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If knowledge is power, then learning is our superpower.

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And it's a superpower we all have, but your

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brain is like a muscle, it's use it or

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lose it. Digital dementia is the high reliance on

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technology to remember things for you. You don't have

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to remember your to-dos, it's in your phone. You

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don't have to remember phone numbers. I don't want

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to memorize 500 phone numbers, but it should be

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concerning we've lost the ability to remember one phone

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number. Two of the most costly words in life

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sometimes are, I forgot. There is

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an art and a science to learning how

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to learn. When you hear something, within 48

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hours, we could lose upwards of 80% of it.

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And one of the ways to mitigate that is

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that my superpower growing up was being invisible. I

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would shrink all the time, even thinking about it,

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I get a little choked up. Life is difficult

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either because you're leaving your comfort zone, or life

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is gonna be difficult to be staying in your

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comfort zone. Our faith has to be sometimes greater

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than our fears. When we're taking

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our final breaths, none of the

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other people's opinions are gonna matter.

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There's a world that exists solely

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because you're in it. We're all

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on this journey to reveal and

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realize our fullest potential. Hey

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everyone, welcome back to Know Thyself. Today we

1:08

have the privilege of sitting down with a

1:11

New York Times bestselling author, an individual who

1:13

is the number one world's

1:15

leading brain expert, and is somebody that

1:17

has been a coach to many people,

1:19

unlocking the full potential of their

1:21

brain from some of the biggest brands in the world, some

1:25

of the most prolific figures, and it

1:27

makes sense because he's such an effective guy at

1:29

doing just that. So Jim, quick, thanks for being

1:31

here. Andre, it's a real pleasure. Thank you everyone

1:34

who's tuning in. Yeah. Where

1:36

I wanna start is because one consistent

1:39

pattern that I see often, time and time

1:41

again, everybody I get to sit down with

1:43

is that earlier on

1:45

in their life, there was a challenge, a difficulty,

1:47

a roadblock that became the way for them to

1:49

unlock their gift. I see that in so many

1:51

people. And I know that's such a strong core

1:54

theme in your life as well, how you're

1:57

such a prolific learner and teacher.

2:00

So could you share a little bit of the background of

2:03

the limit that you felt was placed on you earlier in life

2:05

and how that became the way for your path now? I

2:08

just got goosebumps. I call them truth

2:10

bumps. Yeah, I think a

2:12

lot of people in

2:14

your community could relate that sometimes

2:16

your struggles can lead to strength,

2:18

that through challenge comes change. My

2:21

inspiration was my desperation. I didn't know

2:24

being a brain coach was an option.

2:27

Going through school, my guidance counselor never kind of brought

2:29

that up as part of the menu. When

2:33

people see me at events where I speak,

2:35

I sometimes if there's time I'll do a

2:37

demonstration where we'll maybe pass around a microphone

2:39

and 100 people

2:41

in the audience will introduce themselves and I'll memorize

2:44

their names or something like that. And I always

2:46

tell people I don't do this to impress you.

2:48

I do this more to express to you what's

2:50

possible because the truth is every single person listening,

2:53

you could do that. And regardless

2:56

of your age, your background, your

2:58

gender, history, IQ, we just weren't

3:00

taught. And the reason why

3:02

I know it's possible is because I've

3:04

been teaching people how to do this for

3:06

32 years. It's been my mission to build

3:09

better, brighter brains. To go

3:11

back to your question, I had an

3:13

accident when I was five years old. I

3:15

went to a public school system. My parents

3:18

immigrated to the US. My dad was 13.

3:20

We live in Nisvita language.

3:22

We lived in the back of a laundromat that

3:24

my mom worked at. And everybody has their kind

3:26

of origin story. I'm the oldest

3:29

of three siblings and I always wanted to

3:31

make my brother, my sister

3:33

like a good role model. So just

3:35

kind of added pressure.

3:37

But when I was in school

3:40

in kindergarten, I took a very bad

3:42

fall. I went headfirst into a heater,

3:44

like a radiator, and

3:47

rushed to the emergency room. And

3:50

really, How it manifested

3:52

was my parents said I was just

3:54

different afterwards, where before I was very

3:57

playful and curious and energized. I just.

4:00

Only shut down. I'm

4:02

very antisocial. very shy,

4:05

some. I learning

4:07

challenges because of it. so I pour

4:09

focus part memories. I would get these

4:11

migraines every day. When I was five

4:13

six seven I just thought of as

4:15

normal. I was a balance issues because

4:17

my a traumatic brain injury com took

4:19

me three years long to learn how

4:21

to read and that was just very

4:23

embarrassing. You know when you would pass

4:25

around the Balkans you'd have to read

4:27

it out loud and I just. They.

4:30

Just yeah, this has

4:32

nothing on. And

4:34

then when I was nine years old, I was

4:37

being teased. My

4:39

learning difficulties I just unjust lessons.

4:41

teachers would have to repeat themselves

4:43

and numb. And

4:45

the teacher came to my defense at

4:47

times. And leave that alone From the

4:50

whole class. Leave that alone. That's the

4:52

boy with the broken brain and that

4:54

label became my limits. and I'm so

4:56

every single to remarry. That

4:59

badly in school which was weekly resale

5:01

cancer broken ring when I was in

5:03

it for sports which was all the

5:05

time of my balance issues and Cornyn

5:07

and. Rain. So.have

5:11

to be very careful there external

5:13

worse because they often become a

5:15

child's internal words and them in

5:17

us I struggled with full on

5:19

its self doubt self esteem issues

5:21

just buried in that place. But

5:23

here are the story works out

5:25

on. Eventually when I was eighteen,

5:27

I found a mentor and a started getting

5:30

serious about how the brain works. Com.

5:33

it says to the title we're talking

5:35

about this you first start filming know

5:38

thyself had says really presently says me

5:40

i wanted to know more about myself

5:42

and on especially how to my my

5:45

brain works week worth my brain better

5:47

how's my memory works like work my

5:49

memory better hands on yeah everything turned

5:51

around and try started studying adult learning

5:54

theory multiple intelligence theory brain science speed

5:56

reading age in the mornings i wanted

5:58

to find i'm not the latest science,

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but what did ancient cultures

6:02

do to remember things and learn things before

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there were, I don't know,

6:07

printing presses and phones? And

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yeah, my grades started to shoot up

6:12

after about 60 days of studying this

6:14

and I couldn't help but

6:16

help other people because I feel

6:19

like you learn something for one of two reasons.

6:21

One, how you can benefit but also how you

6:23

can help other people. And

6:26

I started to tutor and one of my very

6:28

first students, she was a college freshman, she

6:31

read 30 books in 30 days, not

6:33

skim or scam, but really studied them.

6:35

And I wanted to find out not

6:38

how, I taught her how to speed

6:40

read, but I wanted to find out

6:42

why. I'm like insanely curious of why

6:44

some people learn something and they apply

6:46

it while other people, that

6:49

common sense is not common practice. And

6:51

I found out her mother was diagnosed

6:53

with terminal cancer, was only given

6:56

two months to live and the books

6:58

she was reading were books on

7:00

health and wellness, alternative medicine, energy

7:02

healing, things to save

7:04

her month's life. And I get a

7:07

call from this young lady six months later and she's

7:10

crying profusely. And

7:13

when she stops, I realized there are tears

7:15

of joy that her mother not only

7:17

survived, but is really getting better. Doctors don't know how

7:19

or why. The doctors were

7:21

calling it a miracle. Her

7:24

mother attributed 100% to the great

7:26

advice she got from her daughter who learned it

7:28

from all these books. And

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Andre, in that moment, I realized

7:32

two things that number one, if

7:34

knowledge is power, then learning is our

7:36

superpower. And it's a superpower we all have.

7:40

We're just not really taught, you know, school

7:42

is a great place to learn like what

7:44

math, history, science, what to learn. But

7:47

there are not a lot of classes on how

7:49

to learn, how to think, right, how to remember.

7:51

And the second thing I learned, you know,

7:54

in that moment, it's not only that

7:56

if knowledge is power, learning your superpowers that I

7:58

found my Dharma. I found my mission

8:00

in life and

8:03

I've been doing it, you know,

8:05

ever, ever since. You know,

8:07

my really, it's our mission is leaving no

8:10

brain left behind. I love that. I

8:13

mean, we just met like 10, 15 minutes ago and

8:16

I could feel immediately, you're

8:18

an incredibly genuine person. You're also very

8:20

sensitive and empathetic. And

8:22

what you just opened up, I want to dive a

8:25

little bit deeper into it because a lot

8:27

of people who are sensitive, who, you know, maybe

8:29

call themselves empaths or

8:31

maybe even introverted, they

8:34

can use that as a label to limit them

8:36

like you spoke to. And I've

8:39

found one of the most impactful shifts is

8:41

seeing how things in our past and that

8:43

still live within us shifting

8:46

from perceiving how they happen to us to how they

8:48

may have happened for us. And

8:50

so what was your process of like

8:53

really harnessing the sensitivity as a

8:56

superpower in many ways where a lot of people

8:58

get crippled by it? So

9:00

I think the sensitivity came from, in

9:04

my superpower, I talk about superpowers a

9:06

lot and superheroes because I couldn't read.

9:08

And then how I taught myself how

9:10

to read was through comic books. Something

9:13

about the stories or the illustrations

9:17

brought the words to life. And,

9:20

but my superpower growing up was being invisible.

9:24

I would shrink all the time. Even thinking

9:26

about it, I get a little choked up

9:28

because I would always collapse myself because I

9:30

didn't want to take up as much space

9:33

because I never wanted to be called on in

9:35

class because I never knew the answers. I

9:38

also wanted to shrink so I wasn't going to be

9:40

teased or bullied. So

9:42

I would sit behind the tall kid in class or, but

9:46

because of it, I would

9:48

pay attention to people. And I feel

9:50

like I could sense when people were

9:53

struggling or they were in

9:55

pain because I would just observe

9:57

people every day in school.

10:00

outside of school. And

10:03

I would have a sensitivity for

10:05

people going through those struggles because

10:08

God was living there. But

10:12

I feel like also it in a

10:14

way made me a better coach because

10:19

I feel like knowing yourself

10:21

and knowing others and

10:24

be able to relate to what people go

10:26

through. We hear a lot about post-traumatic stress.

10:28

We don't hear a lot about post-traumatic growth, which

10:32

is this phenomenon where you go through adversity.

10:34

I would imagine somebody listening right now, they've

10:37

gone through adversity, but I know some

10:39

people would say that they wouldn't change

10:42

what happened because

10:45

through it they found something. They discovered a gift,

10:47

a purpose, a mission, a strength, a trade. And

10:55

that's post-traumatic growth. I

10:59

would say that adversity could

11:01

be an advantage, but

11:04

I do agree that one

11:07

of my dominant questions is, where's the gift

11:09

in this, as opposed

11:11

to, as you said, instead of it happening to

11:14

you, it's happening for you and

11:16

it's serving some greater good. And

11:19

that's the truth I choose to,

11:21

I decide to believe in. There's

11:23

a quote in my book, Limitless, that says,

11:27

from a French philosopher saying, life is the

11:29

letter C between the letters B and D,

11:32

where B stands for birth and D stands for death,

11:34

life C is choice. That

11:36

our lives are a reflection of all the, some total of

11:38

all the choices we've made up to this point. And

11:41

I truly believe that these difficult

11:44

times, they could diminish us or difficult

11:46

times can distract us or

11:48

difficult times they can develop us. We

11:51

ultimately decide. So

11:55

I'll just remind that for everybody it's going through hard times. There

11:58

are some things we can only learn through a storm. And

12:01

I don't know one strong person

12:03

that had an easy life. So

12:07

I really think that through challenge leads

12:09

to change. And to

12:12

be grateful for, I'm not saying that our

12:15

origin story, we could make

12:17

up stories for any reason,

12:19

they're probably very valid to

12:22

justify where our situation is. And

12:26

I also believe that we

12:28

have a remarkable opportunity and

12:30

almost responsibility to be

12:32

able to direct our future,

12:34

that we can be the pilot of

12:37

our lives, not just the passenger. Yeah,

12:40

I really see the growing

12:42

arenas of, for example, neuroplasticity

12:44

and epigenetics pointing to

12:47

how much

12:49

we really have influence over our own destiny. And

12:53

so I just want to ask you,

12:55

how much do you feel like limitations

12:57

are self-imposed versus inherent? So

13:00

I believe in the majority of the, using,

13:03

when I reflect on my

13:05

life, I realized that

13:09

it wasn't so much about the

13:11

resources. Like when we came here, we

13:13

had no money, right? No

13:16

connections, no education. So

13:19

it's a matter of saying is

13:22

it the external resources or

13:24

maybe more the internal resourcefulness

13:26

that we have? So

13:28

I choose to lean into that. When

13:30

I think about the challenges that I had, a

13:32

lot of them were self-imposed. Either

13:37

my mindset, some part of my motivation,

13:39

or maybe the methods that we're using,

13:41

maybe in school to study, were just

13:44

the most effective. So I feel

13:46

like that we are, if I

13:48

could go back to that nine-year-old boy that

13:50

was teased and ridiculed, I would give

13:53

him a hug and say, you

13:56

are enough. But the message would be

13:58

more that you are a hug. 100%

14:00

responsible for your life. The

14:03

story that I put in the book was this

14:05

opportunity where I got to have dinner with

14:08

Stan Lee, as

14:11

a superhero fan. I

14:16

pick him up and I

14:18

have to ask him this question. Do I have

14:20

the nerve to ask him? I was like, Stan,

14:24

and I kind of started this out and you've created

14:26

so many amazing superheroes, who's your favorite? And

14:28

he says, Jim, it's Iron Man. And

14:31

he asked me, Jim, who's your favorite

14:33

superhero? And maybe because he had

14:35

a Spider-Man tie, I

14:37

said Spider-Man. And without a pause in

14:40

his iconic voice, he goes with great

14:42

power comes great responsibility, right? We all,

14:44

it's like on our DNA. We don't

14:46

even remember where we first heard it.

