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4:44

a lot in interviews. what

4:46

what some of your most favorite guests? I have to

4:48

say, g, Edward Griffin, is

4:51

is on that list because on that

4:53

short List because of his

4:55

legendary career in waking

4:57

people up. The creature of Jekyll

4:59

Island woke up people about the Fed

5:01

and the documentaries he's done outing

5:04

public education, all

5:06

of these things. A very important interview with

5:08

Norman Dodd, the important interviews with

5:10

the KGB defectors you

5:12

name it. He's been there and he's

5:14

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and that is November the twelfth coming

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up. And I'm so happy to have you on the

5:26

show, Ed. Again, how are you?

5:28

thank you, Kate. Thanks for inviting me, and I'm

5:30

doing well. Good. I've had a little

5:33

bout of illness that some people

5:35

would have described it

5:37

as the COVID and all that thing. Mhmm. I

5:39

think it was just a slightly weaponized

5:41

version of the flu. Me too, but

5:44

I'm recovering. It's good. It's

5:46

good. I'm so glad to hear that. A

5:48

little bit short of breath. Oh,

5:50

I am. Sorry. But you should have seen me

5:52

a couple of months ago. Really?

5:55

That was in bad shape. Oh, no.

5:57

No. We can drop that issue now.

5:59

We're doing really well Thank you.

6:01

I'm looking forward to going to the Red Pill

6:03

Expo here in a couple

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of days, and so that would

6:08

be pretty strenuous. So I think I'm up to it.

6:10

I think I hope so. I hope so. We'll

6:12

put you in our prayers for sure. And

6:13

I I hope so. And I I'm glad you're doing well. You're

6:15

ninety one years old. I can't believe it.

6:18

I

6:19

can't believe it is. I

6:21

made a mistake somewhere. Don't

6:23

we all feel that way? Oh, gosh. ninety

6:26

one. You just had your ninetieth birthday

6:28

last year and I couldn't believe it because, you

6:30

know, you don't look it, you don't sound it. I

6:32

mean, it's just you've had this amazing

6:34

career you're still going strong and doing

6:36

all of these things at the helm of all of those

6:38

things. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I

6:39

hope to be able to do that for quite

6:41

a while yet because things are really getting

6:44

exciting now, and I don't wanna make sure.

6:45

Yes. Yes. I I would I I understand

6:47

how you feel I do. This whole

6:50

this whole last, I call it, Blovid,

6:52

or flu bid. This whole last three

6:54

years, has this been

6:56

one of the wake up calls? And maybe if

6:58

we could pull anything out it that's positive.

7:01

Has this been a wake up call? Have you noticed

7:03

a shift

7:04

in the pink dress? It's so obvious.

7:06

Yeah. And, of course, We know

7:09

that this is what's coming. I

7:11

mean, people have to

7:13

wake up at some point. I'm

7:15

sure even those cows in the chute

7:17

going to the slaughterhouse -- Sure. -- when they get

7:19

so close that they can smell

7:22

the melt and slaughter ahead

7:24

of them here They

7:26

mowing from the I guess they don't call it

7:28

mowing or mowing or whatever they're calling from

7:30

the cows and everything. They said, hey,

7:32

wait, something bad going on

7:34

here. Right.

7:36

Yeah. I think humans are a lot like that.

7:38

The closer they get to the calamity, the

7:40

more obvious it is.

7:42

But the good part of all that is that

7:44

even though the calamity is

7:47

probably good name for it is getting closer

7:49

and closer, we still have enough

7:51

time to to

7:53

steer the ship a little bit. I don't think we're

7:55

going to get out of this without paying a

7:57

huge price. But I think we are going

7:59

to come out of it better

8:01

than we went into it because people

8:03

will have lost their complacency. It

8:05

will know that liberty is no longer something

8:07

you can ignore. it's something you

8:09

have to defend and something you have to nourish.

8:12

And so that's an important next step.

8:14

And I don't think I don't think the

8:16

world

8:16

would be taking that step. if

8:18

they hadn't felt the the breadth

8:21

of the of the dragon,

8:23

you know. Mhmm. It

8:24

hadn't felt the loss of liberty quite

8:26

as deeply as we felt it. Yes.

8:28

Okay. Well, I can certainly understand

8:30

that. And hopefully, you know, if we

8:32

can pull anything good out, maybe that's something

8:35

that's positive. know, I'm gonna ask you

8:37

this again because I asked you this the very first time I

8:39

interviewed you, but it's been a few years. What was

8:41

your wake up call? What was that moment?

8:43

Because usually, there's always a cattle a

8:45

list. There's a the build up and then the

8:47

catalyst of of why you started looking

8:49

into these things, like the writing the

8:51

creature of Jackalai and about the

8:52

Federal Reserve and so forth. What was your

8:55

moment? Well,

8:56

you know what, that's

8:58

an easy and a hard question to answer at

9:00

the same time. Sure. It's

9:02

easy because I I do remember

9:04

it, but it's hard because most people

9:06

expect the answer to be dramatic,

9:09

which is not Right. It's

9:11

like so many things in life. I think

9:13

most people have gone through this

9:15

experience that we start off. We've

9:17

got our view of where we're headed.

9:19

We've got a mission. We've got a master plan

9:22

and wham. Something hits us and

9:24

or falls in our path and we can't

9:26

proceed down the path that we

9:28

had chosen. So we're forced at

9:30

great pain and anguish to try

9:32

something else and we go off at maybe

9:34

thirty degrees or ninety degrees.

