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Is this Matt Justice? Yes, it is, hey man, So,

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uh, it's great to talk to you, dude. Let me just give

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you a little background. My name is John Jay, and this is our

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show, John Jay and Rich Show. My partner Rich, my partner Kyle,

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my partner Peyton. The four of us are here, and I've been

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talking about you for a long time to everybody off the air, and so

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I'm so excited to connect with you right now and talk to you man.

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So welcome to our little show. Well, thank you, good to hear

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from here. Yeah, are you on a cell phone? Are you on

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a what do you call it a speakerphone or anything like that? Or no?

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No, I've got a headset and is it not clear? It's a little muffled. How about this much better? Oh, now we can hear

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Matt Justice. Yeah. I thought you were in a son or right now?

0:42

Right now? I thought he does all bunch of videos from inside the

0:44

son. I thought you were fitzing as we speak. I could, there's

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a few behind me, but no. Okay, So let me give you

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a little a little background on how I came to find you, if you

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don't mind, and what a fan I am of yours? So my father

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died of a heart attack in two thousand and seven, and he's very he

1:02

was sixty six, and it freaked me out so ever since. And I got three little boys, so I started trying to be as healthy as I

1:07

could. And then my calcium score and my heart went up, and I

1:11

was like freaking out. And I was doing all this research and it's like,

1:15

hey, a sauna can help. So I tried to. I was

1:17

doing steams, a lot of steam rooms at the gym, you know, and then I find this place called Reset, and it's a guy that's opened

1:25

up, you know. He's got three or four locations, he's got the sauna, the cold Plunch. I've had a cold plunch since two thousand and

1:30

seven. I've been cold plunging. So I find this place and I sit

1:33

at the infrared sauna and I'm like fascinated by how it can help you with

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your heart and your cardiovascar and all these issues. So I'm doing all this

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research and one night my wife went to bed and it was nothing on TV,

1:44

and I get on YouTube and I just type in benefits of infrared sauna

1:48

and then your face pops up and I just get into this what do they

1:53

call a rabbit hole? A sauna? Rabbit hole? And Bro, I

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watched like every video I think you ever made, and it goes back years

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and years and years at least four years, right, yes, longer,

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and you got it's called certified Sauna and you go to certified sona dot com.

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I went to the website, I went to you know, I joined

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the Facebook group. And then when I got accepted the Facebook group, I

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was so happy, like I was like, I felt like, you know, I was part of a special group. Meanwhile, the whole time,

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I'm going to this reset place and I'm looking at buying a sauna, and

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I'm watching every year you put out the top ten of the best SNAs to

2:25

get, and I'm trying to figure out your story. I'm like, well,

2:28

you know, is he getting paid to do this? Is he not getting cakes? Some of them? Sometimes there's a promo code that you give,

2:34

and I'm like, is he just doing this legitimately? You know,

2:37

I'm trying to figure your story out. Then I get on that one video

2:39

you have and the guy's filming you in your house. I'm assuming at your

2:43

house and you just have a crap ton of saunas in your house, and

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I that's what I was like, I gotta interview this guy. So could

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you give us a little bit of your background. Then let's talk about how many saunas you have in your house? Sure, I mean, I don't

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know if I call it a house, but I do real estate investing, so sometimes I'll buy a property and use it as an office just because of

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residential setting works better than commercial. But how I got into san is probably

3:08

more interesting than that. I was having some personal health issues and I grew

3:14

up. My family had a landscaping and a like a plant nursery in the

3:19

family business for over eighty years. And when I was very young, I

3:22

was exposed to you've seen all those lawsuits for like round up and things like oh yeah, yeah, sure. So when I was very young, I

3:29

used to help them with you know, lawn maintenance. We used to you

3:31

know, take care of the landscaping at a Catholic school and a church and

3:36

like all these places. Well we didn't know any better. I used to

3:38

walk around with a five gallon you know backpackspray or full round up and it

3:40

would just be spilling down my back. And so, you know, I

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think a lot, a lot of times later on in life, we developed, you know, certain health issues, and they're always attributed to these things.

