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Ira Baddison III. I'm Lewis

0:47

Bertel, and how is everyone's radical optimism

0:50

today? Is it up? Is

0:52

the glass half full of, you know, ketamine? Because

0:54

that's what this music reminds me of yet again.

0:57

It's my only musical comparison anymore. I'm sorry. You

1:00

know what? It is a

1:02

very funny contrast to

1:04

having been at Dua Lipa's Met

1:07

Gala afterparty last night. Oh, pardon me. Should I

1:09

leave? You can just talk about this yourself. Which

1:13

was Play the Oonts.

1:15

Okay. Like, it was it was

1:18

actually not the kind of afterparty you'd

1:20

expect. It was kind of like giving

1:22

rave vibes. Oh, weird. And I was

1:24

like, well, girl, if

1:27

you like rave so much, he was

1:29

talking about basement on Las Culturistas.

1:32

Where is it on this album? It

1:34

is a very sun-kissed album and therefore

1:36

a little bit sleepy, which by the

1:38

way, is part of the Lengort we

1:41

associate with Dua Lipa. I'm somewhat happy

1:43

to get it. But otherwise, and we've

1:45

waited a long time for this album, the album

1:47

itself is just not calling to me to replay

1:49

it again and again. And I keep like prompting

1:51

myself to do that because I want this to

1:53

be as addictive an album as the last one.

1:55

There are a couple songs I love. These Walls

1:58

is probably my favorite one. That's a great album. Great song.

2:00

And End of an Era, which is the first

2:02

song on the album. But otherwise, it's okay. I

2:04

don't know. It's like a B-minus for

2:06

me, maybe a C+. She kicks

2:09

off the album with End of an Era

2:11

really good. The same way Future

2:13

Nostalgia was like a great start to

2:15

the album, the

2:17

title track. Which, by the way, is a radical

2:19

opinion on both of our behaves that we both

2:21

love that song. It seems like people hate the

2:23

song, Future Nostalgia, but I love that song. This

2:27

album feels very, I don't

2:30

know, I found it to be

2:33

a very safe album for her

2:35

in a way, because it's

2:37

Danny Harle producing, and he does

2:40

hyper-pop shit, you know, like he's worked with Charlie

2:42

XCX and all those people. And

2:45

then you also have Kevin Parker of

2:47

Tame Impala. And it's just, when I

2:49

think of those artists, I'm always thinking

2:51

of parties I've been to,

2:53

raves I've been to, music festivals

2:55

like Prima Vera Sound in Barcelona, where

2:57

it's just, you're having fun, and you're

2:59

just sort of going crazy on the

3:01

dance floor or in a crowd. And

3:05

I don't know, the extended versions of

3:07

like Houdini and Trading

3:09

Season, they feel fun, they

3:11

have a little funk to them, and extended

3:14

breaks like dance breaks or whatever, but the

3:17

album just doesn't feel like she was

3:19

letting loose enough, you know? It feels

3:21

like it was trimmed down. Yeah,

3:23

I like her vocal on the album,

3:25

like I think it suits the kind

3:27

of swimminess of the vibe.

3:29

That said, I would say this

3:31

album to me is like what Gwen

3:33

Stefani's The Sweet Escape is compared to

3:35

Love Angel Music Baby, which is there

3:37

are fewer hooks, it feels like it's

3:39

related to that album, but at the

3:41

same time it feels like the second

3:43

tier of ideas below what we got

3:45

previously. Like maybe this is just all

3:47

outtakes from her previous sessions, you know?

3:50

Yeah, it's sort of similar

3:52

in a way to tortured poets,

3:54

in that I Like

3:56

quite a bit of the songs on this now,

3:58

but it truly has happened by... It's

4:01

a vibe album. Obviously it's got. This is

4:03

going to be an album that I'm I'm

4:05

not setting it off right now. For example,

4:07

if I'm at the a some Palm Springs

4:09

near a pool and I'm like doing my

4:11

little mermaid choreography in the Her As Your

4:14

On Enough. ah it's definitely got to get

4:16

play in fire. I would read the play

4:18

anything. They're not much of a couple of

4:20

other. Than.

4:23

Up where everybody gets of, I

4:25

guess film remix anything into submission?

4:27

Who cares? Npr, but Arb and

4:29

I was. It's definitely I've gotten

4:31

into some of the songs like

4:34

Friends Exit and It's I'm At,

4:36

but I've gotten into it because

4:38

the album has been on repeat.

4:41

Ad. So while I'm doing chores

4:43

of Hobbes, it's definitely I'm. A

4:46

good writing album for me because I'm

4:48

the kind of person who. Cannot

4:50

really right in silence are and

4:52

sometimes out when I'll play is

4:54

an album or song like on

4:56

repeat and when I'm familiar with

4:58

so they to sort of blends

5:00

into the background. Gotta ads I've

5:02

heard friends exit enough for a

5:05

while. I like it. Lists.

5:07

That's where the compliments and like at

5:09

Austin said, I like it.it It's so

5:11

we're talking about this and they were

5:14

being hypocritical. But I don't know. I

5:16

liked her. Own I think

5:18

that that is. Going. A

5:21

long way toward. Me: Wanting

5:23

to like the album because I like

5:25

her and I guess in contrast to.

5:28

To. A Swiss album. See.

5:31

Was every where you know

5:33

and do are actually. Weaknesses.

5:36

Just about the bisping on vacation all

5:38

the time. Like this, C C was

5:40

absent postseason as thousand, you know, man.

5:43

Now. Sees Baskin, I.

5:45

Wonder she's just really gonna shift

5:47

into once. We've always forget about

5:49

her is that she's British, right? And

5:52

I think we try to always

5:54

expect. Discuss. he had

5:56

this be sort of arms new

5:58

rules moment and then see nostalgia

6:00

was huge that she's

6:02

one of our artists. But

6:05

she could just very well be big

6:07

in the UK and not really give

6:09

a fuck about the US anymore in the future. Interesting.

6:12

I will say, my final

6:14

note on this album is it's the kind of thing

6:16

where I'm listening to it waiting to get a sort of adrenaline

6:18

rush and it pushes me back towards

6:20

the music that did give me that. Like

6:23

I'm really obsessed with that kind of woman

6:25

off the Moonlight Future nostalgia, that album. She

6:28

released 90 versions of that album. Yes. And

6:30

then there was Club Future Nostalgia, the head version of that

6:32

song. It's got me listening to Love Again. It's got me

6:34

listening to half the songs off Future

6:36

Nostalgia. My favorite song of hers. Love is

6:38

religion I really love. So

6:40

I'm a big fan of the catalog altogether. But I don't

6:42

think any of these songs cracked my personal top 10 of

6:45

Dua Lipa. And by the way, do you know what one

6:47

of the best things she ever did was? That Elton John

6:49

song you couldn't escape for a long time. I still think

6:51

that's one of the best things she ever did. I

6:54

think maybe she'll do like

6:56

a mini tour here or something. I think maybe

6:58

some of these songs will sound better mixed in

7:00

with the catalog. And

7:02

obviously she's about to become a sketch comedian based on what I

7:04

saw her do on SNL. She

7:07

was really good. I don't know about that. I just

7:09

love this woman. Okay. Gorgeous, talented

7:11

girl. Love the Barbie song. Yes. I

7:14

give her so many points. We're going to talk about how just

7:17

the sight of someone who's hot and gorgeous

7:19

and famous can make you sort of change

7:21

her opinions about them. Because we're going to

7:23

talk about the Met Gala. That's right. I'm

7:25

a fan of the episode and I

7:28

definitely deleted a tweet where I made fun

7:30

of someone's outfit because I saw that person

7:32

in person at an after party last night

7:34

and they were so hot. Oh, it

7:37

is interesting to think about how these things

7:39

translate in person as opposed to in the

7:41

Getty image. Just like Kylie Minogue came wearing

7:44

something that was beaded with like millions

7:46

of Swarovski crystals or something. Whereas on camera to

7:48

me, it looked basic. Like it didn't look like

7:50

that handiwork was in it. But in person, I'm

7:53

sure it was like straight up chandelier shit. Yeah.

7:56

Oras, her beads that she was wearing,

7:58

you know., The dividers

8:01

in your grandmother's home with a

8:03

guy from her liver. Conservatives: it's

8:05

ah, they looked good And percent.

8:08

And we bleed. she's the one who was

8:10

it. Gave the comments about the beach was

8:12

wearing, said they were from like the first

8:14

or second century. He said that makes them

8:16

older than anybody living today. Move mass and

8:18

celebrities. Open the schools

8:20

or A or home school her tiger. I don't know

8:22

what's going on there. Also. See paid

8:25

me does for really. Mustn't.

8:27

It's it is. Fear her as

8:29

I had suicide. Oh. And

8:31

I'll bite at the drop. see remember Streets of

8:33

Mine? Yeah, she's like I'm into a back handspring

8:35

out of my son. Worth

8:38

a gun miss. Got.

8:42

Ah, speaking of god, I'm wrong.

8:44

We're gonna talk about. Drake

8:47

versus Khadr it I'm going explain some

8:49

rap be to you always gotta episodes

8:51

just like the Miracle Worker like he

8:53

guide and towards the faucet as you

8:56

explain The is my favorite. Sick of

8:58

the com It's over the weekend were

9:00

people constantly sites. I wonder how Lewis's

9:02

can relate. This. Rap beats to

9:04

us. Is there some old Hollywood

9:06

few that feels reminiscent of this?

9:08

Out get into the Fontaine De

9:10

Havilland of at all observers? Yeah,

9:13

yeah. Where's where's our own Hollywood

9:15

feud involving a i'm Bi racial?

9:17

I'm Canadian? Any black is realize

9:19

that you know what. There are

9:21

only a few of them by,

9:23

I'm sure it was Backstage on

9:25

you know, some sort movie. As

9:29

they will also be joined by the actress

9:31

sorry you Blue who was an ex Pats

9:33

opposite. Nicole Kidman says fucking Fantastic! Also,

9:35

I have not seen the coldest perturbed

9:37

and a long time. This is a

9:39

goes in the great Nicole Perturbed performances.

9:42

Tan and. Hugh

9:44

Grant didn't perturb her. I'm

9:47

the ups. He's one of the grape or terms of our time at

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9:51

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already. God damn it. I.

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B C is I was fighting. right?

11:35

One time I did a stand up night and

11:38

she was supposed to show up and perform and

11:40

then we're all waiting. Best agency showed up and

11:42

then she said I can perform and walked out.

11:44

I'd never seen anything like that before. Any by

11:46

seems like a nice girl specific. Elysee

11:50

Soda. I know that was what was baffling.

11:52

It was so strange. This was like seven

11:54

years ago or so. This involves Drakes. And

11:57

Kendrick Lamar know what is that? I'm getting

11:59

ahead. Ah,

12:01

obviously over the weekend Drake

12:04

and Centric Lamar have on

12:06

been trading. Straightened. beasts.

12:09

Trading. Distracts

12:12

and. The. Small

12:14

lot going on and I'm.

12:16

I'm gonna try an attempt to

12:19

explain. Why they hate each

12:21

other so much so can and you

12:23

believe you understand why? I do understand

12:25

why Because used to sing. A.

12:27

Lot of people do not like, right?

12:30

right? Yes. And I feel like that's

12:32

been a growing unrest over the years

12:34

to yeah, it's it's it's A because

12:37

as we called him the The Mail

12:39

Taylor Swift's before on this podcast, you

12:41

know he's very. He is the

12:44

music industry and away when you think of like

12:46

a male who's dominating it, it is truly. Him.

12:49

Aside from like a Harry Styles

12:51

you know it's arm, they're also

12:53

very prone to. Like.

