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Hi, everybody. This

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short segment is what we call for the good

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of the order. It's something we used to do

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at the end of my sorority meetings, if you

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can believe that, where someone

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would share something that they came across in

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the course of the week, a poem, a

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song lyric, a short story that

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they found enormously helpful as they

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went about daily life. I

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wanted to pick up the thread because I am

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so often wowed by something I see in the

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world that I want to bring back and hand

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off to you. So every

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Friday, we produce a short segment

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called for the good of the order. Think of

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it like an audio greeting card, a

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thing to share with the people that you love

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around the country who you don't get to see

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or talk to enough, a thing

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to discuss with the people you do see

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and talk to on a more regular basis.

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This is Kelly Corrigan-Wunders for

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all states and situations. is

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the most unusual go-to we've ever done. This

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is a letter from me to you

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about an upcoming episode that I am

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a little nervous about. You're

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a listener, that's you. Next

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Tuesday, we are releasing an

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unusual conversation about abortion and

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reproductive rights between two

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women with opposite

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positions. One, April Lawson. She's

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a pro-life conservative and she's a very

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new friend of mine. And

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two, me, a

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pro-choice liberal. If you've

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caught any of the recent episodes, you know

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that we've been looking at rupture and repair

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from lots of different angles, marriage

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and family, political, personal,

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religious, and secular. Each

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conversation has been so full of

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good sound advice on how to

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have the hardest conversations. And

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it seems like the only honest way to

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end this five-part series was to

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try out the best practices myself

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and to try it out on an issue that

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holds great meaning for me. I'm

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not generally super public about my politics.

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I don't post a lot about them

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and I certainly don't talk

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about them explicitly in the pods, though

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I'm sure you've picked up the odd

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liberal leaning here or there. The

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reason I don't talk about them is because

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I am totally aware that there's so much

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that I don't quite understand. Like

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I have a few articles worth

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of information about many topics,

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which is not nearly enough to

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get out the bullhorn. And

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frankly, the odds of revealing my

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many pockets of ignorance just

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felt too high. And

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of course, I am really much more endeared

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by the personal side of things. I

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like the ruminations and biases and the

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anxieties and the fantasies that make us

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human. The ways our patterns

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of thought and feeling make us all

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so obviously alike. Bye.

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I also believe that learning in public,

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which was on the shortlist of names

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for this podcast, has value.

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Some other beliefs I hold that seem

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relevant to this upcoming episode. One,

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truth is a real thing, but

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it's sometimes unknowable. For

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instance, who can really say when

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a life begins? Two,

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offense is in the eye, or

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in this case, the ear, of the

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offended. I have

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shared this podcast with a dozen people in

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advance trying to make sure that it

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is the best possible example

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of a respectful conversation that

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I am capable of offering. And

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still, there will probably be

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some phrase or digression, some

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sentence or point that

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doesn't land well with someone.

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Number three, great relationships.

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Like the one that I hope you feel like we

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have. Do not and

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cannot require total agreement. In

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fact, it might be the sign

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of a great relationship that it

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can endure some disagreement. And

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number four, the goal of a

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society like ours with our huge variety

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of people and opinions is

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that anyone should be able

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to describe their beliefs, beliefs which

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may be idiosyncratic and hypocritical and

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poorly defined and defended without

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fear of retribution. All

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in, I think this is worth

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trying, even if it might turn

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off some of my listeners. Our

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goal, mine and April's, was

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to model productive, respectful

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conversation with an

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agenda not to persuade, but

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rather to understand and

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be understood. This

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conversation may not be for everyone. We

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have hundreds of episodes, so feel free

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to skip around. And of

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course, we are always happy. Happy to hear your feedback

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and answer questions. Your

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beliefs are welcome here. You

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can email us any time, hello

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at kellycorrigan.com. Thanks

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for being an important part, maybe the most

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important part of this

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wonderful group of people.

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Love being with you. Happy

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to hear your feedback and

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answer questions.