3:50

But in my case, I found myself, you know, in the

3:52

chair of a functional medicine doctor back in maybe twenty fifteen, and I had

3:55

some issues with some mercury in my mouth from anougam fillings. There was also

4:00

some detox pathways that were impaired, you know, in my body, so

4:03

I wasn't getting rid of toxic chemicals and different compounds like most people. And

4:08

this eventually causes issues. You know, you have brain fog, chronic fatigue,

4:13

you know, everybody just starts not working correctly. And so one of

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the healing modalities that really helped me was sauna. That's how I became super

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passionate to do this stuff. Now you're talking steam. You didn't have a

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just a regular steam sauna for this back then, or that's how you started.

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No, when I first started, So most people don't know that I'm

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a bigger skeptic than almost everyone. I didn't really believe in infrared saunas or

4:35

saunas at all, you know, when this first happened at this point in

4:40

time, in twenty fifteen, I had probably only you know, used a

4:43

sweat lodge at a like a Native men's retreat that I went to for a

4:46

weekend, or I used the steam sauna that was in the apartment building that

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I used to live in. I lived in a high rise for a while, and these people were telling me, you know, you should spend three

4:55

thousand dollars or five thousand dollars on an infrared sauna, and I'm like,

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you know, I don't know if I really believe that there's benefit or merit

5:00

to that. And so I had a really hard time. So I would go when I would rent sessions at a place, and then I tried to

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build one, and then eventually I ponied up and then got the real benefits.

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Okay, so now you I was a twenty fifteen and it helped you,

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And did it help you right away or did it help you six months

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later? It took some time. It's not an immediate thing. I immediately,

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you know, was relieved of some brain fog and some sinus issues.

5:25

But I really think that was just helping my body's natural ability to detox some

5:30

of the stuff that had been clogged up to me for a very long time. I think the real benefits came probably seven or eight months later. Okay,

5:35

so then you start, you get that, you buy your first sauna,

5:38

and then what because I want to get to how many sons you have

5:42

in your rental property early your property, because that blew my mind. Yeah.

5:46

Then I get into actual fire and red fonds, which have helped me

5:48

more than anything else that I've ever done. You know, you got to

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remember too, you're basically getting a light zone two workout without moving when you

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do these things. So the amount of circulation and cardiovask benefit to them is

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ridiculous. It's it's quite it's crazy for people not to just do three twenty

6:05

minute sessions a few times a week. You know that the what it can

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do for your body is just incredible. Yeah, have you heard that?

6:12

Lady run to Patrick, doctor Patrick. She talks about being doing the sauna

6:15

like three four times a week. The benefits sex sixty five percent reduction in

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heart disease. Oh yeah. Her research is great too, as she pulls

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research from Finish community in Europe, which is awesome. They show a forty

6:27

percent reduction all cause mortality. She does indicate you know that you may be

6:31

missing some of the high heat benefits from having an infrared sauna, since the

6:34

air temperature is not quite that high. However, I mean, if we

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can get eighty percent of those benefits in just a twenty minute session a few

6:42

times a week, I think the reality, you know, the realistic view

6:46

that people are going to eat up a wood burning sauna or use a traditional

6:48

sauna and throw you know, water on the rocks and do all this stuff

6:51

that takes two hours. It's just not practical. So I've I really believe

6:56

in the infrared and you know there's hundreds and thousands of people that have gotten

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the same benefit. It's just a wonderful, wonderful therapy. Yeah, I'm

7:02

trying to get everybody on the show. I want to do all of us in an infrared sauna and bond. I think the bonding because it's it's powerful

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in there, man, right, you see, but us awesome. So

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something I figured out I was telling these guys the other days. I get

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in my sauna and I got it hooked at the bluetooth, and I had listened to music and I started singing. I started singing the top of my

7:19

lungs because there's no one else around and man, I'm out of breath.

7:24

It's like cardio times ten. It's like running on a treadmill at level ten.

