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Welcome to the Just Ingredients Podcast. I'm

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Cara Lynn, and here we talk all

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things nourishing to the mind, body, and

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soul. This is a place where you

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can find just good ingredients to life.

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Chad Ramos is the CEO of Provado

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Health, a pioneering company that

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specializes in the research and

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development of cutting-edge cancer treatment

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options, including Therinostics.

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They have facilities in the United

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States and partner with international health

0:39

systems in Germany, Australia, and Austria.

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They are at the forefront of combating

0:44

prostate cancer through a holistic treatment

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approach that encompasses precision

0:49

oncology, nutrition, physical fitness,

0:51

mental health, and complementary

0:53

therapies. Provado Health's

0:55

innovative methods significantly reduce the

0:58

typical side effects associated with

1:00

traditional cancer treatments, enabling

1:03

patients to lead fulfilling lives. Chad's

1:05

leadership extends beyond his company as he

1:08

serves on the BioHealth Sciences Steering Committee

1:10

for the City of Las Vegas. His

1:13

work is informed by a commitment

1:15

to healthcare innovation and community engagement,

1:18

aiming to transform the landscape of

1:20

cancer care. Welcome

1:22

back to the show everyone. Today, I'm actually

1:25

really excited for the conversation that we're going

1:27

to have because this is a good friend

1:29

of mine, Chad Ramos, that's on the

1:31

show today. But I am guessing that most

1:33

of you have maybe never heard about what

1:36

we're going to talk about today. It is

1:38

a new topic that I don't ever really

1:40

talk about on my Instagram, but it's something

1:43

that I want to get out there and

1:45

let people know that this is

1:47

available. And so I brought Chad to the

1:49

show to teach us all about this. And

1:52

so welcome to the show, Chad. I'm

1:54

super excited to be here. Before we dive

1:56

into the topic and the content, I do

1:58

want to the stage here

2:01

that I truly believe that

2:03

you and I sitting down having this conversation is

2:06

going to save hundreds maybe thousands of lives

2:08

and we'll get into that of why I

2:10

think that but I am super fired up.

2:12

Thank you, Carl. I'm excited to be here.

2:15

Okay, let's actually just tell the audience

2:17

what we're going to talk about. It

2:19

is something called Saranostics that can help

2:22

those that are going through cancer and

2:24

everybody knows what chemotherapy is. I mean,

2:26

you say the word chemo, everybody knows,

2:29

but if we said Saranostics to most

2:31

people, they'd be like, I don't know what you're talking about. So we're

2:33

going to start the very beginning, the very

2:36

basics. Tell my listeners

2:38

what Saranostics is. Yeah, yeah,

2:41

everybody knows the standard treatments chemo.

2:43

It's been around for 60 years.

2:45

That's still the standard of care

2:47

for metastatic cancer. And so Saranostics

2:50

is a super

2:52

exciting new field of medicine

2:54

that falls under precision medicine

2:56

and precision oncology. Saranostics,

2:58

it's actually a combination of two words,

3:01

therapy and diagnostics. And so that's where

3:03

the word comes from because it really

3:06

allows physicians to better see

3:08

cancer in the body, as

3:11

well as treat cancer in the

3:13

body because it's focused on the

3:15

cellular level. And so what's really

3:17

exciting about this new field is

3:20

that scientists, researchers have identified

3:22

that cancer cells have unique biomarkers

3:24

that are a thousand times more

3:27

expressed on cancer cells than other

3:29

healthy cells. And this is where

3:31

it's different than chemo. We can

3:33

kind of get into that. But

3:36

Saranostics itself uses these biomarkers and

3:38

then molecules that are attracted only

3:41

to those specific biomarkers. So you're

3:44

talking about viewing Cancer

3:46

and treating cancer at a cellular level.

3:49

And that is super unique. There's a

3:51

bunch of different reasons. It's not a

3:53

coincidence that it's coming here. It really

3:55

stems from the fact that we mapped

3:57

the human genome 20 years ago. So

4:00

now we understand what's inside the

4:02

body. So much more. and so

4:04

now scientists and researchers were able

4:06

to come in and identify that.

4:08

but they're not. Steaks really is

4:10

just a super hyper targeted approach

4:13

to viewing. And. Killeen

4:15

Cancer. And so super

4:17

exciting a field of medicine

4:19

right now prefer. Okay, so

4:21

people might be listening thinking, well,

4:23

isn't that like chemotherapy is likely

4:26

going in and kill the cells

4:28

And so let's. Go. Back a

4:30

little bit and explain like chemotherapy as.

4:33

Yeah. When I first started doing research or

4:35

videos of chemo is you get sick and

4:37

it kills the cancer but it also kills

4:39

a bunch of cells. I I started to

4:41

do some research on it literally Six years

4:44

ago it was discovered because of mustard gas

4:46

in the war batsman chemo is. I mean

4:48

it's just. Wilde. But the science

4:50

behind Chemo is that Timo kills fast

4:52

growing cells. and in your body, cancer

4:55

is one of the fastest growing cells.

4:57

The problem is, there's lots of other

4:59

fast growing cells in your body as

5:02

well, and sorts not targeted. It's killing

5:04

fast growing cells. That's why your hair

5:06

falls out, because hair follicles, fast growing,

5:08

your stomach lining of fast growing is

5:11

why you get so sick. That is

5:13

how Chemo works. It's not intelligent and

5:15

they're trying to do mixes and you

5:17

know, cocktails of chemo. But ultimately, My

5:20

chief medical officer his name is doctor

5:22

Frank his alma girl we call him

5:24

Frankie and he likes to say that

5:26

chemo was like a blowtorch and you're

5:29

just burning down the for us to

5:31

kill a couple trees whereas there a

5:33

gnostic. Is a lightning strike

5:35

to kill very specific freeze and

5:37

that's truly what it is an

5:39

you know my patients every day

5:42

you're talking about like not wanting

5:44

to do this sixty year old

5:46

treatment for their cancer. They want

5:48

something new. They want something better.

5:50

and I remember the first time

5:52

I ever had a conversation with

5:54

someone that was. Taking. Fairness,

5:57

that and using them off it's I

5:59

was on of thing time with Frankie

6:01

in Germany with a patient and he

6:03

has been through a bunch of chemo

6:05

and it it didn't work for him

6:07

and so now he was in Germany

6:09

being treated by Frankie with their in

6:12

ah sticks and he was just kind

6:14

of like shot because he didn't feel

6:16

sick. he had the ivy because it's

6:18

an Ivy treatment and he was like

6:20

I just feel healthy and I feel

6:22

better like I'm so used to feeling

6:24

terrible when I'm getting treated and that's

6:27

one of the things that that's aeronautics

6:29

unlocks as this. Ability to concentrate

6:31

on all these other areas around

6:33

your health. When. You're being

6:35

treated with cancer. That's just a

6:37

completely different paradigm from traditional methods.

6:39

Were it like makes you sick

6:41

and it makes you feel terrible.