14:48

Shout out, Uncle Ben. Yeah, exactly. And

14:52

I tend to reverse things when I read

14:54

or hear, maybe because I had three head

14:57

injuries as a child,

15:00

but so I heard something different. I

15:03

was like, you're right. With great power

15:05

comes great responsibility. And the opposite is

15:07

also true. With great responsibility comes great

15:09

power. When we take responsibility for

15:12

something, we have great power to make

15:14

things better. And so

15:16

I just want to, I have these two

15:18

core beliefs that I am responsible for my

15:20

life 100%. And

15:23

my other belief is that everything

15:25

is figure-outable. I

15:28

really do. So

15:30

many of us, and I'm guilty of this also,

15:32

shrink what's possible to fit

15:34

our minds. Instead,

15:36

I feel like we can expand our minds

15:39

to fit all that's really possible. Yeah,

15:42

I really feel like we all come

15:44

into this life with sort of a

15:46

defined probabilistic path

15:48

kind of carved out for us through

15:50

family, through society. But then

15:53

as we grow and we realize that

15:55

we can't take full responsibility, we can

15:57

choose to consciously create our life. And

16:00

so outside of taking 100% responsibility, which

16:02

I feel like is such a pivotal

16:04

part of it, is there any other

16:06

thing after working with so many people

16:09

that you see as a defining characteristic

16:11

that separates people that become high achievers,

16:13

performers, and really creating their life

16:15

consciously versus somebody who kind of stays stuck

16:17

in that path that was set out for

16:19

them by mom, dad, the government

16:21

society, et cetera? Yeah,

16:24

leaning into responsibility and just remembering

16:26

personal agency, I think is a

16:28

great starting point because

16:31

I feel like we could

16:33

justify any kind of situation that we're in and

16:38

also on the other side of it, nothing changes,

16:40

right? If

16:44

people have seen me on Soil and we're

16:46

connected on social media and I'm with

16:49

Elon or Oprah or whoever, people

16:51

always ask, they're curious about how we connected

16:53

or bonded. And I can tell you, we

16:55

bonded over books. So

16:58

I think a through line is

17:03

people leaning into learning and growth, is

17:06

consistent. But sometimes when we've been through

17:08

trauma, like I think we're

17:10

wired, our souls are wired for

17:13

growth and connection. But if

17:15

we've been through adversity or some kind of

17:17

trauma, we prioritize

17:19

safety and it kind

17:21

of keeps us in our survival brain, which

17:23

in a way holds us hostage and

17:26

we don't have easy access to some

17:28

of our executive functioning, our creativity, our

17:31

problem solving, our imagination as much. And

17:35

so I would say that another

17:37

through line besides personal agency and

17:40

responsibility would be growth. I

17:44

feel like we grow, so we have more to give.

17:47

I call them grow givers. I

17:49

mean, sometimes people are going out there and go

17:51

getting and it's just getting, getting, getting. Other people,

17:53

they grow, they give, give,

17:55

give and

17:58

they become a martyr and some. I'm

18:00

sure people in our community are guilty of

18:02

this also, where you're the person people go

18:04

to at work,

18:06

or in your family, or your

18:08

friendship circle, that people come

18:10

to you to kind of save them. But

18:14

you feel depleted. So I feel like we grow, so

18:16

we have more to give. And

18:19

yeah, so that constant learning

18:21

and growing, accessing that neuroplasticity,

18:23

I feel like we're meant

18:25

to expand and

18:28

improve our knowledge, our skills,

18:30

our abilities. And yeah,

18:33

there's really no limit. I

18:35

feel like for me personally, one of the

18:37

most inspiring parts of my path that have

18:39

like really showed me what's possible is getting

18:41

to meet individuals that have been playing at

18:43

a bigger scale and like more of their

18:45

capacity and potential. And

18:48

so how have you personally, what's been maybe

18:50

that's one of them, but how have you clarified

18:52

what your, like what Jim's true desire in this

18:54

life is versus the conditioning of

18:56

what we're believed is possible to attain

18:59

and then developing the strength to actually go

19:01

after it. But is there something that stands

19:03

out? Yeah, I was saying before we started

19:05

filming, I love that again, the title of

19:07

your show. I

19:10

think there's two keys for fulfillment, at

19:12

least for me personally, it would be

19:14

having the curiosity to

19:17

know yourself, right? Know thyself. I

19:21

think that's why people, they meditate

19:23

or they journal. Everyone

19:25

has a different means to get there.

19:28

Maybe it's plant medicine, maybe they take

19:30

these online personality

19:32

assessments, whatever, right? And

19:35

to get to know themselves, what they value, what

19:37

they believe, what they stand for. And

19:40

I think that's half the equation, but I

19:42

think the other half besides knowing thyself, having

19:44

the curiosity to know thyself is having the

19:46

courage to be yourself, right? So

19:49

many people do the inner work, they

19:51

reflect, they introspect, and they have an

19:53

idea of who they are, but

19:56

applying that character into the world

19:58

is a different game. I

20:01

spent a lot of time at senior centers, nursing

20:04

homes. I

20:06

lost my, so my parents were always

20:08

working, like many immigrant parents,

20:11

and my grandmother took care of

20:14

me. But when I

20:16

had my injury shortly after, she

20:18

started showing signs, early signs of

20:20

dementia in Alzheimer's, and she eventually

20:23

passed of Alzheimer's when I was seven. So

20:25

it was very confusing to me to see

20:28

an adult, especially going through my challenges.

20:31

She would call me by my father's name, or

20:34

she would repeat something she just said a minute

20:36

ago, and that was very confusing for a five,

20:38

six year old boy. And

20:41

it informed what I

20:44

do now, obviously. But

20:47

I would say, because I spent some

20:49

time at senior centers, I

20:51

love learning the wisdom of, because

20:54

I think the life you live are the lessons you teach. And

20:57

because I didn't have

21:00

the opportunity to have grandparents throughout

21:02

my life, I liked

21:04

learning the wisdom and

21:07

the lessons. But I also, while I helped

21:09

them to polish off their memories, also, I

21:12

hear a lot of regret. I

21:17

mean, it's not a very positive

21:20

conversation, but somehow the through line

21:22

is they shrunk their life. They

21:26

didn't, because of what

21:28

other people expected, other people's

21:30

opinions. And I feel like sometimes

21:32

we know our passion or maybe

21:34

more our purpose, but it's sedated

21:36

underneath other people's opinions or expectations.

21:39

An example is like I would hear stories that

21:42

somebody didn't pursue a

21:44

relationship because of what other people would think

21:46

about that relationship, or they would go

21:49

on a specific career path because

21:51

their parents expected them to. And

21:55

I just want to remind myself and

21:58

for everyone to connect. and

22:00

resonates with is when we're taking our final

22:02

breaths, you

22:05

know, none of other people's opinions and expectations

22:07

are going to matter. What's going to matter

22:11

is things like how we laughed

22:13

and how we learned and how we loved and

22:15

how we lived. So I think

22:19

the most important thing is to keep the

22:21

most important thing, the most important

22:23

thing, right? And

22:26

so that's my true north, is kind of

22:28

working backwards from kind of

22:31

that state. Yeah.

22:33

I think earlier on in my personal path, like

22:36

one fear was not actualizing my potential in

22:38

this life, much of what you're speaking to,

22:41

you know, not living life true to me,

22:43

how maybe somebody else's plan for me. And

22:46

of course, our potential is limitless. But, you know,

22:48

really feeling like I could strive and live in

22:50

my purpose and Dharma in this life was

22:52

a very strong calling. One of

22:54

the things that I learned diving more into your work

22:56

was the

22:59

reflection that we have more access and we're

23:01

exposed to more information in one day than

23:03

the average person would in their entire lifetime

23:05

in the 1400s. Yeah. I

23:08

feel like every generation has their challenges

23:10

unique to their time. Our

23:13

generation, in the past couple of

23:15

generations, have this challenge, this

23:17

overload of information and noise that

23:19

is giving opinions and

23:22

just it's just noise

23:24

in general, like so much, so much

23:26

entertainment and

23:28

things pulling our attention away from knowing

23:31

who we are, from

23:33

clarifying what we want, from actively being able to

23:35

go after with the energy that we have. And

23:37

so I would just love for you to share how

23:39

this overload is stifling us from accessing our true potential.

23:43

Yeah. One of the things I talk about in limitless

23:45

are these four, I call them

23:47

the horseman of the mental apocalypse. And

23:49

it's kind of amplified by technology. We

23:53

train half of the Fortune 500 companies in two areas,

23:57

brain optimization, having this,

23:59

you know, maybe... meet in the hardware and

24:01

also the other areas, accelerated

24:03

learning, helping people to focus, read

24:05

faster, understand better, think clearer, remember

24:08

things, and a program

24:11

at Google. And at the time, the chairman

24:14

said that the amount information

24:18

that's been created from the dawn of

24:20

humanity since human beings walked the earth

24:22

to the year 2003, which

24:25

is only a couple decades ago, that

24:27

amount of information that was created every

24:30

like two days. I mean, you think about

24:32

podcasts and social media and YouTube and

24:34

all this. And so

24:36

we're drowning in information, but I think we're really

24:38

starving for wisdom and

24:41

practical ways to be able to

24:43

understand and apply all this information.

24:46

And there are health consequences. I talk about

24:49

one of the horsemen is Digital Deluge, where

24:52

it feels like you have to take in a sip of

24:54

water out of a fire hose nowadays,

24:58

just to keep up and people buy books

25:00

and they sit on your

25:02

shelf unread and become shelf help, not

25:04

self help, right? And it's

25:06

a challenge and it's a health crisis

25:08

too, because the amount of information, if

25:10

it's doubling at Disney speed, but how

25:13

we learn it and absorb and understand

25:15

it, focus on it, retain it, it

25:17

hasn't changed, if anything, it's

25:19

decreased. That growing

25:21

gap creates stress, right? They

25:23

call it information anxiety, higher

25:26

blood pressure, compression of leisure

25:28

time, more sleeplessness. Another

25:31

one that we applicable to the

25:33

conversation is Digital Distraction, right? It's

25:35

just not just the overload, it's just we

25:38

can't focus. There's so many

25:40

shiny objects and every

25:42

ring ping ding, app notification, social

25:44

media alert, it's just driving us

25:47

to distraction. And I think distraction,

25:49

like focus their muscles. And

25:51

if we're flexing those distraction muscles, we wonder

25:53

why we can't be present with

25:56

our friends and our family or at work and

25:58

our mind go different places. And

26:00

so, you know, it's definitely a

26:02

challenge that's amplified with technology, you

26:04

know, with every like, share, comment,

26:06

cat video, it's kind of we

26:09

get that dopamine flood, which is

26:11

the molecule of more. And

26:14

so I feel like one

26:16

of the most important things we can learn is the

26:19

art of learning is the art of attention, you

26:22

know, and being more present, you know,

26:24

the human mind, the brain could

26:27

understand and comprehend, retain, do so

26:29

much. But you know,

26:31

if our focus is split,

26:34

you know, on the noise, as opposed to the

26:36

signal and the thing that's most important. It's

26:39

a wonder why we struggle with our productivity,

26:41

our performance and our peace

26:44

of mind. You know, I think peace of mind

26:46

is high currency today, you know,

26:48

more than ever, you know,

26:50

and so controlling more of

26:52

our focus and leaning into that. Even

26:55

with things like the questions that we ask ourselves, you

26:58

know, we have about 60,000 thoughts

27:00

a day, you know, one of

27:02

the challenges is 95% of those thoughts,

27:04

those same thoughts we had yesterday and the day before

27:06

that, and we want to make a new change, it's

27:08

hard to do if we have the same level of

27:11

thinking. And a lot of those thoughts come in the

27:13

form of questions. And one of the ways to really

27:15

harness your focus is to

27:18

ask questions that direct us

27:20

towards a more empowering outcome,

27:23

meaning that sometimes are – like,

27:25

you know, I talk about in Limitless a dominant,

27:27

you know, your dominant question, you know, there's a

27:30

question that we ask more than any other

27:32

question. And a lot of times it's even unconscious. We

27:34

don't even realize we're doing it. You

27:36

know, for me, it was like growing up, it was

27:38

just like why is this happening to me? And

27:41

I started getting answers, which were probably not the

27:43

most empowering. You know,

27:45

I was like how do I be invisible? How do

27:47

I not be seen? I started getting answers that probably

27:50

wasn't the most healthy. And then

27:52

later on, I just – because I felt I had it broken,

27:54

I was like, well, how do I fix this? Or

27:56

How do I make this better? And I Started getting other answers. But we

27:58

have part of – Our brain

28:01

how to retake killer activating system or yes

28:03

which is a filtering system for directing our

28:05

focus and I think one of things we

28:07

could do is ask questions like even when

28:10

I want to learn faster, I've trained myself

28:12

to ask myself like on I'm sitting in

28:14

a com, friends are reading a book, or

28:16

listening to a podcast like how can I

28:19

use us. Pray. To Zip

28:21

You know how? That Question: I forget that

28:23

Answer: You know mom, Why must I use

28:25

this? When will I use this? How does

28:27

this relate to and I already know how

28:30

to teach us to somebody else and I

28:32

just you know. Answer Answer Answer: So the

28:34

brain primarily as some more of a deletion

28:36

device or trying to keep information out as

28:39

if we let everything and we would. Will.

