numbers out of themselves for

6:46

the upcoming draft. So, you know, there's there's not

6:48

a, I don't want to look

6:51

for negatives, but there wasn't one. Well,

6:53

you know, it's funny, because the people who wanted to run the

6:55

40, they should have timed it when he ran after Malik neighbors.

6:58

Because that was how he ran down there

7:00

to get up to his 40. Yeah,

7:02

and Malik is a freak, by the way. He's

7:05

he's a freak. And while while

7:08

he says Malik said he's humble,

7:10

he was very, very confident, very, very confident.

7:12

Yeah, I don't know.

7:15

Yeah. And so when you go, you went

7:17

to Caleb's and then you went there. How

7:20

did it again, I know the choice, most

7:23

likely is not between us two, because Chicago is going

7:25

to take one of those. So, but

7:27

again, Caleb, but what was the

7:29

difference between those two being there seeing those

7:32

guys close up your comparison

7:34

maybe for those two pro days and

7:36

those two players? Well, I went

7:38

to Caleb one because he's also a DC

7:40

kid. So I've seen him in high school

7:43

at Gonzaga and to watch the the transformation

7:46

was was really, you know, it's kind of

7:48

wild. But back in the day when I

7:50

was at Maryland, I watched limb bias transform,

7:52

right? So, and I apologize for my clogged

7:54

nose, I'm a little little stuffy today. It

7:56

was, again, Caleb

8:00

did his pro day because he wanted his

8:02

teammates to get a look from the

8:04

NFL guys. There were 22, I think it was the

8:06

largest that they've had at USC. And

8:09

what I saw out of Caleb, I don't think he was as

8:11

sharp. He wasn't as sharp as Jayden

8:13

Daniels was, but he'll admit it. But

8:16

he's also got a different body, a little more thick

8:18

on the lower half, a little

8:21

more stable. He can take some hits. He

8:23

was 212. He made sure everybody knew that.

8:26

He said, I want to be able to take a

8:28

hit from an NFL lineman, get up and go, still

8:30

here. It was

8:32

just, it was a different, it was

8:34

different. Even

8:37

from the PR standpoint, they had us in

8:39

a straight line and wherever Caleb

8:41

came, whoever is going to get them, we just

8:43

happened to have a long microphone stand and I

8:46

could get to him. But

8:48

it was a whole different ballgame. LSU was,

8:50

man, it was well run. Not

8:54

to say that USC wasn't, but it was more sharp. But

8:58

it was, you know, it was cool to see him and

9:00

he's a star. He's a rock star. I

9:02

sat and talked with Dennis Simmons and

9:05

Coach Riley the day before, the USC

9:07

coaches about him. We'll

9:09

air some pieces during draft week about what the

9:11

NFL is getting out of Caleb Williams. But he

9:13

just wasn't as sharp as

9:16

you see it on tape in a game, but

9:18

made some throws that you

9:21

just go. You can hear people going,

9:23

oh, you know, I watched the

9:26

Commander's Brass, Adam Peters, Dan Quinn, the

9:28

scouting staff. I watched the other Chicago

9:30

Bears and there were throws that he

9:32

made when heads just kind of, they

9:34

looked and then looked at each other

9:37

like, oh, okay. So

9:39

that's, that was the cool part to see that in person. When

9:43

those guys were at LSU as well.

9:46

Yeah. Yeah. And

9:48

what reactions did you see out of those guys at the

9:50

LSU Pro Day? It was a little

9:53

more, how do I put this? Giddy

9:56

is not the word, but I think, as

9:58

you just said earlier. I think we all know

10:01

that Caleb most likely is going to Chicago. So it's going to

10:03

be Jane Drake may J.J. McCarthy,

10:05

who knows. But they were

10:07

like they've had conversations with Jane. They were going

10:09

to have one later on after the workout. It

10:13

was very he walked up to

10:15

Adam, Adam Peters. And,

10:18

you know, it was a very, very

10:20

big bro hug that took

10:22

place. So the conversations have taken

10:24

place. These guys are getting to know the players.

10:26

It was just a little more. Like

10:30

this, this, I don't know how to put it, but it

10:32

was like this could be our future.