12:56

She has with the Source of Poets Department

12:58

recently. Like with these two Am drops these

13:00

bonus track albums you know they are both

13:02

very much. We're dropping thirty songs at once

13:04

and we're going to dominate stream A we're

13:06

going to dominate the charts. you know? He's

13:09

always sort of at the top of his

13:11

games and I feel like a part of

13:13

this is also that I think there's a

13:15

sense that Drake pete a while ago like

13:17

I feel everything Mensa sort of like mid

13:19

tier compared to like his Imperial era. Yeah,

13:21

I see like the tipping point for a

13:23

lot of this was the fact that when

13:25

the music. Was good. On.

13:28

Top of his game. He. Was like

13:30

sort of whatever. like what do you do to

13:32

like the number one person the game? Yeah when

13:35

people started. Feeling. Like the

13:37

albums were not a bad. At It

13:39

for All the Dogs. His recent album. Has.

13:41

What one good song on it metics

13:43

the song with scissors and sexy read

13:46

ah I'm. People. sort of

13:48

like okay now we can take shots at him

13:50

as he's fallen off yeah i feel that were

13:52

longing for the days where he was at the

13:55

club and also sad which is you know of

13:57

a related combination yeah so basically drake and tentacle

13:59

more have worked together before, obviously.

14:01

They've done tracks together. And

14:05

then there was a Kendrick

14:07

Lamar song called Control

14:09

that he was on,

14:11

where basically he raps

14:14

about wanting to be

14:16

the top of the game. He names a

14:18

bunch of rappers and the

14:20

vibe is, these are all the people who are

14:22

hot and I wanna be better than them. Got

14:25

it. It's like me going

14:27

like Jon Favreau, Jon Lovett. They're all going down.

14:30

That's the top of the game, Lewis. Aaron

14:32

Gloria Ryan, yes, oh okay, sorry. Aaron, Aaron,

14:34

there we go. Yes. But

14:36

Drake, once again, comparison to Taylor

14:39

Swift, cannot

14:46

take a joke and takes himself far

14:48

too seriously. And I feel like most

14:51

people, you think if another rapper

14:53

is name checking all these people that they wanna

14:55

be better than, would it

14:57

just sort of be happy that,

14:59

oh, I'm included in this. He thinks that I'm one

15:01

of the people who's at the top of the game.

15:04

He wants to beat me. Like it's friendly competition.

15:06

Well, I will say, if you get a compliment

15:08

and there's even a hint of something backhanded about

15:10

it, like, oh, you're really talented but I could

15:13

be better than you. I feel like

15:15

that is the kind of comment that barbs somebody the

15:17

most. You know what I mean? Like,

15:19

it was almost flattering to

15:22

me, but instead I feel lightly, there's

15:24

a light deprecation about it. So I'm

15:26

kind of relating to him for now.

15:28

Yeah, Drake, of course,

15:31

responds to this. There's

15:34

an interview where he says, listen,

15:37

I'm at the top. Anybody

15:39

wants to come for me. They can. I

15:42

don't see it happening. I've

15:44

done the forecast. Yeah, and so

15:46

it was friendly competition before, but then when

15:49

Drake decides to actually take this personally, then

15:51

it sort of Kendrick is like, okay, well, maybe I

15:53

didn't like you in the first place, bitch. And

15:57

so this is why

15:59

we now have a back. and forth

16:01

between them. And it's happened

16:03

like on a bunch of tracks, but

16:05

most recently on his awful album for

16:07

All the Doves, there's a song,

16:10

First Person Shooter, with him and Jay Cole on it.

16:13

And Jay Cole talks about,

16:15

you know, the big three in the

16:17

game, and he mentions Kendrick, and Kendrick

16:19

does not like this, and he responds

16:21

to it. And basically,

16:25

at some point, Jay Cole decided

16:27

he did not want to be a part of

16:29

this entire beef, and he just sort of, he

16:31

apologized. I think you might remember when he did

16:34

a public apology and said, I don't want to

16:36

do all this fighting. He

16:38

was basically, I don't

16:40

want to stay around this. I'm

16:43

just getting into this business. Right. Okay,

16:45

it was Effie and Dina

16:47

were going back and forth. Brother, brother,

16:49

what's going on by Marvin Gaye? Yes.

16:52

And so he did not

16:55

want to be a part of that. And

16:59

then we got basically

17:02

a weekend where it

17:04

was, I have never seen

17:07

just like tracks drop like this in a

17:09

weekend where it's, you're minding your own business,

17:11

you're at the grocery store, you're picking up

17:13

some Kraft macaroni and cheese, whatever, hamburger helper,

17:16

I don't know, whatever, whatever you do. You

17:18

live in 1988, correct?

17:20

Okay, go ahead.

17:23

Picking up some Lorna Dune. And these tracks

17:25

just, they kept dropping them.

17:32

No, it was never the end. It

17:34

was an avalanche. Basically, it started with

17:37

Kendrick Lamar jumping on feature and Metro

17:39

Boomin song like that, where

17:41

he said it's time for him to prove

17:43

that he's a problem about Drake.

17:46

Because basically, most people's problem

17:48

with Drake is obviously

17:52

he's biracial and we hate mixed people, you

17:54

know, mulattos are evil. Okay, I'm kidding. But

17:57

it is the problem that he grew up in

17:59

Canada. And he's a former child actor, you

18:01

know, he's Degrassi, he's the kid from that

18:04

wheelchair. Right. You know? And

18:06

when he raps, he really

18:08

sort of gives this vibe of I'm a

18:10

gangster. And

18:12

it's not true. Right. You're

18:15

from Toronto, where they sell Reese's Peanut Butter Cups

18:17

and packs of three. It's a safe upbringing. Yeah.

18:19

And so a lot of people have a problem

18:21

with him in that respect. They also have a

18:23

problem when you think about the fact that he

18:25

wanted the weekend to sign his label at one

18:28

point and the weekend didn't sign to his label.

18:30

So basically he did a

18:32

bunch of songs with the weekend and

18:34

then sort of really just made him his. He

18:36

has this thing of any sort

18:38

of competition he sees in the industry, he like sort

18:41

of like will collab with that person or snatch up

18:43

a song of theirs and sort of like make it

18:45

his own. Hmm. Feels very Regina

18:47

George keeping your enemies closer. I am so sorry to

18:49

make a Mean Girls reference. I swear I am above

18:51

that. So he's

18:54

a snakey ho in the way that

18:56

art is in challengers because

18:58

after that he went after the

19:00

weekend's girlfriend when he was dating

19:02

Miss Hadid, if you recall. You

19:06

remember A$AP Rocky, A$AP Rocky

19:08

was first involved with Rihanna.

19:12

Drake was going after Rihanna as well. He

19:15

sort of has this thing where he is also always

19:17

going after his friends or people in the games, significant

19:20

others. I don't feel like

19:22

that's a winning business strategy, ultimately. And

19:26

so the tracks that happened were

19:29

Drake finally responded to the Metro Boomin

19:31

track like that, which by the way,

19:33

is has

19:35

stayed on the Hot 100. Yeah, right.

19:37

Okay. Kendrick is doing very

19:39

well in the Hot 100 right now. Yeah.

19:42

The other thing about the Kendrick tracks is

19:44

when he's dropping them, they are charting. And

19:46

that is also, I feel like

19:48

the biggest blow to Drake in

19:51

this moment because when Drake was

19:53

releasing his best music, he was always on

19:55

the Hot 100. He was always in the

19:57

top 10 and now this tracks about him.

20:00

are charting in the top ten and

20:02

it's sort of giving the idea that

20:04

it's not just people in the industry

20:06

who hate him it is people at

20:08

home. Right, yes. The podcast listening population,

20:10

yes. So

20:13

he entered the fighting ring with his song

20:15

called Push Ups on

20:17

April 19th and you know he rapped

20:19

about Kendrick saying pip squeak pipe down

20:21

you ain't in no big three. The

20:24

thing about rap is that people

20:26

are constantly ranking rappers online like

20:28

for decades you know there's always been

20:31

who's the big three you know. Even going

20:33

back to like grade school I remember people

20:35

would always be like well who's your big

20:37

three rappers you know that is just sort

20:39

of this thing you know who you consider

20:41

to be the big three at any given

20:43

point in time and that

20:45

is why people are just always sort of going back and

20:47

forth to each other they're like who is the big three

20:50

you know. Which I love I mean that's very

20:52

film bros to me you know what I'm saying

20:54

you know like name your top three of all

20:56

time letterbox they do this what's your top four

20:58

all the time. Yeah personally none of these people

21:00

with Jay-Z who was in my big three Kanye

21:03

before he died had that brain transplant.

21:05

Right, which is crazy to get the

21:07

transplant after you've passed away. Yeah

21:10

you know some days of our lives passing

21:12

through. So Push

21:14

Ups is where Drake referenced the fact

21:16

that Kendrick Lamar has songs

21:18

with Maroon 5 and Taylor Swift. Alright.

21:22

If you recall Bad Blood the video I

21:24

know it's a it's a hard

21:27

memory to relit. And I believe a video of

21:29

the year winner. Have you

21:31

rewatched that video recently? It looks like AI

21:33

created it. I mean it's like the vision

21:35

of it is so ridiculous and like Mariska

21:37

Hargitay is in it everybody's in it of

21:39

course. If you rewatch

21:42

that video it is shocking

21:44

to step back into that time of Taylor

21:46

Swift's squad as it were as

21:48

she constantly called it the people who were

21:50

in that that she was collecting like Pokemon.

21:53

Yeah no there was there was no rhyme

21:55

or reason it was just everybody she had

21:57

heard of basically. Lena Dunham

22:00

Zendaya in it before Zendaya blew

22:03

up and became Zendaya. Oh

22:05

my gosh. Truly a moment in time

22:07

because it's over. Yeah. He

22:09

references that. By

22:12

the way, the funny part about

22:14

all of this is that Drake has

22:16

a song with Camila Cabello on Camila

22:18

Cabello's upcoming album. He's

22:21

been allegedly keeping her from releasing

22:23

it amidst the whole Kindred beef.

22:25

Interesting. Because it would be embarrassing.

22:29

But when we get to the other Kendrick songs, we'll find

22:31

out it's maybe the

22:33

least embarrassing thing about Drake

22:36

this week. I was going to say, more to

22:38

come. Release the Camila song. Okay. It

22:41

might help. So

22:43

then he released the star TaylorMadeFreestyle,

22:45

which was one

22:48

of the wildest things I've ever heard

22:50

because it has AI vocals from Tupac,

22:55

which Tupac's family was not happy about. You

22:57

don't say. And also Snoop Dogg, who is

22:59

a lie. Yeah. He's around. Also, by the

23:02

way, call him up. He's like, yeah, I've

23:04

got an extra 10 minutes. I'll come in.

23:07

But also Snoop is an LA based

23:09

rapper just like Kendrick Lamar. So he's

23:11

obviously not going to be on Drake's

23:13

side. Right. So he

23:15

uses AI and it

23:18

gets pulled from streaming services because Tupac's

23:20

estate was like, fish, what are you

23:22

doing? That's

23:25

what estates sound like, by the way. Yeah. Then

23:28

Kendrick dropped this track just like

23:30

a week later on April 30th.

23:33

And this was this past weekend where the

23:35

shit just started coming. This one

23:37

was called Euphoria. And

23:40

this one, by the way, is

23:44

either this one or 616 in LA. I

23:47

believe he drops just like another track right after

23:49

that. One of them was produced

23:51

by Jack Antonoff. Strange. So

23:55

that is a direct reference, obviously, to Drake

23:57

bringing up Taylor. And we know that Drake.