28:41

Go insane. We be overloaded. A where we

28:43

lead in are the things that are important

28:46

to us and part of the tool and

28:48

we have to direct a thumbs and this

28:50

is a courses or were ask ourselves. Yeah.

28:53

This is one thing I I wrote

28:55

felt like rings really true with this

28:57

which is that attention is our spiritual

29:00

currency and why we pay it. And

29:02

when we're paying attention it's like it

29:04

or life force energy given to any

29:06

any one thing right and so like

29:08

you're speaking to. We have become so

29:10

fractured in our attention in our focus

29:12

they feel like largely most of it

29:15

is is because we haven't discovered what

29:17

we really value and and we want

29:19

to pay attention to because I can

29:21

think back to you know. Middle or

29:23

high school. Not really liking reading because

29:25

I wasn't giving material that I found

29:28

really interesting for me personally. But then

29:30

I found my first self help book

29:32

Alex sixteen and I couldn't stop reading

29:34

to the harder you know and so

29:36

yeah. I would love to reflect on

29:38

the. How inter correlated

29:40

our values and tinged henson are very

29:43

much so so. The things that we

29:45

value like against other question we can

29:47

ask ourselves is cover more a values.

29:51

What's. What's most important to me

29:53

in life? such a

29:56

simple question but i feel like if

29:58

you want to know thyself Part of

30:00

it is knowing what you treasure. And

30:03

so asking yourself what's most important to me in life

30:05

or what's most important to me in a relationship, what's

30:07

most important to me in my

30:10

career, it'll kind of give you a

30:13

target, right, to focus on.

30:18

Because otherwise, we're at the whim of everything

30:21

else that's going on. And I

30:23

think part of the nature of

30:25

our shared work and a lot

30:27

of people in the community is about transcending,

30:30

right. If you look at

30:32

the word trance and we're

30:35

ending the trance, either maybe

30:37

the trance is this mass hypnosis through

30:39

marketing or media that somehow

30:41

we're limited, or we're broken, or we're

30:44

not enough, or maybe if it's not coming

30:46

externally, maybe it's that internal like I had.

30:49

And I, you know, and having some respect

30:52

even today is the

30:54

self-hypnosis. You know, I

30:56

say to myself the words that I use about myself.

30:59

And so I

31:02

think beginning with the end in mind, which,

31:04

you know, the things that you

31:06

treasure and building a life around

31:08

that would lead to greater levels

31:10

of fulfillment. And

31:12

it could change over time what you value or

31:15

through life conditions. Sometimes things have to happen in

31:17

our life. As I mentioned, there's some

31:19

things you can only learn in a storm and some storms

31:21

come to clear our path, right.

31:24

But they also, these life conditions awaken us

31:26

to the things that, you know, maybe

31:28

if somebody has to go through a health crisis in

31:31

your life to be able to value that

31:33

person or, you know, or be grateful for the

31:35

health that we do have. And

31:38

so I think sometimes a lot

31:42

of people complain about being burned out. And

31:45

certainly it's because sometimes we're doing too

31:47

much, but sometimes we feel burnt out

31:49

not because we're doing too much. Sometimes

31:52

we feel burnt out because we're doing too little

31:54

of the things that light us

31:56

up, the things that we value, right,

31:58

the things that we hold. deer. And

32:01

so I think it's the

32:03

clarity is a superpower. And

32:06

to the degree we could do some introspection

32:08

and find out what we stand

32:10

for, what we believe, you know, the

32:13

things that we treasure in our life,

32:16

your identity, your IAM statements, I

32:18

feel like that's a great starting

32:21

place for like

32:24

even in the

32:26

matrix, when Neo comes to see the

32:28

Oracle for the very first time in her

32:30

kitchen, when she's baking cookies, everything, the sign

32:33

above the door of the kitchen was, you

32:35

know, know thyself. So

32:38

I feel like that's a wonderful starting point. I

32:41

have an exact rub the cup right above you.

32:43

Yeah. That's awesome. Because when I'm such a nerd,

32:45

but also to this being the know thyself podcast.

32:47

So here you go. This is exactly what you're

32:49

referring to. I love that. Oh,

32:52

that's really, again, thank you. I have the

32:54

goosebumps, the truth pumps. Yeah.

32:57

Yeah. So I

33:01

love everything that we're opening. Like there's a lot of practical

33:03

advice in what you're sharing here and how

33:05

I try to position as best I can my own

33:07

personal life. I really apply a lot of this like

33:09

first principles thinking of like, who, who am I being

33:12

for myself in the way that I do whatever I

33:14

do in the world? One area

33:16

that I think applies that very much so

33:18

that you teach is learning how to learn.

33:21

Because we're constantly taking

33:23

information we're trying to grow in my

33:26

body wealth, relationships, spiritually, all these different

33:28

areas in which we grow and learn.

33:30

And so much of it is

33:33

dependent upon how we intake information and how we

33:35

listen. And so I would love for you to

33:37

reflect on how to listen

33:39

and how to learn. Yeah. So

33:41

I feel like if there's one skill

33:44

to get better at today is exactly

33:46

that learning how to

33:48

learn. Meaning if there was a

33:50

genie that could grant you one wish,

33:52

but just one wish most people

33:55

would all wish for more wishes, right? If I

33:57

was your learning genie and I can help you

33:59

become more. of an expert at any one

34:01

subject or any one skill, would

34:04

the equivalent be of asking for more

34:06

wishes? I think it's people say

34:08

learning to code or learning how to market or learning

34:10

how to invest, learning how to learn. When

34:13

you can learn how to learn, what does that mean? You

34:15

could focus and concentrate and absorb information,

34:17

retain it, understand it, apply it.

34:21

What can you apply that to? Just

34:23

everything. You could apply that towards medicine

34:27

and money and martial arts and music

34:29

and Mandarin. Everything in your life gets

34:31

easier. It's one of those lead dominoes.

34:34

The first domino you hit and everything gets easier. You

34:36

sharpen the saw. I

34:38

think learning how to learn is very

34:40

important. I

34:43

mentioned it's not taught in school. Again,

34:46

they teach you math, history, science, and Spanish,

34:48

but there's no classical concentration or focus, at

34:51

least when I went to school. There's

34:53

no classical retention. They

34:56

teach you three hours, reading, writing, arithmetic,

34:58

but what about recall? Socrates

35:00

said learning is remembering. There

35:04

is an art and a science to learning how

35:06

to learn. As

35:08

people improve in that, every area of their life

35:10

gets a lot easier. Some

35:13

of the fundamental principles to

35:16

apply this, so if everyone can think about a

35:18

subject or a skill that they want to

35:20

learn, I use

35:23

the acronym FAST. The

35:27

F is forget, which

35:29

is weird from a memory coach. I

35:32

think one of the reasons why we don't learn as

35:34

rapidly as we can is because sometimes

35:37

we feel like we know the subject already. You're

35:39

sitting at an event, you're listening to a podcast,

35:41

you're like, oh, I know that already. I

35:44

want to remind everyone that your mind is like

35:46

a parachute and it only works when it is

35:48

open. Temporarily,

35:51

setting aside what you know about a subject so

35:53

you can discover something new or

35:55

maybe hearing it in a different way because

35:57

the half-life information is getting shorter and shorter.

36:00

There's always new research and new

36:02

information that maybe

36:06

we can apply towards making things better.

36:08

I would also say forget about distractions. I

36:11

know it's easier, way easier to say it

36:13

than to do it. We

36:16

live in a world where most people are trying to multitask.

36:20

Research is showing it's very difficult

36:22

to do two cognitive activities at

36:24

once, parallel. Basically

36:28

what we're doing is task switching. I

36:32

feel like sometimes if you're trying to learn

36:34

something but then you're also on social media

36:36

and you're checking Slack or doing something else,

36:38

it's really hard. We lose multitasking.

36:43

Three reasons why you want to monotask

36:45

versus multitask. Number one, you

36:47

lose time because it could take anywhere from

36:49

five or ten minutes to regain your focus

36:52

when you're going from something to another. Number

36:55

two, we make more mistakes. People

36:57

try to multitask. We work with a lot of

36:59

doctors and we know surgeons that

37:02

try to multitask during operations don't

37:04

make more surgical errors. Just

37:06

think about driving and texting. We're

37:09

going to have more accidents. If

37:11

that wasn't reason enough to focus on one thing at

37:13

a time, not only do

37:15

we lose time to make more mistakes, it uses

37:17

up an immense amount of energy. Your brain is

37:19

only 2% of your body mass but

37:22

it requires 20% of the energy. It's

37:25

a real energy hog. Think

37:28

about it. If you're doing an activity like

37:30

listening to this show right now, you have

37:32

a part of your brain, imagine a

37:34

cognitive web lit up, but

37:37

in order to switch from that to do

37:39

something else, you have to shut this down

37:41

and activate something else and use a lot

37:43

of glucose. People

37:46

struggle with mental fatigue or brain fog.

37:48

Maybe people have two metaphorical tabs open.

