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Hi fr. Welcome to Joyce Meyer's

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one of us and let's talk it out.

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Friends you are going to love

1:02

this.

1:02

We have some special

1:04

guests in a very special program today.

1:07

And have you ever asked

1:09

the question? what would I

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tell my younger self if

1:13

I had the opportunity? And that's what we're talking

1:15

about today. Yeah. And first

1:18

of all, let me say this, because you guys

1:20

you guys are such wonderful

1:23

people to know. You are.

1:25

in so many different ways, but we're kinda

1:27

having a takeover show today. Yes.

1:29

Because our fr, Joyce,

1:32

and Chris Kane, and Lisa Harper,

1:34

are gonna kinda take over this episode.

1:36

Any ever anybody that's gonna take over

1:38

a show, it feels like it should be them. Yeah.

1:40

I was kinda like, I think I can let

1:42

Christine, you know. I feel like I was more like,

1:45

She can be me. Well,

1:47

I was gonna know which one of you know was her second.

1:49

That was my Chris Caine. But

1:52

if we're going to, like, seriously, it

1:54

was an honor to, like, absolutely, to

1:56

have him sit on our lovely pink couch

1:58

and really just shared

2:00

all kinds of knowledge. It was fantastic. It

2:02

was I was back then, like, you know, take notes.

2:05

Yeah. Me too. So this is from our women's

2:07

conference that our very last

2:09

most recent women's conference, we had this

2:11

opportunity to kind of have a a

2:13

girl chat discussion there

2:16

share it with everybody and now we we wanna

2:18

share it with you too. But like you guys

2:20

said, it there was so

2:22

much just powerful

2:24

stuff for life lessons

2:26

of all different phases phases

2:29

of life, and we ask those questions like,

2:31

Okay. What would you tell your teenage

2:33

self? What would you tell your

2:36

motherhood self? Yeah. You know, what

2:39

all the different questions and so many

2:41

different things that we were able to get into a

2:43

lot of different angles of life. Yeah.

2:45

And it was interesting because they

2:47

all have such a different perspective -- Mhmm. -- which is

2:49

why we all love doing this too because

2:51

we're learning from each other. And just to hear from them

2:53

who they grew up differently in different

2:55

ages, it was so good.

2:58

So yeah. I'm like, yeah. I'm like, oh, I got it.

3:00

Yeah. That Oh, got it. Well, like even

3:02

hear Joyce say, like, you'll get guys

3:04

will hear it. Does she, like, said, she didn't even

3:06

start having fun until she was fifty. Yeah.

3:08

Like, I'm just now forty

3:11

one. You know what? So there's a lot of fun

3:13

in high school. And TIO see how

3:15

full her life is at her age even

3:17

now. It's just I mean, it was just something

3:19

exciting to see. I'm super hopeful. Mhmm. It's

3:22

it it made me full of hope and

3:24

joy to see, like, Wow. I mean,

3:26

I still have so much time -- Yeah. -- you know, to

3:28

do things. So yeah. This is good to I'm

3:30

gonna talk to her for just a second. Yeah. So if you

3:32

could just She's not here. Yeah.

3:33

Yeah. It's a pia to

3:35

the J and J chapter. Exactly. We

3:37

gotta talk real quick. We gotta we

3:39

gotta We can't speak. We're gonna talk

3:41

about you though.

3:42

You you don't need to know. Yeah. Can we

3:44

just talk about how great the host was? Yes. She's

3:46

a bat she's kind of a baddy on

3:48

there. She

3:48

she did a really good job.

3:50

really great, like, moderating that and

3:53

to keep that conversation moving. Because

3:55

you know what? One thing I know, like, you gotta be

3:57

some type of host. If

3:58

you can keep three preaches -- Yeah.

3:59

-- three preaches. Yeah. That's three

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I think it's all fucking preach.

4:05

I'm alright. I'm talking about forty five

4:06

to minutes to an hour. They

4:08

can go. She got them going. She got them going.

4:10

That takes a special skill. So Well,

4:13

how fun to be able to talk

4:16

with this group and and just laugh

4:19

and realize how we all have so

4:21

much in common. Yeah. And involving

4:23

the fifteen thousand,

4:25

however many women that were there too,

4:27

it was it's just like sitting in a great

4:29

big living room with all your best friends.

4:31

Absolutely. It was really special. It felt

4:33

very intimate even though there were so many

4:35

people in there because we

4:37

were connecting. Yeah. Yeah. And I did it.

4:39

It was fun to see, like, people

4:42

responding to almost like a talk it out. Like,

4:44

you know, I think Yeah. Because we don't we

4:46

never get to see We envision you guys

4:48

out here. We're like,

4:50

I

4:50

hope they're listening. I hope they're laughing.

4:52

I think I hope they think we're funny. Like,

4:56

I'll laugh no matter what. But to

4:58

to to see the women really engage, it

5:00

was it was fun to see. Yeah. So should

5:02

we do it? You know what? It was just so

5:04

good that I think we should just share when

5:06

everybody do it. You guys check it out.

5:09

So we've all done this together

5:11

before because We have Joyce's talking

5:13

out podcast, and you've all been on

5:15

it. Love it. And it's so

5:17

fun when you guys are with us. We have Oh,

5:19

look at this. This is this is

5:21

sort of So yeah. Get cozy. Get

5:23

comfy. That is so cozy.

5:25

I look. Let's just all sit on the

5:27

couch.

5:27

Alright.

5:36

Alright.

5:37

We are going to be talking about

5:39

what you would tell your younger

5:41

self. Mhmm. So there's

5:43

been advancements in technology and

5:46

there is now a way TIO

5:48

text yourself messages back

5:51

in time. Wow. Uh-huh.

5:54

It's not real. Don't look for it on your app

5:56

store.

5:56

But, wow.

5:59

So

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let me just start with this. What's the

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first thing that pops into your mind? What's

6:04

the first thing that you thought? I'm gonna tell

6:06

my younger self this. I would tell

6:08

her not to try to peel off

6:10

spanks with a fresh manicure.

6:12

brilliant. Fr.

6:17

Love it. I figured you'd come up

6:19

with

6:21

First of all, I can't even get spanked on. I

6:23

don't know how anybody does that one. I'm like,

6:25

you could hurt yourself trying to put a pair

6:27

of those things on. No.

