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2:07

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Matthew Lane. Matty, my friend, how are

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2:18

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2:22

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2:24

I'm glad that I'm glad you're doing well, Craig.

2:26

I'm sorry that you weren't asked how you were

2:28

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2:30

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2:34

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2:36

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2:38

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2:41

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2:43

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2:46

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2:48

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So there's some housekeeping stuff really want to

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make sure to hit that stuff off the top Let's

4:36

talk a little bit here about some of these

4:38

top 30 visits chiefs have had I am

4:41

going to list off really quickly just the list

4:43

of players we can kind of get into it

4:46

a little bit because The

4:48

funny thing is is Craig Batty and I've had a

4:50

lot of conversations in the last couple weeks Craig's

4:53

been theorizing some things about the the top

4:55

30 visits or sorry the 30 visits Guy

4:59

be careful with that. It's not the top 30.

5:01

I'm sorry apologies to British Columbia's Giovanni Manu But

5:03

he's not one of their top 30 players on

5:05

their board. Um He could

5:08

be oh If you don't

5:10

know that I Would

5:12

his I yeah what it is

5:14

what if they? Yeah, what if

5:17

they only have 30 players on their board? He's of the

5:19

time That that's

5:21

what happened. That's what the New England

5:23

Patriots do that's That's

5:26

very true. What's that? Let's let's read

5:28

off a few of these players though Just so we kind

5:30

of get an idea of of

5:32

who they I know this is gonna be the

5:34

most interesting Content real quick, but Jonathan

5:37

book Brooks running back out of Texas Texas

5:40

defensive tackle to Vondre sweat

5:42

South Florida offensive tackle Donovan

5:44

Jennings British Columbia offense to

5:46

tackle Giovanni Manu Toronto

5:48

were Argonauts cornerback Qantas stickers of

5:50

the shrine bowl very interesting player

5:52

Jawan Briggs the Cincinnati defensive tackle

5:54

Jovan foster the Missouri offensive tackle

5:57

Running back Carson Steele out of Houston.

6:00

The away. Washington. Wide Receiver

6:02

jail in a million. He. Sees

6:04

safety Miller near Bradford. Penn State's

6:06

offered to tackle Caden Wallace. Kansas

6:08

State Wildcats stand up could bend,

6:10

sit at the died and has

6:12

been unofficial Thirty Marshall Renata. Racine,

6:15

Alley. B.

6:17

Y Yards and Zach of Kings

6:19

resume retire from and into your

6:21

office of lineman Jigsaw heating a

6:23

wide receiver Javan Baker at ease.

6:25

Yes, Ah Northern I would. Defensive

6:27

Tackle: Christian Boyd Ohio State Defensive

6:29

Tackle Mike Paul. Georgia State

6:31

offered to tackle Ah Travis Glover,

6:33

Boston calls and too often. Suleiman

6:36

Christmas hog me. Oregon.

6:38

State wide receiver his knee gold. Western.

6:41

Michigan defenses and Marcyniuk that's your list of

6:43

players of the cheese. Have had official thirty

6:45

visits on sometimes and just eat he. it's

6:47

just the what those are. They invited the

6:50

facility they meet with the team that beat

6:52

with the coaches. Those. Who

6:54

the medicals? They get a feel and some

6:56

of the characters like. There's a lot of

6:58

reasons that teams can use these top thirties

7:00

and in reasons they do. It's.

7:02

To find out the medical stuff, It's to find

7:05

out. You. Know character concerns

7:07

it sometimes to recruit. He.

7:10

Owes them a your undrafted free agent types.

7:12

Some teams will use these opportunity to may

7:14

be up to some of their priority free

7:16

agents and say hey. You. Know we'd

7:18

love. yeah what was your room be able to drafted

7:20

but we'd love you to come to Kansas City. So.

7:23

There's a lot of different reasons that you can. can I

7:25

use these visits? And will listen to

7:28

it. We got twenty two visits here. Of

7:30

the thirty, so there's a flown out there. Are.

7:34

You can try to see if you'd listened to some of

7:36

those names. Varying spots in

7:38

the draft board. Craig.

7:40

This and things even theorizing and thinking about

7:43

a little be ne not just today, but

7:45

this last couple weeks about. You. Know

7:47

that the trends in what we know. About

7:49

the top thirty visits for the cheese. Yeah,

7:52

I wrote an article last Friday for the

7:54

tastiest and sub staggered case yes, and

7:56

a sub sector county by the draft guide

7:58

to to do that. Access to that

8:01

to you should do that instead.

8:03

I'm but. I.

8:05

Looked at kind of historically were bred.

8:07

Each has done here and I know

8:09

that prior to breads each we really

8:11

pay very much attention to these top

8:14

thirty visits. Are these thirty visits? because.

8:16

By. And large guys were brought in and

8:18

in. The Chiefs just didn't drafted. he. Under.

8:22

Bread each. They have spent a lot

8:24

of time with a lot of guys

8:26

that they have simultaneously drafted. Or.

8:29

May. Have gotten very close to drive it like they like

8:31

to guy and we're looking for him to fall and

8:33

things like that. Just. Leaves Jail

8:35

and Watson the are those those guys.

8:37

With thirty visits last year they had

8:40

several thirty visits that they picked up.

8:42

Bj Thompson was one of those guys

8:44

were see Rice was one of those

8:47

guys, Truman Jones or they added new

8:49

Gf Eight was one of those guys

8:51

they consistently added from this group. Under

8:54

Brett Feet and the thing that has been

8:56

most interesting to me. get my talked about

8:58

this a little bit but now we have

9:00

an update. We have twenty two. Of

9:02

the thirty visits, and those are just

9:04

the reported ones right now, so there's

9:06

a floating out there. Could certainly changed

9:08

my theory. They. Don't have

9:11

anybody outside of a Kingsley so

9:13

much higher. That. Is inside

9:15

the. Consensus. Top

9:18

Fifty. Of the Nfl

9:20

draft right now and in previous

9:22

years. They had Not

9:24

just. A guy inside

9:26

the set a consensus top fifty,

9:28

but multiples five or six guys

9:31

that were either round one guys

9:33

or fringe round one guy's right

9:35

there. I mean, These. Were

9:37

not players that they were like

9:40

oh we're kind of interested in

9:42

that And twenty twenty three it

9:44

was Anton Harrison Quit Johnson Darnell

9:46

Right Team Smith Rush see Rice

9:48

These were guys that they looked

9:50

at in look Watson in the

9:52

previous season to or why it

9:54

sickens they would have Jenkins Greg

9:56

Newsome a Sunday Samuel these are

9:58

all guys. The. Were conceived his

10:01

top fifty guys. At. This year,

10:03

they're just not. Looking. At

10:05

those guys in these reported visit now.

10:08

We. Don't have all thirty visits from previous

10:10

years either Thou one of our make

10:12

that abundantly clear, we don't have the

10:14

full thirty from any of these years

10:17

some of these guys keep under wraps.

10:19

Find out about him later. Yada yada.

10:21

So. Even though we don't have

10:24

all thirty now we've got twenty two. That's

10:26

about what we have every year and they

10:28

haven't touched this upper echelon. They haven't looked

10:30

as any guys that might be falling in

10:33

round one due to character of medical concerns.

10:35

so in my mind it either means they're

10:37

very concrete on the guys that are looking

10:39

at round wanted. They don't feel like they're

10:42

gonna bring in guys with medical or character

10:44

concerns. Or. They're. Willing

10:46

to trade big you know to try and

10:48

move up for a guy and they just

10:50

know who those guys are. So a why

10:53

concern ourselves with anybody else? Or.

10:56

Probably. More likely they're willing to trade

10:58

back. And. They are evaluating

11:00

car that pocket that sweet spot. Or.

11:02

Round pick fifty in a little bit

11:05

later. try indo, evaluate some of these

11:07

guys. Trade back, recoup some more assets.