24:00

and Taylor have a friendship with each other

24:02

like they were posting photos together all the

24:04

time and everything but it seems just so

24:06

funny to get Jack Anson off involved in

24:08

this rap beef right between the

24:10

two of them I love

24:12

that Jack Anson just wants to be involved in everything

24:14

and he fucking is Jesus

24:16

we're going on like year 40 of him just

24:18

producing every single thing he's like our Quincy Jones

24:21

I still haven't put it together yet but

24:23

and also what do you try to

24:25

figure out the madam web of all

24:27

this it's just like Drake and Taylor

24:29

being friends and it's like well maybe

24:32

Taylor's upset with him now or maybe

24:34

Jack just did it and doesn't really

24:36

care about Taylor's relationship with Drake but

24:38

Taylor obviously has a relationship with both Drake

24:40

and Kendrick Lamar so there's just

24:43

a humor to me in Jack Anson

24:45

off hopping into the studio it's a

24:47

huge question mark it's really strange yeah

24:50

on 616 in LA he

24:52

goes after the OVO record label he

24:55

says have you ever thought OVO was working for

24:57

me he caused a fake bully says I hate

24:59

bullies you must be a terrible person everyone

25:01

inside your team whispering that you deserve it

25:04

interesting so it's like everybody's laughing at you and

25:07

you don't even know there's a mole mmm

25:10

season 2 coming to Netflix soon by the way I'm

25:12

really excited about that and so

25:14

Drake then makes a song called family matters

25:17

great show oh please Kelly

25:19

Shanine Williams as Laura underrated comedy

25:21

performance I rewatch family

25:23

matters recently and let me tell you if

25:26

you showed someone the pilot of family

25:28

matters and then showed them the serious

25:30

finale of family matters they

25:33

would wonder if you were showing them a different

25:35

show no it's like it turned sci-fi it turned

25:38

every other genre it was Urkel's not even in

25:40

the pilot by the way no they made a

25:42

complete 180 once Urkel appeared as a guest player

25:44

they're like what if the whole show is about

25:46

this sorry Judy Winslow so

25:50

Drake song family matters makes

25:54

allegations that Kendrick Lamar has

25:57

beaten up his wife right this is what this

25:59

whole thing is serious scandalous about like

26:01

both these people making abuse allegations at each other.

26:03

And so right after Family Matters, he

26:06

released Meet the Grams, which

26:09

is sort of a over

26:11

six-minute response where

26:14

Kendrick Lamar talks to Drake about

26:16

his family, including

26:18

his son Adonis and

26:20

his parents and an alleged 11-year-old

26:23

daughter who Drake has not

26:25

claimed publicly. Truly, you should

26:27

be following up Family Matters with step-by-step and

26:29

then hanging with Mr. Cooper. If

26:32

you want me to listen. Yeah.

26:35

And then he lays out rumors

26:37

that Drake takes Ozempic. The pettiness.

26:42

I mean, 90% of Hollywood is on Ozempic at

26:44

this point. Which, by the way, when you bring

26:46

up the fact that everyone sort

26:48

of hates Drake, this takes

26:50

you back to Megan

26:53

Thee Stallion's song, Hiss, where

26:55

she had the line about

26:57

people hating on BBLs,

27:00

but they're walking around with the same scars.

27:03

She talks about someone pretending to be

27:05

bad when they're not really fake accent,

27:07

you know, like posting up in other

27:09

people's hoods. And this started

27:11

making everybody online sort of realize

27:14

that Hiss was probably

27:16

a Drake diss track and

27:18

had nothing to do with Nicki Minaj.

27:21

And you need to be really clear

27:24

about that because Nicki shall we say

27:26

easily activated. What we call a landmine.

27:28

She's listening. She's Frasier. Queen

27:32

radio is firing us right now. They use a

27:35

crank to start up. So the reason that Nicki

27:37

Minaj probably thought that Hiss was about her, because

27:39

you know she has the line,

27:41

these hoes don't be mad at Megan,

27:43

these hoes mad at Megan's law. Ooh,

27:46

yes. Which is the reference to, you

27:48

know, you happen to sort of alert

27:50

people where you are when you're a sex

27:52

offender. Yes. Regarding

27:55

children and Kendrick Lamar Alleges

27:58

that Drake is... Is basically

28:00

a pedophile. He says the word pedophile

28:02

several types. Yeah, first it was that

28:04

Drake likes going after young women are.

28:07

But then really, he's right. Him and

28:09

Hobby was a Serbian to sell for

28:11

the rest of their lives. He's.

28:13

Got sex offenders on his record label

28:15

over ya that he keeps on a

28:17

monthly allowance as other the following evening.

28:20

Kendrick Lamar releases Not Like Us

28:22

when you think all this it

28:25

is over I was truly at

28:27

a dinner ah with someone enjoying

28:29

like some Mexican food cinco de

28:31

Maya we can ah add or

28:33

and I'm walking home from the

28:35

East village taking my time and

28:37

the track is and like I

28:39

see that sweets where the track

28:41

is dropped as an I get

28:43

home. And I play it on you

28:45

to select. The way the city kept dropping

28:48

is truly on. heard the sky is falling,

28:50

second little has been summoned. Ah, he had

28:52

alluded to grooming allegations before, but now he's

28:54

like Drake, I hear you like of your

28:56

you better not ever going to sell Block

28:59

One basically to sort of like there's been

29:01

things online before by the way about straight.

29:04

Prefer. A women who were younger of

29:06

the Millie Bobby brown said yeah, the Millie

29:08

Bobby rubbing was. I was weird that that's

29:10

what's interesting to me about this is like

29:12

it seems to be playing on the public

29:14

knowledge about that will also implying there's something

29:16

else going on that we don't know about,

29:18

but in there I mean it could just

29:20

be all about that. There's also been like

29:22

a video circulated of him and Old Todd's

29:24

or when a city was like twenty something

29:26

and a kissing her girl on stage is

29:29

seventeen and you know Saudi think dancing queen

29:31

as about. I'm yes, I don't. I don't

29:33

mean to tolerate. Mustn't

29:35

allow it's it's right in. The Corps has. I

29:38

love Rock and Roll. Zones that. Said.

29:41

He must have at about seventy. Oh going

29:43

on here? Oh, that's interesting and she's also

29:45

applying the two packs with dime. so was

29:47

actually the nice he intends. to

29:50

sponsor ssssss his father's mother to

29:52

the origin story that's the spin

29:55

off series then i don't really

29:57

know how to explain this track,

30:00

The Heart Six, that Drake dropped

30:02

in response. But

30:04

when someone alleges that you are maybe

30:06

a pedophile, maybe you should

30:09

not release a diss track response that's sort

30:11

of like, you think I'm a

30:14

pedophile because you were molested as a child.

30:17

And that's why you're focused on it.

30:19

That truly feels like something said in

30:21

the first episode of Pen 15, where

30:23

the girls absolutely blow up their social

30:25

gi- like, didn't that happen? They're like,

30:27

your dad's dad or whatever. They screamed

30:29

at them. Oh, that's so bad. This

30:31

is like, it's always sunny in

30:33

Philadelphia, sort of insult. This is,

30:36

it's like, and then he alleges that I'm

30:39

too famous to be

30:41

a pedophile, I'd be in jail. There's a

30:43

few of them. You

30:45

sound like you're on Law and Order SVU. Speaking of

30:48

Mariska. Yeah. This is the

30:50

final act. You are yelling in an interrogation

30:52

room. I'm too famous for that. So

30:55

I mean, like how deep can they make these

30:57

allegations at each other? It seems like they've already

30:59

gone to the end. Like how much further can

31:01

you possibly go? Yeah, I feel like you've already

31:04

said enough about each other. And it's all this

31:06

stuff that I mean, we're at this point now

31:08

where obviously people have been enjoying the rap beef,

31:10

but the shit got

31:12

dark very quickly. And

31:14

now there was a drive-by shooting outside

31:16

of Drake's place and a security guard

31:19

was shot. Oh, yes. This

31:21

is a literal shooting. Yeah, literal shooting. So this

31:24

is giving like real Tupac

31:26

piggy rap beef vibes and it's,

31:29

I don't know, also just

31:32

going back and forth about people being molested,

31:34

which by the way, the whole

31:37

thing about Drake's response is it seems

31:40

to be cold from tweets and

31:42

threads online. He's a very online

31:45

person because the whole molestation thing,

31:47

if you even listen to the

31:49

song, Mother, I Sober off of

31:51

Kendrick Lamar's most recent album, Mr.

31:54

Morrell and the Big Steppers, he

31:56

wasn't molested himself. His mother was

31:58

and that's why she was sort of. are careful

32:00

around him and other

32:02

relatives so that it wouldn't happen to

32:05

him. So it's going off information like

32:07

from completely reading a song wrong. Confusing

32:09

and dark still. And so much

32:11

of the other stuff, you know, there's a whole thing

32:13

about like he maybe has another secret child out there,

32:15

like an 11 year old daughter and Drake alleges that

32:18

he leaked this information to

32:21

Kendrick's crew so that he would release a

32:23

fake diss track. Girl,

32:27

like truly what are we doing here?

32:29

And also what would be the good of that? Okay,

32:31

now he's about to make a joke about you having

32:33

an extra kid and now a lot of people believe

32:35

it. Like you didn't win. Yeah.

32:39

So basically the back and forth is

32:41

that his song

32:43

not like us, granted he does keep calling

32:46

Drake a pedophile. It is

32:48

a little dark in lyrical content, but man,

32:51

that is a club track. I was going to say, listenable

32:53

music. I mean, there's a reason it's charting. And also I'm

32:57

sorry to br- like I truly don't

32:59

think awards are what's most important, but you can

33:01

hear the Pulitzer in some of these lyrics, you

33:04

know? Yeah. Why would you fight with a Pulitzer

33:06

Prize winner? Right. I'm not up there being like

33:08

Doris Lessing, come on down and get what's yours,

33:10

asshole. And

33:15

I think the bigger just sort of takeaway

33:17

in this is a lot

33:19

of people know a lot of shit about

33:21

people within the industry, I guess. And it

33:25

just, I guess, is serving to be an asshole

33:27

to everybody because

33:29

once Drake was an asshole to

33:32

everybody and then his music fell off, then

33:34

people were like, okay, well, you know what?

33:36

Now we can come after you. Right. Right.

33:38

Though again, it is my dream for Taylor

33:40

Swift to give up on the fandom and

33:42

relatability she has and just be a fucking

33:44

dick and like maybe ruin her entire empire,

33:46

but man, what a way to go. Are

33:49

we also headed towards Drake's reputation era?

33:52

His whole fucking career has been the reputation era. I

33:54

feel like, you know, can we get out

33:56

of it for once? Yeah. It's always, I don't

33:59

know what I want. from both of them, I

34:01

will say I have enjoyed this sort of

34:04

energy from Kendrick Lamar. It

34:06

would be nice to have him

34:08

making music again that I feel

34:11

bad about this. It's just like I've always been

34:13

a Drake fan. Well, you've said before that Kendrick

34:15

is just not your style. He's not really my

34:17

style. You know, I'm not, I'm

34:19

barely conscious most of the day. I can't listen

34:21

to conscious rappers. Right.

34:24

It's overcompensating. Yeah. Yeah. Let me

34:26

lay in my casket and listen to

34:28

Hotline Bling. Turn

34:31

my brain off. It is just nice to

34:33

see somebody be like pugnacious in terms of

34:35

releasing music. You know, like we're so used

34:37

to like slow rollout of

34:39

music. So for somebody to just take a weekend

34:41

and be like, actually, I'm going to keep hitting

34:43

this button and keep releasing is like, I don't

34:46

want to say life affirming based on how grim

34:48

this feud is. But it's just nice to

34:50

see someone work and work hard and be, you know,

34:52

the best. Yeah. Get your fucking ass up

34:54

and work. Yeah.

34:57

I mean, he was releasing tracks quicker than it takes us

34:59

to record this fucking podcast. No, look how slow we're going.