9:36

to where we were headed. And we cry

9:38

all the way up for me, for me. And

9:40

then a couple of years later, we realized,

9:43

whoa. Hey, this is this is better than the

9:45

first pass. I'm doing better now than

9:47

I I'm I'm happier now than

9:49

I was then. And these

9:51

these terrible things that happened

9:53

to us. these blocks in our past,

9:55

turn out inevitably to be

9:57

the best things that ever happened to

9:59

us because they force it down us

10:01

to take a more intelligent and a

10:03

more realistic path in our

10:06

lives. So that was kind of how I got

10:08

into this. A little

10:09

thing happened. I be in a

10:11

a

10:11

client's office waiting for an appointment.

10:13

I picked up a little magazine

10:15

called the Free Man and

10:17

it was the first time I'd ever read a

10:19

little story from the pre enterprise

10:22

or less a fair perspective.

10:24

I've never read anything like that before I

10:26

-- Mhmm. -- I gone through my

10:29

childhood, gone through the university, I graduated,

10:31

got married, already had a couple of

10:33

kids, and I'd never read

10:35

anything from pre enterprise perspective.

10:37

And this sort of jumped at me. I thought, hey, this is

10:39

really interesting. So even though

10:41

a life changing thing -- Mhmm. --

10:43

it's just that I subscribe to the magazine

10:45

and and I I

10:47

liked it so much. I I ordered out as

10:49

many back issues as I could. I

10:51

got the bound versions. of

10:53

the mezzanine all the way back to year one. Wow.

10:55

I read all this stuff. I thought this is really

10:58

interesting. Then I picked up

11:00

another pamphlet a little while

11:02

later critique of the United

11:04

Nations. Mhmm. I was incensed at that

11:06

because I knew the UN was wonderful.

11:08

They told me that school. Right.

11:10

And I knew it was our last best hope

11:12

for peace. And so when I read

11:14

this stuff and this can't be true. So and

11:16

I went to the library. I started

11:18

checking out. I found out, oops, it was

11:20

true. Now, by this time, the hook is a

11:22

little bit deeper. And it's just

11:24

the steps like that. Like, one

11:26

thing leads to another, to another, to

11:28

another. And finally, I decided

11:30

to abandon my so called

11:32

career. I was climbing the corporate

11:34

I was all wrapped up in

11:37

material things. How much money am I going to make?

11:39

What kind of a car am I driving? Are

11:41

we looking? Can we buy a better

11:43

house? You know what? we're gonna go on

11:45

vacation and all this stuff, and

11:47

new furniture, new drapes, and all this

11:49

stuff. And I was very materialistic, but all of

11:51

a sudden, I realized that, oh

11:53

my gosh. It's it's all my illusions

11:56

about life. Warren illusions.

11:58

I thought they were the real thing. I thought

12:00

I was born into a country. of

12:02

our forefathers. Right? You know what? I

12:04

still believe in, you know, the land of the

12:06

free, the home of the brave, and all

12:08

of that. and I came to

12:10

realize that those were illusions.

12:12

And that's when my crusader

12:14

gene hit in. And

12:16

I quit my job poor

12:18

wife thought, I was crazy how we just feed

12:20

the kids, put food on the table. But

12:22

it it was not one thing,

12:25

Kate. It was a whole series of little

12:27

things like that. And so here I

12:29

am the victim of hate, I

12:31

guess. I love this story. I really

12:32

do because that's how it happens for most people,

12:35

for me. It was the seat belt the seat belt law. I mean, I

12:37

have all things. Right? But that was what launched

12:39

me. So in in your career,

12:41

what was the first deep dive the

12:43

real big deep dive that

12:44

you did. What topic? Well,

12:48

it hap the deep dive just

12:50

like a moment ago. It was not all

12:52

at once. Okay. But nevertheless, the

12:54

deepest dive for me was

12:56

the monetary system. Mhmm.

12:59

Yeah. I have to stop and evaluate

13:01

that. the health system is also I think

13:03

another very, very deep

13:05

dive. Anyway, I

13:07

thought our money was created by

13:09

the government. I thought the Federal

13:11

Reserve whatever that was must be a

13:13

government agency. I thought all the

13:15

people connected with it. We're probably

13:17

interested in my my

13:19

best interest in -- Mhmm. -- the fate of the

13:21

nation. They were our servants and they

13:23

were good people doing the best they

13:25

could. Right. And I

13:27

said the same thing about, in my mind,

13:29

about all those researchers in the health

13:31

field, all the doctors and all

13:33

the experts, the health

13:35

version. The people were telling me what

13:37

I should and should not eat and

13:39

all that stuff. I thought they all had my

13:42

best interest at heart.

13:44

Mhmm. And

13:46

but I took two deep dives on both

13:48

of those and which led to

13:50

my two books -- Right. -- that have been the

13:52

best sellers over the years and I didn't

13:54

expect them to be. But anyway, so one was

13:56

the world without cancer -- Yes.

13:58

-- story of vitamin b seventeen.

14:01

Yes. The other one was the creature from

14:03

Jackal Island. A second look at

14:05

the Federal Reserve. Massive Those

14:07

were deep dives from me.

14:08

Yes. They were and they were for

14:11

everybody else. So a lot

14:13

of people were awakened

14:15

with that. And when you

14:17

look back, what is the interview that you

14:19

look back? The interview that you did

14:21

that, I mean, you've had a lot of

14:23

interviews that or published and

14:25

documented. What was the one that you found?

