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Hello

0:44

and welcome to another live stream edition

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of the John Kerry for the pre-draft

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0:53

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click on there. A couple reminders before Bram and

1:17

I get going here. I'm

1:20

going to have John Jansen on the show in the

1:22

next few days. And we talk

1:24

a little bit about J.J. McCarthy just

1:26

a little bit, but a lot about

1:28

his memories from playing here, some fun

1:30

Joe Gibbs period memories, but also offensive

1:32

line play. Just, there's a lot of

1:34

concern about this line, Bram, or just

1:37

where can it be? How can coaching

1:39

help? How can scheme help? John

1:41

knows all that stuff. So Bram,

1:43

today we heard from

1:45

Adam Peters and Lance Newmark. And I

1:47

will say I've heard good things about Newmark. We'll

1:50

see how it plays out over the season, over

1:52

the next few years, but what

1:54

stood out to you today? I

1:57

mean, not really a ton. I

2:00

mean, I didn't expect them to reveal very much.

2:03

They went out of their way, or

2:05

Adam Peters did, to spend the majority of

2:07

the beginning of the press conference thanking literally

2:09

everybody by name, which I thought was

2:11

interesting that they did that. And the only

2:14

thing that was really newsworthy was

2:16

that Adam Peters, you know, he didn't

2:18

say it was, there

2:20

was no chance they would trade out, but made it

2:23

sound like it was almost a

2:25

definitive that they were gonna stay. And

2:27

not that, at two. Not that I

2:29

think that's a really big surprise or

2:31

it's any revelatory thing, but it does

2:33

take that off the table. I mean,

2:35

it was always this hanging thing that

2:37

someone like Minnesota or the Raiders or

2:39

someone we're not thinking about wants to

2:41

trade up to get probably Jayden Daniels.

2:43

And it seems that they've taken that

2:45

off the table and they are gonna

2:47

select a quarterback at number two. Very

2:50

much so. And the other stood out too

2:52

is they understand that

2:55

there is some pressure with all these picks.

2:57

And like, they're not running from that because

2:59

you have six picks in the top 100, but

3:02

you gotta get the second pick right. That's

3:04

why they're taking their time. Now, the other

3:06

thing you said, Bram, was that they, listen,

3:09

we've been saying this, they haven't

3:11

yet settled on their guy. It doesn't mean they

3:13

don't think they know who their guy is, but

3:16

they haven't settled for sure. Like they're gonna meet

3:19

and go over all the top 30 visits

3:21

and just kind of finalize everything. So I

3:23

think we all agree that they probably have

3:25

a strong lean toward a guy. They just

3:27

haven't said, okay, what do

3:29

you think, what do you think? What do you

3:31

think, let's meet again tomorrow, let's meet again the

3:33

next day and make sure we still are on

3:35

the same page with this particular player. So early

3:37

next week is probably when they'll know. And as

3:39

you said, you don't need to know until you

3:41

need to know. So when they make

3:43

their pick, that's when they have to know for

3:45

sure. I think they'll know a little bit before

3:48

then, but that's not a really big surprise either.

