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Welcome to the Journey of the Draft podcast presented

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by Life Brand. I'm your host Fran Duffy, and we

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have got another day of analysis

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here on the Journey of the Draft Podcast. We're gonna start

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things off with the great Greg co Sell and Pick six

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where we've got another group of players

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that we're gonna hit on a six pack of prospects with

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Greg. It's always great to catch up with Greg

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as he is neck deep in

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film study as the draft gets closer and

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closer. So we're gonna touch on a few

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players right at the top of the show with Greg. After

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that, we've got Saturday Scouting where Ben

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Fenlo and I we're gonna go through a little bit more of this

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quarterback class. I'm gonna ask Ben to play some matchmaker

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here, try and talk about some of these top quarterbacks.

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What does that mean for the Eagles picking at number

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ten. We'll get into that with Ben at the top

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of the of that segment there and Draft Buzz, and then we've

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got our mock draft round up a new mock draft

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over at the Athletic and then a question from you at

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home in our draft mailbag segment

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about a linebacker in this class.

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Now again, that is the best way. If you

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have a question to head on over to our Apple

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podcast page leave us that question, or

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you can leave us a mock draft. We broke down a mock draft

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box and we will get to it here in an upcoming

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episode that said, let's talk some prospects

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here. It's time now to catch up with Greg Cosell in

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pick six. Now

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it's time for pick six. All

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right, Well, like I said, let's get into it now with Greg co Sell

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with some Pick six. We're gonna go

1:39

defense heavy here, Greg, as I know you

1:42

are in the thick of things with them in

1:44

the midst of your film study. We are under

1:46

a month away until the NFL Draft. How does that make

1:48

you feel? I

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don't know how it makes me feel, but I can tell you

1:52

one thing. I'm not going to get to see anywhere near

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as many guys as i'd like being, you know, the

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one man scouting service as you are.

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But I'm getting there. I'm getting

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there, you know, jumping around a bit, seeing

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a lot of different guys. Well, we're gonna we're

2:05

gonna talk again defense. Have you here to

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two edge rushers, two linebackers, two corners

2:10

to start this show off? And we've done a lot of

2:12

offensive players, We've dabbled here on defense.

2:15

But let's talk with about a player that I

2:17

do think has a really good shot at going in the top

2:19

ten. And I don't know that a lot of people would

2:21

have felt that way going into last season.

2:23

I don't think that a lot of people necessarily were talking about

2:25

it as the season was coming to a close, just because this

2:27

player was on the sidelines for the National

2:30

Championship game. And that's Nolan Smith, the pass

2:32

rusher from Georgia. Greg,

2:34

you and I both I believe you studied him over

2:36

the summer and I know that you know, seeing what he

2:39

played the first half of the year this year, so you got

2:41

a chance to really see him be the guy in

2:43

that defense. What are your thoughts on Nolan

2:46

Smith and his projection to the NFL. Yeah,

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I kept going back and forth in my mind on Nolan

2:50

Smith, not in terms of whether he was a good prospect.

2:52

The guy is ridiculously

2:54

explosive. He's a great athlete for

2:57

those who weren't super familiar with him because he

2:59

was hurt. I guess he played

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six seven games this year, but obviously

3:04

was hurt down the stretch, and maybe

3:06

he saw him at the combine and saw what just a ridiculously

3:09

good athlete he is. Um. You

3:11

know, last

3:13

summer when I watched him from twenty twenty

3:16

one, I kept thinking to myself, Yeah, I wonder if

3:18

this guy would be better almost as a stacked

3:20

linebacker, you know, being like a Fred Warner

3:22

type player. And then the more I watched him

3:24

this year, in the six seven games he played, because I watched

3:26

him all, you know, I kept saying to myself,

3:28

Man, this guy is such an explosive

3:30

athlete. You know, he can rush the quarterback.

3:33

He's not I would say that he

3:36

doesn't have a refined pass rush

3:38

repertoire right now, Fran, But

3:40

I think athletes like that don't

3:42

come along very often, and I

3:45

just think that he's going to end up

3:47

being an edge player and a pass rusher,

3:49

and man, he is he's

3:51

just really, really explosive.

3:54

And that's the thing too, is that while he is

3:56

you know what would he come in He came in right around two forty

3:59

at the comb you know, just like that size.

4:02

I mean, he's powerful too, like he generates

4:05

movement on contact. I feel like that's something

4:07

that kind of gets undersold with him is people

4:09

look at the frame and they're like, oh, like speed, speed,

4:11

speed, And of course he has that speed, right, he's

4:13

the heaviest player to ever break

4:16

for four the combine. But I think when you look

4:18

at Nolan Smith, he's

4:20

got a power element to his game as well, and he's

4:22

a really good run defender. Yeah, And however,

4:25

you wanted to find power because I don't think he's powerful

4:27

in this sense of physical

4:29

strength. I think he's powerful in the sense

4:32

of velocity. And I hope that's

4:34

somewhat clear as a difference, Like I don't

4:36

think, you know, like he's not the kind of guy that's going

4:38

to lift up a car, you know what I mean. But

4:40

I think just the speed with which

4:43

he moves generates such

4:45

velocity that that creates,

4:48

you know, what we would call power, you know, because

4:50

ultimately that's what we're saying, but he's

4:53

so twitchy, he's so sudden, and

4:55

he can bend. I mean to

4:57

me, there's so much more to get to with

4:59

him as he plays in this league, and

5:01

particularly with the proliferation of five

5:04

man fronts. He's

5:06

going to play on the edge in a five

5:08

man front, and he's going to rush the quarterback

5:11

and he can drop into coverage because he's such a good

5:13

athlete, which he did a lot at Georgia by

5:15

the way, so it's not going to be new to him,

5:17

you know. I just think he's a really,

5:20

really good prospect and from everything we've

5:22

learned, a phenomenal kid. Yeah,

5:25

and I think when you talk about like the intangibles

5:28

off the field, that will certainly play to Nolan

5:30

Smith's favor. And just to kind of crystallize

5:32

what you were saying earlier about, um, you know, the different

5:35

the differences in the times of the types

5:37

of power. I think if you look at Nolan Smith on the easy

5:39

way to kind of project that moving forward to the to the NFL

5:42

is that he's not a guy that is the type of powerful

5:45

athlete that you're gonna line him up head up on a tackle.

5:47

It's like a four eye or a five technique and expect

5:49

instant pocket pushing presence. But

5:52

if he's playing with a runway as a

5:54

seven or as a wide nine,

5:57

he's got that ability once he makes contact, that

5:59

he's got that ability to create some push that way. Yeah,

6:01

and that's that you hit it right on the head. That's exactly

6:04

what I meant. You know, the runway

6:06

is a great word. That's a really good word to describe

6:08

it. When if he has a runway, that's where

6:10

the power shows up because he develops speed

6:13

and velocity. Well, let's get

6:15

into another guy that I think you share some of those

6:17

same kind of explosive traits

6:19

athletically off the edge, and that's Will

6:22

McDonald from Iowa State. You know, I think you know people are

6:24

talking about Nolan Smith in the meat of round one,

6:26

we talked potentially a top ten type of

6:28

talent. Will McDonald probably more of the back

6:30

end of round one, potentially in the meat of round

6:32

two, depending on who you talk to. Again,

6:35

this is a really traitsy player. It

6:37

should get your thoughts on. Will McDonald's from Iowa

6:39

State, and he's an interesting guy for this reason

6:41

is that you know his sack numbers went

6:43

down this year, and a lot of people might say, oh, you know, he's

6:45

really not that good. But as you well know, the

6:49

nature of the defense he played in at Iowa State,

6:52

there was a lot of three man fronts. He

6:54

didn't always line up outside offensive

6:56

tackles. He lined up at times as

6:58

a five technique of four eye and that's

7:00

not really what he is. He's close to

7:02

six four, he's about two forty, He's

7:05

got tremendous arm length. He's a

7:07

really good athlete. He's gonna end up being an

7:09

edge player in the NFL, as I think we would

7:11

probably both agree, would't you see it that way? Yeah?

7:13

I was gonna say these sound like a lot of the

7:15

things you were saying about Josh Sweat when he was coming

7:18

out of Florida State. It's very very and now

7:20

Sweat weight a little more. Yes, he was a little

7:22

bit bigger. Yea, yeah, maybe not a ton more, but a little

7:24

more for sure. And you know, Sweat

7:26

played in a four point stance at Florida's

7:29

State inside the offensive

7:31

tackle, and I remember

7:33

talking to you about him. We said that's not going to happen in

7:35

the NFL, just like it won't

7:37

happen with Will McDonald, he's another guy

7:39

that could be seen in as an edge player

7:42

in a five man front. If

7:44

he goes to a team that doesn't play five man fronts

7:47

and sees him as an edge rusher, he'd probably

7:49

begin his career as a subfront

7:51

player on the edge. But he

7:53

can bend, he's got burst, he's

7:55

got flexibility. I mean, he's

7:58

a guy that he's a loose an athlete.

8:00

He's got that length, he's got fluidity.

8:03

I mean, this guy is a really really good

8:05

pass rusher. Yeah. I think

8:07

when you look at McDonald that the traits

8:10

are gonna be really really attractive for a

8:12

lot of people when you're searching for that juice

8:14

off the edge. And I agree with you and that

8:16

he is a pure edge player.

8:18

Moving forward into the NFL, let's

8:21

move out to the second level of the defense.

8:23

We'll talk about linebackers here and we'll go to

8:25

Drew Sanders, a really interesting player in

8:27

that just a one year starter, a

8:29

one year player at the off ball position played

8:32

at Arkansas this year. But it transfer a former

8:34

five star recruited Alabama who was kind

8:36

of a backup edge rusher, backup sam

8:38

linebacker for them. Was hoping to get it a little

8:41

bit extra playing time enter the transfer portal goes

8:43

to the Razorbacks, and I believe led

8:45

the team. It was one of the leaders in the SEC in tackles

8:48

this year. What have you seen from Drew Sanders, Because

8:50

it feels like there are some that are really really high

8:52

on what his potential could be in the NFL. I would

8:54

probably fall into that category. I mean, as

8:57

you said, first time he played stack backer,

9:00

look like the first time I thought that his

9:02

ability to key and diagnose his play

9:04

recognition, I thought that was really

9:07

good and the result was he had a quick trigger.