6:43

But hopefully it's killing the cancer

6:45

as well. Okay, so

6:48

that's a great analogy about a blowtorch

6:50

to the for us to kill just

6:52

a couple trees on. Instead, Diagnostics is

6:54

like the lightning strike that hit cities.

6:56

Such a great analogy and so mad

6:58

I have so many questions for you.

7:00

I don't even know where to begin.

7:02

but let's begin with. You. Said

7:04

he was doing it in Germany. So is

7:06

this. Done in Germany and

7:09

now you and places like that

7:11

ingest new to America or is

7:13

this available in America? Unfortunately

7:15

in the Us we are used

7:17

to being the best and the

7:19

most innovative and in many industries

7:21

that is the case. Not.

7:24

The case of Medicine. Unfortunately, it

7:26

is just not the case. And

7:28

so my shoes Medical officers been

7:31

treating patients in Germany and Australia

7:33

for five plus years. Hundreds of

7:35

patients, mainly from the states that

7:37

we're taking over there Now It

7:39

was recently a drug called Flu

7:42

Vic though by Novartis was recently

7:44

of the A approved here in

7:46

the United States for prostate cancer

7:48

specific and so we are working

7:50

through the bureaucracy of American Health

7:53

System and so. We have our

7:55

facility in Las Vegas. We have a

7:57

couple facilities in California. It's just much

7:59

more expensive. Quite honestly, it's just much

8:01

more expensive to treat year and so

8:03

a lot of times patients are wanting

8:05

to just pay cash for the treatment

8:07

and so we take them overseas because

8:10

the exact same medication is just cheaper.

8:12

It's almost a third of the price

8:14

overseas. Not only have we been doing

8:16

it overseas because it was approved before,

8:18

but even now when patients don't want

8:20

to jump through some of the hoops

8:22

at the F B A still has

8:24

in place for fairness of because it's

8:26

so do at least here in the

8:28

United States. That is why

8:31

we go overseas and so yeah,

8:33

we absolutely country patients here in

8:35

the Us. We absolutely can do

8:37

that, but it's more advanced and

8:39

we've done been doing at longer

8:41

overseas simply because of the bureaucracy

8:43

and that's you know I kind

8:45

of reference at the beginning why

8:47

this conversation will save lives of

8:49

absolutely will. It's because ninety plus

8:51

percent of our patients hear about

8:53

Sarah Na Sticks. From. A

8:55

friend or family member, I

8:58

just sat down with of Dell Power,

9:00

one of our patients. Just a wonderful

9:02

human and you can see the interview

9:04

on our website and you just kind

9:06

of walk through his story by he

9:09

had been diagnosed with stage for prostate

9:11

cancer. It was a death sentence. He

9:13

was looking down like on my options

9:15

of chemical castration or eighty eight straight

9:17

days of radiation and chemo and all

9:19

these other things and he just didn't

9:21

feel good about that and so he

9:23

kind of resigned himself like hey, this

9:25

is my modern life is what's gonna.

9:27

Happen and he was golfing with a

9:29

buddy and his buddy had just read

9:32

an article. About one of

9:34

our patients and are to medical officers

9:36

name's Alan held the the patient and

9:38

his buddy of Bill Bill Powers the

9:41

name of the patient that I interviewed.

9:43

His buddy said hey, you need to go check

9:46

this out. There's a just a story right now

9:48

in the Orange County register like you need to

9:50

check this out And he did. And he tracked

9:52

down Allen and than a couple months later he

9:55

was in Germany. Had. To treatments

9:57

and the cancers. right?

9:59

And so. It's an incredible story, but

10:01

that is why. right? Now

10:03

it's gonna take years, probably

10:06

five years to get through

10:08

the bureaucracy before physicians know

10:10

everything about it, understand it,

10:13

and are recommending that treatment.

10:15

Simply. Because our healthcare system works

10:17

and it's insurance driven and be kind

10:20

of thing so long answer, but as

10:22

where it's at, right? It will

10:24

take five years through bureaucracy, but through

10:26

social media we can get the word

10:28

out now that there's other treatments. Then.

10:31

Chemo that are much more effective and it

10:33

sounds like has way less side effects. Cause

10:35

you were saying that the patient was hooked

10:37

up to an Id and he was like

10:40

i'm feeling gray. I don't feel sick like

10:42

the chemo and so let's talk about that.

10:44

Do not have those terrible side effects that

10:46

you normally have with chemotherapy. So.

10:49

Let's let's just kind of understand those types

10:51

of side effects: throwing up and losing your

10:53

hair bugs. Not because of the cancer. That's.

10:56

Because the medicine/please visit literally you know

10:58

controlled poison has been put in your

11:00

body. That's what causes low side effects.

11:02

So there's other things that cancer does

11:05

but a lot of times people don't

11:07

even know who. they don't feel that

11:09

they have oldest cancer, they get tested

11:11

and then they see that so a

11:13

lot of the side effects or or

11:15

from that so. Fairness. It's absolutely

11:17

does not have those same side effects because

11:19

it's not killing those healthy cells. So there's

11:22

a reason why. there's nothing side effects. It's

11:24

not just kind of like match role. You

11:26

just have to get all these terrible things.

11:28

What? When you're not putting that specific type

11:30

of poison, it's not killing those those types

11:33

of cells. You're not gonna have the side

11:35

effects. So we do see patients drowsy for

11:37

a couple days, a sometimes dry mouth since

11:39

honestly. but I'm in a very very benign

11:42

when it relates to other things. And and

11:44

at one of my favorite things about their

11:46

in. Ah, sticks and we've had this

11:48

conversation is that because you are

11:50

healthy and getting healthier cause you're

11:52

killing the cells. That. Are causing

11:55

terrible things in your body? It.

11:57

Unlocks all these other

11:59

one. things that you can

12:01

do as a person to be healthier.

12:03

And when you get cancer, breast cancer

12:06

and prostate cancer and all these types

12:08

of cancers, your body gets

12:10

hit. And you need particular specific

12:12

nutrition components. Your mental health is severely

12:14

affected. You have all these other things.

12:16

But if you're sick every day and

12:18

you're throwing up and your hair's falling

12:20

out, you don't care about what you're

12:22

eating. You don't care about some of these

12:24

other things because you're just trying to stay alive. And

12:27

that's one of the most exciting developments about

12:29

this is those lots of other effects not

12:32

only improve the quality of life, but open

12:34

up so many other things

12:37

for you to be healthier

12:39

than you were just before the

12:41

diagnosis, right? Yeah, that's incredible. So I

12:43

have a lot of listeners who are

12:45

going through cancer or family

12:48

members are going through cancer, they're trying

12:50

to educate themselves on, you know, what

12:52

to do. And so I'm sure they're thinking,

12:54

why in the world do we not

12:56

have this for every cancer then? And

12:58

so that's my next question is, does

13:01

therenostics work for every type of

13:03

cancer or only certain types? Every

13:06

type of cancer will be able to

13:08

be treated with therenostics because every

13:11

type of cancer has specific biomarkers.

