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0:23

by knowledge. five

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the money my

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name

0:49

her we

0:52

were always face

0:58

millennium everybody was

1:00

like knowledge right up there were , couple dudes

1:02

like to sit around worship at the altar of saline and

1:04

talk a little bit about alex joe know

1:06

we need we are dan jordan or

1:08

day i have a quick question for you sir again

1:11

yes wow like every time oh my

1:13

god he just absurd real yeah

1:16

oh what was your right spot today on

1:19

my way small today i think is that

1:21

i think i'm done with wurtzel

1:25

wurtzel was a late adopter yeah i just saw

1:27

people posting these a green dots on

1:30

yeah dots i was like

1:32

i don't want to get involved right i see these

1:35

things come and go and i i just

1:37

like a too old to the stop

1:39

this nonsense but i do like word games

1:42

i like yo you know

1:44

the other scrabble guy i have been

1:47

in the past i like kicked my ass

1:49

every time we played scrabble grew by

1:51

a wide margin yup embargo

1:53

i like bargain love bug others

1:55

some other games they have equally

1:58

ill fitting names right so

2:01

i decided to give it a try and i'm on a twenty

2:03

five days streets and it's

2:06

not even spawn you

2:08

got the right of every day for

2:11

twenty five days yeah and you're

2:13

and you're i don't want to be like

2:15

bragging or any fish oil a up

2:17

some like out zero right around or breadth

2:19

it's no big deal but you've gotten or i told him i might

2:21

raise a very easy then

2:24

yeah very easy game and

2:26

other may not be all that much too

2:28

i mean i'm pretty sure that is

2:30

the specific terms of again it

2:32

might be

2:33

not for you it might be we're both why this

2:36

universal appeal that said at the bar of entry

2:38

is challenging , yes

2:40

i'm so pick it up

2:42

they are to have you

2:44

sit together and how many times do

2:46

we have to say the see you do york times i

2:50

guess if i wasn't getting them right

2:52

i'd be mad so the flipside of

2:55

i think you need to be getting it right

2:58

the around like eighty five percent

3:00

of the time you both have the satisfaction

3:03

of achievements while the same time something

3:05

to like shoot for a twenty five

3:08

days at a twenty five days in a row you're just like i

3:10

can quit a i'm the master of this game

3:12

i'm not i'm not going that far but i am saying

3:14

that i have a have grown weary of it

3:16

yeah it's the opposite of elgin rent

3:18

right but i mean think about it this way you

3:21

got one wrong tomorrow ah

3:24

then the next day you'd be so ready and

3:26

rare and dig up baby

3:28

the may not get through i might be an

3:30

example is i am now it is i'm not

3:32

, interesting experiment what's up with your breath of

3:34

my bright spots is i

3:37

i have as you know we

3:39

talked about i got contacts right but

3:43

i don't even notice because you also saved

3:45

your beard around since i snap matters

3:47

is what i believe multiple switches

3:50

the same way about of

3:52

my face of but

3:54

the eye doctor whenever

3:56

i got the contacts we put in the regular

3:58

ones everything's going great and then right

4:00

as i'm about to leave he just puts to

4:03

lose contacts in my hand not

4:05

loose like they were out both these little

4:07

yes you lucy and he kind of gets in

4:09

real close like is doing a drug deal and

4:12

it was like you know these are transition contact

4:14

lenses

4:15

and i was like i do not understand what you're talking about

4:18

in the light they changed to a

4:20

darker color what form it's

4:22

amazing with magic cards are glad

4:25

that while while sensitive eyes

4:27

i do like the idea of the doctors

4:30

out of your gave her my be a was it

4:32

would be able to let me give my i was your first taste

4:34

is free of the straight up like check these

4:36

out you don't even know man i had dumb

4:39

i don't know if he goes like strep throat una

4:41

in college once i am and i couldn't swallow

4:44

pills were gone to the student health

4:46

center to i get some steroids

4:48

right to alleviate things and

4:50

because i couldn't take pills and needed to get the Steroids

4:53

and the doctor when he was

4:55

given to have that same kind of conspiratorial

4:58

off. but didn't want anybody he was like this

5:00

is the stuff the rams like

5:03

, For

5:09

me, it was about getting messed up on

5:12

purple drank sick.