6:30

I'm I would tell her TIO eat more carbs

6:32

while she can. Now

6:34

why Do it while your metabolism is more

6:36

carbs? Well, you can. Eight more carbs?

6:38

Why you can. Bob

6:42

pops into your head, Joyce. I just think

6:44

it's so important to enjoy your life

6:46

and so

6:47

many people put that off

6:49

until when this, when

6:51

this, when this, when this. But It

6:55

seems like, you know, if you can't

6:57

enjoy waiting, you're never gonna

6:59

enjoy your life because if you really think about

7:01

it, you spend more time waiting than you do

7:03

anything else. Mhmm. You

7:05

wait for God to do something, you wait, and you

7:07

wait, and then finally he does it. And

7:09

that's a thrill and you enjoy it for a little

7:11

bit, but it's not very long

7:13

at all. And --

7:15

Yeah. -- that thing you were so excited

7:17

about is Whole Home now and so you're waiting

7:19

on something else. Mhmm. So we

7:22

just need to learn how to wait well

7:25

and how to

7:27

enjoy life. And, you know, I

7:29

had

7:30

issues, things that needed to be changed in

7:32

me. But I didn't you know,

7:34

God enjoys us from the get go. He

7:36

knows what he's getting when he calls us into

7:38

relationship with him. And

7:40

I did I I kept wanting to change

7:43

before I can enjoy my summer. Now I talk too

7:45

much. I do this. I do that or something else.

7:47

And you just you need to make a

7:49

decision today that you're gonna start enjoying

7:51

yourself right where you're at because God

7:53

does enjoy you. Right. And

7:57

contract. So III

7:58

would have had a lot more fun.

8:01

Worried a lot less. Who's

8:03

gonna leave here? determined to

8:05

have more fun. worry less.

8:06

Yeah.

8:09

Good advice from friends. Joyce

8:11

Joyce says that you live life

8:13

forward Mhmm. Yeah. But

8:15

that you learn from it backwards just so

8:18

you understand it backwards. So I think

8:20

there's so much that that we can share

8:22

that we've learned that all of you can

8:24

share with each other, you know, after you hear

8:26

this conversation, I hope that you'll share it

8:28

together because there are so many

8:30

lessons. Mhmm. So let's

8:32

start with what you would tell

8:34

your teenage self. Those

8:36

teenage years. And we've got a lot of moms

8:38

of daughters. We've got some young

8:40

women out in the crowd, what

8:42

would you tell your teenage

8:44

self? I think I'd

8:46

tell myself that there's no dark

8:48

side to God -- Mhmm. -- and I came to Christ

8:50

when I was a kid. I have

8:53

similar backstory to miss

8:55

Joyce's So I knew

8:57

that God had sent Jesus to deliver me

8:59

from my sin. I didn't think he liked me very

9:01

much. Mhmm. I felt like I was way

9:03

too dirty.

9:04

to be in God's family. So

9:06

I was just always running scared

9:08

and trying

9:08

to be a good girl. And I

9:11

I didn't know what it was to

9:13

be loved. by God. Mhmm.

9:15

So I spent years as a

9:17

very stiff

9:19

saved girl, took a long time to trust

9:21

him enough to really linger in his arms

9:23

and get liberated. Yeah. And I was

9:25

always afraid somebody would look under the hood, you

9:27

know, and find find

9:30

me wanting, and I think I would

9:32

just open my own hood a lot sooner.

9:36

Me

9:37

too. I echo that. And I

9:40

don't to say, because I was so

9:42

not normal. I'm way

9:44

more normal now than I was

9:46

back then. Really?

9:49

I would have told

9:51

her it's okay. God

9:52

has a place in his kingdom for someone

9:54

like you.

9:55

I mean, I was so like you. That's

9:57

where we're. so connected at

9:59

the

9:59

womb. And so because

10:01

I I was just not like the

10:04

other girls. III didn't you

10:06

know, my mom would get devastated

10:09

because she'd like to take me to the store to buy me

10:11

dolls, then I'd be in the book section or in the

10:13

sports section. And back

10:15

in my day because I'm elderly. That

10:17

was, like, very odd.

10:19

You know, that was not what girls did.

10:21

And so I spent

10:23

so much time. I remember thinking, like,

10:25

why did you meet me a girl? Why did

10:27

you meet me? You know, why couldn't I be like my

10:29

brothers? Because we came from a staunch

10:31

Greek family. where the

10:33

men were everything, you know, and a woman

10:35

was very secondary. And

10:37

and I would think why did you put

10:40

all this in me to

10:42

frustrate me. And I see God would tell her that, you

10:44

know, God didn't put it in in you to

10:46

frustrate you, but it's part of your purpose, and it's

10:48

part of your gifting, and it's part of That's great.

10:50

And

10:50

I think that would have

10:51

been a lot better. Yeah. Yeah.

10:53

So good. I think when

10:55

you're a teenager, especially,

11:00

you really

11:02

start

11:03

to worry about what other people

11:05

think. Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. And

11:09

wanting so much to be accepted.

11:12

And that's

11:13

really a very important time

11:16

for teenagers because they can

11:19

really it's like a

11:21

crossroads, you know. You can really

11:24

stand your ground and be who you are

11:26

and not get sucked into the crowd. And I Dave

11:28

and I have several grandchildren

11:31

that I'm really proud of that,

11:33

you know, we're still

11:34

versions when they got married. Mhmm.

11:37

they were very,

11:39

very strict

11:42

about, I

11:43

believe in God, this is what I'm gonna do. And

11:45

if you don't like me, your problem.

11:48

They were okay, being by themselves, if they

11:50

had to be by themselves. And

11:52

now it

11:54

it really can be a very

11:57

difficult time for teenagers

11:59

if they get into

12:01

that peer pressure trap.

12:03

of trying to be like

12:05

everybody else. And

12:07

I'm so

12:08

glad that I found out that

12:10

God

12:11

didn't make us to be like everybody

12:13

else. We're all very

12:16

unique. I mean, there may be some similarities.

12:18

Our personalities are somewhat

12:20

alike. Usually, people that do this kind of

12:22

thing. They are all four of us,

12:24

but us up here have got some

12:26

similarities. But yet

12:28

there's differences and it's okay to be different.