3:51

And as far as the trading goes,

3:55

the hard part with the, they're

3:57

not trying to play hardball here with that. That's not what

3:59

they're doing. doing like teams

4:02

know that teams have known other teams have

4:04

known that they want to stay at number

4:06

two which tells you that they like these

4:08

quarterbacks more than the package of get the

4:10

other problem is to brand with trading back

4:12

let's say you let's say Minnesota wanted to

4:14

move up you're not guaranteed of getting one

4:17

of the guys you like at

4:19

11 which is where nice be so

4:21

then you're running the risk of you know and

4:23

if you I mean maybe like Michael Pennick's enough

4:25

to draft them that high I don't know I

4:27

just I would have

4:29

a hard time seeing that just given

4:31

the health history but

4:33

you know if that's your guy but like you're

4:36

still not guaranteed of anything that's why that's partly

4:38

why I think that they're just gonna stay pointed

4:40

to get the guy you like and I think

4:42

they can also take that tack brand because six

4:44

picks in the top 100 they have

4:47

ammo in this draft yeah and

4:49

they obviously have a lot of things they

4:51

need to do but the reality is that

4:53

they need to get a quarterback and

4:56

they're in a really great position for that

4:58

there are a lot of really viable candidates

5:00

to do it with I

5:02

do think that I don't know how

5:04

how they feel about perception you know that that's what

5:07

I don't know them well enough to know the answer

5:09

to anything like that I do

5:11

think a selection of JJ McCarthy would

5:13

have a ripple effect in the fan

5:15

base over the

5:17

other two assuming Caleb Williams obviously is

5:20

gone over the other two Daniels

5:22

or May and I do think this is

5:24

really a choice between Daniels and May and

5:27

frankly like I

5:29

don't know where they're gonna go like I thought

5:32

by now I would but I really don't know

5:34

where they're going to go and I

5:37

was kind of at like 60 40

5:39

Daniels my preference in watching him has been

5:42

Daniels this of course not knowing either one

5:44

of these players they've been getting to know

5:46

the players a little bit but as the

5:48

days have progressed Schefter

5:50

backtracking on go by your Jane

5:53

Daniels Jersey Daniel Jeremiah saying things

5:55

like I'd pick Daniels but knowing

5:57

Adam Peters the way I do

6:00

I think they may go Drake May. I really

6:03

do feel at this point It's like 50

6:05

50 and I'll just stick to my guns

6:07

and go 51 49 Daniels But

6:10

I do think it's gonna be one of those two Right,

6:13

and I think you're the with Adam the

6:15

other thing with Adam with the whole Jersey thing you know,

6:18

I talked to him he's kind of kidding about

6:20

that but what he wasn't kidding about has

6:23

been the Signals and signs pointing

6:25

to buying jerseys is a

6:27

definitive statement. That's It's

6:29

not what you you know, I know

6:31

I know Adam and I know Thinking

6:33

I've had conversation with about this It's always

6:35

signals and signs point to this and I

6:37

would still say that that but I think

6:41

What we don't know is fully

6:43

what does this group truly value

6:46

in the quarterbacks? And I

6:48

like Jayden Daniels a lot like the more

6:50

I've watched him and there's certainly concerns with

6:52

each of these quarterbacks What I

6:54

like with dang is he checks the boxes man

6:56

He's not like, you know, there's not I mean

6:58

the guy works He doesn't and plus he has

7:00

all that time the assumption seems to

7:02

be that he stopped improving or that he won't

7:04

improve as much I don't think you can assume

7:06

that just because you're a little bit older I

7:08

mean, it's also you started putting in a certain

7:11

style of work over the last couple years and it

7:13

paid off So this there I think

7:15

you can still get better but I also see

7:17

with Drake May like would that appeal to them

7:19

maybe in a different way and You

7:23

know just because of the size and You

7:26

know the durability that comes with that and

7:28

the strong arm that he has and

7:30

you know, it's funny I was talking to somebody over

7:32

at the facility one time is like, you

7:34

know about like a Gibbs type quarterback Well,

7:36

that would be like a Drake made just

7:38

because he loved the size But

7:42

the other the other part too and somebody just

7:44

brought stuff on there about the adversity Jaden

7:47

has faced that too. I mean you go

7:49

from You know

7:51

you go to a new school You know

7:53

you there are some things going on there

7:55

like you had to do that and in

7:57

the toughest conference So the other the other

7:59

part So of course, I want to

8:01

just emoji gate from the other night

8:03

with the agent with a

8:06

little, you know, a little

8:08

emoji and what that meant. And clearly

8:10

they were not happy with all

8:12

the quarterbacks coming in at one time. I've

8:15

talked to a few people today,

8:17

like in the league, like, what

8:20

did you think of them all coming together? Nobody really

8:22

had a problem with that. And

8:24

I talked to other people like with this, because I know

8:26

somebody like, oh, well, because the agent did this, you can't

8:29

draft the player like, nobody

8:31

told me that. Like someone was like,

8:33

once you draft them, like you're not dealing with

8:35

the agent, you know, is the kid good? And

8:37

the kid there are no, I haven't

8:40

heard anybody say a bad word about

8:42

Jayden Daniels, the person. So

8:44

I, you know what I mean? So I just

8:46

like that whole thing is much ado about nothing.

8:49

And I will say, it's not something you should

8:51

be doing, you know, for an agent,

8:53

because you have to understand what, how it impacts

8:55

your guy. But as far as

8:57

like this team goes in him, it shouldn't have

9:00

any impact. My

9:02

take on that was

9:05

one, I don't know his intentions because I've never spoken to

9:07

his agent. So

9:10

I don't know. This was either a really

9:13

bad idea by him to

9:15

weigh in at all on,

9:17

or he's speaking on behalf of his client.

9:19

That's where I'm not really sure

9:21

like where we are on that. Like is

9:24

he saying this because Jayden Daniels didn't like

9:26

this or is he saying this because he

9:28

didn't like this? And

9:32

if that had been, he's not doing a very

9:34

good job advocating on behalf of his client who

9:36

could be the number two pick. And if he

9:38

isn't, it costs him money to not be the

9:40

number two pick. So I don't

9:42

really totally understand why he did what he did.

9:44

I also don't know what his intentions were.

9:46

I also don't think it's a big deal. I

9:49

think they went out

9:52

and went to top golf and they did a

9:54

group thing. Other teams have done this with a

9:56

number of players. If The quarterbacks

9:59

are so. Learned all by being part

10:01

of something like that that. I think it's a

10:03

little telling that they don't want to be. Part

10:06

of the group or they want to be

10:08

shortly and that's another reason why I don't

10:10

understand why the agents would weigh in. It

10:13

gives off this like impression that and he

10:15

probably didn't even mean it this way that.

10:17

My. Guy wants to be treated differently

10:19

than everybody else. Really? Like

10:21

that's the impression you want to give you

10:24

a fan base or to anybody else so

10:26

other out bit of a signing anything to

10:28

what he did. I just did really understand

10:30

the purpose of it and I didn't think

10:32

it was very productive. On. His clients

10:34

bath at all. I'd. Have

10:36

a hard time believing that Jaden would say something

10:38

where he'd want to put that out like that

10:40

is when they said. I have talked to people

10:43

who know Jane very well who said the two

10:45

teams that he wants his he would like to

10:47

see him go to. One will be Washington, one

10:49

would be Minnesota because of good. And. Partly

10:51

as I just point was because the coaching

10:54

that he feels like he's going to get

10:56

in and will either one of those places

10:58

and just because a cozy of the sappy

11:00

understand position very well and I doing here

11:03

with a guy to play college in particular

11:05

so I'm sorry I don't think it's a

11:07

matter of. This kid

11:09

you're anything like that. So I think it's

11:11

much ado about nothing and I do think

11:13

right the other question with the to isn't

11:15

it was kind of s the press conference

11:18

and. This. Up here and

11:20

about the ceiling in the

11:22

potential yeah that the the

11:24

narrative has been that. Great.

