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Haiti. It's always the same home.

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I was actually going to say I haven't done.

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Hey dudes in awhile. I have.

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Yep. You totally have one time.

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You said you tried something different, but that was the only time that you veered from the Hey dudes.

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They probably didn't go well.

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Am I trying something different?

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Probably not.

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They probably sounded real stupid and we were probably all just agreed.

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Let's not do that again.

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All right. Okay. So let's get into the case.

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Let's get into the case. All right. This one is obviously you've clicked on it.

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The disappearance of Brianna Maitland, please.

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Everybody say a for this is an unsolved case.

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One like yeah, just one prayer.

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Yeah, exactly. We've had some discussions Tarell and I there've been a lot of them and it's hurting my heart and I, you know, getting through it day by day by day by PI day.

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Amen. It's tough though. So anyway, let's just do it so I can get real pissed because I want to know where these people are and who done it.

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And we just don't have it written down, but Madison did write this one for us.

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So Hey girl things.

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Yes. And if you wanted to watch something on it, I don't know.

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Terrell, did you watch the disappeared season?

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I did actually a long time ago.

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Okay. Yeah. So disappeared season four, episode 11, it's called vanish in Vermont.

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And you can find that on Amazon prime video with an add-on or you could pay for it.

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So, and there is a full podcast, like series about this case.

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So a lot of information out there, obviously we're condensing it into a one hour show, but it's called missing Brianna Maitland and it's by crawlspace, but their media group, I guess.

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So it's very, very detailed.

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If you want more information there, I did also see that trace evidence has an episode on it.

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He does a really, really great job.

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Stephen Pacheco, I think is his name.

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We talked about him before.

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He's always super, super thorough.

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His stuff is also available on YouTube and then true crime garage did a two-parter on it.

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So lots of options out there.

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Yes, absolutely. So let's get into it on Friday, March 19th, 2004.

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Seventeen-year-old Brianna Maitland clocked out of her job at the black laner in, in Montgomery, Vermont at 11:20 PM.

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She told her coworkers that she needed to go home, get some sleep before starting her second job, which was a part-time job the next morning.

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And Brianna was never seen again in the early morning hours of the following day, her vehicle was found off the road and backed into a nearby abandoned farmhouse for keys were gone, but her migraine medication and contacts were still inside.

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17 years later, Brianna is still missing initially thought to possibly be a runaway.

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It soon became clear that Brianna was the victim of foul play.

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Was it drug related or was brand of the victim of an accident that was covered up by friends who were too scared to admit their involvement?

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We don't know, but let's talk about it further.

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Yep. We just don't know. Let's get into who Brianna was or possibly is.

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We don't know. Brianna Alexandra Maitland was born on October 8th, 1986 in Burlington, Vermont to Bruce and Kelly Maitland.

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The couple was young at that time, around 25 years old, when she was born, she lived with her family.

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So her parents and she had an older brother Waylon in Franklin, Vermont, and they lived on a farm.

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So they lived without a lot of modern appliances that we would think to live with.

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They didn't have a microwave or a TV.

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I'm like, okay, I can kind of get that.

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They didn't have a stove either.

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That's kind of crazy. I know that's a lot, but Brianna, I mean, she was totally fine without all that stuff.

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And it's probably like, you know, it's all she ever knew. So I didn't know you needed a microwave, but her friends kind of thought of her as a little bit of a hippie.

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And they said that when they first visited and found out that she could popcorn on a woodstove, they were totally shocked.

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And again, she's just like, well, wait, how else do you cook?

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How do you do it? Yeah. I feel like it's not the same, obviously completely.

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Not the same, but I remember going to cause Ms.

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Kay house very old and has a lot of old gosh like fixtures.

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I don't know. He's very into, yeah.

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He's really into restored and renovated things.

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So we had a clawfoot tub, no closets.

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We have armoires to be seen.

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Yeah. No, I mean hundreds.

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Yeah. And I had no idea. We went on a tour one time.

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They taxed you for doorways at that time.

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So they can't couldn't afford a closet.

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So they just use our morals and stuff like that.

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We had a fainting sofa in our bedroom.

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Like we had no carpet, there were no stairs.

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So when I would go to people's houses, I was like, what?

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Yeah. I thought people who like lived in a two-story house were rich.

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Yes. It was like, you have stairs and carpet.

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Yeah, exactly. Or like one of those built-in with the shower and tub combo was like, man, I wanted that so bad.

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Yeah. I know. And little did we know we had it made an awesome cause we had a whole clawfoot tub and you know, I know.

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Yeah. That's what I would want now. Exactly.

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Yeah. It's funny how it's like, and you just don't know until you see it done differently.

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Right. Okay.

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But she was really like, she could track wild animals in the woods and she helped care for her family's animals.

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She was a very rounded individual.

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Like she had a lot of knowledge that a lot of kids her age would not have had.

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Yeah. And she was also trained in jujitsu, like very well-trained in jujitsu.

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Wow. That is at 17 men.

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I know she had a sharpei named Lao and a cat named muffin.

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I love it. That's cute.

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Brianna was described by friends and family as bubbly and charismatic.

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Her friends called her either Bree or B.

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And she was a free spirit who literally never met a stranger.

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She was known for introducing herself on the first day of school to anyone who looked like they might have been lonely or needed a friend.

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And her dad also said that she was like one to step up when she felt like she was seeing an injustice done.

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You know, she kind of like was an advocate for the underdog sort of thing.

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She wasn't afraid to like take up for people too.

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She was funny, silly.

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She kept notes from her friends taped up in her light, green, 1985 Oldsmobile sedan.

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She never forgot anyone's birthday.

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That is not my talent.

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She was someone who could be counted on and was just fun to be around.

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She was an attention grabber with her long brown hair.

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She had a very slim build, Hazel eyes and long legs.

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And her friends referred to her as the hot one, some dams.

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I know how that goes.

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Just kidding.

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It reminds me of love actually, when Colin goes to America and he has got a big dong or whatever, but he is knob knob and he calls it a knob people in England do that's funny.

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Oh, that's funny because they, he, Rocky used the word knob in the newer.

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I finally listen to the newer season and my dad wrote a porno and he called it a novel like four times.

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And they were like, it's not sexy to call it a knob.

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Like, why do you keep it?

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know. It was like a thing, more of a thing there, but he's like, you know, he's at the bar with the three girls and they're like, oh, we'll have to sleep naked.

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Cause we're super poor. And he's just like, oh my gosh.

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And then they're like, you haven't met Harriet.

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Was that her area here yet?

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And he was like, who's Harriet. And they were like, oh, she's the hot one.

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Oh,

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okay. Well this is a good night, right? Yeah. Great for me.

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Exactly. But they reminded me of that.

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So Brianna's personality was one of trust and sensitivity.

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And this sometimes led her to be a little bit naive.

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Her parents said that she always wanted to see the best in everyone, which you know, can, can sometimes not be a good thing.

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I mean, exactly.

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And she always thought of others before herself and that kind of led her into dangerous situations.

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And her mom said that one time she came home to find Brianna with a hitchhiker that she'd picked up while driving home and nothing bad happened.

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But her parents were like, okay, this is the kind of thing that makes me nervous.

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Like something really bad could have happened, you know?

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Right. Yeah. And you just never know.

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So it's like, even though you want, you're doing it out of the goodness of your heart, you got to keep yourself safe.

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Yeah. Now Brianna had a pretty good relationship with her parents, but she wanted independence and she's 17 years old at this time.

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The only reason I've ever seen for her moving out of her house when she's 17 and changing schools is because she wanted independence.

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Does

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seem

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extreme

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to

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you? I know that me and all of my friends at 17 wanted independence, but we weren't at that to move out.

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Right. But sometimes that came with like, okay, I'm going to get a car or I'll get a part-time job so I can make my own money or right.

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Yeah. It just, I don't know. I've never seen any other reason that she would have moved out and it, by all accounts, she's still had a pretty good relationship with her parents.

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It just seems strange that she would leave the house, especially considering like we'll get into it.

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But so like when she moved out again, she's 17, she moves about 15 miles away from her family's farm.

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And I do understand this she's at the high school that she went to where her family's farm was.

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She felt like she didn't fit in.

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Like, she's a very outgoing girl, but at this school she just wasn't really making friends and her, the people that she was close to, went to a school about 15 miles away.

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And that's where she wanted to be.

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So she ends up moving in with a friend.

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And I guess her family, because all of her friends are still in high school.

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So this is a girl named Katie Manning.

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And she registers at the school there in Enosburg.

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I don't know if I'm saying that right.

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And I am sorry if I'm not no, no shade to anybody.

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I shouldn't have to say, so this ends up falling through.

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She can't stay there anymore. So she ends up kind of couch surfing for a while.

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She stays with, you know, other friends, she stays with boyfriend.

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She stayed in her car some nights.

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This is Vermont. We're talking about the winter in late February of 2004.

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She ends up dropping out of high school.

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So because she doesn't have a good living situation.

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And sometimes I guess maybe she's further from the school or whatever.

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She's just not making it there as easily.

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And she's also not because she doesn't know where she's going to be.

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If she's sleeping in her car, you know, she's not well rested.

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Her academics are suffering.

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She withdraws from school.

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So then she moves in with a childhood friend named Jillian stout and she finally felt more comfortable with these living arrangements.

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And then once she got more settled, she joined a high school equivalency program in order to get her GED.

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And it kind of seemed like things were settling down there.

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And we'll talk about one theory about maybe why help me not to forget this, why she might've wanted to leave then.

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Okay. I don't know when you want to bring this up, but I will try it.

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Yeah. I don't know what I should, maybe I should just say now, so one thing I did here, because it just seems, you know, so like for your parents to be like, okay, you can move out.

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Like, I don't know all this stuff, but anyway, I heard and I read that it came out somewhere and again, there's a lot of rumors with this case, so it's really hard.

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But I read that it came out somewhere that a neighbor, her neighbor that lived in the house, I guess directly next door to the family farm had molested Brianna and that neighbor still lived there.

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So I wonder if that was what made her want to leave the house?

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Well, yeah. I mean that, that is a completely like that.

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The reason, because it seems like your parents wouldn't be like, oh, you just want a little more independence.

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Cause I mean, technically can't you take legal action or I don't know.

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I don't know. I guess maybe you can't, but like, you know, with a 17 year old and she's withdrawing from one school and registering and another, like don't, you have to have parental consent to do some of this stuff.

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Well, I don't know about if it's state to state with that kind of stuff, because consent is different, different ages for like sexual consent and all that kind of stuff.

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So it could be different for different states, but I would think that she would have to be like emancipated from her parents.

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Right. And it seems like they are either just trying to keep the peace or they are.

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I mean, they did not want her to move out necessarily.

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They weren't, her mom 100% was like, I don't think this is a good idea.

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And Brianna was like, well, I'm doing it anyway though.

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But it just seems like you'd would have, I don't know, but I guess a 17 year old, if they have car, they can do whatever they want.

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But I dunno. I feel like we are looking at it from a lens of the way that we grew up and we weren't allowed to do oh shit.

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No we weren't. And we'd so then we didn't, I don't know.

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I don't know what it, what it's like to do something you're not supposed to do.

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Really. Yeah. It never crossed our minds.

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Just do it anyway. We were like, right.

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Wait, you can just do it.

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Yeah. I'm not allowed to do that. So that's off limits, like, yeah.

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So I don't know. I don't know what kind of recourse you'd have as a parent, but it seems like she's moving out, she's getting two jobs.

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I mean, she's living in her damn car for part of the time.

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That has to be terrifying for her parents.

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Well, yeah. And I would think as her parents, like if it was me, I'd be like, wow, you want to be out so badly that you're willing to go to these lengths.

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Yeah. Like what's going on if there's and we're in no way blaming the parents at all.

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No, it just seems like it's an extreme thing.

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Yeah. For some, for being like, well, you know, most kids wanted dependent.

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So she moved out at 17. She had to drop out of high school to move out and she wanted to graduate.

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She was, she was an intelligent girl.

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Like, it seems like there's something else going on.

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So this whole neighbor situation makes a lot of sense for that because, and maybe she didn't feel comfortable talking to her parents about it.

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I don't know. Yeah. And I think with a lot of cases that we cover theirs, we just get as much information as we get.

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So yeah.

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There's stuff that we're going to discuss because we're like, well, we need, I mean, it'd be nice to know that, but we just don't.

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Exactly. Yeah. I was just like everything I read and everything, I listened to everything I watched, I was just like, but we don't really get the reason that she moved out.

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It's just, she wanted independence and that is just so much to go through couch surfing, moving in with other people's families, living in your car, having to drop out of school just because like, oh, well I want a little more independence.

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Right? There's gotta be something else. Go down there for sure.

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Yeah. So let's get into the day of her disappearance on Friday, March 19th, 2004, Brianna woke up early and her mom picked her up to have breakfast.

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Brianna was going to take her GED exam afterwards.

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And then the two we're going to go shopping around 12:00 PM.

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Kelly picked Brianna up from her exam and the two went to a local store to shop.

