Pat and Luj are some of my closest friends. Pat, who is currently in Ateneo law school, is one of the smartest and proactive people I know. Luj, who also has his own podcast (the Familyhood Podcast) and who currently works with Getcraft, is one of the most laidback but principled people I know. Both are great, great friends.

This is a different episode than usual - just three people talking and catching up. Please enjoy this Sunday afternoon conversation with Pat and Luj.

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