11:09

I know that that's not your the

11:11

kind of the sexiest thing to happen

11:14

year, but in a draft class that

11:16

has really good wide receivers and really

11:18

good offensive lineman. Pick

11:20

in it takes fifty and recoup

11:22

in a couple more pics. is

11:24

probably not a bad idea from

11:26

a roster building perspective. And. The

11:29

top thirty visits that we know about right

11:31

now kind of a live with some of

11:33

that stretched. I

11:35

even before accredited did the

11:37

late. Work. On this every home I saw

11:40

et ses visit as like ah That's interesting

11:42

because after a while they start the stacked up

11:44

and they're like these. Are. All dies

11:46

their bid. Route players that are some weight.

11:48

Day Three Guys They have had a lot

11:50

of visits with offensive lineman that are tied

11:52

to slated to be Day Three picks and

11:54

stuff like sizes and that's not. that's not

11:56

entirely out of the ordinary. Doesn't. Mean anything

11:58

to me or during those guided. There's plenty of

12:01

reasons to do with that make it has a

12:03

sense but it was The fact that they're hadn't

12:05

really been any. Top. Like Craig said, Top

12:07

Fifty Guys even like one is hop One hundred

12:09

guys do a Guaranteed Top One Hundred guys that

12:12

were. Making this list like the whole some of her

12:14

at found it interesting this year were you always think

12:16

as it gets. Closer a few more going to

12:18

get dropped. was you your A In all the

12:20

visits have been that are most likely to be

12:22

adults have been announced they be a couple more

12:25

will trick What'd? Yes we are still missing about

12:27

eight of them that we will ever hear about

12:29

it or anything like that right? But. We're

12:32

sitting here and there's one guy. it's on

12:34

the top fifty, the consensus portrayed and that

12:36

is that little different for the trees. And

12:38

so whether. That needs a trade up for trade

12:40

back or treating of the fix. I could definitely see.

12:42

Like by the logic attacks with their like

12:44

it makes sense they or do with a

12:46

lot of laid work on any body not

12:48

just like a guy they what what anybody

12:50

that is gonna be drafted their license a

12:52

public legwork not not illegal order to the

12:54

they are doing things publicly that we know

12:57

of and for guys that could be available

12:59

towards the end of round one. The.

13:01

One issue with this though is it's kind of the

13:03

trade would you? The kids and seats with other teams

13:05

does not want to change or trade with you. They

13:07

tried to trade back a couple different times and it.

13:09

Hasn't. Worked they tried to trade up a

13:12

couple different times and as at work they

13:14

consider trading for players that hasn't worked. So

13:16

what? Are you know that would I

13:18

would assume they would have to have a. Fried.

13:20

Agreed something agreed upon if this was part of

13:22

the strategy of the idea was hey, we're not

13:24

gonna pick a thirty two because of x, y

13:27

or z then would already have to have a

13:29

treat. Agreed. Zoo and it seems a little unlikely

13:31

that the Chiefs of all teams right now or

13:33

that spot by just I find the overall idea

13:35

of fascinating. That they are just like hey, We.

13:38

Don't need to bring in anybody in this

13:40

reach. Unless. The pic is

13:42

for. A. Veteran player or be dad's that

13:44

could be something. Words like hey, we don't

13:46

You look at this rate because we're trading

13:48

that paid for bedroom blurred. Yeah, I think

13:50

that's the least likely of those scenarios, but

13:52

would certainly alliance. K

13:54

So. One. thing tide

13:56

of worth examining and having the congress

13:58

it about. When it

14:00

comes to ah, How

14:03

they've kind of that that the

14:05

public ones the public. top thirty

14:08

or thirty visits had. This team

14:10

has. Has out there Take. Ah,

14:13

If you look at Dane Burglar, he

14:15

did the athletics ah of four seven

14:17

round mach two years something as a

14:20

little bit interesting. First off there is

14:22

no top thirty player that the Chiefs

14:24

have ah publicly put. Outdoor that

14:26

is publicly out there that is in round

14:29

one of the Burglars month. Now.

14:34

Here's the it's singing the Me Picks

14:36

Thirty four. Thirty.

14:38

Eight. Forty. Three. Or.

14:41

Players. That. Dane.

14:44

Burglar has. Ah,

14:47

Mocked. You know at that that she's

14:49

of had thirty minutes with batting lucille much

14:51

I at thirty four. Marshawn.

14:54

Neil. and at thirty eight, And

14:56

ah my called junior. Ah,

15:00

at pick forty three. I

15:02

think we know we cutting gone back and forth on this and.

15:05

I. Agree. Like the consensus on those

15:07

guys is. At. Little

15:09

stats a little rich. Yeah, now that's a

15:11

little reached for for my blood. The little

15:13

river. All of our blood. Kings

15:16

lead. Probably. The

15:18

closest I. It's funnily enough. Yeah, it's easy

15:20

to the he's the one guy that you

15:22

would be. Oh, I get thirty two Gb

15:24

like Okay, yeah, Nine? Yeah, I get it.

15:27

Yeah, I'd signed. Ah, We.

15:29

Talked about doing like of a form of

15:31

mock draft with just the top thirty guys

15:33

went on to decide to talk about him

15:35

instead. But.

15:38

I it's I just found that interesting

15:40

that you know food at it from

15:42

a consensus perspective when you're looking at

15:44

kind of a fool no value waiters

15:47

out there doing old doing the work

15:49

they do. the perception of the sewer

15:51

much higher than Neil and. Michael.

15:54

Maybe isn't quite as high as

15:56

we all perceive. Ah, you

15:58

know, or maybe it maybe the. The things

16:00

little bit higher to date is pretty pretty

16:02

plugged into. So. Just

16:04

like it's a like at there's not a it

16:07

is. Our pool of players are overly excited about

16:09

she's in at thirty two but as he had

16:11

out that it admits he is scares me. It

16:13

kind of like one of those Okay, maybe maybe

16:15

this is something that's more play than we think.

16:18

And. It's less about they have to draft

16:20

from the top thirty. I want to be

16:23

clear because when surf out of vocalize that

16:25

yet they do it all the time. To

16:27

be Duffy, George Colossus year they they do

16:29

it all the time. But. They

16:31

also do work on followers in

16:33

round one. They also do work

16:36

on guys with character concerned with.

16:38

You. Know. Injury history with things

16:40

like that and there are plenty.

16:43

Of round one Guys like

16:45

that in this draft. That.

16:47

They reportedly have done zero work on

16:50

and those that have the guys that

16:52

they try and evaluate they sit there

16:54

and they go hey. Eighty.

16:56

Mitchell might be around a pic. thirty

16:58

two. He's got reported care to concerts,

17:00

baby, some medical stuff as well as

17:02

a new right target for a guy

17:04

that they would bring in for a

17:06

top thirty visits and I'll be like

17:08

okay that again burglars mock got mock

17:11

trial rig to the teeth. Correct.

17:13

So like that's that's a situation where

17:15

you would expect them to have set

17:17

a guy like that. You would expect

17:19

them to vet some guys that have

17:21

gone much earlier in the draft pick

17:23

up some a land Mcconkey out of

17:25

undersized wide receiver The his best time

17:28

is last two seasons due to injury.

17:30

Or Koolaid Mckinstry who reportedly was

17:32

playing with a little bit of

17:35

an injury. Eight Cooper Juice Gene

17:37

who assist us that the I

17:39

Know kid I buy and said

17:41

it right for you to buy

17:43

a Cooper disease that. You. Know

17:45

he he, he's a guy that also had

17:48

injuries. These are all guys. It would be

17:50

fine. Round one picks in the past. Even

17:52

as the chief worked super high on those

17:54

sorts of guys, it's like, okay, we need

17:56

to take a look at this guy. We

17:58

need to see if this bit. With when

18:00

what we are trying to do because they

18:02

still might be the best player on our

18:04

board and because there's been. None.