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Brianna had recently been hired for two part-time jobs.

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One is a dishwasher at the black lantern and another at KJS diner.

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She needed black pants for the job at the diner.

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So they, while they're there shopping, they are standing in line at the checkout counter.

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And Kelly noticed something catch her daughter's eye outside.

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Brianna told her mother that she'd be right back.

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And she walked out of the store and out of her mother's view, Kelly finished painting and met her daughter out in the parking lot at her car.

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She noticed that Brianna's entire demeanor had changed.

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She was agitated and secretive.

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Kelly decided not to ask her what was going on, wanting to respect her privacy again, I don't know what that's like because our mom was all up in this.

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Yeah. And I, I don't want to say I'm going to be like our mom in any way, shape or form, but I think I'm going to be all up in my kid's business.

24:52

Like, well, something's going on here?

24:54

Like, yeah, I guess I want them to feel comfortable talking to me.

24:59

And I'm not saying that, you know, Kelly and Bruce did something that made her not comfortable with it.

25:03

There's some kids that just won't talk to their parents. It's just how it is.

25:05

But I don't know.

25:08

There's a lot of, well, we didn't want to bother her.

25:11

We didn't want to she's 17.

25:13

Like you're the parent.

25:15

You get to do that.

25:17

Yeah, absolutely. And I think of course hindsight looking back, you're like, oh my gosh, what if that could have obtained somethings?

25:25

Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's heartbreaking and there's no right or wrong way to handle any of this, but it is.

25:32

And I think, you know, we're talking about a lot cause we grew up so very differently.

25:36

So it's just kind of like, oh, you know, the in contrast, that's kind of crazy to think about that.

25:41

You could have privacy. Right. And I just, I mean, yeah, I think kids are entitled to their privacy to a reasonable degree, but I think that as parents you're allowed to step in and it almost feels like for whatever reason, Kelly and Bruce kind of were like, I'm not allowed to step in.

25:58

Yeah. And it's like, well, you're not just as friends, her parents.

26:01

Right. I wonder if something like a big blow up happened and there's something that we don't know.

26:07

Yeah. Which is, I mean fine. The car ride back to Jillian's house was quiet.

26:10

Intense Kelly felt that something had happened in the parking lot that ended upset her daughter.

26:14

Once they arrived.

26:16

Brianna gave her mother a hug and exchanged.

26:18

I love yous, Brianna headed inside to get ready for her shift at the black Lander in around 3:30 PM.

26:24

Brianna left her roommate a note saying that she'd be back later that night.

26:27

And then she drove herself to work.

26:29

So it was a very busy night at the black lantern.

26:32

Nin and Brianna was working hard in the back, washing dishes and helping the rest of the staff.

26:37

Kelly and Bruce, her parents were at an establishment, not too far down the, when they were headed home.

26:44

Kelly asked Bruce if they should stop in and see if their daughter was see their daughter on the way home.

26:48

Bruce said that they shouldn't embarrass her in front of her coworkers and the couple headed home.

26:52

And that I understand I do too.

26:55

Yeah. Like, you know, she's in the back.

26:57

It's not like she's a host and you can walk in and be like, Hey, how's your night going or whatever.

27:01

Right. Yeah. To ask for her, bear with me here.

27:05

It reminds me of the hot check.

27:07

Remember the, the mom who was like Lingling and she was like, always up in her business.

27:13

Like you, you didn't come say hi to me.

27:16

And it's like, mom, she was so embarrassed.

27:18

That's

27:18

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27:18

I'm

27:21

imagining. Yeah. Yeah. It, you know, you're like, I just started this job.

27:26

Could you please not be like, Hey, how's your night going?

27:28

I brought my camera, picked her on.

27:32

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11:20 PM. The staff at the black linner clocked out.

30:15

Most of them hung around to socialize and decompress after closing.

30:19

But Brianna said she needed to head out and get some sleep before her next shift.

30:22

The morning after coworkers saw her pulling out of the parking lot and under the road, and this was the last time that Brianna was ever seen.

30:30

Okay. I like everywhere that I read, it said that people, the co-workers were like, do you want to stay and get dinner?

30:39

1120? I know.

30:40

I feel like it's like that meme where it's like, some people want to get started at, at 9:00 PM.

30:44

And it's like, okay, not everyone's on Coke guys.

30:47

Like I can't exactly like 1120.

30:50

You're talking about dinner. I mean, you know, when I used to work at a restaurant, like if you don't dinner shift, you don't have time to eat dinner.

30:57

You have to eat it. Right. And you don't go straight to bed after work.

31:00

Nobody does no. So not in my life now.

31:03

I'm like 1120 that isn't middle of the night.

31:07

Yeah. I'm like a good reasonable time to have dinner probably seven.

31:11

Well, we don't, that could be a little late.

31:15

That could be a little late for me. We got to do it 6, 6 30 or the children will die.

31:21

Yeah. But then when we throw them dinner, they don't want it, but that's that's for another day.

31:25

Okay. So remember at this time she's living with her friend Jillian.

31:30

So, and she had left a note for Jillian saying she'd be home after work that day.

31:34

So Gillian saw the note that Brianna had left for her that night.

31:37

But then she went to spend the weekend away at her grandparents' house.

31:40

I also read that she was going to be with her boyfriend that weekend.

31:42

So sorry. Grandparents' house.

31:44

She got home two days later on Sunday and that's the 21st.

31:49

And the note was still there, untouched, no sign of Brianna anywhere.

31:53

And she just assumed that like she went to stay with her family.

31:57

Right. Like maybe she spent the weekend at her family's house.

31:59

Yeah. I mean, even if you're friends with your roommates, you don't know everything that goes on.

32:02

They don't like, like check in all the time.

32:05

Yeah, yeah. Not true.

32:07

When you and I were roommates, I knew where you were at all times every day, all day.

32:10

That's true.

32:12

But that was different.

32:14

Yeah. Because if, if I went 30, over 30 minutes, I was calling the police that's for damn sure.

32:18

But yeah. It's like, you know, okay.

32:21

See you later, you know? And then sometimes, you know, sometimes you don't come home.

32:24

It's like, oh, Hey, I, I, you know, I ended up here and then I just stayed the night or whatever, like, you know, stuff like that happens.

32:30

So she's just like, doesn't think anything about it.

32:32

She assumed she's with her family on March 23rd without having seen or heard anything from Brianna, Jillian calls, Bruce and Kelly, and is like, Hey, you know, is she at your house?

32:44

Cause you know, I kind of thought she'd be back by now.

32:46

And Kelly's like, no, I thought she was with you.

32:49

Like, okay, now this is worrisome.

32:52

And Jillian's like, well, no, I thought she was with you.

32:57

So they start calling everybody.

33:00

They can think of. And, and this is, I mean, we're getting at five days now.

33:06

I, again, I just, as a parent, you don't talk to your kid for five days and she's 17.

33:13

It's interesting.

33:15

And again, though, I do think, I mean, it could just be a difference in the way people's families operate, because I talked to you multiple times a day.

33:25

If I haven't texted you by a certain time, at least you text me and you're like, either, are you mad at me?

33:32

Or are you in a ditch somewhere?

33:33

And then I talked to Ms.

33:36

KB, at least, at least once a day.

33:38

And sometimes I'm like, oh gosh, you know, I don't have time or it's busy or whatever.

33:43

And then I end up talking his ear off three hours.

33:46

So yeah.

33:47

Well, and I think like for me, I don't talk to him as often, but I'm also, you know, like we're grownups, I don't think it would be weird to not talk to him every single day.

33:58

Yeah. But I do understand. I mean, it's 17, like, yeah.

34:01

She's 17 and she's working two jobs.

34:04

She's living on her own. Like, I don't know.

34:06

I would think we'd, I'd want to talk to her everyday.

34:09

I'm sure they wanted to talk to her everyday again.

34:11

I understand. They're trying to give her her privacy and her space.

34:15

Freedom. Yeah. And her space. But at the same time, I just cannot fathom not, you know, if my kid goes on a, on a weekend, you know, stay a weekend with a family, you know, a friend.

34:26

And I know that he's gonna, you know, be there with their family or whatever.

34:30

Maybe, you know, when they're teenagers, I don't talk to them every single day.

34:34

I would think at that point you've texted her. This was 2004, whatever.

34:36

But I think I'd have some form of communication at least every day, every other day.

34:42

Right. It's just fax them or something.

34:43

I mean, some the page I'm like, it just seems very strange that you'd go five days and be like, have no idea that your 17 year old is missing.

34:52

Right. I don't know. Even though they don't live together, it's just, that's just scary.

34:56

So they start making phone calls and then pretty much immediately.

35:00

I mean, Kelly, like, because people are like, no, you know, she's not here.

35:03

Whatever. So Kelly calls nine 11 reports are missing.

35:05

And she is because she's a minor, she's immediately entered into the NCI, the national crime information center as a missing juvenile.

35:13

So this sends out an alert to all law agencies.

35:17

So at least, I don't know.

35:20

I mean, unfortunately in this case that didn't help anything, but at least it was put in immediately the following day, Wednesday, the 24th.

35:26

So this is officially five days since Brianna was last seen Kelly and Bruce make more phone calls.

35:31

They drive around the area looking for anything that might indicate where Brianna is.

35:36

And Kelly wondered maybe if Brianna could have run away to go see her aunt whose name was Tammy Fisher.

35:43

And she lived in Pittsburgh and they were super, super close.

35:45

But when Kelly called Tammy to see a Brianna had called or ended up there, Tammy had no idea.

35:53

So that it's like at every turn, you know, they're just like their hearts are sinking further and further.

35:58

It's so sad. The possibility though, of Brianna having runaway seem pretty crazy.

36:03

I mean, I guess if you look at it on paper, it's like she withdrew from school and she moved out of her house.

36:08

Of course she ran away, but that's not actually Brianna.

36:11

Like, it's not like, you know, I'm just slowly making steps of stopping any forward progress in my life.

36:20

Like, you know, she was very, very responsible still.

36:25

She was taking that GED program, you know, she was working two jobs to try and make ends meet like all these things.

36:32

She was still a really responsible kid.

36:34

Again, something happened where she moved out, something happened, but she also wanted to get out of rural Vermont.

36:42

There must be more than this provincial life.

36:46

Is there life out there?

36:48

Oh yeah. She just reminds me so much of bell in this particular scenario, but she wanted to like, you know, go to the big city.

36:57

And so, you know, her friends were like, that's a possibility, you know, maybe she would have wanted to, you know, just get out of here finally or whatever.

37:04

But then they were like, no, that's not bringing it either.

37:07

She would not leave without telling her family.

37:09

So again, we don't have a situation of a 17 year old, just straight quote runaway who still matter very much.

37:16

But I know a lot of times law enforcement agencies will be like, oh, well, you know, they're just a runaway, whatever.

37:21

They're not allowed to run away they don't get to go find them.

37:26

But she was still in contact with her family all the time.

37:30

They had just seen each other that day.

37:32

She would have absolutely let friends or family know if she was going somewhere else.

37:37

She, her parents knew at least where she was living, you know, and things like that.

37:41

So it was not like, see you when I see you kind of thing at all.

37:45

So for friends and family, they're thinking, no, this is there's no way on Thursday, March 25th, Kelly and Bruce went to the nearest Vermont state police station in St.

37:57

Albans. They showed police photos of Brianna and her green Oldsmobile that she'd been seen last driving this green Oldsmobile.

38:04

It's I mean, this is 2004, but it's not, it's distinctive.

38:08

It's very distinctive.

38:11

It's like all live green with one of those, not cloth, but one of those like kind of covers on the top granddaddy had one, but it wasn't an Oldsmobile and it wasn't green.

38:20

But yeah, I remember it distinctly, but yeah, you would know it when you saw it's an older car.

38:25

I mean, you know, it was an 85 and at that time the body style was completely different.

38:29

I mean, this car is a hos, so they show the picture of this car to the police.

38:37

And an officer shows them a picture that had been of a car that had been found off route one, 18, just a mile or two down from the black lantern.

38:46

And as soon as her parents see it, they're like, oh my God, this is Brianna's car.

38:50

That has to like, your stomach has to fall directly out of your butt because this car is well, first of all, just seeing that the car is abandoned would be very, very concerning, right?

39:04

Cause now it's six days in, but the way that the car was found is bizarre.

39:10

It's this little house farmhouse kind of thing.

39:15

And the car looks like it's backed into it.

39:19

I mean, the car is, I mean, it's backed into the house.

39:22

And part of the house kind of collapsed on top of the car.

39:25

There's no damage to the car really, but the house was kind of like an old kind of dilapidated house or whatever.

39:32

And the car is not just like backed up to it is backed up into it.

39:37

There was a, a wreck of small sorts, even, you know, it didn't necessarily have to be like a huge crash, but it's pretty bizarre.

39:48

I mean, if you see that, you're like, what the fuck happened?

39:53

What could have happened on Saturday, March 20th, the day after Brianna was last seen leaving work, a state trooper had been dispatched to an abandoned vehicle off the road on route two 18.