14:27

Like, I'm that you're just so happy now

14:29

that you were able to do that you felt was

14:31

so important

14:32

for people to hear and understand? Well,

14:35

there were several of them like that,

14:37

Kate. But the one that comes to mind first

14:39

is the one with Norman Dodd.

14:41

Yes. Yes. Seriously? chief

14:44

investigator for the REIT's committee.

14:46

Mhmm. And they were investing tax

14:48

exempt foundations. And

14:50

that's when Norman Dad had come

14:52

from the banking world. And when

14:54

I interviewed that fellow, that

14:56

old gentleman, he he just

14:58

taught me what life was real. all

15:00

about in terms of money and

15:02

banking. And,

15:05

yeah, and I I recorded that

15:07

on video at a time that nobody was particularly

15:10

interested. Mhmm. And and

15:13

now, of course, everybody interested in it

15:15

because he was talking about

15:18

this at such a profound fundamental

15:20

level. Oh, my

15:20

gosh. Yes. And the education system,

15:22

how it was hijacked, and I've actually taken

15:25

that recording and I've played it on the

15:27

air.

15:27

Oh, good. Yes.

15:29

Well, you know nobody understood it or cared

15:31

about it. when I did it.

15:33

But twenty years later, all of a sudden people

15:35

were saying, I hear you have a recording with

15:37

Norman Dodd. Yeah. Could

15:40

we hear it? Could we hear it? I

15:42

say. Yeah. So much

15:44

after the fact, that's interesting because

15:47

it took a a little bit and people

15:49

started realizing how it had been hijacked

15:51

and he described perfectly how the Carnegie

15:53

foundation and those foundations

15:55

associated with it took over from

15:57

nineteen o seven on. So it was --

15:59

Yes. -- so

15:59

you did study that very

16:00

shortly. Yes. Yes.

16:03

Because it's it's that important

16:05

gonna go off to a break. We'll be right back. I'll be right back with

16:07

g Edward Griffin. I know. I have to say the

16:09

legend, and I hate to say it like that. But you're

16:11

the legend. I mean, you have brought

16:13

a lot more word. I know. Right? I

16:15

knew you'd get a kick out of that. He's so humble.

16:17

Be right back, Kate Delhi, show, more with

16:19

Jaboukie Griffin, when we come back. And the

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16:41

I looked over to Jordan, and

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16:46

Coming forward a carried e

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home. A band

16:50

out and Joel's comment

16:53

after me. Come in

16:55

for the carry me home. Hi

16:57

there. Welcome back. Hey, Deli. Show.

16:59

so glad you're joining me a

17:01

great and fun interview

17:03

with g Edward Griffin. Also, Dinesh

17:06

T'Souza on Monday, on our

17:08

Monday show after the weekend.

17:10

And, of course, Red

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17:18

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17:20

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17:22

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17:36

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17:38

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17:40

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17:44

up there. Go to Red Pill University dot

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org. Red Pill University dot

17:49

org. Welcome back. I really

17:51

appreciate this time with you. We were just talking

17:53

about that interview with Norman Dodd. And

17:55

then what was your interview with

17:59

the KGB? the KGB guy.

17:59

Did you wanna talk about that? That was his

18:02

name

18:02

was Yuri. Yuri. Yes.

18:04

He was a high ranking

18:07

Soviet KGB agent. specializing

18:09

in propaganda and that

18:12

kind of thing. And,

18:14

yeah, he escaped from

18:16

all of that had great risk to his life,

18:18

especially back in those days. I

18:20

think I was reading one of

18:22

the reports that the previous

18:24

guy that had that tried to defect

18:26

from the KGB. They brought him

18:29

back and they

18:31

burned him alive in a

18:33

cremation oven. and

18:35

forced all the other agents around

18:37

us. Watch it. Oh my

18:39

gosh. Just burn him to death.

18:41

So when you're

18:43

abezing off, defected. He

18:45

came out of India. He was assigned in India.

18:47

India. He dressed up like a

18:49

hippie and got out with a bunch of

18:51

other American hippies and came to the

18:54

US to tell his story and

18:56

to to wake up America in

18:58

a way to to warn us

19:00

that he knew what they AGB

19:02

was and the Soviet Union were trying to do

19:04

to America because he was part of it.

19:06

And so when I heard about this,

19:08

I ran the guy down. It's in the

19:10

hotdog, and we Can we interview you? sure. Be glad

19:13

to. Wow. So that's how that came

19:15

about. I can't

19:16

even imagine what that was like for

19:18

you. to interview him and hear it straight

19:20

you know, straight from someone

19:22

involved like that. Yeah. Well, I knew

19:24

the story because I had read about it,

19:27

but to sit there with him in

19:29

a living room, in two

19:31

comfortable chairs -- Mhmm. -- and just ask

19:33

him questions. Was it really quite an

19:35

experience -- Okay. -- than an eye

19:37

opener because And when you read things, you don't

19:39

know who wrote this. Is this the truth or

19:41

not? But when you see the man himself

19:43

telling his own story,

19:45

You know, it's the real thing, you know. Yeah.

19:47

Oh, yeah. Absolutely. Are

19:50

there still rabbit holes you want to

19:52

go down? still some questions that you

19:54

wish you had weeks on end to just do

19:56

some research on? Oh,

19:58

they're all over the place. Hi,

20:01

Christine. I'd probably be your yes. sir.