18:07

Of those again, they can draft outside

18:09

of those guys. Not saying that, gotta

18:11

live within the boundaries of the top

18:13

thirty, but it's the pockets that they

18:15

brought guys in on that have really

18:17

raise my brow compared. To. The past

18:19

years when they've been looking at guys

18:21

the with way earlier than they picked

18:23

and run one just in case they

18:25

fell foreign. And I

18:27

want to add to this still on

18:29

if we drift back to that combine,

18:31

you at the combine teams had interviews

18:33

with players in whether they're in formal

18:36

formal gets a little tricky to find

18:38

out what just for more interviews Guys

18:40

that have dig at your that you

18:42

were able to. I'm like save these

18:44

with a formal interview that they had.

18:46

Dareus Robinson top fifty player Ah Xavier

18:48

where the top fifty player Troy Franklin

18:50

top fifty player. Detail. Dnc interest

18:52

just outside the tops. It's like fifty

18:54

two with close eye to least lager.

18:56

Probably. Not gonna be available but

18:59

a game. Of tennis player fish

19:01

Fitness his. Eyes That They spit formal interview

19:03

slots which are limited at the Nfl Combine, so

19:05

I did. They also met with guys like in.

19:08

His Rig Straws, Brides Harvest Junior. Like there's other

19:10

guys the top they did. They at least met

19:12

with the some degree we don't know. formal or

19:14

informal. So there. Is a T. It's to that

19:16

they just felt good of anything that lab a

19:18

coffee they also that doesn't see that they just

19:20

felt good with what they had from the carbide

19:23

and they did it mean to bring any of

19:25

these guys in for a second visit or anything

19:27

like that like it's not like they have been

19:29

completely ignoring the operator the draft they used some

19:31

other have limited resources at the Carbide to interview

19:33

guys also won that race like. It's not

19:35

the same as a top thirty visit and there is a

19:37

history. Like pride go back in the previous years.

19:39

That said a even in previous years they've done

19:42

this Ives I believe they bet with parole officer

19:44

the com I didn't bring him in for top

19:46

thirty visit correct and it was like paid me

19:48

feel good about of we don't need to bring

19:50

an end to that, there's very much it's he

19:52

has a similar thing is already happened this year

19:54

for the team spreading it's. And been an interesting

19:57

happens they that they aren't bring in any

19:59

body beside me kimberly from a or that

20:01

see callously the be around one thick. Yeah.

20:05

I mean, even even with those guys in

20:07

the mix they still were bringing in round

20:09

one. Top Thirty makes it even though they

20:12

love Trebek Duffy and they love George, Karl

20:14

Loftus. Yeah, so a it's just. Another.

20:17

Data point for us to throw into the next

20:19

year with about a week left ago. Real.

20:21

Quick. Speed. Round One

20:24

player from the Chiefs. Thirty visits that you

20:26

really want to see Be at Sheath. This.

20:29

Time to eat some now, Matty Go.

20:32

Ah Javan Bakers out the bucks you

20:34

get one. L got in.

20:38

This is why you get one. oh

20:40

that my that other. I take it back and

20:42

redo pick one. Big. One of

20:44

them. So I gotta pick one of Javan baker job

20:46

and Brooks my top two guys it from the sea

20:49

salt Thirty this that I would want to be seats

20:51

like yet new. Brooks a baker. Ah I'm. Images

20:53

image of on it news about Baker. I think that's

20:55

ago when he played a little bit more a priority

20:57

position of Aids or that Brooks is right there on

20:59

as he also like a one a one be situation.

21:02

Craig. That was Vagrant

21:04

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21:08

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21:10

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21:12

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21:14

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21:17

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21:19

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21:22

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he was happening at. not like he is was

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walking. Another child in the world are a thing.

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Ah, Cool.

27:00

Thanks for just new king that

27:02

but. As of. Last

27:05

year we were looking at Point Ward. The

27:08

show. That. Hinges

27:10

on this moment. My. Lotta

27:12

taking a break, Tucker. Okay,

27:17

Ah, We. I know,

27:19

I get that big. There was a moment kind of. Mid.

27:23

Mid first round where we were sitting there talking

27:25

and film. Pretty good about where the board with

27:27

it and how the boy was sitting for the

27:29

cheese and it just real quickly. We. Knew

27:32

there was some big moments coming up in the

27:34

draft when he came to the receivers and opportunities

27:36

and train a popped eat lot of and it

27:38

just it just didn't fall for them well at

27:41

all. And select

27:43

with our about maybe that in as toggled

27:45

Rossum the potential turning point that we see

27:47

in the first round and maybe potential players.

27:50

Teams. Those kind of moments. So Matty,

27:52

give us one that you're kind of penitence into.

27:55

Who. Have any, it makes the most. It's I

27:57

guess aside, the topic is kind of work or.

28:00

They are way down a little bit and like

28:02

I don't know where the first the first. One

28:04

is I guess I mean it's this of got.

28:06

I. Have I have one? Ah

28:09

yes lets you have a i'm a pretty

28:11

early what other A I I think. Wherever.

28:14

Wide receivers Three goes is going to be

28:16

very interesting to me as early. the What?

28:18

Ayodhya yeah I know and it's Ice Chicago.

28:21

Does he have? Would? Does Roma? do? They

28:23

go on at nine. You. Know

28:25

where did that first receiver go? I

28:27

or that third receiver go. I beat him and Minute

28:29

Mirror of A Dunes A by a kind of pills.

28:31

I guess it's turning in that direction. I

28:34

think the third wide receiver off the board. One.

28:36

The of Canada seem to me and I'm not saying that

28:38

she's are gonna go all the way up and go get

28:40

roman dunes a. But Roma.

28:43

Dunes a top five pick in next

28:45

year's draft. Probably.

28:47

He just happens to fall in a

28:49

draft that has. For. Quarterbacks going

28:52

in the first. Six. Pigs.

28:54

And. Three tier one

28:57

wide receivers. I. Am

28:59

not saying that the seats said go

29:01

down the com or hour debate if

29:03

he felt that nine. I at least

29:05

try think because you're never going to

29:07

be in a situation to get. This.

29:10

Kind of talent at and like and

29:12

that low in the draft of like

29:14

rarely ever again that fits your needs

29:16

exactly. A. What I'm paying attention to the

29:18

where the third receiver goes off the board our early

29:20

because that as he. Creates.

29:22

The. The. Of the the ryan where

29:25

does the run start a wide receivers and I

29:27

think that some bitches we had been painted still.

29:30

I definitely think it matters. Readily think

29:32

it matters where the third wide receiver

29:35

goes. I. Just think there's a big enough

29:37

gap between the top three, the top four, and

29:39

the rest of the wide receivers that I don't

29:41

know as it is actually met with. On with

29:43

the A do they are the third wide receiver.

29:46

Does it go up? Pick nine. Ago that

29:48

what pick ten goes it take twelve. is

29:50

that really old? their much else I guess

29:52

of the draft from that point rez I

29:54

agree though don't or the does or does

29:57

it as his idol was necessarily you're a.

29:59

Doomsday. Or whoever is going to couple

30:01

pics later altering the old wrap the whole first

30:03

round. The drop in a good a good that.

30:06

Way. If you pass on those, stop the

30:09

words he was with analogy Lv Ruff. Yeah.

30:12

It would be really rough. I mean

30:14

I'm at. I would be reticent to

30:16

trade that much capital I get. Roman

30:18

do their best player may even put

30:20

a special pro player I wouldn't you

30:22

know? I mean what A Let let

30:25

me ask this question kit. Do.

30:28

The chief good easing for Ted Cruz

30:30

going to Chicago? kids can we? Can

30:32

We work that into the deal with

30:34

the director And now that we get.

30:36

okay, so yeah, that means that I'm

30:39

probably not willing to give up that

30:41

much. For. That guy. Even

30:43

as much as I love him, I

30:45

am Pay attention if he starts. Falling.

30:48

Make if he makes it past the cargo. He

30:51

might. Last. For just a

30:53

little bit here, he might be a

30:56

guy that could fall into the early

30:58

teens and they announced super interested. So

31:00

I'm so long with your line of

31:02

thinking wide receiver, three where he goes,

31:04

it's going to kind of. Open.

31:06

The floodgates for the rest of the

31:09

city goes that early. That means that

31:11

there's going the other teams the hell

31:13

like in the Vegas. Maybe an hour

31:15

indeed that are going to. Be.