37:52

If they're minimized, it's still taking

37:55

up memories, energy to keep that

37:57

running. is

38:00

kind of forget about what you know temporarily so

38:02

you can be open-minded to learn something new and

38:05

forget about, you know, other

38:07

distractions. And even if something comes

38:09

in your mind, you can write it down and even

38:11

schedule your rumination. If you want to worry about something,

38:13

you say, okay, I'll do that four o'clock, but it

38:16

just kind of frees your mind into doing that. The

38:18

A in FAST is active. And I just

38:20

want to remind everybody that learning is not

38:22

a spectator sport. If you want

38:25

to learn something more rapidly, the human

38:27

brain doesn't learn best through consumption. It's

38:29

not like you could, a teacher could push

38:32

information inside your head as much as you

38:34

can, pull it in, and it's

38:36

more, not consumption, more creation

38:38

and co-creation. And

38:41

so I would say, how can you be

38:44

more active in your learning? You could take

38:46

notes, right? You can mind

38:48

map things, and we teach a whole brain

38:50

note-taking technique, which I think is

38:52

important because there's this learning curve, but

38:54

there's also a forgetting curve. That when

38:56

you hear something just once, you read

38:58

it or you hear it on a

39:00

podcast or an event, within 48

39:02

hours, we can lose upwards of 80%

39:06

of it. And so one of the

39:08

ways to mitigate that is to take

39:11

notes. Most people are,

39:13

and I'm curious, they can post

39:15

this on social media, do they prefer

39:17

handwriting notes or digital note-taking? But when

39:19

students are tested for comprehension and retention,

39:22

handwriting notes actually leads to

39:25

better results. Digital is great for

39:27

storing and sharing. But how I handwrite

39:30

notes is put a line right

39:32

down the page, and on the left side I capture,

39:34

on the right side I create. So

39:36

it's kind of like on the left side I take notes,

39:38

on the right side I make notes. So

39:40

on the left side, I could just, how you

39:42

read faster, how you remember names, some of my

39:45

favorite brain foods, whatever. But if your

39:47

attention is going to go, you're going

39:49

to be distracted. I'd rather it be

39:51

distracted on the right side of the page, and we

39:53

write our impressions of what we're capturing. Like

39:56

how does this relate to what I know,

39:58

what questions do I have? When

40:00

am I going to, how am I going to apply this

40:02

information? And it's kind of like

40:04

a left brain, right brain way of taking,

40:06

whole brain way of taking notes. So that's

40:08

being more active, asking questions, taking notes, making

40:11

it more experiential. The

40:14

S and FAST is state. And

40:16

this is, again, as a coach, you

40:19

know, part of my responsibility is to remind people

40:21

what they do when they're doing it really well,

40:24

is that all learning is state dependent. And

40:26

when I say state, I mean the emotional

40:29

mood, right? The mood of your mind and your

40:31

body. Cause we have three

40:34

parts of our brain, but the middle brain,

40:36

you have something that looks like a seahorse,

40:38

which is your hippocampus, which

40:41

primary function is memory. And

40:43

attached to it is an almond shaped part

40:45

of your brain called

40:47

your amygdala, which is kind of like

40:50

a switching station for your emotions. But

40:52

it's interesting how memory and emotions are

40:54

tied, right? Everyone knows this because

40:56

there's probably a song everyone could hear, it could

40:58

take you back to when you're a teenager or

41:01

food or fragrance could take you back to when

41:03

you're a child. So the

41:05

information by itself is very forgettable, but

41:07

information was tied with emotions become unforgettable

41:10

because we're not logical as much as

41:12

we are like biological. You know, you

41:15

think about dopamine and oxytocin, serotonin and

41:17

endorphins. We are this chemical

41:19

feeling soup. But

41:21

think about the emotions most people

41:23

felt sitting in class. I

41:26

think most people would say they were either

41:29

confused or bored and

41:31

boredom is on a scale of

41:33

zero to 10 is like a zero. So

41:36

if it's information times emotion becomes a long

41:38

term memory and boredom or anything times zero

41:40

is zero. So we wonder why we forgot

41:42

things we, like the

41:45

periodic table or whatever. So

41:47

I just want to remind everyone as they're listening

41:49

to this, if they want to get greater fidelity

41:51

and retention and understanding to just

41:54

notice, you could even gamify it on

41:56

a scale of zero to 10, what's

41:58

your emotional state? or excitement or

42:01

motivation. And maybe it's a

42:03

four, you know, and then you could just say, hey,

42:05

what do I need to do to make out a five or six? And

42:09

that makes a big difference. Because

42:11

like right now, most people like if I

42:13

said, sit the way

42:15

you be sitting or stand the way you be standing

42:17

if you're very excited and interested in this conversation and

42:19

people lean forward, they sit up, and

42:22

I ask people like, why do you even have to move? Because

42:24

I feel like, you know, this is such a, this is an interesting

42:26

topic. It's a reminder that we

42:28

have agency and our

42:31

physiology affects our psychology. And it's like

42:34

even sitting in, I'm

42:36

speaking in a town, speaking at a conference. And

42:39

the other day, like I was, I sit in

42:41

a lot of conferences waiting to go on stage,

42:44

the person before me was just putting

42:46

the people to sleep. Like literally

42:48

people were falling asleep. And

42:51

I could say like, okay, this is happening

42:53

to me. Or

42:55

the for me is like, what lesson can I

42:57

learn out of this? And I started to

42:59

get fascinated. I'm like, wow, how does this

43:01

gentleman put all, like hundreds of people to

43:03

sleep at the same time? And I get,

43:05

so I getting curious, because that reminds me

43:08

I have agency that a reminder

43:10

to everyone listening that you

43:12

are a thermostat, you're not a

43:14

thermometer, where the

43:17

role of a thermometer, what does it do? It

43:19

just, it reacts to the

43:21

environment. Whatever the environment is, it reacts to

43:23

it. But a thermostat

43:25

doesn't do that. A thermostat, it

43:27

knows the temperature, it gauges the environment.

43:29

But what does it do? It sets

43:31

a temperature and what happens to the

43:34

environment? The environment reacts to you. And

43:37

so I feel like a big part of

43:39

leadership or being the future belongs to the

43:41

creators is taking that invisible and

43:43

making it more visible than

43:46

the process of this manifestation.

43:50

All right, so that's state. We

43:52

have a to-do list. What if

43:54

we started a to-feel list? Like

43:56

these are three emotions or feelings

43:58

I wanna have. in brief today,

44:01

right? Maybe it's to be more playful or

44:03

understanding. Like a lot of

44:05

times when we're faced with a difficulty or

44:08

a situation or a decision, maybe

44:10

we're stressed. We ask like, oh, what do I need to do? What

44:13

if we took a step back and instead of asking

44:15

ourselves, what do we need to do? Who

44:18

do I need to be? And

44:20

maybe you decide I want to be compassionate.

44:23

And like maybe you have a spirited debate with a loved

44:25

one and you're like, I want to step back and say

44:27

this is what I need to do or say. It's like,

44:30

who do I need to be? Maybe it's compassionate.

44:32

And the behavior is take care of itself, right?

44:35

When you're coming from that place. And

44:37

so having a to be list or

44:39

to feel list, that state. And

44:42

finally, the T in fast to learn

44:44

any subject or skill faster is

44:47

learning it to teach. The T

44:49

is teach. You take advantage of

44:51

something called the explanation effect. I

44:54

mean, imagine everyone listening, you had to give

44:56

a TEDx talk next week about some

44:58

of the highlights of this conversation. You

45:01

would focus differently. You would take better notes,

45:03

right? You would be personally involved and invested.

45:06

And so if you want to learn

45:08

something faster and learning with the intention of sharing

45:11

with somebody else, and I think

45:13

that's what we're here to do. We learn to

45:15

earn some kind of benefit to

45:17

return, right? To be able to,

45:20

everything in nature does that. Everything in nature grows

45:22

or it dies. And everything in

45:24

nature has to contribute to the rest of

45:26

the system, the ecosystem.

45:28

Otherwise it's eliminated.

45:32

Those are incredible

45:34

reflections. And many of

45:36

those stuck out to me for my own

45:38

personal path of this podcast, how it relates

45:40

to how I prepare and take information. And

45:42

especially the S with state, I

45:47

totally can see how emotion and information are

45:49

linked. And I would love for you to

45:52

share some more tips around that because we

45:54

all want to have an incredible memory through

45:56

old age. I

45:59

have found... you have

46:01

to walk through a random alley or

46:03

something and a weird smell just

46:05

hits you and it takes you right back to a

46:08

moment in childhood or something, it's so fascinating how our

46:10

brains work like that. One

46:13

thing that I found personally interesting is

46:15

in the yogic practice in philosophy, every

46:18

asana has a different correlation

46:20

to our energy and our subtle body. And

46:23

so one of the reasons why I sit

46:25

like this throughout each podcast is because when

46:27

you put your left heel on your perineum,

46:30

I learned this from Sadhguru, it kind of

46:32

activates your ability to recall information and be

46:34

very present and allow

46:37

wisdom to flow through at a deeper place.

46:39

So I'm so fascinated, all these little things

46:42

that once you know, you've done applied everything

46:44

that you do and when you do it,

46:46

and it fundamentally changes your output, your capacity.

46:50

And so any reflections there and how also

46:52

we can link that

46:54

realization about information and emotion

46:57

being tied together to improve our

46:59

memory. Yeah, so emotion again is

47:01

it activates, it makes things more

47:03

memorable. Right, and

47:06

we can try and remind everybody that

47:09

we can control our influence, how

47:11

we feel. And

47:14

part of it, a number of different ways. Part

47:16

of it is our physiology, like our breathing

47:18

pattern, how we use our body, how

47:20

well we take care of our body. I

47:23

mean, just imagine you

47:26

are gifted when you're able to drive

47:28

a car, brand new car, but

47:30

this is the only car, it's free of charge, but

47:32

it's the only car you could have for the rest

47:34

of your life. How well would you treat that car?

47:37

How well would you maintain that car? Well,

47:39

we're born, we have this

47:42

body, and part of that body is a brain. And

47:45

how well are we maintaining it? Because it's the vehicle

47:48

we have to go through life with. Unfortunately,

47:51

the brain doesn't come with an owner's

47:53

manual. And like

47:56

you buy something, it gives you instructions on how to

47:58

use it. But it's... It's

48:00

not always user friendly. And I think going back to

48:02

just if you go on and improve their self-esteem

48:05

or self-worth, just study your brain

48:07

or your physiology. I just feel

48:09

like it's so fascinating to me.

48:12

It's like the most complex device

48:14

in the known universe and it

48:16

can improve your self-esteem overnight just

48:18

how magnificent it is. And

48:21

I feel like we use a small percentage of its

48:23

potential, meaning

48:26

we use all our brain, not like we use

48:28

all our body, but some people just use it

48:30

more effectively and more elegantly than others

48:32

because it's trained. And

48:35

part of understanding our physiology is

48:37

understanding our feelings. And I feel

48:39

like part of that is determining

48:41

our focus. Gratitude

48:43

is very grounding for me. That's part

48:45

of my morning and evening routine to

48:47

get in that parasympathetic rest and digest.

48:50

And I think we can do these

48:52

thought experiments to allow us to feel

48:55

the emotion of gratitude. What

48:58

if the... And people could just meditate

49:00

on this. What if the only things

49:02

you had in your life tomorrow were

49:04

the things you expressed gratitude for today?

49:08

Or if people in a true feel

49:10

truly wealthy, write

49:12

down all the things you have in your life that

49:15

money couldn't buy. And

49:17

we don't have to wait for a greater

49:19

life to feel grateful. We

49:21

could feel grateful and have a

49:23

greater life automatically. And

49:26

I think gratitude is just a very

49:28

high vibe vibration that allows

49:31

you to kind of build abundance in

49:33

different areas. But we could choose. Going

49:36

back to choice, right? We

49:39

have the choice in these decisions that we can make

49:41

part of us, what things to focus on, what things

49:44

mean to us, how we're going to feel, how we're

49:46

going to show up for ourselves

49:48

and other people. So asking

49:51

those questions, like what can I be grateful

49:53

for in this moment? Your

49:55

questions is like what's even like

49:58

what's exciting? What are

50:00

you looking forward to? These are questions that

50:02

we often don't ask consciously. And

50:05

the more we do that, the more we

50:07

train and can direct our focus and where

50:09

our focus goes is where the energy is

50:11

flowing and how it determines how we feel.

50:14

Also determining not only what the

50:16

focus is on, but what they mean. Just like

50:18

how you said, is this happening to you or is it

50:20

happening for you? And then

50:22

automatically, even just saying it out loud just feels

50:24

different. A lot of

50:26

times we find ourselves saying, oh man, I gotta pick

50:29

up the kids, I gotta study today, I gotta work

50:31

out. And we don't check ourselves.

50:33

We're like, again, we're in that self hypnosis

50:36

and a part of it is transcending, ending

50:38

the trance. Maybe it's not I

50:41

got to, but maybe I get to. I

50:43

get to work out today, I get to meditate

50:45

today, I get to journal or eat

50:48

these delicious nutritious foods. And changing

50:50

that one vowel from O to

50:52

E, got to get, it

50:55

just lands, at least for me, it lands differently.

50:57

And it changes how I feel. And

51:00

so adding emotion to learning

51:02

is so essential because

51:05

again, we tend to forget the ordinary

51:07

and we remember the extraordinary. And

51:10

using the power of our imagination, it's

51:12

such a wonderful way to learn faster when we

51:14

can use more of our senses, we can see it

51:17

and feel it and smell it and taste

51:19

it and also make

51:21

it in a way where we could

51:23

represent, we could represent the information inside

51:25

of our mind like a name

51:28

is very ordinary, a number is very ordinary, a factor

51:30

figure is very ordinary, but if you can make it

51:32

more extraordinary inside your mind, make

51:34

it playful, make some action, make it a

51:36

little bit humorous, then it becomes more memorable.

51:38

Like even remembering names, right? I think

51:42

it's important to be able to remember because

51:45

how are you gonna show somebody you're gonna care for their

51:47

future, their wellness, their family, whatever you have to offer them

51:49

if you don't care enough just to remember their name, right?

51:52

And so like, you meet somebody named

51:54

Mark and what if you did this,

51:56

not experiment, just imagine putting a check mark on the forehead,

51:58

something so silly and chime. But

52:01

remember, who are the fastest learners?

52:03

Like children, right? And

52:05

they're playful. They really make mistakes. They make fun

52:07

of things. If someone's name is Mike, imagine them

52:10

singing on a microphone for a split second. And

52:12

when you're saying goodbye to them 30 minutes later,

52:14

you're like, what was that person doing? Oh, they

52:16

were sitting on the microphone with their name Mike,

52:18

right? And not that you're

52:21

sharing this information with the person, but

52:23

it's a way of overcoming what I call the

52:25

six-second syndrome. Somebody tells you something, you

52:27

have six seconds to do something with it. Otherwise

52:30

it's gone in the ether. And

52:32

this, even when it doesn't work, it still works. It gets

52:34

you to focus on the person. It gets

52:37

you to focus on the thing you want

52:39

to remember, like their name. So if a

52:41

person's name is Mary, I just imagine they're

52:43

getting married, right? Something silly. Or Carol, they're

52:45

singing Christmas carols or Bob,

52:47

they're bobbing for apples. Something so silly.