12:32

And maybe some of you are still trying to figure

12:34

that out. You're still trying

12:36

to

12:36

be like somebody else, and I'll tell you it's

12:38

just the biggest waste of time because

12:41

-- Mhmm. -- you

12:43

gotta be you. Everybody else has already

12:45

taken. You can't You

12:47

just can't be somebody else. And

12:49

so I really yeah. I

12:52

really want you to enjoy yourself.

12:55

I didn't start enjoying myself until

12:57

I was probably in

12:59

my fifties and still

13:02

learning. I think I've Mhmm.

13:04

Finally got that one, but I

13:06

felt so bad about myself guilty all the

13:08

time and always

13:09

coming up short because I wasn't

13:12

what somebody else wasn't like

13:14

you. Maybe

13:14

I didn't sense that so much in my teenage

13:16

years as my young adult years, but I

13:18

just wasn't like other

13:20

women. You know,

13:22

I didn't I didn't like

13:24

a lot of the things they

13:26

like. You know, they were all going to home,

13:28

decorating parties and I wanted to stay

13:30

home and

13:31

learn how to cast out devils, you know? I

13:37

just I just wasn't

13:40

wasn't like them. And so because I wasn't like

13:42

them, I thought there was something wrong with me.

13:44

Mhmm. And I just wanna tell you loud

13:46

and clear, there is not something wrong with

13:48

you because you are not like

13:50

somebody else. Yeah. Please

13:52

get that.

13:52

Yeah. Right.

13:55

I would tell my younger

13:56

self to risk

13:59

it. That's

13:59

great. I would say, live

14:02

big. Tell the boy you think

14:04

he's cute. you know, don't be

14:06

afraid and just put

14:08

yourself out there because no

14:11

matter what happens, even that rejection --

14:14

Right. You'll you'll learn through

14:16

it. Right. So I would I would love to

14:18

tell my younger self that. Yeah.

14:20

Okay. What would

14:22

you tell your younger

14:25

mother self because you've

14:27

all learned so much and you're all in

14:29

different stages, which I

14:31

love. of where you are in your motherhood

14:34

journey. Missy's how old? Missy's Missy's

14:36

thirteen. Missy's thirteen.

14:38

She is a precious

14:40

little thing. We love Missy. And

14:43

then, Chris, your daughters, twenty

14:45

and almost seventeen. And

14:47

Joyce has one of everything. Oh,

14:49

yeah. My baby is forty

14:52

two. So what

14:54

would you tell your motherhood self?

14:57

Anybody? Okay.

14:59

And what can you do? I became

15:01

a mom really late. In life, I

15:03

became a mother through the miracle of

15:05

adoption. the exact same season I was going

15:07

through menopause. Sorry.

15:09

Yeah. I was a real

15:11

sweaty, young mother. But

15:15

and and I feel like

15:17

I've had Missy home from Haiti for eight and a

15:19

half years, and I think I've made

15:22

every single mistake

15:22

known to motherhood. in that eight

15:25

and a half years, but

15:27

I've loved her so much. And I

15:29

just she's tangible grace. She's not my

15:31

hope. Jesus is my hope, but I was

15:33

such a train wreck. and the

15:35

way God wove me into Missy's story

15:37

was such a a palpable miracle

15:39

that when she wakes up, I'm

15:41

like, look what he did. Yeah. And so I

15:43

think it's just gratitude is the only thing

15:45

I do really well in motherhood. And I I

15:47

think if it's child

15:49

knows they're loved. They'll

15:52

stay between the ditches. Mhmm. I

15:54

love that. I

15:55

would tell her this sleep. There

15:57

will come a day you will sleep again.

15:59

Yeah. There is sleep

16:02

in the future. That's a

16:04

really important thing. it is.

16:06

If you just know you're gone,

16:08

it's coming. And

16:11

just to chill out

16:12

and don't major on minors

16:15

because it really does it. A a lot of the stuff

16:17

you think is gonna matter. It's not

16:19

gonna matter. I'm gonna set someone free

16:21

I know there are people that are

16:23

obsessed with breastfeeding. I'm gonna go there,

16:25

and people that aren't. Just do

16:27

you do you boo, whatever

16:28

suits you, it's okay.

16:31

So that's And I

16:33

I just think we get so

16:35

caught up. And again, it comes back to the comparison

16:37

thing. Like, am I doing it like someone

16:39

else's? So you

16:40

have to understand, I would also

16:43

say, because I was forty as

16:45

well when, you know,

16:45

of thirty five and forty when

16:47

I had my kids. already in full time

16:49

global ministries. So I wasn't like

16:51

a twenty year old mother in that different

16:53

season. And I

16:56

would have been just a little bit more gentle on

16:58

myself. Like, don't understand that

17:01

it's

17:01

a unique journey for every

17:02

mother. Exactly. I

17:05

think. And I think I'd tell her not to be surprised.

17:07

I grew up. My mom's baptism to the bone.

17:09

My dad's a symbol of God, so I grew up, kind

17:11

of, babed Akastal.

17:12

which means I I want

17:15

to dance in worship, but I have very

17:17

questionable rhythm. But we

17:20

were taught I thought if I said a word

17:22

that's not in the bible, there's a grease

17:24

tube straight to the hot place. I

17:26

was shocked when I became a mom

17:28

how many bad words if somebody messes with

17:30

my kid, it's like, I will cut you.

17:32

And so so

17:34

young mamas don't say

17:37

bad words. But then I

17:39

know Joyce has some great books about that that

17:41

help me cleanse

17:41

my mind, but don't be surprised. When

17:43

you want to say that when someone's

17:46

unkind of your child, I I've never a

17:48

fighter until I became a mom. And then

17:50

it's like, you will do anything to

17:53

to guard their heart and and mind as

17:55

under the Lord. I

17:57

wish known then that

18:00

everybody's

18:00

different and I didn't. And

18:03

him now you

18:06

all probably think like I did. You may have four

18:08

or five kids, and you think, how

18:10

could you

18:11

all have come out of the same

18:13

place? and

18:13

then

18:15

so Not literally the same

18:17

place. Yes. The same,

18:20

then literally so completely

18:24

different in personality. And

18:27

so if you do have a few

18:29

kids, I had four I

18:31

had one of

18:31

everything.