31:18

Reaching deeper into what they expect years

31:20

if a Roma doozies their that chef

31:22

some guys down, you feel little bit

31:24

more comfortable in a smaller trade up

31:26

for a guy the didn't think it

31:28

was gonna be there like all I

31:30

terrific Duffy. So I do think that

31:32

wide receiver three go to a hinge

31:34

point. I just don't. For. See

31:36

a scenario where wide receiver

31:39

three balls past numbered. I.

31:42

Say that still the bedding favorite would be

31:44

somewhere around there, but to slight I think

31:47

that's a pretty. That's

31:49

a domino that I'm very much pay attention to

31:51

and ten of what the after aftermath for the

31:53

past catches his after that Matty, what's one you

31:55

have on your mind. Yet. No by

31:58

next of my my earliest why they have. The

32:00

real throughout the first. Round my big would

32:02

hear it is he sticks. Pick eleven, Twelve

32:04

thirteen. That's. The Vikings, The Broncos

32:06

A. The Raiders biking for dessert.

32:09

Probably. The car that yes bullet through that

32:11

door. so is there. Is

32:13

there a sith quarterback that is going in round

32:15

one and that's kind of v the stretch. If

32:17

he gets past that we I don't see it.

32:19

I don't think any was in a trade up

32:22

in the back half of the first. Round for

32:24

both legs are Michael panics I don't think they are

32:26

guys you if you're good. I like the teams that

32:28

would take them are those Qb media teams are already

32:30

dropping in the middle the first round. You're not there

32:32

when the way it's honey capital to good job up

32:35

with the top. Had to take one of those guys

32:37

so if they get by the Vikings were now. And.

32:39

The Broncos in the Raiders and there's not a

32:41

fifth quarterback off the board. I don't expect five

32:44

quarterbacks off the board, but if they do, That's.

32:46

Good That's great for the Chiefs that's pushing

32:48

down another player that's not a quarterback towards

32:50

six thirty two and I think that's a

32:52

good spot to do it. I also think

32:54

you take one of them off the board

32:56

there. that increases the likelihood or the odds.

32:58

They nother t baby gets a little. Your.

33:01

Qb Envy and towards considering coming up for

33:03

one were taking one of the first round

33:05

that they would be come back and take

33:07

on day two. If not so backstretch to

33:09

be five I think would be very helpful

33:11

for the Chiefs. Odd couple of worth.

33:14

Of. Qb fives massive where you

33:16

if bone nukes or michael panics

33:19

is a first round player.

33:21

You. Feel really good about the chief situation

33:23

even if the teacher training out of

33:25

pick thirty two so somebody can pick

33:27

Michael, Phoenix or Bone next like you

33:29

feel good about the scenario that the

33:32

teaser in their subject to be Qb

33:34

Five Matters or town in here I'm

33:36

I'm a bad I don't think we're

33:38

gonna see it. I. Do think

33:40

that both of those guys. Are. Probably

33:42

going round to like they're just way too

33:44

much like. This isn't like will lead us

33:47

level. Hey this is way too much hype

33:49

and then the simultaneous. Kind. Of try

33:51

to squash it. By. Certain teams that

33:53

you're kind of see it. It's a reaction

33:55

of a i don't talk about him too

33:57

much. We don't want him going to early.

34:00

The last year. Will lead

34:02

us was are rocket to the damn mood

34:04

at this point as a round one point

34:06

always. definitely going round. What do you could

34:08

go? Top fifty like people were. Really?

34:11

Inflating his value to try and you

34:13

know, kind of smokescreen some other stuff.

34:16

As. Bow next. In the panics discourse

34:18

has evolved it you receive the overreaction.

34:20

Now of know I know Now they're

34:22

not going I as much So I do

34:24

think that they're going to be. Fringe.

34:27

Round one that they slip in around one that's

34:29

really. Bonus.

34:32

Is different to me than like a will

34:34

of us last year. Dispute has like i

34:37

think there are some stuff with will love

34:39

this that was beyond just like the field

34:41

and like bonuses. Extremely clean prospect. Ah,

34:45

Bow. Next currently on draft Kings

34:48

is. Heavily favored to

34:50

be a Denver Bronco. Tito.

34:52

Who does not have a second round pick? The

34:56

Denver. I. Am

34:58

not saying it's gotta be at twelve. I.

35:00

Actually think I'm curious deserving. I'm curious if

35:02

someone's trade know with Denver. So Denver to

35:04

move back. hello Becky bid still take a

35:06

bow next or if they're just like you

35:08

know why if we're comfortable taken a met.

35:11

Yet. Else. Eighteen because

35:13

the, yeah, the. Bengals

35:16

are coming up for Brock Bowers or something.

35:19

And. They want they become less taken a t you're comfortable

35:21

and that taken and twelve may just take the got. I

35:24

think five quarterbacks are going. I do think

35:26

five quarterbacks ago adding bone. Next going to

35:28

be Denver Bronco. Somewhere.

35:30

As indians rent but that biased. Ah,

35:33

Betty? you mean other one? Yelled.

35:35

Good. Back to me okay

35:37

though we get other an aspect for

35:40

one I get out one night I

35:42

live on other gonna look at a

35:44

pig eighteen I do not see I

35:46

see to thats probably. Realistically.

35:49

the the end of the wide receiver

35:51

run i think cincinnati could could dip

35:53

in and take another wide receiver tyler

35:55

boyd is not returning t higgins is

35:58

franchise they're gonna page or more chase,

36:00

they're gonna say Joe Burrow has all

36:02

this money. So

36:04

they need another cost control talent to

36:07

give to Joe Burrow so he can throw up 50-50 balls

36:10

and trust and win there. That

36:12

might be Brian Thomas' floor

36:15

or Xavier Worthy's floor.

36:18

And a team like Buffalo, who desperately

36:20

needs a wide receiver, also knows that.

36:22

So I can see them trying to

36:24

get in front of it. Maybe a

36:26

Seattle, trading up with Seattle, trying to

36:28

do that. So I think that

36:31

some of the players that we've talked

36:33

about throughout this process, the Brian Thomas'

36:35

Xavier Worthy's, I think 18 is the

36:37

spot. I think that's where

36:39

the last of them go there.

36:41

So if the Chiefs, one of

36:44

those guys that they put in

36:46

that upper echelon tier of they

36:48

can walk right in, contribute at

36:50

a high level, have this giant

36:53

ceiling that they can really lean on

36:55

later in the rookie contract, I think

36:57

18 is the spot where that kind

36:59

of falls off at that point because Buffalo

37:01

is going to trade up. Can

37:03

I piggyback on that real quick? This

37:06

is my biggest one too. And again, it's a

37:08

stretch for me more than a singular pick.

37:10

So I went 17 through 20, the Jags,

37:12

the Bengals, the Rams not so much, they're

37:14

just there, and then the Pittsburgh Steelers. If

37:17

a wide receiver or especially if two

37:19

wide receivers goes in that stretch, I

37:22

just don't see there's any chance that the Chiefs are going

37:24

to have a guy worth taking at 32 at that

37:27

position. And the reason I include all those teams is

37:29

the Jags desperately tried to get Calvin Ridley

37:31

back and put it. Now they're going to

37:33

trot out Gabe Davis and Zay

37:35

Jones as they're starting outside

37:37

wide receivers. That's not

37:40

good. And the Cincinnati Bengals might be losing or trading

37:42

T-Higgins, and then you're going to be stuck with Justin

37:44

Marchese and a couple

37:46

dudes. That's not good. Now, I don't think the

37:48

Bengals are going to go that route, but maybe

37:50

they will. Well, the Steelers, they've been very, they

37:52

traded Deontay Johnson. It's been very public that they

37:54

would be interested in Brandon Ayuk. Now you don't

37:56

know if that's true or not, but like this

37:59

is a team that. clearly needs more wide receiver

38:01

help. So like that's three teams right there. Now

38:03

they all have significant other needs too. The

38:05

Jags desperately need a starting corner. The Bengals

38:07

need anything on defense plus them off, maybe

38:09

not any offensive line up. They might've showed

38:12

that up actually with the Trent Brown signing.