13:14

And so like right now we're in a clinical trial with

13:16

12 different types of

13:18

cancer, breast cancer, colon cancer, brain

13:20

cancer, and not only cancers, other

13:23

types of conditions and sicknesses. So

13:25

yes, the answer is yes, there

13:27

are no six. The problem is

13:30

scientists and researchers have to

13:32

identify the biomarkers and

13:35

have to have the molecules

13:37

that bind only to those

13:39

biomarkers. So there's a process

13:41

and then the FDA takes

13:43

years of clinical trials. And

13:45

so here in the United States, it's just

13:47

going to take a while. Every

13:49

type of cancer, absolutely 100% will

13:52

be able to be treated because there are

13:54

biomarkers that are unique and we can understand

13:56

those things. It's just going to take some

13:58

time. And these treatments will

14:00

be available overseas before they're available here.

14:03

That's just the truth. And so we

14:05

take our patients wherever they need to

14:07

go in the world to get this.

14:09

And we have relationships with hospitals and

14:12

locations all around the world so that

14:14

when a patient comes to us, if

14:16

they're from Provo, Utah, or New York,

14:19

New York, or Beijing, oh,

14:21

I've got flashes happening because I think my life, really

14:23

exciting stuff. But no matter where they're

14:25

at, we're going to say, hey, here

14:27

is the most cutting edge science. Here's

14:29

the most cutting edge molecules and

14:32

isotopes and medication. We're going to get

14:34

you healthy. And here's what we're going

14:36

to do. So that is the current

14:38

state and kind of where it's at

14:40

in the life cycle of drug development

14:42

and research on R&D and all of those

14:45

things. That's why research is so important in

14:47

this field, because you got to

14:49

be in the lab doing the hard

14:51

work, identifying those biomarkers, identifying the molecules,

14:54

and really putting them together in a meaningful

14:56

way that saves lives. Okay, so

14:59

let's just clarify this for the listeners.

15:01

So is this diagnostics

15:04

available for every cancer overseas

15:06

right now? Or we're still developing the

15:08

process for all the different cancers? Yeah,

15:11

very much still in development. There's clinical

15:13

trials to just see if it's effective.

15:15

And then there's clinical trials for FDA

15:17

approval, right? So it's not available for

15:20

every cancer yet. We are treating many

15:22

different types of cancers in these clinical

15:24

trials, because that's what it is. It's

15:26

treating the patients and then tracking it

15:28

and doing all the documentation. So we're

15:30

seeing really good progress. But yes, it

15:32

is not available for every cancer yet.

15:34

Every couple months that is improving, and

15:36

we're getting more and more progress. And

15:38

so by the time somebody watches this,

15:40

if it's a couple months from now, there's going

15:42

to be new cancers being treated.

15:45

That is absolutely how fast it's moving.

15:47

It's just whether or not it's going

15:49

to be available here in the US

15:52

and paid by insurance. And that's one

15:54

of the biggest problems is how expensive

15:56

it is without insurance for

15:58

some of these cutting edge. types of treatments and

16:00

that's just kind of going through the process of insurance

16:03

and Medicare and FDA and all

16:05

of these components. Okay,

16:08

but here in the US, diagnostics

16:11

is approved for one type of cancer

16:13

so far, correct? Yeah,

16:16

when we say approved, it's important to understand

16:18

we are treating patients for breast cancer and

16:20

a bunch of other things, clinical trials here

16:22

in the States. When we

16:25

say approved by the FDA, you can get

16:27

it approved in lots of

16:29

different ways approved by the FDA allows

16:31

the government and Medicare to say we

16:33

will pay for it. We

16:35

will pay for that for a

16:37

stage four prostate cancer. That's the

16:40

only cancer that is approved and

16:42

paid for by insurance right now

16:44

is stage four prostate cancer. But

16:46

therenostics itself is being done for

16:49

many different types of cancers. You just have to

16:51

either pay cash or you have to qualify

16:53

for clinical trials and then if you qualify for

16:55

clinical trials, a lot of those costs are

16:57

taken care of for you but it's

17:00

just less of a proven method and

17:02

it's just the clinical trials are what

17:05

clinical trials are. And so

17:07

you have double blinded and all these different

17:09

areas. But certainly you can get

17:11

the treatment here. FDA approval

17:13

is more around insurance

17:16

and the general public feeling like,

17:18

okay, this is safe and it's

17:21

tested and those things. But there's

17:23

nuances to what FDA approval really

17:25

means and it's certainly

17:27

right now for prostate cancer, it's

17:29

around it being able to be paid

17:31

for by insurance. Okay, so this

17:33

is so interesting. I don't think most

17:35

Americans know this and like you said,

17:37

it's probably because of the bureaucracy and

17:39

we just haven't gotten the word out.

17:42

It's new. So let's say someone

17:44

has colon cancer. Let's just pick

17:47

one. They've got colon cancer and

17:49

they're like, wow, I want to try this

17:51

theragnostics out. Maybe this could help rather than

17:53

the terrible chemo I'm going through. Where

17:55

do they even start? Because if they just

17:58

went to their oncologist, is their oncologist. even

18:00

going to know what it is or

18:02

where to send them? Unfortunately,

18:04

the answer is it's so

18:07

unlikely that their oncologist or

18:09

their primary care physician even

18:11

knows that it exists. And I'm not

18:14

trying to be simplistic or minimizing it,

18:16

but literally we were on a call

18:18

yesterday. Frankie was instructing

18:20

fellows at Loma Linda

18:22

University, oncologists, surgical oncologists,

18:24

and they never have even heard of

18:26

it. You know,

18:28

so unfortunately it's going to be years because

18:31

physicians are not researchers, right? They are just

18:33

trying to help as many patients as they

18:35

can. And most of the time it's a

18:37

checklist. If you have this condition, here's who

18:39

we send you to. You know,

18:41

and it's just decided by

18:43

people higher up and insurance

18:47

and what they can bill and who will

18:49

pay for it makes a huge difference. I'm

18:51

not saying physicians are terrible and they're certainly

18:53

not dumb, but they do

18:56

not have the time to spend researching

18:58

all these cutting edge procedures and medicine.

19:00

They just don't have the time. Right

19:02

now our system's overburdened and so it's

19:04

a product of the system. So that

19:06

is why you can come onto our

19:08

website, provatohealth.com and literally fill out the

19:10

form and say, here's what kind

19:12

of cancer I have, here's what it is, and

19:15

we will have a conversation with you and really

19:17

help you understand, hey, this is a clinical trial

19:19

that you can be a part of, or we

19:21

can treat you in Australia, or we can treat

19:23

you in Loma Linda or

19:25

in Las Vegas or whatever. So we

19:27

are the experts in Theranostics. I will

19:30

not be humble and say that is

19:32

not our jam. We are absolutely experts

19:35

in Theranostics and the cutting edge science.

19:37

We're doing our own research. We're involved

19:39

in a bunch of clinical trials. So

19:41

there's probably no organization that knows more

19:43

about it than Provato Health because it's

19:45

our only focus. That's all we do.

19:47

And so that's what I would say.