5:16

Like I anyway. yeah

5:18

anyway jordan today we have an episode to go over

5:20

oh we do they do actual are a number

5:22

of episodes or so

5:24

i wanted to after allies absurd but

5:26

now it's on a little bit of a timeout guess

5:29

the armed services are just some awful

5:31

listen and such the eagles will get

5:33

back to i'm to i'm i'm to chase him around in

5:36

present day so excited to be good to go back

5:38

to the past again to two thousand three because

5:41

there was a story that we had left

5:43

hanging serve in two thousand three

5:45

which was the the a situation where the

5:48

the weapons expert in iraq who had

5:51

died from suicide and arm and

5:53

i felt like if we left that hanging too

5:55

long we might forget

5:58

that that was something that we have to like the banker

6:00

right where i know this is the board so

6:03

were they care of some of that

6:05

his own thoughts about her name painfully

6:08

boring stretch of our

6:11

to show that leads to something

6:13

quite fun okay i'm okay will get out of

6:15

business on our all that but up for we do jordan

6:17

blitz jordan good moments a loads and they want all

6:19

it's great idea so first tabby prancer

6:21

dancing on the whole thank you so much you are now policy

6:24

one i'm a policy walk hold

6:26

me closer tabby brands are in for than

6:28

all yeah beck's our jails his forehead

6:30

vein who's sick of his shit thank you so much you are now

6:32

bolduan

6:33

Thank you very much, sir.

6:35

Charles Schwab. Thank you so much. Like,

6:45

his mom has got it going on. Thank you much,

6:47

and I'll probably want stuff.