38:14

And the Steelers desperately need offensive line up.

38:16

So like they could all go different directions.

38:18

I don't even know if wide receiver is

38:20

the primary need for any of those teams.

38:22

But if it's a Brian Thomas Jr. or

38:25

a worthy, or maybe somebody loves a lad

38:27

McConkie or hey, Jacksonville's out there, Ricky Piersall's

38:29

been hanging out with everybody all around there.

38:31

Maybe they pull out a wild card. I'm

38:33

just saying like those three teams and those

38:35

four picks, if you get a wide receiver

38:38

or two off the board in that stretch, then

38:40

the wide receiver position specifically gets a

38:42

little dicey for the Chiefs. Maybe

38:44

it does improve the chance that the

38:46

tackle falls, especially if Pittsburgh passes. Like

38:50

I think that four pick stretch could tell you a lot about

38:52

what might or might not be available for the Chiefs at the end

38:54

of the round. I think there's

38:56

three players personally.

38:59

This is just gut. I

39:01

think that doesn't necessarily tie

39:03

to my personal, like how I personally rank,

39:05

but this is kind of what I think

39:07

like the pocket of players are talking about.

39:10

I think you need to throw Brock Bowers in

39:12

there in some capacity too. I think Brock Bowers

39:15

needs to be kind of somewhere accounted for in

39:17

this pass catcher group. But I

39:19

think it's Brian Thomas Jr., Brock

39:21

Bowers and Xavier Worthy. I

39:24

think there's a chance all three of those guys are

39:26

gone in that pocket or close to

39:28

that pack or you're left with one. And guess what? If

39:30

you're left with one, you're not in great shape. You

39:33

talk about the Buffalo Bills moving up. Arizona,

39:35

well, Arizona Cardinals, if they take Marvin Harris as your

39:37

WL. But I mean,

39:39

there's so many teams, like if you

39:42

told me Dallas took Xavier Worthy. You

39:46

know, I just, I think there's a, I think,

39:50

I'm less optimistic about Worthy and the Bowers,

39:52

especially in that pocket. And

39:54

that being said, one of the spots

39:57

I'm paying attention to is Seattle. And when

39:59

I say, paying attention to, I think

40:01

that's realistically where

40:03

the cheese could start looking to potentially trade out. That's

40:07

about as high as if Seattle's willing to go back and

40:09

accumulate some assets, it's still going to take a good chunk

40:11

of change. But if Brian

40:13

Thomas Jr. is not off the board and they

40:15

love Brian Thomas Jr., if that's the

40:18

case, then that's a spot

40:20

I could see them moving up. I think

40:22

Seattle is a very important piece of this.

40:25

And if teams are trading up ahead of where

40:27

Seattle's picking, then I think

40:29

that tells you that teams are worried about a

40:32

Buffalo or a Kansas City trying to move up

40:34

to go get one of those guys before everybody

40:36

else takes them. So I'm

40:38

paying attention to that Seattle spot too. Maddie,

40:41

any other spots that you're looking at? I

40:45

guess the final one here for me was

40:47

mostly just Baltimore, and it's really close to

40:49

where the cheese pick, right? But

40:51

if you're sitting there and we've talked most of these,

40:53

we've kind of pivoted around the wide receiver position. But

40:56

if we're going to sit here and look at this and come back

40:58

out of it at the end and say, okay, maybe

41:00

the Chiefs have a shot at an offensive tackle that

41:02

they like, whether that is a Guy, a Kingsley, maybe

41:04

a Marius Mims is falling, whoever it is, right? We

41:07

get by Dallas, Green Bay doesn't go for a tackle.

41:09

You get a little bit farther down, but then you're

41:11

sitting there at Baltimore. Baltimore probably

41:13

can use some tackle help too, right? But it's

41:15

Baltimore. They're going to take the best player available,

41:17

almost always. They're going to find the

41:19

draft favorite of draft Twitter. They're going to find the highest

41:22

player left in the consensus board that is falling, and they

41:24

are going to take him almost regardless

41:26

of what the position is. And so it's

41:28

just, yeah, that's the final pick that like, if you want

41:30

to look at this through more of a tackle lens, that's

41:32

the final team that I think you absolutely have

41:34

to leapfrog if you want to get a

41:37

tackle. I don't know if you want to

41:39

be sitting there taking an offensive tackle two

41:41

picks after Baltimore does, because then you're probably

41:43

going to be left with, like we've talked

41:45

about a couple of times, a pretty developmental

41:47

guy that has a very low likelihood of

41:49

doing a lot in year one. But I

41:51

mean, just doing a lot in the NFL

41:54

period because offensive tackles seven, eight, nine don't

41:56

historically hit that often. I mean,

41:58

it seems like one of those. scenarios a

42:01

little bit like last year where pick

42:03

25 could roll around and you're going,

42:05

okay, there's a couple guys like

42:08

this, this could fall and you know, I'm

42:10

projecting that Buffalo is going to trade up

42:12

from 28 and Seattle is going to trade

42:14

back. So naturally they're going to make a

42:16

bad pick there. Like it's just going to,

42:18

Jonathan Brooks, you are a Seattle Seahawks pick

42:21

28. You

42:23

know, but like Tyler new been

42:25

Tyler. Oh, wonderful. Yes. Yeah.

42:28

There you go. Detroit,

42:31

Baltimore, San Francisco, like

42:33

we've talked about San Francisco needs interior

42:35

offensive line help. They're also one

42:38

of those teams that will look at the board and just

42:40

be like, no, we're going to, we're going to take the

42:42

best players on our board. Those three

42:44

teams might gobble up the three good

42:46

players that we would be sitting there

42:48

at pick 25 was like, these guys

42:50

keep falling. Chiefs are going to have

42:53

a shot kind of like last year. And then all of

42:55

a sudden they're all gone. And

42:57

you know, it, it just really feels like

42:59

that is the spot. Baltimore definitely is one

43:02

of those teams that does that. Detroit's been

43:04

really good at doing that lately and San

43:06

Francisco, you know, again, a high flight

43:08

rated player on the board at that point might

43:11

be an interior offensive lineman. So it might work

43:13

out, but it could be

43:15

one of those scenarios where it just

43:17

doesn't fall through basically that, that, that

43:19

greater that's right there in front of

43:21

the chiefs. Pick 32 problems we're talking

43:23

about here, but that really is kind

43:25

of the onslaught where I could see

43:27

the remaining couple of people that you're

43:29

like, man, I can't believe this guy's

43:31

available. Like maybe you can just make

43:33

it a little longer. And then they

43:35

don't and no teams want to trade

43:37

out because they're good players. So

43:40

well, let's just jump into

43:42

24 NFL draft nightmares because

43:44

that is exactly what I

43:46

matter. You look like I don't actually don't care

43:48

if you weren't done. We're going to be

43:50

done. Anyways, 2020.

43:53

Yeah, there's some nightmares that I want to

43:55

talk about because like you literally near

43:59

you just. You about took the entirety of it.

44:03

Last year we know that she's tried to trade up. You

44:06

heard him. Like you heard like, hey, like we

44:08

know that they are trying to trade up with the Cowboys. You

44:11

know, they were trying to move up for certain guys. They

44:14

weren't able to do it. I

44:17

look at, you know, like there's, there's some teams

44:19

in the twenties to, you know, to Maddie's point

44:22

that might make sense to move, you know,

44:24

to, you know, maybe they want to move. But

44:27

if this whole NFL is just like not,

44:29

it's not just the AFC, it's like the

44:31

entire NFL is just like, nah,

44:34

we're good. Nope.

44:37

Sorry. We're not, we're not doing business

44:39

with you here in this draft. What

44:42

if it's both ways? What if it's

44:44

really both directions? Like, nah, we're

44:47

not doing business with you right now. I'm sorry.