40:04

And when he got there, he found the green Oldsmobile and it was backed into that abandoned farmhouse that we mentioned.

40:11

And it's called like around that area.

40:13

People just referred to it as the Dutch burn house.

40:15

And again, a mile mile and a half from the black lantern in.

40:19

And the thing is though the state trooper finds his fucking car, backed into a house with part of the house, collapsed on top of it in a significant hole in the house.

40:31

And he's like, whatever, probably everything's fine.

40:35

He just figured it was a DUI situation where the person didn't want to get in trouble.

40:39

So they left.

40:41

Okay. So he looks inside.

40:43

There are there's two unopened paychecks to Brianna, like addressed to her from the black lantern in.

40:52

So he has a clue write that on your handy dandy notebook.

40:56

And, but he also finds just like a bunch of other personal effects.

41:00

There's apparently a lot of trash in this car too.

41:03

And again, we know that she lived out of this car from time to time too.

41:08

So there's a lot of stuff in there, but again, he just took down the license plate, drove down the road to the black lantern in, it was closed at the time.

41:16

And then he was like, well, I did everything I could.

41:19

So he had it towed.

41:21

He doesn't take any pictures.

41:23

He doesn't no, no pictures, nothing.

41:25

Bruce and Kelly were fucking pissed.

41:28

They were like, why would you not have notified us sooner?

41:31

Because the car was registered to Bruce and Kelly.

41:34

So why would they not have been notified that their car was found backed into a building, right.

41:42

You know, they don't call them or anything like that.

41:44

And it's, you know, the driver is assumed to be Brianna who's under age because all of her stuff is in the car.

41:53

So like, again, why are we not making any phone calls?

41:55

Their son Waylon found her car at a local shop.

41:58

So Bruce goes down there and the trunk had not been opened.

42:01

And you know, the keys weren't in the vehicle.

42:04

They didn't have a way to open the trunk. It was just towed the way it was.

42:07

And he got a crowbar out and open the trunk and he was terrified.

42:11

He was going to find his daughter's body in the back of that car.

42:14

And I can not imagine that feeling. And thankfully she wasn't there, but just, it's just so heartbreaking.

42:21

But they were like, you know, it's weird because her contacts were left in the car.

42:27

Her migraine medications were left in the car.

42:29

And these are two things that everybody said she wouldn't have left without, because she needed to see.

42:34

And also apparently she had frequent enough migraines that she needed to keep that with her.

42:40

So they're like, okay, she wouldn't have left those things.

42:43

And they started to think that, you know, maybe she was a victim of foul play.

42:51

And they said that she wouldn't have been easy to contain because remember she is well well-versed in jujitsu.

42:57

And they were like, she was a fighter.

42:58

She would have been very difficult to abduct.

43:00

There would have been a struggle, right?

43:03

Because she would fight on Friday, March 26th.

43:06

Everybody at this point is searching for Brianna.

43:08

The Maitland's house was the hub.

43:10

They have police, volunteers, media all over the place.

43:13

They were distributing flyers.

43:14

Bruce is going down to the black lane or to talk to everybody to get as much information as he can.

43:19

Police deploy search dogs in the area surrounding the car.

43:23

They did not find anything on March 30th.

43:26

Police examined Brianna's car for evidence and collected DNA and fingerprints.

43:31

Back at the Maitland's farm though, the Maitlands are getting tons of phone calls.

43:35

Mostly rumors are creepy people with nothing better to do than harass family members of somebody who's gone missing by it's beyond comprehension.

43:45

Why people are like great.

43:47

Somebody went missing. Let me torture their family.

43:49

That's cruel. Yes, no, it's so awful.

43:52

And I think it's funny.

43:53

I just don't. I do not understand it, but they did get one phone call.

43:58

That was interesting.

44:00

Somebody called from Maura Murray's family.

44:04

And I know you guys know who Maura Murray is because we get that requested a shit ton.

44:09

But if you don't know, she disappeared when she was 21 years old in New Hampshire.

44:13

And this is about 90 miles from Brianna.

44:15

There are some similarities in their cases that Mara's car had been found abandoned along the side of the road.

44:22

And this was five weeks before Brianna's disappearance.

44:25

So it's pretty, you know, I mean, and that's not that far, like, you know, it's not 2000 miles.

44:32

Well, all those little new England states they're just like jammed all in there.

44:35

So they really are. And I mean, this is something that Henry Lee Lucas could have.

44:40

He could have done both of these in the same, within the hour and then right.

44:44

And then been to space and back he's he travels at the speed of light.

44:48

So it really does. So it was nothing for him, but Maura's family were wondering if maybe the two disappearances were connected.

44:54

Maybe there was a serial killer who was preying on women who had car trouble or, you know, something like that.

44:59

Like, you know, something going on two weeks after Brianna was last, seen the class kids foundation came to Vermont to aid in the search.

45:06

And was that on a mixed tape?

45:10

Yes. Okay. So we covered on our murder mixtape on the Patrion, the abduction and murder of poly class.

45:17

So if you heard that, you're going to recognize the class kids foundation, her father, mark class founded this and she had been abducted and murdered in 1993.

45:26

When she was 12 years old from a fucking slumber party, nobody is safe.

45:31

It is scary, but they have also conducted like hundreds of searches for missing people.

45:37

They've trained over 1600 professional search and rescue volunteers.

45:40

And so they brought more than 500 volunteers to help canvas areas within a five mile radius of where Brianna's car was found.

45:47

But unfortunately they did not find anything so sad.

45:51

So let's talk about any clues, anything of substance.

45:56

What do we do here though?

45:59

Police in the Maitlands were coming up empty handed in their searches.

46:02

The widespread publicity was paying off witnesses have come forward saying that they'd seen Brianna's car the night that she disappeared, a man driving down route one 18, remembered seeing the vehicle backed into the Dutch burn house sometime between 11:30 PM and 12:30 AM.

46:18

He believed the headlights were on and another driver saw her vehicle in the same spot between 12:00 PM and 12:30 AM.

46:25

Or I guess it's 12:00 AM to 12:30 AM with a turn signal possibly flashing later that morning around 2:30 AM Brianna's ex-boyfriend James.

46:33

Oh, no idea.

46:36

How to say that name rope. A tail short, who was returning from a party, drove by the Dutch burn house and saw our car, recognizing the vehicle he pulled over.

46:45

There are two different accounts of what James did that night.

46:48

One says that he continued on by the vehicle recognizing it, but not stopping.

46:52

Another said that he found the headlights on in both the driver's side and passenger side doors open.

46:58

James turned off the lights, shut the doors and continued on James.

47:02

His story has varied a bit since he was a middle lead drunk the night, and he didn't want to get into any trouble.

47:08

And even later in the morning, a group of hitchhikers down from route one 18 Sabri and his vehicle and were curious.

47:14

So they pulled over and they took photos.

47:17

They found the situ hitchhikers.

47:18

What did I say? Oh, hitchhikers, I'm sorry.

47:20

I mean, you know, nothing wrong with either, but just, yeah, it was a group of hikers, excuse me.

47:26

And they found the vehicle.

47:27

They found it to be very curious.

47:30

So they were taking pictures and they said, I'll lose change a water bottle in a broken necklace on the ground nearby.

47:38

That was later determined to be Briana's.

47:39

Luckily these hikers not hitchhikers took photos because they ended up being some of the only photos taken of the crime scene.

47:47

Perfect. I was hoping there would be no pictures taken of the crime scene.

47:50

Right? Thank you, detectives.

47:52

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47:52

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47:52

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47:55

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49:16

Again, they found nothing.

49:18

I mean, it's like so many things they've like so many searches and just absolutely nothing is turning up.

49:25

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So in late February, about three weeks prior to Brianna's disappearance, she was involved in an altercation at a party.

49:38

This I'm sorry, I'm just going to say this bitch.

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Keely.

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She's

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a

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bitch. Kuli lacrosse. And Brianna had been good friends in high school and there were six girls in their friend group.

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They were basically like always together.

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Keeley and Brianna were often interested in the same guys.

49:53

It sounds like they probably would like, you know, one of them would like date somebody and then later the other one would date that same person.

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And it, I don't know.

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It just seemed like it was kind of how it is.

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There's not as many boys in school.

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I feel like as there are girls.

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And so you're going to cross over some boyfriend, girlfriend situations.

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But while Kelly was out of town, one week, she found out that Brianna had stayed at Kelly's boyfriend's house that weekend.

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This is James Robitaille or whatever.

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James ended up admitting that he had cheated on Kelly with Brianna.

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And even though they'd been close for a Brianna by this point had grown slightly distant, distant from the girls because she wasn't attending school with them anymore.

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And that, I mean, that'll do it.

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So out of sight, out of mind, right?

50:38

Yeah. After returning to Vermont, Kelly saw Brianna and James's car and this really made her angry.

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She was yelling at them as they drove off.

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And then a few days later, Brianna shows up to a party with James Kelly was there and she was absolutely livid that they had gone there together.

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So she spends the night bothering the shit out of Brianna, just antagonizing her instigating stuff.

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And Brianna wasn't biting.

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She was just like, no, I'm not going to acknowledge this.

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And when she finally had enough and went out to James's car, like she just went out there to sit Kelly couldn't take it.

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So she goes out there, knocks on the window, Brianna rolls it down.

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And Kaylee just punches her twice in the head.

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And she's yelling at her.

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She's asking if she was going to come out and fight, you know?

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She's like, what are you going to come? Are you going to fight me? And I'm like, thinking if Brianna did get out and fight you, your ass would be handed to you.

51:34

Right? Exactly. And she sucker punched her.

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She sucker punched her. Yeah. So Brianna just sat there.

51:40

She had her head down, she was crying. Finally, James came out.

51:43

I have some feelings about James in this situation.

51:45

Like if somebody is following, I guess your girlfriend at this point around and yelling at her and threatening her, do you think you guys could maybe leave the party together instead of like letting her go like, okay, I'll see you later, babe.

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I'm going to shotgun some beers. Right?

52:03

Cool. I'm not done partying. Yeah, exactly.

52:04

So he finally comes out, Kelly walks away.

52:07

Brianna was taken to the hospital.

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She had a broken nose, black eyes and a concussion and her friends.

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And I think Kelly, her mom encouraged her to file a police report.

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And initially she wasn't going to, and I mean, that's the thing about Brianna.

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She didn't want anybody to be mad at her, so she didn't want to file a police report.

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And that's why she didn't want to get out and fight Keely.

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Cause she didn't want to just, she just didn't want people to not like her.

52:30

She was just so like, I don't know.

52:35

She was a very kind person, but she ends up falling in this police report.

52:39

So I read that Kelly was going to be prosecuted for this altercation because she was charged.

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But then Brianna goes missing.

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And

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so

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on

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April

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9th,

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the

52:52

assault

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complaint

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against

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Keeley

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was

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dropped

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despite

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Brianna's

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parents'

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objections. And Kelly ended up being one of the seven people that were subpoenaed to testify about Brianna's disappearance.

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Kelly was very cooperative with police and was questioned multiple times.

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And police have pretty much cleared her.

53:12

They don't think she had anything to do with Brianna's disappearance.

53:14

Kelly has gone on to get into more trouble.

53:18

She's she like BR broke into a house, I think with some friends and bit the homeowner.

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She's

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not

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a

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girl

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making

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good

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decisions. That's for sure. But the police don't think she had anything to do with the disappearance.

53:32

And you know, anytime there's like a court date pending and then the, you know, the person goes missing or whatever.

53:37

It's like, well, duh, this person did something to them.

53:40

Right. It does.

53:41

Based on the police, it does seem like for Keely, this may have just been a lucky break for her and that's how she treated it.

53:52

Keely never looked at things as like, oh my God, you know what?

53:55

Like we had some beef but that's really sad.

53:57

Like we were friends and she went missing.

53:58

She was just smug as hell.

54:00

Like, well, I don't have to worry about that anymore.

54:02

Oh, Kelly's not somebody that I would want to maybe be friends with based on what I'm hearing.

54:08

It doesn't sound like it.

54:10

No. So let's talk about some theories.

54:12

At the time of Brianna's disappearance, there was a drug epidemic in Vermont.

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Crack cocaine was particularly popular.

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There were plenty of teenagers who didn't have anything to do.

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Other than try drugs. There was more than one drug ring active in the area.

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However, one that stood out to the police was run by Ramon Ryan's, AKA street and Nathaniel Jackson, AKA lo the two were from New York and came to Vermont, specifically to traffic and distribute drugs.

54:38

There were rumors that Brianna was involved with drugs, and initially it appeared to be casual usage.

54:43

However, it soon came to light that Brenda was a bit deeper into drug use than initially believed her friend.

54:48

Shauna said that Brianna had told her that she'd used crack cocaine and marijuana at parties.

54:53

Greg a private investigator hired by the Maitlands, said that he was able to place Brianna and Ryans with Brian's and Jackson, many times some in one-on-one situations, four weeks after her disappearance, the Maitlands received an anonymous phone call saying that Brianna was being held against her will in a farmhouse on reservoir road in Berkshire, which was about 10 miles from our car was found.