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It was crazy. Yeah, it don't get easier for you once your

7:30

body gets heat adapted that that response will lessen a little bit and you should

7:34

be able to breathe a little bit easier to crave it. I mean you're

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getting a zone two. I'm sorry, do you crave it? Now?

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Do you miss it? If you if you're traveling and you can't get in

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a infrared do you miss it? Absolutely? Yeah, when I'm traveling or

7:47

on the road, you know, if I go too long without you know,

7:49

sessions, it's I sleep better. There's all kinds of benefits. When

7:54

I was going to the hospital five days a week, you know, for

7:56

eight months, there was a noticeable reduction of blood pressure for me just and

8:00

doing sauna. Okay, it's not just some home I'm sorry, No,

8:03

no, go ahead, you said, I cut you off. You said it's just not some fun. You know, this is like documented medical equipment

8:09

with supervision over a period of months, and you can clearly see the downward

8:13

trend and you know, blood pressure readings, and this is while being on

8:16

certain medications and stuff that are known to increase blood pressure. So just doing

8:22

those two things had a noticeable effect, and it was monitored very closely.

8:26

So I mean, there's nothing that really, I mean, I can't think

8:31

of anything else that provides me with those benefits other than that. Okay,

8:33

so let me tell you what happened in my world. So I'm watching all

8:35

your videos one night, all of them, right, And I don't know

8:39

how YouTube works. I don't know whether they're an order not order. I'm just watching it and I'm trying to find what's the best sauna I want to

8:43

purchase, right, And after watching all your videos, I narrowed it down

8:46

to radiant or clear light. Those are the two sunlightened I think was was

8:52

one of them. Like my doctor was saying sunlight and sunlight, but I

8:56

because I didn't see you promote sunlight, and I was like, okay, forget sunlight, right, and then I called over the sunlighte and I was

9:01

irritated by how much more they were than everybody else. So so anyway,

9:05

I'm going through the videos. I'm watching your stuff out of order. I

9:09

don't know what to order. And I get to a point where you are

9:13

you've got the thing in your chest. You and I only want to bring

9:16

this up because you just kind of said you're in the hospital for so long, and I'm watching and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god,

9:20

Like I didn't know what you had. You had something else. It

9:22

was just because of the round up, because you had what do you call

9:26

that when you're in your chest? You have a no, what do you have, Matt? What's a port? He has a port in his chest.

9:31

And he's sitting in the sauna and he's talking and he's broadcasting a live

9:35

from the song and he say, Hey, I got the surgical port and

9:37

I'm going through this. I'm in the hospital every day. And I'm like,

9:39

man, every day he's in the hospital every day, he finds time to do the sauna. So after I get off, I finished watching the

9:46

videos, I shoot you a message and I don't hear back from you for

9:48

a few days. And also I'm going, I don't know how long ago

9:52

that these videos were posted, and I thought, maybe you passed. And

9:56

I told I saw my The next day, I tell my wife, I

9:58

go, I go, man, let me tell you what happened last night.

10:01

And I tell her I go to it's like a it's like a drama.

10:03

I tell her this whole thing about you and everything, and I go and then he's on he's he's on this machine. He was like in January

10:09

February. He was in the sauna and he was talking about this port and I go, but I shot him a message. You didn't get back to

10:13

me. I'm like, man, I go, I hope he's okay.

10:16

I just don't know, right. So cut to I'm on the I'm on

10:20

the UH on the Facebook group and I go by a couple of days and

10:22

I see you make a comment and I'm like, he's a lie. And

10:26

I call my wife and she's like, what's going on. I go,

10:30

Matt Justice is a lie. I'm so happy. I'm so happy. So

10:35

I came in here so I tell everybody about you. I actually brought you up on the radio one time, and I got all these messages from people

10:41

to going, oh my god, we bought our sauna because of Matt Justice.