44:50

Go polish your rings. But

44:53

we're, we're, they will. They

44:55

will, but you're just going to have

44:57

to stick and pick, not letting the

44:59

chiefs like execute any semblance of what they

45:01

really want to do. Cause like they kind

45:04

of, they got shut out for different reasons

45:06

last year. I'm sure a little bit at

45:08

least. I don't think it was entirely just, we don't

45:10

want to do business with you, but I

45:12

just, I worry. My

45:14

fear would be that they get

45:16

shut out of trading up that

45:19

the risk, the run on receiver happens. Defensive

45:23

linemen don't go and it's

45:26

mostly tackles that have come off the board. And

45:28

here they are with, you know, what's

45:31

their, what's their best, what's their best

45:33

attack plant, right? You know, like what's

45:35

their best route to, is that why

45:37

they're looking at Kingsley, Sua, and Matiah

45:39

or Michael Hall. They can't even trade back. They're just

45:41

kind of having a stick and pick. Like

45:44

that's like one of the nightmare scenarios I think

45:46

for me is that they just, they

45:48

get stuck not being able to move up or down

45:51

and the well runs dry wide receiver

45:53

intact. you're

46:00

picking it 32. So the talent pool is

46:02

always going to be a little diluted once it gets

46:04

down to the cheese of picking it 32. And

46:06

you read even said so this press this week. It's kind

46:09

of like it's good and bad that you're picking here. Hey,

46:11

you won the Super Bowl, but also it's kind

46:13

of hard to find the best guys down at

46:15

pick 32. So let's just yet nobody falls

46:17

the cheese that you really want. They're not able to

46:19

trade up and maybe get a player that is for

46:21

that. They'd really like and it unfortunately

46:23

happens to where the best players available on

46:26

their board at take 32 for guys that

46:28

you know, you feel a lot

46:30

better taking in the 40s or closer to pick

46:32

50 and you just kind of have to sit there

46:34

stand back and reach for it. And like that's

46:36

fine. It is what it is. It happens. It's especially going

46:38

to happen to teams to draft at the end. I

46:41

will say like I think the Chiefs did that a little bit last

46:43

year when they took FAU at pick 32. And

46:46

but at least it was a position of a

46:49

big good value. Right. As a pass rusher, it

46:51

took an athlete. They took an athletic player at

46:53

a position of high value. So like you live

46:55

with it. My big concern is they

46:57

take a non athlete at a position

47:00

of medium value. And it seems, you know,

47:02

unlike us, the case, but there's a good

47:04

chance that an interior offensive lineman is the best player on

47:06

the board at pick 32. And not

47:08

that the Chiefs don't need an interior offensive lineman,

47:10

but man, they come away

47:12

from this draft of the Jackson Powers Johnson, who's a

47:14

very good football player. I don't know how

47:16

I feel about around one pick on another interior offensive lineman

47:18

when you know you're the way that they built out this

47:21

team and the other holes that they have out of it.

47:23

Or they come out of here with like I we've

47:25

talked about a couple interior defensive linemen that are maybe

47:28

like, you know, a little bit better, but they drafted

47:30

guys a little bit more of like

47:32

a Chris Jenkins who has good athletic testing. But like,

47:34

I just don't see him as a high level pass rusher.

47:36

Those are the kind of picks I think you're reaching a

47:38

little bit and not getting a guy with a super high

47:40

ceiling. That's where I think you start to sweat a

47:42

few bullets or I'm just going to throw this one

47:44

in there because we've talked about him enough about this.

47:46

Taking a guy that I don't know, doesn't give very

47:49

good effort for more than like 70 or 30

47:51

percent of his snaps and 80 Mitchell like that. That's what's me

47:53

a little bit. I'm not that one. It's just a little bit

47:56

you say we've talked about it a little bit and

47:58

you use that 70 percent number. That's true. from

48:00

A.D. Mitchell's mouth at the NFL

48:02

Combine for anybody who did not

48:04

hear that. I only run

48:06

routes 70% speed so I can run the

48:08

entire time which is you know a thing

48:11

like that just does not scream a guy that

48:13

the Chiefs are super interested in. Yeah

48:15

that's obviously the scenario I think that's

48:18

the scenario that they ended up with last year

48:20

they took the guy at the top of their

48:22

board with a position of need who still has

48:24

eyes feeling you know we'll see what this year

48:26

brings but they did everything

48:28

that they did last year essentially

48:30

by redshirting their first-round pick and

48:33

you don't want to do that's

48:35

not how you build a football

48:37

team that consistently wins unless that

48:39

guy comes back in year two

48:41

and now all the sudden is

48:43

a stud still could happen but

48:46

you can't keep doing that

48:48

and winning unless you have Patrick Mahomes

48:51

which the Chiefs do so not

48:53

like a the end of the

48:55

world scenario if that happens but if

48:57

they start accumulating these drafts where it's

48:59

just hey they are picking very

49:02

much below value they're doing this part

49:04

of the reason we love the draft

49:06

two years ago is because they caught

49:08

Trivnik Duffy at value and George Karloff

49:10

to sit value like we were ecstatic

49:12

with both of the both of the

49:15

values of those picks at the time

49:17

that they made them so if

49:19

there are ways to still get guys like that

49:22

at the end of the draft with you know

49:24

some small moves and things like that but yeah

49:26

the fear is that you just get completely locked

49:28

down they also haven't lost

49:31

a Super Bowl since that happened so

49:34

there's that Chiefs did trade

49:36

up three times in day three and day

49:38

two and three by the way so like

49:40

they still were able to kind of move

49:42

a little bit after that but I

49:44

think the sled was a little bit more difficult I

49:48

think like it's just positional

49:50

value issues at the end of round and you're

49:52

not really able to move out comfortably

49:55

like or you're having to reach for

49:57

a receiver like you know like if

49:59

you're having the You know like

50:01

Troy Troy Franklin at 32 like

50:03

I'll get it but I'm not

50:05

gonna be like over the moon

50:07

compared like Well, but yeah, I'm

50:09

looking at the consent I'm looking at the consensus board

50:12

right now and you know the 32nd overall player on

50:14

it right now is bow nicks Michael bennix is starting

50:16

one So let's just say neither one of those guys

50:18

go and you put in a worthy and mcconkey who

50:20

are 33 and 34 in their Place

50:23

right the best non quarterback on the board Darius

50:25

Robinson. Are you mad at that pick at 32?

50:27

No No,

50:30

I didn't I understood it like we talked

50:32

about with chomp Robinson earlier this week. I'm

50:35

fine with that I know that they got

50:37

a room like it's probably not the smartest

50:39

usage of the assets, but he's a good

50:42

football player He makes Roy Franklin young

50:44

Colton's Enis rig straw I don't love as much

50:46

in that spot like that one was probably that's

50:48

kind of where I'm starting to get at Okay,

50:51

maybe not like there's a handful of guys

50:53

that are still available that I think are Worthy

50:56

of that 30 second pick in this draft class

50:58

if you're looking at it So like I

51:00

think that's okay I think there's a group

51:02

of guys from pick 20 to pick 50

51:04

that are relatively close So like they shouldn't

51:06

be completely boxed out at pick 32 It's

51:09

just a matter of if you say, you know If

51:11

you're gonna do that make sure it's an athlete a

51:14

guy with the ceiling that plays a position that has

51:16

a big impact It's just kind of where my head

51:18

goes to it Yeah, and

51:20

maybe it's a little bit more of a reach

51:22

Maybe not the name that you were hoping for

51:24

but you're still getting some solid players Just

51:27

right playing the positional value game. Are

51:29

the other like kind of nightmare scenarios that you have

51:32

cooking Matty any other thoughts Not

51:35

for me Craig might have one but like that That's not

51:37

a big one because I think it's I guess it

51:39

I I got stuck my other one in there with

51:41

the AD Mitchell one So that was a yeah, I

51:43

I've got I've got mine and it's a scenario where

51:45

the Chiefs do find a trade-up partner Yeah, go ahead

51:48

get it Well real quick before before we do that

51:50

We are gonna be taking a few draft questions before

51:52

we get out of here So after after this scenario

51:54

if you just want to throw some questions out there

51:57

about the draft Get them in there and we'll

51:59

try to answer a few before we end the show. Craig,

52:02

go ahead and give this, give me your nightmare. Yeah,

52:05

Chiefs find a trade-up partner. Let's say, we'll

52:08

just go ahead and use Seattle, because we've

52:10

been talking about that before. You know,

52:12

they move up to pick 16, they

52:15

give up a lot of capital on

52:17

that scenario. They're giving up a future

52:19

first, plus a little bit, you know,

52:21

they're just to move up to that

52:23

point. And they take

52:26

Brock Bowers, a football player

52:28

that's going to help the Kansas City Chiefs.