55:16

Bruce told police that either they needed to execute a search at the farmhouse or else, he would gather a group of friends and he would do it himself.

55:24

Bruce wasn't playing around.

55:26

No, no, no, I don't. I don't blame him at all.

55:28

You hear that? And you're like, I'm fucking going.

55:30

Yeah. Fremont state police went to the residents to find that it belonged to Ryan's and Jackson both denied knowing where Brianna was.

55:36

The two other teenagers in the home also denied any knowledge about her Ryan and Jackson allowed police to search their home.

55:45

They found nothing that tied them into Brianna.

55:47

However, they found guns and drug paraphernalia.

55:48

The four were arrested on drug charges, but after their arraignments Jackson left Vermont and moved to the Carolinas where he was eventually arrested, arrested again on drug charges.

56:00

Ryan's moved in with JIA Collins.

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A few months later, Collins was reported missing by Ryan's and her remains were found shortly after.

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Does

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that

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sound

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good? No, it does not. I mean, and it's, it's horrific for JIA Collins and her family, but you know, in connection to this case as well.

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Yeah, it doesn't sound good.

56:22

A woman was arrested after she admitted to murdering Collins after robbing her during a drug deal Ryan's was never convicted of any involvement, both Brians and Jackson continued to saying that they knew of Brianna, but they didn't know her very well over Acker said that this was complete bullshit.

56:36

And there were several witnesses who said, otherwise is over accurate saying, this is bullshit because she was like, if they're drug dealers and maybe she was getting drugs from them, like maybe she did meet with them several times to buy drugs.

56:57

But that doesn't mean, you know, somebody super well.

57:00

Right? Yeah. I really don't know.

57:02

I mean, if I've learned anything from pineapple express it's he was Seth Rogan just trying to get his weed and get out of there, James Franco's and having it, he wants to be best friends to be best friends.

57:14

So it's like, I feel like that's not the normal situation, but I mean, I don't know, again, there's just, there's a lot of stuff that they keep close and stuff like that.

57:21

But I wonder if they kind of can both be true, like yeah, I knew of her.

57:26

Yeah. I'd met her several times, but she bought drugs off me.

57:29

Right. And yeah, maybe we were at parties at the same time or whatever, but it wasn't like we talked on the phone every day and you know, yeah.

57:38

I don't know exactly.

57:40

I have no idea.

57:41

One theory is that Brianna owed someone money for drugs.

57:45

Police strongly believe this.

57:47

And the newspaper even printed an article stating that her disappearance was the result of drug debt, despite there not being any proof of this.

57:53

That's cool. Perfect. That's irresponsible journalism.

57:56

They eventually published a retraction and apologize to the Maitland's.

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There are many people who believe that Brianna's disappearance may have been the result of a group trying to scare her because she owed the money.

58:06

It was theorized that she met them out by the Dutch burn house after work and their plan went wrong ending in her death, inadvertently it wasn't out of the ordinary in Vermont for teens to meet and fields drink and do drugs.

58:17

So meeting near the Dutch burn house was a plausible theory.

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I

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don't

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know

58:21

about

58:21

that

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either. That house is so visible on the road.

58:30

Yeah. And how many witnesses drove by that night and saw her, just her car there.

58:34

They would have mentioned if there were three cars there in 12 people standing outside.

58:38

Right. It doesn't sound like it was a field party, which right.

58:42

Yeah. I don't know. I mean, maybe she stopped there to meet with somebody.

58:45

I also don't know about the whole like drug money thing, because again, I don't know how it works, but how much money is this?

58:55

Like she, you know, told somebody, Hey, I need weed and I'll spot you next time or whatever.

59:03

And then they're like, well, she owes me 50 fucking dollars.

59:06

So down she goes, yeah, like doesn't, doesn't need to be a significant amount of money, but I've also heard police say, I mean, I know that people are killed for, for drug debts and stuff like that.

59:16

But also when you kill the person, you can't collect your debt.

59:19

Right. And I hear police that so many times.

59:21

So it's like, I don't know.

59:24

Yeah. I don't know.

59:26

In the middle of June, 2004 police said that they'd ruled out any connection between Brianna's disappearance and Maura Murray, despite this, some people believe that the two disappearances could be the result of a serial killer.

59:36

I don't. But that's what, I don't think that they're connected at all.

59:42

Yeah. I mean, they are similar, there are parallels, but I don't think that there's, they're connected either.

59:48

Yeah. I don't think they're, I don't think they're connected.

59:51

Yeah. They are kind of similar. Just the Dutch burn house being so visible and so many people driving by and like seeing her car.

1:00:00

It just seems weird that I don't know.

1:00:04

Yeah. I don't know.

1:00:06

Okay. So we, we have a sighting to talk about on January 17th, 2006, the Vermont business owner was at a black Jack table in Caesar's casino, in Atlantic city, New Jersey.

1:00:18

When he spotted a female who he thought looked exactly like Brianna, she was with a bald middle aged white male.

1:00:23

The man did not approach the woman that he saw, but he did contact law enforcement police, retrieved surveillance, video from the casino to show her family.

1:00:32

And within five minutes of watching the video, Whalen was like, no, this is not my sister.

1:00:37

Her parents were hesitant and likely biased as I'm sure.

1:00:41

You know, they hoped it was her.

1:00:43

But eventually after pausing the video and seeing the woman at a certain angle, Kelly was like, no, this is not my daughter.

1:00:50

And this woman has never been identified.

1:00:52

Nobody's ever come forward and been like, oh, Hey, it was me like, sorry.

1:00:54

You know, whatever didn't mean to look like her, I guess.

1:00:57

I don't know what you'd say. Sorry for, but sorry to the family.

1:01:01

Yeah. Like, sorry, but it's me.

1:01:02

But the family was pretty like, you know, and you know, they're desperate to find her.

1:01:07

Right. So the likelihood is normally that people will see something that's not there, but they were disliked, man.

1:01:12

It's not her, you know, it's just not hard.

1:01:14

It's a bummer. Yeah. Yeah.

1:01:15

We've got more theories though, because that's all we have in this case.

1:01:18

Again, I'm so sorry. Dorie, Greg over ACRA said that he was told by somebody that the day that Brianna disappeared she'd been threatened in the parking lot.

1:01:26

So remember when Brianna went shopping with her mom and Brianna leaves the store.

1:01:29

And then when her mom comes out, she's like just in a whole different mood over Acker said that he was told that Brianna saw somebody, she recognized outside, she went to talk to them and they told her that she shouldn't go to work that night.

1:01:41

The source of that, the person who told this is secondhand information.

1:01:46

So the person that gives us information to overact her says that the person who told them this is the person who actually talked to Brianna.

1:01:53

Right. But that's like, well, he said, she said, he said, it's like, it's kind of like a fart in the wind.

1:01:59

You know what I mean? Like it doesn't hold anything it's never been confirmed.

1:02:02

I mean, I don't know the creators of the podcast missing Maura Murray have at least 20 episodes where they dig deep into Brianna's disappearance.

1:02:11

And that's what we talked about in the beginning, missing Brianna Maitland.

1:02:14

During this, they interview several of her friends, Katie Manning, and Megan Jefferson were close friends of Brianna's in high school.

1:02:21

And they remembered how friendly she was and that she was, you know, a great person in their interviews.

1:02:27

They both said that they believed that there are between two to four people who still live in the area who know exactly what happened to Brianna.

1:02:33

They alluded to the fact that they believe that Brianna's death was an accidental overdose.

1:02:38

And the people who were there with her rather than calling 9 1 1, or, you know, they don't want to get in trouble because they're also using drugs and doing stuff they're not supposed to be doing.

1:02:47

They let her die disposed of her body and covered up her death.

1:02:51

The girls don't name, the people they believe were involved, but they do mention that they were close to at least one of the people before this happened.

1:02:58

And just after Brianna's disappearance, Katie said that the police were told about these rumors and even drained a manure pit at the house of one of the guys, but they didn't find anything.

1:03:08

That sounds like a horrific job to drain him in Europe.

1:03:12

It in another article, Kelly lacrosse said that after Brianna's disappearance, they came to her boyfriend's house to drag his in your pit.

1:03:19

So the man's name isn't reported, but this, you know, is corroborated by a couple of people.

1:03:25

It's clear that it was someone who was involved with, you know, the circle of friends in Megan's interview.

1:03:31

She said that it's possible that the people were scared when Brianna overdosed, since she was only 17 years old and they were all over the age of 18, she says, these people still live in Enosburg.

1:03:40

And Katie said she still runs into them.

1:03:43

Occasionally, I feel that this is one of those situations where, you know, four people can keep secret if three of them are dead, but it's been 17 years.

1:03:54

I just, I can't believe that somebody hasn't, you know, needed to relieve their conscience by now, or just been like, I see what the family is going through.

1:04:04

Like I need to, you know?

1:04:06

Yeah. And I do feel like, I mean, obviously I can understand being scared of getting caught or busted for drugs, but you're going to be in so much more trouble if you dispose of a body.

1:04:18

Yeah, exactly.

1:04:20

And how do you live with yourself?

1:04:22

Like I just don't get it. Right.

1:04:25

Yeah. And I know that, you know, young people don't make the best decisions, but, and I know this has been known to happen, but I don't know.

1:04:33

I wish there were, maybe there is a case study of like how many times this actually happened and how long people went before.

1:04:39

They said something to somebody. Yeah, because I just have a hard time thinking that nobody's said anything, but right now, in 2007, a Vermont newspaper published a story that a local police officer gave a sworn statement that a local woman told him that Brianna was murdered and dismembered by several people, including Ramon Ryans, police were never able to substantiate any of this information as to why Brianna's car was backed into the Dutch barn house.

1:05:05

There are a few theories, something that she was meeting someone there and then she was attacked and we'll try and defend off her attacker.

1:05:12

She inadvertently reversed into the building.

1:05:14

Others believe that Brianna had multiple attackers at the scene and that after getting her into another car, someone tried to take her vehicle with them, but accidentally reversed it into the farmhouse.

1:05:25

I also heard a theory that somebody was waiting in the back of her car, an urban legend style popped up at the right moment to like attack her abductor after terrifying, after she'd driven away from work for a little while, you know what?

1:05:43

I don't want to put something out there. That's not meant to be put out there.

1:05:46

I know Kelly has all but been cleared.

1:05:48

She had, I had motive.

1:05:50

She did have motive.

1:05:52

It's such convenient timing for her.

1:05:56

Yeah. And as mug as she was about like, oh, well she's gone now.

1:05:58

So no, no criminal charges.

1:06:02

Yeah. And I mean, it's not like she was avoiding a murder charge by getting rid of her or anything.

1:06:06

You know, it's probably a pretty small charge, but I don't know.

1:06:11

Well, I mean, if we're going to go the route of younger kids make mistakes.

1:06:17

Exactly. Exactly. I mean, what did we talk about on true crime rewind last night, somebody literally killed a woman because he thought that his boyfriend who they're both gay was with a woman that night.

1:06:31

And they were literally like, just talking because she was straight, he was gay, nothing there.

1:06:37

And just, he saw them talking and killed her over it.

1:06:39

I mean, there was absolutely nothing.

1:06:42

That's such an overreaction.

1:06:43

I just can't even, I can't even state what an overreaction that is like, right.

1:06:48

People do we'll do it. Yeah. People do it.

1:06:51

You know, there are times of they're like, oh, well this person only had $50 on them because somebody has killed for $50.

1:06:55

I guarantee you. I literally think about that kind of stuff whenever.

1:06:59

Cause I sometimes we'll have like some cash on me and it'll just be in my car and I'm like, I better put this up because somebody will break into this car for a $2 bill.

1:07:06

You know what I mean? Like you just cannot put it past people.

1:07:09

I know that being said, we don't know what happened.

1:07:12

Obviously. That's what we're talking about. But you just, yeah, it really is.

1:07:16

It's, it's a very strange case.

1:07:19

I mean, especially adding the carving backed in the building, just adds another layer of like what the fuck happened.

1:07:25

You know? Like there's so many things that, I mean, it literally, like I also wonder did something happen where like she pulled over for some reason into that, you know, to that house or whatever.

1:07:37

Yeah. And she was getting ready to leave.

1:07:38

And for whatever reason, you know, maybe she'd been in park and accidentally like put her car in reverse instead of drive gassed it and then backed into the car.

1:07:46

And then somebody saw her there and you know, she accepted a ride from somebody in that went wrong.

1:07:51

Like, you know, there could be a lot of reasons like her car backing into that house could be part of the altercation or attack or whatever.

1:08:00

And it also could not be like, we just don't know.

1:08:03

I feel like, you know, there's so many like movies that you see, your cases that we cover.

1:08:07

And it's like, here's all the evidence.

1:08:09

And you're like, how the fuck does this all go together?

1:08:11

And then when you see that like, oh, well actually she tripped and fell on her way inside the, and that's why there was blood here.

1:08:16

And then, you know, blah, blah, blah. It's like, I don't know.

1:08:18

You just never know what the sequence of events is going to be.