10:45

So anyway, I'm so glad you're alive. Would you mind telling us

10:48

what you've been through and where you and how sauna helped you? Oh yeah,

10:52

A couple of years ago, I was diagnosed with a very very rare

10:56

form of leukemia in less than two thousand people if a year get it.

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Initially, you know, it was quite the shock. That same week I

11:05

found myself in the hospital with you know, blood clot and the long superficial

11:09

in the leg, EVT in the ankle, all these things. It was

11:11

pretty serious. Yeah, and you know, I'm an alternative therapy kind of

11:15

guy. After all the medical issues that I've been through. I basically looked

11:18

at them and I said, you know, I might fly overseas and get

11:20

a second opinion. They politely surrounded the bed and said, therapy, you

11:24

leave here. You probably got six weeks to live. So that was a

11:30

serious turn of events for me. That was a rigorous eight months, you

11:33

know ordeal, going to the hospital five days a week, alternating months,

11:37

and through that time I used, you know, all the the knowledge and

11:43

experience and the equipment obviously that I had at my disposal from doing this this

11:46

kind of work for so many years to help myself, and it drastically made

11:50

a difference in my recovery, my improvement, the success of the treatment,

11:54

everything else. So you're totally clean and safe and healthy now, yep.

12:00

All good, that's amazing. Congratulations, you're happy you ever hear that and

12:05

your but he's really shredded too. You're like, like, you know you do you work out in the sauna? I got a few extra pounds on

12:11

me right now. I went on. Uh, my grandparents were snowbirds. They lived half the year in Florida and half the year in Maine. And

12:16

I just went to Maine for four months until about a month ago, and

12:20

I've got some extra pounds. It was like zero degrees for a while.

12:24

You end up eating more than you typically do. Hey, so, how

12:28

many saunas do you own? A lot? In my office here one,

12:35

two, three, four, five, six, seven, there's eight in

12:39

here. There's probably another twelve upstairs quite a bit? Is that crazy?

12:43

And the sauna is like what I have? Do you do you like sauna

12:46

hop or do you have just a favorite? Always it's like I've got a

12:50

closet full of clothes, but I usually wear like the same five shirts.

12:52

And he's like, you have a whole house full of saunas? Do you use the same two saunas? Uh? Yeah? Usually a lot of times

12:58

all use like a Radian health one or two person Sometimes I'll jump in a

13:03

clear light if I want to. The brands I do. The Radiant is

13:09

his favorite one. But the problem with the Radiant, because I went to

13:11

go buy one. The problem with the Radiant is that it says that you

13:15

have to keep it in a room that's sixty eight to seventy degrees, and I think that's unreasonable being in Arizona. Yeah, they're trying to cover their

13:22

butt a little bit. They still work, okay. I mean, there's

13:24

not a huge difference between the Radiant and the clear Light as far as heat

13:28

performance. Good. There's some other advantages to both, depending on what you're

13:31

looking for, except for the air goes out the glass door in the clear

13:33

light. Now, I mean, it's not a huge deal unless you put

13:37

it in the cold. So you were saying last night on your broadcast about

13:43

the temperature, right, because I like you were like, hey, look,

13:46

you're like, I'm at one one hundred and forty degrees. I'm in a sweat and this is this is how, this is how it works.

13:52

It doesn't have to be two hundred and twenty degrees. But I like to

13:56

kill two birds with one stone. I like it to I like to sweat

13:58

my ass off. So I found out there's a couple of hacks with the

14:01

clear light thing where you can take your temperature up. So now I'm at

14:05

one seventy in my clear light. Yep. Do you know all the hacks?

14:09

You know all the hacks? Oh yeah, you can. When the sauna is off, you just use the controller and change the thermostat setting.

14:16

It's not really changing the amount of wattage that the sauna draws per se,

14:20

but it's definitely changing the thermostat. Well, yeah, the control. No.