9:09

In the run game, he showed

9:11

the ability both to take on blocks and

9:13

make plays. He showed the short

9:15

area explosiveness to slip blocks

9:18

without losing gap integrity. You

9:20

know, I love the way he played downhill. There

9:22

was no hesitation in his game. He

9:24

had great play speed in pursuit range,

9:27

made a lot of plays running down backs,

9:29

receivers, quarterbacks, and

9:31

the added dimension to his game which is going to be

9:33

fascinating how teams see him is

9:36

he has higher level pass rush ability and

9:38

he saw that numerous times, predominantly

9:41

as an edge rusher, but there are times

9:43

where he lined up on the edge and then

9:45

also stunted inside and worked against

9:48

guards, and he showed a suddenness

9:51

to a short area movement. He featured an arm

9:53

over move. I mean he could rush

9:55

the quarterback too, because that's what he started at

9:57

really at Alabama, even though we didn't get a lot of playing

9:59

time. So I really

10:01

like this getting to me he'd be an ascending

10:04

tight player, fran because this is

10:06

only his first year playing stack backer,

10:08

and it didn't look like his first year playing stack

10:10

backer to me. Like that's why

10:13

I you know, when you get into the middle of Round one and a

10:15

team I think they're picking up fourteen, The New England Patriots

10:17

would make a lot of sense, you know, for Drew Sanders,

10:19

because you know that that they've liked to utilize their linebackers

10:22

in that way, you know. And I really

10:24

I guess a lot of that will come down to what is what are

10:27

Nick Saban's opinions of Drew Sanders. What

10:29

will he say to Bill Belichick about him? Right, because

10:31

I'm sure they will have that discussion. But Sanders, I

10:34

think from a skill set standpoint, certainly

10:36

matches that. I guess the big thing that he'll have to kind

10:38

of get past for not just Bill Belichick,

10:40

for for a lot of NFL coaches, a lot of

10:42

mistackles this year. So do you chop that up

10:45

to inexperience or is that something that

10:47

will be a chronic issue for him movie And we don't

10:49

know the answer to that, you know. But one other

10:51

point about him is he's over six four,

10:53

and that's a trade. He's a big guy, um,

10:56

you know, and he tested really

10:58

well. I mean his short shuttle time

11:00

for a tall guy was really good, you

11:03

know. So to me, there's a lot

11:05

there and I think it's just

11:07

beginning, particularly since it was his first year

11:09

playing this position. All right, Well, let's

11:12

talk through one of his former teammates with the

11:14

Crimson Tide, and that's Henry Toyo. Toyo,

11:16

who was another five star recruit, goes

11:19

to Tennessee becomes a freshman starter. He

11:21

ended up starting fifty games in his career,

11:23

first two in Knoxville with the Volunteers,

11:26

the last two with the Crimson Tide in Alabama

11:28

playing for Nick Saban, has played a ton

11:30

of football, has been very productive.

11:33

What are your thoughts on Henry Toyo Toyo and how

11:35

do you project him moving forward? And he came

11:37

out of National Powered deala South high

11:39

school in California too, so he was a

11:41

big time recruit when he went to Tennessee. You

11:45

know, I kept going back and forth on

11:47

him, and I probably will. Of course Alabama, I always

11:49

end up watching a ton of their defense

11:51

because they have so many guys. So

11:54

even though I wasn't watching him every

11:56

game, you know, I probably watched him singularly

11:59

for six games, but then saw him in other

12:01

games, you know, as I'm watching the other guys.

12:04

Um. You know, I think

12:06

he's kind of a pretty smooth athlete. I

12:08

think he's pretty fluid. I think he plays under

12:10

control. I think he has a feel

12:12

for the game. He doesn't look hurried and what

12:15

he's doing, he's comfortable. You

12:17

know. I don't think he has high level traits

12:20

though he's not a big

12:22

physical guy. You know, he's under two thirty.

12:25

You know, I think he didn't play through contact

12:28

and as well as I think he needs

12:30

to as an inside stack backer, I

12:33

think I thought that for a guy that's

12:35

played a lot of football, I thought

12:37

that there were too many plays in which he didn't

12:39

see it as quickly as he needed to, and

12:41

the result was he got caught up in traffic and the

12:43

bodies and could not get to the ball. You

12:47

know, So I think that he's

12:51

probably more of a box linebacker

12:53

than a speed and range linebacker. You know. I

12:55

didn't look at him and go, wow, look at that

12:57

inside out sideline to sideline range.

12:59

I didn't strike me as that guy. He's

13:01

fluid and he's comfortable, but

13:03

I didn't think he had a ton of juice, you

13:05

know, playing that way. So I'm

13:08

not sure what he is. I think he would

13:10

have to be a base defense linebacker.

13:13

And the question is, you

13:15

know, and we look, we've seen that with in

13:17

Philly. We just saw TG Edwards have a

13:19

great year. Okay, no one would say

13:21

he's a higher, higher level athlete

13:24

for an inside backer. So is there a place

13:26

for those guys? Depending upon team and scheme,

13:29

there is? You know. Obviously

13:31

Edwards played behind a great de line, you

13:34

know, so too too to me becomes team

13:36

and scheme specific. You

13:38

know, you're the way you kind of talked

13:40

about him, and it really kind of brings to the point not just

13:42

about Henry toy Toyo, but about just

13:45

this whole process right in terms of trying to project

13:47

these guys moving forward, It's like, okay, like this

13:49

is what I think he can be. What does that skill?

13:52

What does his skills that need to be in order to be

13:54

that in the NFL? Right? And so um,

13:56

that's what I would say for all of our listeners

13:58

that you know, like to watch these players and like to try

14:00

and project and evaluate these guys, is Okay,

14:03

what is this guy going to be in the NFL? Not what

14:05

he did in college, but what is this guy going to be in the NFL?

14:08

What traits does he have in order to do that job

14:10

well? And if you if you start to have that same

14:12

question or like man that at the end of the day, like I'm not

14:14

sure what he is you know, and you could say this

14:16

again for any position. I think that's where

14:19

you know that brings into question, Okay, how do

14:21

you project how do you put evaluation on

14:23

what that guy is going to be in terms of where he's

14:25

going to get drafted when it comes to a draft

14:27

weekend in the end of April, And you know,

14:29

you just hit it right on the head. And the answer

14:32

already point to that is team

14:35

and scheme. You know, one

14:37

of the main differences as you know between

14:40

scouts and evaluators and coaches

14:43

is scouts and evaluators are very focused

14:45

on traits and measurables.

14:47

Okay, not that coaches aren't interested in that

14:49

at all, of course they are. You know you you'd

14:51

always rather have a guy with better traits

14:53

than less traits. But coaches

14:56

have schemes, and coaches

14:58

tend to coach what they know, they've coached

15:00

for years, what they're comfortable with. Coaches

15:02

don't change their schemes year to year. They

15:05

might tweak a few things, but you know,

15:07

a guy who runs a specific scheme

15:09

is not going to run an altogether different

15:11

scheme the next year. So coaches think

15:14

more in terms of scheme adaptability.

15:16

So one coach might look at a guy like Toyo

15:19

Toyo and say, hey, in

15:21

my scheme, you know what he can fit as my

15:23

stack as a stack backer. Another coach might

15:25

say, hey, in my scheme, I don't think

15:28

his traits necessarily fit. We

15:30

need someone with better traits.

15:32

You know. So you don't know the answer to that, And

15:34

I try to think about that, and I know you do when

15:37

I watch tape. Is how does a guy fit

15:39

in the league? Like you mentioned, you know, Drew Sanders

15:41

with Bill Belichick. You know, whether that's the case

15:43

or not, who knows, But you know, I think

15:46

that's why because

15:48

there's not that many transcendent players

15:51

who just have amazing traits. Because

15:53

there's very few of those guys, it

15:55

does come down to how different teams

15:58

see players in the context of

16:00

their schemes, and this year's draft

16:02

I think will be very much like that, fran

16:04

I think you might agree. I think there are players

16:06

in this draft that a team could have tenth

16:08

on their board and another team could have the same

16:10

player fortieth on their board. You

16:13

know, it's funny. I feel like a position that

16:15

best kind of encapsulate that is the cornerback

16:17

group in this class, because there are a bunch of names

16:20

being talked about in the first round and how

16:22

those guys come off the board. Who goes at

16:24

number nine versus who goes at

16:26

number thirty eight, right, I

16:29

think there's a lot of variants there in terms of trying

16:31

to predict that. And we talked about that last week with

16:33

Ben Fennel here on this episode of the podcast,

16:36

and now I want to kind of talk about that with you because we're gonna

16:38

round this out with two corners, and we're gonna talk through well.

16:41

I would say the universally like a

16:43

top one or two corner in this class for

16:45

most people. But again it's not gonna be a case for everybody.

16:48

And that's Devin Witherspoon from Illinois, who's,

16:50

you know, not the traitsiest corner. You know. We talked

16:52

about Christian Gonzalez in the past, you

16:54

and I, and he's got everything you're looking

16:56

for to play, you know, man coverage in the NFL,

16:59

all the athleticism, all the physical tools that

17:01

you are looking for. Witherspoon doesn't there necessarily

17:04

has that have that, but he's

17:06

got other things in his back pocket as well.

17:09

Well. Witherspoon is a pain in the ass in

17:11

a good way, you

17:14

know. And I think coaches will love him because he

17:16

plays with a high level competitiveness

17:18

and swagger and intensity. And

17:20

you can feel it just when you watch the tape, you

17:22

know, even though we're not watching TV versions

17:24

and we're close up, you can feel it watching

17:27

the tape. I'd be very

17:29

curious as to how, again, this could

17:31

be different with teams. Fran I'd

17:34

be curious as to whether he's seen as an

17:36

outside corner or a slot

17:38

corner, because you know, in

17:40

his three years and Illinois,

17:42

he played predominantly on the outside, but

17:45

he did play over two hundred snaps in the slot.

17:47

And he's one hundred and eighty pounds. Now

17:50

you can play outside at one hundred and you know, give

17:52

or take at one hundred and eighty pounds. You know, we

17:54

see someone like Denzel Ward at one hundred

17:56

and eighty, two hundred and eighty three, who's been a quality

17:59

outside corner. Now, he's twitchier than

18:01

Witherspoon. You know, he's more sudden

18:03

than Witherspoon, although I think Witherspoon

18:06

does have quick, sudden,

18:08

explosive feed and he's so aggressive

18:11

and decisive in how he reacts.