10:35

You know, it's funny because everybody reads into the bro hugs

10:37

like, oh, they gave one to Drake may. Oh, they

10:39

did this with J.J. McCarthy. Oh, they did this. They're

10:42

greeting all these guys with an air familiarity each

10:44

time and a sense of like, this could be

10:47

our guy. Yes, they have

10:49

to. It's funny. Yeah, they have to. But it's

10:51

funny how like, like, how long did

10:53

they embrace on this bro hug? Oh,

10:56

you know, it was a it was a fist bump

10:58

versus this. What does that mean? Well,

11:00

that's the whole thing about the brain jelly.

11:02

Right. Right. You know, that was a whole

11:05

he said he said he said twice, you know,

11:07

for the commanders. But, you

11:10

know, when I'm doing a piece, there are

11:12

times when I need to and times when

11:14

I don't need to, you know, put my entire

11:16

question in there. It was obvious that

11:18

I was from D.C. He knew that. And

11:21

that's how I cast the question that, you know, he very well

11:23

could be a commander. And

11:25

I said out loud, he could

11:27

be a commander, one of the commanders or the league

11:29

getting in Jane Daniels. Ryan

11:32

Kelly always ended his sentence with for the commanders.

11:34

And people went, he knows

11:36

something which is ridiculous because as as

11:41

as I think you would agree, what

11:43

I love about this staff is. There

11:47

ain't no leaks. They

11:49

are so close to the vest as

11:51

opposed to the Exxon Valdez,

11:54

the prior staff, which just leaked

11:56

everywhere. This was different. This this

11:58

staff is different. little

12:00

things but you know I believe

12:02

them when they say we're not

12:04

sure actually I don't believe them now

12:06

I think they know who they want now but

12:09

I think back during the pro days I

12:11

think they generally wanted to take a big look and

12:14

get a chance to know the guys which

12:16

they're doing but Brian

12:18

Kelly doesn't know Brian Kelly selling his guy he knows

12:20

this guy is going into the top three four six

12:24

that's a no-brainer so why

12:26

not say for the commanders and help the DC

12:28

audience out I guess and

12:30

you know it's funny you say you think they know now and

12:33

I know they're still doing stuff on

12:36

each guy right correct so

12:38

you know it could just be

12:40

validation at this point and

12:42

I think you I'd

12:44

be surprised if they don't have it if

12:46

nothing else if they don't have a big

12:48

lean and then just like maybe because

12:50

I think you still want to get these guys in your

12:53

facility go through that just

12:55

to like okay where where we at

12:57

now where it now still this guy

12:59

still this guy okay but you know

13:01

there's no cuz I think there's still time if

13:03

they get a guy in the building and say

13:05

I just don't know right

13:08

and no that's why you have them in the building that's

13:10

why you have to meet the entire staff but

13:12

you get a sense by going to the pro days and then

13:14

going out to dinner you know it sounds

13:16

simple but going out to dinner and with

13:18

the player with the family

13:21

all of that you

13:23

get a sense it's

13:26

that's what they have to do

13:28

I will say that this staff

13:30

is has left no stone unturned

13:32

I've seen that and

13:35

so I do think that they are

13:37

leaning towards someone do I

13:39

do it up as it is no do I what

13:42

I imagined who it is sure I you know

13:44

that's we all we we all get in that

13:46

speculation game which I hate by the way I

13:49

just want to see the pic I want to see what it

13:51

is you're still having happened Oh Nick's uh-huh

13:54

did that with Sam 48 yesterday

13:56

too sorry did you know it

13:58

was surprise folks Yeah.

14:01

Gave. Him running as fast as

14:03

he ran onto your knees. that would

14:06

have been when we are constructed. reconstructed

14:08

was. That's a big surprise or he's

14:10

gonna be. A dick is actually

14:12

going to be pretty. Good. In the Nfl

14:14

he's a divorce, I'm a. I'm

14:17

partial to let any quarterback so what?