1:08:22

And like sometimes crazy shit just happens.

1:08:25

You never know.

1:08:27

But yeah, there are rumors that there is evidence that was possibly found in Brianna's car that has not been released to the public.

1:08:35

Unfortunately, there hasn't been much public movement in her disappearance.

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We're sisters who are obsessed with True Crime and love Gal Palin with you about cases. You can expect the occasional curse word, lots of friends quotes, and all the nineties nostalgia. To get in on the conversation, check us out at killer queen's podcast dot com. You can also find us on Instagram and Facebook at Killer Queen's podcast, and we're on YouTube at Killer Queen's at True Crime Podcast. Okay. Y'all grab your Capri signs or your Y'all grab your resigns or your surge, and let's talk about some true crime. Hittards? Always the same hump. I was actually gonna say, I haven't done Hey Dude's in a while. I have been -- -- you totally have. 19th time you said you tried something different, but that was the only time that you veered from the Dude's. It probably didn't go well. Am I trying something different? Probably not. It probably sounded real stupid and we were probably all just Let's not do that again. See, I remember that. Right. Just how crazy it is. In other news, I'm a little boy girl now. Oh, Yeah. Mhmm. Have you tried the beach plumb wave waiver? Oh, no. I have not. I think I've only tried Gosh, I really think I've only tried grapefruit, and I hated its entire being. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Gross. I don't like any of them, but I tried Beach Plumb. girl. You got to get gotta get it. Does it have more of flavor? It does. It has flavor and it's honestly like I bought some at the grocery store, and it's the thing that, like, I've been looking forward to. Boom. Like a red wine. Yeah. Like I know it's you gotta try I can never really I know. It's you gotta try it. It's really kind of a hidden gym, if you will. Good to know. Yeah. So alright. Alright. Well, shall we get more towards the story? Yeah, I think so. Do you wanna talk about the Patreon? I think we should I also think that we should talk about the new green room thing. Yes. I got a couple little things to mention to you. First and foremost, We have a Patreon. We do. You know what? Instead of just talking about the Patreon, though, I wanna back up and I wanna talk about our email list. Hmm. Y'all have got to get on this email Y'all have got to get on this email list. So our friend Megan is a whiz Maitland she's helping us with our emails. And she is amazing. But she is including a weekly dose of ninetieth flashbacks in every single one. You gotta get on it. It's just a joy to read them honestly because obviously I know what's gonna come out. I know what's the happening on killer queens, but I just enjoy reading them. So I know they're so good, and we've gotten so many, like, replies back that are, like, I never read emails that I get but I make sure I read these every week. They're so good. They do also I brought it up here because they do also include, like, every week, she tells you what we cover that week. So that way, you can see, like, you know, if there is AAA case on the Patreon that, you you know, maybe you've requested a case and ends up going on the Patreon or maybe there's a case you're interested in. You're like, oh, I would like to, you know, hear their take on it or whatever. You can see all that in the emails as well. Mhmm. So definitely check that out. You can join the list if you go to killer dot link slash join. Perfect. So I think since that's out of the way, Mhmm. Let's get into the Patreon. Yes. So then the Patreon is where we do extra shows. Mhmm. Eat it. Two extra shows per week if you're going at the ten dollar level. I know you get a doc jam, which is our we cover an entire docu series. So every episode weekly comes out That's on Fridays. Then you also get a murder of mix tape, which is just an extra full episode on Wednesdays. Yeah. I mean And everything is ad free. Oh, yeah. Totally ad free. Every single episode. So you get these regular releases ad free? Mhmm. I mean, come on. And then and then and then We are doing a show on the new app called Spotify Green Room. I was really wondering where you were going with that because that was drawn out it was drawn out. I yeah. I tried I tried something. It wasn't working. See, then that's how you know. And you try it, and then you know. But Yeah. So we're doing an extra show week there, and it's a live audio show. So you can get in the chat, we can chat back and forth with you, we can actually have you speak and speak with us. The app is going through some updates. So hopefully, that feature will be worked out really well for us, but it's really cool. We got to talk to Steve. Mhmm. We sure did. Yeah. And we hope to talk to more people. So we alternate covering cases from date line cold case files and SinoEbel. So, like, it kinda rotates in that order. And again, if you wanna know, like, which case is coming up, you wanna follow us on Green Room. If you wanna follow us, you'll get notified when we go live. It's Tuesdays at eight PM central, but you have to actually search for my name, so that's Terrella Slim. You can't search by True Crime Rewind. I'm not really sure why. But search for my name, follow. When we go live, you'll be notified. It's Tuesdays at eight PM central. And if you join the email list again, you can there will be links directly to our profile there. We've got instructions on our Instagram highlight, like, story highlight, how to join, and there's all kinds of up there. Yeah. And if you are looking for other things to do on this, there's basically a murder block party on Spotify Green Room. So it starts at seven PM central and at ten PM central. And it's three shows back to back that are just chock full of murder cases. So Yes. I mean, they really got it. They really got it going on. Mhmm. Oh, yeah. It's amazing. Yep. It really is. Super fun. Alright. Okay. So let's get into the So let's get into the case. Let's get into the case. Alright. This one is obviously you've clicked on it, the disappearance of Brianna Maitland. Please everybody say a purratory. This is an untapped case. One Life is one prayer. Yeah. Exactly. We've had some discussions, Terrell and I. There have been a lot of them and it's hurting my heart. Mhmm. And I, you know, I'm getting through it day by day. Sure. Hi, Dave. Hi. Hi, Jay. Hey, man. It's tough though. So anyway, let's just do it so I can get real pissed because I want to know where these people are and who done it. Yep. Who done it. That's that's what we wanna know. So this case was I don't see who recommended it or They requested it. So I don't So I don't know I don't know if we had a lot of requests for it or not, but If you did request it, thank you, and we just don't have it written down. But Madison did write this one for us. So, hey, girl things. Yes. And if you wanted to watch something on it, I don't know, Charles, did you watch the disappeared season? I did actually a long time ago. Okay. Yeah. So it disappeared season four episode eleven. It's called Vanish and Vermont. And you can find that on Amazon Prime Video with an add on or you could pay for it. So Mhmm. And there is a full podcast like series about this case. So a lot of information out there. Obviously, we're condensing it into a one hour show. But it's called missing Maitland, and it's by crawl space, like, their media group, I guess. So it's very very detailed if you want more information there. I did also see that trace evidence has an episode on it. He does a really, really great job. Steven Pacheco, think is his name. We talked about him before. He's always super super thorough. His stuff is also available on YouTube, and then True Crime Garage did a two parter on it, so lots of options out there. Yes, absolutely. So let's get into it. On Friday, March nineteenth two thousand four, Seventeen year old Maitland clocked out of her job at the BlackLine earn in in Montgomery Vermont at eleven twenty PM. She told her coworkers that she needed to go home, get some sleep before starting her second job, which was a part time job the next morning. And Brianna was never seen again. In the early morning hours of the following day, her vehicle was found off the road and backed into a nearby abandoned farmhouse. Her keys were gone, but her migraine medication in contacts were still inside. Seventeen years later, Brianna is still missing. Initially thought to possibly be a runaway, it soon became clear that Brianna was the victim of foul play. Was it drug related or was branded the victim of an accident that was covered up by friends who were too scared to admit their involvement? We don't know, but let's talk about further. Yep. We just don't know. Let's get into who Brianna was or possibly is. We don't know. Brianna Alexander Maitland was born on October eighth nineteen eighty six in Burlington Vermont to Bruce and Kelly Maitland. The couple was young at that time around twenty five years old when she was born. She lived with her families to her parents and she had an older brother, Whelan, in Franklin Vermont they lived on a farm. So they lived without a lot of modern appliances that we would think to live with? They didn't have a microwave or a TV. I'm like, okay, I can kinda get that. They didn't have a stove either. That's kinda crazy. I know. That's a lot. But Brianna I mean, she was totally fine without all that stuff. And probably like, you know, it's all shaver new, so -- Mhmm. -- I didn't know you needed a microwave. But her friends kind of thought of her as a little bit of a hippie. And they said that when they first visited and found out that she cooked popcorn on a wood stove, they were totally shocked. And again, she's just like, we'll have wait. How else do you cook it? How do you do it? Yeah. I feel like it's not the same, obviously, completely not the same. But I remember going to because Ms. Kay house very old and has a lot of old gosh like KB's house, very old and has a lot of old gosh, like fixtures. I don't know. He's very into yeah. Is really into restored and renovated things. So we had a closet tub, no closets. We had all of our wars. To be seen. Yeah. No. I mean, it could've been built in eighteen hundreds. Yeah. And I had no idea we went on a tour one time. They taxed you for doorways at that time. So they can't couldn't afford a closet. So they just use ARMOUR's and stuff like that. We had a fainting sofa in our bedroom. Like, we had no carpet. There were no stairs. So when I would go to people's houses, I was like, what? Yeah. I thought people who, like, lived in a two story house were rich. Yes. I was like, you have stairs and carpet? Yeah. Exactly. like, 19th of those built in with the shower and tub combo was like, oh, man. I don't want it that so bad. Yeah. I know. Yep. And little did we know we had it made and awesome because we had a a whole cloth foot tub and, you know, like, I know. Yeah. That's what I would want now. Exactly. Yeah. It's funny how it's like And you just don't know until you see it done differently. Right? Mhmm. Okay. But she was really, like, She could track wild animals in the woods, and she helped care for her family's animals. She was a very rounded individual. Like, she had a lot of knowledge that a lot of kids her age would not have had. Yeah. And she was also trained in jujitsu. Like, very well trained in jujitsu. Wow. That is at 17 That is a seventeen in. I know. She had a Sharpie named Lau and a cat named muffin. I love it. It's cute. Muffin. Making content is an essential part of what we do to keep the show content is an essential part of what we do to keep the show going, but it hasn't always been a seamless creative process. 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She kept notes from her friends taped up in her light green nineteen eighty five Oldsmobile sedan. She never forgot anyone's birthday. That is not my talent. Mm-mm. She was someone who could be counted on and was just fun to around She was an attention grabber with her long brown hair. She had a very slim build, hazel eyes, and long legs. And her friends referred to her as the hot 19th, sometimes. I know how that goes. Just kidding. Like, it reminds me of love actually when Colin goes to America. Oh, yes. And he's got a big dong or whatever, but He is a knob. Oh, knob. Knob. And he a knob. Like who calls it a knob. People in England do. That's funny. Oh, that's funny. Because they he Rocky used the word knob in the newer I finally listened to the newer season of my dad wrote a porno, and he called it a knob like four times and they were like, it's not sexy to call it a knob. Like, why do you keep going? But I didn't know it was like a thing more of a thing there. But he's like, you know, he's at the bar with the three girls and they're like, oh, we'll have to sleep naked because we're super poor and he's just like, oh my gosh. And then they're like, you haven't met? Harriet? Was that her? Harriet. Harriet. And he's like, who's Harriet? And they were like, oh, she's the hot one. Oh, okay. Well, this is a good night. Right? Yeah. Great for me. Exactly. But they reminded me of that. So, Brianna's personality was one of trust and sensitivity, and this sometimes led her to be a little bit naive. Her parents said that she always wanted to see the best in everyone, which you know, can can sometimes not be a good thing. I mean, if you Exactly. And she always thought of others before herself and that kind of led her into dangerous situations and her mom said that one time she came home, defined Brianna with hitchhiker that she picked up while driving home. And nothing bad happened, but her parents were like, okay, this is the kind of thing that makes me nervous. Like, something really bad could have happened, you know. Right. Yeah. And you just never know. So it's, like, even though you want you're doing it out of the goodness of your heart, you gotta keep yourself safe. Yeah. Now Brianna had a pretty good relationship with her parents, but She wanted independence, and she's seventeen years old at this time. The only reason I've ever seen for her moving out of her house when she's 17, and changing schools is because she wanted independence. Mhmm. Does that seem extreme To you, I know that me and all of my friends at seventeen 19th independence. But we weren't with that to move out. Like, right. But sometimes that came with, like, okay, I'm gonna get a car or -- Uh-huh. -- I'll get a part time job so I can make my own money or Right. Yeah. It just I don't know. I've never seen any other reason that she would have moved it by all accounts, she still had a pretty good relationship with her parents. It just seems strange that she would leave the house, especially considering, like, we'll get into it. But so, like, when she moved out, again, she's 17, she moves about fifteen miles away from her family's Maitland I do understand this. She's at the high school that she went to, where her family's farm was, she felt like she didn't fit in. Like, she's a very outgoing girl, but at this school, she just wasn't really making friends. And her the people that she was close to went to school about fifteen miles away, and that's where she wanted to be. So she ends up moving in with a friend and I guess her family because all of her friends are still in high school. So this is a girl named Katie Manning, and she registers at the school there in Inesburg. I I don't know if I'm saying that Maitland I I'm sorry if I'm not. It's no no shade to anybody. I should not say. So this ends up falling through. She can't stay there anymore. So she ends up kinda couch surfing for a while. She stays with, you know, other friends. She stays with boy friends. She stayed in her car some nights. This is Vermont. We're talking about the winter. In late February of two thousand four, she ends up dropping out of high school. So because she doesn't have a good living situation and sometimes I guess maybe she's further from the school or whatever, she's just not making it there. As easily and she's also not because she doesn't know where she's gonna be. If