18:13

Um, but I think that when you watch

18:15

him and he and he didn't run, and I

18:18

don't think we have a forty time on him, not that

18:20

that's the bee and then he didn't do anything of the prote either,

18:22

so we don't have that information.

18:25

Um. You know, just watching

18:27

the tape, I thought there were times he got beat

18:29

over the top and and not and even

18:31

times when the ball wasn't thrown. You know, that's why

18:33

you have to watch the games. Um, But

18:35

I think that would be a concern of

18:37

mine. Playing on the outside, I think he gets

18:39

beat over the top a little bit too

18:41

much now in off coverage, I thought

18:44

he was phenomenal playing routes in

18:46

front of him. He had explosive plan

18:48

and drive, click and clothes whatever

18:50

term people want to use to impact

18:53

both the receiver and the throw. You

18:55

can't help loving the way this guy plays.

18:57

You just can't help loving it. I mean, the guy's in

19:00

tense competitive Um. I think

19:02

he could line up with inside outside depending

19:04

on your point of view. He's a strong,

19:06

physical run defender. I think

19:08

he'll be a quality NFL corner. I'm just in

19:11

my mind, I'm not sure whether he's an outside

19:13

guy or an inside guy. You know, it's funny

19:15

as you were kind of going through your evaluation

19:17

of him, and I was kind of thinking, like, how, like, who's who

19:19

are you describing in the NFL? Um,

19:22

And I never thought about this as a comp And I don't even

19:24

know that if it is a perfect comp. But if he

19:26

became Kenny Moore right for

19:28

the Colts, if he became Kenny Moore, like,

19:31

would that be a win at the with the fifteen

19:33

plays, you know, for he plays

19:36

outside in their base and goes into the

19:38

slot in their sub and you know,

19:40

he wasn't a high draft choice. And maybe a

19:42

lot of people don't know the name Kenny Moore who don't

19:44

follow the league closely, but Kenny Moore

19:46

has been in my view, a top five

19:49

you know, slot corner because that's where

19:51

he plays the majority of the time. You

19:54

know, given the way the league is, I think

19:57

coming out of Valdosta State a few years back,

19:59

there you got which is very similar to what

20:02

is And Kenny Moore is also a very

20:04

physical, intense competitive player.

20:06

That's a really good con friend. I'm writing

20:09

that one down. Literally as you were talking, I was like, okay,

20:11

like, who's a player that that? Greg? You know

20:13

that your your description

20:15

kind of matched up with and he used to say,

20:17

you know, I want to steal I

20:19

thought of it. Just mentioned the Journey of the Draft podcast.

20:24

Well let's let's talk through a guy where size is not

20:26

going to be a question. Uh, And that's Joey Porter

20:28

junior from Penn State. Will stay in the Big ten here and

20:31

finish it up with a Nitney lion Um. Joey

20:33

Porter Junior obviously his father, the long

20:35

time pro bowler with the Pittsburgh Steelers.

20:38

What are your thoughts on Joey Porter Junior. I

20:42

like Joey Porter Junior. He's it's

20:44

interesting watching Penn State. I felt like he had to

20:46

watch so many games, you know, and they didn't

20:48

play a lot of teams with great passing games.

20:50

And he you know, they they

20:53

they use a lot of players. He doesn't play every snap,

20:55

but a lot of guys don't play every snap for Penn State.

20:57

It's just the way they play. But you

21:00

know, the traits and the attributes are off

21:02

the charts. He's over six two. His

21:05

arm length is like that of an offensive lineman.

21:07

It's thirty four inches. That's absurdum,

21:10

So you're dealing with a guy that has higher level

21:13

athletic traits, extensive experience

21:15

playing press coverage. I think he's

21:17

at his best playing press man.

21:20

He's physical, he wants to

21:22

be physical. He'll shove you right out

21:24

of bounds. But I think he's also

21:26

smooth and fluid. He's you know, just because

21:28

he's six two and a half on one ninety

21:30

three, it's not like he's two ten or two

21:32

fifteen, you know. I

21:34

think he to me. The more

21:36

I kept watching him, I thought he'd fit the classic profile

21:39

of the boundary corner for him. I think you can

21:41

line him up on the boundary side versus

21:43

you know, the the boundary ex receivers in the NFL.

21:46

And I think that's what he can be. And

21:48

I think he's he could be really good at that.

21:50

UM. You know, to be honest, I wish on tape

21:53

and I kept watching games,

21:54

uh, probably more than I needed to. And

21:56

I kept kept watching, you know, waiting

21:58

for something to happen. The ball wasn't thrown

22:01

to him very much at all. And it's easy to

22:03

say, well, he doesn't have big production, but the

22:05

ball wasn't thrown to him. It's

22:07

funny. It's it was kind of like the the Sauce Gardner

22:09

conversation from a year ago. UM, and you

22:11

could point to the similarities there

22:13

in terms of the way that those two guys operate.

22:16

UM, refresh my memory. Did you study

22:18

him in the summer as well? Who Joey

22:21

Porter Junior? I did not, So, I let

22:23

me say, I don't think I did. Let me look at

22:25

my note. I did not, Okay, got it?

22:27

Yeah? I wanted to see if you if you felt

22:29

a lot different based off what you saw from Um,

22:31

you know a year ago, a difference.

22:34

Well, I think the big thing you know that a lot of people

22:36

will point to is the fact that number one, he's only got

22:39

one career pick like you mentioned that, than that the lack

22:41

of the production is one thing people will point to. In

22:43

then also, um, he had a bunch of penalties. I mean he had

22:45

ten penalties a year ago and he had

22:47

I think it was only three or four this past

22:49

year as a junior. Um. Now look

22:51

he I think when you're dealing with leg year corners,

22:54

taller, longer guys, especially the ones

22:56

that are highest high cut as Porter is, uh,

22:58

you're gonna have some some clunkiness

23:01

and transition, and some guys can get if you, especially if you're

23:03

an aggressive uh you know in your face, face

23:05

up corner, those guys are gonna get a little grabby

23:07

and so Porter can definitely be guilty of at a time. And

23:09

you know what, I made that point in my in my weakness

23:12

section, I said, tendency to be too handy and grabby

23:14

both early in the route and through the route and must get

23:16

that cleaned up. Some guys get it cleaned

23:18

up, no problem. Other guys it's a struggle because

23:21

that's the way they played. And in college you're allowed

23:23

to do that. Look in college, how many times with

23:25

guys who are physical press man corners,

23:27

fran do we see them, you know, twelve

23:30

yards down the field shove guys at a bounce.

23:32

And while we love the competitiveness

23:34

and the intensity and the physicality, you can't

23:37

do that in the NFL. So just

23:39

for our for our listener's sake, like, are there are is there

23:41

anybody in the league that plays that? Like, you

23:43

know, they don't really let you do that. Obvious they don't

23:46

do that. Yeah, So you know, is there

23:48

is that something that? Um, is there a player that

23:50

kind of comes to mind? We're like, oh, man, like that really hurt

23:52

this guy into in terms of his transition. Oh

23:54

man, I know that. Over the years, I have marked

23:57

the same weakness thing about other players,

23:59

And I'm you know, right now, I can't think

24:01

of it right off hand, but I know

24:03

there are players that we both

24:05

said that about. Do you have someone in mind?

24:07

No, there's no one that comes right off

24:09

the top, but I figured out, uh, you know, I

24:12

hit you up with that, But yeah, nothing but

24:15

but I mean, you know, I think Joey Porter has

24:17

phenomenal traits and that's what's going to get the draft.

24:20

I mean, how many corners. There's another one too, and

24:22

I can't remember who it is. Another corner has thirty

24:24

four and it might be Julius Branch. Brands

24:26

can't say, yeah, but uh,

24:29

you know, I can't

24:31

recall. And I'm sure there are others

24:33

you know, over the years, but none

24:35

come to mind other than brands this year that

24:37

have thirty four in charms. I mean, that's a trait, that's

24:40

a big time trade, no question. Well,

24:42

it's a it's a good group of corners. You

24:44

know. We talked about that last week here in the show. You and I

24:46

have done a handful. I'm sure we'll do a few

24:48

more before we get to talk. And there's other guys

24:50

that I'm sure you really liked that I really liked.

24:52

You know, at some point we should talk Clark Phillips

24:54

from Utah, who's another fun watch. Um,

24:57

but you know there's plenty of corners, yeah,

25:00

no question, and Phillips more in the

25:02

Witherspoon category in terms of the size. So we'll

25:04

have that conversation another day here on Pick

25:07

six on the Journey of the Draft podcast presented

25:09

by Life Brand. Greg, thanks so much. We'll talk to you next

25:11

week. Thanks man. Now

25:15

it's time for Draft buzz. All

25:19

right, well again, great stuff there from Greg as We now welcome

25:22

in Ben Fennel for some draft buzz, and Ben,

25:24

we're gonna keep the quarterback conversation

25:26

going here. I broke down the top quarterbacks in the class

25:28

with Dane Brugler earlier this week, and so the

25:31

exercise for you at the top of this segment,

25:33

we're gonna take a look at these top five quarterbacks.