14:19

He's an intriguing guy because the town

14:21

is there the metre cause are the

14:23

concern us but he saw that was

14:25

a different bomb in yeah no he

14:27

he's there's there's a lot to like

14:30

about Michael Pettitte that the concern is.

14:32

Know that at. The.

14:34

Ages is something, right? To

14:37

Ethic, the medicals are a lot and

14:39

yet I think that's where so he

14:41

noted. The. Reasons that he would

14:43

drop we're not going to top ten is

14:45

miss Medical South Sky was it it will.

14:47

Who would you give you say you think

14:49

they're leaning away. Who. Would be what do

14:51

you think? which waiter when. I.

14:54

Mean I, I think. Know

14:57

it's. The. Sake of allows of

14:59

the pr people that behind every

15:01

athlete right? For a

15:03

while Jj Mccarthy was was quiet

15:05

raise like okay he's he's good

15:07

now that's that's cycle started to

15:09

amp up com. Or

15:12

I wouldn't I was the Jd. I

15:14

would think jane. But.

15:18

It is a thing. Adam

15:21

Peters is no dummy. We know this. And.

15:24

The reason that it's not a

15:27

foregone conclusion. Is. Some

15:29

team. Could. Go. Back.

15:32

To crazy with the trade. Yet.

15:35

Six packs in the first. One hundred. What?

15:37

Are they offering. Who do you want? Can.

15:39

We slip all of it. That's that's I'd

15:42

love to be in our room. And

15:44

to get them see those phone calls right?

15:46

Those the amazing phone calls and now that

15:48

all works out I i I believe towards

15:50

Jane. I think that's because I've seen him

15:52

in person. right? That's that's that's

15:55

why I would lead toward hips are desperate

15:57

out My partner was down there and saw

15:59

Drake mates. Two seventy balls that

16:01

back. That's other thing I would. How.

16:03

Many balls that who throw benelux you know

16:05

Drakes. Tough kid but his other that you

16:08

know I'm not here. Is a. Number

16:10

isn't the right word. be or coast. We.

16:12

Just had dragged me somehow.

16:15

Lobbyists, For the guy who

16:17

stuff. Bigger

16:19

version. Nigga version that that

16:21

up as nails? Yeah. Right

16:23

to make throws doesn't doesn't leave the

16:25

game. They nevertheless the game right. All

16:28

that. Got. A

16:30

great. Have. A Shelters. Ah,

16:33

I just. I. Can't wait

16:35

for able to resist. Oh. Okay with.

16:37

Meet meet of but you know I'm going

16:40

back and I agree I joke about bonus

16:42

or because I know is not gone There

16:44

are think the guy comes to get a

16:46

spot in the Nfl ah that sells don't

16:48

it's fans I apologize a fascist put but

16:50

it is the it is an interesting what

16:52

and we've. We've. And.

16:55

You're right about this group being they're

16:57

not going to tip their hands know

16:59

their.i've talked to people who are close

17:01

to these people who say he's not

17:03

even tell me and so in in.

17:05

I think you need to make sure.

17:08

Before you even get to that point

17:10

in, even if you do, you may

17:12

not say anything, because leave it open

17:14

for the possibility. Of. A trade

17:16

if let's say let's say yes. Really

17:19

wants Drake May and they're not sure

17:21

what you're gonna do then right? You

17:23

know you don't know and you don't

17:25

know And I'll say this. They

17:29

had. False. You see and

17:31

ls you. Ah, when the

17:33

commander's brass walks in. It's.

17:36

Not the rest. The league's like. A

17:38

Her. Like. With. The. Right

17:41

now they're sitting pretty and it's

17:43

like it's not like it was

17:45

the last twenty years. You know

17:47

this? it is so different and

17:49

it's like everyone. Comes. Over

17:51

and says what's going on A and are

17:53

picking brains You know they they it's It's

17:55

a different vibe. Other sitting at a

17:57

catbird seat that with a number to pick. With

18:00

the six packs and first one hundred,

18:02

all that an Ebay does. That.