35:01

Shit. We're not going to get anything back. Anyway,

35:03

it's all been fun, but then there's also,

35:05

you know, the darkness of trading pedophilia

35:08

allegations and abuse allegations, which I

35:10

don't think any serious reporter has

35:13

sort of really dug into yet.

35:15

So this is all just sort of like

35:17

conjecture on both sides, but I'm

35:20

waiting for someone to so we can have

35:23

real facts about them. Because you know, who's

35:25

going to weigh in soon is lawyers. I

35:27

mean, these allegations are very crazy. So and

35:30

also I'm not to semantic it, but, you

35:32

know, like there's a difference between Drake

35:34

liking younger girls, which is creepy in

35:36

and of itself. And then when you

35:39

throw out the word pedophile, particularly in

35:41

this world that we live in now

35:43

of, you know, like piece

35:45

of gate and shit like that, that

35:48

turns into, OK, Drake and OVO and

35:50

everyone related to him is running a

35:52

secret pedophile ring. Right. Right. Right. And

35:54

then that turns crazy people online into

35:57

crazy people. IRL who start killing people.

35:59

Right. a disquiet about the whole thing. I don't like

36:01

where it's going to end up, yes. Yeah.

36:04

Um, he should call up Chrissy

36:06

Teigen. Remember when they were piece of gate in

36:08

her? Oh my gosh. She seems fine now. Right.

36:11

She seems okay now, to be honest. Every

36:13

celebrity attached with that, like, it was horrendous

36:15

seeing that cause it. Like, I couldn't respond

36:17

to a tweet of hers without someone being

36:19

like, what are you doing

36:22

talking to this, I'm like, girl, calm

36:24

down Martha in Idaho. Okay? I mean, think of

36:26

like the things that have been said about Hillary

36:28

Clinton, when what people should really be talking about

36:30

is if she wins a Tony for this soft

36:32

musical, which she's a producer of, she will be

36:34

three quarters of the way to EGOT. Let

36:37

me tell you something, Lewis. Soft

36:39

saying, win no Tony. Don't

36:41

you see that? You know

36:43

what's tough? The word soft.

36:46

I do not like to hear it. Shout out to Travis

36:48

Helwig, who's a producer on it, though. We

36:50

love him. Yeah, him and Jen Staski.

36:52

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36:54

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36:57

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40:25

her latest role opposite Nicole Kidman in

40:28

the miniseries Ex-Pats. Please

40:30

welcome to Keep It, Saru Blue. I

40:32

mean, that is incredibly generous and kind, and

40:35

I'm truly your biggest fan. That's not true.

40:37

I can't say that because you have so

40:39

many big fans. Just

40:41

very excited to be here. Was thrilled to have

40:43

you here. And also, I loved watching Ex-Pats, which

40:46

when this show starts out, these are some of

40:48

the most perturbed characters I've seen in a limited

40:50

series. And sometimes I was like, oh, God, will

40:52

I be able to get through this? But the

40:54

drama of it is fabulous. What did you think

40:56

when you first read Ex-Pats? Did

40:58

you know Nicole was going to be involved? What was your

41:00

whole history with the project? Yes, I

41:03

definitely knew both Nicole and Lulu

41:05

were involved and part of the

41:07

project. And when I auditioned,

41:10

I hadn't seen the scripts yet,

41:12

which is pretty common with something

41:14

of this caliber and

41:16

at my level. And I was reading the script

41:18

and I remember just over and over again going,

41:20

oh, my God, oh,

41:23

my God. Like, it's such rich material.

41:26

I don't just mean rich because the

41:28

people are rich. I mean, it's so

41:30

nuanced and layered and really just such

41:34

a wildly, wildly deep

41:36

world. And then I

41:39

guess for me to be a part of it felt really

41:41

surreal too, because as you know from

41:44

some of the projects you've listed, I sort of got

41:46

known for doing comedy. And so

41:48

often once they decide you can do one thing,

41:50

there aren't a lot of opportunities to veer into

41:52

a different direction. So

41:55

the whole thing felt really surreal. I

41:59

love how much people have really

42:01

just sort of enjoyed this series and sort of

42:03

like really just taken it on given

42:06

it its own life and you for your whole

42:08

career after this too. I just sort of feel

42:10

like there was a moment where all of a sudden

42:12

everybody was talking about this show and you. So how

42:15

did that feel to just like

42:17

sort of go from, I mean we'll get to

42:19

it obviously, you know how we do on this

42:21

show talking about your previous credits and things that

42:23

we love but you have been

42:25

in so many things and it feel like

42:27

was this show, did it feel like a

42:30

tipping point for you for your career

42:32

in Hollywood? You know it

42:34

feels kind of like one of these things where

42:36

you stop believing in the tipping point, right? Like

42:38

you sort of are like there's no big break,

42:41

there is no thing, you just kind of

42:43

keep showing up and keep going, which is

42:45

if you're lucky, if you're lucky you get

42:47

to keep showing up and keep going but I feel

42:49

like with this it felt

42:52

so monumental, I mean

42:54

the scope of it just

42:56

felt so big and so it was kind of

42:58

like how could it

43:00

not feel as big? I

43:02

mean to finally feel an ounce of, it's

43:06

emotional. To feel like people get

43:08

to see what you can do, so

43:10

few of us get that shot, you know? This

43:12

moment that you get to go, yeah, I

43:15

have these other muscles that

43:18

haven't just gotten to be worked in a while

43:20

and they exist and to have people sort of

43:22

acknowledge that was really moving and

43:24

I felt really thankful to be honest. I

43:27

am sorry for us that we've not had Lulu Wang

43:29

on this show and I'm always curious about her as

43:32

a creator, what was it like working with her on

43:34

X-Pats? Lulu was amazing,

43:36

she was really, you know, she was first

43:38

of all one of the main reasons I

43:40

had this shot, she really believed

43:42

in me, she wanted me for the role,

43:44

she championed me, so did Nicole, which is

43:47

what it takes, you know? It takes people

43:49

really fighting for you and particularly

43:51

when you're not a name for them to go, well why

43:53

would we want to give that person this enormous lead role,

43:56

you know? And so that was

43:59

really incredible. incredible. And then to work

44:01

with her is really fun because I would

44:04

say she has these instincts that are just

44:06

so sharp. And so you'd have these moments

44:08

with her on set where both of

44:11

us were kind of like, why is this

44:13

not working? Let's find it. And she just

44:15

kind of go, you know what? You

44:18

don't need that line. I don't like that

44:20

word. Like, it's all just this intuition. And

44:23

suddenly, you know, sometimes I'd even resist it. We all have

44:25

moments where like, I don't know, is that what it is?

44:28

And then I would just start to go, you know what? Just

44:31

trust her because she knows this. She

44:33

knows it down, you know, on a cellular

44:35

level. And every time

44:37

I would, it was just, there

44:39

was the tape. There was the entire scene

44:41

right there. It's just, she's

44:44

really, really, and she's

44:46

very generous too, in the sense of like,

44:48

if I had those really raw moments, like

44:50

in the hospital scene with my dad or

44:53

in the elevator episodes, the sets really quiet.

44:55

And she's like, okay, and then she'll kind of let

44:57

you do a few takes. And then she'd kind of

44:59

come over and she'd tiptoe and be really gentle

45:02

with it. And then she'd go, how about this?

45:04

And we'd go again. And there's

45:06

an incredible sensitivity there, which I really

45:08

appreciated. If I'm thinking about, you know,

45:11

just your, your muscles as an actress, you're

45:13

doing this series, obviously, but you know, you've

45:15

been on bones, you

45:17

know, you've done big bang theory, you know,

45:19

you've been in so

45:21

many forms of just

45:24

television, you know, different genres

45:26

from multicam to regular

45:28

comedy to drama, sort of, how

45:30

do you keep yourself, I guess,

45:33

able to do all of these things? Is there one that

45:35

you prefer? I think

45:38

I'm able to keep myself in the game because

45:40

I love it too much. And,

45:43

and it's a problem. And I wish I

45:45

could break up with it all the time.

45:48

Like I always say that the acting industry

45:50

is like that really shitty boyfriend who just

45:52

keeps giving you the bare minimum. And

45:54

you know, every time you're like that, that I am done,

45:57

we're not doing this shit anymore.

46:00

He comes back and he's like, baby, baby,

46:02

please. And you're like, you know what? He

46:06

looks so cute when he says those words. And

46:08

you just keep, you know, and it's

46:10

that for me. And so I stay

46:12

in the game because there's, there's

46:15

also this element of like, I painted myself into a corner.

46:17

What am I going to do now? I can't pivot now.

46:20

You know, like I stayed

46:22

with him so long. And

46:27

then, you know, as far as like what I love the most, I

46:31

will always love comedy. I love it. I

46:34

love it. I think there is such

46:36

a dance to it. There's such a

46:38

rhythm to it. There's such a making

46:40

people laugh is what

46:43

keeps me moving. You know, it keeps me

46:45

waking up in the morning. However, what I

46:48

loved about expats was getting to play a

46:50

role that I could dig in and have

46:52

so many layers and give you this really

46:55

dimensional, complicated, flawed woman. And that's exactly what

46:57

I loved about I Feel Bad. She

47:00

was petty and flawed and a mess.

47:02

And so was Hillary. So there's this

47:05

just deep connection even between the

47:08

two. I must

47:10

ask about Nicole Kibben for a second because I'm always,

47:12

when I think about how people have

47:14

received her, Once Upon a Time Joan Rivers

47:17

described her as one of the silliest people

47:19

she had ever met. And to me, that

47:21

doesn't read almost ever. We

47:23

were talking about her career last week actually because of

47:25

her AFI award. She has this

47:27

like Lee of Almond quality where it's just like a

47:30

porcelain vulnerability. It's like, how can that person also be

47:32

silly? What was your experience working with her?

47:35

And I assume there must

47:37

have been some museum exhibit quality to

47:39

watching this person work and wondering how

47:42

her process is, et cetera. Yeah,

47:44

I mean, it's funny you say that because silly is

47:46

literally a word I described her as in one of

47:48

my interviews like a few months ago. Oh, okay. And

47:51

I remember my friends being like, silly?

47:53

And I was like, no, I know. It's the

47:56

words, it trusts me. It makes sense. I don't

47:58

know how to explain it. It's

48:00

because she has this disarming ability the minute

48:02

you meet her to just

48:04

being like, hi. And

48:07

you're like, oh, okay, so we're gonna

48:09

do it this way. Where it's just like, we're

48:11

just two people just like pretending

48:13

that we're the same doing our jobs.

48:16

And it's great because you kind

48:18

of have to be able to have that quality. I

48:20

mean, I do in order to be able to do

48:22

my job with her. I cannot play

48:25

her best friend in a series and

48:27

also be mooning over her in the scene.

48:29

Right? That's just not actual. That's

48:31

how I would go. Yeah. Well,

48:34

it's just not quality storytelling. That

48:37

being said, in the noodle shop feed, I

48:39

will never forget, she's doing

48:41

this really riveting monologue and, you

48:43

know, in her just like, just

48:46

uber intense, but so

48:50

compelling and like, human

48:52

way. And as she's delivering this monologue,

48:55

there's just a moment where I was

48:57

like, oh, fuck, I got to

48:59

be in the scene. I can't be sorry. I

49:01

have to be like, and I, you know, I

49:03

have confidence that that coverage they

49:05

couldn't use exist somewhere because it

49:07

is really that magnificent to watch

49:09

her. I mean, she's on another,

49:12

she's not even human. It's above

49:14

humanity. It's like ethereal, you know? It

49:17

does feel like we watched Nicole came in to sort

49:19

of aspire to the kind of humanity she brings. Like

49:22

it's just not, it's very uncommon. It's so,

49:24

um, I don't even know how

49:26

to play. It's so magnetic. Even

49:28

at the AFI thing, watching the

49:30

breadth and the history of her

49:32

trajectory and range, and you just

49:34

see it from when they played

49:36

that lip of her at, what

49:39

was it, 14, 15? She

49:41

was like, it was her first movie

49:43

ever, ever. And she's

49:46

equally brilliant. Like

49:48

somehow she didn't need to go to grad

49:50

school like the rest of us. Yeah.