19:49

And here's what's even worse, Karlyn, and

19:52

Bill Power has the same experience. We talk about it

19:54

on my interview with him. They're

19:57

probably going to get a response from

19:59

them. saying, oh, that's junk, or

20:01

that's too experimental, or that's not even

20:03

been proven. So not only is it

20:05

probably neutral, there's a huge percentage

20:08

of the time where they're going to say, hey, I found this

20:10

new thing, and they're going to go, that's crazy.

20:13

Just stick with what we know. Well,

20:15

no, that's not good enough. Like

20:18

60 years ago, we were doing the exact

20:20

same thing for cancer. Like it's just not

20:22

good enough. And the good

20:24

thing is we do have really, really great

20:26

opportunities out there. But yeah,

20:28

go to the website, do research, Google it.

20:31

There's tons of really good resources. We try

20:33

to compile a lot of good

20:35

resources on our website so that you can

20:37

just see what's happening and whatnot.

20:40

But there's a lot of good information

20:42

out there. But right now, it's on

20:44

the patient and their families and their

20:46

friends to really be able to have

20:48

that, because they're probably not going to get it from

20:50

their physicians yet. Wow. I always

20:52

tell people you've got to educate

20:54

yourself to empower yourself. And here's

20:56

another example of educate yourself

20:59

of all the options that are out there,

21:01

because your doctor may not know about them.

21:03

And so I have quite a few more

21:06

questions. But first of all, so if people have

21:08

a cancer that they want to try this, they're

21:10

agnostic. They're going to go to your website and

21:12

fill out the clinical forms. But can

21:15

they fill it out if it's

21:17

even like a rare cancer, like

21:19

let's say bile duct cancer or

21:21

esophagus cancer? I mean, I've been hearing about

21:23

weird cancers lately. Can any type of cancer

21:25

fill this form out? And you guys will

21:27

help put them in a clinical study or

21:29

something? If there's a clinical trial, and

21:32

we will do the research to understand if that's

21:34

not something we're already doing, if somebody else is

21:36

doing it, yes, absolutely. We will figure that out.

21:39

It's just more around, we can

21:41

be a resource to you. We can be a

21:43

second opinion, a first opinion, a third opinion. But

21:46

we have a team who is

21:48

ready to have those conversations. And

21:51

there may not be a trial with

21:53

a brand new type of cancer. Unfortunately,

21:56

that may not be something. But

21:58

there are sometimes biomarkers. We're

22:00

seeing biomarkers that work on many different

22:03

types of cancers. So even if there

22:05

wasn't a specific cancer that had its

22:07

own clinical trial, it might be similar

22:09

to breast cancer or colon cancer or

22:12

something else where the similar biomarker will

22:14

work. Because I

22:16

think what's really important, if

22:18

we start thinking about a paradigm shift,

22:20

it's not about, oh, you have breast

22:23

cancer. So we're going to chop off

22:25

body parts and hope it kills that

22:27

cancer. It's about what type

22:29

of cells do you have

22:31

that are positive for specific types. And

22:33

that's really the future of cancer care.

22:36

It's not labeling it around the body parts

22:39

that we're going to chop off or try

22:41

to remove or whatever. Let's take

22:43

it at the cellular level. And

22:45

at the cellular level, it doesn't matter

22:47

what you're calling it, prostate or breast or

22:49

whatever, there's going to be consistencies around

22:51

there. And that's really the future of

22:53

that precision oncology is at

22:55

that cellular level. And

22:58

so a lot of these cells and cancer

23:00

cells are derivatives of others

23:02

and have similar biomarkers

23:04

and ways that we can target

23:06

them. Okay, so let's talk

23:09

about these biomarkers. So let's

23:11

say someone has colon cancer. Before

23:14

they do diagnostics, they have to go in

23:16

and get their biomarkers

23:19

tested, correct, to see what is going on

23:21

in their body. But will

23:24

all colon cancer people have the same

23:26

biomarkers or no? Yeah, so

23:28

there's different types of tests that you can

23:30

do, blood tests and different types of things.

23:32

But let me just give you an example

23:35

of prostate cancer. So with prostate cancer, you

23:37

have a PSA level. And that's just a

23:39

blood test that says how much PSA do

23:41

you have in your body, right? But then

23:44

there's something new that is

23:47

using that very specific biomarker

23:49

called PFMA. So prostate

23:51

specific membrane antigen. And we have to do

23:53

a PSMA PET CT. And

23:55

remember, that is already pharaonostics because

23:58

that's the first half of it, the... diagnostic

24:00

side of things. We like to say, we treat

24:03

what we see, and we see what we

24:05

treat. And so that diagnostics

24:07

part is a really important part of it.

24:09

In every cancer, there's going to be different

24:11

types of things. You can do biopsies, or

24:13

you can do blood tests, or you can

24:15

do advanced PFMA PET CTs, or different types

24:17

of biomarker CTs. And so there's lots of

24:19

different ways to find that out. But the

24:22

diagnostic part is the first stage, right? Before

24:24

you're even treated, because that's what

24:27

helps you understand, let's say you

24:29

have prostate cancer, and

24:31

you have advanced PSA levels,

24:34

and you get this PSMA PET CT, and you

24:39

find out it's nowhere else in the

24:41

body. That's amazing news. That is phenomenal

24:43

news. But if

24:45

you do a biopsy on your prostate, and you have

24:47

a ton of cancer in that prostate, and

24:50

the answer is, okay, well, let's do hormone

24:52

therapy, or let's remove that prostate, but you

24:54

never went to the next stage and did

24:56

a PSMA PET CT, and now it's in

24:58

your bones and in your brain, and nobody

25:00

even knew it, because they weren't even looking

25:02

for it. Well, then all of a

25:04

sudden, you have these situations where people are like, oh,

25:06

my PSA went down

25:08

after surgery, because we removed a

25:11

big chunk of it. But now

25:13

it's way back up, because you didn't get

25:15

it all. It didn't just magically come back.

25:17

You didn't get it all in the first

25:19

place. And that's where you're

25:21

seeing more and more tests, and

25:24

more and more of the specialty

25:27

medication and different type of radioactive

25:29

isotopes that can come in and

25:31

really help identify where you actually

25:33

have the cancer. And then you

25:35

can make sure that you're treating

25:38

it in the most efficient, best

25:40

way, as opposed to chopping off

25:42

a breast because you think it's

25:45

only going to be localized there. And

25:47

so it's just really important that you

25:49

have all the knowledge and all

25:51

the information so that your physician and you

25:54

can make the right decision. And

25:56

that's what this is about, more data so

25:59

you can make better decisions. about your own health. Okay,

26:01

so I know my listeners are thinking,

26:03

okay, let's talk about breast cancer. So

26:06

you figured out the certain biomarkers so that

26:08

you can target just those bad cells, not

26:11

the good cells. And so is there

26:14

agnostic going to target those bad cells

26:17

throughout the entire body, not just in

26:19

the breast? Exactly. It's

26:22

exactly right. The cells are the problem,

26:24

not the breast, not even

26:26

the lumps, right? There are very

26:29

specific tumors that you can make

26:31

benign by having the dangerous cells

26:33

killed, right? And maybe you still

26:35

have to have the removed, maybe

26:37

it still makes sense. But it

26:40

absolutely, that is the difference. It's

26:42

about finding them all over the

26:44

body, right? And understanding where you

26:46

have that so that you know what to

26:48

do. Not only do you know what to

26:50

do, but you can actually kill that, right?

