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later down the road. But.

3:58

Today. On see Smith

4:00

Pie cast James Palmer made a

4:02

comment that the Chiefs are preparing

4:04

war receive rise to be suspended.

4:07

For. Half the season basically

4:09

at as a result of

4:11

his ah issue wow with

4:14

Be. Very. Fast,

4:16

the hit and run in

4:18

all of the impending issues

4:20

associated with that. So the

4:22

expectation is that. Ah, That.

4:25

He will be suspended for eight games. Maddie

4:27

tried to make it as funny as humanly

4:29

possible when he posted a clip of it.

4:32

By. posting a that like triple speed

4:34

and barely being under the able to understand

4:36

any but how do you listen. To.

4:39

How do you listen to podcasts that quickly? That.

4:42

Was only one aspect. buddy nights

4:44

that's pretty low. I'll at every

4:46

it's pretty normal body. Young

4:49

I saw it using a I because I.

4:51

Got the two times I'd like sports podcast

4:53

and it makes completely fine. You could still

4:55

retain all the. Info in your it I

4:57

just was do enough comedy podcast. The Time

5:00

the loses its edge. When you go to

5:02

times the one has sweet spot so the fact

5:04

that you thought that was faster or at least

5:06

the subject and old I wanna know I do

5:08

People it's not that one of the has been.

5:11

Yes, That's absolutely. We.

5:14

Met people at the party on Saturday. There were

5:16

like it's weird years you at normal speed. Yet.

5:19

That's what struggle I sounded. So

5:21

off on night one was because well

5:23

heck I was He iowa me into

5:25

this know if it is this of

5:27

oh that we started about these farmers

5:30

com it's all under see rice it

5:32

wasn't a report he didn't say officially.

5:34

This. Is nothing like hey, I've heard this

5:36

is coming for sure He was a very

5:38

nonchalant. A receipt rice is going to

5:41

be suspended. We can go out and

5:43

say that was essentially alley phrased it

5:45

endings. You follow that up with they're.

5:47

Expecting it to be. A

5:50

half a season at least now of Abbott

5:52

import things at what the word at least.

5:54

At the end say like have a season

5:56

that least that seems extremely. Aggressive but

5:58

putting at. Least. On there. The hoarding it

6:00

just half the season. It. Might be like

6:02

the Nfl try to make a statement here. This

6:04

feels like a situation where the other felt like

6:07

hey, we had the Henry Rugs issue. And.

6:09

We did it. Get. To or we

6:11

did, it has to directly punish that. I don't know the

6:13

best, the right they did add. The directly point is that.

6:16

They. Couldn't do we think about Zealand Quarter

6:18

cause he technically was his employees with. That

6:20

said, Jewish or does yoga yet your guard.

6:22

With that situation happen, they couldn't. Punish Him!

6:24

We now getting another racing incident.

6:26

That leads to a crash. dangerous

6:28

situation. They finally have a chance to punish one

6:30

of these at this might. Be a moment where they see

6:33

that as like hey, We're. Going to put

6:35

our foot down here is a don't do this,

6:37

We're going to make it example and then I

6:39

thought it was very important they did not ever

6:41

mentioned this season at any point in time during

6:43

office compresses. Yes, By and

6:45

again to require. This. Is

6:48

James Palmer on Steve Smith podcast

6:50

is not coming from the Nfl

6:52

but James farmers as connected to

6:54

the cheeses anybody else and when

6:56

he says. They. Are.

6:59

Expecting at least half a season that

7:01

they in question is the Chiefs now

7:03

this could just be t the city

7:05

insulating themselves a little bit. Insane A

7:08

listen, we're expecting the worst in hoping

7:10

for the best. From a suspension standpoint

7:12

here we think that if we just

7:14

go in and we're expecting this to

7:17

get not just the season, Could.

7:19

Be next season. I.

7:21

Have just very serious because we've seen these

7:23

things. Take. A little while the

7:25

play out in the courts. This is how

7:28

the court system in the legal system works.

7:30

It's not something where you rush through any

7:32

of this and because of that we have

7:34

seen. Court. Dates and things

7:36

like that that have gotten settled. During.

7:38

The season or very close to the start

7:40

of the season and the Nfl has said.

7:43

We. are going to take our time

7:45

and we're going to hand down that

7:48

suspension the next year we have heard

7:50

some kind of vague reports from other

7:52

national media people that it's maybe this

7:54

isn't happening this season it might be

7:56

reasonable to expect something to happen next

7:59

season so I'm gonna pay attention

8:01

to the timing of this, but yeah, it

8:03

jumped out at me that James Palmer says

8:06

Hey, they the Chiefs are

8:09

expecting at least eight games

8:11

there because I

8:13

think we'd heard or maybe suspected it

8:16

might be a four to six kind

8:18

of scenario again, but We

8:20

also kind of heard some behind the

8:22

scenes stuff that they might be looking

8:24

to make an example of this You

8:26

know taking full advantage of this trying

8:28

to curtail this behavior. I don't

8:30

know we're gonna see again There's nothing

8:32

official here. It was just

8:35

very interesting how matter-of-factly he said

8:37

they are

8:40

expecting at least eight games and expecting

8:45

Kind of makes me just feel like

8:47

they're expecting something to happen this year Honestly,

8:50

like I know I know we're talking about the

8:52

legal system and it takes a while and all

8:54

that stuff It just feels like if they're already

8:57

kind of preparing or expecting it Doesn't it

8:59

kind of feel like they might

9:01

be getting something coming down the pike this year?

9:03

Like I don't know. I I think they're probably

9:05

planning for it just in case would be my

9:08

guess uh,

9:10

and that kind of brings up the next thing we kind of want

9:12

to talk about a little bit is The

9:14

Chiefs in their wide receiver situation. So Let's

9:17

say Rishi Rice does miss some time We

9:20

are looking at Hollywood Brown we are

9:22

looking at Xavier Worthy Travis Kelsey which

9:25

Can first off let me ask the question to

9:27

you guys. Is that better than last year's group? Yes Oh,

9:31

I'm sorry, was that too fast? Yes Okay,

9:34

don't go a little slower for the one and a half people

9:38

Next time is it better? Oh

9:41

my lord, this is this is great. Um

9:44

Is it better than last year's group knowing

9:46

what we know now? Absolutely like unequivocally Yes

9:49

Do do I think that the team feels

9:51

that this unit is better without Rishi Rice? If

9:53

Rishi Rice is applying do I think that they

9:55

feel like this unit right now is better

9:57

than what they felt going into week one last year?

10:00

I don't know. I think this team had

10:02

pretty high expectations for MVS to develop into

10:05

more than what he had. I

10:07

thought they legitimately believed in Canarius Tony last

10:09

year and that guy more was ready for

10:11

a big jump. So like, I don't know.

10:13

I think they were a little higher on

10:15

last year's wide receiver group going into week

10:17

one than obviously we are

10:20

going to be now. So like, probably about

10:22

the same would be my guess

10:24

without using hindsight. And

10:26

my counter argument to that would be yes,

10:28

because I agree with all that, Mattie. They

10:31

had high hopes that Skymore was

10:33

going to take a year to jump. MVS

10:35

was going to maybe

10:38

just be what he was the year

10:40

before, which I think everybody remembers just

10:42

last year. He was decent

10:44

the year before. They're

10:48

walking into this season without real

10:50

expectations on Canarius Tony. I don't care what they say.

10:53

Oh, he's the most talented wide receiver in the room.

10:55

Oh, we can't wait to see him on the field

10:57

again. They know they're not don't they're

10:59

not going to get fooled three times by it. They're

11:02

not walking into this season saying, okay, Skymore is going

11:04

to make a year three jump. So

11:06

I do think that they are

11:08

insulating themselves a little bit better.

11:10

Hollywood Brown is closer

11:13

to a wide receiver one than anybody else

11:15

that they had on the roster last year.

11:18

Bar none. We were closer

11:20

than a wide receiver one to two years ago. Oh,

11:23

absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.

