Ooof! This is a big topic today, and one we've been wanting to put out for a while.

Between our mid 30s and mid 40s most women are preoccupied with a big decision - whether or not to have children. The decision is complicated: while it's partly in our hands, it's also, in many ways totally not.

We wanted to have a frank discussion about what it means to be in this time of deliberation, how we personally navigate the uncertainty, and the opportunity we have to build a new narrative for childfree women.

In this podcast we discuss:

• Both our current (but ever-changing) perspectives on whether we want to have children
• What the benefits could be of not having children
• What we've learned from older women who are child free
• The danger of the panic years
• Whether it's as simple as family vs freedom, or if it's more nuanced than that
• Should we all be mothers anyway?
• Whether men have a ticking clock
• Towards a more open idea of what family can mean

Thank you for listening. Please share this episode with anyone who you think it would resonate with!

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Editor - Johnny Hall / Music - Sarah Weiler / Artwork - Tom Pauling

The song at the end is Hand in my Pocket by Alanis Morissette - Kim on vocals and Sarah on keys.

This was recorded in November 2022

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