14:24

I try different strokes for different folks, right, Like, some people

14:26

have health issues and they shouldn't use super high temperature and low temperature sauna gives

14:31

them the ability to get some of the benefits of heat therapy without shocking the

14:35

system too hard to where you know, they're exhausted. If money is no

14:37

object. If money is no object, what's the best SNA to get depends

14:43

on who it's for. I don't think there's any one sauna that is,

14:46

you know, the best thing for every situation. You got thirty of them,

14:52

sorry, go ahead, Well yeah, everybody. Nobody really understands why

14:56

I keep so many things. So one of the things that I do is I say, detox courses and programs for people, and a lot of times

15:03

we have to have different equipment in order to film in those so that it's appropriate for the actual end user. So we have, you know, different

15:09

types of equipment for different protocols or different needs. If you're a health center,

15:13

you know, they might have one type of device. If you're in

15:16

an apartment in Manhattan, you don't have room for a wooden sauna, you

15:18

might have to use one of those little portable zippy tints. That's all you

15:22

can do. You know, some sauna is better than no sauna. You'll

15:24

always just be sweating no matter what you can do. But as far as

15:28

the best ones, I mean, I like the clear light that you have. I like the rating health saunas. That's what I purchased for my mom,

15:33

family friends I like. I mean, there's a bunch of brands.

15:37

You can go to the Certified Sauna list. I'm constantly updating it, or

15:39

join the Facebook group and there's a ton of info. That's what I did. I did both those things. So you just give your friends and family

15:43

saunas, like as a gift for their birthday or something. No, well,

15:48

for my mom, sure I purchased it for her. I'm just telling

15:52

you, like brand selection wise, if I'm picking it out for somebody,

15:56

those are the ones that I choose. But really just it just depends on

16:00

what their needs are. There's great saunas for every budget, every need,

16:03

doesn't matter how fancy you want to watch TV and them some of them have

16:06

tablets, you know. And then there's cheap stuff. I have a course

16:08

for like fifteen dollars and teaches somebody how to build a sauna for a couple

16:11

hundred bucks. That's cool, lunny, and you're still trying to get I

16:15

watch I watched all of those videos that you put up building sona. It

16:17

was really cool. What about the sauna hat? How important is the sauna

16:21

hat? I wouldn't say that it's necessarily important, but if you're a female

16:25

and you get hair treatments or anything like that, it will definitely help protect

16:29

your hair and reduce the time that it takes for to dry out. If

16:33

you're doing regular sessions, it'll it'll make a huge difference. And then the

16:36

fins. If you look up finish the sauna history, you know, some

16:40

of the sauna research shows that the fins believe that we're using a proper sauna

16:45

hat can improve the quality of your sessions. Okay, So if someone's listening

16:48

to this right now and they're curious about saunas or whatever, just to direct

16:53

them to Certified sona dot com. Yeah, you can go to Certified saunas

16:57

dot com or go to the certified so on community on Facebook. It's a

17:00

free group. It is private. We do vet to make sure that there's

17:03

no stammers in there. So just give us a day or two to approve

17:07

you. And there's tons of great info in there. I mean there's thousands of people that you know, have questions and answers and post their results and

17:14

saunas that they choose, the protocols that they use, the health benefits that they get. It's a really great community. Yay. I'm on it every

17:18

day. I mean every day. We hear about it every day. What's

17:22

your take on because I know, like the cold therapy is like really,

17:26

I don't know, it's really a popular right now. So are you an exclusive heat therapy guy or do you do? You do both? No,

17:33

I'll do both. I don't have a plunge set up or a cold plunge

17:37

set up right this second. I plan to do a backyard renovation and have

17:41

an outdoor sauna put in with a cold plunge right next to it to do

17:44

contrast therapy. I'm just running a little bit behind on the project. What's

17:48

the time? What do you think is the minimum amount of time for one

17:51

session to get the best benefits for some for somebody in asauna? Yeah,

17:56

an infrared sanna usually about twenty minutes some people. Some people confuse that though