11:26

So we were all

11:28

walking into last year thinking, oh, let's

11:30

see what happens with Rashi Rice. They

11:32

obviously have all these young swings that

11:34

they are taking into position. Largely

11:37

they didn't work out. I don't know that

11:39

we were super high on Rashi, but they

11:41

definitely were. Xavier Worthy is a more pro

11:43

ready receiver than Rashi Rice was when he

11:45

walked into this room. He

11:47

runs a more complete route tree. He integrates

11:49

into the offense in a better way than

11:51

Rashi Rice did when he stepped onto the

11:53

field week one. So I'm looking

11:55

at it from the perspective of, yes,

11:58

this is a better wide receiver. receiver

12:00

room week one because the ceiling was

12:02

raised and the floor was raised by

12:04

this group and the expectation isn't just

12:06

we're going to force speed the ball

12:08

to Caderius Tony and Sky more and

12:10

hope this worked out because that's what

12:13

they did early on last season and

12:15

it didn't work out. They're not going

12:17

to go into this season saying, yeah,

12:19

that's what we're going to do. That's

12:22

just not the case. I don't want

12:24

to be too

12:26

rude to Caderius and Sky but

12:29

the failed experiments

12:32

are still on the roster. Caderius

12:35

Tony, Skymore still on the roster,

12:39

maybe a chance that one

12:41

of them has a bounce back and is able to

12:43

get involved in some capacity. I was going to be

12:46

a betting man. I'd say it's Caderius Tony just the

12:48

way that Brett Meech talked about him. But

12:53

it's worth asking, do we think the Chiefs need to add

12:55

a veteran wide receiver, especially if Rishi Rice is going to

12:57

be missing some time, Matti? Well,

12:59

I think this goes back to something that you

13:01

and I picked up during Brett Meech's latest press

13:04

conference. He was talking

13:06

about the Jaden Hicks pick and he said that

13:08

that was just the best player available despite

13:10

the team still having needs there

13:12

in round four and he listed

13:14

cornerback, defensive line and

13:17

wide receiver. He said need for

13:19

wide receiver. Even when talking about the

13:21

final pick of the draft in T.J. Hanson, he

13:23

said, yeah, there were other positions that might

13:25

have been of bigger needs, but we wanted

13:27

to get this athletic player and not have

13:29

to deal with the negotiations and undrafted frations.

13:31

So I think it's pretty safe to

13:34

say this team feels like they have a

13:36

not need, but an open slot of

13:38

some kind for a wide receiver. Now

13:40

that doesn't mean they need a guy that's going to start.

13:42

That doesn't mean that they need something else. I think

13:44

it's clear this team was kind of looking at this

13:47

going into the draft with two potential spots

13:49

at wide receiver. Maybe one of those is

13:52

to cover themselves from a Rishi

13:54

Rice suspension. Maybe it's just the overall outlook

13:56

on the room. So I

13:58

thought this before he said that, but I think Brett, you

14:00

saying that is kind of like drove it home. Yeah, they

14:02

probably should add a veteran wide receiver if they think

14:04

we see rice is going to be suspended now Guys,

14:07

I have two notebooks pages here of

14:10

information of stats about the wide receiver

14:12

free agents that would fill Rishi rice's

14:15

role I'm not gonna read out every single stat

14:17

on here people listening. That's not great audio content

14:19

Thank God see this though What we looked for

14:21

is a guy that takes the per most of

14:23

his snaps out of the slot About

14:25

half of his production comes from the slot You're looking for

14:28

a guy that wins over the middle of the field and

14:30

does so with yak Well that player

14:32

doesn't exist in free agency because he

14:34

because Rishi guys explosive playmakers get

14:36

side to football teams Hey Randall

14:39

Cobb ten years ago Exactly.

14:42

So now you can split it up though You

14:44

can look for a guy that maybe can win over the middle

14:46

of the field It doesn't give you the yak get a

14:48

guy that could get you the dirty yards over the middle

14:50

of the field a guy like Russell Gage Michael

14:52

Thomas is a June first cut and those are two

14:54

guys that make sense right away because they both have

14:56

produced from the Slot in the past and

14:59

when Rishi rice comes back, they're not

15:01

completely useless Those two guys can can

15:03

still play outside, which is why I think

15:05

that's kind of where my head immediately goes I

15:08

know Tyler Boyd hunter-rin for Oh get a

15:10

lot of run for the replacements Here's the

15:12

thing both aren't very good in

15:15

terms of their efficiency They're really bad actually

15:17

in yards for route rod and they don't

15:19

really produce that much yak and it's kind of been

15:21

stable the last Three years for them. So I don't know

15:23

I don't see a use for them after rice would come

15:25

back if you look for them as a replacement It's like

15:27

I would leave the Thomas the gauge route and

15:29

then I did have a couple guys that don't fill

15:32

the rice roll But I think

15:34

would have a role on the team Zay Jones

15:36

Corey Davis Odell Beckham jr None

15:38

of them play in the slot None of them

15:40

really win over the middle of the field at

15:42

the same rate as the of the Michael Thomas

15:45

is the Russell Gage Is the Rishi Rices, but

15:47

they would have a role on this team throughout

15:49

the entire season So do any of those names

15:51

tickle your fancy Craig? Mike

15:53

Thomas, I wrote about

15:55

the types of routes that

15:57

the KCX receivers have run

16:00

And what Andy Reid has preferred

16:02

their true acts or guys that

16:04

you know They lean on for

16:07

some volume targets to really you

16:09

know Run this part of the

16:11

route tree and Mike Thomas. It's not just Lance.

16:13

I know I know it's like it boy I

16:15

get a lot of it shut it's a lot

16:17

of slants. It's not just Lance he's

16:19

actually got a very ideal

16:22

skill set for what Andy has

16:24

put out there and leaned on

16:26

as a more traditional X-wide receiver

16:28

and with the Xavier worthy out

16:31

there and a Hollywood Brown out

16:33

there if you're putting Rishi rice

16:35

on the Field with them Rishi rice is gonna be

16:37

the guy aligning on the line of scrimmage nine times

16:39

out of ten That's that's what it's going to be.

16:42

So replacing some

16:44

of the alignment Specifically

16:46

the alignment and the ability to line

16:48

up can line up in the

16:50

slot Michael Thomas can can line up outside

16:52

definitely can on the line

16:54

of scrimmage Co-exists with those other two

16:56

guys. It just is an

16:58

ideal fit in my opinion If they

17:01

don't believe that they are going to

17:03

have Rashi rice for an extended period

17:05

of time I know how people are

17:07

gonna feel about Michael Thomas I feel

17:10

the same way about Michael Thomas But

17:12

the yards per route run the way the

17:14

distribution of his routes go the way that

17:16

the Chiefs use these guys It's

17:19

just kind of an ideal scheme fit to

17:21

drop that guy in and keep the guys

17:23

that are gonna be your big Playmakers and

17:25

Hollywood Brown and Xavier worthy on the field

17:28

in the positions that they need to stay

17:32

People Forget that Michael Thomas

17:34

was playing. All right at

17:36

the at the beginning of last year I just looked

17:38

at this real quick four and thirty nine yards in

17:40

his first eight games of the season Like

17:43

he was getting targets. He was getting opportunities and

17:45

Then the last two games of the season I think he

17:48

got hurt in the middle when he got hurt like two

17:50

plays into the game against the Vikings in

17:52

week ten Got shut out

17:54

in week nine, but he

17:56

was doing alright like he was doing some things. He

17:58

was doing some things like the It's all tasks to

18:00

check out, the contract has to fit out to

18:03

kind of make sense. But yeah, I

18:06

don't know if this team is like, I'm kind of a

18:08

little bit like we've been talking about this, like how

18:11

much does this team value a true old

18:13

school Andy Reid X or a traditional Andy

18:15

Reid X anymore? But

18:18

he fits that mold but also has shown an

18:20

ability to move around and be moved around a

18:22

little bit more. And that's

18:24

kind of one of the things that I

18:27

think is becoming a bigger value for

18:29

this team, I mean, especially coexisting with

18:31

Travis Kelsey too, right? So I

18:35

think getting him, you know, I think he

18:37

could be a decent value. Matt, I know

18:39

you had something else you want to jump

18:41

into real quick. Yeah, and maybe not quick.