6:53

Punk, rock King of the cats. Thank you so much. i

6:56

a you much. Fuck

6:59

it. You what? I am mad at the crew. Thank you,

7:01

select you and I'll probably walk 2302,

7:13

you know, just do one episode in the past,

7:15

but then, no,

7:18

man. boy and oh this is

7:20

a

7:21

long a desert of

7:23

content alex is in a weird

7:26

weird the stretcher

7:29

saying nothing for long periods

7:31

of time on the show

7:33

which is why would he choose a good go three

7:35

read it out there actually i find enough stuff brag

7:37

about i'm in the past is literally catching up

7:39

with you yeah yeah and so we

7:42

do get to on this july twenty

7:44

first episode pretty much right away sir

7:46

alex brings back up the weapons inspector

7:49

from the uk david kelly right odds

7:51

that gives us a chance to clean the slate on

7:53

this on friday we talked

7:55

about the death of

7:58

the ministry of defense

8:00

the weapons expert former head important

8:02

down bio weapons laboratory that has it's

8:04

own ramifications we

8:07

predicted that they would play and that it was a suicide

8:10

when and about eight hours of finding his body

8:12

yes they were sure to suicide we're

8:15

supposed police their said it was quote a

8:17

grizzly hi he

8:20

to just emailed a friend saying i'm going to

8:22

fight this ongoing to expose these

8:24

people i'm going to get my good name

8:26

back there was

8:28

a place he walked through a couple times

8:30

a week he he be would walk about five miles from

8:33

cells and walk back british

8:35

or big walkers and i

8:37

was obviously ambushed and kills them all

8:39

the evidence that i've read fifty news

8:41

articles i've literally this weekend

8:43

i've read his email them

8:46

the dr kelly's into a friend he

8:49

had a he did everything of it's somebody

8:51

would do that was gonna fight for their

8:53

for their honor and it was gonna stand up the

8:55

had three children a wife he was only

8:58

what fifty some years old so i

9:00

decided not to cover this on our lives two thousand

9:02

three episode because i knew was a story that

9:04

was gonna come back up and that alex was going to

9:06

develop a conspiracy around so i wanted

9:08

to wait till he had a chance to do that before

9:10

getting into any robot the

9:13

peace better we discuss them last episode

9:15

is just how i was exaggerating and making

9:18

of details in the immediate aftermath of kelly's

9:20

deaths in order to present the idea

9:22

that he was murdered now more

9:24

information has become public's out is claiming victory

9:26

claiming his prediction that this was this was that's being covered

9:28

up so now let's try and understand this case

9:31

a little better in it's proper this

9:34

story begins with david kelly a well

9:36

respected expert in biological weapons

9:38

speaking to a couple of journalists under the

9:40

assumption of anonymity these were

9:42

andrew gilligan of the bbc and

9:44

susan want to reported for newsnight

9:47

one of the striking details other was included

9:49

was included of their reports was that downing

9:51

street's had intentionally misled the

9:53

public by injecting acclaim into dossiers

9:56

about iraqi weapons of mass destruction

9:58

capability we that the

10:00

iraqi government could activate their weapons

10:03

within forty five minutes rats this

10:05

was a salacious detail

10:07

a very headline grabbing detail of

10:09

it was in both watts and gilligan

10:12

reporting from an unnamed

10:14

source it was something that

10:16

previously to this even tony blair

10:18

had announced yeah are in the rationale

10:21

for going to war what was the name of that code name

10:23

is like iceman or something like that the

10:25

lying a dive sake

10:27

source that they used to just lie there hit

10:29

their teeth authors of this isn't him oh

10:31

god not david tell another know

10:33

i know that's not david kelly but the dub

10:36

they buy a man with a murderer that they had

10:38

the special about ah well as

10:40

a set of the guy from top

10:42

gun ah oh that's right i was thinking

10:44

of mister freeze that ,

10:46

kelly was goose's ah so

10:48

guilty as reporting specifically alleged that this

10:50

claim was put in our of

10:52

as an attempt by the government to mislead

10:55

right in his initial appearance reporting

10:57

on this on the may twenty ninth two thousand

11:00

three episode of today gilligan said

11:02

quote what this person says is

11:04

that a week before the publication date of dossier

11:07

it was actually rather erm a bland

11:09

production it didn't leave

11:11

the dress presented prepared for

11:13

mr blair by the intelligence agencies

11:16

didn't actually say very much more than

11:18

was public knowledge already and amps

11:20

to downing street or so our source says

11:22