18:04

They have good heads on their shoulders

18:06

right now in that building and so

18:08

it's funny to watch the other people

18:10

from the league react now as opposed

18:12

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18:15

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18:19

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Griffin a third. Is pro Day. And

20:09

I would say. You. Know Shanahan I'm in

20:11

a sticky did a couple noble. Owner

20:15

Robert as they want my little twist

20:17

of the mike. What's going on here?

20:19

Like what? What? What's Well,

20:21

I do. So bizarre. Know

20:23

That said, he probably didn't want him. But.

20:26

He was forced to take a. White. Girl can

20:28

also get back then. What it? what? I

20:30

remember back that is that even some the coaches now say

20:32

it's not so much. Like. For said

20:34

ahead it was about to trade itself by get they

20:36

had no they were going to have written have the

20:39

capital the. They. Wouldn't he would have.

20:41

Advocates are you would not have. A.

20:43

Greg with that trade because I didn't have

20:46

way too much to get better. but and

20:48

some other coaches have told me later that.

20:51

They. Just what Able to do their due

20:53

diligence on the quarterbacks to that point to

20:55

know it's like okay is this going to

20:57

work or not But regardless it happens if

21:00

we do remember about as we're both here

21:02

at that time and I remember yeah just

21:04

the excitement for Robert was just off the

21:06

charts and was how do you compare that

21:08

to this time around because listen this could

21:11

be a transform it of player if they

21:13

get this right. Yeah. I

21:15

went on. member is in. I sat

21:17

down Robert the day before pro day

21:19

we came down early ah solves the

21:21

first to sit down with him and

21:23

gonna get a clear said so that

21:26

he was i'm I'm asking him. Which.

21:28

Is odd now that I'm ever this. What? I

21:30

said do you like the nickname It's a nickname

21:32

but I didn't say if and when remembers I

21:34

would not say it was. We had a dollar

21:37

jar because I thought was the stupidest thing. Rg

21:40

Three. It. Was made. It is longer

21:42

than say Griffin a robber. That makes sense to

21:44

me. It's so I said you liked the nickname

21:46

we went. Limp?

21:48

Really? About. But.

21:51

It is to plant a month. Okay,

21:53

Now I know sort of where. This.

21:56

Is forming right and and he was a brand die. His

22:00

pro career. Ah, but

22:02

to see him in person and milk the

22:04

frozen how fast he was. Music. Is

22:07

a football player base track startup about it.

22:09

It's a beautiful. And. We

22:12

saw that bear out in the way. the

22:14

body. To. Come close. but it

22:16

was complete assignments. Andrew Luck, Robert

22:18

Griffin who's going to be by

22:20

the boss. Ah, I remember

22:22

Bureau Watson, The. That.

22:25

Point: The Redskins bras come in. After

22:27

a late night for dinner with with Robert and

22:29

are coming to the hotel. That

22:32

this lot of insert alcohol rubs

22:34

gone on there with Bruce Allen

22:36

in that Snyder. Ah and I

22:38

thought this is this is this

22:40

is done to.deals are. They.

22:43

Cited was phenomenal. Advices rookie year was

22:45

you know it was insane. Art ourselves

22:47

for that point was Comcast sports that

22:49

we are pregame show out there and

22:51

stadium. It was off the shade just

22:53

hundreds of fans wanted a pregame show

22:55

coming and afterwards the post game show.

22:57

It was just as good as it

22:59

gets. As good as it's been. For

23:02

this franchise prior to and Eighty Ninety

23:05

Two, that's what I'll say. This is

23:07

different cause a lot more speak done.

23:10

And you're seeing. The. Others it

23:12

there's a couple book quarterbacks in a

23:14

really good quarterbacks that the or that

23:16

could play this league and be your

23:18

franchise. As opposed to let me look

23:20

back then it was Andrew. Robert I was

23:23

it. It. Was it. It is data

23:25

here when a little bit later right and you

23:27

know but he was not in line for nobody

23:29

was talk about him as a possible second pick

23:31

a.gov The funny thing is I think if they

23:33

had stayed put it to they would have taken.

23:36

Get. That out a bad you

23:38

know and. But. How

23:41

do you think this could obviously. The.

23:44

Level of excitement is different

23:47

because. There's. Not just that

23:49

one guy that just Ben Taylor been

23:51

Drake or Taylor the Jaden. right?