11:27

May has a higher ceiling. Do.

11:29

You completely. By. That know

11:31

I have. Why? I don't know why people

11:34

keep saying that. I don't know why. Does

11:36

is a few years younger. he played less.

11:38

I mean is that is that where that

11:40

opinion is is coming from? Like. I

11:42

mean here's what I know. that Daniels like

11:44

I watched a lot of I'm At Arizona

11:46

State is young. And. Then I watched

11:48

a lot of a middle as you and he

11:50

got a lot better. Considerably better to the point

11:53

where he won the Heisman Trophy was dominant player

11:55

last year, and if it wasn't for Caleb Williams

11:57

might very easily be the number one pick in

11:59

the draft. Year. So.

12:01

His. Ceiling Like, so you're suggesting. He's topped

12:04

out by going from a lower tier

12:06

coppers to a higher tier copper to

12:08

get better competition. Where he got better,

12:10

you can't open your mind to the

12:12

idea that there's still room to grow,

12:14

but because May has it at that

12:16

level of experience or played that caliber

12:18

of opponents rightly, that they're still his

12:20

room to grow because she's a little

12:22

bit younger. like I don't. I.

12:24

Don't buy that stuff. I do

12:27

believe. Either. One of them are

12:29

going to have an adjustment period here. Like. I

12:31

don't think like one comes in is definitively Cj

12:33

Stroud and the other one needs to years sitting

12:36

on the bench to figure out how to be

12:38

a quarterback. I just don't totally buy all that.

12:41

A dig! In the end, this team need to

12:43

pick the person they're most comfortable with. They're. Both

12:45

very high caliber prospects put

12:47

their prospects. And. I and

12:49

I. I do believe that like. This.

12:52

Is a big, credibly difficult

12:54

decision. Because. It's.

12:56

Not obvious like I don't think it's

12:59

obvious. like it's one thing I think

13:01

the bears have like incredible options in

13:03

front of him, but the choice they're

13:06

making perceptually is obvious like that's the

13:08

person they have to go with. And.

13:11

For Washington, they could go either way

13:13

here. And the chances of both

13:15

been great are slim. So. They're

13:18

going to be defined by what is dispersed

13:20

enormous decision that they're going to make it.

13:22

I don't blame them for taking all the

13:24

time that they need to try to figure

13:26

out exactly who that person is to take

13:28

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That's why I never minded. More

14:08

like this idea that they had

14:10

somehow know what do you think

14:12

that like you have appeared attacking

14:14

the hardest bombers. I like. My

14:18

fear much. His room he with the

14:20

you settle on a guide. Or

14:23

three weeks ago. And. Then over the next

14:25

three weeks to a month you find out something

14:27

more. With. Your sit on the sky

14:29

already. Then. Maybe

14:33

you're putting them to prison the wrong guy

14:35

because well you know we why so on

14:37

and you did made you overlooked something in

14:39

the process and you realize later that own

14:41

should have paid more attention that so that's

14:43

why they go to at your house to

14:45

know right now and then and you it

14:48

so I'm and yet grim. For.

14:50

Josh algebra. just my daughter. Wyoming lotta

14:52

guys who have not and that's the

14:55

problem. Like. There's. There's no sure

14:57

Trump Years. Once the Trump it became

14:59

grins. Go to bed while time so

15:01

you know you, you don't you? It's

15:03

hard to go one to one because

15:05

he's not Josh Elm. But I think

15:07

we're Wedgwood Allen. I think where where

15:09

the comparison would you would hope is

15:11

the work that goes into trying to

15:13

get nutter. I think that's where Juri

15:15

your Drake may address a fan you're

15:17

going to put in. that war doesn't

15:19

Yeah, news will soon. I didn't Juju

15:22

Mccarthy would to. but I think between

15:24

the two. Both may

15:26

and deals with do that. But. That's

15:28

worse I got if you're young and you

15:30

do that and you fixed of what where

15:32

can you fix the delivery a little bit

15:34

but there's also saw the part is where

15:36

is the. Does. Is processing speed

15:38

increases well because he's gonna see a

15:40

lot more different deep edges when Daniel

15:42

saw more variety of differences in the

15:44

S E C than than major to

15:46

me as you see for sure. So

15:48

how's that going to look for him?

15:50

and if he has a guy that

15:52

has to go sit for little bit

15:54

how long you willing to wait? To.

15:57

Do that and and I don't. Think.