ordered a week before publication order

11:24

that to be sexed up to be made

11:26

more exciting and ordered more facts

11:28

to be or to be discovered discovered

11:31

stress that this detail the forty five minute point

11:33

was very central to tony blair's appeal to

11:35

go to war since it's stressed the immediacy

11:38

of the potential threat and it is reporting

11:40

he was strongly suggesting that based

11:42

on this unnamed source this was something

11:44

that they knew shouldn't have been included in

11:46

the in this was primarily

11:48

because it was something that only came from one

11:51

source initially who this up

11:53

apparently this intelligence source claimed

11:55

was thought to have been mistaken

11:58

the person who was dead the

12:00

one sources behind the forty five minute claim

12:02

was known to be probably wrong he

12:04

has why was there a liar f l

12:06

or just like a fabulous or something so

12:09

the next day after this may thirtieth susan

12:11

was contacted kelly and interviewed him over

12:13

the phone which he recorded the

12:16

transcript of this call makes it very clear the kelly

12:18

was aware that he was the source of these claims

12:20

and that from particular details and gilligan

12:23

reporting as well as that of another bbc

12:25

reporter kelly had spoken to it

12:27

was clear that was could tell that

12:29

he was to hurt their source based on previous

12:31

conversations that they had had rise in price

12:34

so pretty immediately the ministry of science a

12:36

downing street came out and strongly denied

12:38

the claims are being made in the media and the

12:40

house of commons set up a committee to investigate

12:42

whether or not the decision to go to war had been done

12:44

with complete and accurate information

12:48

one , the mps launched the effort donald

12:50

anderson specifically cited gilligan

12:52

reporting as one of the factors that led to the decision

12:54

to open that inquiry inquiry

12:56

the same time the ministry of science was getting curious

12:59

about who had leak this information the face

13:01

assault was assault on

13:03

july thirtieth kelly wrote a letter to his

13:05

higher ups at the ministry of defence which definitely

13:08

intended to create the impression

13:10

that he barely spoke to gilligan

13:13

he didn't say the stuff that was being reported

13:15

and that he didn't even consider that he could have

13:17

been his source until june nineteenth

13:19

when someone informed him that some of

13:21

the evidence provided in the house of commons inquiry

13:23

match details he would have given

13:26

right this is demonstrably

13:28

untrue the stuff that was he he was saying

13:30

in this but ministry of defence lawyer

13:32

given the recording of kelly's conversation with

13:34

plots from may thirtieth in

13:37

discussing the reporting it was happening she asks

13:39

quote are you getting much flak over that

13:41

to which kelly replied quote me

13:44

no not yet anyway i was in new york

13:46

what says quote yes good timing i suppose

13:49

and kelly offers of quote i mean they

13:51

wouldn't think it was me i don't think maybe

13:53

they would maybe they wouldn't i don't know wow

13:58

ah retrospect that the ship said that yeah

14:00

this letter prompted some internal

14:03

conversations and interviews with in the ministry

14:05

of defence which really were not

14:07

good for kelly he was interviewed

14:09

by his superiors on july fourth

14:11

and on the seventh a note was prepared

14:14

and respect to the interviews with starts quotes

14:16

i began by explaining to dr kelly that

14:18

his letter had serious implications

14:21

first implications the basis of his own account it appeared

14:23

that he breached the normal standards of civil service

14:26

behavior and departmental regulations

14:28

by having by having of unauthorized and unreported

14:30

contact with journalists regardless

14:33

of the detail of what had passed this

14:35

opened up the possibility of disciplinary this

14:38

is really bad for kelly because even

14:40

if his story about not being the source for

14:42

these claims was accurate he still

14:44

might be in trouble and the fact that he's admitting

14:47

to undisclosed contact with journalists

14:49

necessarily met that more questions were

14:51

going to be asked about these contests oh yeah

14:54

that , interview didn't go all that

14:56

well with it coming out the kelly didn't

14:58

even seem to be aware of the ministry of defence

15:00

protocol as it related to interacting with

15:02

journalists from a note about

15:04

his interview quote he said that he

15:06

had not really had regarded his discussions

15:09

with journalists academics etc

15:11

as being about defense business but as

15:13

a continuation that his role

15:15

as a you an expert i said

15:17