26:52

You can kill the cells all over the

26:54

body. And maybe you're not having to do

26:56

surgery. And maybe you're not having to do

26:59

some of these really other types

27:01

of treatments that are just really, really hard

27:03

on the body because it's not treating the

27:05

problem. It's just trying to

27:08

spread out all of the and just try

27:10

to hit as much as you can hoping

27:12

you also kill the cancer. And we just

27:14

were better than that. Now, right,

27:16

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27:19

we have better diagnostics, that just

27:21

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28:51

I have a question because like you said, the

28:53

oncologists are going to be like, oh, we don't

28:55

have enough science on this. We don't have enough

28:57

data. But yet it's been in Europe for years.

29:00

So we do have the science on it. But

29:02

also, let's talk about how effective it is.

29:04

We haven't touched upon that. Is

29:06

this effective or the oncologists don't think

29:09

it's effective? And that's why they don't

29:11

like it. What are your thoughts? Yeah,

29:13

absolutely. The numbers are there. And

29:16

those numbers are improving every day. If I gave

29:18

you a number right now, it

29:20

would be less than what it's

29:22

going to be in the near future because

29:24

there's just more and more clinical trials happening.

29:27

Absolutely, it is more effective. Like for prostate,

29:29

which is what we have the most data

29:32

on because we have we've been treating it

29:34

the longest and whatever. You're

29:36

talking about 88% success versus like 27%

29:38

success when you're talking about like stage

29:43

four. So massive difference when

29:45

it comes to the effectiveness.

29:49

But like for instance, when you label something when

29:51

you cure cancer, it's

29:53

that there's been no reoccurrence of cancer

29:55

for five years. That's

29:58

like the very specific way to measure that. Well,

30:00

if you're just treating a patient two years ago,

30:02

three years ago, four years ago, you're not even

30:04

going to, you know, even if they do not

30:07

have a cancer, you can't say that it's cured,

30:09

right? Because just of the time and those things.

30:12

So really, it's around not

30:14

having the cancer anymore, and the survival

30:16

rate and the success rate and the

30:18

quality of life. There's all these other

30:20

metrics that people really care about. It's

30:22

not just surviving. If you're horrible

30:25

and you feel terrible every day, who wants

30:27

that? It's also, do

30:30

you feel better? Is your quality of life?

30:32

Can you enjoy yourself? That's why a

30:34

lot of people, they'll get the reoccurrence, they'll go

30:36

through chemo and they'll do all the different things.

30:39

And they have a couple good years and then

30:41

it comes back and they're like, screw it. I'm

30:43

not doing it again. I'm not going through that

30:45

again, because the quality of life just didn't justify

30:47

adding more time to that.

30:50

And that's, that is quickly going away,

30:52

right? We have all these articles of

30:55

people getting cancer younger and all of

30:57

these things we see this almost every

30:59

day. Well, the universe

31:01

is providing a counterbalance to that, which

31:04

is this really wonderful cutting edge way

31:06

to treat really, really tough things that

31:08

are happening in your body. And we're

31:10

only getting better. It's only

31:12

getting better as we start combining multiple types

31:15

of treatments and you

31:17

start combining nutrition and fitness and

31:19

all of these other things that we know are so

31:21

important to somebody's health. Well, if they're

31:24

important to somebody's health, they're really important to someone

31:26

with cancer, right? So

31:29

that's why all of these things are

31:31

happening and yeah, really important. Okay.

31:33

Wait a second. You said 88% effective

31:36

for stage four prostate cancer,

31:38

but were you implying 27%

31:41

effective with

31:43

chemotherapy? Yeah. So when

31:45

we talk about stage four prostate cancer,

31:48

kind of a death sentence, stage four

31:50

prostate cancer, the

31:52

word is progression free survival.

31:55

That is the term before

31:57

curing, right? Is progression free

31:59

survival? survival, right? For

32:02

the last couple hundred patients that

32:04

Frankie has treated, we're at an 88% success

32:07

rate, right? And that

32:10

is when you're almost dead. That's

32:12

when stage four, almost dead. We're

32:14

now starting to do it earlier,

32:16

stage one, stage two, right? Where

32:18

we all know when you catch

32:20

cancer early and you start treating it

32:22

earlier, it's better for you, right? But

32:24

because of FDA restrictions and some of

32:26

these other things, it's been limited for

32:28

hundreds of patients to stage four, right?

32:31

And so when you have stage four and

32:33

you're doing chemo and you're almost dead, you

32:35

get stage four and the

32:37

survival rate is like 20% to

32:40

30%. It's just not great. And

32:43

so you're seeing a huge

32:45

contrast and we'll have more data.

32:47

I want to be, I'm not

32:49

up here trying to sell the

32:51

world on Theranostics. You want to

32:53

use data, but the data is there,

32:56

right? And we're getting more and more

32:58

data every single month. And it's really

33:00

exciting. And you're getting phase one, phase

33:03

two, phase three trials, multiple drug companies,

33:05

multiple type of medication. So

33:07

you're seeing these things happen and

33:10

there's more and more data because more and more patients

33:12

are being treated with this and going through that process.

33:14

Okay. A 27% effectiveness rate versus an 88% effectiveness rate

33:16

is huge. So why in the world

33:22

are we not like screaming this from the

33:24

rooftops? And why doesn't everybody know about this?

33:26

And why don't doctors yet know about this?

33:29

I know you said bureaucracy, but we're

33:31

not talking like a 25% versus a 30%. We're talking huge

33:33

differences. This

33:37

is where I want people to do their

33:39

own research, right? How many

33:41

oncologists make their money from chemo?

33:43

Just do the research of how they get paid. And

33:46

what I'm not going to say our doctors are bad,

33:48

not going to say that, but they

33:50

have families too. They have jobs

33:52

they need to support. If they know

33:54

that this chemo is going to help them at

33:56

maybe stage one, stage two or stage three, and

33:58

it's It's just what they've always done and they

34:00

know they're going to be paid on it. They

34:03

don't need to fight with anybody about those things.

34:05

There's a lot of factors. I

34:07

would just say do the research and understand

34:09

why the bureaucracy. But it's also

34:11

important to understand, you know,

34:13

everyone here knows a doctor. They're

34:16

not in the lab every day researching it.

34:19

They don't get paid for that. Like, that's not what

34:21

they do. And so they're not going

34:23

to know about those things. A lot of

34:25

physicians work for hospital

34:27

systems. They don't make their

34:29

own decisions. They are there

34:31

to treat patients and to help them understand their

34:33

options. Those options

34:36

are very specific to what that

34:38

hospital system allows, what

34:40

the insurance plans have been negotiated. Like

34:42

that's just the truth. It's just the facts,

34:45

right? And so that is why really

34:47

good, wonderful doctors have never heard

34:50

about this treatment because

34:52

it's just not the system

34:55

that we live in where they have time

34:57

to do their own research and

34:59

understand all the different things. And even if they did,

35:02

if they're employed by a system, they couldn't recommend

35:04

it anyways. I mean, it's just, it is what

35:06

it is. Well, this is fascinating.