49:55

I mean, it was pretty incredible, I have to

49:57

say. Which reminds me, you and I are both

49:59

universe. of Iowa alums, which is mind boggling

50:01

to me. I know! And

50:04

also, we're all Midwesterners, because Ira

50:06

Wisconsin, right now. I'm from Wisconsin, yeah, Madison,

50:09

right? I'm from Madison. And I'm from Milwaukee.

50:11

Chicago, yes. Yeah. Well, it's

50:13

a big 10 circuit up in here. Listen, we're just

50:15

a few Midwesterners really living the dream.

50:18

A few big football fans doing our best

50:20

out here. But

50:22

I'm always curious how acting education continues

50:24

to influence somebody who is now just

50:26

working nonstop. Do you find yourself going

50:29

back to what you've learned fundamentally in

50:31

school ever? Or is it just embedded

50:33

in who you are, and you have

50:35

those tools at your disposal now? I

50:37

think it's I'm constantly going back

50:39

to it. I remember coming out of grad school,

50:42

and one of the people who had graduated a few years

50:44

ahead of me was like, ugh, you're not

50:46

going to get it for another seven years. And

50:49

I was like, you know what? Fuck you. I

50:52

just did four years of grad school,

50:54

and I'm good now. I got it.

50:58

I didn't actually think I was good yet. But

51:00

there was this element of like, I

51:02

don't need your condescension. And

51:04

then now being out for as long

51:06

as I have been, which is longer than three

51:08

or four years. And there

51:11

are so many times that I remember something

51:13

an acting teacher said, or I have a

51:15

moment of, god, I

51:17

can't figure out this scene. How do I

51:19

connect with it? And

51:22

again, I'm using some old tool that I

51:24

had packed away in a file box

51:26

in the garage for a while. So

51:30

it has proven really valuable. However,

51:32

there's also a part of me that's like, I

51:36

personally have found there are times where there's a

51:38

little too much training for

51:40

me. I'm not going to speak to anyone

51:42

else's process. But we're like, I don't

51:46

want to get so formed and obsessed

51:50

with somebody else's system. I always want

51:52

to be able to be free to play

51:55

and trust my own instincts. Because for

51:57

me, if I'm constantly trying

51:59

to learn, you're just doing it,

52:01

get down to Vratosky, or

52:04

get down to Stanislavski, or just

52:06

really nail one of these methods.

52:08

Sometimes I leave myself out of the

52:10

process. So I kind of have

52:12

to be like, sorry, what do you think? What feels

52:15

right in this moment? Do that. I don't care

52:17

if anyone else thinks it's right. Just do that. I'm always

52:19

curious about that because it feels like acting is so

52:21

intensely personal. And when people can take on a process

52:23

that's so outside what they are, and so just

52:26

words on a page that

52:29

somebody else has written sometimes over 100 years ago, I'm

52:31

really awed by that. And you know, it's just like to

52:33

internalize it. I think there's

52:36

something about it I love. I mean, I can

52:38

nerd out about theater way too much, and it's not

52:41

extremely sexy, but I can do it. But

52:43

it's one of those things that it's like, I

52:46

love it, I will talk about acting, I will

52:48

talk about theater all day, every day. And

52:51

I really had to release it in order to get good at

52:53

it. I just had to be able to let

52:55

it go. Yeah, I mean,

52:57

grad school, it'll do a number on you too.

53:00

You know, and it's, I truly

53:02

remember, there's just something about being in

53:04

this space where you're being creative with

53:06

everybody, and you were feeling like, whether

53:08

you're good or not, or whether you're feeling great,

53:10

it's just sort of, you're in this microcosm. Then

53:13

is it the industry? And it's like, I

53:15

remember people being like, oh yeah, you're good,

53:17

you know, thinking like, this person's gonna get

53:19

a job, like immediately. I'm like, I moved

53:21

to LA, and then it took seven years,

53:24

and people who were worried about me getting

53:26

a job before them were like, getting

53:29

staff in a year. And

53:31

that stuff has it. Right, it's so random,

53:34

and the problem is, you're in the

53:36

microcosm, but you think it's real. You're

53:40

like, nobody told you you're

53:42

living on Big Brother. Exactly.

53:45

Everyone is operating life,

53:47

if you're doing it here, that's how it's

53:49

gonna be out there. And then

53:51

you get out there, and all your

53:53

friends who were so insanely talented, for

53:55

whatever reason, didn't land an agent right

53:57

away, and some. Moron

54:00

did, you know, or somebody

54:02

who you never expected got the like

54:05

lucky ticket. And so you're like, Oh, wait

54:07

a minute. It was all bullshit. And people

54:10

can tell you that while you're in the,

54:12

in the microcosm, but you don't believe it

54:14

until you live it. And I

54:16

mean, I went to school, I mean, drinking

54:18

game for keep it in NYU in New

54:21

York, but it's like, it's also different to

54:23

be in that microcosm in New York. Where

54:26

you're in the city, being creative. And then

54:28

you get to LA anytime you go to

54:30

acting or whatever school, I think you moved

54:32

to LA, it's a whole different ball game. And

54:35

I went to ACT in their Cisco. And

54:38

what I did love about ACT was they

54:40

weren't, they taught a bunch of methods. So

54:43

everyone would could kind of find what

54:45

felt more right for them. And I

54:47

did appreciate that. I will say, yeah.

54:49

Like we only do Stanislavski. I

54:52

want to ask now you've

54:54

been in so many TV

54:56

shows and so many of them that I have, I

54:58

mean, I've watched so many of them. Um,

55:00

I just want to know, is

55:02

there a particular like guest spot

55:04

or sub show that you were on where

55:07

you're just like, you do think back on

55:09

that really fondly, maybe you learned something from,

55:11

I don't know, the set of Franklin and

55:13

Bash or something, you know, like

55:15

what's something where you like, you could maybe

55:18

look back at and you're like, you know

55:20

what, that was a great experience. That is

55:22

kind of informed things that I continue to

55:24

do as an actor. Yes. And

55:26

it would be. I mean, I want to say

55:28

I loved doing Franklin

55:30

and Bash. That's true. They were

55:32

all so kind. I mean,

55:34

it was so fun. And

55:37

Mark and Brooke and had the great

55:40

chemistry. They were insane together. Um,

55:42

I loved doing it. I loved working with Kumail and

55:45

like, but V was one of those

55:47

experiences where. You know,

55:49

it's unreal to do this role opposite

55:52

Julia Louis Dreyfus. And I

55:54

mean, I say opposite. I was like a

55:56

small little doctor role. It was not like a

55:58

major, but there were. so many

56:00

heavy hitters on that show between, you know,

56:02

like, I'm now I'm Gary Cole. And like,

56:05

you know, I mean, you just it was

56:07

like, it's Sam Richardson and and, and, um,

56:09

oh, my god, I'm forgetting Timothy Simon's, you

56:11

know what I mean? Like, it was just

56:15

heavy, just geniuses upon

56:17

geniuses. And I remember

56:19

doing this scene with Julia Louis

56:21

Dreyfus, and all of them in

56:23

the hospital, and I pitched a

56:25

joke. And I

56:27

remember doing the rehearsal and you know, because

56:30

it's all like, so many one errors and

56:32

like single cam or whatever. So they're really

56:34

just doing everything continuously. So you cannot miss

56:36

a beat like this is like, one

56:39

day guests are I had I better not miss

56:41

a fucking moment. And I remember

56:44

like doing the rehearsal. And

56:46

she goes, I can't remember who had

56:48

a line somebody was starting to say a line is you

56:50

guys wait, you're gonna you're gonna

56:53

make that joke, right? You're gonna say that one

56:55

line about the burgers. And I was like, yeah.

56:58

And she goes, okay, I say it. And

57:01

I and I did and she

57:03

goes, okay, and then she goes, that's funny, by the

57:05

way. And the

57:11

way that I hold that to

57:13

my heart. And

57:16

it left me just feel like, okay, maybe I

57:18

can stay after I

57:21

love how that is both a compliment and terrifying. Yeah,

57:23

like in that moment. Yes, you did nail it right

57:25

now. Yeah, moving on. By the way. Yeah. It was

57:30

her instincts again, like she knows what works.

57:32

She knows what she hasn't done to a science. So

57:36

like, it's like, just so you know, you did get

57:38

that right. Let's keep it moving. We don't have a lot

57:40

of time. You don't like it. So it

57:42

was an amazing moment. Truly. No,

57:45

I mean, I work for Jimmy Kimmel and like you'll

57:47

put a script in front of him and he will

57:49

sometimes it seems like he's only doing a passing glance

57:51

at it. But he's already made like six decisions. Like

57:53

some people at the top of their game are operating

57:55

at a level that is just extremely fast. Yeah,

57:58

it is one of those moments where you're just

58:00

like, oh, you really know what

58:02

they call a pro. I

58:05

understand now. Yes. So Julia Louis-Dreyfus

58:07

comes up. Are there any other actors

58:09

you've had comedy scenes with that you

58:11

remember particularly enjoying? I mean,

58:13

there's so many. I loved working

58:15

with Paul Edelstein on I Feel

58:17

Bad and Mother Joffrey, who played

58:19

my mom, who played this, like,

58:22

thanks to Amy Poehler and Aseem Batra,

58:25

who created the show. They, like, Aseem

58:28

really wrote this character of this Indian mom

58:30

who was so gangster.

58:33

I mean, she was so funny and

58:36

just ridiculous and edgy.

58:39

And just all the things I think of

58:41

for a South Asian mom that is rarely

58:43

embodied. That's rarely what we see, you know?

58:45

Like, I feel like that was one of

58:47

my favorites. And also not

58:50

comedy, I remember working with Alfred

58:52

Molina on Monday morning. He

58:54

was somebody who really showed

58:57

me what it looks like to be the leader of a

58:59

set. I mean, he knew

59:01

everybody's names. He never was late. He

59:03

knew every line. And I

59:06

remember he had this huge monologue one

59:08

time and afterwards, you

59:10

know, we had finished his coverage and we were

59:13

breaking for lunch or whatever, turning around or something.

59:15

And we were walking away and he just kind

59:17

of turned behind and he goes, is that all

59:19

right? And I was

59:21

like, are

59:23

you asking me? This is

59:26

my first series regular. I'm

59:28

five years old. I don't

59:30

know if I seemed great. How

59:32

could you not be great? You're Alfred Molina.

59:37

You know, it's just one of those moments that you really

59:39

realize nobody ever feels like they

59:41

nailed it. Also, by the

59:43

way, that's a David E. Kelly show, correct? Yeah.

59:45

I'm always curious about him because for somebody who

59:47

has made that much television, he is an

59:50

enigma to me. Like you're Mr.

59:52

Michelle Pfeiffer and you created

59:54

Big Little Lies and every other TV show.

59:56

And I don't have a sense of you

59:58

as a personality. Yeah. He likes to

1:00:00

be an addict. I mean, he really is like, if it's

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Martha on recently. Yeah, we did. I loved

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that show. I loved it too.

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mean, I can. Martha needs to stay on TV too.

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a couple of actors. Intimidating people. John

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Malkovich, woo! Like,

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I don't think I could actually be on a set with John

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Malkovich. I'd probably crumble. I would not survive that.