that this was at best extraordinarily

15:20

naive journalists are not seeking

15:22

information out of academic interest but

15:24

to construct stories in

15:26

, interview the stakes are the situation became

15:28

pretty clear which may not have

15:31

been the case prior richard

15:33

hatfield the personnel director of a

15:35

minute the ministry of science brought up that

15:37

whether kelly bet for it to be the

15:39

case or not his conversation with gilligan

15:42

may be central to resolving a public

15:44

dispute between the government and the bbc

15:47

quote it might become necessary to consider

15:49

a public statement based on his accounts

15:51

gilligan reputation was gilligan stake ain't

15:53

he would be bound to challenge any and accuracy

15:56

and i reminded dr kelly of the possibility

15:58

that he might have in tape recorder ultimately

16:02

have real took kelly's word and decided

16:04

that his actions in terms of talking to journalists was

16:06

very naive but not rising

16:08

to the level of requiring disciplinary action

16:10

so essentially got off with a worrying for

16:12

regards to bees these meetings

16:15

that were about his letter that he said the ministry

16:17

of sound right about the

16:19

be suspicions like questions

16:21

lingered and is more details came out

16:23

from the foreign affairs select committee inquiry

16:26

that was going on other was initiated by the house

16:28

of commons yes it became more and more clear

16:30

to people within the ministry advance that in all

16:32

likelihood kelly was gilligan source

16:35

or the organ was making

16:37

things up in a way that attributed his coverage

16:39

to a source who was meant to look like

16:41

kelly right whenever you see

16:43

report was released they determined

16:45

that there was no evidence that the claim that

16:47

be forty five minute detail was added

16:49

at behest of downing street's against the

16:51

wishes of the intelligence community as

16:54

was the contention of gilligan reporting

16:56

which relied on kelly as a source because

16:59

of that he became clear to people in the ministry

17:01

of defense that defense that of questions or about start

17:03

flying around about who the source for

17:05

gilligan story was and that

17:07

if it were asked they would have to say

17:09

that someone had come forward internally or

17:11

else they would be in effect engaging in a

17:13

cover up they wouldn't have to

17:16

come out name kelly but they weren't

17:18

him but there was a very high likelihood that his

17:20

name would come out based on his contact

17:22

with multiple journalists who are probably going to be able

17:24

to put the pieces together but your

17:26

host whether that they're

17:28

done well maybe not hose but like there

17:30

is a whole year here years

17:33

a possibility of something's

17:35

going back on july eight

17:37

the ministry of defence released defence released that someone

17:39

inside the ministry had come forward to say that

17:41

he had met with the elegance though kelly

17:43

was not named in the statements

17:46

the same and were selected terms that kelly had agreed

17:48

to a and they observe what he had said

17:50

when he may go again didn't match the account

17:52

in the reports that was the basis

17:54

of the same and and like i said kelly agreed to

17:56

this been released course naturally this

17:58

led to the bbc released statement defending their

18:00

reporting which led to an impasse since both

18:03

sides couldn't really reveal who they were talking

18:05

about it is a travel yeah on

18:07

, ninth kelly's name was confirmed

18:09

to the press as being the person who came forward

18:11

as the result of a q and a session

18:14

with a representative from the ministry of defence

18:16

knew they had set up a policy

18:18

of not naming kelly but if a question

18:20

was asked directly to them they would

18:22

be able to confirm that he was the official

18:24

inquest oh my god they set off a bit

18:26

off a media blitz and kelly decided

18:28

and to not be at home for awhile taking

18:31

his family to his coastal town yeah otherwise

18:33

kelly understandably felt hung out to dry

18:35

by the ministry of defence and also and bit miffed

18:37

that he wasn't taken to taken secure location prior

18:40

to the name being confirmed to the britain that

18:42

could have led to some danger and when alex

18:44

talks about like him feeling mistreated by

18:47

the government that this government that large

18:49

part of it yeah the fact that he wasn't giving any

18:51

heads up by about that you're going to confirm

18:54

that i'm the person know who came forward

18:56

in the ministry of defence right there policy was

18:58

essentially will ferrell in austin powers

19:01

were it's like damn you asked me three times now

19:03