20:03

There's so many. I wanna I wanna know

20:05

more about the the Antarctic

20:07

phenomenon. I wanna know more about -- Yeah. --

20:09

they really put a man on the moon else.

20:11

I wanna know. I don't want to hear somebody's

20:13

opinions.

20:13

Right. Right. I'm with you.

20:15

There's yeah. I wanna know. Are there aliens

20:17

out there or

20:18

aren't there? So what's going on? You

20:21

know? There are all kinds of questions. It's not all

20:23

politics and health. There are a lot

20:25

of phenomena. I want to know

20:27

more about quantum physics

20:29

is the real thing. Yes.

20:31

Oh, you know you

20:33

know the idea of the red pill

20:35

is everywhere. seems like the more

20:37

important an issue is in our

20:39

lives. The more likely it is that we've been

20:41

taught an illusion

20:43

about it. It's not the way it really

20:45

is. Do

20:46

you still feel like you have cognitive dissonance?

20:48

That I have

20:49

well, sometimes I do. Yes.

20:52

Yeah. Of course. I think that's such an

20:54

honest

20:54

answer. I think we all do.

20:56

I You know, if we're not questioning

20:58

that, maybe there's a problem.

20:59

Right? Yeah. It happens all the

21:02

time. Right. You know, the way

21:04

I I am sure that

21:06

I've just peaked under the tent. And I've

21:09

spent, what, fifty years in

21:11

heavy duty questioning

21:13

and research on these things know

21:15

I just lifted a little corner of the tent.

21:17

There's so much more in there that I don't

21:19

know about. Oh,

21:20

yeah. Absolutely. And I'm sure the last

21:22

well, go ahead. Go

21:24

ahead. what I was going to say, much of it

21:26

spills over from the real world of

21:29

politics and physics and all that stuff

21:31

into the esoteric world

21:33

of What is the universe? What is

21:35

matter? What is gravity? You know,

21:37

what is time? Things like that.

21:39

They're they're mind vendors. What

21:41

is infinity? How do you measure infinity? Is

21:43

that a beginning or an end?

21:46

Well, no. But then how does what does

21:48

it look like? Well, it doesn't look like

21:50

anything. And, you know, questions like

21:52

that. If if a person has an

21:54

open mind, you never have

21:56

to worry. about being

21:58

bored. That's so true. Are there anything that

21:59

you're sure of a hundred

22:01

percent?

22:03

Yes. Yeah. What

22:04

is that that? I don't know very

22:07

much. That you don't know very

22:09

much. Oh, that's

22:12

great. I love that. I think

22:14

that's great. you know, maybe

22:14

maybe we should all say that. I I I'm I'm

22:16

pretty sure God's there. I feel like

22:18

there's a God. Yeah. And

22:21

that I know But beyond that, I

22:23

think it's all up for questions

22:26

because people say to what extent were we

22:28

lied to, what's your answer to

22:30

that? Well, I

22:31

don't know. The answer, I don't know.

22:33

Yeah. But the but I know it's extensive.

22:35

There you go. Right? I

22:38

mean, there's so many to us.

22:40

Yes.

22:40

There's so there's just so much out there. I

22:42

think that we're just just like you

22:44

like you said we're just starting to peek under

22:46

the tent. What was the after this last

22:48

three years and what we've just gone through

22:50

with understanding finally with the medical community

22:53

after after the takeover of Johns Hopkins

22:55

and public health the introduction of public

22:58

health, they wanted to make sure that they

23:00

ran those medical schools a certain

23:02

way. So now we're all finally

23:04

realizing this and we're also realizing we

23:06

have socialized medicine that is afoot

23:08

now. So with that

23:10

and your book and your series on a world

23:12

without cancer, what are some of the most

23:14

important things that you think that you saying early on that

23:16

people need to pay attention to when it

23:18

comes to cancer?

23:19

Well,

23:22

I

23:22

suppose the most fundamental

23:25

thing. The really rock bottom

23:27

thing about not just

23:29

cancer, but all chronic diseases

23:32

is that health

23:35

does not come from

23:37

a test Mhmm. It comes from

23:41

nature. And I believe it conversely

23:45

most illnesses come

23:47

from the lack of being

23:49

at one with with nature.

23:51

Mhmm. There are certain things, of course, you can

23:53

You can live too close to a power line.

23:56

You can be inhaling toxic things.

23:58

You can poison yourself with the foods that

24:00

you eat and all those things. But

24:02

even in spite of all of those damaging things

24:05

to your body, I've

24:07

come to appreciate the fact that the body

24:09

is extremely responsive

24:11

and can overcome amazing

24:14

trauma if you just give it the

24:16

right ingredients that it's

24:18

looking for -- Mhmm. -- things that grow

24:20

out of the around. Mhmm. Generally,

24:22

I never thought I'd hear myself

24:24

saying that because I used to think these these

24:26

people are always talking about herbs

24:28

or crazy, you know. Right. But no, I think well,

24:31

no, I'm crazy. Right.

24:34

That says, I think I think

24:37

this this universe or this

24:39

planet at least was put together

24:41

not only with with living

24:43

things, but I mean,

24:45

animals and things with feet that you can

24:47

move around and with fins that you can

24:49

swim around and wings that you can fly around.

24:51

But none of that it has to be

24:53

created with the essential nutrients

24:55

and the food, the engine needs to

24:57

be driven with the fuel, all

24:59

the fuels and all the maintenance tools

25:01

are also created at the same time.