52:30

That is, that's the right

52:32

draft range for a Brock Bowers. Like,

52:34

I completely get how he fits in

52:36

Kansas City. I hate giving up

52:39

two first round draft picks for

52:41

a tight end in this draft

52:43

class. He is the one guy

52:45

that should go in round one.

52:48

And we might not see another one go

52:51

until maybe the end of

52:53

round two or round three. You are

52:55

paying a premium to take a guy

52:57

in a bad class when you passed

53:00

on it so many times in previous

53:02

classes, I get trying to fix the

53:04

Kelsey situation as he gets older. Totally

53:06

understand the reasoning, why the Chiefs would do it, which

53:09

is why I'm even bringing it up. I

53:11

hate spending a future

53:14

pick on a smaller tight

53:16

end that is going to line

53:18

up and not be, you know, a guy

53:20

that you're going to, you'll still play him

53:22

with Travis Kelsey, but it's not like now

53:24

all of a sudden you get advantageous mashups.

53:26

Teams are going to match that with sub-packages.

53:28

They're not going to come out and be

53:30

like, Oh, the Chiefs are in 12 personnel.

53:32

They're going to run the ball with Brock

53:34

Bowers and Travis Kelsey on the field. No,

53:36

it's going to be sub-packages. They're going to

53:38

keep DBs on the field. It doesn't solve

53:40

anything that another wide receiver would in that

53:43

scenario as well. Again, you're not replacing Travis

53:45

Kelsey after that. You're trying to get competent,

53:47

tight end play, try and get a

53:49

stud receiver that does a lot of

53:51

the things that Kelsey does. That's the

53:53

realistic scenario to replacing his production at

53:56

the best that you can, trading

53:58

up all those spots. for

54:00

Brock Bowers would just like I would

54:03

not be happy about that while simultaneously

54:05

acknowledging that the offense probably got a

54:07

lot better. I

54:09

get I get what you're saying I

54:12

don't know if it's gonna be a nightmare for

54:14

me the same way it will be for

54:16

you just because like I I know

54:18

it's a narrow and not

54:20

the best logic you know but

54:24

if this team is if this team is trying to go

54:26

grab a blue chip I get it

54:29

you know and I think I think Brock Bowers

54:31

is a blue chip player I think if you

54:33

look at him like a Dalton Kincaid last year

54:35

even and I'm not saying Dalton Kincaid is a

54:37

blue chip but what I'm saying is is you're

54:39

looking at as a big slot even

54:43

I just like he's such a good

54:45

player and he's good after the catch

54:48

and he's a matchup nightmare and

54:50

I get like the athletic testing is a big

54:52

question but man it's like

54:54

it's hard to not walk put on the tape and see

54:56

one of the most dominant college football players 2023 sure but

55:00

if Brian Thomas is there and you're taking

55:02

Brock Bowers over him how you feel about that

55:06

I like Brock Bowers better than I like Brian

55:08

Thomas jr. but I will have the positional

55:11

value argument with you I mean I

55:13

I get it I just I don't

55:15

know if it's like that I don't know if it's

55:17

my doomsday scenario as much as it is just like

55:19

I do that's bold but

55:21

like I will at least understand it

55:23

I guess I think it's two layers

55:25

of risk a size in potential out

55:28

athletic outlier of the tight end position because he

55:30

did a test and he's definitely a small tight

55:32

end and the trade up side of

55:34

it like it's a double risk for me and

55:36

that's a little concerning however you

55:38

get past like the night of and

55:40

you're going to watch the Brock Bowers tape before you

55:43

fall asleep that night you're gonna go to bed

55:45

pretty happy right so it's definitely not a

55:47

doomsday a nightmare scenario for me it's just

55:49

it wouldn't be my preferred one either right

55:51

that's kind of where I feel like I don't

55:53

think I'm I'm not banging the table for it

55:56

right but I'm at

55:58

least you know I'm a minimum I'm

56:00

amenable to it. Let's take a few

56:03

questions before we get out of here. We got

56:05

a few from this one from I got the

56:07

first one. Oh, no, you don't I

56:09

got it the chat Jonathan

56:12

style didn't hear Jonathan Brooks

56:14

in your top 30 visits But saw

56:16

he was you laughed at Seattle picking him But

56:18

what if the Chiefs do that at 32 or

56:21

64 we did mention Jonathan Brooks off the top I

56:24

think he was a medical evaluation pick 32

56:27

not happy I

56:30

like Jonathan Brooks, but I'm not happy with it running back

56:32

at that 32 but Maddie if you get him at 64

56:36

How you feel? I Love

56:38

the pick at 64. I mean I I Understand

56:40

that we have to didn't still even at 64 do

56:43

the positional value conversation, right? I understand that

56:45

that has to happen at that point, but

56:48

at 64 the players good enough He's great

56:50

above that for me even you imply, you know

56:52

put in some devaluation for playing running backs He

56:54

still makes a ton of sense there And I

56:56

think the Chiefs get a young super talented high character

56:59

running back to come in and be your running

57:01

back one that you Can keep on the field

57:03

for every single down that he is willing to

57:05

be out there I am completely fine

57:07

with that player at 64. No questions asked Right,

57:12

he wants you pick the next question. Oh, perfect.

57:14

I'm gonna go with Kenny Kenny with the coke here a

57:16

guy here as Worthy does the same

57:18

thing. This was in reference to me saying a B

57:21

Mitchell takes plays off I gotta get this off my

57:23

chest because this is one of the most annoying things

57:25

to me about the coverage of not even anything Said

57:27

here of a B Mitchell and everybody going back quickly

57:29

to Worthy does the same thing all of Texas wide

57:31

receivers do yes Yes, they do if you were on

57:33

the backside of a play and there is zero chance

57:35

You were getting the ball everybody in that offense just

57:38

stands there and does nothing Completely

57:40

fine. Is it annoying if you're watching it

57:42

and you're like even thinking about coaching? Sure,

57:44

everybody hated all the art riles wide receivers

57:46

forever Jalen Hyatt got torched last year for

57:48

the same thing But that is what they

57:51

do. Absolutely fine. If you want to say

57:53

that every Texas wide receiver does that that's

57:55

okay You know what Xavier Worthy doesn't do

57:57

when he's the backside drag who's the number

57:59

three? He doesn't jog across

58:01

the middle of the field and leave his quarterback trying

58:03

to throw him the football while he's not even paying

58:06

attention and he's going on a stroll through the park

58:08

and not even opening or offering a potential throwing lane

58:10

for his quarterback. When he's

58:12

the clear out that's not going to get the ball but

58:14

he has to clear out space and run a safety out,

58:16

guess who's going to run that at full speed Xavier Worthy.

58:19

Guess who isn't? A.D. Mitchell. I don't

58:21

care about the backside of the plays if you're going to take that

58:23

play off. It's annoying, but do you? If

58:26

you were going to be involved in the structure of the

58:28

play as a clear out runner, if you were going to

58:30

be the number three coming from the backside into the play

58:33

side, you got to play. You got to give it 100%.