she's sleeping in her car, you know she's not well rested. Her academics are suffering she withdraws from school. So then she moves in with childhood friend named Gillian Stout, and she finally felt more comfortable with these living arrangements. And then 19th she got more settled. She joined a high school equivalency program in order to get her GED, and it kinda seemed like things were settling down there. And we'll talk about one theory about maybe why help me not to forget this. Why she might have wanted to leave then? Okay. I don't know when you want to bring this up, but I will try. Yeah. I don't know when I should. Maybe I should just say now. So one thing I did here, because it just seems, you know so, like, for your parents to be like, okay, you can move out. Mhmm. Like, I don't know all this stuff. But, anyway, I heard and I read that it came out somewhere. And again, there's a lot of rumors with this case, so it's it's really hard, but I read that it came out somewhere that a neighbor, her neighbor, that lived in the house, I guess, directly next door to the family farm, had molested Brianna? And that neighbor still lived there. So I wonder if that was what made her wanna leave the house. Well, yeah, I mean, that that is a completely Like, that understand the reason. Yeah. Because it seems like your parents wouldn't be like, oh, you just want a little more independence. Because, I mean, Technically, can't you take legal action? Or I don't know. I don't know. I guess maybe you can't, but, like, you know, with a seventeen year old and she's withdrawing from one school and registering in another, like, don't you have to have parental consent to do some of this stuff Well, I don't know about if it's state to state with that kind of stuff because consent is different different ages for, like, sexual consent and all that kind of stuff. So it could be different for different states, but I would think that she would have to be like emancipated from her So it could be different for different states. But I would think that she would have to be, like, emancipated from her parents almost. You know? Right. And it seems like they are either just trying to keep the peace or they are I mean, I I they did not want her to move out necessarily. They weren't No. Her mom with it. One hundred percent was, like, I don't think this is a good idea, and Brianna was, like, Well, I'm doing it anyway though. Mhmm. But it just seems like you would have I don't know. But I guess a seventeen year old, if they have a car, you know, whatever they want. But I don't know. I feel like we are looking at it from a lens of the way that we grew up. And -- Yeah. -- we weren't allowed to do shit No. We weren't. And we'd so then we didn't, I don't And we'd so then we didn't. Like, I don't know. I don't know what it what it's like to do something you're not supposed do. to do really. Yeah. It never crossed our And I think it it never crossed our minds, just do it anyway. We were like, right. Wait. You can just do it? Yeah. I'm not allowed to do that. So that's off limit. Like, yeah. So I don't know. I don't know what kind of recourse you'd have as a parent, but it seems like she's moving out. She's getting two jobs. I mean, she's living in her damn car. For part of the time, that has to be terrifying for her parents. Well, yeah, and I would think as her parents, like, if it was me, I'd be like, wow, you wanna be out so badly that you're willing to go to these lengths? Yeah. Like, what's going on? There's Maitland we're in no way blaming the parents at all. Oh, no. It just seems like it's an extreme thing. Yeah. For for being like, well, you know, most kids want independence, so she moved out at seventeen. She had to drop out of high school to move she wanted to graduate. She was an intelligent girl. Like, it seems like there's something else going on. So this whole neighbor situation makes a lot of sense for that because and maybe she didn't feel comfortable talking to her parents about it. I don't I don't know. Yeah. And I think with a lot of cases that we cover, there's we just get as much information as we get. So -- Yeah. There's stuff that we're going to discuss because we're like, well, we need I mean, it'd be nice to know that, but we just don't. Mhmm. Exactly. Yeah. I was just like everything I read and everything I listened to and everything I watched. I was just like, but we don't really get the reason that she moved out. It's just she wanted independence and that is just so much to go through, couchsurfing, moving in with other people's families, living in your car, having a drop out of school, just because, like, oh, well, I want a little more independence. Right? There's gotta be something else. Go down there for else going on there. That's the first one I felt. Yeah. So let's get into the day of her disappearance. On Friday, March nineteenth two thousand four, Brianna woke up early and her mom picked her up to have breakfast. Brianna was going to take her GED exam afterwards and then the two were gonna go shopping. Around twelve PM, Kelly picked Brianna up from her exam and the two went to a local store to shop. Brianna had recently been hired for two part time jobs. One is a dishwasher the black lanyard in another at KJ's diner. She needed black pants for the job at the diner, so they so while they're there shopping, They are standing in line at the checkout counter, and Kelly noticed something, catch her daughter's eye outside. Briana told her mother that she'd be right Maitland she walked out of the store and out of her mother's view. Kelly finished paying and met her daughter out in the parking lot at a car. She noticed that Breanna's entire demeanor had changed. She was agitated and secretive. Kelly decided not to ask her what was going on wanting to respect her privacy. Again, I don't know what that's like because our mom was feeling a bit of business. Yeah. And I I don't wanna say I'm gonna be like our mom in any way, shape or form. I think I'm gonna be all up in my kids business. Like, well, something going on here. Like, yeah, I guess I want them to feel comfortable talking to I'm not saying that, you know, Kelly and Bruce did something that made her not comfortable with it. There are some kids that just won't talk to their parents. It's just how it is. Mhmm. But I don't know. There's a lot of, well, we didn't want to bother There's a lot of well, we didn't wanna bother her. We didn't want to she's seventeen. Like, You're the parent. You get to do that. Yeah. Absolutely. And I think, of course, hindsight, looking back, you're like, oh my gosh, what if that could have What if that could change something? Exactly. Yeah. I mean, it's heartbreaking. It is. And there's no right or wrong way to have handled any of this, but it is And I think, you know, we're talking about lot because we grew up so very differently. Yeah. So it's just kind of like, oh, you know, being contrast, that's kinda crazy to think about that you could have privacy. Maitland I just I mean, yeah, I think kids are entitled to their privacy to a reasonable degree, but I think that as parents, you're allowed to step it almost feels like for whatever reason. Kelly and Bruce kind of were like, I'm just allowed to step in. Yeah. And it's like, well, You're not just her friends, you're her parents. Right? I wonder if something, like, a big blow up happened. Yeah. And -- Yeah. -- you're something that we don't know. Yeah. Which is, I mean, fine. The car ride back to Gillian's house was quiet and tense. Kelly felt that something had happened in the parking lot that ended up set her daughter. Once they arrived, Brianna gave her mother a hug and exchanged I love use. Brianna headed inside to get ready for her shift at the Black Maitland Inn. Around three thirty PM, Brianna left her roommate a note saying that she'd be back later that night, and then she drove herself to work. So it was a very busy night at the BlackLinearn. And Brianna was working hard in the back washing dishes and helping the rest of the staff. Kelly and Bruce, her parents, were at an establishment not too far down the road. When they were headed home, Kelly asked Bruce if they should stop in and see if their daughter was see their daughter on the way home. Bruce said that they shouldn't embarrass her in front of her coworkers and the couple headed home. And that I understand. I do too. Yeah. Like, you know, she's in the back. It's not like she's a you can walk in and be like, hey, how's your night going or whatever. Right. And to ask for her to be honest. Bear with me here. It reminds me of the hot chick. Remember the the mom who was, like, lingering and she was, like, always up in her business. 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Get ten percent off your first month at better help dot com slash queens. At eleven twenty pm, the staff at the Black Winter clocked out. Most of them hung around to socialize and decompress after closing, but Brenna said she needed to head out and get some sleep before her next shift the morning after. Co workers saw her pulling out of the parking lot and onto the road, and this was the last time that Brianna was ever seen. Okay. I, like everywhere that I read, it said that people and the coworkers were like, do you want to stay and get dinner? Eleven twenty. I know. I feel like it's like that meme where it's like some people wanna get started at at nine PM and it's like, okay, not everyone's on coke, guys. Like, I can't. Yeah. Exactly. Like, eleven twenty, you're talking about dinner. I mean, you know, when I used to work at a restaurant, like, If you you don't dinner shift, you don't have time to eat dinner. You have to eat. Right. Maitland you don't go straight to bed after work. Nobody does. No. Yeah. So In my life now, I'm, like, eleven twenty. In the middle of the night. Yeah. I'm like a good reasonable time to have dinner probably seven. Mhmm. Well, we don't And that could be a little late. That could be a little late for me. You gotta do it at six six thirty or the children will die. Yeah. But then when we throw them dinner, they don't want it, but that's that's for another day. Okay. So remember at this time she's living with her friend Gillian. So and she had left a note for Gillian saying she'd be home after work that day. So Jillian saw the note that Brianna had left for her that night, but then she went to spend the weekend away at her grandparents' house. I also read that she was gonna be with her boyfriend that weekend. So Sorry, grandparents' house. She got home two days later on Sunday, and that's the twenty first. And the note was still there, untouched. No sign of Brianna anywhere. And she just assumed that, like, she went to stay with her family. Right? Like, maybe she spent the weekend at her family's house. Yeah. I mean, even if your friends with your roommates, you don't know everything that goes on. They don't, like, touch like, check-in all the time. Yeah. yeah. Not Not true when you and I were roommates. I knew where you were at all times every day all day. That's true, but that was different. Yeah. Because if if I went thirty over thirty minutes, I was calling the police. That's for damn sure. But, yeah, it's like, you know, okay, see you later, you know. And then sometimes, you know, sometimes, you don't come home. It's like, oh, hey, I I, you know, I ended up here and then I just stayed the night or whatever. Like, you know, stuff like that happens. So she's just, like, doesn't think anything about it. She just assumed she's with her family. On March twenty third, without having seen or heard anything from Brianna, Jillian calls Bruce and Kelly and is like, hey, you know, Is she at your house? Because, you know, I kinda thought she'd be back by now. And Kelly's like, no. I thought she was with you. Like, Okay. Now this is worrisome. And Gillian's like, well, no. I thought she was with you. So they start calling everybody they can think of. And and this is I mean, we're getting it five days now. Mhmm. I, again, I just as a parent, you don't talk to your kid for five days, and she's 17. That is interesting. And again, though, I do think I mean, it could just be a difference in the way people's families operate because I talk to you multiple times a day. If I haven't texted you by a certain time, at least you text me and you're like, either are you mad at me or are you in ditch somewhere? And then I talked to miss KB at least at least once a day. And sometimes I'm like, oh, gosh. You know, I don't have time or it's busy or whatever. And then I end up talking as you're off for three hours. So Yeah. Well, and I think, like, for me, I don't talk to him as often, but I'm also, you know, like, work grown ups. I don't think it would be weird to not talk to him every single day. Yeah. But I do understand. I mean, it's seventeen. Like, yeah, she's seventeen. It's and she's working two jobs. She's living on her own, like, I don't know. I would think we'd I'd wanna talk to her every day. I'm sure they wanted to talk to her every day. Again, I understand they're trying to give her her privacy and her space. Freedom, yeah, and her space. But at the same time, I just cannot fathom not, you know, if my kid goes on a on a weekend, you know, stay a weekend with a family, you know, a friend, and I know that he's gonna, you know, be there with their family or whatever. Maybe, you know, when there are teenagers that don't talk to them every single day, I would think, you know, that point you'd text, or her. This was 2004, is two thousand four or whatever. But I think I'd have some form of communication at least every day, every other day. Right. It's just fax them or something. I mean, some of the page. I'm like, It just seems very strange that you'd go five days and be like, have no idea that your seventeen year old is missing? Right. I don't know. Even though they don't live together, it's just That's just scary. So they start making phone calls. And then pretty much immediately, I mean, Kelly, like, because people are like, no. You know, she's not here. whenever. So Kelly calls 19th reports are missing. And she is because she's a minor. She's immediately entered into the NCIC, the National Crime Information Center as a missing juvenile. So this sends out an alert to all wall agencies. So at least I don't know. I mean, unfortunately, in this case, that didn't help anything, but at least it was put in immediately. The following day Wednesday, the twenty fourth, so this is officially five days since Brianna was last seen. Kelly and Bruce make more phone calls as they drive around the area looking for anything that might indicate where Brianna is. And Kelly wondered maybe if Brianna could have run away to go see her aunt whose name was Tammy Fisher, and she lived in Pittsburgh, and they were super, super close. But when Kelly called Tammy to see if Brianna had called or ended up there. Tammy had no idea so that it's, like, at every turn, you know, they're just, like, their hearts are sinking further further. It's so sad. The possibility though of Brianna having run away seemed pretty crazy. I mean, I guess if you look at it on paper, it's like she withdrew from school and she moved out house, of course, she ran away. But that's not actually Brianna. Like, it's not like, you know, I'm just slowly making steps of stopping any forward progress in my life? Like, you know, she was very very responsible still. She was taking that GED program. You know, she was working two jobs to try to make ends meet like all these things. She was still a really responsible kid. Again, something happened where she moved out. Something happened. But she also wanted to get out of rural Vermont. There must be more than this provincial life. Oh, is there life out there? Oh, yeah. She just reminds me so much of Belle. In this particular scenario, but she wanted to, like, you know, go to the big city. And so, you know, her friends were, like, That's a possibility. You know, maybe she would have wanted to, you know, just get out of here finally or whatever. But then they were like, no, that's not bringing it but then they were like, no, that's not bringing it either. She would not leave without telling her family. So again, we