25:03

Otherwise, it wouldn't work. Right. So once

25:05

you get that kind of a

25:07

thinking process going It makes it simplifies

25:10

things a lot. It makes it easier to

25:12

understand what illness really is

25:14

and a lot easier to figure out what to do

25:16

about it. So true. Wow.

25:17

Words of wisdom. I love that.

25:20

Yeah. Absolutely. When

25:22

you when you're looking back at ninety

25:24

one years, what are you most proud

25:26

of? in your life?

25:28

Proud. Proud. Let me think.

25:30

One

25:32

has to be very careful

25:34

of pride. Mhmm. my aunt,

25:38

Alice, who raised me, all he used

25:40

to say, and I remember Edward, pride

25:43

cometh before a fall.

25:45

so true. It was

25:48

so true. That is so

25:50

true. But you asked me a

25:52

question. I feel very

25:54

content. about having

25:57

produce some educational

25:59

materials books and videos that

26:01

have caused people to

26:03

I think take a more correct path in life

26:05

at least as I see it. Mhmm. When when

26:08

people like you tell me

26:10

that something I've written or something -- Yes. --

26:12

said, somewhere on the line. has had a

26:14

profound effect on your life, for

26:16

example. Mhmm. When somebody tells me that, I

26:18

think, hot dog, I'm I'm

26:20

worth it. I'm worth something. Yeah. I

26:22

did it. I love

26:24

that. Isn't that

26:25

great? Because it's it's all about truth. And

26:27

so the things Well, I'll give you an example. Sure.

26:29

When

26:29

I started down this path, I

26:32

realized that The most fundamental problem

26:34

I think we're facing

26:37

politically is the fact that people believe in

26:39

something called collectivism. Mhmm.

26:41

And they didn't they don't know about

26:43

collectivism versus individualism. Mhmm.

26:45

And I realized that, you know, long not

26:47

too long ago, everybody knew what those bridge

26:49

met. Mhmm. But by the time I got to World War two,

26:52

they'd been pretty well scrubbed out of the

26:54

vocabulary. And I found that,

26:56

you know, communism, fascism, socialism,

26:59

some rights left, Republican, Democrats, and

27:01

all these things mean nothing really

27:04

-- Mhmm. -- hard definitions. They're all

27:06

based on this conflict between

27:09

individualism versus collectivism.

27:11

And I've been trying to preach that

27:14

for quite a while now. And what

27:16

really makes me feel good is when

27:18

I hear these words beginning

27:20

to creep back into the common

27:23

vocabulary, I hear it on the radio or on television, I think,

27:25

hot dog. Here's another one. There's a

27:27

Bingo. She probably love the people are

27:29

beginning to think in terms of reality

27:31

now. not illusion. So

27:33

true. Where

27:34

we have always talked about communism,

27:36

is it globalism now? Is that

27:38

our threat? Well, that's another that's another

27:40

word. What is global and

27:42

-- Mhmm. -- I mean, I'm a globalist. I

27:44

I want global peace and freedom

27:47

and humanity. Mhmm. What is

27:49

globalism? Well, we know globalism is

27:51

the equivalent of global

27:55

collectivism -- Yes. -- if the collectivism

27:57

part that makes globalism

27:59

that there's nothing wrong with the world government.

28:01

If the government is based on the

28:03

principles of liberty and protection

28:05

of human rights, and restriction

28:07

against the growth, the government itself. What's wrong

28:10

with

28:10

that? It could be global. I hope

28:11

if we ever get a good formula for

28:13

it, it should be global.

28:16

So the size of it is not the

28:18

issue. That's why these words get in the

28:20

way. People start arguing over things

28:22

that they don't even understand what the words mean. So

28:25

true. The issue is individualism

28:27

versus collectivism. What is the

28:29

center of society? Is it the individual? Mhmm.

28:31

Or is it the group? Right.

28:34

And most people today

28:36

without realizing it, believe it

28:38

is the group. and

28:40

that's how we lose because all

28:43

the the demagogues have to

28:45

do is say, well, this is for the

28:47

greater good of the greater number.

28:49

Mhmm. And we say, oh, okay. Well,

28:51

I guess, so that Then yeah.

28:52

That's turned into, like, niceness and

28:55

kindness, and it seems as there those

28:57

things have turned into a pad

29:00

on the back. So when they're when they're in

29:02

collectivism, they think, well, this and

29:04

and rooting for it they think

29:06

that this is good. It makes them

29:08

good in some strange

29:09

way. Yeah. Like the perfect

29:11

example is Pearl Harbor. people denied

29:14

it for a long time. The idea

29:16

that the United States government

29:18

of FDR and and

29:21

others in the State Department and the

29:23

military all plotted to get us

29:25

into the war and made

29:27

it very tempting for

29:29

Japan to attack Pearl Harbor made sure that

29:31

her fleet and her planes and everything

29:33

were not interfered with so they could have a,

29:35

quote, surprise attack. all

29:38

that was denied at first. Now

29:40

they found the records in the

29:42

archives and it's all proven now

29:44

that that's exactly what happened.

29:46

And so lot of

29:48

these people have denied it

29:50

originally are now changing their tune and

29:52

say, well, isn't it isn't it

29:54

great that President Roosevelt had

29:56

such great foresight is to

29:58

use these

29:59

these these tricks to get

30:02

the American

30:02

people to wake up to the

30:05

necessity to get into the war. And

30:07

and so because it was for the greater good of

30:09

the planet -- Oh. -- because you

30:12

hate nazism. and go ahead on, you know,

30:14

marketing plot. I'll be --

30:16

Yeah. -- we'll be right back a little bit a little bit more

30:18

a couple more minutes with GEDRA Gripen when we

30:20

come back. right

30:22

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So glad

30:51

you're listening in because you're getting a treat today.