18:33

And you you can't you

18:36

have to meet people where they're

18:38

at. Mhmm.

18:39

instead of expecting all of

18:41

them to be what you

18:44

want them to be. Mhmm. And a

18:46

lot of times you want them to

18:48

be you, and sometimes you don't even really

18:50

like yourself yet. Yeah. That

18:52

was one of the reasons why I had such a hard

18:54

time getting along with David is he was just a

18:56

lot like me. and

18:58

I didn't really like myself. So

19:00

-- Mhmm. -- it's hard

19:02

to like him. So I

19:05

had one strong colorek.

19:07

I had one perfectionist and

19:09

she was, you

19:10

know, perfectionist can be

19:13

hard. I mean, they're so hard on

19:15

themselves and you love them so much. and you

19:17

don't wanna see them -- Mhmm. --

19:19

go through the things they go

19:21

through and

19:23

then I had one full

19:26

ball

19:27

of sand going. I

19:29

mean, I don't care what you did to him. He'd have a

19:31

good time with it. And

19:34

if I'm

19:36

her one time to send him out to sweep

19:38

the back porch and I looked around and he's out

19:40

there dancing with the Buriam and I thought, Oh,

19:43

god. He hated school. I was

19:45

so happy when he finally got out of

19:47

school. I had to hire a

19:49

private TIO him, stick her right in his face to get

19:51

him through school. There's no talk

19:53

about college. Mm-mm. I'll give you a job,

19:55

but there's no talk about color. And

20:00

you I love what

20:02

the apostle Paul said. He

20:04

said, I've learned to the Jew, I'm a Jew, to the

20:06

Greek. I'm a Greek. Mhmm. You

20:08

know, he met people where they were

20:10

at -- Right. -- instead of trying

20:12

to make them come to

20:14

him. And I really encourage you to

20:17

remember that just

20:19

like you can't be somebody

20:21

else neither can your child.

20:24

and you you need to celebrate

20:26

who they are and not make them feel

20:28

like there's something wrong with them

20:31

Don't ever compare one of your kids

20:33

with another one. Yeah. Don't ever

20:35

say, why can't you be more like your brother? Why can't

20:37

you be more like your sister?

20:39

You know, some people are naturally smarter

20:43

than others. Christine has just

20:45

like got a brain five times the

20:47

size of mine. She can read book

20:49

on an airplane. And I, you know,

20:51

I'm just

20:52

not I mean, I'm smart,

20:54

but I'm not like

20:57

her. And that's okay.

20:59

You know? What

21:00

do you all have? I think you're doing

21:03

okay. Thank you. Yeah. Here's

21:07

the thing. What you don't have God or

21:09

makeup for? Turtled.

21:13

So so good. Yeah. And another thing

21:15

I would tell you is don't worry so much

21:17

about whether it's gonna be a good parent or

21:20

not. you know, I had

21:22

the worst example anybody could have.

21:24

And I even my daughter has

21:26

told me several times, she said, I am really

21:28

amazed that you did

21:31

such

21:31

a good job raising us, considering

21:33

how you were raised.

21:37

And God

21:39

will anoint you

21:40

to be a parent. Yeah.

21:43

You don't you don't have to

21:45

You know,

21:46

instead of do

21:48

you have a bad example instead of turning around

21:50

and being what they were to learn from what

21:52

they did not to do Mhmm. And

21:55

just don't worry about it. Take it

21:57

easy. You know? I I

21:59

thought

21:59

I mean, my one daughter, I

22:02

I mean, some of my kids, I thought they ever gonna be able to even

22:04

get a job? I just I didn't

22:06

know if they'd ever even be able to

22:08

leave home and survive, you know?

22:10

And Now

22:12

they take care of me. Yeah. And

22:14

so just

22:15

chill. Mhmm. They'll

22:18

make it. That that

22:19

reminds me because, you know, when

22:21

when your kids are different and you're

22:23

going through different stages of motherhood,

22:25

there's always a time I hope

22:27

always, it'll it'll make me feel better if there's always the

22:29

time that as a mom, you say I don't like that

22:31

one right now.

22:32

You know, this person

22:34

is hard to love right now.

22:37

And so I think

22:39

it's so important

22:39

to realize that

22:41

every stage changes whatever

22:44

hard time you're going through,

22:46

it's gonna shift. God's gonna help you through

22:48

and he's gonna help them through it. Hold

22:50

on and wait. And he's gonna

22:52

bring you around. That reminds me. We we ask some

22:54

of you for questions as well. And Joyce, this

22:57

question is for you, and I love it. It

22:59

says, Joyce, I love your book, loving people

23:01

who are hard to love, What

23:03

should I do if I'm the one who's

23:05

hard to love? Well,

23:09

first of all, knowing

23:11

that put you miles

23:14

ahead of anybody

23:16

else. So you're already on your

23:18

way to freedom if you know

23:21

that. and I get that

23:22

because I was hard to

23:24

love. And

23:26

knowing that you are

23:29

gives you an advantage because now all you need

23:31

to do is start having

23:33

some good conversations with God

23:36

and realize that everything is not

23:38

gonna change all at once. The

23:40

wonderful thing about the holy spirit is he's

23:42

a gentle healer. Yeah. And

23:45

he

23:45

he never see, if

23:47

if

23:47

we try to do it ourselves, we try

23:50

to do way too much at one

23:52

time. It's like I

23:54

talk too much. Now there's too much. Now there's too much. And I'm not

23:56

this. And, you know, I mean, I thought I needed to

23:58

be a better wife and a

23:59

better mother, and I needed to be more artsy

24:02

and crafty, and TIO have a and then

24:04

make my family's clothes and I needed

24:06

to be sweet like, you know, my

24:08

pastor's wife and I tried to be sweet and

24:10

none of it just worked. It just

24:12

just didn't work. I mean, I still

24:15

am. You know, you

24:16

you've got a basic temperament and

24:20

God can can change

24:22

some of our moral behavior, but

24:24

he's not gonna he's not

24:26

gonna make you

24:28

something that

24:29

you're not. And

24:33

Sorry. Chris is cracking up. Chris is

24:35

just thinking of go I'll

24:37

just

24:37

let you guys figure this out. What? What

24:39

do you say? What?