18:45

I looked at it from a couple of ways. It

18:47

seems like we're all kind of in on the Mike Thomas

18:49

idea. I think that makes the most sense because it

18:51

fills the rice roll in the meantime. And like Craig

18:53

was saying, it kind of works really well as

18:55

the de facto X when he's healthy,

18:57

right? He's healthy with the rest of

19:00

the players. The other guys on there like Odell

19:02

Beckham Jr. has got a lot of run because he's

19:04

the Chiefs are always mildly interested that he gets more

19:06

than what they're going to pay for him. He

19:09

does still make sense to me, but it's more than outside

19:11

receiver. I don't see him and Rishi Rice's rules overlapping

19:13

at all. He's not like a guy that would fill

19:15

in for Rishi Rice. He's just a guy that would

19:18

work with the rest of the wide receiver. And I

19:20

think he fit very well, actually, he can take the

19:22

X role. He does win over the middle of the

19:24

field. It's a little bit more downfield over the middle

19:26

of the field than shallow, but he still does it.

19:29

Like he would say it's just you would still need

19:31

someone to kind of take over the Rishi Rice s

19:33

role of what we saw last year. So I didn't

19:35

want to look forward. What about if they didn't want

19:37

to add somebody? What if they just thought somebody on

19:40

the roster could take over that role? So I did.

19:43

I looked at these guys to. Canaries, Tony

19:45

Skymore. The numbers aren't there. You're

19:47

looking at such a small sample size. I don't think

19:49

either guy has really won over the middle of the

19:51

field at near the rate Rishi Rice did. They

19:54

think you see that in their play. They're not

19:56

overly physical. They don't particularly do well in traffic.

19:58

They don't do a great job identifying. Zones

20:00

and that's something she rice got really good at as

20:02

year went on but those guys are options They have

20:04

played out of the slot a ton a

20:07

sneaky weird one is Anthony Miller

20:09

who is production profile with Matt

20:11

Nagy Kind of aligns close

20:13

ish close ish to what we're she rice it

20:15

now He's a different body type We

20:18

don't even know if he's gonna make the team But he still

20:20

played 80% of his 80% of

20:22

his targets came out of the slot in 2019

20:24

when Matt Nagy was there Yards per route run

20:26

was kind of the highest if anybody on the

20:28

team actually higher than anybody else were zoned that

20:30

we kind of Mentioned so far during this segment.

20:32

The only issue is he didn't work entirely over

20:34

the middle of the field It was a lot

20:36

of out breaking stuff out of the slot But

20:38

he's a guy and then the last one Nico

20:40

Romeo his stats in college. That's

20:43

exactly where he won dark horse I get

20:45

it But that's exactly where he won the

20:47

over a 60% of his targets

20:49

in college came in between I mean their wider numbers

20:51

and what hashes and whatnot but came over the middle

20:54

of the field It was all yak. It was all

20:56

short catches from the slot. Those are just those are

20:58

guys on the roster They could attempt to put in

21:00

that role. I just don't know if we feel great

21:02

about if we feel great about any of those Yeah,

21:06

yeah, I don't feel super

21:08

great. I mean, hey, I hope Nico Romeo is

21:10

awesome for this team in 2024

21:13

like I I hope he he I

21:15

hope he's a lead receiver I hope Justin Ross is

21:17

the elite receiver, but again, they

21:19

banked on some of that last year And so

21:22

I don't think they're gonna keep it internal. I

21:24

don't think they're just gonna say, okay Well, we're

21:26

cool with the guys on our roster and tell

21:28

her she gets here if it

21:30

is a long Suspension again, that's

21:32

a big if there but if there

21:34

is a long suspension I think

21:36

that they'll make them I think that they'll add another

21:38

body to that because They

21:41

just don't want to be in the situation that

21:43

they were last year where they are so Reliant

21:46

on the production of one player, you

21:48

know again save your were these more

21:50

pro ready than Rishi rice was but

21:53

He's a different sort of beast in

21:55

a different sort of receiver and so

21:57

expecting. Oh, we're gonna funneled our entire

21:59

offense through that guy, I don't know. I

22:03

don't see that being the case. So

22:05

funneling it fully through Hollywood and Travis

22:07

Kelsey is kind of where they were at

22:09

the end of last year. And I

22:11

don't get the impression they like that offense at all.

22:13

But especially by the fact that all the moves that

22:15

they made this offseason, all the moves that they made

22:17

in the draft, they don't want

22:19

anything to do with the slow offense,

22:22

what they did last year. That's not

22:24

what they're interested in doing. So if

22:26

there's a longer suspension, I do think it will

22:28

be extra. One

22:31

thing I've just kind of been thinking about just

22:34

beyond just the wide receiver group and free

22:36

agency for

22:38

the wide receiver, but I think it

22:40

applies really well and very specifically

22:43

to the situation. The

22:45

Chiefs are very well positioned both

22:47

with cap space and draft capital

22:50

to be in the

22:52

market over the summer, better

22:55

than they ever have in the last few years.

22:57

Well positioned if there is a receiver

23:00

that becomes available via trade. If there is

23:02

a player that gets released because they like

23:04

some of the younger players sitting behind them,

23:07

the Chiefs are very well positioned to take

23:09

advantage of those opportunities with their cap space

23:12

and with their capital because they have a little bit extra capital

23:14

to play around with in 2025 as well. So

23:19

as long as this pocket of players that

23:21

we're talking about, this pool of receivers is

23:23

sitting around here, they

23:25

don't necessarily have to be aggressive to make a move

23:28

because there could be some that are falling, some

23:31

opportunities that could come into their laps here over the

23:33

next couple of months. I

23:36

am not saying this is the answer in any

23:38

way, shape or form. But

23:41

there were some comments about Tralon

23:44

Burks being released here over the summer. And

23:46

this is not me, or to a trade

23:48

it. This is not me saying that this

23:51

is the answer. But what I'm saying is

23:53

there are going to be some opportunities that

23:55

will show up here too over the course

23:57

of the summer. So as long as the

23:59

pool. of players doesn't get too diminished, then

24:03

the Chiefs might have more options than

24:05

we think. The agents are going to

24:07

have some context on some of these things too. The

24:09

agents are going to be talking. Some of the players

24:12

that could come available, we're going to know a

24:14

little bit about, the teams

24:16

are going to know a little bit more about potentially too.

24:19

So they're in good

24:21

shape to do something if they really want to and this is

24:23

the best position they've been

24:25

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move on to the NFL Draft a little bit. We

27:50

are a little bit less

27:52

than a week removed from

27:54

the Chiefs adding Xavier Worthy

27:58

onto their roster. We've

28:01

seen them make several other picks

28:03

since then. Matty, you've

28:05

had some time to process, you've had some time to

28:07

sleep, you've had some time

28:09

to shave that mustache. How

28:11

are we feeling? It's

28:13

still good. It's a good draft. I think they

28:15

found a lot of quality values.

28:18

They made small trade-ups when they wanted to

28:20

secure their players. Do I think they

28:22

were necessary given how things

28:24

played out? I don't know. That's those

28:26

things we will never know. But nothing

28:28

was given up that was too

28:31

much of a price to secure the players they

28:33

wanted to top the draft, that it mattered. I

28:35

thought it was interesting, and I still do,

28:37

in its line season. But also, it's

28:39

kind of a known fact. This draft wasn't deep.

28:41

This draft didn't have a lot of depth. There

28:43

were just, in fact, less players in this

28:46

draft. They're eligible for this draft than usual.