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I would just have the Malkovich from being

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John Malkovich stuck in my head the whole

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know. I just hear Malkovich, Malkovich, in my head the whole

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details. Fashion's

1:03:35

biggest night was last night, Lewis. And I do mean

1:03:37

Fashion's Night Out. You sound like three e-correspondents

1:03:39

at once. Do you remember Fashion's Night Out? Kind

1:03:42

of. What is that? It was

1:03:44

where sort of like the designers and things would

1:03:48

have just like a little bit of a party. I believe it was

1:03:50

in New York and it was in LA too. Circle like 2009 to

1:03:52

2011. Yes, where we

1:03:54

came of age. Yes.

1:04:00

Yeah, but no, the Met Gala

1:04:03

was last night. The

1:04:05

one day a year, we all gathered to

1:04:07

ask Rihanna about something other than the album

1:04:09

we're never getting from her. Right. We

1:04:12

will get, you do get a nice dress from her every

1:04:14

two years or so. Yes. This

1:04:16

year's dress code was The Garden of Time and also

1:04:20

Sleeping Beauty's Fashion

1:04:22

Reawakened and Zendaya,

1:04:24

Jennifer Lopez, Bad Bunny and

1:04:26

also Chris Hemsworth were the

1:04:29

co-chairs and I teased it

1:04:31

earlier. I was making fun

1:04:33

of Chris Hemsworth for, you know, just his

1:04:35

regular suit or whatever. It was a cream

1:04:37

colored suit with black shoes. Yeah. Yeah. I

1:04:39

was like, all right. When

1:04:41

I saw that man in person at this party

1:04:43

last night, dancing to,

1:04:46

I think it was like

1:04:49

Wang Chung or something. All right. And nothing

1:04:51

wrong with that. Like, everybody had fun tonight.

1:04:53

It was, the

1:04:55

man was so hot. Again, Australia

1:04:57

is not messing around. They put out

1:04:59

these specimens that are, you know, sun

1:05:01

dappled and extraordinary. Yeah.

1:05:05

So, all right. The Met

1:05:07

Gala, first of all, it

1:05:09

wasn't picketed. Interesting.

1:05:13

Because I think that everyone who

1:05:15

has sort of been stalling this

1:05:17

whole Conde Nast Union

1:05:20

thing was like, oh, maybe we should

1:05:22

come to a decision and give you

1:05:24

people what they want before

1:05:26

they strike at the

1:05:28

Met Gala. Because I'm sure

1:05:31

they were like, given the

1:05:33

writer's strike and then

1:05:36

the sag strike, there

1:05:38

were plenty of actors and people who

1:05:40

probably would not have crossed that picket

1:05:42

line. Yeah. Oh, certainly. Definitely. But

1:05:46

mostly all the Met Gala regulars showed up. You

1:05:48

had Nicole Kidman wearing, I'm going to say at

1:05:50

my least favorite gown she's ever worn to a

1:05:52

Met Gala. Or maybe ever. Really?

1:05:56

The thrill of the dress was supposed to be, it was kind of

1:05:58

full in the front. Like, it of pregnant looking,

1:06:00

so she had to kind of hold the bump

1:06:02

as she walked around. That was her one available

1:06:04

pose. I don't know. Sometimes avant-garde

1:06:06

is avant garish, and that's what that

1:06:09

was to me. I mean, speaking

1:06:11

of pregnancy bump, there was Leah

1:06:13

Michelle. Love

1:06:15

her new project. Yeah. Which

1:06:18

I can rarely say. I

1:06:21

want to talk about people who I

1:06:23

did really enjoy before we

1:06:25

get into sort of the night, but there's

1:06:28

a day of course who always fucking stuns

1:06:30

on a carpet. I feel like she needs

1:06:33

to go Sleeping Beauties. Especially if

1:06:35

she's a long nap. She is

1:06:38

out and about and promoting any continent.

1:06:40

Dude, challengers, this. The

1:06:44

red carpet's tired of her. Right. And

1:06:46

I will say, I feel like she's kind

1:06:48

of working at a deficit right now because

1:06:50

her look at the Dune premiere, that metallic

1:06:53

kind of C-3PO sex god outfit was

1:06:55

so spectacular and so state of

1:06:57

the art that everything that's following

1:06:59

it now is pretty and presentable,

1:07:01

but not giving me that verve

1:07:05

I got from that outfit. And her two looks

1:07:07

this night, she wore two

1:07:09

different kind of flowery arrangements, and the

1:07:11

first one had a real black swan

1:07:13

sort of makeup presentation. Seems

1:07:16

sort of like standard for her. I didn't think they

1:07:18

were extraordinary. Yeah. Yeah,

1:07:20

I mean the first one was

1:07:23

Marjela Couture, and then the other

1:07:25

one was Givenchy. We've seen so

1:07:27

many amazing moments, like you said,

1:07:29

from Zendaya. And when

1:07:31

you get a fabulous moment like Rihanna,

1:07:34

at the Met Gala, it's always Rihanna

1:07:36

is shutting down the Met Gala and

1:07:38

it's iconic, right? And for

1:07:40

Zendaya, it's been, girl, you've been having to

1:07:43

give us iconic every other day. Right.

1:07:46

Simply not that many things can be iconic. It's just not

1:07:48

how the brain works. I mean, I always just love

1:07:50

seeing her in general, so I can't be mad

1:07:52

at it. Can I say something about the Met

1:07:54

Gala in general? There's a category of tweet I

1:07:56

cannot stand, and I will read one right now.

1:08:00

bunch of celebrities go to the mekialla dressed

1:08:02

as wind chimes or whatever and we all

1:08:04

treat incredible while we try to figure out

1:08:06

how to get health insurance. Why do people

1:08:08

only have revelations like this when like a

1:08:10

celebrity event involving women happens? They never have

1:08:12

this thought when like the Super Bowl is

1:08:14

going on. I feel like people are always

1:08:17

dressing this condescension towards women

1:08:19

getting attention basically as

1:08:21

some important stance when really it's like,

1:08:24

guys there are plenty more garish corporate

1:08:26

middle of pop culture things. Again I'm gonna bring

1:08:29

up the Super Bowl again. People are paid 500

1:08:31

million dollars to catch a ball. You understand that

1:08:33

right? I mean whereas

1:08:35

also it's like I get that these are famous

1:08:37

celebrities and they're walking around in pretty dresses and

1:08:39

that's the thrill for a viewer. It also is

1:08:42

art a little bit. There also is

1:08:44

something to criticize. There also is some

1:08:46

I don't know pleasure beyond we're

1:08:49

watching rich people be rich and I feel like

1:08:51

people act really dense about that and want to

1:08:53

have a huge point about what are we doing

1:08:55

with humanity when there's all this crap going on

1:08:57

in the world. I'm sorry you need two different

1:08:59

brains here. I think prettiness has a place in

1:09:01

the world and I think shaming people for you

1:09:04

know I don't know wearing a Givenchy dress and

1:09:07

going out in public it's like so would you prefer

1:09:09

that not to exist at all ever? Would that make

1:09:11

the world better for you? I just can't stand that

1:09:13

kind of condescension. I think it's generally misogynist. Yeah

1:09:16

and I mean speaking of things going on in

1:09:18

the world there's a lot of interesting outfits on

1:09:20

the carpet because a lot of them were John

1:09:24

Galliano. That's a

1:09:27

problem sure. Yeah you

1:09:29

know Anna had originally wanted

1:09:31

it to be it was leaked or

1:09:34

that they had wanted it to be

1:09:36

an exhibition of John Galliano's work but

1:09:38

I think if you recall in 2011

1:09:40

he was fired from

1:09:42

Dior for being a little

1:09:45

anti-Semitic you know would you describe saying

1:09:47

I love Hitler and people

1:09:50

like you would be dead your mothers

1:09:52

your forefathers would all be fucking gassed

1:09:54

to a group of Jewish diners at

1:09:56

a Paris bistro. Would you consider that

1:09:58

anti-Semitic? Oh just really important. You

1:10:00

have to really interpret it to get to

1:10:03

the meeting there. Unbelievable. Yeah. So,

1:10:05

I mean, John Galliado does a

1:10:07

Kim Kardashian dress. You know, a

1:10:09

lot of people were sort of... Once

1:10:11

they found out that the intended idea

1:10:15

was to sort of honor him in the first place, but

1:10:17

then they didn't do it, a lot of

1:10:19

people were just sort of wearing Galliado. There's

1:10:21

also a lot of people just wearing whatever

1:10:24

the fuck they wanted, because I feel like

1:10:26

if the Meckiella people just abandon the theme

1:10:28

altogether, they get sick of it. J.Lo just

1:10:30

wore a standard, unbelievably silver J.Lo thing, which

1:10:32

I kind of applaud when

1:10:34

people go off theme and just do their... Because whatever. Like,

1:10:37

wow us whatever way you can. Like, the theme's not necessarily

1:10:39

important. I would have liked if she tried a little bit.

1:10:41

I don't know. It felt like she could have worn

1:10:43

that to anything. Yeah. I think that

1:10:45

at a certain point, the

1:10:48

sort of vibe last night, and

1:10:50

from people online and from people just sort

1:10:53

of at parties that I went

1:10:55

to after were... I don't know.

1:10:58

This year felt very not good in terms

1:11:00

of people and their looks. And it's just

1:11:02

sort of... I don't

1:11:04

know. Maybe just pick a designer or maybe

1:11:06

pick some other theme. Like, camp. That was

1:11:08

fun. At least you got to see people

1:11:11

try an attempt camp. And then you got to

1:11:13

scream at them for doing it wrong. That was

1:11:15

really exciting. Yeah. Lots for us to

1:11:17

do. Yeah. I felt like in

1:11:20

general, this year's Meckiella felt standard. Like what

1:11:22

we had seen, we had seen versions of

1:11:24

this Opulence Before versions of... People are always

1:11:26

kind of wearing floral things, so it didn't

1:11:28

really feel like much of an occasion to

1:11:30

center it around that look. Also,

1:11:32

florals for spring? Exactly. The

1:11:35

ground is not broken, shall we say. Yeah.

1:11:38

It could have been a red carpet for anything. Right,

1:11:41

right, right. I did appreciate how Tyler

1:11:43

looked. That I thought was

1:11:45

one of the most sumptuous looks of

1:11:47

the night. It was just this very

1:11:49

form-fitting, kind of beigey oatmeal look. And

1:11:53

also her makeup was just so stunning, too. That was like

1:11:55

the appearance of a new celebrity. I also want to say

1:11:57

that Cola Scola, who... of

1:12:00

fresh off their run in

1:12:02

O'Mary at the Lortel Theater

1:12:05

is now moving to Broadway. Cole

1:12:08

appeared in just shock white, looking kind of

1:12:10

like a ghost in a Scooby-Doo episode. It

1:12:15

was exactly right. It was so fabulous. You kept being

1:12:17

like, who the fuck is that person? Who has

1:12:20

the nerve to wear something like that? And it was somebody who was

1:12:22

legitimately exciting. I love when people use the

1:12:24

Mount Gala to illustrate that there is actually

1:12:26

something exciting about them, and not just that

1:12:28

they are wearing exciting clothes. Yeah,

1:12:31

I mean, there's a lot of people wearing

1:12:33

Tom Brown, and it can sort of be,

1:12:35

okay, we've seen this before, but Cole

1:12:38

really made it their own. Yeah. And

1:12:41

it was sort of, I think you had a tweet about

1:12:43

that too. Just sort of, we're

1:12:45

used to getting the biggest stars at the

1:12:47

Met Gala, but it's so much fun seeing

1:12:49

someone like Cole who is becoming a known

1:12:53

entity in their own right. Just

1:12:55

sort of do a turn at the Met Gala.