30:53

G Edward Griffin, the author

30:56

of the creature of Jekyll Island, the world of

30:58

cancer, and exposing

31:01

public education and I mean,

31:03

you name it. You name it. Exposing communism. You

31:05

name it. He's done it. And a a

31:08

lifelong worth of work

31:10

in this department. I can't even tell you.

31:13

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31:15

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Edward Griffin is my guest,

32:12

and I'm so honored to have him because

32:14

he is truly one

32:16

of the legends. I mean, this is this

32:18

is the person who has woken up so many people. I was

32:20

just telling him on the break, that I'm asking him

32:23

what his wake up moment was.

32:25

And honestly, I've had guests on the

32:27

show who refer to him as their

32:29

wake up moments. So talk

32:31

about, you know, talk about how this how

32:33

this all works out. It's very, very interesting,

32:35

and I hope he realizes this because

32:37

he is the catalyst for many,

32:39

many people waking up. And love that.

32:41

Don't you, Ed? I think that's so wonderful.

32:44

Well, it

32:44

is wonderful. But it's to me, it's

32:46

more of a phenomenon than it

32:48

is a personal thing. because we've all

32:50

heard the expression that we stand on

32:53

the shoulders of giants. And

32:56

there's very little that I

32:58

have contributed to

33:00

the knowledge base. Maybe

33:02

a few minor things.

33:04

And I'm very happy about those, but

33:07

ninety-nine point 999

33:09

percent of everything, I know or

33:11

think I know of any

33:13

value. I've learned from some of

33:15

the other authors from other

33:17

speakers -- Mhmm. -- some even some

33:19

friends in house listening. But

33:21

the the literature is great. and

33:23

it's you read a good book -- Mhmm.

33:25

-- sometimes it's written a hundred and fifty

33:27

years, two hundred years ago.

33:29

Read some of the debates

33:32

and the and the constitutional convention -- Mhmm. --

33:34

read the federalist papers. You know, the

33:36

old documents where people talked about

33:38

the same things we're talking about.

33:41

and you come away with

33:43

impressions and conclusions.

33:46

And then you're in a conversation

33:48

someday and you you wind up saying

33:50

something, I was like, geez, that's brilliant.

33:52

And you don't even realize that you stole

33:54

it from Jefferson or something, you know?

33:56

That's how it works. you learn

33:58

from others, and it is a great feeling

34:00

to be part of that chain. Mhmm.

34:02

And you look at yourself, what are

34:04

you doing? How many people are

34:07

you influencing? and you may not even realize it, but

34:09

those people will go on and

34:11

they'll influence a hundred thousand people or

34:13

maybe just a hundred people.

34:16

but that's how it goes. It goes forever that way. Knowledge

34:18

grows person to person. Oh,

34:20

I love that. You're so

34:22

humble. III really

34:24

like that about you. It's just a fantastic

34:26

quality about

34:26

you. When you're

34:27

when you when you think about all the hits

34:29

that you've taken for bringing

34:31

all this information forward and for speaking out and and

34:33

all the cottage meetings you've done and all

34:36

the times that you presented and you

34:38

look back at

34:40

your life as we are more moving forward in our lives

34:42

and we're trying to tell people you must

34:44

stand. It's Liberty is more than just

34:46

a vote every year. You have to stand. You

34:48

have to speak out you have to

34:50

learn. Have has it all

34:52

been worth it? I'm sure you took your hits.

34:54

I'm sure people looked at you sideways. I'm

34:56

sure people said things

34:58

about you. has it all been worth it? Because I sure hope that the

35:00

takeaway is that people need to move

35:02

forward speaking

35:04

out. Right?

35:04

our right Well, yes.

35:06

In

35:06

that sense, it was definitely worth it.

35:08

But, you know, even if we were

35:10

still in that underdog, well, I guess,

35:13

we are in the underdog but

35:16

not as much as as we were back in the sixties when

35:18

I started to speak out on these things. But

35:20

even if we were or even worse off

35:24

than that, it's it's not that it's it's worth it or not. It's do

35:26

we have to do it? Yeah. And

35:28

if you're the kind of a person

35:30

like I am and you're and

35:32

you've got this burden of having a a

35:35

crusader jean. It doesn't make any

35:37

difference whether it's worth it. You just have

35:39

to do it. That's to do it settle

35:42

all. Well,

35:42

you just have to speak the truth. Yeah. You have to do

35:44

it.

35:44

Yeah. Yeah. For your own

35:46

conscience, I'm sure. And Right.

35:49

you're still standing today. So if

35:51

if you made it, you

35:53

know, what are people so afraid of?

35:55

So you're saying,

35:56

well, I don't know what they're afraid

35:58

of getting bumped off, I guess. I guess. Yeah.

36:00

You

36:00

know, I Well, nothing wrong

36:03

to

36:03

be afraid of that. Right. But it's what you

36:05

do with your fear, that

36:07

simple That is so true. That is so

36:09

true. You were talking about before we left to

36:11

the break how they knew about

36:14

Pearl Harbor. coming on. And I didn't know if you wanted to comment on

36:16

that more. You're certainly welcome to

36:18

do that. Well,

36:18

I just I'm

36:22

I'm quoting now some facts that I remember -- Mhmm. -- from years

36:24

ago when I was researching the topic. So

36:26

I don't have a lot of finite details

36:28

with names and dates and so forth.