15:59

Here you want. I wait that long, do you? No,

16:01

no, not at all. And this is the other

16:03

thing that I think is really important here. And,

16:06

you know, I think it's something that will

16:08

touch a nerve with everybody. Like this

16:11

organization, um, the

16:13

way it had been run for a long

16:15

time, I don't believe had

16:18

the proper support system, maybe in

16:20

certain times it did. Maybe when Joe Gibbs

16:22

was here, Mike Shanahan to a certain degree,

16:25

but that got undermined by what was happening

16:27

in and around his team, but

16:29

the support system here is completely utterly different and

16:31

we don't know if it's going to work or not

16:33

because they haven't been put to the test of

16:35

whether it's going to work or not. But

16:37

I do believe that all players, when they

16:40

come into any situation, the, one

16:42

of the biggest factors, not only just their

16:44

work ethic, their talent, their ability to get

16:46

better, but it matters what's around them. This

16:49

coaching staff, the front office, the support staff,

16:51

all the things that the ownership is trying

16:53

to do to make the building better, the

16:55

area better, the fan base feel better about

16:58

everything. You know, like I think

17:00

that that really matters here. And so either

17:02

way that they go and assuming it's one

17:04

of these two, um, however

17:07

long it takes, it's going to end

17:09

up coming down to all of the

17:11

people supporting that process. Because I don't

17:13

expect Jayden Daniels, if he's the pick

17:15

to have BCJ Stroud, like, I hope

17:17

he is, but like, I don't expect

17:19

that out of a rookie in the

17:22

same way, I wouldn't expect it out

17:24

of Drake may, but is this organization

17:26

prepared to develop somebody like

17:28

Josh Allen was developed in Buffalo

17:30

over the long haul. It's going

17:32

to have a lot to do with this coaching staff,

17:34

Cliff Kingsbury, Dan Quinn, Adam Peters, everything

17:36

that happens in and around it. And

17:39

that's where we're kind of in a

17:41

very different day. And I'm

17:43

very optimistic about all of that, but

17:45

they haven't played a game together. So

17:48

we don't know what this is going

17:50

to be. It feels really good. It

17:52

feels really different. I hope it's going

17:54

to be really different. And for either

17:56

one of these quarterbacks, I'm optimistically believing

17:58

they're walking into a very different. situation

18:00

than in the past. But

18:03

until they get out there and

18:05

prove that and show the patients

18:07

you're talking about, which whatever direction

18:09

they go, then we'll know the true

18:11

story of how things develop as a

18:13

team and with this specific player. I

18:16

think the support stuff is a big deal.

18:19

I think that's a big deal just

18:21

because, you know, last

18:24

year they talked about having a plan for Sam

18:26

Hall. Well, the plan wasn't very good because I

18:29

think they just hoped they had a plan, but

18:31

they didn't really have a plan to

18:33

help him. And they, you know, they're helping him was, hey,

18:35

let's have him throw 67% of the time or

18:38

whatever was not a good plan.

18:40

Like when you talk to these guys, like they

18:42

understand how do you help a rookie quarterback? You

18:44

get that you've got to build up that defense,

18:46

get some playmakers on defense or get take

18:49

away the ball on defense, get a

18:51

running game. And I do believe we'll

18:53

see the run game. You know, get people

18:55

get tail around this quarterback that can help. Like that's

18:57

why I think they're going to get a tight end

19:00

in this draft, you know, pair him with Zach or

19:02

it's getting him a corn dots and whomever

19:04

else they had over there and to and to have

19:06

an attack that can help a young quarterback. Don't put

19:08

all the burden on his shoulders like they did with

19:11

how, you know, it's funny because I talked to a

19:13

coach who was here last year. It was like he

19:15

felt like how was the best player in offense last

19:17

year. It's just that they just had not

19:20

a great plan around him. And

19:22

I think that's where I think it's one of

19:24

the ways it's better is I think they understand

19:26

with a rookie, you have to approach it

19:29

like this. So whoever it is. And that's

19:31

why I say if they take Drake May,

19:33

I see why I can see why. But

19:35

also I also have to respect they've

19:38

put in a little bit more work than calling up

19:40

in all 22 on Google and

19:42

watching a couple hours of Jaden Daniels and

19:44

Drake. Hey, there's a lot of stuff behind

19:46

the scenes. You also like what we don't

19:48

know is what were these quarterbacks asked to

19:50

read? How often are they making the right

19:53

read within that? How quickly are they doing

19:55

that within the context of the offense? And

19:57

there's sometimes like, for example, I'm watching the Ohio.

20:00

The spring game the other day and there

20:02

was want either that or red zone touchdown

20:04

pass right? and they have rind a standing

20:06

right there and it's like you would fight.

20:08

it's a boom boom play they asked him

20:10

what would you think about Bahraini? good. He.

20:13

He took too long. And. So

20:15

like because you know that over time.

20:17

That. Little split second will add up to

20:19

right? So the doors of things you don't

20:21

know. That's what Zeno so I always laugh

20:24

were know people like you know that they

20:26

don't You gotta see it through their eyes

20:28

like the work they put in is way

20:30

more than all of us combined and so

20:32

I guess was a huge just. If

20:34

they take the guy that you don't want,

20:36

you guys are well. hopefully they done the

20:38

right work and got the right guy. That's

20:40

what you're in the Us. so as a

20:42

matter of trust it's matter of trust. Ran

20:44

into it as a matter. trust and it's

20:46

also like. But there's also we can't be

20:48

overlooked year and this is why he bleeding

20:50

Daniels is his athleticism off the charts. And

20:53

that is something that may can't replicate.