24:41

You're

24:41

the sweetest person I do? I'll have

24:43

the sweetest person, you know. Yeah.

24:46

That's because you only see me twice to

24:48

you.

24:53

No. I I God is god has

24:56

changed me and I am I

24:57

am pretty sweet now, but I'll never be

24:59

like that. I mean, I've

25:02

tried to have a real sweet

25:04

soft boys and I

25:07

mean, I mean, I really tried that

25:09

and people are going, what are you

25:11

doing? Can Can you I

25:13

was on television and any

25:16

man

25:16

trying to watch

25:17

me if I was like, honey,

25:19

you are just so sweet and I

25:21

love you so much. No.

25:23

You gotta get in their face and

25:25

tell them tell it

25:27

like it is. And so

25:30

god has made you the

25:33

basic

25:33

you, the way Amen.

25:35

He wants you. and

25:37

your kids So

25:40

don't try to make them be

25:42

something they don't know how

25:43

to be. That's good. I

25:45

love what she's saying there because Screws says,

25:47

train up a child in the way they should

25:49

go, not the way you want them to

25:52

go. And one of the

25:54

benefits of not becoming

25:56

a parent until you're thirty five or forty, and

25:58

all your friends and

25:59

peers are now becoming

26:02

grandparents. It means you've learned from all

26:04

their mistakes. And so that actually has

26:06

been really helpful for me. So

26:08

now when my youngest one is

26:10

really quirky like a father,

26:11

very odd, and quirky. And so

26:14

She'll copy

26:15

a safe word to you. Never that.

26:18

Yes. She'll come one day, you know,

26:20

with red hair, the next day with

26:22

black hair. Now, I would think that

26:24

me of thirty years ago and had I not

26:25

met you and other mothers that were older,

26:27

I might have

26:29

really freaked out.

26:30

Whereas nowadays, I'm like it's your hair

26:33

falls out and knock yourself out like it's just like I

26:34

don't literally literally, that

26:36

is my statement.

26:37

She goes, mom, can I, you know, do my hair red?

26:39

I might knock yourself out if you're

26:40

gonna all out. You know,

26:42

there there is. And I

26:45

don't lose any sleep, and there's no big

26:47

deal.

26:47

And you're right the next month it

26:49

wants to be a different color anyway. So who really cares?

26:51

That's good. That's that's really good. That

26:53

is a really good benefit. And looking,

26:55

Katherine's affair are so different.

26:57

and going, okay, don't try

27:00

my kids are not there to make me look

27:02

good.

27:02

And, you know That is crazy. That

27:05

is crazy. So the pressure in particular if you're in ministry

27:07

and on a platform is

27:10

oftentimes you can be harder on your

27:11

kids because you think they're a reflection

27:14

of you And so instead of getting significance or security

27:16

or affirmation of value from

27:17

God, you're actually trying to get it from your

27:19

kids and you're putting a pressure on them

27:21

and God never put up on them.

27:23

Yeah. And it is so wrong. Yeah. It's so

27:25

actually if you're doing something like we're doing in

27:27

the toilet. because people try to judge you

27:29

by that. And and then

27:31

the kids feel that pressure.

27:33

And so I just thank

27:35

God again. I'm not saying a younger me

27:38

probably would have made a lot more mistakes,

27:40

but I I have learned. I I

27:42

mean, I've had mama j. I probably still wouldn't be

27:44

married or a mother if I didn't have her, you

27:46

know. So

27:47

but but I can see how that

27:49

is such

27:49

a pressure on when parents

27:52

if you're broken and insecure on the inside,

27:54

you're gonna think that you're

27:56

you're

27:56

gonna be using your kids basically to

27:59

fill

27:59

a need

28:00

or a whole or some sort of

28:03

external value. And it's just

28:05

out of order. You're you're there

28:06

to train them up. in the way

28:08

they

28:08

should go with the gifts and callings God has put

28:10

on them and then launch them into the

28:13

atmosphere as

28:13

ours for the glory of God. That takes

28:15

so much pressure off. Yeah. It really does.

28:17

Because there's a lot of pressure for moms --

28:20

Totally. -- and that that really takes it off

28:22

because the advantage

28:24

like you were saying of

28:26

of how we live life forward, but we

28:28

understand it backwards is

28:30

as

28:30

moms with older children now,

28:32

we're able to see what God has done

28:35

in their life. And it just amazes me, it

28:37

explores me the the things

28:39

that he has used, the

28:41

experiences, and how he shaped them, and the

28:43

beautiful things that he brought out of them

28:45

that I had no idea where

28:47

coming and are so exciting

28:49

to see. Trusting God through this journey. Yeah.

28:52

is not easy every day,

28:54

but trusting God through this journey

28:56

knows what he's doing. It amazes

28:58

me how much I worried.

29:01

Yeah. and how

29:02

and how good all my kids

29:05

have turned down. You

29:07

know, it's just just

29:09

chill and relax.

29:12

And remember, you're not

29:14

what you are when thirteen or

29:16

fourteen or fifteen. Oh, thank

29:18

god. Yeah. I remember

29:21

that God loves your kids more than you do.

29:23

So there's a God fact during all of

29:25

this. Yeah. Right. And they've got to encounter him

29:27

themselves. And I think

29:30

out putting undue pressure on

29:32

them and not acknowledging that

29:34

there's a process. And the

29:35

Lord's calling him to themselves and the

29:37

Holy Spirit's working in their lives and -- Yeah.

29:39

-- you you have to just give them

29:42

that space. I think that's I I just

29:44

wanna say and then I'll stop. You

29:47

know, where I got most of my pressure and

29:49

girls I'll say this because this is the

29:51

living room. Absolutely, girls. So I'll say --

29:53

Yeah. -- very safe with, you

29:55

know, thirty thousand my clothes straight.