36:31

but it it was amazing to me at the time

36:34

how much detail there

36:36

was. It was thoroughly

36:38

documented. Right. and found in official documents

36:40

that the leading officials in

36:42

the United States government were the

36:44

primary indicators

36:46

of the attack on Pearl Harbor. And they wanted

36:49

they wanted Japan to attack Pearl Harbor so that

36:51

we could get into

36:54

the war as a victim

36:56

rather than in as an aggressor.

36:58

Yes. And because they thought if we went

37:00

in as an aggressor, why it would it

37:02

would be bad publicity. So they made

37:04

it everything made everything possible and easy for

37:06

Japan to strike Pearl

37:08

Harbor. Mhmm. And that's

37:10

in the details after that become

37:12

very interesting. even

37:14

to the point where they I I don't know why I picked this flooded across my mind.

37:17

Mhmm. So there was one one

37:20

Japanese spy -- Mhmm. --

37:22

that came

37:24

in to Pearl Harbor under the cloak

37:26

of being a diplomatic

37:29

employee for the

37:31

office there from from

37:34

Japan. Mhmm. And the record the

37:36

FBI record showed that they knew exactly who he

37:38

was. He was a graduate of Japan's

37:42

espionage school. They knew his

37:44

name, his address, his girlfriend's name,

37:46

they knew everything about him. They knew when

37:48

he got on board and was coming to

37:51

Pro Harbor. They knew when he landed. They knew where

37:53

he lived. They knew what his phone number was. I

37:55

think they tapped his phone, and they knew that

37:58

every day, he went up to

38:00

a hilltop. overlooking the bay -- Mhmm. -- and was

38:02

and was taking note of shift

38:04

movements and and

38:06

then telegraphing or sending in some

38:10

way. the information back to Tokyo as to

38:12

what ships were there, where they were,

38:14

you know, when they came in and what they're likely to

38:16

go out with. They were setting up

38:18

Pearl Harbor

38:20

that the Japanese would know exactly what ships to strike and

38:22

where they were. And they did nothing

38:24

to interfere with it. Nothing at

38:27

all. In fact, they actually blocked some people who

38:29

were trying to get the information

38:31

out and that they stepped in in a way and

38:33

said, no, no, this is

38:35

This is protected information. Things like that. You

38:38

you know, one or two things you could probably

38:40

explain away. Well, maybe there was a reason.

38:42

Maybe somebody made a mistake. Mhmm. But when

38:44

you find fifty or sixty things

38:46

like that all in a row becomes

38:48

very clear that this was part

38:51

of a strategy to get the United States into

38:53

World War two -- Mhmm. -- as a

38:56

victim, so that the people in America would

38:58

support it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have

39:00

supported the

39:02

war. So true. Oh, amen to that

39:03

and almost every war we've had.

39:05

So Well, it it goes on and

39:07

on and on. I mean, let's take a

39:09

look at that. nine eleven.

39:12

Yeah. Nine eleven. I mean, an

39:14

example. Same principle, not a war. Mhmm.

39:16

The war on terrorism

39:18

supposedly. Right. you gotta have

39:20

a terrorist attack. It's gonna conduct a war against terrorists. So

39:22

who creates the attack? You

39:26

know? Yeah. You're exactly right. So why do you think they tell us,

39:28

you know, because all of this, there's

39:30

so much proof. They're always saying these

39:33

and I always say on the air, they're saying it. I'm just telling you

39:35

what they're saying. I mean, I'm just a

39:38

messenger. Why did they tell us? What

39:40

do

39:40

you think? In

39:41

many cases, I don't

39:43

think they'll they don't think they

39:45

will read it. In many cases,

39:47

they say these things in private

39:50

settings -- Mhmm. -- where somebody took

39:52

notes and then wrote a book on it

39:54

later or maybe somebody was making a

39:56

recording. Mhmm. They didn't realize it. Mhmm.

39:58

They thought they were just friends. And

40:00

sometimes they do write about

40:02

it and openly broadcast it.

40:04

But in those cases, they generally

40:06

soften it a little bit. by explaining

40:08

that it was a good thing as I mentioned a

40:10

moment ago. It was a good thing that we did all of

40:12

that. We killed a couple of thousand

40:14

American sailors because it was

40:16

for the greater good of the greater

40:18

number, and we were able to put an end of

40:20

fascism. Oh, it's

40:22

so horrible. Yeah. So we they one way or the

40:24

other, they explain it. Mhmm. And

40:26

besides, we know how they think

40:28

because we've

40:30

read their their ideology

40:32

books. We know that they believe

40:34

that this is warfare and

40:36

their goal is to conquer

40:39

the world. and people like you and me, we're

40:41

we're the enemy because we're blocking them.

40:43

Right. And so they're at war

40:45

with us. And you know,

40:47

the morality of warfare is very simple. Yeah. And it's that

40:49

there's only one only

40:52

one immoral thing

40:54

in warfare. and

40:56

that's too loose. Oh,

40:59

yes. Everything else

41:02

is moral. So once you

41:04

understand how they think that it's no longer

41:06

surprising that they do things like

41:08

that, especially when they can

41:10

justify it, or appear to justify for

41:12

good. Great comments. It's

41:14

covered on all on all corners.