20:56

Like. He's zero to twenty. Vacating the

20:58

pocket is gonna be taught high for quarterback

21:00

in the Nfl. Maybe top three. You

21:03

know, if he develops into a quarterback who

21:06

who was able to extend it should be

21:08

old extend a lot of plays with his

21:10

legs, but do so by virtue with his

21:12

arm. he could be as dangerous as any

21:15

quarterback in the Nfl off script is so

21:17

important now or but it's the ones who

21:19

are able to extend plays with their arm

21:21

and not just with their legs that are

21:24

the ones are ultimately successful. That package seems

21:26

to be evident in him. On, I've

21:28

read all the stories about his work ethic where

21:30

he's the guy showing up at five thirty in

21:32

the morning and wanting to get better and better

21:34

and better. Herm Edwards is raving about him. Brian

21:36

Kelly is raving about him. They said they had

21:38

to kick him out of the building. it's idea

21:41

to change rules about how often players could come

21:43

in here because he was first in last out.

21:45

So like. And. it's so obvious

21:47

just you could tell on his demeanor how important it is

21:49

the him to get better and better and better and that's

21:51

why i hate hearing about this like would maybe he maxed

21:53

out of l as you well if you work for where

21:55

he was it airs or states where he did it else

21:58

you would it matters this much damn why don't you think

22:00

he's going to get just better in the NFL when he adjusts

22:02

to it. So for me, that

22:04

athleticism is

22:06

just a difference making quality.

22:09

I don't think he's, it doesn't read.

22:11

Like if you watch the LSU games

22:13

that he's going to make one read

22:15

and run, which is the scary part

22:17

of a quarterback at that age, like

22:20

Lamar Jackson kind of did, Justin Fields

22:22

kind of did because they leaned on

22:24

the athleticism. It does. It feels like

22:26

he's ahead of that style of curve.

22:28

Maybe even ahead of like Alan.

22:31

And if there is room to grow,

22:33

then you have an ultimate weapon. And

22:36

that's why in the end, it's going to

22:38

be very hard to pass him up. But

22:41

I'm still considering just the way the wind has

22:43

been blowing lately. I do think it's close to

22:45

50 50. They go either way. I,

22:49

I, right. And that's a, you know, I think we

22:51

can all feel like they could have a lean, but

22:54

nothing's going to surprise me here because again, Ben

22:56

Johnson, Ben Johnson, Ben Johnson, and then it was

22:58

it. Now there was a reason behind it, but

23:00

I'm not even convinced that Ben Johnson would be

23:03

an interview that he would have been better in

23:05

their minds than Dan Quinn. We don't know

23:07

that, but I think the other thing that's

23:09

interesting here with, with Jaden

23:11

is, you know, one of the things

23:13

I think they're going to want to see is maybe a little

23:15

bit stronger ability to drive some throws

23:17

to the outside, not on the fade balls. We've

23:19

seen them do that, but on those quick outs,

23:22

being able to drive the ball. Some of that

23:24

is a little bit of a technique in front

23:26

of males with a lower half. What he's really

23:28

good at though, is marrying the feet with the

23:30

eyes. I think that's one thing that Drake has

23:32

to work on. Um, but you

23:34

know, again, uh, to me, Bram,

23:36

some of this it's, it's interesting because there's an

23:38

analytics bent to this as well, and

23:40

the analytics crowd is going to, they're going to point to

23:43

that pressure to sack ratio, which has become

23:45

this buzzword this, uh, over the last year.

23:48

And, you know, sometimes with him, it's not as great, but

23:51

as I've talked on here, there's not

23:53

a common, there's not one theme to the

23:55

issues that he's had in that area. And

23:57

what we also don't know is like how many times they provide.

24:00

an answer for him on some of these shows. You

24:02

could say that about other quarterbacks too, I suppose. But

24:04

I do think it's funny, because I think from

24:06

an analytics standpoint, it seems

24:09

like they favor Drake May. But

24:11

pretty much every coach or a person I talk

24:13

to will say Jaden. In fact, I talked to

24:17

Mark Ross, the former GM, was

24:19

like he felt like the gap between

24:22

Caleb and Jaden was more close than

24:24

the gap between Jaden and then the

24:26

third guy. So, you know, for

24:28

whatever that's worth. And so someone else is going

24:31

to have a different take. And again, you know,

24:33

what do these guys want? And that's the hard

24:35

part to answer, because that's what we

24:37

don't know. And even when they make the

24:39

decision, Bram, like they're not going to sit there and

24:41

tell everybody. I can almost guarantee you'll be like Dan

24:44

Quinn, Peters, and then Josh Harris

24:46

will be the one to know. And then maybe

24:48

on the day of, maybe others find out.

24:50

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24:52

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24:54

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But the other part is you have, you

26:21

know, you have in the second

26:24

round two high picks. Do

26:26

you favor staying there or would

26:28

you know and if there is there a guy that you

26:30

like there or would you rather trade back into the first

26:32

round and maybe you'll get

26:35

some of these other positions in the

26:37

third? So I think they have three

26:40

significant void positions that need to be

26:42

addressed one way or the other whether

26:44

it's in the draft or outside

26:47

a quarterback or through the

26:50

second wave free agency once the draft is

26:52

done. They have to get

26:54

a left tackle like that is beyond clear.