35:08

I mean, everybody needs to think

35:10

about that. But this new diagnostics,

35:12

I think is absolutely mind blowing.

35:14

I think it's the way that

35:16

we will go with, you

35:19

know, treating cancers and things like that.

35:21

And everybody who's dealing with cancer should

35:23

definitely look into it. Let's talk about

35:25

the center that you have in Las

35:27

Vegas. So it's called Provado Health, correct?

35:30

And what happens in Provado Health? Like can

35:32

anybody with any cancer go there? Is it

35:34

only for certain cancers? Tell us about your

35:36

center in Las Vegas. So

35:38

we have a temporary, you know, location

35:40

here in Las Vegas. We're building an

35:42

international center of excellence for Therinostics where

35:44

we're doing research and clinical trials and

35:46

treating patients. And, but that's still under

35:48

construction. You know, it's probably about six

35:51

months out. So we're hoping by the

35:53

end of 2024 that we will have

35:55

that, but we are still treating patients.

35:57

It's just not in our own location. And then

35:59

we've got local... locations, partnership locations in

36:02

California. And so what we're

36:04

planning on doing in Las Vegas and what we

36:06

are doing in Las Vegas is so

36:08

that anyone with cancer can come

36:10

in and have general

36:14

oncology if the theranostics isn't

36:16

available or have these

36:18

different specialties and get an opinion

36:21

from everyone in one day that

36:24

they can have this understand what truly

36:27

are their options. And

36:29

it's not going to be based on a very specific

36:31

insurance. It's not going to be based on a very

36:33

specific hospital plan. It's going to

36:36

be, here's all the cutting edge science.

36:38

Here are your options. And

36:40

so that is absolutely our focus

36:42

is on the theranostics center

36:44

of excellence and bringing more theranostics

36:47

treatment because it's just superior to

36:49

other types of treatments often, right?

36:51

One thing in particular, theranostics is

36:53

really good for metastatic

36:55

cancer that is throughout the body,

36:58

right? There's some really good localized

37:02

ways to treat cancer if it has not

37:04

spread, right? Sometimes surgery is just the best

37:06

way. And so that is

37:08

what an important thing is to really understand

37:11

not based on the restrictions of

37:13

a hospital system or the restrictions

37:15

of an insurance plan, here are

37:17

all your options. And

37:19

here's what is the best path for you. And

37:21

that's why we're working on trying to build nonprofits

37:24

and all these different things

37:26

so that there's just less financial

37:28

restrictions and barriers and less

37:30

knowledge barriers. And so that's

37:32

what we're doing in Vegas. That's what we plan

37:34

on doing. And we're really excited about that. Unfortunately,

37:37

things just take a while to do,

37:39

but we are doing that already in

37:42

multiple locations. We don't need the specific

37:44

location for that. If you go to

37:46

provotlhealth.com, you fill out a form, even

37:48

if you don't know, or it's a family member,

37:51

whatever, you'll get that type of information. It doesn't

37:53

matter where you're at, right? We can do telehealth

37:55

and we can do the tests and we can

37:57

do all those different things. an

38:00

important understanding. People, they don't need

38:02

to wait for the building

38:04

in Vegas to be done or those things,

38:07

because we're signing contracts for locations

38:09

all over the country. We're just

38:11

in the process of doing that, to try to

38:13

make it more accessible and easier to get to.

38:15

Because some people can't travel. Some people are so

38:18

sick, they can't travel. So we've got to try

38:20

to have options for them to

38:22

get the tests and to get the treatments closer to

38:24

where they're at. That's incredible. This

38:26

is so amazing what you're creating. So

38:28

the buildings are not actually built and

38:30

done yet, but all the things that

38:32

will someday be at the building are

38:35

done online through filling out your form

38:37

and telehealth or sending them to other

38:39

clinical studies, even overseas, things

38:41

like that. And so thank you for

38:43

explaining that, but I still have just

38:45

a couple more questions. We haven't talked

38:48

about if this diagnostics is only for

38:50

adults or if it's for

38:53

kids, elderly, like is it

38:55

for all ages? It's really

38:57

based on the type of cancer that you have.

38:59

Young kids are not getting prostate

39:01

cancer. That is something that is

39:03

more advanced. But there

39:05

are brain cancer and

39:07

lots of different types of cancer that kids

39:09

get. So absolutely, this is not for whether

39:12

it's kids or adults or elderly, it's about

39:14

the type of cancer that that

39:16

human has. Whether they are a

39:19

year old or a hundred years old,

39:21

it's more around do we have the

39:23

biomarkers and the molecules

39:25

that bind to those biomarkers for

39:28

that specific cancer that they have. And like

39:30

I said, the science is evolving every day

39:33

and we're having more and more clinical trials. So

39:36

it certainly is for everyone. It's not

39:38

just for the elderly or adults. Okay,

39:40

good to know it because I

39:42

know listeners will ask that, but

39:44

you've talked about Dr. Frankie is what you

39:46

call him. I mean, you've talked about him

39:49

a couple of times. And so explain who

39:51

he is. Is he the founder

39:53

of this or he's just promoting this? What

39:55

is his role in this? Yeah,

39:57

so he's an MD, PhD. He's

40:00

on staff down at Loma Linda

40:02

University down in Southern California. He

40:05

isn't the founder of Therinostics. He's

40:07

not the founder of the science.

40:09

He does have some patents for

40:11

specific molecules patent pending, you know,

40:13

for breast cancer in particular. So

40:15

he is one of the foremost

40:17

authorities on the subject. You

40:19

know, it's not a patent on Therinostics.

40:22

It's like individual drugs and individual things.

40:24

That's what people can have patents on

40:26

and molecules. So he's not the

40:28

founder of it. It's not his invention. He's

40:31

just one of the foremost authorities. And

40:34

we believe he's treated more patients in the

40:36

United States than any other person in the

40:38

United States. I mean, he's just been doing

40:40

it for that long and is on the

40:42

cutting edge. So he's the lead researcher for

40:45

lots of different clinical trials. He is

40:47

just all in on this in a

40:49

way that most other people are just

40:51

not at all. Right. And

40:53

so that's his role. I had provado

40:56

health before Frankie came along and

40:58

we were helping develop outpatient

41:01

surgical centers and different types of

41:03

outpatient facilities. I was

41:06

introduced to him because he wanted to

41:08

build his international

41:11

Therinostics Center of Excellence in Las Vegas.

41:15

And he thought that it was, you know,

41:17

just a wonderful place to do that. And

41:19

that's why we were introduced because we're based in Las

41:22

Vegas. And you know,

41:24

we fell in love from a business

41:26

sense. I was absolutely captivated by

41:28

what he was doing. And

41:31

every day I was like, this is incredible. At

41:33

first I was like, this is not real. This

41:36

is not true. I was absolutely

41:38

a cynic. And the more people I met,

41:40

the more patients I talked to, the more

41:42

understood about science. I was like, whoa, this

41:44

is real. This is incredible.