41:18

comment. I know

41:18

that as we were talking on the break,

41:20

you would tell people to gather and gather often. This

41:22

is probably why you do the Red Pill

41:26

Expo. and because and you

41:28

were talking about that and the difference of emailing,

41:30

you know. And now getting together,

41:32

did you wanna talk about that for a moment? Oh,

41:34

yeah. we eventually

41:35

come with these conversations, we come to the question

41:37

of what are we going to do about this? Sure.

41:39

It's not enough just to

41:42

know about it and read books and say, uh-huh. We figure out what

41:44

they're doing. I did not now what are they gonna

41:46

do next. That's not enough. Mhmm.

41:49

We have to take that knowledge and convert it into some

41:51

kind of a plan of our own, the old saying

41:54

that the purely defensive is

41:56

doomed to feet. Mhmm.

41:58

So we've got to stop just being

42:00

defensive and and to

42:02

do something more than just try to stop

42:04

the enemy. We've got to reverse

42:07

the battle. and take it to to their home ground and get rid

42:09

of them. I don't mean to kill them. That's not

42:11

the point. This is a battle that's taking

42:14

place in the power centers of

42:16

our nation. where they're

42:18

capturing control of political

42:20

parties and government agencies and --

42:22

Yes. -- and labor

42:24

unions and

42:26

media outlets. It's not that they're killing us, all of that's going

42:28

to come. But they're catching

42:30

control of our country piece

42:32

by piece. that's the war

42:34

that we have to get into. And until

42:36

we realize that we are at war, we're

42:38

never gonna win. Thinking

42:39

of this stages of communism take over

42:41

of America. Where are we? And what sources of

42:44

hope do you for America,

42:46

do you

42:48

see?

42:48

Well, we're far.

42:50

I don't know how to put a

42:52

percentage on it or any other way to measure

42:54

it. Mhmm. But we're way

42:57

way too far down the path for

42:59

comfort. Right? I just don't

43:02

know what number to put on it. I'm usually

43:04

more pessimistic

43:06

than real IT. WE MUST

43:08

FACE OUR OFFFUL SITUATION FOR SURE. WE MUST

43:10

FACE OUR OFFFUL SITUATION FOR SURE. WHAT DO YOU

43:13

SEE AS SOURCES OF HOPE what

43:15

gives you hope right now? Well,

43:16

the source of hope, of course, is the only one

43:18

thing. And that is that enough enough

43:20

people. And now we're just talking about America.

43:22

Right. So I just say, the only source

43:24

of hope for America is for enough Americans

43:27

to understand not

43:30

only what

43:32

our enemy is doing. But what's that there

43:35

is an enemy. They don't realize we're at war.

43:37

They think this is just happening because there's

43:39

a bunch of noodle heads in

43:42

that don't know what's going on. Right. Oh,

43:44

right to your congressman. Tell him

43:46

that you disapprove, you know, they don't

43:48

realize that these

43:50

congressmen are already compromised

43:52

doing what they're told.

43:55

So anyway, we

43:58

have to depend on

44:00

enough people to realize that we are at war, to realize

44:02

that we have an enemy, to learn

44:04

how the enemy thinks, to

44:06

understand what strategies the

44:08

enemy uses, and then to get

44:10

ourselves to organize in a countermeasure

44:12

and take the offensive against

44:14

them. Now that sounds like it's a big measure

44:16

and it is -- Mhmm. -- but the good news

44:18

is it doesn't take many people to

44:20

do that. The fact is that

44:22

history is always written by a

44:24

very small minority, usually

44:26

one percent or less of the population.

44:29

If they're motivated and organized like

44:31

I'm describing, one percent will

44:34

easily dominate the other

44:36

ninety nine percent who are out there, you know, playing their games and

44:38

watching, dancing with the stars or

44:40

whatever they're doing -- Sure. -- and

44:42

enjoying life. is that

44:44

one percent who will be

44:46

the thought leaders who will

44:48

mobilize and influence a fifteen

44:50

percent of people who agree

44:52

with it They're not scholars or

44:54

anything, but they'll agree with this. Yeah. We want to

44:56

support this. Fifteen percent

44:58

will overcome the other

45:00

eighty five percent every time.

45:02

So our goal is really to find that one

45:04

percent of the population who have then influenced the

45:06

fifteen percent and then offer

45:09

a plan of action but

45:11

the fifteen percent can follow. And

45:14

just like the American Revolution,

45:16

which was fought in won,

45:18

by fifteen

45:20

percent of the population. Right. We also can win. You're

45:22

right. There's always been

45:22

the heavy lifting has always been done by the

45:25

smallest group, but that small that smallest

45:27

group is extremely strong in

45:30

your exactly right. Strengthen them. Go to Red Pill Expo and

45:32

meet Ed over there. G.

45:34

Edward Griffin over there at in

45:36

Salt Lake City November the twelfth.

45:39

Ed, it's been wonderful speaking with

45:41

you. Thank you, Kate. You're

45:43

such a wonderful person, and I don't

45:45

mean just because you you let

45:47

me talk. No. Are you kidding? I love learning from

45:49

you. I think you're spectacular. So thank

45:51

you so much. Your show

45:53

is fantastic. And and the

45:55

insights that you that

45:58

you impart -- Thank you. -- with your

45:59

listeners are just very, very impressive to

46:02

me. Thank you for

46:02

what you're doing. Thank

46:03

you, and Thank you. That really makes me happy.

46:05

Thank you. Be faithful. Be fearless, see you back

46:08

here on

46:10

Monday. We

46:10

thought

46:14

about hiring one of

46:15

those company spokesman