58:36

If you're tasked with a slant to cross inside cut

58:38

leverage of a quarterback, you better cross the leverage of

58:40

that quarterback and not just give up on your route

58:42

thinking, oh, I'm out of line. A.D. Mitchell

58:45

does all that stuff that Worthy doesn't. So that's where

58:47

I think the difference between the two of them come

58:49

in. What do you really think,

58:51

Matty? That

58:53

is the thing that annoys you. What I think helps is when

58:55

people brush the A.D. Mitchell takes plays off

58:57

stuff under the rug as all Texas players

58:59

do. Like, yes, they all do, but it's

59:01

not the same. It takes one quarter of

59:03

watching to see A.D. Mitchell play pays 0%

59:07

attention and it gives 0% effort if

59:09

he is not the first read on a play. That's

59:11

the difference between being on the backside and taking the

59:14

play off. Speaking of

59:16

character concerns, why odor O5 Craig?

59:19

How far does Jermaine Burton have to fall

59:21

to watch the route of Alabama until

59:24

you feel comfortable taking him having not been

59:26

in on interviews? Yeah, 64,

59:28

Phil. I think Jermaine Burton is

59:30

a really good football player. Matt

59:32

Harvey just put up his reception

59:34

for him and it's great. He

59:38

even addressed the fact that if

59:41

Jermaine Burton didn't have all this off-field stuff,

59:43

he would be in the White receiver for

59:46

conversation with a Brian Thomas Jr.

59:48

with an Xavier Worthy. So that's

59:50

how good of a football player

59:53

he is. But

59:55

simultaneously, nobody,

59:57

it's like everything we hear is just people who are on

59:59

the field. being like, yeah, no, he's going to go

1:00:01

later than you think. Like he's, it's

1:00:03

not, it's not what you think. Like, yeah,

1:00:06

he's an awesome football player. You turn on

1:00:08

the tape, it's great, but he's

1:00:10

going later. He's going much later. So

1:00:13

it's got to, like these character concerns

1:00:15

are much worse than I think anybody

1:00:18

is really being public about. We haven't heard

1:00:20

any of them. I don't have any knowledge

1:00:22

to that. All we've heard

1:00:24

is just everybody being like, nah,

1:00:26

it's not happening I

1:00:28

think my question would be if you're not willing to

1:00:30

take him at 64, why are you willing to take

1:00:32

him at all? And or 64 95,

1:00:34

whatever you thought it's, it's if, if he's

1:00:36

a sixth round pick and he's good, like

1:00:38

he was at Alabama and we know the

1:00:40

tape is good, but he's still a knucklehead.

1:00:42

He's still giving you problems off the field.

1:00:44

He's still giving you problems. Even

1:00:47

if he's a six round pick, now he's just a six

1:00:49

round pick that gives you problems instead of a third round

1:00:51

pick that gives you problems. So it's like, I

1:00:53

get what people say. It's like, how

1:00:55

we look at this is something that

1:00:57

I'm slowly kind of talking through, thinking

1:01:00

through, like how we view gems in

1:01:02

the NFL is different. And,

1:01:04

you know, I think it's,

1:01:06

you know, sometimes when a

1:01:08

guy when Keely Ringo falls to round

1:01:10

four, I'm kind of out. I think

1:01:13

I'm just out on Keely Ringo, because

1:01:15

there was definitely some What about Trey Smith? If

1:01:18

they liked him and they were clearing his medicals, why

1:01:20

would they not take him earlier than they did? So

1:01:23

that's two things that's different than the

1:01:25

off field stuff for me. I think

1:01:27

medical is a little bit different. What

1:01:30

if it's when it's character, it's a little bit different medical.

1:01:32

I wonder if they had a pretty

1:01:34

good idea on how many teams Trey

1:01:38

Smith was on the board for. I think

1:01:40

it might have just been a we have

1:01:42

a good pulse on on

1:01:45

who would take him and

1:01:48

who won't. And so we think we can

1:01:50

get him here. They didn't wait till round

1:01:53

seven. They just kind of, you know,

1:01:55

I think they had a number of play they kind

1:01:57

of had an idea, I guess would

1:01:59

be would be my kind of my

1:02:02

guess anyways but let's see we can find a

1:02:04

couple more here Maddie

1:02:07

okay let me find this one for you or

1:02:11

do you have one no fire

1:02:13

what someone that one off

1:02:15

my chest no you're good somebody asked

1:02:17

favorite round for day three

1:02:19

tackle project that you like day

1:02:23

three I like Brandon Coleman offensive tackle at a

1:02:25

TCU actually and he didn't play as good in

1:02:27

2023 as he did the previous

1:02:29

year but he was kind of battling with some wrist

1:02:31

stuff all year and this is a guy that didn't

1:02:33

play football until a junior year of high school so

1:02:36

he hasn't played football hardly at all he comes in

1:02:38

you know he has a really good time at TCU

1:02:40

for a couple years he has a little small step backwards

1:02:42

in 2023 but I still don't think it was bad I

1:02:44

just think he's a guy that fits the the profile that

1:02:46

she's like it tackle with the size the arm length

1:02:48

that he has I think he shows some nimble feet

1:02:51

there's some technical stuff that has to be cleaned up

1:02:53

which is why we're talking day three but I really

1:02:55

like Brandon Coleman at TCU I'm surprised that there hasn't

1:02:57

been a little bit more of a push for him

1:03:00

in the middle rounds especially because he's one of the

1:03:02

guys working at OL masterminds and those guys usually do

1:03:04

seem to get a little bit of

1:03:06

a hype going is to get closer to the draft just

1:03:08

because of all the credibility they have down there I

1:03:11

got one Gary Greenfield South Dakota

1:03:13

State offensive tackle set the combine

1:03:16

record for vertical this year

1:03:19

incredibly explosive guy moves really

1:03:21

well the athleticism is

1:03:23

there got to see him

1:03:25

a little bit the shrine got big boy a

1:03:27

couple of times but a guy

1:03:29

that you're probably looking at in like

1:03:32

round six round seven like that's a

1:03:34

worthy stab on athleticism at an offensive

1:03:36

tackle position and guess what don't

1:03:38

work out in space you kick him inside

1:03:40

the cheese are very comfortable doing that with

1:03:42

guys try and play a guy like that

1:03:44

with some movement ability with some explosion have

1:03:46

the Andy hack try and translate that I'd

1:03:48

be cool with taking a stab like that

1:03:50

on athleticism late in the draft Dante

1:03:53

Scroggins will be down this one would you trade up

1:03:55

for Joe all how

1:03:58

far up would you trade up for Joe all Did

1:04:00

you get the both of your faces at the same time? I I'm

1:04:04

not turning up above 16 I think I've

1:04:06

been about this whole time I think I'm kind of

1:04:08

stuck in like the early 20s is the farthest that

1:04:10

I think the cheese would the I think the team

1:04:12

Should be trying to trade up I think any more

1:04:14

than that you're going into mortgaging too much of the

1:04:16

future which then Limits if you don't

1:04:19

hit if you don't hit a home run not

1:04:21

just get a hit but hit a home run

1:04:23

It limits the strength of your overall roster going

1:04:25

forward So like my trade-off limit is probably the

1:04:27

early 20s All is a

1:04:29

guy that I could at least have conversations about in

1:04:32

the teens in the teens Not

1:04:34

the tens not the twelves to move up for

1:04:36

but in the mid teens I could have that

1:04:38

conversation because he is that good. I

1:04:40

mean if he Not

1:04:42

making it past seven at Tennessee like let's be

1:04:45

clear. He's not making it past seven. I think

1:04:47

I'm calling my shot there. He's around

1:04:49

it 15

1:04:51

I'm calling Seattle and saying hey if

1:04:54

Indy doesn't take this guy which they

1:04:56

they won't probably But if

1:04:58

Indy doesn't take this guy, we're making

1:05:00

this trade right now pick 16 because

1:05:02

we love Joe all I don't know

1:05:05

why he would fall that far. But

1:05:07

yeah, that that's it I'm just not

1:05:09

willing to make the sacrifice

1:05:11

of now Multiple

1:05:13

future high picks to try and

1:05:15

go do that even though it

1:05:17

probably fixed offensive tackle for a

1:05:20

long time for this I'd

1:05:23

trade up for both of you. That's gonna do

1:05:25

it for the Casey laboratory. Thank you so

1:05:27

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1:05:31

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