25:35

So CJ. Stroud, Bryce

25:37

Young, Anthony Richardson Will Love Us, and

25:39

Hendon Hooker from Tennessee. I want you

25:42

to play matchmaker here with these five guys at

25:44

the top of this draft. I wanted you to pick one team

25:46

that you think they will end up with southa

25:48

where that you think ultimately they end up. And then

25:50

two, what team would you

25:53

want to see them end up with, whether it's you know, supporting,

25:55

supporting casts, the scheme, the coaching,

25:57

whatever it is, the entire situation. It

26:00

could be two teams per player, potentially could be the

26:02

same team. But let's talk through the first one,

26:04

let's go through us. We'll start with CJ. Stroud from

26:06

Ohio State. So CJ. Stroud I've been,

26:08

you know, kind of pounding the table for I think his fit

26:11

with Frank Reich and the Carolina Panthers

26:13

would just be flawless. And reflecting

26:15

on Frank's past few years with the Colts variety

26:18

of different quarterbacks from Carson Wentz

26:20

and Matt Ryan to Philip Rivers and then his time

26:22

with the Philadelphia Eagles with Nick Foles

26:24

and Carson Wentz as well, so you're getting

26:26

more of a pocket passing type, a

26:28

pure progression type of passer that is

26:30

also going to have a scheme that leans

26:33

on the run game, which then opens up play

26:35

action concepts and moving the pocket and

26:37

all of which I think CJ. Stroud would

26:39

absolutely excel in. I don't think he needs

26:41

to be in a shotgun air raid, point

26:44

and shoot type of system, and he's the guy can

26:46

execute from under center, turn his back

26:48

to the defense, escape trouble as

26:50

he needs to. But his accuracy, rhythm,

26:53

elimination, his placement,

26:55

his coverage ID I just think he's gonna fit

26:57

the Frank Reich want and need

27:00

of a quarterback and I think really embodies

27:02

the mix of all those guys in there. And I know there's

27:04

some pretty lofty names in the Matt Ryans

27:06

and Philip Rivers of the world and Carson

27:08

Wentz, and that's the type of guy I think you're getting

27:11

maybe a slightly higher version of all those

27:13

guys as well. And the lack

27:15

of running and scrambling

27:18

and quarterback design run, that's

27:20

the type of quarterback I think Frank Reich really covets

27:22

a guy it's gonna go and exhaust his progressions

27:25

and outlets through the pass concept

27:27

first and almost be that reluctant scrambler,

27:30

which is the type of quarterback I prefer as well.

27:32

So I think that Carolina, the CJ. Stroud

27:34

fit, it checks a lot of boxes. Friend. Yeah,

27:37

and even when you look at like Thomas Brown, you know, coming

27:39

from from the Rams, if he brings some of those elements

27:41

to that offense in terms of a lot of the play

27:43

action, pocket movement things, I mean, CJ stropped,

27:46

you know, it fits that like a glove. Just like just like

27:48

you mentioned, do you think that's ultimately where

27:50

he does end up or is that just where you would

27:52

love him to end up? A little bit of both.

27:54

I think that's going to be the best fit. I think

27:57

he's quarterback one in my opinion, and

27:59

I think it's a great

28:01

marriage as far as what they need in Carolina,

28:04

the type of quarterback I think, the scheme and the coaching

28:06

staff covets, and a high level prospect.

28:08

So I know there's some going to be some

28:11

fool's gold and smoke and mirrors up

28:13

until draft time, as there always is,

28:16

And they may not even be set on who they want

28:18

at the moment. They may know right now and it could change

28:20

in a month, and we've seen that before. But I

28:22

think, for a variety of reasons, I expect

28:24

CJ. Stroud's name to be called first when

28:27

it's all setting done. Well. With that

28:29

in mind, let's now go to Bryce Young, who

28:32

a lot of people right now feel like he could go number

28:34

two to Houston. Is that what you think ends up

28:36

happening here? If CJ's child goes one, it

28:39

has to happen. And you know, I think Houston

28:41

is obviously building from scratch

28:43

right now, and they have a lot of young parts around,

28:46

and they have a first time head coach and their

28:48

offensive coordinator, Bobby Slowik has

28:50

never called plays before. They have a lot

28:52

of mending, molding, flexible

28:55

future kind of a head and I think Bryce

28:57

Young being that CEO type that is

29:00

going to come in and pretty much say what he

29:02

wants to run, what makes him the most comfortable,

29:04

and build the playbook together with the coaching

29:07

staff, as I think this entire organization

29:10

is kind of being rebuilt from the ashes.

29:12

Ensure you have some great pillars like a Laramie

29:14

Tunsil and some great young pieces you

29:16

were able to, you know, bring out of the package last

29:18

year, like Kenyan Green and Stingley and

29:20

Jail and Petrie and x Y and Z. But

29:23

this is a young, rebuilding team that

29:25

I think is willing to ebb and flow and

29:27

adjust their playbook and design

29:30

to the talent that finds their way on

29:32

their roster. So I think a Bryce Young

29:34

type who is an outlier and you're going to have

29:36

to do some things slightly different schematically

29:39

to make him comfortable. It'd be a great fit

29:41

on a team that's kind of a blank page right

29:43

now, you know. I think it's interesting too

29:45

when you talk about Bryce Young, you know a lot of people will

29:47

talk obviously the size is the big question, right and

29:49

so it's continue to try to build up that offensive

29:51

line, try and make things as as

29:53

clear and decisive for him in the pocket

29:56

as possible. Having Laramie Tunsil

29:58

as a great start. You have tied a Howard a write

30:00

tackle, feels like he's settled in to a nice

30:02

shall let me spend a first round pick on Kenyan Green

30:05

a year ago. They traded for Shock Mason

30:07

here this offseason, so they're continue to

30:09

kind of build up that offensive line. You kind

30:11

of solved that center spot and I think you're kind

30:13

of cooking with gas there. Yeah, absolutely, and

30:16

trying to peel back some layers here, and every wants to

30:18

project forward. Well, Bobby Sloak is

30:20

their offensive coordinator. This guy's only thirty

30:22

five years old. Yes, he is son of Bob Slowik,

30:24

who has been in the NFL for decades and decades,

30:27

But Bobby Slok is on the younger

30:29

side. He's actually my age bred and eighty

30:31

seven and has only ever been with

30:33

Kyle Shanahan. So projecting

30:36

forward, I think you're going to get an offense that wants

30:38

to lean and be a foundational run scheme,

30:40

be an outside zone type of scheme, and

30:43

then work in some RPOs and throw

30:45

the ball to the backside of the backfield and

30:47

do a lot of those Kyle Shanahan type

30:49

concepts. But now this is the first

30:51

time Slok has been away from that. So

30:54

he gets then out put together the playbook how he

30:56

wants to. So you want to project forward

30:58

and kind of guess. But when you have these

31:00

young guys that have never really been the

31:02

head guy or a head coach on

31:04

the side of a ball, it's exciting

31:06

to see what they're gonna do to make him an individual.

31:09

So I don't expect this to be the entire Shanahan

31:11

playbook, but I'm excited to see what Slowbok's

31:13

gonna whip up for whatever quarterback. You

31:16

know what, It just kind of clicked for me too. Who's

31:18

the receiver they just spent a second round pick on a year

31:20

ago, a guy that caught a lot of passes from

31:22

Bryce Young and John Metchi who's coming back.

31:25

Um, it's a great connection, ye wasn't it? Limphoma

31:28

he had They caused him a mist this year. He had some

31:31

form of cancer. Um, so you know, it seemed

31:33

like all the reports were that he would be, you know, suiting

31:35

up for Houston again this year. But um, yeah,

31:37

that that's a nice little safety blanket. There some

31:40

vets too in the free agency, like the Robert Woods

31:42

types of guys. And just because you're rebuilding

31:44

doesn't mean it has to just be a youth campaign.

31:46

I think adding in some viable veteran

31:49

presence to show him how to practice, how

31:51

to show up to games, how to be a

31:53

consummate professional is part of the rebuild

31:55

as well. So I like seeing some of the mix of veterans

31:58

added as well. Yeah, they're a It

32:01

sounds like he could be ready for the offseason

32:03

program Metchi. So that'll be a

32:05

nice little connection there if Bryce Young does

32:08

end up in Houston. All right, So most

32:10

mock drafts have CJ. Stroud number one to

32:12

Carolina. Most mock drafts have Bryce Young

32:14

number two to Houston. This is where

32:16

the conversation gets interesting, and we'll start with the guy

32:18

who's having his pro day today. I

32:21

think it's concluded at this point as we're recording Thursday

32:23

afternoon, Anthony Richardson from

32:25

the Florida Gators. Where do you

32:27

think he ends up? Let me ask Let me ask you that question

32:30

first, Where do you think he ultimately ends

32:32

up when the when the dust settles at the end

32:34

of April, I think the Colts are gonna move

32:36

up from four to three and prevent

32:39

any other team from leap frogging them. And

32:41

they're gonna go and get Anthony Richardson with the third

32:43

overall pick. And I think he looked pretty

32:45

good in that Lucas Oil Dome,

32:48

and let's just keep him in there that, you know,

32:50

after he worked out Indianapolis at the combine.

32:52

Let's keep him an Indie new coach and Shane

32:55

Steak and bring over that Eagles playbook

32:57

he ran and developed Jalen Hurts. But

32:59

also like to see a little bit at Cam Newton

33:01

twenty fifteen playbook. I would like

33:03

to see a little bit of the Harball Greg

33:06

Roman with Colin Kaepernick playbook as

33:08

well. This might be fran the

33:10

most athletic gifted specimen

33:12

we've ever seen at the quarterback position,

33:15

and it might not even be close, to be perfectly honest

33:17

with you, His heightweight, speed, explosiveness

33:20

is really at a level we've never seen before.

33:22

And I'm really excited to see him go to

33:25

a potential offense like Philadelphia

33:27

ran last year, and I think that would suit him perfectly.

33:31

You know. It's funny as were saying that, and I'm

33:33

kind of like, again, it's kind of cycling through thinking

33:36

about this. Shane Steiken obviously worked

33:38

here in Philadelphia last year for the

33:40

last couple of years, and his quarterback coach, Brian

33:43

Johnson, helped recruit Anthony Richardson

33:45

to Florida, so I wonder if he's kind of tapping into

33:47

that resource as well, getting a little bit more

33:49

intel obviously more connection. Colt's

33:52

qub coach is Cam Turner, which is

33:54

nephew of Norv Turner. I

33:56

think I don't know if he's brothers with Scott

33:59

Turner, but also to Scott Turner x

34:01

y Z. He was in Carolina in twenty

34:03

fifteen with Cam Newton in that whole

34:05

program, so I'm sure he has some feelings and

34:08

flavors too about the type of quarterback

34:10

he wants. So a lot of interesting boxes

34:12

here to check. I think that was Mike Shula's offense

34:14

if I'm not mistaken, but Cam Turner

34:16

was definitely involved, all right, So then let me ask

34:18

you this now. So Anthony Richmond, you feel like that's

34:21

gonna be the movie he ends up in Indianapolis,

34:23

where would you like to see him and based

34:26

off of the supporting cast

34:28

and the scheme, the situation, because

34:30

obviously that will be big for Anthony Richardson and

34:32

his development, I think Indie would be

34:34

a great fit. I think behind that somewhat

34:37

sturdy offensive line, Ryan Kelly and

34:39

Quentin Nelson, let's figure out that left tackle

34:41

if it's going to be the central Michigan

34:44

and Bernard Raymond or not for the

34:46

future. But I think with a Jonathan Taylor

34:48

and some of the tough guy parts like they have and

34:50

Michael Pittman, and let's get some speed elements

34:52

on the outside, and let's see if Paris Campbell

34:55

can keep developing add some young guys

34:57

as well, I think Indianapolis would be a

34:59

really really good fit for Anthony Richardson,

35:01

not only just the clean slate. I love seeing

35:03

a new head coach come in with a new quarterback

35:06

in that whole marriage kind of coming off the

35:08

ground together. So I just think

35:10

there's a lot of needs and wants

35:12

that kind of fit both of these, uh, you

35:14

know, both team and player. All

35:17

right, So big question now for all of our

35:19

Eagles fans listeners, because obviously the more quarterbacks

35:21

that go in the top nine. That benefits

35:24

the Eagles right picking at number ten, They're

35:26

not going to be selecting a quarterback there, So the more

35:28

non quarterbacks that could be bumped down the board the

35:30

better. So we all figure strout

35:33

young Richardson gonna go in the top nine.