i have to tell you it's mr kelly and like what are you

19:05

talking about my if they

19:07

ask a good question then you have to tell

19:09

of the problem with that to conceivably is

19:11

there like if you just lifted off names of right

19:14

yeah that's silly it's

19:16

not not a ironclad way to keep

19:18

information here of my guess is that let him

19:20

know and then him know is it him yes

19:23

thank you the on july fifteenth

19:26

kelly appear before the foreign affairs committee

19:28

and questions came up not only

19:30

about his conversations with kill again but also

19:32

susan watts and his testimony

19:35

kelly claims that he had only met with was

19:37

one time and it was in november two thousand

19:39

two thousand on this basis he denied

19:41

making the claims that were alleged ensues

19:43

and wants his reporting this will

19:45

become a huge problem later because as

19:47

i mentioned was recorded their interview

19:50

right right his interview

19:52

viewed in the context of other known

19:54

information seems very of aces

19:56

and like someone covering their tracks but probably

19:58

not somebody acting malicious revealing

20:01

a somebody who made a huge mistake and things

20:03

have gotten way out a hand to the point where reputations

20:06

and life's work were in danger of

20:08

being destroyed yeah because he was a very credible

20:11

well respected wow weapons

20:13

experts who had i had a deep resume

20:16

and i don't know if

20:18

it seems like a responsibility he was just talking

20:20

shit and yeah they got out of hand yeah

20:23

he just he just started talking and then

20:25

kept trying to like

20:27

i will like i'm trying to do damage control

20:29

only made things spiral further out

20:31

of control it's it has some of that vibe

20:33

yes sir kelly left the if a c hearing

20:35

feeling good unfairly relieved and

20:37

the terror the committee donald anderson released

20:39

a statement to the press that included this line quote

20:42

colleagues have also asked me to pass on

20:44

their view the dr kelly has been poorly treated

20:46

by the government that again as another

20:49

place where alex was taking this claim of

20:51

mistreatment from route of the government

20:53

or towards kelly rights the next day

20:55

july sixteen kelly was set to testify

20:57

before the intelligence and security committee

21:00

which followed along a lot of the same lines

21:02

as the previous day's hearing on

21:04

the seventeenth kelly provided a list of journalists

21:06

the been in touch with touch the committees and

21:08

wrote and bunch of emails to associates many

21:11

it reached out with well wishes and wishes replied

21:14

graciously and said that he hoped to things blow

21:16

over soon sure alex's mischaracterizing

21:18

these emails as if them saying he's gonna

21:21

fight gonna fight now as then i'll never

21:23

give up and i will never surrender

21:25

but he's doing that because that's what fits the

21:27

archetype narrative that alec cells

21:29

about whistleblowers rats that's

21:31

alex fudging details make a particular

21:33

case fit his mould as opposed to him recognize

21:35

and details that are

21:37

a seen them out in the wild look at that's consistent

21:40

with i'm old daughter as jamming

21:42

it into the whole according

21:44

to tell his wife's testimony

21:46

that morning they'd gotten up and he seemed

21:48

normal but pretty tired a little

21:51

later in the day she found him sitting silently

21:53

sitting the sitting room which was uncharacteristic of

21:55

him she said quote said thought he

21:57

had he had heart he was very

22:00

eerie he had shrunk it to himself

22:02

he just looked as he as he had shrunk

22:04

he couldn't put two sentences together the couldn't

22:06

talk of around three twenty

22:09

that afternoon kelly left the house for a walk

22:11

having previously received a call from an associate

22:13

of his wing commander clark who had

22:15

discussed issues related to susan watts

22:18

with him it's theorized in a full

22:20

investigation of is that is that that point after

22:22

the hearings he can he became aware that there was a recording

22:24

of his interview with watts and that he had

22:26

testified that he had absolutely not said

22:28

the things that were on that tape bryce clark's

22:31

mansion the day of disgust

22:33

watts in their last phone call give some credence

22:35

to this as those courts testimony regarding

22:37

kelly's response to the hearing on the fifteenth

22:40

quote he was totally thrown by the question

22:43

or the quotation that was given to him

22:45

from susan watts he spoke about

22:47

their when he came back to the office he said

22:49

that through him he ah he did not

22:51

expected or anticipated that that would have

22:54

come to the for and this forum bright i'm

22:56