18:02

it's usually fifteen or twenty minutes once you start sweating. Oh okay, so

18:07

and what about how many times in a day? Well, generally we have

18:12

if you're a newcomer, like a beginner, we'd have you do every other

18:15

day or just three times a week, so you don't, you know,

18:18

tax your system if you're not heat adapted at all. I've been going twice

18:22

thirty minutes a day, two times a day thirty minutes. Yeah. Some

18:27

people in the Facebook group have alleviated all signs of depression using a two a

18:32

day protocol like that. Wow, you know, but comes down to an

18:34

individual basis. If you have any side effects, if you start to feel

18:38

tired or anything like that, obviously you would want to back off, but

18:41

you really use you know, listen to your body. Use your body as

18:45

a gauge in a metric of you know, what's right for you. Not

18:48

everybody's in the same position. Some people are super stressed out, you know,

18:51

their nervous system has a hard time switching from sympathetic to pair sympathetic,

18:55

and you know, heat stressing the system in an unearths way. That's you

19:00

know, in too large of a quantity, too fast for them can lead

19:03

to you know, fatigue and stuff like that. You always want to rehydrate

19:07

minerals in electrolyte. Replenishment is very important. Hey what are This may be

19:11

stupid, but what do you say minerals? I've been hearing a lot about

19:14

minerals. What are minerals? Like? What is that? Is that a

19:17

pill? Well, it could be a pill, it could be drops in

19:21

your water. It's just you know, our soil today doesn't have the same

19:23

mineral content as it used to. So even if you have a perfect diet

19:26

and you're eating great foods, you know, full spectrum diet, your your

19:32

mineral content that you're actually absorbing is less than it was fifty years ago.

19:36

Did you see round up. Oh sorry, go ahead. No, I'm

19:41

just happy to be alive at this point, right, I'm not interested in

19:44

suing anybody. I'm good. What was I saying? So, basically,

19:49

when you sweat a lot, you have to be conscious of are there is

19:55

there any uh? Is there an over an over loss of electrolytes minerals?

20:04

Are you sweating? Yes? Exactly, yeah, Like, is there any

20:10

particular area where your your body is not hanging on to certain minerals? And

20:14

what would those be? And do you develop any kind of like issues with

20:18

magnesium potassium, sodium imbalance? And so if you're gonna use you know,

20:23

if you're gonna do like an extensive son of protocol or son the multiple times

20:26

a day or you know, more than three or four times a week,

20:30

you want to make sure that you're rehydrating and replenishing those things they're lost through

20:33

this one. Do you what's your favorite electro like brand? Ah, there's

20:38

a ton of them. I just tried a really good one. It was

20:41

from Amazon. I like the Redmond Sea Salt one. There's no there's not

20:45

a lot of sugars in those. There's liquid IV. You can get a

20:48

lot of these fronts liquid ivas, not necessarily for the minerals, but there's

20:55

a lot of sugar liquid IV. I like, I hear a lot from

20:57

like Huberman's podcast and stuff. You know that the element te my kids do

21:02

element T. I started to use a one called pickleball. Have you heard of pickle ball? Yep, yeah, yeah, that's what I ever here.

21:07

It's pickleball here. That's not pick no, no, it's it's called

21:11

pickleball. It's a it's a berry flavor. I love it. Well,

21:15

Matt Man, thanks for taking the time to jump on the air with me.

21:17

Man, I appreciate it. You're welcome. Great to talk to you.

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Guys. I'm gonna I'm gonna post this up and send people I'm on.

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I'm on the Facebook group right now. You know what, because I

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got accepted at this point, I got invented and accepted. You can do

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a splinter cell Facebook group. Now you're do have so much experience with this

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now, No, but I want to say, if anyone's listening, like and you want to try this, Like, the place I go to is

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reset right, so they've got like four or five locations. They're also in

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Colorado, and just just try it before you go spend the money, see

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if you can handle it, because that's what I know. I was doing it twenty minutes every day and then became obsessed, like no, now I

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do it. I just love it and I look forward to doing it tonight.

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Man, Thank you Matt for jumping on the show with us. You

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welcome certified Saunas dot com. You guys certify zonus dot com. All right,

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thanks man, talk to you later hopefully. Thanks