41:47

We just nobody here knows about it. But

41:50

it's being done all around the world. And Frankie

41:52

is an expert in that. He's a rock star

41:54

in the industry. When you go

41:56

to different types of nuclear medicine conferences

41:59

and all that stuff, it's all the major companies,

42:01

they all know Frankie. So it's the

42:03

most incredible thing I've ever been a part

42:05

of professionally and personally. I'm so

42:07

grateful to have met him. He's an

42:09

amazing person. He's so wonderful. I

42:11

can't wait for you to interview him. I think

42:14

you need to interview him and just really get

42:16

to the science. You're gonna absolutely love him. He's

42:18

a genius teddy bear. I mean, he's just wonderful.

42:21

It's incredible. So that's Frankie. And

42:23

he's just continuing to grow when it

42:26

comes to people knowing who he

42:28

is and what he's doing and the science behind

42:30

it. He sounds incredible. Like

42:32

you said, I would love to interview

42:34

him. I just really admire

42:37

people that their career is

42:39

to help people. I mean, he is devoting

42:41

his life to this new research and getting

42:43

more data and more clinical studies to help

42:45

more people. And he is out there trying

42:47

to save lives. And so I

42:49

love what he's doing, but I think it was meant to be

42:51

that you two met up. And

42:54

like you said, we are going to get the

42:56

word out there so that we can save thousands

42:58

of lives because just like

43:00

anything out there, there are multiple choices.

43:02

I always do on my Instagram, like

43:04

good, better, best. And this is a

43:06

perfect example that there are good, better

43:08

and best treatments out there for the

43:10

cancer. And maybe this is now the

43:12

best rather than some of these

43:14

older options. And so

43:17

thank you so much for talking about this

43:19

and being on this podcast. What

43:22

though do you wish that

43:24

all people knew about cancer?

43:27

That there's an incredible amount of

43:30

research and innovation happening right now.

43:33

Like we said before, lots of people are

43:35

gonna read articles that say, oh,

43:37

people are getting it at 40 and 50. And

43:40

it's happening younger and you need to get tested

43:42

earlier. Just know that

43:44

there are thousands of

43:47

scientists and researchers and billions of

43:49

dollars going into things that

43:51

are working and exciting.

43:54

And I know around cancer every day. So

43:56

it's a little bit scary because it's like, oh,

43:58

you're reading all these articles. and all these terrible

44:01

things, but I'm also incredibly

44:03

optimistic at what is happening in the

44:05

field. And

44:07

it's not a coincidence. There's

44:09

things that started happening 20 years

44:11

ago and 10 years ago and

44:13

five years ago. There's very specific

44:15

reasons why these innovations are happening.

44:18

And maybe there's a bigger plan involved, who knows?

44:21

But the whole point is that there's wonderful things

44:23

advanced, but we don't need to be scared around

44:27

this unknown cancer

44:29

that's just going to kill everybody and it's killing

44:32

younger. We have a counterbalance to that.

44:35

And there are an army

44:37

of researchers and physicians and

44:39

wonderful people that are

44:42

bringing these to life. That's

44:44

what I want people to know about cancer right now. I

44:46

am so glad you said that because actually

44:48

I read an article the other day, it

44:50

was asking people what their top thing that

44:52

they are afraid of in life. And

44:55

one of the top things was cancer. And

44:58

so cancer is a really scary word. And so

45:00

I love that you are saying that you're optimistic

45:02

about it, that there's hope, that there's healing out

45:04

there and not to be afraid of it. Before

45:07

we wrap up our show, though, is

45:10

there anything that I've missed asking

45:12

you about diagnostics that you think is important

45:14

for people to understand or did we hit

45:16

it all? At least the basics, I

45:19

should say. Yeah, I think we covered it.

45:21

You're an excellent interviewer and you certainly knew

45:23

what to ask. There's lots to research. There's

45:25

lots of resources. That's the number one thing

45:27

I want people to do is find

45:30

out about this. Understand

45:32

what your options are. We try to make

45:34

it easy by having lots of articles and

45:37

research and information on our website. But find

45:39

out. Don't leave this because every listener that

45:41

listens to this knows somebody with cancer, knows

45:44

somebody who's going to get cancer. Like it's

45:46

just 100% of the people. So

45:49

educate yourself. Be the person, the

45:51

daughter, the wife, the son or

45:53

whatever that has a solution. Look

45:56

grandpa, look sister, look about

45:58

this new stuff. that's happening all

46:00

over the world and be

46:02

that person. Oh, I love that so

46:05

much. And you know what I love about this

46:07

also, we didn't really touch upon it. You did

46:09

a little bit, but you taught

46:11

what diagnostics was, but then you've

46:13

also taught that your provado and

46:15

your company will be very much so.

46:17

Look, there's nutrition involved. There's lifestyle factors

46:20

that are involved. There's lots of things

46:22

in keeping your body healthy, whether you're

46:24

going through cancer or not, but especially

46:27

while you're going through cancer. And

46:29

we could do a whole podcast on that because

46:31

I think that's really important for

46:33

people to understand is that you've got to

46:36

treat the whole body during these treatments

46:38

as well. Absolutely. We

46:40

call it whole health here and there's lots to

46:42

learn. There's lots to develop. We're in the process.

46:45

It's one of the reasons why you and

46:48

I met was because of the nutrition side

46:50

of things. And yeah, I mean, absolutely. It's

46:52

very exciting. I'm incredibly optimistic at being able

46:54

to help patients right now. Unfortunately, if you

46:57

get cancer and you go to the oncologist,

46:59

they're going to help you kill that cancer.

47:02

They're probably not going to do much more. They're not

47:04

going to give you a fitness plan. They're not going

47:06

to give you nutrition guidance. They're not going to help

47:08

you with your mental health. And if they do,

47:10

it's one thing. We've identified

47:12

seven areas around whole

47:14

health and you're right. It's a whole other

47:16

podcast and hopefully we can have that discussion

47:18

at some point. That's

47:21

what fires me up about it is that these

47:24

new types of treatments don't

47:26

decimate your body when they're killing the cancer,

47:28

which allows you to be able to say,

47:30

oh man, yoga, yoga in particular is really

47:33

good for men with prostate cancer, right?

47:35

How many 67 year old guys are doing

47:38

yoga? They're just not, but

47:40

we're trying to help them understand. This

47:42

is why it's great. And there's so much data

47:44

and research. There's so much

47:46

really good research around all those

47:49

areas, nutrition and fitness and mental

47:51

health. And there's just incredible amounts.