35:35

I think the big question as we sit here now at the end of

35:37

March is is Will Levis going to be part of

35:39

those first nine picks or not? Where

35:41

do you think Will Levis ends up? And

35:44

I guess the question it'll be a two part

35:46

question. What team do you think ends up with

35:48

Will Levis? And do they take that player in

35:50

the top nine? Like, if he falls let's

35:52

say it's a team outside whether it's Tennessee

35:55

or Baltimore or Washington

35:58

or Minnesota or Tampa Bay, do

36:00

they have to make a move up to get him or does

36:02

he fall into outside the top

36:04

ten to be that selection. I say

36:06

he falls outside the top ten right

36:08

now, And if I had to be a betting man at

36:10

this moment, I'll say he lands with the Tampa

36:13

Bay Buccaneers, Okay, which

36:15

is right in the middle of that first round. I think

36:17

they need somebody to go into twenty twenty

36:19

three, competing with Kyle Trask. I

36:21

don't expect this to be a competitive team

36:24

heading into twenty twenty three, So this could be the year

36:26

to take a flyer on a talented quarterback

36:29

and see what you could get through kind of a

36:31

it's gonna be a clunky season, and maybe

36:33

he doesn't have to play right away. Maybe the team slightly

36:36

you know, behind the eight ball, and he could get some really

36:38

good reps in experience without a lot

36:40

of pressure. So I think that Tampa Bay

36:42

situation is an absolute live wire

36:44

type of team. As we all know, they are transitioning

36:47

away from the Tom Brady era. That I

36:49

think they are in cap hell as well, because

36:52

they kind of mortgage their future a little bit to win

36:54

that Super Bowl. But they've admitted

36:56

it too, and I think it's worked out for him. A lot

36:58

of teams would do that exchange of kind

37:00

of you know, nuking a future year or two to

37:02

get that Super Bowl win, and they did it pretty

37:05

flawlessly. So now you're paying the price

37:07

and it might not be a competitive roster, that's

37:09

okay, But what do you do with the capitol

37:12

now is really important for the future. I

37:14

think a Will Levis add into

37:16

a team like that, Let Kyle Trast see

37:18

what he's got as well. This is what you

37:20

do in these types of seasons. It does

37:22

feel like, um, you know, as we sit

37:24

here again at this point in the calendar that

37:27

you know, a month out, it feels like Will Levis

37:29

is not going to go in the top ten. It feels like that's been a

37:31

lot of the buzz lately. Um. I know Bucky Brooks

37:34

over at NFL Media, he just put out

37:36

his latest mock draft. He had Will Levis

37:38

falling out of round one altogether. Um,

37:40

And so I think that you'll start to hear a little bit more

37:42

buzz about that being a possibility

37:45

now we know you know what, but

37:47

this is the thing we said this a year ago, right

37:49

as like, hey, you know there's questions about quarterback

37:51

ABC, but those guys are gonna go, they're gonna

37:54

go, They're gonna go. And what happened they didn't

37:56

go. A bunch of those guys fell to you

37:58

know, to day two of the draft or sometimes even day

38:00

three of the draft. So, um, you know, what

38:03

is that going to happen with with with Will Levis?

38:05

I think it's certainly possible. Could he go like

38:07

number seven or is Could a team trade up to number nine

38:09

to get him also possible? Rights

38:11

I think all the cards are on the table there. You

38:14

mentioned Tampa as the likely landing spot. Where

38:16

would you like to see him end up? You

38:19

know, I would really like to see him go somewhere

38:21

with a team that just got a quarterback

38:24

for the season. I don't think Will is

38:26

ready to play, and that's okay. You

38:28

know who also wasn't ready to play, Patrick Mahomes

38:30

and he sat for sixteen games and played the final

38:33

week and then he was the starter. I think that's

38:35

okay. You don't have to throw him right

38:37

into the fire. So even going to a

38:39

New Orleans Saints with a Derek Carr

38:42

and I know they brought back Jamis on a very small

38:44

deal, I don't think that's too consequential.

38:46

But or going to a Seattle

38:49

team, Yeah, Minnesota type of team

38:51

that's looking at the future after Kirk Cousins, Seattle

38:53

after a geno, I think sitting behind

38:55

somebody could be good for him. For him, yeah,

38:58

I think, you know, Minnesota does make a ton of sense,

39:01

you know, just because I think when you look at uh, you

39:03

know, Kirk Cousins. He's on the final year of that deal.

39:05

They've got the ability to get out of it after

39:07

this season. And then you look at the

39:09

obviously the connection there coaching wise. You know, Kevin O'Connell

39:12

worked with Liam Cohen, who got the most out of

39:14

Will Levis at Kentucky, you know, the

39:16

back in twenty twenty one, and so those guys have a

39:19

relationship trying to you know, tap into that

39:21

the best you can and you get that

39:23

extra year with him on the bench as well. He's a little

39:25

bit of an older quarterback prospect, but

39:27

I think when you look at Will Levis, that would be a good situation

39:30

for him moving forward, and really quick before you put

39:32

those top four to bed. The teams that really

39:34

scare me the Atlanta Falcons and the

39:36

Washington Commanders, as far

39:39

as I don't know what their intent or view is

39:41

for this season. And when I talk about the

39:43

Colts trading up to three from four to

39:45

make sure nobody leap frogs him, those

39:47

are the teams that I'm talking about. I know there's some

39:49

ownership change in Washington. I

39:52

know obviously the

39:55

Atlanta Falcons have Desmond Ritter and they have

39:57

someone to play their teams that could

39:59

be looking at push that throttle forward and

40:01

saying, you know what, let's make a you know,

40:03

a king's ransom for that pick and change the

40:05

culturing the team, uh instantly.

40:07

So there's some live wire teams out there that

40:09

I'm a little bit afraid of as well. Yeah,

40:12

and you know, Atlanta is a great example of a

40:14

team that has been you know, over the years since that regime

40:16

has come in with Terry Fontineau at general

40:18

manager, Arthur Smith the head coach, they've

40:20

been fairly tough to read in the draft.

40:22

You know, they were they they had the fourth pick

40:25

a couple of years ago when they took Kyle Pitts and it

40:27

was draft and people were not really sure

40:29

about which direction they were going to go. So I think

40:31

when you look at them, they are a very interesting

40:33

team. The Tennessee Titans as well, um, you

40:35

know, Daniel Jeremiah kind of floated that as

40:38

a potential trade up from from eleven

40:40

to three, uh to potentially take

40:42

an Anthony Richardson or Will Levis um. You

40:44

know in Tennessee. Remember where the Arizona

40:47

Cardinals new GM Monti Astenford come from

40:49

came from the Titans, and so there's going to be, uh,

40:51

you know, some some bridges there that are easily easy

40:53

to connect um, you know, so don't count them out

40:56

of the quarterback race. That was a good point, kind

40:59

of like you're saying, I've been flowing in the way. A

41:01

lot of people aren't paying interial lineman. We

41:03

paid Chris Lynchtrom, a lot of people aren't paying safeties,

41:05

gave Jesse Bates a huge contract.

41:07

So certainly, Atlanta Falcons, we're

41:10

going to do some things that are a little against the trends

41:12

of the league. All right, last one here, Hendon

41:14

Hooker. That's where do you think he ends

41:16

up? Does he get into Round one or is he going to be a Day

41:19

two pick. I think it's gonna be a Day two

41:21

pick. And I really like Hendon Hooker,

41:23

like I'm on the field, off the field, But

41:25

to see Mike Tannembaum project him

41:27

fifth overall in his mock draft, I don't

41:29

see anybody taking him fifth overall.

41:31

A twenty five year old quarterback off an ecl

41:34

tear from a very specific

41:36

scheme in college. Too many things

41:38

working against him for that level of capital. I think

41:40

he's a Day two type. Of pick and the team.

41:42

If I had to call my shot right now, Fran the

41:45

Arizona Cardinals, I think

41:47

go behind Kylo Murray, a team that you

41:49

know obviously Kyler got hurt last year and threw

41:51

in a bunch of quarterbacks to survive

41:53

the season, from Colt McCoy to signing

41:56

a David Blough, I think that week and playing

41:58

him, they can use some more purity behind

42:00

Kyler Murray. And I think you know, Kyler

42:03

is going to want to execute that similar

42:05

type of spread offense

42:08

that Cliff had for him. I know it's a new regime

42:10

in there and there's going to be some things differently, but

42:12

I think Hendon could fit what Kyler

42:14

does. I know we all see Kyler as that mobile,

42:17

spark pug quarterback, but the structure

42:19

of the offense, I think we'll fit Hendon Hooker

42:21

and he's a guy that is mobile, can escape,

42:24

can execute some design runs. Obviously

42:27

not the level level of Kyler Murray, we know how

42:29

special he is, but I think an Arizona

42:31

fit could suit Hendon Hooker. Well, interesting

42:33

guy, So that's where you think he could end up. Is

42:36

there a situation where you look at Hooker and You're like, all right,

42:38

with his skill set, the offense, he comes from,

42:40

what he needs moving forward to best

42:43

get the most out of hooker. Where

42:45

would you love to see him go? That's a really

42:47

good question. Again, I think just sitting

42:49

somewhere behind an incumbent starter. So

42:51

those same kind of fits for Levis New

42:53

Orleans, behind Derek Carr, Seattle, behind

42:56

Geno. You know, if the Vikings want

42:58

to go up and take him, and you know,

43:00

take a flyer on a talented kid to see if you

43:02

have a future behind a Kirk Cousins type of guy

43:04

who's behind Jared Goff in Detroit. I

43:06

could see a team like the Lions in particular,

43:09

really being a landing spot for a hendon

43:11

hooker that's comfortable with the twenty twenty three

43:13

starter in Jared Goff, but

43:15

just taking that flyer on a great

43:17

backup for the season and then let's see if we

43:19

have some future talent down the road.