28:48

And the Chiefs were kind of okay with loading

28:50

up with later round picks. The

28:52

concept of that going in sounds

28:54

pretty... Not scary, but sounds a

28:56

little out of left field. But

28:59

the way the draft played out ended up

29:01

going pretty well, the positions they attacked. Given

29:04

our conversation to start this show, yeah,

29:06

I wish they would have probably added

29:08

another wide receiver. The problem is, they

29:10

wanted to, I think, add one of these athletic

29:12

titans in round four. So they got Jared Wiley,

29:14

great pick, not saying I wanted to change. The

29:16

next thing is, Jaden Hicks's value was just simply too

29:19

good. There was a lot of people out there that

29:21

had him as a near top 50 player in this

29:23

draft. How are you going to pass him at that

29:25

point? And by the time they came back up again

29:27

in the fifth round, any of the remaining

29:29

wide receivers that kind of would move the

29:31

needle at all were already gone. Didn't make

29:33

a lot of sense from there. So it's

29:35

a tiny quibble that I have with

29:38

the draft. But I do think, given what we started the

29:40

show with, it would have been nice to see another wide

29:42

receiver join this group. Yeah,

29:44

and it kind of sounded like... Yeah,

29:47

again, you read between the lines a

29:49

little bit. You hear, Oh, Jaden Hicks

29:51

there at pick 133, like

29:53

we Could not take him. Like

29:55

he was at the top of our board.

29:58

This was best player available for us. The

30:00

love, The fit. I do as well.

30:02

One of my favorite picks in this draft. But.

30:05

At the same time. Really? between light

30:07

of like. We. Would like to

30:09

take a wide receiver that we would like

30:11

to double down a little that we we

30:13

liked the guys that were available but they

30:15

words best player available for us so they

30:17

took this weighing on a guy that might

30:19

be able to contribute guy that they be

30:21

as we talked about on the on the

30:23

draft show. We. Saw marked as

30:26

early as ya when to in

30:28

some dressed ain't burglars. Safety one

30:30

in this draft the out so.

30:33

Getting in there is extreme sow

30:35

you add. I don't disagree with

30:37

the pick, but. Yes, There

30:39

it not coming out with to wide receivers

30:41

matters I loved come out with to interior

30:43

off into one I don't know. That.

30:46

You know, Hansen Indoors odd are ever going

30:48

to be high level starters in the Nfl

30:50

but that's how they they need that death

30:53

they had. They been lacking at that depth

30:55

for a little while now. Maybe.

30:57

A My Cali Indo steps into a starting

30:59

role in the future. It with a hundred

31:01

nor a sad. and now the said you've

31:03

got a nice. Group. Of interior

31:06

often of lime in there. I liked

31:08

those swings. They were clearly looking forward

31:10

at those couple of pics there. They

31:12

were looking forward it cheered wildly a

31:14

little bit. Not you only have and

31:16

one Titan on the roster beyond this

31:18

year. And hey, Congratulations Travis, Kelsey. Tetanus.

31:21

Two. Year deal. Rip it up the old

31:23

one and we're getting a little bit more

31:25

money they need. Another guy is to try

31:28

and. Com esse help out in that

31:30

tight and room. and twenty twenty five. So. I.

31:32

Liked all the pics he they vacuum. I

31:34

was very happy with the positions address that

31:36

picks that they use them on. I thought

31:39

that they found the sweet spots yen in

31:41

the draft. They really did a good job

31:43

with that. But. Really

31:45

would like to see another. Pass.

31:48

catcher yeah wide receiver specifically to

31:50

add to this room but that

31:52

may be more of how i

31:54

view the room bigger than how

31:57

brett beach and eighty repeat double-check

32:00

in the list here real quick. All right, so

32:03

Did you check it twice? I did I checked it twice.

32:05

Was it not your date? You don't

32:08

want to know I checked the

32:11

receiver list I think Maddie might have been the

32:13

first one to bring this up so credit if

32:15

it was you Matthew, but we were talking through

32:17

this and Here's

32:19

the list of receivers that

32:22

went between when the Chiefs

32:24

selected Jaden

32:26

Hicks and when they selected Anthony Norzad

32:30

Or hunter norzad. Sorry. I'm reading Anthony's name right now

32:34

Jacob Cowling Anthony

32:36

Gold Aeneas Smith Jamari

32:39

Thrash now those four

32:41

are players that have some there's a couple

32:43

of those that have some return abilities some

32:45

yak ability Like Aeneas Smith Anthony Gold could

32:47

be return players Jacob Cowling potentially could be

32:49

doing that in some role, too I don't

32:52

think Jamari Thrash is gonna be like that

32:54

at the next level You're

32:57

talking about those are the four receivers that went between

33:00

between Hicks and Norzad

33:03

So they had a chance to draft any other

33:05

receiver after that if they really wanted to so

33:07

we hear those comments made about You

33:10

know, you know, we would we

33:12

would like to you know, maybe would like to receive it

33:14

133, but the value is too good So

33:17

that's the pool of players. I

33:19

guess like yes that is fair.

33:21

That a relatively fair assessment That's

33:24

fair and I think Anthony Gould was a guy that

33:26

we saw connected to the Chiefs a lot Again might

33:28

have been a receiver just you know a vertical guy,

33:30

you know Maybe get the

33:32

ball in his hands and see what happens

33:34

sort of like I can see how he

33:36

fits I can see how that works. I

33:38

mean the one that really gets me wasn't

33:40

taken in that range It was Malik Washington

33:42

going to Brown sick. Yeah, still pains me

33:44

that he was on the board that many

33:46

times The Chiefs passed on him that you

33:49

know, whatever But

33:51

especially if they wanted a direct Rishi rice

33:53

replacement to wreck that right that's gonna

33:55

say yeah That lead me

33:57

to the point though as well. I don't think this is

33:59

where I don't know if they sign

34:01

a vet or if they don't I don't know if

34:03

they bring in somebody else I don't know if

34:06

the goal would be looking for a direct Rishi

34:08

rice replacement because there were some on the board

34:10

Those were the wide receivers that were still available as

34:12

the draft went on None more so

34:14

the name of Lake Washington So if you didn't

34:16

see a way for him to fit great

34:19

with Rishi rice and co-exist at the same

34:21

time I would understand not taking that draft

34:23

pick for the potential of a suspension this year

34:25

next year Whatever it may be but like still

34:27

just he is the one guy that I think

34:29

a lot of cheese fans and I'll throw a

34:31

Taj Washington in there, too I

34:33

think those are some names that some cheese fans might like

34:35

oh they still could have got these guys instead of some

34:37

other players Yeah,

34:40

but but that's kind of where it was they

34:42

had that opportunity to do that I do think it was

34:44

Anthony Cole if I had to guess that a guy I

34:46

think it was Anthony Cole They had him in up for

34:48

a top 30. He seemed to just kind of be a

34:50

big Dave

34:52

Tobes Dave So

34:56

I know says Anthony gold my brain

34:58

does but I'm also Xavier worthy as a

35:00

returner They have 800 returners maybe maybe they

35:02

don't want to know what is a returner though I

35:04

thought says Jamari flash because he was the last

35:06

wide receiver that I think was like a legit

35:08

wide receiver And you guys were a little bigger on Malik

35:11

Washington I am I think he was a great pick where

35:13

they got him But like if I were to

35:15

look at that including him if I'm looking

35:17

at guys that I think play wide receiver

35:19

like run routes Our technical Jamari thrash was

35:21

kind of like the final guy that I think

35:23

fit that that bill and whether he could play

35:25

in the slot Or outside. I don't know. That's

35:27

where my heart was looking looking at though. I

35:29

was hoping he fell to that pick That's where

35:31

I hope they would have gone. We have no

35:33

idea We have no idea if which of those

35:35

wide receivers would have even been in contention or

35:37

if any of them Maybe they were already picked

35:39

out before the Jane Hicks pick came and it

35:41

wasn't wide receiver that went off the board before

35:44

there Was that was the pick maybe their wide

35:46

receiver board was pretty tapped out as is and

35:48

it was just a potential for them Going into

35:50

that day. That's also a possibility Listen,

35:52

they kid they couldn't pass on Hunter North. I

35:55

mean just just to be clear they they

35:57

it was inevitable They had

35:59

to draft that guy. So I get

36:01

it. I get it. And I think,

36:03

you know, I think Hunter Norzad can

36:05

play in the slot a little bit

36:07

too. So you're smart, real

36:10

smart. And we've seen Penn State offensive

36:12

lineman catch passes in this offense as

36:15

recently as last year. So I,

36:18

you know, maybe, maybe we are overthinking this. Maybe

36:20

it is just Hunter Norzad to the slot. One

36:24

guy that actually will be catching passes from

36:26

Patrick Levon. My home this year is Xavier

36:28

Worthy, the first round pick

36:30

that she's traded up for slightly in the first round

36:32

of the draft. And I did

36:35

buy I did a breakdown on the KCS and

36:37

sub stack. You have access to that. If

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discord, you get all kinds of articles and great stuff

36:48

out there. But I wrote

36:50

about him. We've

36:52

all spent a lot of time watching I

36:54

think basically the entire draft class even more

36:57

after the draft, like this is just what I do.