not going to get into the details about it but there's a very

22:58

compelling and thorough amount of evidence

23:00

that he died from suicide and

23:03

that all the details and fancies our

23:05

to them to the stories are just figments

23:07

of his second match nation's history

23:09

the tragedy and in all likelihood of the story

23:11

of someone who made a really big mistake and then

23:13

in the process of dealing with that mistake made a series

23:16

of further mistakes and tell he was facing the

23:18

prospect of his reputation being destroyed

23:20

his freedom possibly being taken away and

23:22

even the possibility of him being seen

23:24

as working against his country's government

23:26

gets david kelly at the root of things

23:29

wasn't even a whistleblower the way alex

23:31

uses the term and out of coverage of the

23:33

stories just disgraceful with no

23:35

evidence other than his imagination alex's

23:37

suggesting the kelly was ambushed and murdered

23:39

because if that were true it would really

23:42

help alec style the kind of scary

23:44

stories that he likes to tell to keep his

23:46

audience interested he's exploiting

23:48

tragedy and use and kelly's death as a prop

23:50

and i find that inexcusable

23:53

and disgusting em that the and the

23:56

story of kelly's

23:58

fall out the little

24:01

tragic but very interesting right

24:04

tail idea is it is

24:06

very much like

24:08

cinematic in it's a

24:10

elements you know just that like

24:12

oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck

24:15

any keeps trying to get ahead of it

24:17

keeps trying to be one step away from

24:19

likes i got away and

24:21

it's just caught up caught ,

24:23

man possibly or i think there's an

24:25

entire possibility was he didn't think

24:27

that he had said the things that were

24:29

being used in the report and most your intel

24:32

he realized there was a recording right of

24:34

stuff in that it became became harshly

24:36

real i don't really

24:38

know and since he's gone you know

24:40

i don't know if you'll ever really now ripe

24:44

by i i

24:47

don't know i heard say it's just it's a sad

24:49

it had story that did not have to go

24:51

this way know and i think

24:53

alex only makes it worse by trying

24:56

to the warped it for his

24:58

own purposes you betcha now there

25:00

is one detail it

25:03

actually does lend itself to alex's

25:05

theory okay and i was going to bring it

25:07

up in this next clip and scientists

25:11

feared dark actors playing games

25:15

you just gotta get a friend and said i'm

25:17

being harassed omitting intimidated i'm being

25:19

mistreated dark actors are

25:21

all around me and ,

25:23

of dad and i say of suicide

25:25

suicide suicide suicide

25:28

alex is exaggerating that but there

25:30

is an email the david kelly said that

25:33

morning that mentioned quote dark quote

25:36

there's an irony that alex is missing here though

25:38

because that email was sent to new york times

25:40

columnist and iraq war all star

25:42

war miller on the sixteenth

25:45

miller wrote kelly saying quote i heard

25:47

from another member of your fan club or things

25:49

went well for you today hope it's true

25:51

kelly replied on the morning of a seventeenth

25:53

quote i will wait till the end of the week before

25:56

judging many dark actors playing games

25:59

it's certainly weird thing to say

26:01

but there's no context for this comment

26:03

and none of his other correspondences

26:05

nor his family members testimony match

26:07

the conclusions that alex is jumping to arrive

26:10

you can easily see it being some reference

26:13

that between him and due to serve like serve

26:15

like know i don't know how people communicate

26:17

right as all the other yeah emails

26:19

that are at the they're all him

26:22

is like the investigation

26:24

pure i've documented and confined none

26:27

of them have that tone at all now seems

26:29

like maybe i'm a dude of reason we're terms

26:33

of how that's entirely possible i

26:35

mean i would imagine he that that that the

26:37

time with his point of view in the circumstances

26:40

i imagine that he's definitely got some

26:42

like people are out to get me you

26:44

know why actually one of his big fears

26:47

the , can find a he really look into the details

26:50

was that the iraqi iraqi

26:52

would be out to get him and

26:55

it's because he had been involved he

26:57

had looking at weapons capabilities

27:00

and also with some

27:02

not necessarily the highest levels but

27:04

some elements of negotiations

27:06

and some discussions with

27:09

the iraqi side right about like just

27:11

give these things up might give assurances

27:13

and then the right be a warrior nothing's

27:16

gonna happen and he had

27:18

some fear that he would and

27:21