43:22

I think teams like the Detroit Lions with incumbent

43:24

starters are going to consider him in rounds

43:26

two and three. Yeah, it's it's

43:29

gonna be fascinating, man. And the possibility

43:32

definitely exists where all five of these guys going

43:34

round one, there's a possibility that only three

43:36

go. There's possibly a four go in the

43:38

top ten. As always, it's going to be

43:40

fun to kind of track that and some huge

43:42

Eagles implications as well with how many

43:45

of them go in those first nine picks. So

43:47

let's put that quarterback conversation a bed, and before

43:49

we get into our mock draft for the week. I will

43:51

always, I always kind of ask you as you are preparing

43:54

diligently for draft weekend with your work

43:56

with NFL media, the most fun tape

43:59

you've started this week? And why is it another Northwestern

44:01

player running out

44:03

of wildcat to talk about? But it's gotta

44:06

be at a bar a you know. Now

44:08

we're gonna go a couple of guys I was watching yesterday.

44:11

I watched Tamaro Douglas out of Liberty, very

44:13

easy stamp on his evaluation

44:16

Day three version is a flowers same

44:18

height, weight, speed, usage in the offense,

44:21

double moves, vertical gear. Yet

44:23

they want to put the ball in his hands as well. They

44:25

put him in the backfield. I think he scored a seventy yard touchdown

44:27

against Yukon on outside zone

44:29

play. So he's a guy that can do a lot

44:31

of things at all three levels. Just in that diminutive

44:34

size. Tested very similar to Zay

44:36

Flowers as well, literally clones as far

44:38

as height, weight, speed. Just a Day three

44:40

version of him and that's okay. And then two

44:43

NC State Wolfpack guys I've been watching

44:45

that are rising up boards after their pro days.

44:48

Isaiah Moore. I love this kid, Fran

44:50

six two two forty. Let's just go back

44:52

to a former Wolfpack linebacker, and Jermaine

44:55

Pratt looks a lot like them.

44:57

Has the body armor to survive. I need linebackers

44:59

that have some boy armor. You got to be able to take

45:01

a bruising against these NFL running backs.

45:04

This kid's got some size, he's got some speed.

45:06

Five years starter, three thousand snaps,

45:08

played excellent run stuffer, great

45:11

quick trigger, captain of the team. Probably

45:13

would have come out last year, but he got hurt halfway through the

45:15

season, so I don't feel like he was his best self

45:17

heading into the draft process. So he went back

45:20

for a sixth year who's a

45:22

fifth year player, red shirt early on,

45:24

so he's slightly older, but he's gonna be ready

45:26

to play in the NFL. Great third round

45:28

type of player, right now in a down linebacker

45:30

class and Chandler Zavala right

45:32

now, I'm watching him twenty twenty one as he worked

45:34

with Ikey Aquano, top ten pick to

45:37

the Panthers. He was left guardy Aquano

45:39

is left tackle, frand they mowed

45:41

through defenders. They gave Bam

45:43

Knights so many beautiful lanes the run

45:45

through. Those guys carved up defensive

45:47

backs on the second and third level. Absolute

45:50

Mallor Zavala excellent zone

45:52

guard and another down class

45:54

and interior offensive lineman. Some people

45:56

like Zavala as a top fifty player despite

45:59

not getting a combine invite. So NC

46:01

State Wolfpack. They have reputation of putting

46:03

very strong players into the NFL, very

46:06

NFL ready bodies. These are two guys

46:08

that look like they're ready to play on Sundays. I

46:11

love that Zavala as a guy that I

46:13

actually have not studied yet, and I'm excited. I think next

46:15

week I'm gonna be doing my final dive into some of

46:17

these offensive linemen and he will be a tape I

46:20

will definitely be watching. Tomario Douglas

46:22

is a guy that I just actually watched

46:24

this week and I really liked his tape

46:26

I think he's an NFL player all day.

46:29

I think you get into the role discussion certainly,

46:31

and like what is the ultimate impact? But I think

46:33

he's gonna play in the league. He's a really

46:35

fun player and really quick friend. I don't know why I

46:37

had a slight stigma like Liberty. All Right, I'm

46:39

gonna watch some schools I might not covet

46:42

very highly. Now Liberty plays some

46:44

dogs. They played by U Arkansas Wake

46:46

Forest. There's tons of Division

46:48

one Power five schools on their schedule,

46:51

so I think Liberty is in the group of five.

46:54

I know they made some moves I think with their

46:56

program over the last five ten years, but

46:58

they play some legit competition and

47:00

Mario Douglas seemed to show up every week really

47:02

good player. And we will be doing

47:04

you and I usually do this every year.

47:07

Well we'll do like an episode. I guess

47:09

we only have a couple of weeks left to do it. But all right,

47:11

if you if you miss on this guy in round one,

47:13

you can get this version in day three. So

47:16

maybe to earmark the zay flowers

47:18

to Mario Douglas. Well, actually, no shelve that one. You're

47:20

not allowed to use it for when we have that discussion

47:24

that one. And by the way, liberty is independent.

47:26

I just looked it up real fast. Didn't realize that's why they

47:28

can schedule the gauntlet that they want

47:30

to schedule. But they don't just have a bunch of

47:32

you know, Mary's and cupcakes on there. They have some really tough

47:34

games. And he showed up every week, really

47:36

fun tape. Yeah, it's a it's always

47:38

a good, good schedu We talked about that last year with Malik

47:41

Willis is like, yeah, there you can find them against good

47:43

opponents, and certainly that's the case with

47:45

Douglas, who was productive. Again. I also

47:47

when you study a quarterback brand and then the next year

47:49

you study the guy that was on the receiving end of a

47:51

lot of those passes. All right, so now it's suddenly

47:54

like, oh, that's why that guy was so wide open.

47:56

Okay, yeah, right, exact exactly,

47:58

right. Um, all right, let's get to our mock draft.

48:01

A lot of options this week. Um. You know, Jordan

48:03

Reid dropped a seven rounder over at ESPN

48:06

M But I wanted to do this one. This is a fun one here from

48:08

the Athletic uh Nate Tye and Deante

48:10

Lee they did a tag team and did a

48:12

mock draft together. One guy did the evens,

48:15

one guy did the odds, and we'll just dive

48:17

into this mock draft. It's a it's a fun one here from two

48:19

very well respected analysts over with the

48:21

Athletic the top five here, Carolina

48:24

going quarterback CJ. Stroud at number

48:26

two. The Houston Texas select Anthony

48:29

Richardson, the quarterback from Florida, so not Bryce

48:31

Young. The Arizona Cardinal select pass rusher

48:33

Will Anderson. Bryce Young ends up in

48:35

Indianapolis with the Colts at number

48:37

four and the Seattle Seahawks at number

48:39

five with Jalen Carter, the defensive

48:42

tackle from Georgia. Ben.

48:44

I mean, that's the thing is that, like Anthony

48:46

Richardson is definitely a wild card. Like you

48:49

know, we all expect that it's gonna be

48:51

strouting Young one and two, but you know

48:53

it would not shock me if he somehow cracked that.

48:55

I think you just need to have that conversation

48:58

with yourself and collectively of we

49:00

are talking about one of the more gifted physical

49:03

athletic specimens we have ever studied

49:05

and projected at the quarterback position. We

49:07

don't say that every class. We just left

49:10

a class where we're talking about Kenny Pickett,

49:12

you know, in a middle first round. Guy wasn't a great

49:14

quarterback class this year. It's

49:17

very exciting. And this is the types of conversations

49:19

and lack of consensus that

49:22

raise these mocks and these types of boggle mock

49:24

drafts that shake up prospects and they have different

49:26

landing spots. But I just like the narrative

49:28

right after Richardson that you're gonna see all over

49:30

the timelines Bryce Young falling,

49:32

Bryce Young skidding, and he's probably gonna go two

49:35

picks later, but it's gonna be an absolute

49:37

sky is falling. If he doesn't go one or two,

49:39

it's gonna be nothing but narratives of Bryce

49:41

Young is following. Where is he gonna go? How far does

49:43

the fall last? How long will it last?

49:46

Someone's gonna ground pretty quick. So I

49:49

like the projections here. And if Anthony

49:51

Richardson did go to Fran, not

49:53

gonna get a whole lot of surprise for me, to be honest with

49:55

you. Yeah, that kind that Bryce Young conversation

49:57

would last all about like eight minutes, because

50:00

I don't think it would take too long for a team to

50:02

make that move. Let's go down to the

50:04

Eagles pick at number ten and the pick here from

50:06

Nate and from Deonta, and Deontay was one who made

50:08

the pick is Peter Scarronsky, the offensive

50:10

lineman from Northwestern. Here's the blurb from

50:12

Deontay. When it looked like Philadelphia would lose

50:14

at least one of James Bradbury or Darius

50:16

Slay, the assumption was that the Eagles would go after

50:19

a young quarterback with the tenth pick. With

50:21

both players returning, and they can address other spots

50:23

here. With two star receivers, a pair of

50:25

corners, and their quarterbacks set to get

50:27

a large extension, the Eagles best move here

50:30

is to address the trenches in steps Scarronsky,

50:33

who has the best tape of any lineman in this class

50:35

and the versatility to play almost anywhere along

50:37

the line. Scarronsky has light

50:39

feet, a high football IQ, and enough

50:41

anchor and play strength to move defenders,

50:43

even though power is not his calling card. Scarronsky

50:46

can fill a similar role to the one Cam Jurgen's field

50:48

last season, spots starting in case of injuries,

50:51

or he can win a starting job outright

50:53

at guard before eventually moving back to

50:55

tackle whenever Lane Johnson hangs

50:57

up his cleats. And that's from Deonta U.