52:49

But it keeps it entertaining in my

52:52

mind and it gives you my agency

52:54

back. I don't have to

52:56

just do be student ordinary,

52:58

I can make something more extraordinary. And

53:00

I think that's the power of the

53:02

mind, truly being limitless. And

53:05

so you can entertain yourself. And I think one

53:07

of the fastest ways to learn something is education

53:09

by itself is kind of boring,

53:12

but it's nutritious. And it's

53:15

kind of like something that's nutritious, but maybe

53:17

it doesn't taste that good. And

53:19

entertainment tastes good, but it's not just

53:21

like candy. Maybe

53:25

it's case good, but it's not good for you. But if

53:27

you can meld the two and take

53:29

education, so it's nutritious and delicious, then

53:31

you have the 30, which is empowerment.

53:34

And I think that's really one of the goals

53:36

is to be able to take information. And I

53:38

just want to remind everyone who's listening that knowledge,

53:42

it's a myth that knowledge by itself is power, right?

53:44

A lot of people know stuff, but their life is

53:46

no better because of it. A lot of people read

53:48

a book, but if they don't act

53:51

on what they've learned, their life

53:53

fundamentally is no different than somebody who is

53:55

illiterate, who couldn't read that book to begin

53:57

with. So I just want to remind, I feel

53:59

like that for every hour someone spends listening

54:02

to something or reading something, maybe

54:05

have a rule where they have to put

54:07

an equal hour into applying what they learn.

54:10

You know, because I feel like the life again

54:12

that we live are the lessons that we teach,

54:15

but it doesn't, we have to go through this

54:17

be, do, have, share process, right?

54:19

A lot of people want to jump

54:21

to the have part when it's more

54:23

the being and the doing. It's

54:26

so cool to see you apply your own principles

54:28

as you teach and share this, even with all

54:30

the different acronyms and everything, because I feel like

54:32

it really lands. And like,

54:34

I'm remembering everything that you're sharing as

54:36

well. It's pretty meta.

54:39

Yeah, it is. But

54:42

I love all the reflections about how

54:44

important our perception fundamentally is, and how

54:46

we look at things in the

54:48

world, how they're happening to us for us. And

54:51

I feel like we do live in a society

54:53

that really propagates comparison.

54:57

And I love how you give

55:00

this distinction between thinking, how smart

55:02

am I to how am

55:04

I smart? And the different ways

55:06

in which intelligence manifests itself. So

55:09

I would love for you to share any words of empowerment

55:11

and reflect on that, because I think

55:13

it really does activate people to

55:16

really own the way in which they're

55:18

intelligent. This

55:20

is a great conversation. So

55:24

I've imagined, so we

55:26

have a largest Academy of accelerated learning,

55:28

you know, in the world, we have students

55:30

in 195 nations, so we get a lot

55:32

of feedback. And I realized after

55:34

three decades of teaching this, that it's not like

55:36

I'm in my 50s. And so I'm

55:38

in that kind of stage where I'm doing

55:41

a lot of reflection, getting a lot of feedback. And

55:44

I realized that not everything is for everybody. Like

55:46

everybody is a little bit different, right? And

55:49

it's not how smart you are. It's really how

55:51

are you smart? And

55:53

we all have different ways of learning and some techniques

55:55

don't necessarily work for everybody, you know,

55:57

the same way, just like some foods,

55:59

everyone's a little bit You're in

56:02

relationships, not everyone's looking for the same thing. And we

56:04

all, just like there's love languages,

56:06

there's also a language of the brain.

56:09

And it's kind of like if you are

56:11

right-handed that your dominant hand, this means you

56:13

don't use your left hand. It's

56:15

just when you're using it, you have more

56:17

grace, it's more comfortable, you're more effective,

56:20

takes less time. When you

56:22

use your opposite hand, like if I asked everyone

56:24

to write their name with their opposite hand, it

56:26

would take longer, maybe you feel

56:28

a little bit uncomfortable, maybe the quality

56:30

wouldn't be quite as good. And sometimes when we're

56:32

learning something, it's like we're trying to

56:34

learn it with the opposite hand. Even

56:37

if it's a subject we're interested in, I imagine

56:40

some people listening, they're interested in a topic for

56:42

some reason they're not getting it, but

56:44

maybe you're trying to learn it with the

56:46

opposite hand so it takes longer and it

56:48

feels uncomfortable and the quality is not quite

56:50

as good. It's kind of like

56:52

the way you prefer to learn something is different

56:54

than the way the teacher is teaching it and

56:57

it's like you're two ships in the night and

56:59

you pass each other and you don't even realize

57:01

and recognize the other one's there. There's

57:03

no connection, right? And

57:05

so I gave a lot of thought into

57:08

this and years ago I created an assessment

57:10

for your brain to see

57:13

what your dominant brain type will be.

57:16

And it just takes four minutes. It's in

57:18

the book Limitless. We also have it online.

57:20

We'll link that below as well for people.

57:23

Yeah, mybrainanimal.com. And

57:25

when you go through it, it just

57:28

kind of like which Harry Potter character are you,

57:30

which Game of Thrones character, that kind of thing,

57:33

it gives you understanding to

57:35

know thyself better, right? And

57:37

I'll just go through it really quickly. So

57:40

it's a brain code. I use a lot

57:42

of acronyms as a shortcut. C-O-D-E, these are

57:44

the animals. And so the

57:46

C is the cheetah.

57:48

Now I pulled from personality types

57:50

like Myers-Briggs, left brain, right brain

57:53

dominance, visual auditory, kinesthetic learning styles,

57:55

multiple intelligence theory out of Harvard,

57:57

introvert, extrovert, I call from a

57:59

lot of... frameworks to create

58:01

this. But once you understand your brain

58:03

animal, it just makes everything easier because

58:05

we give people prescriptions just like there's

58:08

personalized medicine based on your genetic

58:10

test or personalized nutrition based on

58:13

a microbiome test or nutrient profile

58:15

test. This is like personalized learning

58:18

and training development based on

58:20

a formative

58:22

assessment. So the

58:24

C are your cheetahs and their primary

58:26

trade is action. So

58:28

cheetahs as the fastest animals on

58:31

the planet, they thrive in fast-paced

58:33

environments. They adapt very quickly. They

58:35

have very strong instincts

58:37

and intuition. The

58:39

O in code stands for

58:41

your owls and their dominant

58:43

trade is logic. They love data. They

58:45

love facts and figures and formulas. Now

58:49

just even thinking about it, those two people would

58:51

buy differently. They would learn differently. They would relate,

58:54

communicate differently. The

58:56

D in code are your dolphins

58:59

and their dominant trade is

59:01

their creativity. These are

59:03

people that could see maybe they have a

59:05

business. They could see they have a vision

59:08

for their business or their future. They're

59:10

very passionate behind that vision also as

59:13

well. They're great at pattern recognition. And

59:16

finally the E in code are your elephants and

59:19

your elephants dominant trade is empathy. These

59:22

are people who are your community

59:25

builders. They bring people together. They

59:27

want people to feel seen. They want people to

59:29

feel heard. They use

59:31

words. Even in their language you

59:34

could tell. They would

59:36

use less of I and my. They would use

59:38

more inclusive words like we or us. So

59:42

it would reflect in their communication

59:45

and also their criteria for learning

59:47

because if you're going to teach someone how

59:49

to read better, not only speed

59:51

but understanding and focus, each

59:54

of them have a different way because of their

59:56

dominant brain traits to learn. And

59:59

so we get people. people kind of formula

1:00:01

and you see this, like we had

1:00:03

our team go through this

1:00:05

assessment and our

1:00:07

customer service team, 100% of them are elephants. And

1:00:12

we didn't even sort for that because people will

1:00:15

go to their strengths. They'll find

1:00:17

a role or responsibility where it's their

1:00:19

element, right? And our customers

1:00:21

are saying they're elephants because they have high

1:00:23

empathy, they're compassionate, they want people to feel

1:00:26

seen and heard. They want

1:00:28

to build our community. My business

1:00:30

partner of 17, 18 years, she's our CEO,

1:00:32

she's a dolphin. She

1:00:35

has this vision for

1:00:37

our mission. She holds that constant and

1:00:39

communicates it. Our CFO,

1:00:41

our financial officer, is an owl. He

1:00:45

loves numbers. He's always looking at the

1:00:47

data. And so it's

1:00:49

interesting how it shows up. It's even

1:00:52

in pop culture. You could take any

1:00:54

Star Trek, like

1:00:56

Captain curtain is like the cheetah just

1:00:58

goes into action. Spock would be the

1:01:00

owl, right? Or friends, you

1:01:03

would have Phoebe who's the creative musician,

1:01:05

right? The dolphin. Or

1:01:07

Ross is the professor or scientist.

1:01:10

So he's the owl. Joey is just

1:01:12

ax. Doesn't think about it, just acts.

1:01:16

So he's the cheetah. Monica

1:01:19

hosts everything and wants to be the

1:01:21

center for her friend group and she's

1:01:23

the elephant. So once you

1:01:25

understand how you, again,

1:01:27

it's not how smart you are, it's how are you

1:01:29

smart. And in school, they

1:01:31

don't, if you even look

1:01:34

at SATs, it's like verbal and

1:01:36

mathematical. And it's like,

1:01:38

these are the things that are valued. But

1:01:42

multiple intelligence theory, Howard Gardner's

1:01:44

work at Harvard says there's

1:01:47

many more kinds of intelligence. Like

1:01:49

what about musical intelligence, kinesthetic, physical

1:01:51

intelligence, interpersonal intelligence, people are great

1:01:54

with people, interrupt personal intelligence, you

1:01:56

know, self to self, visual

1:01:59

spatial intelligence. People are great

1:02:01

artists or graphic designers. The

1:02:03

idea here is that your memory or

1:02:05

your brain performance or your IQ, it's

1:02:07

not fixed like your shoe size. Because

1:02:10

of things that you've talked about on

1:02:12

your show, things like neuroplasticity and neurogenesis,

1:02:15

we could grow older, but in a lot of ways

1:02:17

we could grow wiser. We can make new connections through

1:02:19

novelty. It's like building a muscle. You

1:02:22

give it physical muscles, you give it novelty, you

1:02:24

work it out, and you give it nutrition. The

1:02:27

same thing with your mental muscles.

1:02:29

Neuroplasticity, the brain's amazing phenomenon to

1:02:31

be able to adapt and make

1:02:33

new connections. The whole idea

1:02:36

of these neurons that fare together, they

1:02:38

wire together, is stimulus.

1:02:41

That's why learning is so very important,

1:02:44

exposing yourself to new ideas and insights,

1:02:46

and then giving yourself the rubber nutrition to be

1:02:49

able to feed that mental muscle. I

1:02:51

love that. Thank you for sharing all that.

1:02:53

It's also a helpful context for

1:02:56

me as building a team. I know you

1:02:58

work with so many Fortune 500 companies and

1:03:00

implement this as well throughout that. I'm

1:03:02

thinking for my own team of how Chelsea behind the

1:03:04

scenes, she's very much so elephant with

1:03:07

the empath and also dolphin, the creative. I

1:03:10

see that within myself too.

1:03:12

It's cool to, obviously you want

1:03:14

a CFO to be more of an owl. Yeah,

1:03:17

of course. We're not

1:03:19

any one thing. Obviously there's a blend. Again,

1:03:23

if you're right-handed, it doesn't mean you don't use your

1:03:25

left hand. It's your natural

1:03:27

strength. It's interesting to

1:03:29

know what your significant other is or

1:03:31

your teammates are because it takes a

1:03:34

judgment out. Once

1:03:36

you understand more about yourself, it

1:03:38

takes away the self-judgment, but also

1:03:40

the judgment we have imposed on

1:03:42

other people. It

1:03:44

just explains their behavior more. I

1:03:47

feel like that's very powerful to build

1:03:49

a team where people are sitting in

1:03:51

the right seats of

1:03:53

themselves where they found more of

1:03:56

their passion and more of their purpose because they're

1:03:58

playing to their strength and their role. and

1:04:00

natural abilities. Yeah. It's kind

1:04:02

of like love languages, but we're learning.

1:04:04

Exactly. That's exactly that's well put. Yeah.

1:04:07

And that informs how we approach all those relationships too.

1:04:09

It's like, we want to love people how we want

1:04:11

to be loved, but it doesn't work out like that.

1:04:13

Yeah. It's even how people communicate. If you're

1:04:15

a cheetah, a lot of cheetahs, they'll be right to

1:04:17

the point. They don't beat around the bush because time

1:04:19

is of the essence. You know,

1:04:22

it's how we'll also speak more

1:04:24

with facts and data and a

1:04:26

very logical sequence. Dolphins will

1:04:28

talk about the future. And you would influence these

1:04:30

people are marketed. For those of you who

1:04:32

have a role of selling or business development,

1:04:35

you know, the owl will need that data,

1:04:37

the case studies, right? The

1:04:40

proof, you know, but

1:04:42

in elephant, that's nice. But

1:04:45

they would, the relationship is more important to them. The

1:04:47

trust that you have, the bond that

1:04:50

you have, the transparency and authenticity. You

1:04:52

know, for dolphin, if you could

1:04:54

talk about their future and how your

1:04:57

product or service fits in their future,

1:04:59

they're gonna be more understanding receptive to

1:05:01

it. So it really informs

1:05:03

how you could parent, how you could hire,

1:05:05

how you could relate. Specifically

1:05:08

when people take this assessment, we give

1:05:10

them strategies, follow up strategies for free.