29:57

So but where I got

29:59

my

29:59

initial most pressure for

30:03

parenting. And again, I was an older mom,

30:05

thirty five and forty,

30:07

thirty five, I had my first, forty by

30:09

second. And I was already in full time

30:11

ministry, but

30:11

it was actually from other

30:14

women who had chosen a different journey with their

30:16

children. They would stay at home mothers,

30:18

many homeschooling mothers, I would

30:20

get more sort of

30:23

looking down their nose at me or

30:24

guilt. Now, their love might

30:26

teach you. They want the

30:29

encouragement. I don't

30:29

know how I'm supposed to do, but

30:32

wasn't able to be a stay at home mom and

30:34

on the road three hundred days a year. It just wasn't

30:36

gonna work. And it

30:36

works the other way around too, those stay at home

30:38

moms feel the same thing. Well, that's what

30:40

I how how it landed for me

30:43

was my kids when they wanted to go to

30:45

school, there was I

30:47

stayed home mom,

30:47

and she would volunteer at the school

30:49

three mornings a week. And I remember I would

30:52

travel so much. And I

30:53

take Sofia and Sofia would run

30:55

up to this mom Sharon was

30:57

the name loved to the

30:58

pieces. And they would hug. And I would

31:00

hold Sharon's hand and she

31:01

would hold my hand, would pray for each other.

31:03

And I'd say Sharon, I thank God that you're

31:05

called. to be a stay at home mom and that you go to the school

31:07

three

31:07

days a week because it makes my heart

31:09

feel so safe. That my kid

31:11

has got a Christian godly

31:14

woman three mornings a week that

31:16

comes in indoors.

31:17

And then I can go and

31:18

take the gospel to the world where one

31:20

body many parts and instead of judging

31:22

each other

31:22

parenting, why don't we help each

31:25

other celebrate each other and serve

31:27

each other. Yeah.

31:29

Yeah.

31:31

Alright. You're

31:33

sending this text. What would

31:35

you tell your younger self

31:38

about aging? It

31:44

happens. It's gonna happen. It's

31:45

gonna let me just say. Yeah.

31:47

I was telling myself this

31:50

the other day. I just turned fifty nine a couple of weeks ago,

31:52

so I keep saying sixty

31:54

so that I'll get used to it.

31:56

It gets better. because

31:59

walking with

31:59

Jesus gets better, you become more

32:02

convinced that he really

32:04

does love us. He didn't

32:06

just come to deliver us from our sin. He

32:08

came because he delights in us. He wants

32:10

relationship with us. I've

32:12

been so struck by joy saying,

32:14

I finally began to light myself,

32:17

and that's not any kind of self help.

32:19

It's Bible. Yeah. It's biblical net

32:22

biblical narrative also in

32:24

through So when you when you begin to believe

32:26

he's undone by me. He longs

32:28

to spend time with me. I can peel

32:30

off my spanx and God's presence.

32:33

I don't have hold stomach. I can linger

32:35

in his arms. Then everything else is

32:37

not that big a deal. And then

32:39

you kinda lose your

32:41

up

32:41

close vision so you can't see -- Mhmm. -- what's sagging

32:44

anyway. So isn't

32:47

God good? I

32:49

mean, honestly, I feel like

32:51

it gets better. There's some places where

32:53

I've slowed a step or two. I

32:55

get really excited when I get to preach. and

32:57

and few weeks ago I jumped to office

32:59

stage and I didn't wanna scare the

33:01

people and I thought, I just shattered

33:03

my ankles. I didn't,

33:05

but it it hurt like the dickens.

33:07

And I thought I probably don't need to jump

33:08

off stages anymore. Now that I'm on

33:11

my sixty, So there's a few things that slow

33:12

down, but for the most part, it gets

33:14

better because your heart gets bigger.

33:16

And then everything kinda falls

33:18

in line with your heart, I think.

33:20

Yeah. Good. I

33:22

mean, case in point.

33:25

Yeah.

33:25

Exactly. You know, I

33:27

wrote that book how to age without

33:31

getting old.

33:31

Yeah. And age

33:34

really

33:34

is a number and old is a

33:37

mindset. Right. Right. That's what I

33:39

mean, I I do not at

33:41

all feel seventy nine.

33:43

I don't look at either. Just say I

33:45

don't I don't think I have to

33:47

dress old. I don't I

33:49

don't need try to look like I'm twenty. But

33:51

-- Right. -- you

33:53

have to be willing to make

33:55

changes. Right. And when

33:58

this conference is over, I'm

34:01

gonna

34:01

be tired because I

34:03

give everything that I have -- Yeah. --

34:05

when I'm doing it. And

34:07

so twenty five years ago

34:08

when a conference was over, I

34:11

go shopping. Now, I'll

34:14

rest and I've found out that

34:16

even one day is not enough I need to.

34:18

Yeah. Mhmm. And so you

34:21

anybody who thinks that they can just

34:23

keep doing the same thing forever just foolish. Yeah. You you

34:26

have to

34:26

make changes and One

34:29

thing I'll

34:30

tell

34:32

you, if you want

34:34

to be in good shape as you get

34:36

older, you need to start when you're

34:38

young, taking care of your self

34:40

totally. When you think you don't

34:42

need TIO. Oh,

34:44

I don't need to I don't need to work out. I

34:46

I look good. I don't, you know,

34:49

And I didn't

34:50

start working out till I

34:52

was sixty two. I wish I would have started

34:55

sooner.

34:55

And I do a lot of

34:58

things now. In order to be able

35:00

to do this, I just started to

35:02

have somebody come,

35:03

I'm getting professionally

35:06

stretched. not to

35:06

get taller, but to be able to keep moving. And

35:09

that's great. If I

35:11

do, you know, get down on

35:13

the platform. I wanna be able to get up. I don't

35:16

want, you know, want somebody that's

35:18

coming, carry me up. And so you need to

35:20

make an

35:22

investment in yourself. You know, a lot of people wait until

35:25

they're sick, mhmm, to do

35:27

anything about it. And the whole

35:29

idea is to do

35:31

something before you

35:33

get to that point. I

35:35

think

35:35

that's key. I think a key part of why

35:37

I have so much energy still and can keep

35:40

going as I've been working

35:42

out since my early -- Yeah. --

35:44

or always. I haven't

35:46

actually not. happy birthday. I'm

35:48

fifty six today. So how is that? Well,

35:50

I've had I've had

35:54

my last twenty five years of

35:55

birthdays with Joyce at the women's conference. So

35:57

I feel like I'm home

35:58

for my birthday

35:59

anyway. And

36:02

so But at fifty six, I probably

36:04

feel stronger than I ever have. I mean,

36:06

I'm climbing more mountains than

36:08

I've

36:08

ever done. I feel

36:12

stronger and healthier by the grace of God and Fitter, but there's

36:14

a commitment. And I agree

36:16

with needing

36:17

more recovery time now, just being I

36:19

mean, I'm writing and Joyce stream.