26:57

To me it reads like there's a viable

26:59

solution here. There's a lot of tackles that

27:01

are going to go in the first to

27:03

early second round. Let's see how the board's

27:06

shaking out. If these tackles, if there's a

27:08

run on them early then you may feel

27:10

like it's necessary to get into the teens

27:12

or low 20s to get one that you

27:14

like and if earmarked that you want. If

27:17

the board goes a little differently than expected

27:19

maybe you feel like you're just going to

27:21

land on one of the two or three

27:23

guys that you really want with that second

27:25

pick overall pick in the second round and

27:27

that would just be great if it works

27:29

out that way. I do think that they

27:31

have the option and I think that they

27:33

should seriously take a look at that option

27:36

of moving back up to get a tackle

27:38

because it's so necessary and I really

27:40

don't know what they're going to do in the second

27:42

wave of free agency. I still think

27:44

they need a number one corner or at least

27:46

another starting corner. That doesn't feel like

27:48

that's happening early in the draft and

27:51

considering I think we both know that they

27:54

feel the necessity and I agree with this

27:56

that they want to get a good young

27:58

pass catching tight end. some

28:00

really good viable options for that in the

28:02

draft. They have another high second round pick

28:05

and a few third round picks. So I

28:07

wouldn't be surprised if they nab what they

28:09

think is a really starting

28:11

caliber worthy or bridge year Zach Erts

28:14

worthy tight end to become a weapon

28:16

from that position and nab that early.

28:18

But you can't do all of these

28:20

things. That's the point. You can't literally

28:22

do all of those things with the

28:24

first few picks, especially if you trade

28:26

back into a dress left tackle. So

28:29

in my mind, there's a priority here.

28:32

I think they got to address left tackle in the draft.

28:34

Like I don't see there's any way around it. And if

28:36

they just land on it early in the second round, great.

28:38

But if they trade back in, it wouldn't surprise me. I think

28:40

they're going to get a tight end because there's really

28:43

good ones to draft and they'll do so probably with

28:45

one of those high second round picks. Then the third

28:47

round picks, did they use one to get back into

28:49

the first? We'll see. And with all

28:51

of that, what happens now at corner

28:53

because that needs to be addressed too,

28:55

in my opinion. And it feels like

28:57

that's either some kind of

28:59

trade or you're

29:02

doing something in the second wave of free agency.

29:04

And there are some named corners that are still

29:06

out there. So maybe they get somebody that bridges

29:08

them for a year because I don't think they

29:10

can check all of the boxes. And that's kind

29:12

of the order that I see. I still think

29:14

receiver is something they could look at too, but

29:16

I don't think that that's a pressing

29:19

need like some of these other positions are. I

29:22

would agree with that. So there's, I got a couple

29:24

of schools of thought on that whole

29:26

thing. There's, first of all, on the podcast

29:29

that came out this morning, I talked about

29:31

these top 30 visits. And one of the

29:33

players was Roger Rosengarten, the tackle. Now he's

29:35

played mostly right tackle, but my understanding now

29:38

is some teams see him as

29:40

being able to do both. He is a good athlete.

29:42

So he'd be a guy, an interesting guy to watch.

29:44

So they're like, there's some names that we haven't seen

29:46

that would be higher up that some

29:49

team, like his range is pretty vast.

29:51

Like he could go late first, he

29:53

could go late third. So if they

29:55

like him, I could see him taking

29:57

a guy like say, okay, this break

29:59

in this. right is breaking right, maybe

30:01

just stick with just two second round picks

30:04

and get the tackle there and then

30:06

you know and then and then a

30:08

tight end and then I also think

30:10

high up for them would be an

30:12

edge rusher. Yeah, the corner

30:14

I'm with you on that. So but the other thing

30:16

to watch, Bram, and I was talking to a scout

30:18

about this, and he's like his point

30:20

was I would do what I could to

30:22

get more draft capital for next year. So

30:25

because it's the end of the COVID, the

30:27

whole COVID player, I guess. So the guys

30:29

who were able to stay in their extra

30:32

an extra year, that's all off the

30:34

tables now. So more guys are

30:36

going to be in the draft next year in part because

30:38

of that. So the draft next year is supposed to be

30:40

really, really deep. He's like, I would get as much capital

30:42

as I could for that particular draft. So I don't

30:44

know that they would do that. Maybe you maybe

30:47

you take a lower round pick and you

30:49

know, you maybe you swap something and you get another pick

30:51

for next year. I don't know if they would do that.