1:12:58

I could also serve, and you're serving better

1:13:00

than people who should know

1:13:02

better. And who serve for a living, right? So

1:13:04

yeah, to show up and just kind of stand

1:13:07

in your space that you're finally being given and

1:13:09

say, well, isn't this interesting? Again,

1:13:12

the fabulous thing about events like this

1:13:14

is it is an opportunity to be

1:13:16

fascinating. We can be fascinating with you,

1:13:18

especially Sarah Jessica Parker, who literally wore

1:13:20

a fascinating tour. Yeah,

1:13:23

I mean, she pulled that

1:13:25

out of the, and just like that set.

1:13:28

Right, it felt like she could have gotten married in that outfit

1:13:30

in one of the Sex and the City movies. Yeah. Honestly,

1:13:34

the best part of the Met Gala for me

1:13:36

is just sort of how it takes over New

1:13:38

York. And it's sort of fun to go

1:13:41

to parties afterwards. Obviously, if you're

1:13:43

a big celebrity, you are walking the carpet. That's

1:13:45

sort of the point of going to the Met

1:13:47

Gala for me, to be honest. You can buy

1:13:49

tickets, and plenty of people do. And

1:13:53

obviously those, you know, business people and other

1:13:55

sort of executives and stuff or whatever, they

1:13:58

have their tables, et cetera, there. just

1:14:00

feel like, unless you're on the carpet,

1:14:02

you're missing the fun of it. So it's sort of,

1:14:04

I like the fact that there

1:14:06

are parties and you get invited to

1:14:08

them and then you can go there and like you're with

1:14:10

your friends who are sort of either

1:14:12

in whatever industry, it sort

1:14:15

of feels like Oscar Emmy night in

1:14:17

LA, you know,

1:14:19

where there are multiple parties going on and you're

1:14:21

sort of hopping back and forth to them, but

1:14:23

these are sort of a little

1:14:25

easier to get into in New

1:14:27

York. If you at least are connected anyway

1:14:30

in nightlife, you know, I like that

1:14:32

it's a formal occasion, but also it's

1:14:34

about frivolity too. Like, like, you know,

1:14:36

there's like always a layer of, and

1:14:38

you can be subversive or you can

1:14:40

be loud or you can be classy.

1:14:42

Like there's lots of opportunity to express

1:14:44

actual personality. Yeah. So I went

1:14:46

to the boom, boom room, which, which always

1:14:49

has a party last year. It was Janelle

1:14:51

Monae. This year it was FK twigs hosted

1:14:53

a party sponsored by Hiddecee.

1:14:55

And I was like, I don't know what

1:14:57

this ethereal bitch has to do with Hiddecee,

1:14:59

but I loved it. Yeah. Yeah.

1:15:01

But you fit right in. Yeah. And,

1:15:04

uh, she, she was, instead

1:15:06

of doing like a performance,

1:15:08

uh, she had, um, so

1:15:10

would come up, um, and doing like

1:15:13

shouts on the mic and she was

1:15:15

basically like inviting anybody who knew how

1:15:17

to vogue to come down, um,

1:15:19

to the dance floor and vote for her and

1:15:21

she was just dancing, having a fucking great time.

1:15:23

Oh, so Vanessa Hudgens came right up. It

1:15:27

was sneaker night. Sneaker

1:15:30

night as a Met Gala theme. I

1:15:33

don't feel like we've ever really talked about sneaker night on

1:15:35

this show. Guys, if you do not know this single from

1:15:37

Vanessa Hudgens, which is truly a song styled

1:15:39

around the fun of wearing sneakers. Basically

1:15:42

what we're going to do is dance. It'll come easily when you hear the

1:15:44

beat. Basically

1:15:47

as the first word in a chorus,

1:15:49

the nerve, the nerve, the way

1:15:51

she starts that song out with the sort of

1:15:54

call to arms, puts your sneakers

1:15:56

on. It's that

1:15:58

is a work of art. Honestly, my favorite

1:16:01

memory of sneaker night is when

1:16:03

we were writing in the Q-Force writers

1:16:05

room I think that Gabe Liedman had

1:16:07

never seen it So we sort of

1:16:09

just stopped the day to watch the

1:16:11

sneaker night And do you

1:16:13

ever really recover from that? It's such a mind-blowing like

1:16:15

I would say the vibe of the song is Chester

1:16:17

Cheetah in a commercial that's Anyway

1:16:22

That party was fun the

1:16:24

weird thing about these parties is that Basically

1:16:26

there were a lot more this year

1:16:28

because celebrities love to get

1:16:31

a check. We're doing nothing sure So

1:16:33

there are all these things all over the city, but I

1:16:35

went from that one and then I went to do a

1:16:38

Leopold's party She had one last year

1:16:41

And this year was fun, but this one was

1:16:43

really more of a like I said, it was

1:16:45

oonce vibes There was sort of

1:16:47

fog so this one you really couldn't tell

1:16:50

What celebrities were sort of there? I mean

1:16:53

I saw like Alex Edelman Coming

1:16:56

out of the fog leaving at one point, but he's

1:16:58

at every fucking party Also

1:17:00

honorary Tony winner we should congratulate

1:17:02

Alex Edelman. Yeah special Tony

1:17:05

I also want to say I enjoy the idea of

1:17:07

a fog at a party though when guests get to

1:17:09

act like you know Kate Bush whirling

1:17:11

in a video that's fun That's kind of what being

1:17:13

a celebrity should be but when there's

1:17:15

too much far at the rave It doesn't it

1:17:18

feel a little bit like? Like

1:17:21

a battlefield in a war movie yes, right it

1:17:23

also is lightly giving the coconut grove like should

1:17:25

I be getting out of this room? Yeah The

1:17:29

best one I went to though was I

1:17:31

was just with our friend Ty Sunderland and

1:17:34

we all ended up at this bar the mulberry and

1:17:37

Christian Siriano loves that bar Some

1:17:39

there with him this boyfriend Kyle

1:17:42

and basically it just seems like

1:17:44

oh the night's over I'm just there with

1:17:46

my friends. We're hanging out and then People

1:17:49

start arriving I'm talking

1:17:52

high enough Jeremy O'Harris Jody

1:17:55

Turner Oh him swerve turner

1:17:57

looked amazing at the max fucking amazing

1:17:59

Chris Hemse were Matt

1:18:01

Damon, Reno

1:18:04

Ora, Taika Waititi, and this was sort

1:18:06

of a really fun after party

1:18:08

vibe because I feel like you know what it's

1:18:11

like when you go to like one of those

1:18:13

big parties and it's sort of everyone can be

1:18:15

there and there's other industry people, celebrities always feel

1:18:17

like someone's gonna come up to me

1:18:19

and ask for a photo and be annoying, you know? And

1:18:22

this one I feel like everyone was really just

1:18:25

in the vibe of dancing and having

1:18:27

fun and I think that when you have

1:18:29

that mix of the party's actually fun and

1:18:31

people are just sort of having

1:18:33

fun themselves, they're not busy standing around

1:18:36

looking for, oh who's there? There

1:18:38

were, I mean, like I said, I was dancing

1:18:40

with Chris Hemsworth and didn't even realize it was

1:18:42

him until I turned around and saw this very

1:18:44

tall, hot Australian looking back at me. No,

1:18:47

I mean, it's nice that you can feel

1:18:49

chill around people of that caliber, which

1:18:52

again, I sort of have to credit

1:18:54

to New York City itself. It's just equality as I

1:18:56

ascribe to that city. Yeah, I

1:18:58

had an extended conversation with Jody Turner

1:19:00

and she is fucking fantastic,

1:19:03

to be honest. Gorgeous, even more gorgeous than you can

1:19:05

imagine in person. I loved her in that movie After

1:19:07

Yang, which sort of came and went and had Colin

1:19:09

Farrell in it, but it was sort of an awards

1:19:12

contender at the time. People should revisit that. Yeah,

1:19:14

anyway, basically I fucking enjoy the Met

1:19:16

Gala and I think it's fun

1:19:19

and I think it's one of the few

1:19:21

like big moment things like this where it just

1:19:24

feels like the point is to be goofy and

1:19:26

the point is the frivolousness, you know, so it's

1:19:28

just like lean into it. And there's no formal

1:19:30

winners, so you can have just fun with it.

1:19:32

It's not like the Oscars where you're waiting, you

1:19:34

know, am I the best, am I not, etc.

1:19:37

There are no speeches. Yeah.

1:19:40

Or if there are, I don't know, Anna's probably talking. When

1:19:43

you're serving Bob, you're often serving a speech

1:19:45

too. All

1:19:48

right, when we're back. And

1:19:55

we're back with our favorite segment of the

1:19:57

episode. It is Keep It, Lewis.

1:20:00

Yes, What's. Yours I watched this

1:20:02

Anne Hathaway movie the Idea of You over the

1:20:04

weekend with Nicholas. Cool it seems. She plays a

1:20:06

woman who just celebrates her fortieth birthday and she

1:20:08

ends up falling in love with this pop star.

1:20:11

Her. Daughter was once obsessed with it

1:20:13

is now basically too old to care about. They

1:20:15

meet at Coats. our. This

1:20:17

what's interesting about this movie. Anne Hathaway is

1:20:20

Samuel Us and which is not exactly novel.

1:20:22

She's an awesome actress but I want to

1:20:24

say in this era of any anyone but

1:20:27

you being this. Break Out Sensation.

1:20:29

I feel like people really want to return

1:20:31

to form for the rom com and I

1:20:33

think what we really need is to keep

1:20:35

the rom and keep it to the com

1:20:37

because there is no comedy in this movie.

1:20:39

Basically it's the it's like a kind of

1:20:41

sad as romantic drama that takes place in

1:20:43

away and I really liked it better that

1:20:45

way If there was a lot to sink

1:20:48

your teeth into at all I can say

1:20:50

is it's a really adult movies that is

1:20:52

also very light and I think that's a

1:20:54

really rare combination nowadays. Are you know maybe

1:20:56

in the nineties you would get romantic movies.

1:20:58

Like that but it's a lot like a

1:21:00

specific so bad and there's just no side

1:21:02

so comedy to distract you. From. What's

1:21:04

happening? Like when I think of anyone but you. The

1:21:07

to Liza I guess did have some good

1:21:09

chemistry, but really, there were such broad comedy

1:21:12

stance going on that we're just not. Savory.

1:21:15

like. half that movie could have had the

1:21:17

America's Funniest Home Videos theme playing on. I

1:21:19

prefer. oh we got dropped in the water,

1:21:21

oh you're naked and have a leech on

1:21:23

you or whatever you know was just way

1:21:25

too broad. whereas in this. Obviously.

1:21:28

It to me I would still describe it as a light

1:21:30

movie like if you're watching at home. It's. A

1:21:32

movie where every once in while you stop

1:21:34

vacuuming and cheap and look even harder at

1:21:36

the screen. But it's just it's a pleasant

1:21:38

movie and that the stakes are just as

1:21:41

relationship. It's not a you know it's not

1:21:43

a pretentious movie in any way and I

1:21:45

really enjoyed it like that the it also

1:21:47

felt kind of real to me and that

1:21:49

I feel like it's a forty year old

1:21:51

woman could get into a relationship with a

1:21:53

twenty something percent. Be. sort of

1:21:55

not in not care about the celebrity

1:21:58

he's acquired or like the mania around

1:22:00

him and just be navigating her emotions in regards

1:22:02

to who he actually is. It felt real to

1:22:04

me. I was really pleased with this movie. I

1:22:08

really like this movie a lot too and

1:22:10

I felt that I

1:22:13

also was glad that it was

1:22:15

not giving rom com, which by the way, I

1:22:18

did everyone online to just

1:22:20

sort of learn what a rom com is.

1:22:23

Right. Because not everything with romance in

1:22:25

it is a romantic comedy. Yeah.