1:05:12

And there's nothing there to

1:05:15

purchase. It's just, we give them ideas on

1:05:17

how to read better, focus better, remember better

1:05:19

based on their brain animal. Yeah,

1:05:22

it's fun. And then people could post it,

1:05:24

like take a screenshot because we give you this AIR.

1:05:26

They could post it, tag you and I, I'm

1:05:28

curious like your community,

1:05:31

if there's a dominant animal

1:05:33

type within the community. I would love to

1:05:35

see that. What kind of

1:05:37

zoo we build in here, fam? Yeah, and then if

1:05:39

you tag us, we'll see it and I'll repost some

1:05:41

of them and we'll gift out a few copies then

1:05:44

random to the limit list to your tribe.

1:05:47

Cool, cool, cool. Amazing,

1:05:49

so you actually, I mean,

1:05:52

you briefly mentioned AI. I'm curious your thoughts,

1:05:54

because I just did the super long podcast

1:05:56

about becoming transhumanism and

1:05:58

AI that's coming. and is already

1:06:00

here in so many different ways. I

1:06:03

love welcoming this incredible new technology, but

1:06:05

in many ways it can just do

1:06:07

the thinking for us and write papers

1:06:09

and essays for us in school. And

1:06:13

how do you navigate and what are your thoughts on AI

1:06:15

and welcoming the technology as it's for

1:06:18

so much of its usefulness, but not

1:06:20

allowing it to really atrophy different parts

1:06:22

of our brain where we would have

1:06:24

to use that. We would

1:06:27

have to use our brain in cognitive capacities in

1:06:29

that aspect. So any thoughts there? Yes,

1:06:31

so I mentioned there four horsemen of the

1:06:33

mental apocalypse, and we mentioned two of them,

1:06:36

digital distraction, digital deluge, the overload.

1:06:39

The other two relates to this a lot.

1:06:42

One is a digital dementia. Digital

1:06:44

dementia is the high reliance on technology to

1:06:46

remember things for you. So you don't like

1:06:48

our phones, they're like external

1:06:50

hard drives. You

1:06:53

don't have to remember your to-dos, it's in your

1:06:55

phone. You don't have to remember your schedule, it's

1:06:57

in your calendar, phone. You

1:07:00

don't have to remember phone numbers. I mean, how many phone

1:07:02

numbers did you know growing up compared

1:07:04

to how many phone numbers we know now? That's

1:07:06

something called digital dementia. It's a term in

1:07:08

healthcare that says the high reliance on technology

1:07:11

to remember things, your brain is like

1:07:13

a muscle, it's use it or lose it. And

1:07:15

again, I don't wanna memorize 500

1:07:17

phone numbers, but it should be concerning

1:07:19

we've lost ability to remember one phone number or a

1:07:22

PIN number or a passcode or a seed phrase or

1:07:24

something we just read or something we just heard, something

1:07:26

we're gonna do or a meeting we're gonna have or

1:07:28

someone's name. And

1:07:30

I believe two of the most costly words in life sometimes are I forgot.

1:07:32

I forgot to do it, I forgot to bring it, I forgot what I

1:07:34

was gonna say, I forgot what it said to me,

1:07:36

I forgot to go there, forgot the person's name, whatever.

1:07:39

On the other side, your memory could be

1:07:42

a big multiplier when you could easily remember

1:07:44

facts and figures, client information, product information, speeches

1:07:46

without notes, foreign language, and life just gets

1:07:48

easier, right? So that's

1:07:50

the third one. And the fourth

1:07:52

one, horseman, besides digital distraction, digital

1:07:55

dilution, digital dementias, digital, what I

1:07:57

term digital deduction. Or

1:07:59

technologies. algorithms is doing a thinking

1:08:01

for us. And again, I

1:08:03

technology is wonderful. It's just how it's

1:08:05

applied, right? Fire is an

1:08:08

early form of technology. Fire could cook your

1:08:10

food or fire could burn down your home,

1:08:12

right? It's just how it's used. And,

1:08:15

and so I love technology, it allows this to

1:08:17

happen, right? But the challenge

1:08:19

is if we're too dependent on it, it's

1:08:22

like if you, if you

1:08:24

if you if you your office on the fourth

1:08:26

floor, your apartment's on the fourth floor, and you

1:08:29

take the elevator each time, then you don't get

1:08:31

you don't get the workout to do the stairs,

1:08:33

right? Or if you go into the bank and

1:08:36

say blocks away, and you're taking Uber or you

1:08:38

drive, and when you can cut your steps, and

1:08:40

it's convenient, technology is convenient, that's a form of

1:08:42

technology, an elevator or an automobile, but

1:08:45

then we don't get the balance of, you know,

1:08:47

being physically active. And if you

1:08:49

put your arm in a cast for a year, some

1:08:51

kind of sling or whatever, it wouldn't grow stronger, it

1:08:53

wouldn't even stay the same, it would atrophy.

1:08:56

And that's what's going on with our brain. When

1:08:58

you think about even something simple, and we'll get

1:09:00

into AI, like getting from here to there,

1:09:03

like we don't have there was a study done Oxford

1:09:05

with with tax London

1:09:08

taxi drivers, they would have to memorize like

1:09:10

all the roads, right? And that part of

1:09:12

their brain was very highly connected and dense.

1:09:15

But with technology now telling you where to

1:09:18

go, you don't have to think so we're

1:09:20

not building our visual spatial intelligence as we

1:09:22

once had, right. And so

1:09:24

I'm all for technology. And I

1:09:26

feel like we

1:09:29

have to make a decision on how much we're

1:09:31

gonna, you know, be active. Like

1:09:34

we're like our bodies going to AI,

1:09:36

we did a whole chapter in Limitless

1:09:38

on what I

1:09:40

wanted to do is answer this question,

1:09:43

how can AI enhance a chai, human

1:09:45

intelligence, and I don't look

1:09:48

at it as artificial intelligence as much

1:09:50

as I do augmented intelligence. I

1:09:52

feel like technology is there to support us to be a potential

1:09:56

tool. And just remember technology is

1:09:58

a tool for us to. to use, but

1:10:00

if the technology is using us, then

1:10:03

we become the tool, right? If we're just like

1:10:05

addicted to our phones and picking up after boredom,

1:10:07

you know, just because we're bored, then it's using

1:10:10

us. And that's not probably the most effective way

1:10:12

of using it. But we have

1:10:14

choice. Like, who am I to say, like, don't

1:10:16

do this, but it's just, you know, is it

1:10:18

getting you closer to what you value and lights

1:10:20

you up? So different ways

1:10:22

I use AI

1:10:24

and the team uses AI to

1:10:26

learn faster. Things

1:10:28

like I mentioned neuroplasticity, people could

1:10:31

go into an AI chat

1:10:33

GPT or something and say, explain to me

1:10:35

neuroplasticity as if I am nine years old,

1:10:37

right? That would be a fun way to

1:10:39

learning, build some kind of foundation. Every

1:10:42

principle I talk about in

1:10:44

limitless from space repetition to

1:10:46

retrieval practice, you could mind

1:10:48

mapping memory palaces, AI can help support

1:10:51

you in that, right? So memory palaces

1:10:53

is a way, because I was really

1:10:55

curious, not only modern ways of learning

1:10:58

based on neuroscience, but ancient cultures. And

1:11:00

I wrote the chapter of memory as

1:11:02

the largest chapter in limitless. And I

1:11:04

wrote that in Greece. And

1:11:07

because I found out there's a goddess of

1:11:09

memory, and her children are the

1:11:12

nine muses of arts, science

1:11:14

and literature. And I was

1:11:16

like, wow, art, science, literature, the mother

1:11:18

is memory, right? So I wrote about

1:11:20

the muses to on a Steven Pressfield

1:11:22

podcast. Beautiful. Yeah, I'm a big fan

1:11:24

and father of his work. And

1:11:27

so like, when I was there in that

1:11:29

spirit, and I found out that

1:11:31

there was a 2500 year old memory technique

1:11:35

attributed to Simonides, who was a poet and

1:11:37

orator in Greece, and he

1:11:40

would give this, you know, a reading and

1:11:42

when he left something tragic happened, the building

1:11:44

collapsed and no one survived. And he had

1:11:46

the because he was the only survivor, he

1:11:48

had the responsibility of helping family members identify

1:11:50

their loved ones. And

1:11:52

he was able to do that because he remembered

1:11:54

where they were all sitting. And I bet a

1:11:56

lot of people listening if they think about a

1:11:58

recent dinner party or They remember who was

1:12:01

to the left and right and we store

1:12:03

things in our environment, right? Because as

1:12:05

hunter-gatherers, we didn't need to remember facts

1:12:07

and figures. We need to remember where

1:12:09

things were, are. Like

1:12:11

where's the fertile soil? Where's the clean water? Where's

1:12:13

the enemy tribe? That was our survival. So

1:12:16

we store information consciously and unconsciously in

1:12:18

our environment. So memory palace is

1:12:20

a technique we talk about in Limitless and

1:12:23

in our podcast about taking areas you're familiar

1:12:25

with, maybe your office, your school, your home,

1:12:27

your body, and storing the information you want

1:12:29

to remember in those places, right? And you

1:12:32

just kind of walk through your palace in

1:12:34

your mind and it reminds you. And

1:12:37

if you've seen Sherlock Holmes use the memory palace and

1:12:39

it's used a lot in different places, that's

1:12:41

a wonderful way to store and immense

1:12:43

amount of information in a short period

1:12:46

of time. Now you could use AI to say, hey,

1:12:49

this is what I'm learning. Can you build me a

1:12:51

memory palace to learn this? Or if you learn about

1:12:53

mind mapping, which is a very creative whole brain note

1:12:55

taking care of, you could say like, hey, I want

1:12:57

to mind map this and it'll create a structure for

1:12:59

you. If you want to use

1:13:01

space repetition, it could create personalized learning AI.

1:13:04

Like we have a black bot in our

1:13:06

program where we've fed it all

1:13:08

of our training and so it's there to be

1:13:10

able to answer your question. So the future belongs

1:13:12

like personalized learning, right? Being

1:13:14

based around their brain type, their

1:13:17

animal, and so much more. The

1:13:19

frequency of how much

1:13:21

they want to learn over what period

1:13:23

of time, frequency, duration, intensity. You can

1:13:25

build it out like that. We

1:13:27

have a podcast and sometimes if

1:13:29

I'm interviewing an expert and they are

1:13:31

an author, I like to read books

1:13:34

physically as opposed to on screen. I

1:13:36

don't need to excuse to be on a screen. So I'm kind

1:13:38

of like trying to

1:13:40

these kind of scaffolding for me to get

1:13:42

through. But if I don't get the book

1:13:44

in time, I could go in and go

1:13:46

into AI part of saying, can you summarize

1:13:48

this book? Or can you ask 10, what

1:13:52

are 10, can you suggest 10

1:13:54

thoughtful questions that this expert hasn't

1:13:56

been asked before specifically for this

1:13:58

kind of audience? And not

1:14:00

that I use anything for beta, but it would be

1:14:02

a nice creative partner for you.

1:14:04

You could use that too for this podcast a couple

1:14:06

times, and I'm gonna mention that on time just to

1:14:08

see if anything's inspiring off it. Yeah,

1:14:10

and you could build on it. So it's a

1:14:13

wonderful, so AI is a wonderful way to improve

1:14:15

your HI by using the Feynman

1:14:17

technique or including this to me as

1:14:19

if I'm eight years old, building memory

1:14:21

palaces, mind mapping, quizzing

1:14:24

yourself. I think that's

1:14:26

the retrieval practice. That's three parts your

1:14:28

memory, you encode, you store and then

1:14:30

you retrieve, and just train yourself to

1:14:32

retrieve information, pull it out to see

1:14:34

if it's really there. Helps you to

1:14:36

retain information better, but they

1:14:38

can provide questions for you from a specific

1:14:41

topic, the quiz, to see how much comprehension

1:14:43

you actually have about a subject matter. So

1:14:46

it can do personalized learning and schedules

1:14:48

and really kind of tailor it around

1:14:50

your outcomes. I'm very

1:14:52

optimistic about technology. I'm

1:14:55

glad you are. I too am,

1:14:57

but I also see, I think, is

1:14:59

it Wally where there's just all those

1:15:01

super fat people and floating wheelchairs that

1:15:03

just are plugged into the matrix essentially?