36:21

So basically anything she's learned at seventy. She's told

36:24

me at fifty. And I think, thank I've got it

36:26

twenty years earlier. And so

36:28

if you listen to

36:30

her, honestly, it works. That's the deal. And I I'm sure that's

36:32

why I'm I'm flourishing now. So I'd be

36:34

like don't get

36:34

scared of aging. We

36:37

live in a youth assessed

36:39

to use idolatry

36:40

culture. And as

36:43

chicks especially, we like to hide women when

36:45

they get older. I mean, that's that's

36:47

the cultural narrative. That's not the biblical narrative

36:49

because we

36:49

go from faith to faith, from grace

36:51

to grace, and from glory to glory. So

36:53

it just

36:54

gets better and better and better I

36:56

would've got now. It really does. Yeah.

36:58

Good. Yeah. I'd like to

37:00

add just the tiniest of caveats because

37:03

I I love to work

37:05

out, and I and I love

37:07

chips and queso. And so

37:08

sometimes I get hot tuna

37:11

too, I just like to throw in

37:13

leather pants because there's

37:15

something about giving yourself a reward

37:17

if you don't love working out.

37:19

And leather pants when you're older, you know, I grew up

37:21

in a in a pretty

37:23

rigid Christian environment.

37:25

So I feel like I'm

37:27

really being wild with leather pants,

37:29

and then I bought a motorcycle and

37:31

there's something about that too.

37:33

Just do something fun.

37:36

So part of that

37:38

is singles. I think the leather pants and the motorcycle lead TIO as

37:40

well. But but get your

37:43

give yourself little goals. Don't set.

37:45

I'm gonna run a marathon tomorrow. Set. I'm

37:48

gonna get a house to walk around the

37:50

block tomorrow. Give yourself give yourself a

37:52

little bit of pants. Well, leather

37:54

pants helped me burn off a little bit of

37:56

waterway. They do. I I tried on a

37:58

pair of leather pants the other day, and I

37:59

just said I can't pull this off.

38:02

It's just not made. because, of course, you can. Well, you

38:04

look great leather pants. If I walked

38:06

up here leather pants doesn't sound like ducks

38:08

were being

38:10

killed.

38:20

Okay.

38:22

So so much one could

38:26

say. Right?

38:26

I

38:28

wanna

38:29

give you guys the chance here at the end. Is there anything that

38:31

you would like to ask of each other?

38:33

Like, any advice things? Anything that,

38:35

you know, we're just

38:38

sharing advice fr friends, any any questions that you guys

38:40

would like to pop off for

38:42

each other?

38:43

there

38:45

If

38:46

not, that's okay.

38:47

I have another question. I I

38:50

would. Joyce from getting

38:52

to watch you from the Chiefs. He's for all

38:54

these years. you have

38:56

such a I've

38:58

never seen your passion for

39:00

Jesus ebb or your love for

39:02

God's word ebb. How have

39:04

you kept walking so

39:06

straight toward the lord just basic?

39:08

When you get up in the morning those

39:10

days that you don't wanna lead

39:12

a global ministry that

39:14

you barely wanna

39:15

open your bible. What

39:17

is that besides discipline

39:20

and a gift

39:21

from the Holy Spirit? Okay.

39:23

Hoping I don't

39:25

sound overly

39:28

super spiritual because

39:29

I'm very

39:32

sincere. I I

39:32

really, really, really love

39:35

God.

39:35

I

39:37

mean, that's

39:41

I mean,

39:41

I'm I'm ruined for anything else.

39:44

Yeah. You know? And

39:46

this is just my thing, but

39:49

I

39:49

don't get involved

39:52

in a whole lot of stuff and with a

39:54

whole lot

39:56

of people. I really kinda feel like I belong to the Lord. I'm to

39:58

do something

39:59

that is pretty major.

40:02

Mhmm. And

40:04

I

40:05

really, really, really wanna do it right. I

40:07

don't I

40:08

don't ever

40:09

want to make

40:12

God ashamed or I just I really wanna

40:14

do it right. And every morning, when

40:16

I get up, and I

40:19

can

40:19

say every morning. I

40:21

get

40:21

my coffee and I go and I spend anywhere

40:23

from one to three hours with

40:26

the

40:26

more Lord.

40:27

And it's different

40:28

every day. You know, it's not

40:31

And then I've never seen

40:33

Jesus walk into the room. I don't

40:35

I don't have a lot of spiritual dreams and,

40:37

you know, it's like it's my my

40:40

relationship with God is pretty ordinary,

40:42

but it's very comfortable. You know,

40:44

it's like I know that he loves me and I

40:46

know that he accepts me the way I

40:49

am and and I've finally grown to the point where

40:51

I believe he's pleased with me. And

40:53

I just think if you always

40:55

keep God first, in

40:58

everything. If you always

41:00

Listen, you don't

41:02

have time not to have time

41:04

for God. Right. You

41:07

just great. The the best

41:09

way in the world, I remember many years

41:11

ago when I was working in ministry, I

41:13

was so proud of myself that I worked

41:15

for a church. And

41:18

God

41:18

spoke to me one morning. He said,

41:20

you're you work

41:22

farmy, but you don't spend any

41:24

time with me. Mhmm.

41:26

And then just

41:27

because you're

41:30

in ministry, that

41:31

doesn't make up. See,

41:34

I've I've learned

41:36

my ministry is a guy is a job

41:38

that God has given me

41:40

to do, but he still requires me to be a regular a

41:44

Christian in

41:46

my everyday life. When

41:48

I do random acts of kindness,

41:50

which I'm very fond of, I don't

41:52

do that because I'm a minister. I do it

41:54

because I'm a child of God. Right.

41:56

and I don't I really try not

41:59

to say

41:59

anything in the pulpit that I

42:02

don't live. in

42:05

my everyday

42:05

life. But if you just you really, you gotta be careful about getting

42:07

involved in too much stuff.