30:54

But it is something that it was interesting to

30:56

hear how deep it might be. But for

30:58

this one, if they

31:00

stay there, I'm okay doing that and getting either

31:02

a tight end or an edge rusher at that

31:05

second pick in the second round, just

31:07

because you know, you have a chance to really

31:10

especially man brand if they think about

31:12

this, they could come out of the

31:14

strap with a with their quarterback for

31:16

a while, their left tackle for a

31:18

while, and maybe an edge

31:20

rusher for a while. Three spots

31:22

could be taken care of for

31:25

this team for a while. And that would put him in a

31:27

really good spot with the cap and everything. Yeah,

31:29

I love the idea of getting a

31:31

really good high end tight end to

31:33

that's become something that real good offenses

31:36

have leaned on. There are

31:38

a few of them that really stand out. And I think

31:40

they're going to be available for them that they don't have

31:42

to move forward to just go get with

31:44

the second round pick. So I feel

31:46

like that that's something that Ken will and should

31:48

be addressed. It's left tackle. That's the one that

31:50

is such a glaring need to me. I don't know

31:52

how you can I don't know how you can

31:54

put a rookie quarterback out there, especially one that you're

31:57

announcing to the world is going to need some time

31:59

to develop. and you don't have proper protection

32:01

around them. So I think it's gonna

32:03

be addressed in the draft or bare minimum

32:05

in free agency. And then corner might be

32:07

hanging out there, receiver might be hanging out

32:10

there. I'm with you on edge rusher too,

32:12

but with all this draft capital, they can't

32:14

literally do everything. So that's part of

32:16

the kind of the story here too. They baseline

32:18

the roster. They have really good draft capital to

32:20

address a lot of needs, but they're not gonna

32:22

get everything they need. And it's gonna take a

32:24

year before they come around on the other side

32:27

again, where they will have a lot of cap

32:29

space again. They don't

32:31

have a lot of like major contracts that are kind

32:33

of hindering the team moving forward and they should be

32:35

able to build on this, but this is an enormous

32:37

moment for this team. Not only are they expecting to

32:39

get a franchise quarterback, six picks in the top

32:41

100, this should be a

32:43

franchise changing draft. And I think Adam Peters

32:46

and Newmark both kind of acknowledged

32:48

that, that they recognized that this is the

32:50

moment that we're gonna look back on to

32:52

see did everything really change

32:55

on the trajectory of this team becoming

32:57

an annual contender. Yeah,

33:00

and you know, the funny thing is that I talked to, I

33:02

talked to somebody in the league too, or

33:04

like, you know, they already kind of started changing

33:06

things with that free agency class. Not that it's

33:08

like this super duper class, but it's the way

33:10

they approach it and the kind of guys they

33:12

brought in, but this draft class is crucial to

33:14

setting it up. I mean, they haven't, Graham like,

33:17

they may only have eight

33:20

former players, or

33:23

a former, or either their draft pitch starting

33:25

this year, maybe at most eight. So

33:27

I think that's a problem. Like you

33:30

cannot build a sustained winner with that kind

33:32

of poor draft record. And he's talking

33:34

to, I talked to some coaches from here last year, and

33:36

they're talking about, you know,

33:39

you're talking about the poor evaluation process. And when

33:41

you listen to Adam Peters and

33:44

Newmark talk, it's

33:48

just very different. And by the way, as he says,

33:51

he thinks there's better value in the third or fourth round with

33:53

tight ends. I don't know that everybody would

33:55

agree with that. Especially like you're assuming

33:57

that they all like them the same. I

33:59

think I'm not sure that the same

34:01

depth is there with the tight end class. I don't know

34:03

if it's going to be somewhere it's a little bit more

34:06

mixed on. Well, I don't, I think for

34:08

some of the, and especially like when you look at the

34:10

guys they brought in for the top 30 visits, those are

34:12

second round guys. Stanners,

34:14

Stanners and Wiley are the two of

34:16

the guys that they brought in. Those

34:19

are probably second round guys. So it may

34:21

be what you could do to brand is

34:23

maybe trade back in the second round to

34:25

get another pick maybe for next year. And

34:28

put yourself, because maybe 40 might be too

34:30

high for a guy like Wiley or someone

34:32

like that. But if you trade

34:34

back, now maybe you get them. So maybe

34:36

to his point, I guess for Ed's point,

34:38

that could be maybe late, second

34:41

might be risking it. But early

34:44

third might be too far. So maybe they're there.

34:46

Maybe I shouldn't be just missing that too much.

34:48

But it is, I do think

34:50

that would be something good to

34:53

get. And because they

34:55

want to play a lot of 12 person, I

34:57

think they're going to want to play a lot

34:59

of 12 personnel. So they do think tight end

35:02

is a very strong chance. And

35:04

so you're right. This

35:06

could be a franchise altering draft. Yeah,

35:10

if I had to like kind of forecast it,

35:12

obviously a quarterback is being taken at number two.

35:14

I think it'll be Mayor

35:16

Daniels. I can't imagine it would be anyone other

35:18

than one of those two. Once we

35:20

get around to the second round, I

35:23

think this will depend. If

35:26

the right tackle is there for a modest jump

35:28

back into the first round, I think they're going

35:30

to do it. If they

35:32

feel like they can wait it out and get

35:34

lucky at the top of the second round, I

35:36

think they'll wait and do that and take that

35:38

tackle there with that second, second round pick. I'm

35:40

with you. I think the options are, do you

35:43

trade back a little bit and then maybe get

35:45

your tight end a little later in the second

35:47

round? Or do you just jump at it there?

35:50

And I'm with you on edge. Like

35:52

Samuel wrote, like Chop Robinson would be

35:54

a luxury pick. I agree. Like if

35:56

he's somehow available with that second, second

35:58

round pick or maybe. even that first second

36:01

round pick, I think that's a possibility

36:03

too that they would take someone like that.

36:05

The reality is like there's still are kind

36:07

of too many holes to all be addressed.