don't have a situation of a seventeen year old just straight, quote, runaway, who still matter very much. But I know a lot of times law enforcement agencies will be like, oh, well, you know, they're just a runaway, whatever. They're not allowed to run away. Mm-mm. Yeah. Because they don't get to. So go find them. But she was still in contact with her family all the time. They had just seen each other that day. She would have absolutely let friends or family know if she was going somewhere else. She her parents knew at least where she was living, you know, and things like that. So it was not like see you when I see you kind of thing at all. So for friends and family, they're thinking, no, this is there's no way. On Thursday, March twenty fifth, Kelly and Bruce went to the nearest Vermont state police station in Saint Albans. They showed police photos of Brianna and her green oldsmobile that she'd been seen last driving. This screen automobile, it's I mean, this is two thousand four, but it's not it's distinctive. It's very distinctive. It's like olive green with one of those, not cloth, but one of those, like, kinda covers on top grand Daddy had 19th, but it wasn't an oldsmobile and it wasn't green. But -- Yeah. -- I remember it distinctly. But, yeah, you would know it when you saw it. It's an older car. I mean, you know, it was an 85 and at that time the body style was completely I mean, you know, it was an eighty five and at that time, the body style was completely different. I mean, this car is a horse. So they show the picture of this car to the police, and an officer shows them a picture that had been of a car that had been found off route one eighteen just a mile or two down from the Black lantern. And as soon as her parents see it, they're like, oh my god, this is Brianna's car. That has to like, your stomach has to fall directly out of your butt. Absolutely. Because this car is, well, first of all, just seeing that the car is abandoned would be very, very concerning. Right? Because now it's six days in. But the way that the car was found is bizarre. It's this little house farmhouse kind of thing. And the car looks like it's backed into it. I mean, the car is I mean, it's backed into the house. And part of the house kind of collapsed on top of the car. There's no damage to the car really, but the house was kind of like an old kind of dilapidated house or whatever. And the car is not just, like, backed up to it. It is backed up into it. Mhmm. There was a a wreck of small sorts even. You know, it didn't necessarily have to be like a huge crash, but it's pretty bizarre. I mean, if you see that, you're like, what the fuck I mean, if you see that, you're like, what the fuck happened? What could have happened? On Saturday, March twentieth, the day after Briana was last seen leaving work, a state trooper had been dispatched to an abandoned vehicle off the road on Route two eighteen, And when he got there, he found the Green Oldsmobile, and it was backed into that abandoned farmhouse that we Maitland, and it called, like, around that area, people just referred to it as the Dutch Burn House, and, again, a mile, mile and a half from the Black Leonard Inn. And the thing is though, the state trooper finds his fucking car backed into a house. With part of the house collapsed on top of it in a significant hole in the house. And he's like, whatever. Probably everything's fine. He figured it was a DUI situation where the person didn't want to get in trouble, so they left. Okay? So he looks inside there are there's two unopened paychecks, two Brianna Like a dress to her from the Black lantern in so he has a clue -- Mhmm. -- write that under handy dandy notebook. And but he also finds just like a bunch of other personal effects. There's apparently a lot of trash in this car too. And again, we know that she lived out of this car from time to time too. So there's a lot of stuff in there. But again, he just took down the license plate Drilled down the road to the black lantern in. It was closed at the time. And then he was like, well, I did everything I could. So he had a toad. Mhmm. He doesn't take any pictures. He doesn't No. No pictures. Nothing. Bruce and Kelly were fucking pissed. They were like, why would you not have notified us sooner? Because the the car was registered to Bruce and Kelly. So why would they not have been notified that their car was found backed into a building. Right. You know, they don't call them or anything like Maitland it's you know, the driver is assumed to be Brianna who's underage because all of her stuff is in the car. So, like, again, why are we not making any phone calls? Their son, Whalen, found her car at a local shop. So Bruce goes down there and the trunk had not been opened. And it you know, the key is running the vehicle. They didn't have a way to open the trunk. It was just towed the way it was. And he got a crowbar out and opened the trunk, and he was terrified. He was gonna find his daughter's body in the back of that car, and I cannot imagine that feeling. And thankfully, she wasn't there, but just it's just so heartbreaking, but they were like, you know, it's weird because her contacts were left in the car. Her migraine medications were left in the car, and these are two things that everybody said she wouldn't have left without because she needed to see. And also, apparently, she had frequent enough migraines that she needed to keep that with her. So they're like, okay, she wouldn't have left those things. And they started to think that, you know, maybe she was a victim of foul play, and they said that she wouldn't have been easy to contain because remember she is well well versed in jujitsu. And they were like she was a fighter, she would have been very difficult to abduct. There would have been a struggle. Right? Mhmm. Because she would fight. On Friday, March twenty six, everybody at this point is searching for Brianna. The Maitland house was the hub. They had police, volunteers, media, all over the place. They were distributing flyers. Bruce is going down to the black lhner to talk to everybody to get as much information as can police deploy search dogs in the area surrounding the car. They did not find anything. On March thirtieth, Police examined Brianna's car for evidence and collected DNA and fingerprints. Back at the Maitland farm though, the Maitland are getting tons of phone calls. Mostly rumors are creepy people with nothing better to do than harass family members of somebody who's come visit. Why? It's beyond comprehension why people are like, great. Somebody went missing. Let me torture their family. That's cruel. Yeah. No. It's so Maitland I think it's funny. I just don't I do not understand it, but they did get one phone call that was interesting. Somebody called from Laura Murray's family. And I know you guys know who Laura Murray is because we get that requested a shit ton. But if you don't know, she disappeared when she was twenty one years old in New Hampshire and this is about ninety miles from Brianna. There are some similarities in their cases that Mara's car had been found abandoned along the side of the road, and this was five weeks before bringing his disappearance. So it's pretty, you know I mean, and that's not that far. Like, you know, it's not two thousand miles. Well, all those little New England states they're just like jammed all in there. So They really are. And, I mean, this is something that Henry Lee Lucas could have he could have done both of these in the same within an hour. And then -- Right. -- and then bend the space and back. He's he travels at the speed of light. That really does. So it was nothing for him. But Mora's family were wondering if maybe the two disappearances were connected, maybe there was a serial killer who was preying on women who had car trouble or, you know, something like that, like -- Mhmm. -- you know, something going on. Two weeks after Brianna was last seen, the class kids foundation came to Vermont to aid in the search And was that on a mix tape? Yes. Okay. So we covered on our murder mix tape on the Patreon. The abduction and murder of Poly class. So if you heard that, you're gonna recognize the class kids foundation. Her father Mark Class founded Maitland she had been abducted and murdered in nineteen ninety three when she was twelve years old from a fucking slumber party. Nobody is safe. It is so scary. But they have also conducted, like, hundreds of searches for missing people. They've trained over sixteen hundred professional search and rescue volunteers. And so they brought more than five hundred volunteers to help campus areas within a five mile radius of where Brianna's car was found. But unfortunately, they did not find anything. So sad. So let's talk about any clues anything of substance. What do we do here? though? Police in the Maitlands were coming up empty handed in their police in the were coming up and be handed in their searches, the widespread publicity was paying off. Witnesses have come forward saying that they'd seen Breanna's car the night that she disappeared. A man driving down Route one eighteen remembered seeing the vehicle backed into the Dutch Burn House sometime between eleven thirty pm and twelve thirty am. He believed the headlights were on, and another driver saw her vehicle in the same spot between twelve PM and twelve thirty AM. Or I guess it's twelve AM to twelve thirty AM. Mhmm. With a turn signal possibly flashing. Later that morning around two thirty AM, Brie and his ex boyfriend, James. Oh, no idea. I haven't say that name. Roper tail. Sure. Who was returning from a party drove by the Dutch Burn House and saw her car recognizing the vehicle he pulled over. There are two different accounts of what James did that night. One says that he continued on by the vehicle recognizing it but not stopping. Another said that he found the headlights on in both the driver's side and passenger's side doors open. James turned off the lights, shut the doors, and continued on. James' story has varied a bit since he had was admittedly drunk the night, and he didn't wanna get into any trouble. And even later in the morning, a group of hitchhikers down from Route one eighteen sobriety in his vehicle and were curious, so they pulled over and they took photos. They found the situation. hitchhikers. What did I did I say? Oh, hitchhikers. I'm sorry. I mean, you know, you know Nothing wrong with either, but just yeah. It was a group of hikers. Excuse me. And they found the vehicle. They found it to be very curious. So they were taking pictures. And they saw loose change, a water bottle, and a broken necklace on the ground nearby that was later determined to be Brianna's. Luckily, these hickers, not hitchhikers, took photos because they ended up being some of the only photos taken of the crime scene. Perfect. I was hoping there would be no pictures taken of the franchise. Right. Thank you, detectives. Mhmm. Well, they didn't know anyway. Batch. Batch. Batch. Batch. Hey, you guys. It's us again. Yay. It's us three. We threw you for a loop on this we three for a loop on this one. 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That's killerqueens dot link slash 0G3 weeks after Brannen was last seen, the Maitland family launched another massive surge in rural northwest Vermont again, they found nothing. I mean, it's like so many things they've like, so many searches and just absolutely nothing is turning up. Mhmm. Oh, it's crazy. Let's talk about some events leading up to this night. So in late February, about three weeks prior to Brianna's disappearance, She was involved in an altercation at a party. This I'm sorry. I'm just gonna say this bitch, Kiley. She's bitch. Kiley lacrosse, Embriana, had been good friends in high school, and there were six girls in their friend group. They were basically like always together. Keeley and Brianna were often interested in the same Kiley and Brianna were often interested in the same guys. It sounds like they probably would, like, you know, one of them would, like, date somebody and then later the other one would date that same person and it I don't know. It just seemed like, it's kinda how it is. There's, like, not as many boys in school I feel like as there are girls. And so you're gonna cross over some boyfriend and girlfriend situations. But while Kiley was out of town one week, she found out that Brianna had stayed at Kiley's boyfriend's house that weekend. This is James Robitaille or and this is James Robotail or whatever. James ended up admitting that he had cheated on Kiley with Brianna, And even though they've been close for a while, Brianna by this point had grown slightly distant from the girls because she wasn't attending school with them anymore. And that I mean, that'll do it. So Mhmm. -- not a site out of mind. Right? Yeah. After returning to Vermont, Healy saw Brianna in James' car, and this really made her angry. She was yelling at them as they drove off. And then a few days later, Brianna shows up to a party with James. Kiley was there and she was absolutely livid that they had gone there together. So she spends the night bothering the shit out of Brianna, just antagonizing her instigating stuff. And Brianna wasn't biting. She was just like, no. I'm not gonna acknowledge when she finally had enough and went out to James' car, like she just went out there to sit, Achilles couldn't take it. So she goes out there. Knox on the window, Brianna rolls it down, and Kiley just punches her twice in the head, and she's yelling at her she's asking if she was gonna come out and fight, you know, she's like, what are you gonna come out? Are you gonna fight me? And I'm like, thinking if Brianna did get out and fight you, your ass would be handed to you. Right. Exactly. And she sucker punched her. Yeah. She sucker punched her. Yeah. So Brianna just sat there. She had her head down. She was crying. Finally, James came out. I have some feelings about James in this situation. Like, if somebody is following I don't I guess your girlfriend at this point around and yelling at her and threatening her, do you think you guys could maybe leave the party together instead of, like, letting her go? Like, okay. I'll see you later, babe. I'm gonna shotgun some beers. Right. Cool. I'm not done party. Yeah. Exactly. So he finally comes out. Kelly walks away. Brianna was taken to the hospital. She had a broken nose, black eyes, and a concussion. And her friends and I think Kelly, her mom, encouraged her to file police report. And initially she wasn't going to, and I mean, that's the thing about and initially she wasn't going to. And, I mean, that's the thing about Brianna. She didn't want anybody to be mad at her. She didn't wanna file a police and that's why she didn't wanna get out and fight Keelie because she didn't wanna just she just didn't want people to not like her. Mhmm. She was just so, like, I don't know. She was a very kind person, but she ends up following this police report. So I read that Kiley was gonna be prosecuted for this altercation because she was charged. But then Brianna goes missing. And so on April ninth, the assault complaint against Kiley was dropped. Despite bringing his parents objections, and Killie ended up being one of the seven people that were subpoenaed to testify about bringing his disappearance. Kiley was very cooperative with police. It was questioned multiple times, and police have pretty much cleared her. They don't think she had anything to do with Brannen as disappearance. Kiley has gone on to get into more trouble. She's she, like, broke into a house, I think with some friends and bit the homeowner. She's not a girl making good decisions. That's for sure. But the police don't think she had anything to do with the disappearance. And know, anytime there's, like, a court date pending and then the, you know, the person goes missing or whatever, it's like, well, duh, this person did something to them. Right. It does based on the police, it does seem like for Kelly, this may have just been a quote lucky break for her. And that's how she treated it. Keely never looked at things as like, oh my God, you know it. Kelly never looked at things as like, oh my god. You know what? Like, we had some beef, but