23:53

you're going to people going to talk themselves into something

23:55

are not taught himself into a but that it would

23:58

be wouldn't be this sort of discussion would be all

24:00

on this one guy and what he could do. Yeah.

24:03

Do you think that this can get, can

24:06

this get this franchise back? And is this a pick that can get

24:08

us back? Do you feel like these guys are those kind of players?

24:11

I think they can be a part of it.

24:14

What I like is, look

24:17

at what they've done for the age of why, somebody's

24:19

like, they got these older guys. Well, they got a

24:21

bunch of guys that can play, can still play. Everybody's

24:23

like Bobby Wagner. Well, Leonard Fletcher was

24:25

older when he came, I thought I was mistaken

24:27

to the franchise. And had some pretty good run

24:29

with the Burgundy and gold. I

24:31

think that they are kind of fitting pieces in,

24:34

and that's what Peters does. He's got a

24:36

puzzle and he's putting pieces in. And

24:38

if you want to make fun

24:40

of Marcus Mariota, go ahead. But

24:42

he's a viable quarterback in

24:45

the National Football League that can help out

24:47

while the young gun gets ready, or they just throw him

24:50

right in. So

24:52

I think, Yes.

24:58

It's going to be, the quarterback's going

25:00

to be a difference maker. Whether that's right

25:03

now or not, I was looking up

25:05

numbers. Last

25:08

year's rookie class, Bryce

25:10

Young, started 16

25:12

games, played 16 games. He

25:14

was 2-14. TJ

25:17

Stroud, 9-6, started 15 games. Anthony

25:21

Richardson for Indy, he was the fourth pick,

25:23

2-2, didn't play until later in the season. So

25:26

the expectation level is going to be great

25:28

from the fan base

25:30

here. You've got to temper that.

25:32

And I think Peters, Quinn,

25:35

even Cliff Kingsbury know that we just, they can't

25:37

come out of the gate, and it's going

25:40

to be spectacular. And that's why they're getting these

25:42

pieces in, the Eclers, all of that. I

25:45

think that's what's going to take place. This thing's

25:47

going to be better. It's going to be

25:49

better across the board. At least that's the

25:51

way I feel about it right now. There

25:54

was such a last year watching going, every

25:57

post game, we're like, what Do we ask Ron? Now

26:01

is I think this is a whole different ballgame

26:03

Dead grade It's is a whole different ball games

26:06

and will you to seven second top button. Or

26:08

are dead? Great because his flat out set up

26:10

that a curse that's great. What? Followed

26:14

that but he but it's funny because it

26:16

I did his private zoo for some of

26:18

the gold members on the podcast and somebody

26:20

as he can I say. He.

26:23

Had this. Can this franchise get

26:25

back to? What? It was

26:27

as far as like selling out stacks and

26:29

doing odessa my if they hit on this

26:31

quarterback I'd pay. I mean. The

26:34

Robert. Season. Was.

26:36

Electric. Electric if you can

26:38

get like a quarterback like that. They start

26:40

to when. People. Going to go.

26:42

I would think they're going to with you. You're.

26:45

You're. From this area you know, just. Yet.

26:47

There's no question and it's a ton a

26:50

front running down. but they are starving. Starving.

26:53

One. Of the and wasn't we talk about oh well

26:55

we want us to Super Bowls do that was nineteen.

26:57

Ninety Two was the last one. Stop. It

26:59

already is a long, long time ago.

27:02

But. Date. That's what they still

27:04

remember the generations afterwards. I.

27:07

Feel bad for them. They have no idea

27:09

what what he is like. the just they

27:11

don't know. Twenty twelve? Okay. And a

27:13

division title. But that's it. That's

27:15

it. It's. Solar star for

27:18

it. Would make a back to back in

27:20

droves. Don't love the coach? If they're winning

27:22

you'll be a guy who's pirates on was

27:24

not. Fun! Out of the podium

27:26

twice and is. To rewrite been. Cursed.

27:29

Out somebody will ever the first time. Know.