36:12

When you haven't, when you haven't won anything

36:14

in a long time, this little such thing

36:16

as a luxury pick, you get talent. And

36:19

if you think Chop Robinson is talent, you get

36:21

that mother on that plane here in a hurry,

36:23

right? Because you need blue chip talent. This isn't

36:25

about like, this isn't about this year, this is

36:28

about the next five, 10 years. And if you

36:30

think and that guy's pretty good. So if you

36:32

have a chance to get him and you like

36:34

him, and you think he's the

36:36

best on your board, you take him, I don't

36:39

care that they signed three, three edge guys in

36:41

the off season, that's that dude could be a,

36:43

if he hits can be a difference

36:45

maker. But I think it's you know,

36:48

like again, haven't

36:50

won anything in a while, get good players

36:52

start with that worry about the position, not

36:55

good players, you know, take two tackles in

36:57

this draft, I applaud that, because you're going

36:59

to want to do something on the right

37:02

side, whether it's, you know, whether it's

37:04

after the draft or after the season, you're

37:06

going to want to do something on that

37:08

right side. And so if you have that's

37:10

why I talked about in the podcast today

37:12

about there are several guys that you look

37:14

at, and as far as tackles go, who

37:16

would be projected in that fourth round range.

37:18

Now I will say, some of them,

37:20

it's funny, because some of those guys,

37:23

maybe some teams might feel like

37:27

some of those guys could play on the left side,

37:29

but I still think they're more some of those are

37:31

more developmental. So left or right side, but that's not

37:33

a guaranteed starter. So I think I

37:35

would come I would try to come out of there with two

37:37

tackles, like the way I the problem

37:39

is, we're talking about this stuff, like they kind

37:41

of need 15 picks to accomplish a lot of

37:44

this. But yeah,

37:46

I mean, but I think they have a

37:48

real chance to set their life. That's why

37:50

I say, don't worry about if you have

37:53

too much of that position, because next year

37:55

you won't. Yeah, you know,

37:57

those other one that I know. The

38:00

one that's fallen through the cracks, I think through all

38:02

of this in this planning, is corner.

38:04

And I do think it needs to be

38:06

addressed. And I do think it's screaming, like

38:08

obviously they'll probably pick one somewhere along the

38:10

way in this draft, maybe in the third

38:13

round. But I do believe that they're going

38:15

to have to land on a veteran

38:17

in the second wave of free agency to kind of

38:19

fill a hole and get somebody out there who's going

38:21

to play a lot of downs. I

38:23

agree. That's it. Because here's the other thing, Bram, that

38:27

we don't know how Emmanuel Forbes is going to look in this

38:29

defense. And if he's going to want to play a lot of

38:32

press man, I don't

38:34

know how he's going to fare in that

38:36

if it's a heavy dose, right? And how

38:39

will St. Juice fare in there? So

38:41

I think you're going to want to still, I think

38:44

you're still going to want to address

38:47

that position. And I also wanted to, like Dan

38:49

Lottie says, seems like waiting to get a tackle

38:51

in the second round might be a little bit

38:53

risky. Dan, I tend to

38:55

agree. Here's the difference though. Some

38:57

of these guys we're talking about, it's going

38:59

to be like some teams may have, let's

39:01

say, Rosengarten again, some teams may have them

39:04

as a late second round guy.

39:06

Others teams may have a high second round guy or

39:08

other teams, I have a right tackle in the third

39:11

round. Other teams may have a guy who can play

39:13

left tackle and go in there. So there may be

39:15

a guy that they really like that when

39:17

you look at the big boards of the analysts,

39:20

it's not like teams are

39:22

the same way with these guys. And when

39:24

you talk to some people, they'll often tell

39:26

you that the gap between player

39:29

eight and player 12 on a

39:31

board isn't usually that big. So

39:33

I don't know if it's as

39:35

big a risk as we might think it

39:37

is, depending on how they feel about these

39:39

players. And I think, I keep bringing up

39:42

Rosengarten because I think you would be one

39:44

to watch in that range. But I'm

39:47

going to agree, it's a little bit of a risk, except

39:49

that we don't know all that they think about

39:52

some of these players. That's the hard part to

39:54

always know in these situations. And you're kind of

39:56

going based on piecing it together, what others have

39:58

said. It's not

40:00

again teams have can have very different takes

40:03

on players. I mean that we've seen it

40:06

Yeah, hopefully our guys takes will be correct That's

40:10

what I'm hoping I

40:13

mean so Anyways,

40:16

but Brad actually fortunately

40:18

bram. It's only one more

40:20

week at this time at

40:22

this time next week They

40:26

will probably be on

40:28

the clock and this will all end next

40:30

year at this time bram We might be

40:32

talking about you know Which

40:34

linebackers should they take with the 20th

40:36

pick or 19th? Whatever it is, you

40:39

know something like that And so

40:41

it's going to be a far different conversation than

40:43

it was this offseason. I just hope and I

40:45

would say this to Somebody

40:47

asked me this a couple like a week ago

40:49

a student I'm at Alabama Quinn shoutout Quinn if

40:51

you're watching or listening We asked you

40:53

about like what would I tell the fans about like this period

40:56

right now and I thought for a minute I was like embrace

40:59

this Last year we're talking

41:01

about a sale and who's gonna

41:03

get it and all this nonsense involved with the

41:05

sale The previous two years

41:08

a lot of it was dominated by

41:10

the offseason by investigations now.

41:12

It's just about quarterback Embrace

41:15

that and and you know

41:17

take it for it is like it's a

41:19

better conversation than we've had and

41:21

I will say this if they get it right that it's gonna be it

41:23

could be a lot of fun for you guys and It's

41:26

not then maybe a lot of

41:28

ink that's going on here. There

41:31

always is brand. So there you go