that's really sad. Like, we were friends and she went missing. She was just smug as hell. Like, well, I guess I don't have to worry about that anymore. Ugh. Kelly's not somebody that I would want to pot maybe be friends with based on what I'm hearing. Doesn't sound like it. No. So let's talk about some theories. At the time of bringing his disappearance, there was a drug epidemic in Vermont. Pratt cocaine was particularly popular. There were plenty of teenagers who didn't have anything to do other than try drugs. There was more than one drug ring active in the area. However, one that stood out to the police was run by Ramon Ryan's AKA Street and Nathaniel Jackson AKA Low. The two were from New York and came to Vermont specifically to traffic and distribute drugs. There were rumors that Briana was involved with drugs and initially it appeared to be casual usage. However, it soon came to light that Briana was a bit deep, Briana drug used initially believed. Her French Shauna said that Brianna had told her that she'd used crack cocaine and marijuana parties. Greg Overacker, a private investigator hired by the Maitland said that he was able to place Breanna in Ryan's with Ryan's and Jackson many times, some in one on one situations, Four weeks after her disappearance, the Maitland received an anonymous phone call saying that Brianna was being held against her will in a farmhouse on reservoir road in Berkshire. Which was about ten miles from where a car was found. Bruce told police that either they needed to execute a search at the farmhouse or else he would gather a group of friends and he would do it himself. Bruce wouldn't play around. No. Then I don't I don't blame him at all. You hear that? You're like, I'm fucking going. Yeah. Vermont State Police went to the residence to find that it belonged to Ryan's and Jackson, both denied knowing where Brianna was, the two other teenagers In the home, also denied any knowledge about her. Ryan's and Jackson allowed police to search their home. They found nothing that tied them into Brianna. However, they found guns and drug paraffiliation. The four were arrested on drug charges, but after their arraignments, Jackson left Vermont and moved to the Carolinas where he was eventually arrested to arrested again on drug charges. Ryan's moved in with Gia Collins a few months later Collins was reported missing by Ryan's and her remains were found shortly after. Does that sound good? No. It does not. I mean and it's it's horrific for Gia Collins and her family, but, you know, in connection to this case as well. Yeah. Yeah. Doesn't sound good. A woman was arrested after she admitted to murdering Collins after robbing her during a drug deal. Ryan's was never convicted of any involvement. Both Bryant and Jackson continued saying that they knew of Brianna, but they didn't know her very well. Overrecord said that this was complete bullshit, and there were several witnesses who said otherwise. Is over after saying this is bullshit because she was like, if they're drug dealers and maybe she was getting drugs from them, like, maybe she did meet with them several times to buy drugs, but that doesn't mean you know somebody super well. Right. Yeah. I really don't know. I mean, if I've learned anything from Pineapple Express, it's he was Seth Rogan just trying to get his weed and get out of there. James Franco isn't having it. He wants to be best friend. wants to be best friend. So it's like I feel like that's not the normal situation. But, I mean, I don't know. Again, there's just there's a lot of stuff that they keep close and stuff like that, but I wonder if they kind of can both be true. Like, yeah, I knew ever yeah, I'd met her several times, but she bought drugs off me. Right. And, yeah, maybe we were at parties at the same time or whatever, but it wasn't like we talked to the phone every Maitland, you know, yeah, I don't know. Exactly. I have no idea. 19th theory is that Brianna owed someone money for drugs. Police strongly believed this, and the newspaper even printed an article stating that her disappearance was the result of drug debt. Despite there not being any proof of this. That's cool. Perfect. That's irresponsible That's irresponsible journalism. Mhmm. They eventually published a retraction and apologized to the Maitland. There are many people who believe that Brienne is disappearance and may have been the result of a group trying to scare her because she owed the money. It was theorized that she met them out by the Dutch Burn House after work and their plan went wrong, ending in her death inadvertently. It wasn't out of the ordinary in Vermont for teens to meet in fields, drink, and do drugs. So meeting near the Dutch Bern House was a plausible theory. I don't know about that either. That house is so visible for the ride on the road. Yeah. And how many witnesses drove by that night and saw her just her car there? They would have mentioned if there were three cars there in twelve people's standing outside. Right. It doesn't sound like it was a field party, which Right. Yeah. don't know. I mean, maybe she stopped there to meet with I mean, maybe she stopped there to meet with somebody. I also don't know about the whole, like, drug money thing because, again, I don't know how it works, but how much money is this like she, you know, told somebody, hey, I need weed? And I'll spot you next time or whatever. And then they're like, well, she owes me fifty fucking dollars, so down she goes. Yeah. Like, doesn't this need to be a significant amount of money? But I've also heard police say, I mean, I know that people are killed for for drug deaths and stuff like that, but Also, when you kill the person, you can't collect your debt. Right. And I hear police say that so many times, so it's like, I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. In the middle of June two thousand four, police said that they rolled out any connection between Breanna's disappearance and Laura Murray. Despite this, some people believe that the two disappearances could be the result of a serial killer. I don't, but that's You don't what? I don't think that they're connected at all. Yeah. I mean, they are similar. They're parallels, but I don't think that they're they're connected either. Yeah. I don't think they're I don't think they're connected Yeah. They are kinda similar. Just the Dutch burn house being so visible and so many people driving by and, like, seeing her car, it just seems weird that I don't know. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So we we have a signing to talk about. On January 17 two thousand six, a Vermont business owner was at black jack table in Caesars casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey when he spotted a female who he thought looked exactly like Brianna. She was with a bald, middle aged white male, The man did not approach the woman that he saw, but he did contact law enforcement. Police retrieved surveillance video from the casino to show her family and within five minutes of watching the video, Whelan was like, no, this is not my sister. Her parents were hesitant likely biased as I'm sure, you know, they hoped it was her. But eventually after pausing the video and seeing the woman at a certain angle, Kelly was like, no. This is not my daughter. And this woman has never been identified. Nobody's ever come forward and been like, oh, hey, it was me. Like, sorry, you know, whatever. Didn't mean to look like her, I guess. I don't know what you'd say. Sorry for it, but sorry to the family. Yeah. Like, sorry, but it's me. But the family was pretty like, you know, and you know they're desperate to find her. Right? So the likelihood is normally that people will see something that's not there. But they were just like, man, it's not her. You know? It's just not her. It's bummer. Yeah. Yeah. We've got more theories though because that's all we have in this case again. I'm so sorry, Dory. Greg Ovaracker said that he was told by somebody that the day that Brianna disappeared, she'd been threatened in the parking lot. So remember when Brianna went shopping with her Maitland Brianna leaves a store, and then when her mom comes out, she's like, just in a whole different mood. O'Racker said that he was told that Brianna saw somebody she recognized outside. She went to talk to them and they told her that she shouldn't go to work that night. The source said that the person who told, this is secondhand information. So the person that gives this information to over after says that the person who told them this is the person who actually talked to Brianna. Right. But that's like well, he said she said he said it it's like it's kind of like a fart in the wind. You know what I mean? Like, it doesn't hold anything. It's never been confirmed. I mean, I don't know. The creators of the podcast missing Laura Murray have at least twenty episodes where they dig deep into bringing his disappearance, and that's what we talked about in the beginning. Missing Brianna During this, they interviewed several of her friends. Katie Manning and Meghan Jefferson were close friends of Brianna's in high Maitland they remembered how friendly she was and that she was, you know, a great person. In their interviews, they both said that they believed that there are between two to four people who still live in the area who know exactly what happened Brianna. They alluded to the fact that they believe that Brianna's death was an accidental overdose and the people who were there with her rather than calling nine eleven or, you know, they don't wanna get in trouble because they're also using drugs and doing stuff they're not supposed to be doing. They let her die, dispose of her body, and covered up her death. The girls don't name the people they believe were involved, but they do mention that they were close to at least one of the people before this happen and just after Briana's disappearance. Katie said that the police were told about these rumors and even drained a manure pit at the house of one of the guys, but they didn't find anything. That sounds like horrific job to drain them in Europe. Mhmm. In another article, Kiley lacrosse said that after Brianna's disappearance, they came to her boyfriend's house to drag his new carpet. So the man's name isn't reported, but this, you know, is corroborated by a couple people. It's clear that it was someone who was involved with, you know, this circle of friends. In Meghan's interview, she said that it's possible that the people were scared when Brianna overdose since she was only seventeen years old and they were all over the age of eighteen. She says these people still live in Inesburg and Katie said she still runs into them occasionally. I feel that this is one of those situations where, you know, four people can keep secret if three of them are dead. But it's been seventeen years. I just I can't believe that somebody hasn't, you know, needed to relieve their conscience by now -- Mhmm. -- or just been, like, I see what the family is going through. Like, I need to, you know, Yeah. And I do feel like, I mean, obviously, I can understand being scared of getting caught or busted for drugs, but you're gonna be in so much more trouble if you dispose of body. Yeah. Exactly. And how do you live with yourself? Like, I just don't get it. Right. And I know that, you know, young people -- Right. -- don't make the best decisions, but and I know this has been known to happen, but I don't know. I wish there maybe there is a case study of, like, how many times this actually happened and how long people went before they said something to somebody? Yeah. Because I just have a hard time thinking that nobody said anything. Right. In two thousand seven, Vermont newspaper published story that a local police officer gave a sworn statement that a local woman told him that Brianna was murdered and dismembered by several including Ramon Rihans. Police were never able to substantiate any of this information. As to why Brianna's car was backed into the Dutch burn house, there are a few theories. Some think that she was meeting someone there and then she was attacked. And while trying to fend off her attacker, she inadvertently reversed into building, Others believed that Brianna had multiple attackers at the scene and that after getting her into another car, someone tried to take her vehicle with him but accidentally reversed it into the House. I also heard a theory that somebody was waiting in the back of her car and Urban Legend style popped up at the right moment. To, like, attack her, abduct her, after her, if I Yeah. After she'd driven away from work for a little while. You know what? I don't wanna put something out there that's not meant to be put out there. I know Kelly has all but been there. I know Kiley has all but been cleared. She had motive. She did have motive. It's such convenient timing for her. Mhmm. Yeah. And as much as she was about, like, oh, well, she's gone now, so no. No criminal charges. Yeah. And, I mean, it's not like she was avoiding a murder charge by getting rid of her. Anything, you know, it's probably a pretty small charge, but I don't know. Well, I mean, if we're gonna go the route of younger kids make dumb mistakes. Exactly. Exactly. mean, what did we talk about on True crime REWIND last night? Somebody literally killed a woman because he thought that his boyfriend who, they're both gay, was with a woman that night. And they were literally like, just talking because she was straight, he was gay, nothing And they were literally, like, just talking because she was straight. He was gay. Nothing there. And just he saw them talking and killed her over it. Mhmm. I mean, there was absolutely nothing. That's such an overreaction. I just can't even I can't even state what an overreaction that is. Like -- Right. -- people do it. Yeah. People do it. You know, there are times that they're like, oh, well, this person only had fifty dollars on them. Somebody has killed for fifty dollars a guaranteed year. I literally think about that kind of stuff whenever because I sometimes will have, like, some cash on me. And it'll just be in my car. And I'm, like, I better put this because somebody will break into this car for a two dollar bill. You know what mean? Like you just cannot put it past I mean? Like -- Yep. -- you just cannot put it past people. I know. Yeah. That being said, we don't know what happened, obviously. That's what we're talking about it, but You just never know. Yeah. It really is. It's it's a very strange case. I mean, especially adding the carving back down the building just adds another layer of, like, what the fuck happened. You know? Mhmm. Like, there's so many things that, I mean, it literally, like, I also wonder, did something happen where, like, she pulled over for some reason into that, you know, to that tabs or whatever. Yeah. And she was getting ready to leave. And for whatever reason, you know, maybe she'd been in park and accidentally, like, put her car in reverse instead of drive. Gassed it and then backed into Maitland then somebody saw her there and, you know, she accepted a ride from somebody and that went wrong. Like, you know, there could be a lot of reasons, like, her car backing into that house could be part of the altercation or or attack or whatever, and it also could not be. Like, we just don't know. feel like, you know, there's so many, like, movies that you see or cases that we cover, and it's like, here's all the evidence and you're like, how the fuck this all go together? And then when you see that, like, oh, well, actually, she tripped and fell on her way inside the house and that's why there was blood here and then, you know, blah blah blah. It's like, I don't know. You just, like, never know what the sequence of events is gonna be. And, like, sometimes crazy shit just happens. You never know. But Yeah. There are rumors that there is evidence that was possibly found in Breanna's car that has not been released to the public. Unfortunately, there hasn't been much public movement in her disappearance. If you have any information regarding Brianna's disappearance, please contact the Vermont State Police at 8025245993. 3. 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