36:59

This is what these guys do after the draft. As

37:04

you've consumed more, Maddie,

37:06

how do you feel about Xavier Worthy? I

37:09

mean, it just makes so much sense. And I

37:11

kind of said this leading up to it. I Jermaine

37:14

Burton, a wide receiver in Alabama, he went

37:17

he went to the froggals, unfortunately, was the guy

37:19

that screamed the most cheese like wide receiver. And

37:21

a lot of it was for what he would

37:23

do on broken plays because he's had a lot

37:25

of them in Alabama because their quarterback play. Now,

37:27

the next wide receiver that said, hey, that guy

37:29

looks like a cheese wide receiver is Xavier Worthy.

37:31

Like he was very clearly number two. And for

37:34

me in terms of who looks like a

37:36

cheese wide receiver, he fits the body type

37:38

that Andy Reid has routinely gravitated towards in

37:41

Philadelphia, in Kansas City. What

37:43

this offense has become with Patrick Mahomes at

37:45

the helm, he fits exactly what they do.

37:47

Think back to all the times we've been

37:49

just desperately begging a McCollhardman,

37:51

a Caderius, Tony, any of these guys working

37:53

vertical out of the slot or from the

37:56

Z and across the field to track a

37:58

football to maybe avoid some contact. to

38:00

do anything but run fast in a straight line. But

38:03

where he does those things and he's faster than

38:05

those guys when he's running in a straight line

38:07

as evidenced by him breaking the NFL Combine record

38:09

for the 40 times. So he just fits so

38:11

much of what they do. And I think it's

38:13

going to continuously boil down to he's really, really

38:16

fast. And that does matter. And that plays a

38:18

huge part of this, but he's also a real

38:20

wide receiver. I just challenge anybody that hasn't watched

38:22

like a game just to go back and watch.

38:24

Look at what he does. He runs

38:27

routes. He tempos everything. He reads coverages. He's

38:29

a very smart football player. And they are

38:31

very quick to tell you that every chance

38:33

they get because I do think people overlook

38:36

how technical he is and how smart he is as a

38:39

wide receiver because they see the four to one speed. And

38:41

they assume that's John Ross 2.0. And like,

38:43

that's just the immediate connection every time. Yeah,

38:46

it's the speed and the weight that

38:48

everybody bring up to me. It's all

38:50

well, at least he's fast, but yeah,

38:52

he's light. So he's going to get

38:54

crushed by a safety. He's been playing

38:56

high level collegiate football for three years. He

38:58

doesn't take a whole lot of hits. And

39:01

he reads offense is one where guys don't take

39:03

a whole lot of hits. McCollard men's played out

39:05

of 180 pounds multiple

39:08

years in Kansas city. And I've been

39:10

under 170 this year. Did you

39:12

look at him? Yeah, baggy sleeves.

39:14

So any everyone didn't know his

39:17

dirty secret that he did not

39:19

get annihilated by a safety at

39:21

any point. He made a difference

39:23

because of his vertical ability and

39:26

his ability to get down field

39:28

and keep safeties honest. So when

39:31

I watch Xavier worthy tape, the first

39:33

thing I see is how much when

39:35

you were sucks his quarterback. And the

39:37

second thing that I see is how

39:39

well he tracks the ball when he

39:41

is running down the field. We

39:43

haven't seen ball tracking like this since I rekill.

39:45

And I think we have kind of maybe

39:49

not, not grown accustomed to it. That's the wrong

39:51

word there, but maybe become a little bit, you

39:54

know, in disenchanted by

39:56

ball tracking because guys like MVS

39:58

and McCollard men. We're particularly

40:00

great at it weren't able to haul it

40:02

in down the field We're able to do

40:04

some of the things that a Tyree kill

40:06

was able to do and that a savior

40:08

worthy is able to do Down the field.

40:10

This isn't just you know, oh he's

40:13

fast. He's gonna keep the safeties deep and

40:15

that's it No, he goes and he gets

40:17

the ball He tracks it downfield if it's

40:20

a little bit inaccurate pass, which again his

40:22

quarterback sucks So he saw plenty of it

40:25

He was able to routinely make adjustments and come

40:27

down with the ball Downfield and so I think

40:29

that people just see that and go. Oh, he's

40:32

only a vertical guy Meanwhile, he is

40:34

breaking off his routes at the right

40:36

distance at the right time His deceleration

40:38

is elite guys will open their hips

40:40

to try and stay on top of

40:42

a route against him Despite giving space

40:45

and it doesn't matter he can stop

40:47

within a yard or two run

40:49

a curl He's wide open with plenty

40:51

of space in front of him. He

40:53

has that Additional route tempo

40:55

wing that additional nuance to what

40:58

he does here. It's not just

41:00

run fast straight line He does

41:02

all the wide receiver things on

41:04

time gain separation has nuance to

41:06

the routes This is a guy

41:08

that is a complete wide receiver

41:10

and has got walk into this

41:12

offense and be able to do

41:14

things at a very high level

41:17

Anyone that is worried about Xavier were these

41:19

route running at this point the easiest way

41:21

to get an idea Without

41:23

having to find all 22

41:26

somewhere and all that stuff. You can literally

41:28

watch highlights of

41:31

Xavier worthy Routing people up

41:33

on KCS and we we have a we have

41:35

a sizzle reel of all of this, you know

41:37

coverage from From college just

41:39

showing him in a very

41:41

highlighted area just running all kinds

41:44

of routes like all you

41:46

name it He's got triple moves. He's

41:48

got double moves. He's got

41:50

digs He's got comebacks.

41:52

He's got seven stop routes

41:54

that are terrifying TCU decent

41:57

He is doing he has like there's

41:59

no a ton of things as a route runner

42:02

from like the route running perspective he can't do.

42:05

It's that speed that he built off of.

42:07

He actually built off of it. Where

42:09

McColl Hardman has never built off

42:12

it. Sorry McColl, Super Bowl champion.

42:14

Congrats on your moment. I'm happy

42:16

for you. This guy Xavier

42:20

has done stuff that McColl has never been

42:22

able to do is actually build something off

42:24

that route tree. And I watched

42:26

TCU terrified playing

42:29

top down of his vertical ability and Xavier

42:31

worthy running a stop route and turning around

42:33

and catching the football an exceptional stop route.

42:36

A route we've seen this team throw a

42:38

lot of. And by the way the ball

42:40

sucked. The ball was a little bit late and

42:43

five defenders were closing and he still caught it.

42:45

Then after that happened they

42:48

still got blown by. They

42:50

still got blown by. He ran all

42:53

the way past the TCU corner. Queenie

42:57

was through a terrible pass. Ball is intercepted.