47:53

And so we're trying to normalize

47:55

that. Let's normalize a

47:58

treatment plan that takes into account. a

48:00

patient, not just the cancer. And

48:02

that's one of the things that I hope that

48:05

Provado Health is known for, is this full 360

48:07

degree view of cancer and

48:10

of patients with cancer. And

48:12

I hope that that's what we are known

48:15

for, not just therenostics, but everything

48:17

that is possible when treating a patient,

48:19

when you have that type of view

48:21

from the very beginning. Today,

48:23

you're gonna get your IV, tomorrow you're gonna

48:26

meet with your psychologist, and then you're gonna meet

48:28

with your nutritionist, and then your personal trainer. And

48:30

it's just, this is the way it is because

48:32

we know this is what's gonna help you. Gets

48:34

me fired up, I'm really excited about it. Well,

48:37

I absolutely love that treatment plan, like how you're

48:40

going to help people, because I have to

48:42

tell you, this is a little side note, my

48:44

followers on Instagram heard me sort of vent

48:46

about this on Instagram the other day, but I

48:48

don't know if you saw this, so I'm

48:50

gonna tell you and everybody listening, this is why

48:52

I think it's so important for people to educate

48:55

themselves so that they can empower themselves to

48:57

ask the right questions, figure out what

48:59

they want, things like that,

49:01

because I spoke at a cancer convention last

49:04

week and spoke to thousands of people,

49:06

and afterwards there was this panel where

49:08

they could ask doctors and dieticians questions,

49:12

and these cancer patients are just

49:14

so hungry for so much information because

49:16

they've hit rock bottom, they just want

49:18

any help they can. And

49:20

one patient asked, I'll just finish

49:22

chemo, well, I finished chemo about a

49:24

year ago, and I'm still having digestive

49:26

issues, is there anything I can do

49:28

for that? And the doctor

49:30

responded with, well, not really,

49:33

that just is a side effect of chemo and

49:35

just something you'll have to deal with. And I

49:37

was like ready to pull my hair out because

49:39

I was like, oh my gosh, there's so many

49:42

things you can do to help your digestive tract

49:44

and your gut. And then the next

49:46

lady asked, I've been reading a lot about

49:48

the microbiome, can you tell me how this

49:51

plays a role? And they

49:53

answered, well, we don't have

49:55

enough science on the microbiome yet, so we

49:57

don't really know how that plays a role.

50:00

I again was like, okay,

50:03

we don't even have to talk about the cancer side

50:05

with the microbiome, but we can talk about how you

50:07

need to help your immune system while you're

50:09

going through chemotherapy and taking care of

50:11

your gut and your microbiome will play

50:13

a huge role in your immunity. It

50:15

will help with your energy. And

50:18

so I was like, oh

50:20

my gosh, people, you have to

50:22

educate yourself because the doctors

50:24

don't know it all. They don't know the

50:26

nutrition, they don't know everything. And I'm not

50:28

knocking doctors by any means because

50:31

my dad was a doctor and

50:33

my sister and sister-in-laws are nurses

50:35

and I'm very thankful for them

50:37

and for the role that Western

50:39

medicine plays. But it was very

50:41

eyeopening to me that we have

50:43

to be educated as people when

50:46

going through any illness. I

50:48

have a moral imperative. I feel

50:50

a moral imperative to take

50:52

that holistic 360 approach because

50:55

they're not getting in anywhere else. And

50:58

if we can interview the best nutritionists

51:00

on the planet and the best fitness

51:02

experts in mental health and

51:05

understand how the

51:07

lens of a cancer patient and

51:10

do that, that's a hill I will

51:12

die on. Physicians are experts. There's

51:14

only so much capacity to understand and

51:16

to be able to treat all these

51:18

different things. So it's not like a

51:21

physician to know

51:23

everything. That's just not even

51:25

possible, right? So it's okay that they don't know

51:27

that. It doesn't make them a bad person. It

51:29

doesn't make them an idiot. It doesn't make them

51:31

any of those things. They're very, very good at

51:34

very specific things. They can't be good at everything.

51:36

It's just impossible. So one

51:39

of the things we're trying to do at Provado is let's

51:41

bring experts in all

51:43

those different areas and work together for

51:46

the patient because that's

51:48

crazy to say, nope, there's

51:51

nothing we can do about that. That's

51:53

crazy. Everybody understands that that's crazy, right?

51:56

But we've got to figure that out and we're going

51:58

to. We're going to figure that out. out. Well

52:01

Chad thank you so much for being

52:03

here. I am so excited to air

52:05

this podcast and get the word out

52:08

there about other treatments for cancer. I

52:11

really appreciate you taking the time being

52:13

here. I always end my podcast with

52:16

asking my guests what they think is

52:18

the best ingredient in life. What would

52:20

you say it is? Well

52:22

I think that it's about

52:24

an optimistic approach for learning,

52:28

being excited about learning and

52:30

understanding and not having too

52:32

many filters or middleman

52:34

between you and the truth. We

52:37

see that in medicine. We

52:40

see that in lots of different flourishing

52:42

fields. Don't let too many people be

52:44

between you and the truth. Put in

52:46

the work, understand and that's in

52:49

every aspect of your life. I think it's

52:51

too easy to go, well this person

52:53

said this and so I guess I'm just going to take

52:55

it like that. The

52:58

optimistic pursuit of knowledge

53:01

is what fuels me every day and makes

53:03

me excited. I

53:05

would say that's what I was saying. The

53:07

best ingredient of life. I

53:09

love that so much especially for those

53:12

that are struggling with cancer. That is

53:14

a perfect ingredient for them. Remind

53:16

my followers where they can learn more

53:18

about you because you mentioned the website

53:20

but are you on social media as

53:22

well? The company is

53:24

on social media, Instagram and all the social

53:26

medias and LinkedIn. I'm only on LinkedIn. I

53:29

can only handle so much social media. I'm

53:32

on LinkedIn but our company is everywhere.

53:34

provadohealth.com, that's a really good place to

53:36

start because we've got a YouTube channel.

53:38

We've got all these different things but

53:40

it's all consolidated there on the website.

53:42

You can see patient testimonials and read

53:44

about the science and learn about Frankie

53:46

and all of those

53:48

kinds of things. We try to consolidate

53:50

that to be a nice resource for

53:52

this incredibly new field

53:54

of medicine. We're on

53:56

all the socials and we're trying to improve and get

53:59

out of it. on more and more

54:01

of those socials, but proautohealth.com is

54:03

probably the best place to start. Okay,

54:06

great. Also, for those that are listening,

54:08

go to that website because they do

54:10

have a little video on there that

54:12

explains their agnostics so well. And so

54:14

you could just share that video with

54:17

whoever is dealing with the cancer and

54:19

it gives a great explanation as to

54:21

how it kills the cancer cells and

54:23

it's very basic and not overwhelming and

54:26

does a great job with the science.

54:28

And so start there, share this podcast

54:30

with others, share their website with others

54:32

because like Chad said, we

54:34

all know someone dealing with cancer and

54:37

maybe we are the missing link that will

54:39

give them the hope or the healing that

54:41

they need. And so thank you again so

54:43

much, Chad, for being here. We really appreciate

54:46

it. Thank you so much, Karlyn. Thank

54:48

you so much. I appreciate it. Thank

54:54

you so much for listening. Remember to

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