51:00

Ben Skorronski is slowly becoming the go

51:02

to pick from mock drafters. And if you follow like,

51:05

uh, you know basically the sharp mock drafts,

51:07

right, you look at like the lead analysts, you know they're

51:09

from the highest publications.

51:11

You look at the athletic you look at the ESPN NFL network.

51:13

Um, Skarnsky is slowly becoming

51:15

kind of like the the sheet pick for

51:18

the Eagles over the last like two three weeks.

51:20

Um, I think where he's a guy, we're gonna be talking about a

51:22

lot here as we lead up to draft deck. Yeah,

51:25

I think it's gonna be a good addition of most offensive

51:27

line rooms, whether you want him inside or outside.

51:29

But keep looking into the future, and I think the Eagles

51:32

have always done that, And I think back to picks

51:34

like Isaac Sayamalu. So

51:36

you didn't particularly have a spot for him as a rookie,

51:39

but a guy can play a multitude of positions,

51:41

versatile presence, and eventually it's

51:44

going to be an incumbent starter for years and years.

51:46

So having some long term projections

51:48

and a long term view on some of these

51:50

players is important despite

51:52

your want to be competitive right now. So

51:55

look down the road from Elaine Johnson in two

51:57

years or three years, or who's gonna be

51:59

the future Jason Kelsey and how you're gonna

52:01

shuffle that offensive line. I think Scarnsky's

52:04

gonna be a great pick here, whether he's a spot

52:06

to start in twenty twenty three or not. I know, the

52:08

tenth overall pick maybe you know suggests

52:11

as some fans, well why not get someone

52:13

to contribute right now that we can use the

52:16

near and far conversation is a philosophical

52:19

one, and it's okay to look down the road. And one

52:21

thing I want to propose you how much different

52:24

is Scarnsky from a Jack

52:26

Driscoll type. Yeah, he's definitely

52:28

that kind of like kind of skill

52:30

set right in terms of like, all right, you can play a tackle

52:32

guard. He's not the most powerful, but he's just

52:35

like a really technically sound player. I

52:37

think when you look at the way that Scarronsky

52:39

wins, I mean, he obviously has been a better He was

52:41

a better college player than what Driscoll was. But I think

52:44

if you're talking like type It's kind of like the to

52:46

Mario Douglas day flowers, like, Okay, if you miss

52:48

on this guy in round one, like this is your round day or

52:50

your day three version. I think that's you could

52:52

make that comparison between those players.

52:55

Yeah, I think that's really fair. You know, it's a slightly

52:57

shorter profile, but a guy you can trust to

52:59

fill in at any time, as Driscoll has had

53:01

had to at guard and tackle and his look serviceable

53:04

doing it. I know fans may then say, well, you're

53:06

talking about Driscoll, you're talking about Samalo.

53:08

These are middle round types of picks.

53:11

How would you feel about taking that guy at the tenth

53:13

Overall those Scarronski's a higher level

53:15

version of those guys. And this is where in the draft

53:18

you find and take those players. Got

53:20

news for you, Prospects of his level

53:22

and his caliber aren't around in the

53:24

second and third. So if you need

53:27

one and you covered that spot, you better go get it while

53:29

it's there. Let's go to

53:31

the guys that are going off the board in this area too. So

53:34

the three that went off the board just before the Las

53:36

Vegas Raiders, well they select quarterback Will

53:38

Levis. So the all the quarterbacks go in

53:40

the top seven in this mock. From those

53:42

guys number eight, the Atlanta Falcon select

53:44

Tyree Wilson, the pass rusher from Texas

53:47

Tech, at number nine. The Chicago Bears, like

53:49

Ohio State tackle Paris

53:51

Johnson. Then the Eagles take the tackle Peter

53:53

Scronsky, and then you get this

53:55

run of tackles was just insane here, Ben, So

53:57

you had Paris Johnson to nine, Scarnsky

54:00

at ten, and then the Tennessee Titans they take

54:02

Darnel right at eleven. The Texans take

54:04

ROGERI. Jones, the left tackle from Georgia, they

54:06

take him at number twelve, and then the Jets

54:08

they take a tackle. They take Oklahoma's

54:10

Anton Harrison. So four tackles off

54:12

the board right in a row, just

54:15

from this group of six players. Your biggest surprise

54:17

from that group, he's got to be Anton Harrison,

54:20

as he's that's the highest we've seen him. But

54:22

I absolutely think this is going to happen. Fran

54:25

jolt all those guys up because there's

54:27

a need for tackles in the NFL, and there

54:29

is a major drop off in my opinion

54:32

after the first six or seven as

54:34

far as finding guys that are starting caliber

54:36

day one. I think there's a bit of a

54:39

tear drop off with some of those next waves,

54:41

So I think these guys are really gonna get bumped

54:43

up. This is the highest we've seen them bumped up.

54:45

We've seen the Darnells and the Antons go

54:47

at the end of round one, when it's all said and

54:49

done, I expect them to go throughout the middle

54:52

of round one. This is slightly higher than

54:54

I thought. But in Anton Harrison two

54:56

years starter a tackle with white feet and it's

54:58

twenty one years old. This is where these

55:00

types of prospects go because there isn't a guy

55:02

in the second round that's like that. So if you need

55:04

one, you better go get it. So let

55:07

me ask you this question. Okay, because we talked about this last week.

55:09

I forget which mock draft we did a week ago, but they

55:11

had there was like a run on corners started

55:14

at like eight right and it was like two or two or three

55:16

corners that went in a cluster. I think

55:18

there are three positions where you look at like this

55:20

seven, eight, nine turn and say like, okay,

55:22

this is where a run on a position is going to start.

55:25

And it feels like it's either going to be pass rushers,

55:27

tackles or corners. Which

55:30

one do you think is most likely? Here's the tackles.

55:32

Last week it was the corners. And there are certainly

55:34

simulations where it's pass rushers right where

55:36

it's Tyree Wilson and Nolan Smith and

55:38

Lucas van Ness and Miles Murphy and those guys start

55:41

piling off the board, right. So of those

55:43

three, what do you think is most likely? Or

55:45

maybe there's another one that kind of pops in mind if you think,

55:48

because honestly I think, I truly believe

55:51

the conversation is edges, tackles,

55:54

corners, receivers, And then you have

55:56

to weigh the positional depth deep

55:58

corner group, deep group,

56:00

deep edge group. What did I just talk

56:02

about with tackles, major drop off. That's

56:05

why these guys are going to go in the middle of the first

56:07

round. When you're doing that comparative analysis

56:10

on should we take a Joey Porter Junior

56:12

here? Should we take a Quinton Johnston here? I

56:14

can find you a round two version of those

56:17

guys that is somewhat comparable. I

56:19

don't think I could find you a round two version

56:21

of Darnell Wright or Broderick Jones or

56:23

Anton Harrison. And when you're comparing

56:25

those guys, two a Jackson

56:27

Smith or is a Flowers type. I

56:30

can find types of guys, like types of

56:32

receivers like that on day two. In my opinion,

56:35

same thing with some of the edges. This is fight. You're

56:37

gonna be looking at the van Nessa's and then Nolan Smith

56:39

and Miles Murphy's and Will McDonald's

56:41

and Derek Hall and Ojelari's and I'm

56:43

just listening and listening and listening and listening. Well, all those

56:45

guys aren't going around one. It's gonna be some good

56:47

edges to going round two as well. So you

56:49

need to weigh the positional depth when

56:51

you're kind of seeing and projecting

56:54

forward these guys in the middle of the first round. Yeah,

56:56

it's like, Okay, would you rather have like Devin

56:58

Witherspoon at in

57:01

the first round with um, you

57:03

know, uh Isaiah Fosky at

57:05

the beginning of round two, or would you rather have uh

57:07

Lucas van ness and Garrett Williams.

57:10

Right, you started like having those kind of conversations,

57:12

and I think, um, those are the ones that everybody are

57:14

in the NFL is gonna be having it at that spot.

57:16

It's like, all right, Like if those are positions that we

57:18

were targeting, you're having those kind of conversations,

57:21

and when you have that kind of drop off, that's

57:23

what can lead to some of these runs. Um, let's

57:25

go to uh for me, actually, Roderick Jones,

57:28

that would be the most surprising for me going twelve

57:30

to Houston especially. I mean we talked about the tackle

57:32

depth that that Houston does have. Um, you've

57:34

got tight as Howard. He was played some guard and you say,

57:36

okay, maybe we slide him back inside. It

57:38

does feel like he's kind of settled in it right tackle.

57:41

They just made Tonsil obviously the highest paid left tackle.

57:45

Yeah, I think I think he was a spot

57:48

guy at times, But no, I don't. I don't

57:50

think so. So I think it's you're you're kicking him inside.

57:52

If that's the case, correct, he might

57:54

have had some spot snaps there, right,

57:57

I'd have to go look, um, but I think yeah, that

57:59

that to me was the biggest surprisal that group.

58:01

Um, all right, let's go to the Eagles next pick here number

58:03

thirty at all at

58:05

right tackle, but total

58:07

snaps twenty five snaps Okay, so not

58:10

a ton there, but again you're projecting

58:12

a little bit because then you're gonna move Howard. Um, so

58:14

you're gonna try and make that work. Um, all right, So the

58:16

pick for the Eagles here at number thirty, Brian Brezie,

58:19

the defensive tackle from Clemson.

58:21

Here's the blur from Deontay Lee. The Eagles

58:23

address a loss of defensive depth with Brezie,

58:25

and he and Jordan Davis positioned themselves as

58:27

the next generation replacements for Javon Hargrave

58:30

and Fletcher Cox. Objectively, Brezie

58:32

underperformed given his status as a top high

58:34

school recruit and starter since his freshman

58:36

year, but his injuries and the death of his sister

58:39

bought some fits and starts

58:41

to his college career. At his

58:43

best, Brezie is explosive and strong, and

58:45

Philadelphia can use him without meeting him to

58:47

be an every down contributor right out of

58:49

the gate. And then again that's the blur from Deontay

58:52

Um. Ben, You and I have been on the Brezie bandwagon

58:54

going back to the summer through the fall.