43:00

Xavier really gets up chases down the

43:02

play. The ball gets fumbled Xavier worthy

43:04

is the one that recovers it from running

43:06

50 yards down the field. They gave

43:09

him one play and two plays later they came

43:11

right back blew right past the guy again this

43:13

time for a big game of 50 yards. So

43:16

he's got like he's got the speed that everybody's

43:18

excited about but there is so much more to

43:20

him. And there's so much that he can

43:22

be asked to do. And when

43:24

you are playing in a structure that

43:27

against the or against the structure that's probably not

43:29

going to press you very much. You're going to

43:31

get free releases and if you're getting pressed. Adrian's

43:34

going to figure out how to give you free releases. They

43:37

are they have a plan

43:39

to kind of accentuate the

43:42

the strength of him and figure out how to you

43:44

know keep him from having to do things he's not

43:46

as good at doing. There's not like a ton of

43:49

things that he's not good at doing. He's just smaller

43:51

and that's really what it is. If

43:54

you heard the call from

43:57

Clark Hunt to Xavier worthy you

43:59

heard Clark Hunt

44:01

say you are going to fit

44:03

in this offense perfectly and

44:05

this is not a slight at this is

44:08

not a slight at Clark Hunt but I don't think

44:10

Clark Hunt's just pulling that out by himself. I

44:13

have a feeling that is probably something that has

44:15

been told to him by Brett Veach and Andy

44:17

Reid. Him saying you're gonna

44:19

fit into this offense perfectly probably

44:22

came from the leadership and I do I think

44:25

this is an incredible fit in

44:27

Kansas City. I do want to make sure

44:29

to quickly shout out Derek Hernandez for

44:32

$50 here. I really appreciate you my

44:34

man. Thumbs up

44:36

from the narc in the upper

44:38

right hand corner buddy. Yeah I

44:40

saw someone else asking

44:43

a question. Big Jack Casey 25 asking this being

44:45

the answer is real quick. Even

44:47

if Rice isn't suspending this year

44:50

couldn't they just toss him on

44:52

the commissioners exempt list until legally

44:54

resolved essentially still suspending it. So

44:56

I think they'd still have to you still have

44:58

to endure the suspension though is

45:00

the only thing I believe thank you for the donation

45:02

but I think he would still if they put him

45:04

on the commissioners exempt list for now and

45:07

then came back and he got removed from

45:09

that I think he'd still have to incur

45:11

the entirety of the suspension when it's eventually

45:13

levied if I'm correct right Craig. Craig

45:16

looks terrified. Yes

45:20

I think that's how it

45:22

would work. I'm

45:24

not entirely sure but I think that's how it

45:27

would work. I don't think the Chiefs would go

45:29

that route anyway because like that

45:31

they would feel like they're trying to circumvent

45:33

a bad situation and make it a

45:35

little bit worse. So yeah

45:37

I don't think they would go that route. I think that

45:39

they would just let the suspension take place they would do

45:41

whatever has to go that route and then see

45:44

what happens from there I guess. I think the Chiefs

45:47

will play Rishi Rice if he's not suspended I guess

45:49

is the moral of the story they didn't do that

45:51

with Justin Ross. They think everything was happening in the

45:53

moment there was no time to collect the evidence

45:56

the information whatever you want to call it. Where's

45:58

Rishi Rice we know everything that's happened. If

46:00

he's not suspended come week one, I imagine he's out

46:02

there. It's just the legal have to make some kind of

46:05

adjustment by then Alright,

46:07

let's move on to Kingsley

46:09

Suo Mata. Yeah, we

46:12

are getting better and better at his name here Matty

46:14

you're getting ready to write an article about

46:16

Kingsley for the Casey's and sub stack on

46:19

Friday crack So you've watched several games. I

46:21

know Craig watched several games. I've

46:23

watched several games Matty. How we feeling?

46:27

Okay, so let's start with let's start with what we

46:29

all liked what we all liked about him, right? I

46:31

think we all see different things in that we liked

46:33

I won't say just the first thing is things out

46:35

to me I actually think there's a little bit of

46:37

a difference between Maybe what you guys saw when you

46:39

guys are watching him at the Airbnb after the pic

46:41

and what I saw I actually love his hands These

46:43

hands are one of my favorite things about him because

46:45

he uses his hands the way that I like my

46:47

tackle to do it They're not overly aggressive. He

46:49

keeps them low He uses his inside

46:51

hand to control the rusher to steer the

46:53

rusher and he never overextends with the outside

46:55

hand That's the stuff I like is he

46:57

occasionally late with them because he carries them

46:59

low and wide instead of just low Absolutely.

47:02

There's also issues with his hand timing because of

47:04

his footwork, but his hands. I actually love he

47:06

loves the snatch technique I love how strong his

47:09

inside hand is like I like where

47:11

his hand base is. He's obviously athletic He's obviously

47:13

nimble-footed very strong very big I think it's kind

47:15

of surprising how big he is when you see

47:17

how well he moves Like there's clearly a lot

47:19

of stuff to like about him I'm gonna go

47:21

into detail of what a lot of that stuff

47:23

on Friday when I write an article What do

47:26

you guys like about Kingsley's game? It's

47:28

effortless how he moves It's

47:31

I know I keep saying that but

47:33

his feet glide over the grass like

47:35

it does He is so light

47:38

on his feet for a man his

47:40

size for anybody of any size out

47:42

there playing offensive tackle The movement skills

47:44

are undeniable and I'm certain that's why

47:47

Andy Handy Eck and Andy Reid have

47:49

fallen in love with him. Andy

47:51

Reid likes Offensive tackles

47:54

that are really light on their feet

47:56

can move really well now that doesn't

47:58

mean that he gives rush really

48:00

easily that he you know doesn't deal

48:02

with power very well there's still plenty

48:04

of ability to set against up. Matty

48:06

referenced the fact that you know he

48:08

snatches guys very very easily when he

48:10

sees a long arm when somebody's trying

48:12

to you know really get into his

48:14

chest and hit him with a long

48:16

arm he knows how to deal with

48:18

it like he grabs, traps, snafs you

48:20

know throws them onto their face routinely

48:22

there is power there he can hold

48:24

up to that sort of stuff it's

48:27

just the movement is so fun

48:30

to watch him get out on

48:32

screen is incredible like he beats

48:34

the running back to the spot

48:37

and not just that the

48:39

ability to kind of dodge a guy

48:41

knowing that he's got a blocker behind

48:43

him or knowing that he's got leverage

48:45

the running backs on the outside shoulder

48:47

the ability to kind of bend around

48:50

a defender to make sure that he

48:52

clears them and gets to the next

48:54

one is going to create so many

48:56

more yards in an Andy Reid offense

48:58

it's just I every time I watch

49:00

him I am just amazed by how

49:03

a man that big can move the

49:05

way that he does it is truly

49:08

rare how light he is on his feet.

49:12

Derek Henderson her name is did

49:14

you guys know he's related to Penaesul like okay

49:17

so I agree with Craig actually

49:19

grew up to a I

49:22

don't I think his hands are acceptable

49:24

I think it's feet tied to

49:26

hands and some of that a little bit

49:29

which I'm sure Mattie will get into in a second I'll

49:32

I'll say this on top of everything

49:34

I like the idea of him okay

49:36

and what that means is you've got

49:39

a kid that just turned 21

49:41

years old that is absolutely built

49:43

that went to the combine when

49:46

326 pounds and

49:48

looking incredible doing so nearly

49:51

11 inch hands played

49:53

both right tackle and left tackle

49:56

when I'm taught we're talking about this kid

49:58

and like the Greg

50:01

Castillo talked about how they liked that he played both

50:03

sides of the ball. They like how young he is

50:05

He's got the bloodline too. Like

50:08

the idea of Kingsley Suamata Ia

50:10

is Equally as interesting

50:12

to me because this is the

50:14

kind of profile outside of just the

50:16

tape. I appreciate the tape I think the tape was worth

50:19

63 They had taken him in

50:21

a small trade back at 40 like we did

50:23

with Patrick Paul Totally would have understood you're getting

50:25

one of the youngest offense to tackles or the

50:27

youngest players in this draft You're getting a rare

50:30

athlete. You're getting a massive human. It's probably not

50:32

done growing into his frame He

50:34

doesn't I don't I watch him and I think he's strong,

50:37

but I don't think it's grown man strength Yeah, like

50:39

there's still levels to his physical development

50:41

that I think will exist Beyond

50:44

just what we've seen to this point. So

50:47

I appreciate the movement skills.