1:15:06

That's the dystopic route. That's

1:15:09

why it's just us taking

1:15:11

care of ourselves. So

1:15:13

yeah, physically and mentally, Wally painted

1:15:15

a picture where we're so dependent. And

1:15:18

some would say we're heading there. And

1:15:20

I think it comes back to personal agency, realizing

1:15:23

that technology can make your life more convenient,

1:15:25

but it would also cripple us. And

1:15:28

so I feel like we always have responsibility

1:15:30

and illnesses on us to be

1:15:32

healthy and fit. Incredible. Jim,

1:15:34

I've thoroughly enjoyed and loved this

1:15:36

conversation. I have some rapid fire questions for you

1:15:38

to start to close out. So you can answer

1:15:40

these in one sentence. If you want to expand

1:15:42

a little bit, definitely feel free to

1:15:44

and we'll go from there. Cool. What

1:15:47

is the difference between knowledge and wisdom? All

1:15:50

right, so I feel like knowledge is, knowledge

1:15:55

is what is. I think imagination is

1:15:57

part of wisdom. So imagination really could be

1:15:59

what. could be so I think there's

1:16:01

a lot of Nonsense and

1:16:03

imagination is more powerful than knowledge. I

1:16:06

think wisdom is really the application of Of

1:16:10

the knowledge that we know we have and

1:16:12

I feel like still things we can

1:16:14

only make good decisions based on our knowledge base

1:16:17

But I think wisdom is the actual experience and

1:16:19

expression of how we use utilize that and

1:16:21

knowledge What are three

1:16:24

top tips for shaping

1:16:26

our environment to be conducive to

1:16:28

cognitive ability? And emotional well-being yeah,

1:16:31

so your external world that reflects

1:16:33

your is a reflection of your internal

1:16:35

world People know this when you clean off your desk or

1:16:37

you put everything in the right folder on your computer You

1:16:39

have clarity of thought and so Marie

1:16:41

Kondo your mind by taking care of your environment

1:16:44

for sure the

1:16:46

environment definitely has an effect

1:16:48

on On your brain so

1:16:50

like little things like we had to just

1:16:52

did a podcast of Clean

1:16:55

air because people don't realize the amount

1:16:57

of neurotoxins there are in an environment

1:17:00

And they say the average woman has over 200 chemicals

1:17:02

before leaving the house their personal

1:17:05

care products or perfumes I

1:17:07

mean candles the off-gassing of new

1:17:09

furniture or carpeting so

1:17:11

clean environment I think it's very important not

1:17:14

just through air but also Lighting

1:17:16

a lot of a lot of offices and schools

1:17:18

have that fluorescent lighting which has been shown

1:17:22

even in animal studies Your

1:17:24

eyes are only part of your brain that are that's outside

1:17:27

your skull And they can

1:17:29

make lead to fatigue and anxiety they use

1:17:31

it in these places because it's cheap but

1:17:34

clean clean lighting Clean

1:17:37

emf's right like I mean we

1:17:39

could we've done multiple episodes ourselves

1:17:41

on we just don't know The

1:17:44

electromagnetic fields coming off our devices and most

1:17:46

of them are have had like this close

1:17:48

to their your brain your brain is Bioelectrical

1:17:50

you know like in a lot of kids

1:17:52

they sleep with their their phones

1:17:54

underneath their pillows And we just don't know the long-term

1:17:56

effects of that so these are just

1:17:58

little things you could do for your environment, I

1:18:01

would include in this the people you spend time with. Because

1:18:04

who you spend time with is who you become.

1:18:06

We have these mirror neurons as part of our

1:18:08

nervous system where we imitate people around us. It

1:18:11

also allows us to have empathy. So we

1:18:13

tend to, I would say watch, which is of

1:18:16

course an acronym. We tend to mirror the words,

1:18:19

the actions, the thoughts, the character and the habits of

1:18:21

the people we spend time with. So it's not just

1:18:23

our biological networks, our neurological

1:18:25

networks, it's our social networks. If

1:18:28

your friends smoke, you're more likely to smoke. If your friends do

1:18:30

yoga, you're more likely to eat yoga. If they meditate,

1:18:32

they work out, they eat right, you're more likely to

1:18:34

do that. And so I think a big

1:18:37

part of our environment are the people we spend time with. They

1:18:40

say, if you're just going to be careful if

1:18:43

you're around nine, broke people because you're going to

1:18:45

be number 10, right? Because we're going to adopt

1:18:47

and adapt their standards and their habits and their

1:18:49

thought processes. So yeah,

1:18:51

take care of your environment.

1:18:53

Incredible. So air, EMF,

1:18:57

friend group. Yeah, there's

1:18:59

a bunch. We could go down a rabbit

1:19:01

hole just on our environment. Yeah, I mean,

1:19:03

it's literally everything that we're living in. But

1:19:05

the principle is just your external world is

1:19:07

a reflection of your internal world. So, you

1:19:09

know, if everything's

1:19:11

messing out of place, whatever, then it's friends

1:19:13

definitely having an effect. Amazing. You

1:19:16

answered this earlier, so you can give the same answer or change

1:19:18

it if you want. But if you were to

1:19:20

be transported back to your 10 year old self, what

1:19:22

piece of advice or what would you share with them?

1:19:25

Yeah, besides that, reminding them

1:19:27

that they're responsible and that

1:19:29

everything's figureoutable. You

1:19:32

know, in my nine, 10 year old, it was just

1:19:34

kind of a dark place. You

1:19:38

know, not having, you know,

1:19:40

friendships and, you know, the teasing and the

1:19:42

bullying and just not understanding. So it was

1:19:44

a lot of, I would escape in comic

1:19:47

books or video games, whatever, because that would

1:19:49

allow me to just have some kind of

1:19:51

peace. Probably

1:19:54

the thing I would say is that you

1:19:56

are enough because I feel like that was

1:19:58

the biggest challenge that I had. growing up.

1:20:01

I felt like I was broken. That was

1:20:03

my identity. And just reminding that child that

1:20:08

no matter what you're going through, there's a

1:20:10

reason. Can we get better or we can

1:20:13

get better? What do

1:20:15

you feel is the most current, enduring

1:20:17

failure of the education system as it

1:20:19

stands today? Goodness.

1:20:24

All right. So there's

1:20:26

this idea that Rip Van Winkle and the guy

1:20:29

who slept for decades, if he woke up today,

1:20:31

the only thing he would recognize in our world

1:20:33

are our classrooms. You know, the

1:20:35

world, we live in an age of autonomous electric cars,

1:20:37

spaceships that are going to Mars, but our vehicle of

1:20:39

choice when it comes to education is often like a

1:20:41

horse and buggy. And it's

1:20:44

not a slight against teachers. We train

1:20:46

a lot of teachers. Our programs are

1:20:48

used in some of the top educational.

1:20:50

Finland and South Korea, some of the

1:20:52

ones most notable. My

1:20:54

mother became a special education teacher in

1:20:56

the New York public school system. She

1:20:59

recently retired to help me, you

1:21:01

know, and so she really got, but it's

1:21:03

not, it's teachers, some of the most caring,

1:21:05

capable, compassionate

1:21:08

individuals. I don't think they're compensated as well

1:21:10

as they should. But

1:21:13

it's a systemic issue, right? Just like often,

1:21:15

if you look at healthcare, you look at

1:21:17

all these different areas, like the system hasn't

1:21:19

changed. And

1:21:22

so it's

1:21:24

working exactly how it was designed to work,

1:21:26

right? Our school system is modeled after the

1:21:29

assembly line. It's just like your date of

1:21:31

birth is the manufacturing date and you're kept

1:21:33

together. It's one size kind of fits all

1:21:35

in there. There's progress, certainly. I mean,

1:21:38

I would love more emphasis on social

1:21:41

emotional learning and development. And

1:21:43

then, you know, my contribution to this

1:21:45

field would be learning how to learn.

1:21:47

It's an area called meta-learning, learning how

1:21:49

to learn. And I feel

1:21:51

like the most important skill

1:21:53

we can have is learning how to learn, learning

1:21:56

how to think, because the subject

1:21:58

matter is always going to change, right? And

1:22:01

so learning, you know, classes on learning how

1:22:03

to learn, I just feel like that would

1:22:05

be the biggest evolution because an

1:22:07

individual's ability to learn rapidly and

1:22:09

translate that learning in action is

1:22:12

the ultimate competitive advantage in

1:22:14

the world of we live in the millennium of

1:22:16

the mind. Nobody listening to this is paid

1:22:18

like hundreds of years ago, agricultural

1:22:20

age or industrial like it's not paid for

1:22:23

your brute strength today, it's your brain strength,

1:22:25

right? It's not your muscle power to your

1:22:27

mind power. And the faster you can learn,

1:22:29

the faster you could earn. And knowledge say

1:22:31

not only power, it's profit. There's

1:22:33

this divide of not just those who have and those

1:22:35

who have not, there's a divide of those people who

1:22:37

know stuff and those who don't know. And those people

1:22:40

who know stuff because they're able to learn it and

1:22:42

retain it and they can make

1:22:44

better decisions because they have a better

1:22:46

data set to be able to make, you

1:22:48

know, thoughtful, wise decisions in

1:22:50

their relationships and their food choices

1:22:52

and their economics and everything.

1:22:55

I know there's so much there to continue unraveling.

1:22:57

I mean, it's an abomination in so many different

1:23:00

ways. But yeah, thank you for sharing

1:23:02

that. And I'm going to I want to ask you

1:23:04

a little bit more about that maybe off air. What's

1:23:08

the one thing that you do that most makes

1:23:11

time disappear for you in your personal life?

1:23:14

Oh, goodness. I mean, I

1:23:17

mean, everything from from family and

1:23:19

friends is like in those flow

1:23:21

states is a state where

1:23:23

I feel like most alive. So

1:23:26

I do a lot of stuff physical because

1:23:28

it gets me out of my mind. So

1:23:31

it's whether

1:23:33

skydiving or I do the

1:23:35

zero G's I do like so

1:23:38

many things are good for your for your brain.

1:23:41

Dance is wonderful for your brain. Racquet

1:23:43

sports are amazing for your brain also as well.

1:23:47

Martial arts on and

1:23:49

off for my whole life. So I

1:23:51

spar every day at eight o'clock with

1:23:53

my instructor and trainer when

1:23:55

I'm home. So those are things

1:23:57

that are just very thoughtful. I love. when

1:24:00

you live on the water. So it's

1:24:02

just a lot of water, kayaking and

1:24:04

paddle boards. But

1:24:07

yeah, I just feel like it's so important

1:24:09

to have balance and harmony. Harmony

1:24:11

is probably a better word for me. You know, balance

1:24:13

is like everything's equal and I don't want everything to

1:24:16

be equal necessarily. I spend as much time

1:24:18

as a gym as I do with a

1:24:20

work or whatever. But harmony is like a

1:24:23

symphony. Like you think about like an orchestra,

1:24:25

not everything is absolutely weighted equal. Not everyone's

1:24:27

playing the same amount of airtime or music

1:24:29

in the same instant, but everybody comes together

1:24:32

and creates this art, right? And I think

1:24:34

there's a science and art to our lives.

1:24:38

So yeah, I love reading.

1:24:41

And it's

1:24:43

not just nonfiction. I used to read nonfiction. I read a book

1:24:45

a day for four and a half years. I

1:24:48

just think like reading is to your mind what exercises

1:24:50

your body. And I think we all need to be

1:24:52

reading 30 minutes a day because it's wonderful exercise for

1:24:54

your brain. Nonfiction, you learn

1:24:56

through information. I read a

1:24:59

lot of fiction now because I

1:25:01

learned, whereas nonfiction you learn through

1:25:03

information, fiction you learn through imagination.

1:25:05

And there's so much research showing

1:25:07

that fiction reading actually improves your

1:25:10

EQ, your level of empathy. The narrative

1:25:12

allows you to see things from different points

1:25:14

of view and perspectives. So it just broadens

1:25:16

your mind. And

1:25:19

the one thing is I read fiction. I don't

1:25:21

read nonfiction before I go to bed because it

1:25:23

puts me in my executive kind of thinking. And

1:25:25

I don't want to be in that place. I

1:25:27

want to be in the parasympathetic. So fiction reading

1:25:29

at night. But we have

1:25:31

all chapter accessing flow

1:25:33

states and limitless. And

1:25:35

some of the markers are you lose your

1:25:37

sense of self, you lose your sense of

1:25:39

time, and things become effortless. So

1:25:41

I think it's very healing state. And

1:25:44

so those are some of the activities that kind of put

1:25:46

me in that flow state where I lose my sense of

1:25:49

self and I lose my sense of time. How

1:25:51

interrelated do you feel a consistent

1:25:54

meditation practice is with the Baseline

1:25:57

level of freedom someone feels like they have in their life?

1:26:01

For me, it's been pivotal.

1:26:03

So I've been having some

1:26:05

kind of meditation process and

1:26:07

says eighteen on. In

1:26:09

the most I talked about some sleep

1:26:12

issues I had through. not because I'm

1:26:14

ruminating sanford practice mind but I have

1:26:16

three severe Sleep Apnea which is a

1:26:18

breathing disorder choice to breathing two hundred

1:26:20

fifty two hims a night. It's time

1:26:22

is at least ten seconds so I

1:26:25

will. Read

1:26:27

and I see paprika and reasons.