27:31

That's first year. You. Might have

27:33

asked a question about your ah out in up

27:35

he but you know he did. It was a

27:38

whole lot of fire there it was just the

27:40

same thing over and over again. you don't get

27:42

that would include at not could be the case

27:44

because your passion. And

27:46

I think that the team. Will. Feed

27:48

off of that as well. I.

27:51

Think so too. And think that's why when we had

27:53

those zooms on. With. sedate there is

27:55

a was a you wealthy i think it was

27:57

right yeah but with the returning guys and i

27:59

know You and I, again, we've been here for

28:01

a little while. We've seen a number

28:04

of regime changes, and you get a lot of

28:06

times the same stuff. But I

28:08

do think there's something a little bit

28:10

different this time. When

28:13

you hear, you know, Doron Payne can

28:15

give you an answer, and

28:17

you just gotta go, uh,

28:19

what? His

28:21

exuberance on the Zoom on

28:24

Wednesday was palpable. Tress

28:26

Way, one of the best sound bites

28:28

on that team. Did he just let it rip?

28:30

Doron and Zoom, it was awesome, right? He was

28:33

so excited. Just,

28:36

it's different. Sam Cosby, who, I think

28:38

you recall the Zoom, the last thing

28:40

he said to us in that locker

28:42

room on the closeout day was, we

28:45

said, run the damn ball. He was

28:47

so grumpy and so ticked off, and

28:49

then to see him, and I asked, you know,

28:52

all the influx of new people, and

28:54

he was successful enough. So, and

28:56

he was saying, right, it was like, it's

28:59

like I'm on a brand new team, where I'm a

29:01

freshman in college. I've just come to see, like, all

29:03

these new faces. When you sit in a meeting room,

29:06

you're like, oh, buddy Wagner, oh my gosh, Austin Echler,

29:08

oh, you know, and they're like, they played against him

29:10

for so long, and now they get a chance to

29:12

pick their brains. It's just

29:14

a whole different vibe. It's from top to bottom.

29:16

You know, the fish head was cut off. We

29:19

said that as soon as the fish head was cut, things

29:21

are gonna change. Things are changing. They

29:23

are, and you know, the other thing Sam said too,

29:25

was the, how, you know, he

29:28

feels like he gives some input to

29:30

the O-line coach Bobby Johnson. Now, I

29:32

don't know how good some of these coach coaches are gonna

29:34

be, but I think for some of these

29:37

players, if they feel like they

29:39

can provide some input, it would

29:41

go a long way, because I think for a few

29:43

of them over the last year or couple, they

29:45

didn't feel like they had that ability.

29:47

No, no, and obviously, you know, Eric

29:49

the enemy was running his offense, and

29:51

he did not, he did not veer

29:54

from that when it was called for. Obvious

29:56

at times that he needed to switch up, and that

29:58

wasn't taking place, and that's... That's why you've got guys

30:00

offensive wanting to come up the field going, what are we

30:03

doing here? What are we doing? And

30:06

they were right. That's

30:08

why everybody's gone. Right. And

30:10

it's, but it's, I think that, you know, regardless of

30:12

household, I think the ability to do

30:14

that matters to these guys. No

30:17

question. No question. You know, if you feel

30:19

like they've invested in you, you're

30:21

invested in them. And that's, that's

30:24

part of the team framework.

30:26

If you have that, it's not just an autonomy, blah, blah,

30:28

blah. That doesn't work. It does

30:30

work in New England. It worked in New

30:32

England because you had a Hall of Fame quarterback

30:35

and Hall of Fame coach. They don't

30:37

have that here. They're going to have to do it

30:40

as a family. And right now it

30:42

looks, you know, until they put,

30:45

you know, fingers in the dirt in

30:47

September, we'll see. But

30:50

right now everything they've done so far has

30:52

made complete sense to me. Yeah.

30:55

Oh, me too. You know, I always

30:57

like, if I can understand the plan, whether

30:59

it works or not, you can understand

31:02

it's okay. There's a logic behind it.

31:05

Not not every plan is going to work out.