50:49

There's definitely work to do but

50:52

this kind of profile on a kid is Something

50:55

that's worth getting excited about just as

50:57

much about what we've seen on tape

50:59

as well, too. So Maddie I know you have

51:01

some things you spent a lot of time digging deep What

51:03

are some of the things that you think Kingsley Suamata Ia

51:06

really needs to work on? Yeah,

51:08

this is so I'm not always to go through it All

51:10

I said there's an article coming out on the sub stack

51:12

on Friday where I'm gonna kind of get into more detailed

51:14

for some Of the stuff, but I think there's like there's

51:17

a fair amount of work I think for Kingsley to get

51:19

done before he's ready to start at the NFL level and

51:21

I know we're all really excited and Brev each is going

51:23

up there saying we're gonna let the young guys go into

51:26

OTAs and see what happens and It's a

51:28

fun story and I don't think that's necessarily even the bad

51:30

approach I think it's the timing works out

51:32

well with the veteran that might know the playbook

51:34

coming in for I don't know training camp versus

51:36

OTAs but watching him watching

51:38

Subhatia play It's it

51:41

looks like a long walk to see a

51:43

guy ready to start at the NFL level

51:45

just starting the basics BYU is like pure

51:47

RPOs. There's so few You

51:50

legitimate dropback pass sets and most

51:52

of them come in garbage time When

51:54

is there either way up or the

51:56

other teams way up and there's a lot of

51:58

backups on the field There's a lot of just like,

52:01

oh, let's see what happens. Go ahead. Just really to

52:03

jump in here because I know people are

52:05

going to listen to that and go, oh,

52:07

the Chiefs run lots of RPOs. Yes, they

52:10

do, but they run significantly more dropback pass.

52:12

So yeah, yeah. A

52:15

college offense that's mostly RPOs means like

52:17

85% of their snaps are RPOs. An

52:21

NFL offense that runs mostly RPOs is like 12%.

52:24

It seems to be happening here. Even

52:26

when you watch his pass set, they're almost

52:28

all quick sets or 45 degree to angle

52:31

sets. There are so few vertical

52:33

sets that you can go back and look at and

52:35

the Chiefs love the vertical set out of their

52:38

offensive tackles. So there's a general

52:40

things that he's not even had to do at

52:42

the college level that he's going to be asked to

52:44

do in the NFL. It's like, that's a first hurdle,

52:46

but the bigger one, then this is the one that

52:48

really slows me down is his

52:51

feet. His footwork reminds me of Garibos

52:53

early career Garibos and we're Chiefs fans.

52:55

We watched him twice a year, every

52:57

single year, and everybody remembers them two

52:59

steps into his pass set. His

53:02

ass was facing the sideline, not

53:04

the QB and Kingsley does the

53:06

same thing repeatedly. He steps his

53:08

post foot up to his slide foot

53:10

and turns his hips after two to

53:12

three steps routinely. And this, this leads to

53:15

him getting beat to the inside a lot

53:17

because now you can't slide back inside. If

53:19

your hands get cleared and this is where the problem comes

53:22

in. If your hands are late, if it

53:24

gets cleared because it's late, you have no way

53:26

to defend an inside move because your hips are going

53:28

the wrong way. I don't know

53:30

if this is because he's only playing left tackle

53:32

for this one year at BYU and

53:34

he's getting used to that side. I don't

53:37

know if he isn't trusting his flexibility to

53:39

just drop and get some depth or

53:41

if it's just a little bit of being uncomfortable space

53:43

because I think you see it when he climbs the

53:45

second level, he doesn't do a great job

53:48

of repositioning his body on the move at

53:50

the second level to connect his blocks on

53:52

the linebackers. I don't, not seeing it

53:54

stiffness, I just wonder if he's still trying to

53:56

figure out the kids point, grow into his body

53:58

and get comfortable in space and. Right now

54:00

he's just getting out there. His hip

54:02

angles are really bad, is the are

54:04

inconsistent in terms. Of whereas posts foot

54:06

lands after the slide before the

54:08

slide and. I think it just rolls into

54:10

kind of a a domino effect of issues the

54:13

as it now that he thinks yet be corrected

54:15

over time. I don't want to say this is

54:17

like a a death sentence. I like a lot

54:19

of what he does. I think his hands or

54:21

goods he could beat Impactful. Really?

54:23

All and eve without completely fixing the sub.

54:25

A good looking airballs. It's a before years

54:27

which is that like completely fix his footwork

54:29

if he's a fine sorting enough. the left

54:31

tackle. Brought. Early on,

54:33

you put that guy out there at left

54:35

tackle the Nfl and he's going to keep

54:38

doing that same help him tilt not being

54:40

completely use to vertical setting. I just think

54:42

you're asking for a lotta. A lotta

54:44

trouble learning on the go for him

54:46

in that position. Jr. And

54:48

is it one of the things when I was

54:50

doing be a D? Heck yeah. I would like.

54:53

That brings you down what a yak Ones from

54:55

is often sublime and last on your off season.

54:57

You want to read that. And you

54:59

have as appears to the cases and

55:01

said subsectors keep scrolling through. Scroll down

55:04

Throwback that that's all there from last

55:06

summer. You can read that entire series.

55:08

But the thing that he always starts

55:10

with. His. Building the pocket.

55:12

A Basically having your ass pointed at the

55:15

focal point of where the quarterback is going

55:17

to be in he has dropped. So if

55:19

it's a longer drop you want everybody kind

55:21

of intersecting in the same spot in the

55:23

backfield of it's a quick said you wanted

55:25

intersecting in the same spot as the backfield.

55:29

Singularly, Does that do that He says

55:31

he does not have that it is

55:33

ours north sea he is opened way

55:35

more he's gotta hit swung out his

55:37

ass as boarded more towards maybe them

55:40

a guard with each way had left

55:42

tackle and that's what matters referring to

55:44

their that is how a the heck

55:46

builds that that is one of the

55:48

work in it's of what he is

55:50

going to basically slam in degrees head

55:52

over the next several months here. so.

55:54

That. is one that really paying attention

55:56

to because it's a problem and day

55:58

off it's vital that beat on the

56:01

inside. This is a key way to try

56:03

and fix it. We see him in training

56:05

camp and that looks better already. I'm getting

56:07

excited because the learning curve is

56:09

pretty steep to

56:13

get into the NFL and it's especially steep when you

56:15

haven't taken a whole bunch of true pass sets. But

56:19

as we said on live stream, as we said in the

56:21

post draft show, offensive

56:23

tackle coaches will basically hammer this

56:25

home. You always have to teach

56:27

guys technique. You always have to teach them how

56:29

you want them to do things. It's about how

56:32

they learn. So Kingsley's already fixed that. By the

56:34

time you get to training camp, you can start

56:36

feeling like, oh, maybe, maybe this is the year

56:38

one thing. Maybe, maybe this is something that they

56:40

can work with a little bit more because he's

56:43

already kind of come up to speed on one

56:45

of the biggest things that would be an 80.

56:47

Heck no, no in this office. Yeah.

56:49

And I, you know, it was a little

56:51

bit hit or miss. I think he looked better from

56:54

the senior bowl. All of you guys have watched any senior

56:56

bowl tapes since, you know, since it, but he looked a

56:58

little bit better in the senior bowl. That's really the only

57:00

mile marker we really have outside of the season to even

57:02

get a look, but it was still very much hit or

57:04

miss and very much existed. So that's,

57:07

you know, you got, maybe he's, you're seeing

57:09

that maybe he's been working on some of

57:11

that stuff. Like I actually think some of

57:13

the one-on-ones, he actually did a better job,

57:15

you know, protecting his inside hand a little bit.