1:26:29

As on the ice. Arms

1:26:32

but it's his. Sleep is so paramount

1:26:35

your brain obviously clean up beta amyloid

1:26:37

plaque directly to brainy challenges canceled a

1:26:39

short long term memory. It's closet a

1:26:41

dream, which a lot of. Creates.

1:26:44

A lot of missing things out or

1:26:46

came from teams tests on Carney printed

1:26:48

yesterday and stream mere celebrated Frankenstein in

1:26:50

a dream rates to in the whole

1:26:52

thing on. How to

1:26:54

remember your dreams and everything? It's buttons.

1:26:57

Yeah, Go going back to this answers.

1:26:59

a meditation I I've learned a lot

1:27:01

of ways to compensate for at least

1:27:03

to recoup and nothing's been in sleep,

1:27:06

the medications but in practice for me.

1:27:08

So. For me I have to take

1:27:11

twenty minutes twice a day. That's

1:27:13

kind of my my works for

1:27:15

me and some people that have

1:27:17

twenty minutes. If you're so busy

1:27:19

and stress as Euros twenty minutes

1:27:21

you probably should be messy for

1:27:23

an hour. He know you have

1:27:25

to disconnect to reconnect and the

1:27:27

brain's not meant to go full

1:27:29

speed. he said all day in

1:27:31

needs and brain break and so

1:27:33

for me meditation is that kind

1:27:35

of pitstop that safe haven that

1:27:37

sanctuary it allows me to. Him

1:27:39

and really know in this different a

1:27:41

mindfulness but even ah spring mindfulness and

1:27:44

every activity he for bring mine. Nice.

1:27:47

Bring mindfulness into your eating. A lot of

1:27:49

people like are so stressed out by the

1:27:51

food the reading we talk about as brain

1:27:53

foods and everything a source of our eating

1:27:55

it or if you are eating their lunch

1:27:57

in a while they're working and in organ

1:27:59

that parasympathetic. I just noticed would

1:28:01

you eat It's when you eat it's it's

1:28:03

how you eat. it's who you're eating with

1:28:05

also as well I'd I would say like

1:28:08

Munich bring my from the sensor, brush our

1:28:10

teeth. And to com

1:28:12

station has your extraordinary with that like

1:28:14

you like I when I watch your

1:28:16

videos in repeatedly in the com people

1:28:18

feel like you're really listening your be

1:28:21

present with them arms guess you're like

1:28:23

they're seen, they feel heard and so

1:28:25

I feel like com is a practice

1:28:27

and it's a muscle. Grades

1:28:29

and but the thing is when you wake

1:28:31

up in the morning you pick up your

1:28:33

phone, your training your distraction muscles in you

1:28:36

we've flexing them you wonder why can't focus

1:28:38

and be present things in as opposed to

1:28:40

light a township the pressure drops at hand

1:28:42

trying to connect me to different part your

1:28:44

brain but it also would it really does

1:28:46

is have received we prison. Or

1:28:48

abusive united and be Any and I can

1:28:51

be good as you really have to be

1:28:53

moments so I'm in a narrow proves your

1:28:55

memory. Also the people that have some of

1:28:57

the best memories are on the memory com

1:28:59

is there. Like with you. In

1:29:02

is tough like in L A and year

1:29:04

were so if you've always looking over your

1:29:06

shoulder see who was born, Chino is important

1:29:08

in the room. In they're not, they're not

1:29:10

there and I think it's an icon back

1:29:12

to the age of attention the meet our

1:29:14

sex were having earlier the Art of Learning

1:29:16

as the art of attention and own and

1:29:18

I think what people on most distance as

1:29:20

if you're seen if you've heard and that

1:29:22

sure we're with them and then some the

1:29:24

true you are in some one thing people

1:29:27

can cut back this time and attention he

1:29:29

was can make more money or something else.

1:29:31

that's why. Such deep appreciation where people

1:29:33

are listening as right now because his

1:29:35

his You know this is. He.

1:29:39

Can be free. But. It people

1:29:42

start Ray there's there's a cost of

1:29:44

of their time and energy and Omaha

1:29:46

from to. Find.

1:29:48

Time and now and they're spending their

1:29:51

spiritual currency no doubt. Thank you for

1:29:53

the kind reflection. Love what you disappeared.

1:29:55

I. Also feel like. The.

1:29:58

true measure of success and least in my life is

1:30:00

how present we are. And that's

1:30:02

largely to the degree our life is not passing

1:30:04

us by without our awareness. And

1:30:06

I can feel your presence as well throughout

1:30:08

this conversation and how you show up in

1:30:10

the world. So it's incredible. The very last

1:30:13

question, because this is the Know Thyself podcast,

1:30:15

you mentioned not only how important it is to know

1:30:17

who we are, to

1:30:20

know thyself, to love thyself, but ultimately to have

1:30:22

the courage to be ourself. So

1:30:25

any last words you have for people that

1:30:27

are trying to overcome imposter syndrome or feeling

1:30:29

like they're not enough, and yeah,

1:30:31

that's the last one. I

1:30:34

would say to that person, because I can definitely

1:30:36

identify with that, that

1:30:39

creating the life you desire and

1:30:41

deserve can be scary. And

1:30:45

what's scarier is regret. And

1:30:49

I feel like, I do this thought experiment at the end

1:30:51

of my life, I feel like you

1:30:54

get to meet the person you, we

1:30:56

could have been. And I just

1:30:58

want, that

1:31:01

drives me a lot. I feel a moral obligation

1:31:04

to do what I do, because shame on me

1:31:06

if somebody is suffering and struggling the way I

1:31:08

did, and I didn't support

1:31:10

that person. And

1:31:13

so I do believe the life we live or the lessons

1:31:15

we teach. And if you're

1:31:17

gonna begin with that end in mind, is

1:31:20

think about the things that are most important

1:31:22

to you. And if you're fearful of what

1:31:25

other people opinions are, and their comments and

1:31:27

expectations, and their experiences

1:31:29

to dates, like our passion and our own purpose. So

1:31:32

I would remind people that, I

1:31:35

mean, the kurai, as I said

1:31:37

decades ago, is like your life is like an egg. That

1:31:40

if an egg is broken by an outside forest, life

1:31:42

ends. But if an egg

1:31:44

is broken by an inside forest, life begins. Right,

1:31:46

it hatches. And if

1:31:48

they're listening to this, they've already self-selected that

1:31:51

they have greatness inside of them. And

1:31:53

I think like attracts like, I don't think it's a coincidence, this

1:31:55

is my personal belief, that people are

1:31:57

listening to this, that I don't think it's a coincidence.

1:32:00

that there are reasons. And

1:32:02

there's a world that exists solely

1:32:05

because you're in it. It's

1:32:08

just a fact, right? And

1:32:10

so I would feel like we're

1:32:12

all on this journey to reveal

1:32:15

and realize our fullest potential.

1:32:19

And I just feel like life

1:32:21

is difficult for one of two reasons,

1:32:24

for the person that's struggling with other

1:32:27

people's opinions or imposter, life is difficult either

1:32:29

because you're leaving your comfort zone, trying

1:32:32

something new, right? You're getting into the

1:32:34

unknown, or life is gonna be difficult if

1:32:36

you stay in your comfort zone. And

1:32:39

so I would imagine in this community,

1:32:41

more people are leaning towards playing and

1:32:43

practicing at the edge of their limits.

1:32:46

And if you feel fear, that's natural,

1:32:48

right? It's there to protect you. But

1:32:50

I think emotions that we were talking

1:32:52

about earlier, they're a signpost to guide

1:32:54

our actions. Like if you feel fearful,

1:32:57

maybe it's an action that we need to take

1:32:59

is to prepare, right, or

1:33:02

to practice or to study more. But

1:33:06

for me, it's finding

1:33:08

something that's bigger than myself that

1:33:11

really drives me. Even when I have my sleep

1:33:13

apnea and I slept 90 minutes, I

1:33:16

traveled, I'd be on three continents in

1:33:18

one week speaking, I still

1:33:20

be able to show up on

1:33:22

stages because I think about the

1:33:24

person that's there,

1:33:27

that's listening like I was,

1:33:30

and has something that I need to hear. So

1:33:32

I feel like that motivates me in terms of

1:33:34

purpose. And purpose for me, when

1:33:36

you lean into it, I feel like

1:33:39

part of it is like our faith has

1:33:41

to be sometimes greater than our fears, and

1:33:45

our courage has to be something greater than

1:33:47

our feelings at any given time.

1:33:50

And this reminder of the people that they have,

1:33:53

that agency, that

1:33:56

a lot of things could happen just after

1:33:58

just a small amount of courage. and

1:34:01

you know and it's an issue of strength

1:34:03

you know when we're I think if you're

1:34:05

kind and you and you work hard and

1:34:07

you learn then you

1:34:09

know our results will show up

1:34:11

and speak first for themselves so

1:34:14

my heart goes out to anybody who's struggling right now

1:34:16

and my advice would be when we

1:34:18

look in the mirror yeah self-care

1:34:21

is not just eating the best foods

1:34:24

and I'm actually a bit part of it is self-care is

1:34:26

looking in the mirror and seeing the

1:34:28

reflection back and loving that reflection back

1:34:32

like that person who's been through so

1:34:34

much but is still standing right

1:34:36

and I guarantee you you inspire people

1:34:39

with your grit and your grace whether

1:34:41

they express it or not and

1:34:45

yeah and again I feel like we

1:34:47

could be an inspiring example for the people

1:34:49

around us and the world is the way

1:34:51

it it wouldn't be the same without them

1:34:54

thank you that was so powerful and

1:34:56

a previous guest just

1:34:58

mentioned this quote from Khalil Gibran that I

1:35:01

love that said that work is our love

1:35:03

made visible and I

1:35:05

see that as a shining example and you

1:35:07

and your life path and how you teach

1:35:09

so it's so obvious to

1:35:11

me that like the love that you have

1:35:14

for others and helping them break prey from

1:35:16

self-imposed limitations is such a driving factor and

1:35:18

it's so inspiring so thank you for the

1:35:20

work that you're doing I too

1:35:23

also don't believe in coincidence and

1:35:25

funny enough like two or three nights

1:35:27

ago I had a dream about this

1:35:29

sign no way this Temenosuke sign

1:35:31

you're the first guest to like mention it or

1:35:34

bring it up and in that dream I was

1:35:36

giving it to somebody so random so this is

1:35:38

yours my friend this is for you no way

1:35:40

yeah of course I

1:35:43

gotta listen to those those intuitive hits thank

1:35:46

you yeah that's such an amazing gift

1:35:49

yeah of course well thank you for

1:35:51

knowing yourself thank you for sharing yourself

1:35:53

and the lessons that is the life

1:35:55

that you've lived and yeah just

1:35:58

last words you have for our audience also So where can

1:36:00

people find you and anything else before we close out? My

1:36:04

last words for everybody is gratitude. I'm

1:36:10

truly grateful to be

1:36:12

here. Thank

1:36:15

you for holding space and for the amazing work. People don't

1:36:17

realize the amount of energy and effort, the

1:36:19

amount of work that goes on behind the scenes to

1:36:21

create this kind of experience. So thank you for that

1:36:23

and to your team. I'm

1:36:27

not hard to find online. You can just

1:36:29

search my name. We have a podcast. We've done

1:36:31

almost 400 episodes. It's a 20-minute show. We

1:36:34

have online programs around social

1:36:36

media. Yeah,

1:36:40

the book is in 40 different languages and it's

1:36:44

everywhere. We donate all the proceeds to my

1:36:46

book to charity. We've

1:36:48

funded fully-funded schools in Ghana,

1:36:50

Guatemala, Kenya, and also

1:36:52

Alzheimer's research for women in memory of

1:36:54

my grandmother. And

1:36:57

yeah, I would challenge everyone to just maybe take

1:36:59

us, you know, we're talking about the power of

1:37:01

actions to take one small simple step because I

1:37:03

feel like little by little, a

1:37:05

little becomes a lot. And

1:37:08

even if it's taking a screenshot where they're consuming it,

1:37:10

maybe tagging us both on social

1:37:12

media so we get to see it and sharing one thing

1:37:15

that they learned and that's going back to

1:37:17

the principle of teaching. When we

1:37:19

share it, we get to learn it twice and then

1:37:22

their fans, their followers, their family,

1:37:24

their friends get to benefit from,

1:37:26

you know, some of the information

1:37:28

that we shared today. And I

1:37:30

feel like that's knowledge applied, which

1:37:32

is the wisdom. And

1:37:34

so, yeah, and I want to say

1:37:36

thank you. Yeah,

1:37:38

it's been a real blessing. Thank

1:37:41

you so much. Everywhere you guys

1:37:43

can find Jim from the expanded

1:37:45

version of his book Limitless to the

1:37:47

Learning Quiz online, everything

1:37:49

will be linked on the description. Again,

1:37:51

thank you, Jim, so much. I thoroughly,

1:37:53

really enjoyed this conversation and everybody

1:37:56

thanks for tuning in and please let us know in

1:37:59

which ways. This is uniquely impactful for you.

1:38:01

And until next time.