42:09

I mean, you

42:11

you really can only

42:13

have five really good friends and keep up

42:15

with them. And I know Christine

42:17

knows

42:17

the whole world. I don't know how she does

42:20

it, but I just

42:22

I can't handle that. Right. You know, I've

42:24

got I gotta keep it pretty

42:26

narrow because I gotta have room

42:28

in my life for god TIO have the biggest part

42:30

of it. Mhmm. So I belong to him

42:32

and he's mine and that's why it's

42:34

gonna start. Beautiful. Thank you.

42:36

Great. Wasn't that

42:39

the best?

42:40

I just think

42:42

that was some of the best conversations and also

42:44

what we would like to note that no

42:46

ducks were harmed during the making of that video. She is

42:49

hilarious. Okay. I mean, I'm

42:51

almost cropping right now. There it is. But you know

42:53

what? I just think it's

42:56

super fun. Like, that was so powerful and a a

42:58

good lesson to learn, like, yeah, no matter what

43:00

stage of life that you're in, we can all

43:02

learn from each other and learn from each

43:05

other. I think it's It was

43:07

so amazing. Yeah. Some of the stuff that Chris said and Lisa too, I mean,

43:09

I didn't always Joyce, but kinda gave me

43:11

some freedom as a mom

43:13

of young kids. like, those are

43:16

some things that I need to be reminded of

43:18

and that I should take some pressure off

43:20

myself and I don't need to be, like, every other

43:22

mom and I need to

43:24

run-in my lane and

43:26

not feel the need to compare so much. So that

43:28

was that was really important for me here. This is

43:30

all goodies. when you would tell

43:32

your younger self, either one of you, both of you?

43:34

Calm down. Just

43:36

take a breath.

43:39

That's

43:39

a good one. Yeah. Things

43:41

change. Mhmm. Be

43:43

flexible. And it's okay.

43:45

Yeah. That's really good. Yeah. I think

43:47

I would tell my younger self

43:49

even when it doesn't

43:52

look like it. It it's

43:54

all gonna work out. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.

43:57

That's a good one. Actually, I will take that from

43:59

your younger self, and I'll apply it to

44:01

my current self. Yeah. Me

44:04

too. Me too. Okay. That's the right

44:06

person to take that. double it --

44:08

Yeah. -- and throw it on my life right

44:09

now. Thank you for

44:12

that. Double thank you. I'll take it and

44:14

I'll raise you. too.

44:16

Thank you. No, we do.

44:18

We have so much to learn from each other. And

44:20

life lessons are never wasted.

44:22

So whether it's for someone else,

44:25

or it's just for your heart to because

44:27

I love being able to look back and say, god,

44:29

thank you. Yeah. For those times that were so

44:32

hard that that hurt so

44:34

bad -- Mhmm. -- that now I can

44:36

see how you were

44:37

working, how

44:38

you would never abandon me, how

44:40

you had so many blessings hidden in there

44:43

that I didn't even see at the time.

44:45

Yeah. Yeah. But I I think that's

44:47

so stabilizing for our life now.

44:49

Yeah. I was just with someone this morning about how

44:51

god's so good in his unanswered prayers. You

44:53

know, like, that's a country song. You don't know. You

44:55

don't like country music. Like,

44:58

for those of us who do. But Those

45:00

of us is probably just you if I'm right.

45:02

Yeah. That means -- Okay. -- a lot of you

45:04

and you're young that you got to use

45:06

it. People think by new people

45:08

that love

45:08

country music. Got good taste. That's

45:10

what that some of God's greatest

45:12

gifts are unanswered prayers, and I

45:14

think that that's really good advice too.

45:17

That's very sound. Yeah. Yeah. To

45:19

remember that it's not him not answering

45:21

you. It's it's because he's protecting

45:24

you. So looking back like you just said, if I

45:26

look back the other times, I didn't get what I asked for. That

45:28

was God's protection over my life. Mhmm. And

45:30

that is something I would like to

45:32

remind myself

45:34

Yeah. And one thing that that segment really did for

45:36

me and we get to do it all

45:38

the time because we we do this, you know,

45:40

on

45:41

on TiO. But talking

45:43

about your testimony.

45:45

Like, just the power of a

45:47

testimony -- Mhmm. -- to it

45:49

just really is It's

45:52

powerful. You know, it's amazing

45:54

because to see all of you guys

45:56

sitting up there that are strong

45:58

women in God -- Yeah. -- generals of

46:00

the faith, people know all four of you, you

46:02

know, and to be like, to to get

46:04

that human aspect of like,

46:06

wait, they're not

46:08

perfect. What they didn't know

46:10

how to do that. And what it just

46:12

humanizes Christianity. And so

46:14

I think it's important to happen. You know, we

46:16

need to have more of that. And another thing that

46:18

I thought

46:19

was So you none of

46:21

none

46:21

of you really live in the

46:23

same vicinity. Like, it's not like you

46:25

all live in the same area,

46:27

So that means that just because you you can still have those

46:29

kind of deep conversations with like minded people.

46:32

Mhmm. I just say that as a tip to, like,

46:34

some of our our

46:36

friends, like, you

46:37

don't have we get to do this because we do live in the same area and

46:39

we get to do it all often,

46:41

you know. However, people

46:43

if you share your stories and talk

46:46

about Jesus with people, you

46:48

know, find friends to talk about it because you

46:50

don't know whose life you're in like like, everything that was

46:52

shared on that platform

46:54

was so powerful and so impactful and that those

46:56

testimonies really encouraged me --

46:58

Mhmm. -- you know, like, personally. So

47:01

share it with the person on the plane next

47:03

to you. Exactly. I mean, unless there's Scott,

47:05

we'll open opportunities. You know, they

47:07

can't get away,

47:08

though. Never. So you can talk

47:10

you. I'm gonna tell you my story. Yeah. They're giving they're

47:13

giving drinks now. Are you

47:16

sleeping? I'm gonna testimony

47:18

to us.

47:19

And I've got to let it

47:22

out. You can always

47:23

throw in. It's good to know the lord in case

47:26

something bad would happen on this flight.

47:28

You know, and

47:30

right away. No gospel message. We

47:32

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47:34

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47:38

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