57:19

But you have to like, those

57:21

are like the mile markers you have in the

57:23

context clues. Yeah, maybe a little bit of

57:26

improvement, but it was still very much up

57:28

and down. And it's not that

57:30

he has to be a finished product to get

57:32

on the field, but he has to be enough

57:34

to be trusted. And that's a

57:36

big, that's a big, that's a big bar to clear

57:38

still for him. I think that's the, like,

57:40

that's the truth. It's like, it's not that he's got

57:42

to be, you know, a polished product ready

57:44

to jump on the field. He just has to be

57:47

better than one anymore. And I

57:49

think that's a good way to put it because

57:51

I made the comparison like, Hey,

57:53

Lucas, the Aang, Juan de Amor, these are other developmental

57:55

tackles. And that's why I didn't love the Kingsley and

57:57

round one going into the draft. That's why I did.

57:59

that loves some of these other guys, not

58:02

necessarily farther along, but what has

58:04

to be fixed here isn't as

58:06

much as I think with those guys because I

58:08

like the hands. I like the foot

58:10

quickness, the fluidity that is there and

58:12

that is available, the explosion of the

58:14

stance. You will get worse like watching

58:16

him get into a slide, it's choppy. And like, you're like,

58:19

okay, how do I, what do I need to teach him

58:21

to make up for a little bit of this

58:23

choppy footwork? You watch Lucas Niang and he has

58:25

to overextend to get depth and you're like, okay,

58:27

how do I have to coach him that to

58:30

not overextend, number one, but then number two, how

58:32

to still make up that depth. With Kingsley, it's not

58:34

so much that there's anything he can't do. It's

58:36

just right now, his

58:38

memory pattern, like his muscle memory is that

58:40

vertical set that doesn't get any depth. You

58:42

can vertical set a bunch, but still get

58:45

depth. He just doesn't get depth and then

58:47

he opens his hips and you got to fix

58:49

that from the get go. And I sometimes wonder

58:51

if he just doesn't have a great heel for

58:53

the spacing because he gets so far away from

58:55

his guard on these. And I've tried to watch

58:58

the right tackle a little bit of BYU just

59:00

to see if it's consistent and he doesn't

59:02

do it quite as bad. So it's just, I

59:04

wonder if there's some issues and it's especially when

59:06

he goes up against a wide aligned defender, he

59:08

gets real wide no matter what. And

59:10

he gives a massive gap between the

59:12

left tackle. Doutouni is great. He's

59:15

going to be able to help whoever plays next to him a lot.

59:17

Some of these gaps that are left in that big

59:19

gap though, right now are just so big that it's

59:22

very fixable stuff. I just don't know

59:24

how promising I think it is to fix it in

59:26

one year because some of it is technique and some of

59:28

it's mental and to have to fix both of those

59:30

in one off season, that's where I start

59:32

to be like, ah, maybe it would be better to let

59:34

him sit a year and learn. And

59:37

so that's like to kids point, if he's better than Juanita Morris,

59:39

you throw him out there or you get somebody else

59:41

to come in and set that new floor. It's

59:43

just a lot of good tools. I just think there's a

59:45

little bit of a building block. I've built a couple hurdles

59:48

to get over to get there to it. I

59:51

think that's like the appropriate way to frame it. I

59:53

like that. It's he's

59:56

got to accomplish some of these things before they're

59:58

going to feel comfortable throwing them out there. Yeah,

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and he's had six months. He's gonna have another three months

1:00:02

to try to get to those points But it is a

1:00:04

lot to do and he's you

1:00:06

know, it's a lot it is. It's a big

1:00:08

undertaking It does seem though that

1:00:10

the Chiefs feel pretty comfortable As

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it sits to let one Yemoris who we

1:00:15

saw play last year at left tackle And

1:00:18

Kingsley Sua Mataiya kind of battle out for

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this for this opportunity here. It does feel

1:00:23

like this is the plan It doesn't seem

1:00:25

like they're trying to bring Donovan Smith back

1:00:27

I think they're gonna really want to give

1:00:29

these two guys a look a hard look

1:00:31

and try to find one of these guys And put one of them

1:00:33

on the field. So Hopefully one

1:00:35

of them wins it out. I hope it's Kingsley

1:00:42

That's the perfect scenario is he comes out and he blows

1:00:44

it away and he's clearly the best guy Not

1:00:47

even a hesitation. I just wonder is

1:00:49

being better than Juan Yemoris during OTAs

1:00:51

and this is not a knock on Juan Yemoris

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But from what we saw of Juan Yemoris last

1:00:56

year, he was like starting caliber Tackle

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and if we're just talking about OTAs if

1:01:00

is being better than that gonna show you

1:01:02

enough that feels super comfortable I don't know

1:01:04

only they can answer that right only they'll

1:01:06

be able to answer that That's why I

1:01:08

like the concept of having a vet that

1:01:10

provides a known commodity as a floor to

1:01:12

try to beat out But obviously the best

1:01:14

is Kingsley comes in. Oh, hey, I it's

1:01:16

not that I can't vertical set. They just didn't

1:01:18

ask me I got this in the bag He

1:01:21

threw a couple out late in the Iowa State game

1:01:23

and Iowa State doesn't really challenge you with wide rushers

1:01:25

So it's hard to see was he doing it in

1:01:27

slow motion because there was no threat or was he

1:01:29

doing it in slow motion? Cuz he's not used to

1:01:31

it. Like I couldn't tell because of the defense. He

1:01:33

was going up again But he comes out

1:01:35

he can do that now all of a sudden

1:01:37

we fixed our hip issue because when you're doing a vertical set

1:01:39

your hips are gonna be set better as Is and

1:01:41

now oh now we're just worried about late hands I

1:01:44

have no doubts that Andy Het can fix that

1:01:46

in one off season and have them ready to

1:01:48

start I just we won't see that until they

1:01:51

get to OTAs. That's why I wonder if they're

1:01:53

like, yeah, we'll let Morris We'll let sumitia fight

1:01:55

this out in OTAs and then maybe once

1:01:58

training camp comes around if we still don't

1:02:00

know what we have, then we can bring back a

1:02:02

veteran. That would be my thought on what the plan

1:02:04

is. Yep. I do

1:02:06

want to tag up with this because some of

1:02:08

you is exactly correct here that she saw comfortable

1:02:11

with Tony's wide receiver one last year and you

1:02:13

know, sighs about that. Full agree. Um,

1:02:16

I'm looking at the position coach for

1:02:18

each one of those groups though, and

1:02:20

I have a lot more trust in

1:02:22

any hack evaluating the

1:02:24

offensive line room and saying, we need

1:02:26

another guy or this guy's better than

1:02:29

this guy because he's been right nine

1:02:31

times out of 10. Like it is very

1:02:33

rare that we see Andy X say, now

1:02:35

we're just going to go ahead and ride

1:02:37

with that guy. That's just not his

1:02:40

MO there. He is consistently trying to

1:02:42

get the best five on the field.

1:02:44

So yes, totally agree. Totally

1:02:46

agree with you there. But at the same

1:02:49

time, I think Andy Hacks raising his hand and

1:02:51

saying we need help in this room a

1:02:53

lot sooner than maybe a Connor Embry was ready

1:02:55

to do in year one as a wide receiver

1:02:57

coach last year. Did you see

1:03:00

the videos of you were the dappin of

1:03:02

Joe Blaymeyer with Connor Embry not to be

1:03:04

seen? I did. I,

1:03:06

yeah. One

1:03:09

thing that, and one of the thought, Greg Kesti

1:03:11

really talked about how much they liked

1:03:14

Kingsley on the board and retaining information. Like

1:03:16

that's another advantage that hopefully that will translate

1:03:18

to being able to pick some of the

1:03:20

things and taking the coaching well that they

1:03:23

want him to accomplish. That

1:03:25

would be quite fun. And

1:03:27

this last hour has been quite fun.

1:03:31

Thank you all so much for listening. We appreciate

1:03:33

you. We love you. We'll catch you

1:03:35

later.