1:22:29

And also it's like the thing we

1:22:31

really are longing for in terms of

1:22:33

rom coms is something almost specifically that

1:22:35

Nora Efron and Nancy Meyers brought, which

1:22:37

is the comedy is about the witty

1:22:39

dialogue. It's not about, oh,

1:22:42

we drove this car off a mountain. Oops, or whatever happens

1:22:44

in any one video. Even

1:22:48

when you think of like my best friend's wedding,

1:22:50

you know, stealing the truck at the end or

1:22:52

whatever, like that is as wacky as

1:22:54

things sort of get. You

1:22:57

know, there aren't all these stupid gags.

1:22:59

Like the jokes in rom coms used

1:23:01

to be the characters. Totally. Yes.

1:23:04

It was a character based movie. I will say in my

1:23:06

best friend's wedding that character should go to jail because she

1:23:08

was breaking into computers and it was a bit too far.

1:23:12

She was definitely like Sammy Brady from Days

1:23:14

of Our Lives. She was, she's

1:23:17

a manipulative bitch. Holding

1:23:19

a gigantic smile as she breaks into her mainframe.

1:23:23

We need more movies like

1:23:25

that again. Give us, give us

1:23:28

movies where the character is fun

1:23:30

and likable, but also this bitch

1:23:32

is crazy. No, right. Drawn Into

1:23:35

Psychosis by The Love of Man. That I understand.

1:23:37

Yeah. This

1:23:39

movie, by the way, Idea

1:23:42

of You was produced by

1:23:44

Gabrielle Yigan. Friend to keep it. Yeah.

1:23:47

Love her. This movie is fucking great.

1:23:49

Michael Showalter directed it. He did direct the best actress

1:23:51

winning The Eyes of Tammy Faye. Jennifer

1:23:54

Westfeldt Wrote the screenplay. Oh, that was

1:23:56

on my mind the entire time because

1:23:58

Jennifer Westfeldt, who is A. The

1:24:00

nominated actress. Mom. And she wrote

1:24:02

the movie Kissing Jessica Stein of a Not

1:24:04

The Ark and see as the ex wife

1:24:06

of Jon Hamm. And in this movie this

1:24:09

woman who is now in her forties talks

1:24:11

about a difficult break up with a guy

1:24:13

who. Seems. Like a deuce bag all

1:24:15

things considered. Anyway, I felt like he was promo for

1:24:17

the thought that Jon Hamm my sock a little that

1:24:19

I have no idea. Of

1:24:23

it. Also. Adds did

1:24:25

not realize it's or maybe half way

1:24:28

for the movie that that was the

1:24:30

act from Beat read Scott who my

1:24:32

Life yet his grab the of young

1:24:34

people that never got an Emmy nomination

1:24:36

for Veep and I think the reason

1:24:39

is too many other people were getting

1:24:41

nominated but he would have been worthy.

1:24:43

He was always so funny on that's

1:24:45

our Is also by the way based

1:24:48

on this book written by our asses

1:24:50

Robin Li who start with Gabrielle Union

1:24:52

in the movie Deliver Us From Eva

1:24:54

New. Thousand Three so a sort of a

1:24:56

reunion for both of them. Look at all

1:24:58

the I am the being we have done

1:25:00

just on this one movie alone, Cheese and

1:25:03

Live or Die. This is the work we

1:25:05

put into a pot test. These are these

1:25:07

other things you need to be thinking about

1:25:09

when you're watching movies. By the way because

1:25:11

I know you have been placed in a

1:25:13

Matrix on Vulture, it is advisory. Yeah it

1:25:15

is. I love that game at it is

1:25:17

if you haven't played this game to the

1:25:19

cigar grid where you get three actors and

1:25:21

then there are three categories that you sort

1:25:23

of have to. Sell out if

1:25:25

you go to. Even. Today

1:25:28

is the actors are.

1:25:31

Paul Downtown Daniel Day Lewis Paul

1:25:33

Thomas Anderson Director and that it's

1:25:36

Oscar nominated Best pitcher mr Them.

1:25:38

Release Date: Two thousand and Five

1:25:41

to twenty four Team and to

1:25:43

work Title. Oh. That's

1:25:45

so fun! And. The fun thing

1:25:47

about this game is you get

1:25:50

higher points if you get

1:25:52

a movie for one of the

1:25:54

categories that I'm. A.

1:25:56

lower percentage of people playing the

1:25:59

game have Which by

1:26:01

the way, reminds me, I like to play

1:26:03

this game midway through the day when more

1:26:05

people have already played, so you're actually going

1:26:07

up against the correct percentages of people. Like

1:26:10

the Family Feud survey has been filled out, so to speak. Yeah,

1:26:12

if you do it in the morning, you're

1:26:14

basically competing with no one. Or like the

1:26:17

most zealous people who know everything about movies.

1:26:20

Yeah, and it is really fun to

1:26:22

sort of test your knowledge of, do

1:26:25

I remember an obscure movie

1:26:29

of someone from like 2000 to 2009 instead

1:26:31

of just like picking the first movie that

1:26:33

comes to mind. Right, like a two word

1:26:35

Paul Thomas Anderson movie would be Hard 8

1:26:37

starring the wonderful Gwyneth Paltrow. And

1:26:41

what were like the two movies you mentioned

1:26:43

online where you said, people need to remember

1:26:45

these because every actor's in these movies. Oh,

1:26:47

yes. What's great about this game

1:26:49

is you get to use movies like Woody Allen

1:26:51

Celebrity, which has every celebrity, like Leonardo DiCaprio, Charlize

1:26:54

Theron, it goes on and on. And

1:26:56

therefore, when you need an obscure answer, you

1:26:58

can really use it in that case. Or

1:27:00

like the player movies with just a gigantic

1:27:02

cast that maybe not everybody remembers well. I'm

1:27:05

still waiting to use Lions for Lambs, a

1:27:07

movie that I've never actually seen, but I've

1:27:09

always been obsessed with the title

1:27:11

and the poster for it from 2007. And

1:27:15

our guest, Sariu Blue, is in

1:27:18

it. I'm always interested in the weird morass that was

1:27:20

2000's Meryl. She was

1:27:22

in some of these amazing movies and

1:27:24

then like strange movies. She

1:27:26

took every project. This cast

1:27:29

is Robert Redford, Tom Cruise, Meryl

1:27:31

Streep, Andrew Garfield, Michael

1:27:33

Pena, Derek Luth,

1:27:36

Peter Berg. What's going on

1:27:38

here? Just everybody. Yeah, it's a party. And

1:27:41

Ira, what is your Keep It This Week? It

1:27:43

is with a very heavy heart that I deliver this Keep

1:27:45

It, Lewis. Oh, no. This Keep It

1:27:47

is to a friend of the pod. Oh,

1:27:50

God. We love her work, but

1:27:53

Zadie Smith. Yes, a

1:27:56

fabulous writer, generally speaking. Zadie Smith penned

1:27:58

an essay for The New Year. Yorker

1:28:01

titled War in Gaza, Shibboleth

1:28:04

on Campus. And it was basically

1:28:06

about the, you know, sort of

1:28:09

outbreak of protests that have

1:28:11

been happening across campuses in America

1:28:13

about Palestine and Gaza. And

1:28:16

first of all, there's been a lot

1:28:18

of talk about her fiction versus her nonfiction. And I

1:28:20

feel like when she's in the

1:28:23

nonfiction sphere, it's a little very verbose

1:28:26

and hard to weed your way through. But

1:28:29

the crux of this was basically

1:28:33

when you're students and you're putting,

1:28:35

you know, things onto cardboard,

1:28:37

when you're holding up signs

1:28:39

or whatever, like those are

1:28:41

essentially weapons of mass destruction.

1:28:43

Basically, it's, we're

1:28:45

sort of in this weird point now

1:28:48

where I feel like a lot of

1:28:50

people are critiquing just the act of

1:28:52

students protesting and saying things and having

1:28:54

public political opinions in a way that

1:28:56

feels very, I don't know, ahistorical to

1:28:58

me. Yes. No, I'm

1:29:00

sorry to say that when Bernie Sanders spoke

1:29:02

up and said, you know, you're doing

1:29:05

great, keep going. I was relieved to

1:29:07

hear someone say that, you know. Yeah.

1:29:10

Is this thing that happens with, I

1:29:12

mean, it happened with

1:29:14

Ferguson, you know, it happened with

1:29:16

2020 with those protests. It's just

1:29:18

there's always something where protests

1:29:20

sort of happen and there's younger people

1:29:23

protesting. And each time it's sort

1:29:25

of like memento, we get

1:29:27

amnesia and there's people that are

1:29:29

pundits hopping online or

1:29:31

other politicians and there are people

1:29:34

on CNN or whatever going, what

1:29:36

are these people doing? And that's not the right

1:29:38

way to protest. And, you know, you go stand

1:29:40

in this free speech area where it's better for

1:29:43

you to say what you actually want to say,

1:29:45

but like do it where we can't hear it

1:29:47

and don't disrupt things. And it's, do you fucking

1:29:49

know what protest is For? And Also, it feels

1:29:51

very crazy to generalize all protesters at this thing

1:29:54

with the same sort of sentiments or whatever, you

1:29:56

know, and I felt like a lot of this

1:29:58

dialogue is getting away from. Why?

1:30:00

People are protesting, which is a lot

1:30:02

about divesting university funds away from things.

1:30:05

That. Signed Israel, etc. you know, for

1:30:07

the cupboards of the side I have

1:30:09

found to be mind blowing and disorienting.

1:30:11

and and all that now yachts. overblown

1:30:14

coverage of this when there's so much

1:30:16

other said happening? Yeah, absolutely. It's just

1:30:18

it's odd. I hate when like the

1:30:20

news was like latches onto something is

1:30:23

very sensationalist and it's we're going to

1:30:25

cover this like front to back off

1:30:27

like a day and it's This is

1:30:29

like a fraction of actually what you

1:30:32

should really be reporting about and. Just.

1:30:34

As a t swift tip is. It

1:30:37

always feels weird to be weird someone

1:30:39

who's sort of on when he's the

1:30:41

were like the Elites you know, but

1:30:43

it's like someone who was so far

1:30:45

removed from what is actually happening. Writing

1:30:47

about it just feels so navel gazing.

1:30:49

I would like to hear personally more

1:30:51

from people entrenched in its Shore. Yeah,

1:30:54

and I guess that you may be have an opinion

1:30:56

on it, but do we need to hear it? I

1:30:58

felt that way about half of the Tortured Poets department.

1:31:00

You know, like million innocent she had to write, but

1:31:02

I don't know that they needed to be received necessarily.

1:31:04

You know what? To. Do we perhaps

1:31:06

to write Russell Optimism? I don't know. You

1:31:08

know she had like one hundred and fifty

1:31:10

tracks ready to go and these are the

1:31:13

eleven she packed. It's is surprising I'm surprised

1:31:15

she picked this job. but you know what

1:31:17

a maybe once summer hits make? Maybe this

1:31:19

is like. She. Does like to

1:31:21

travel justice. As Music for Majorca says that I've

1:31:24

never been a Majorca for once I get there

1:31:26

may be I love it I the song falling

1:31:28

Forever that is sort of like the best of

1:31:30

your own. It's as good as your of as

1:31:32

and can be which as you know is a

1:31:34

be modest. Success of us

1:31:36

since I our A and so okay.

1:31:39

that's it Now I'm excited for that

1:31:41

Shore. Where. I'm sort of

1:31:43

a lot of flags. Umbra? Yes, absolutely.

1:31:46

No. anyway less are so this

1:31:48

weight loss yeah no kidding from do

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a and then back to do

1:31:52

i will say due to sorry you

1:31:54

blue for joining us them so

1:31:56

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