58:57

We've been high on him and like in the top fifteen,

58:59

top twelve, and I repeatedly were like, yeah, we

59:01

feel like he's that kind of player. It does

59:03

seem less and less likely that he's going to go that high,

59:05

just because of some of the circumstances surrounding this past

59:08

year. You know with him that Deontay kind of referenced

59:10

there but a greatlantic spot

59:12

there for Brezie at number thirty. Yeah, and I

59:14

think he's getting kind of caught in the weeds with some other

59:16

guys, like the Klidja Kanzi conversation

59:19

is obviously be lit on fire the last two

59:21

months, and he's being consistently projected

59:24

in the first round, and you know that's going to come at

59:26

the expense of some other Trench guys, and

59:28

that seems like it's been a Brezie. It's been a little

59:30

Miles Murphy and some other guys falling.

59:32

But I like Brezie's versatility. I

59:34

think he'd be a great fit here as the Eagles have some

59:36

holes to plug with the loss of a Javon

59:39

Hargrave and trying to get younger. And

59:41

I'll cross that defensive front. I really

59:44

like Brian Brezie and I didn't care

59:46

how he tests it. I don't think he's an exceptional

59:48

athlete, but you know who's not an exceptional athlete

59:51

Jeffrey Simmons. You know, this is a guy that wins

59:53

with heavy hand shock, gets across

59:55

the line of scrimmage with the first step, and just beat

59:57

you up across the line of scrimmage.

1:00:00

I think that's gonna be brazy. And I know he came

1:00:02

on the scene as a true freshman and annihilated

1:00:05

some NFL level Ohio State offensive

1:00:07

lineman in the playoff game. He

1:00:09

went through some life stuff for the past few years, as you

1:00:11

had mentioned, the injury, the family stuff. So

1:00:14

I hope his best days are ahead of him. And I

1:00:16

still remember those true freshman snaps and I

1:00:18

think he could do it, you know, coming on Sundays.

1:00:21

Well, here are the guys that went off the board in that area.

1:00:24

The Dallas Cowboys at twenty six, they select

1:00:26

Utah tight end Dalton Kincaide. Twenty

1:00:28

seven the Buffalo Bills. They select offensive

1:00:30

guard o Cyrus Tarrens from the University of Florida.

1:00:33

At twenty eight, the Cincinnati Bengals, they

1:00:35

pushed the Bijan Robinson button. They take the talented

1:00:37

running back from Texas. At twenty nine,

1:00:39

the New Orleans Saints. They go defensive tackle. They

1:00:41

select Kalijah Kancy from Pitt and

1:00:44

the runtal d tackles here at too close out Round one

1:00:47

the Kansas City Chiefs. They select Michigan's

1:00:49

Mazzi Smith, the defensive tackle

1:00:51

from the Michigan Wolverine. So, Ben,

1:00:53

of those six picks, which one do you think is

1:00:55

most likely what's the best fit for in your

1:00:57

mind? Of those six picks, I think o Cyrus torn

1:01:00

going to the Bills. I love them going to

1:01:02

the offensive line well and trying to keep Josh

1:01:04

Allen up right. Maybe continue to

1:01:07

you know, want to run the ball a little bit more and

1:01:09

take some pressure off of Josh Allen. But this

1:01:11

is a twenty twenty two Bills team that survived, I

1:01:13

think with Ryan Bates at right guard most of the

1:01:15

season, So I think they want to get bigger, a little

1:01:17

bit firmer, a little tougher there. And I think

1:01:19

Osirius Torrence to a playoff contending

1:01:22

team with a franchise quarterback. Don't

1:01:24

forget to keep that guy upright. He's not just going

1:01:26

to be superheroes shredding off d Lineman his

1:01:28

entire career. So you want to make sure you have some

1:01:30

big uglies in front of him. I think Osirius

1:01:32

Torrance would be a really nice fit on the Buffalo Bills.

1:01:35

Yeah to me, Klasha. Cancy with

1:01:37

the Saints, I think makes a lot of sense. You look at you know,

1:01:39

obviously they've they've been big with kind of kicking

1:01:41

defensive ends inside, but to that

1:01:44

point they're okay with kind of smaller guys on the

1:01:46

interior. Right when they get into those passing downs. I

1:01:48

think Cancy does make some sense there

1:01:50

they lose David Onyamata. I think Cancy

1:01:52

has a similar kind of body type to

1:01:54

Onya Mata and can kind of replace

1:01:57

that role one from one, certainly within that

1:01:59

defensive struck. Sure. Last

1:02:01

question here, your favorite player team

1:02:03

fit in this mock draft. I'd

1:02:05

be Jackson Smith and Jigbu to the Giants

1:02:08

at twenty five, not only for a value

1:02:10

pick because I think he's the number one receiver

1:02:12

in this class, and get him at the twenty fifth overall

1:02:14

pick is really exciting, but just giving

1:02:16

Daniel Jones a great separator

1:02:19

and a great security blanket over the

1:02:21

middle of the field, We're gonna get Wandale back and healthy,

1:02:23

a little more electric, a little bit more gadgetty

1:02:25

with stuff but we need a guy

1:02:28

we can trust on third down to separate against

1:02:30

man coverage and give the quarterback confidence

1:02:32

he's going to be there. So I love the fit, I

1:02:34

love the need, I love the value checking

1:02:36

a lot of boxes, and I think that's what the Giants are gonna

1:02:38

be aiming for at the end of round one. For

1:02:42

me, I'm gonna go with Joey Porter Junior,

1:02:44

the corner from Penn State going to the Detroit Lions,

1:02:46

a number eighteen. We talked about Joey Porter Jr.

1:02:49

Earlier with Greig and we talked about, you know, the pluses

1:02:51

and minuses, what he does well, and certainly

1:02:54

you get him up on the line of scrimmage makes a

1:02:56

lot of sense. And just so happens that

1:02:58

the Tennessee Titans are the the Detroit Lions

1:03:00

rather a ton of press coverage last year

1:03:03

out in Detroit. Aaron Glenn likes those corners

1:03:05

could be really, really aggressive. Um, you

1:03:07

look at that coaching staff, Okay, and uh

1:03:10

there's some there's some nice ties there. The

1:03:12

wide receiver coach Antoine Randall

1:03:14

l He was a teammate of Joe

1:03:16

of Joey Porter Jr. Of Joey Porter senior rather

1:03:19

with the Steelers. And that's a coaching staff that has

1:03:21

like littered with NFL alumni, right, and so

1:03:23

I feel like getting a legacy

1:03:25

player certainly kind of fits the identity

1:03:27

of that defense. Um. You know, I think when

1:03:29

you look at Joey Porter junior too, the other big

1:03:32

one. They just hired a new defensive line coach,

1:03:34

John Scott. Any ideas where

1:03:36

he coached last year? Ben no

1:03:38

clue. He coached at Penn State,

1:03:41

And so when you look at you got

1:03:43

a little coach high in and I guess one other

1:03:45

chip to the equation there is the Lions being very

1:03:47

aggressive this offseason a revamp the secondary,

1:03:50

or he spent some money on a Maynel Mosley, Cam

1:03:52

Sutt and CJ. Gardner Johnson. There

1:03:54

is a huge bullseye on Jeffakuda

1:03:57

to develop and be a little more consistent. This

1:03:59

could be a great pick, and a Joey Porter junior

1:04:01

just to find some snaps behind those

1:04:03

starters and maybe he's that future shut

1:04:05

down corner in a year or two. Yeah,

1:04:08

I think that this one just makes so much

1:04:10

sense. You're looking at a team that you

1:04:12

know, yeah, they added Camp Sutton, but Sutton has

1:04:15

played inside plenty over the course of his career.

1:04:17

I think that that pick makes a ton of and they

1:04:19

did not tackle well on the back end. And you know,

1:04:21

Joey Porter is bringing a physical presence and

1:04:24

a willingness to get the ball carrier down.

1:04:26

He's going to be a Dan Campbell type of corner. I

1:04:28

love it well, Ben, great stuff

1:04:31

as always. Maybe next week

1:04:33

we'll do the round one round

1:04:35

through a Day three version, but if not, we'll

1:04:37

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1:04:55

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are not an echo chamber jil. I appreciate

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that the question here, is

1:05:21

there a better fit for Jack Campbell than

1:05:23

the New England Patriots. It feels like he

1:05:25

was meant for them, and I do agree. I think

1:05:27

that Jack Campbell makes a lot of sense. Obviously,

1:05:30

the Iowa Hawkeyes always will have

1:05:32

a home there in New England. That relationship

1:05:34

between Kirk Ferrens and Bill Belichick is

1:05:37

alive and well, so Jack Campbell

1:05:39

definitely could end up up in New England. But

1:05:41

honestly, I think that Jack Campbell, He's gonna

1:05:43

be a good fit for a lot of teams. Yeah, I know.

1:05:46

Daniel Jeremiah kind of floated the idea of the

1:05:48

Buffalo Bills towards the end of Round one having

1:05:50

interest in Jack

1:05:52

Campbell. They just lost Tremaine Edmunds in free

1:05:54

agency. Just like Edmunds, Campbell

1:05:57

is a big range backer who can play sideline

1:05:59

to side. Mine did not test quite

1:06:01

to the same level that Edmonds did, but tested

1:06:04

plenty well and has that size that

1:06:06

he could be a true mike in the middle. Matt

1:06:08

Milano, who they just extended, He's not

1:06:11

like that, that play caller in the middle of the defense,

1:06:13

whereas Campbell does have that skill

1:06:15

set. But I think, honestly, any team

1:06:17

that is going to play a lot of too high where you need

1:06:19

your guys to be able to play playoff blocks

1:06:22

in the run game, you're not going to be uh you know, plus

1:06:24

in a numbers count from a run game standpoint,

1:06:27

you could use Jack Campbell And that's that's that's

1:06:29

why I think it's going to make him a good scheme fit anywhere.

1:06:32

I do think that New England makes a ton of sense and

1:06:34

it would not shock me if they went that direction. But

1:06:36

there are a bunch of backers I think make a lot of sense for New

1:06:39

England. You know, Noah Seoul from Oregon.

1:06:41

He looks like a New England Patriot all day. Isaiah

1:06:43

Moore, the linebacker from NC State, Yeah, I think

1:06:45

he looks like a New England Patriot all day. There are a couple

1:06:48

other guys that come to mind as well. Shaka

1:06:51

Hayward from Duke looks like a New

1:06:53

England Patriot all day. So there

1:06:55

are a bunch of guys at all different levels of the draft

1:06:57

that I think makes sense for the Patriots. But Jack

1:06:59

Campbell certainly one of those. So again

1:07:02

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