31:07

But I think if when you approach something with

31:09

a plan, essentially, if you're

31:12

good at what you do, eventually

31:14

will work out. I tell

31:16

people, because I was asked,

31:18

I was Brian Kelly asked

31:20

me, you know, what's it like in

31:23

the building? I said, coach, for

31:26

the past 15 years, you

31:28

walk in the building and people

31:30

that work inside Ashburn almost

31:32

didn't make eye contact with you. Like,

31:35

how you doing? And it was they were on

31:37

something else. Now you walk in. And

31:40

it's like, hey, what's happening? I contact,

31:42

how can I help you? It's a small

31:44

thing. It

31:46

goes with the culture change, all of it.

31:48

It's just different, right? You feel better walking.

31:50

You feel good covering. It's as opposed to

31:53

we're all guilty of it. Last

31:55

decade walking in that building going. we

32:00

got today? Where

32:02

can we go? Where are we allowed

32:04

to go? It was like, you know,

32:06

single file, all in BS.

32:09

It's a whole different regime. They

32:12

do need to fix the building by

32:15

NFL standards, apart from players, they walk in

32:17

and see the weight room and go, what?

32:20

Yeah, where's the other half? Yeah, yeah. So

32:22

that's different. I think the ownership is

32:25

going to change that. If I know they're going to change

32:27

that, whether it's in Asper or somewhere else, that's going to

32:29

be changed. So they're doing

32:31

the right thing. And that's, that's all you get

32:33

asked. Harris, I rails,

32:36

they're all doing the right thing. And

32:39

I think what you see when you walk in there, the

32:41

word is called happiness. But

32:43

it is, yes, it is, it is funny, though,

32:46

because what a difference it can make. And that's

32:48

why, when you have,

32:50

when people talk about changing, changing

32:53

a culture, it's everything. And it's not

32:55

just one, it's not just in the

32:58

locker room, because there have been times in the locker room

33:00

was like, they have a good football culture, but the building

33:02

itself was not. And so I think that's the thing that,

33:04

that does take a while to make it a, not

33:07

just a, you know, a first class organization. That's

33:09

what you want. I remember when Shanahan would come

33:11

here, he'd talk about like the Niners and all

33:13

that. They never, they have never had, they haven't

33:15

had that here in a long time. I

33:18

will say, and you know, we can, we'll

33:21

have to end on this because they got about a

33:23

minute left. All right. Bruce Allen. If

33:26

a player walked in the building, there was no hugs. There

33:28

was nothing zero, right? You've seen the

33:31

way the guys react to Adam Peters when they

33:33

walk in the building, right? It's a whole, it's

33:35

just different. And I think that's going to whether

33:37

it equates the wins or not. It's gonna

33:39

be a better product. Simple as that. But

33:42

it's also last thing for me on like the

33:44

Bruce Allen thing, you'd have people who would work

33:46

here who would say, Yeah, I worked on this

33:48

project with him. And then like, when They're

33:51

done with it, he wouldn't, he basically wouldn't acknowledge

33:53

them. And That's a small thing. But I Think

33:55

it goes a long way toward making people, everybody

33:57

there feel important, which I Do think when you.

34:00

Do that. It creates a much. You.

34:02

Know you still need to get the quarterback right? Bra that

34:04

stuff you. I get the corporate. But. There's a

34:06

reason why people like working for Joe Gibbs

34:09

and etc like when you make people with

34:11

every job feel important than it carries a

34:13

long way and it trickles down to the

34:15

organization, so no question next time I come

34:17

on I'll have no cold. Virus or

34:19

like on. Nozick. Thanks for it. Thanks for

34:21

coming out when wanted to tell people what you going to

34:24

have come up. We. Are quadriplegic schwab

34:26

ass especially on kilograms. Take May

34:28

and Jack Daniels I weekend and

34:30

I'll be at the draft to

34:32

talk with the number to pick

34:34

up the commanders and as Penelope

34:36

in Aspirin to get the reaction

34:38

from. The commander's brass on W

34:40

S a nice big. Thank. You

34:42

Jack! Setup

34:46

for this episode. Thanks to check

34:48

for joining me and thank you

34:50

as always for tuning in. Are

34:52

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