becoming a seen as somebody is

27:23

lying to her them on

27:25

order to attack them right

27:27

yeah right now the sticks could not be

27:29

higher yeah yeah and the

27:32

brutal , yes just

27:35

just terrific move move

27:37

or alex gets calls is

27:40

not lot now i go on and so he on and

27:42

golf and the scholar wants to know like

27:45

what is the military industrial

27:47

complex what is this

27:49

shadowy organization or and

27:51

who's on top this is a big question

27:54

it is in an hour give be

27:56

be pecking order okay and the

27:58

devil correct the devils missing

28:00

what what in the military

28:02

industrial complex if i wanted to discount

28:05

what the pecking order money on america's

28:07

down the pecking order is the royal

28:09

families of europe wide at all

28:11

the tabloids by and large the all the

28:13

tabloids this is admitting crack

28:15

the owners the but that was bad it's

28:18

own model royal family they

28:20

create the illusion but don't have any power

28:22

they don't have any money really

28:24

rich people don't want you know how much power

28:27

they have go

28:29

to the royal families fifty

28:31

fifty basically with the rothschilds

28:34

crops and other big industrial was a

28:36

cross and begging families that own

28:38

the private central banks that own

28:40

the printing presses that print the money

28:42

so the really rich people the money

28:45

issue the credit and rabobank smell

28:48

out of them sounds the military industrial

28:51

harm words and that's the

28:53

companies who shares are owned by the

28:55

banks as the law seed martin's

28:57

the disease ah that

28:59

only a bases in the air bases

29:02

south isn't really given the pecking order of the military

29:04

industrial complex he's putting it into another

29:07

flow chart which is the new world order

29:09

which as be rothschilds in the barriers

29:11

and the crops right above them

29:14

and they and above that is

29:16

queen beatrix and bar and are

29:18

i mean that like if if

29:20

somebody asks me a joint what's the military

29:22

industrial complex my green my first

29:24

thought is it like well the royal family's

29:27

own tabloids of that's not how

29:29

you begin a response to that question it's

29:31

it's in his is your next business since

29:33

no it's not every note is that so

29:35

be it for absolutely not see okay

29:37

so the royal family owns tabloids

29:39

man you trace it back they

29:41

own tabloids and then they own

29:43

bags and then and then or bulbs

29:46

and out of them comes the military industrial

29:48

complex that again

29:51

that's just lockheed martin hadn't cbc

29:54

yeah that'd be the like the they aren't

29:56

ago and nbc and right but i get

29:58

it billionaires one everything

30:00

i well know the the lockheed

30:02

martin in the military industrial complex on the t v

30:04

stations a row or they are

30:06

, by the bankers and rothschilds

30:08

and crops who were then owned by the

30:11

royal family now we know because

30:13

of the present day that the devil is above

30:15

that top top mark alex is either

30:17

intentionally obscuring this facts in the past

30:20

true or it wasn't a piece of a cosmologist

30:22

where he just didn't know yeah i

30:24

think he he hadn't gotten the visions

30:27

from god yet who knows you

30:30

hadn't been hit on the head enough time as well that's

30:32

possible so a tony blair

30:34

bush the two of them piece of shit

30:36

i'm but also their poll numbers

30:38

of dropping yeah shit and yeah blair

30:41

poll writing plummet she was bush

30:43

approval rating plummeting so luck out

30:45

they may provide us with some chair

30:48

the like imposes are saviors this

30:50

group is meaningless and there be no reason

30:52

to included in the show on it's own but i wanted

30:54

to play in order to bring up an important point because

30:56

i think it's actually really detrimental to alex's

30:58

entire world do as he sees

31:01

it be evil globalist are essentially

31:03

in control of everything which is how is able to

31:05

determine what their next moves are gonna be

31:07

russ bush and blair and losing public support

31:09

so they need to do something to regain control over

31:11

the population and because alex knows that

31:14

they can do literally anything the

31:16

obvious solution is that are going to do a false like

31:18

terrorist attack to get population back into

31:20

a state of fear where they can be controlled ceiling

31:22

and make sense and but that didn't happen know it's

31:24

true there wasn't a terrorist attack and george

31:26

w bush is approval ratings just continued

31:29

to slump all the way until the end of his presidency

31:31

press of alex's worldview was correct

31:33

this should not have happened it should not

31:35

have been possible for the sabbath bush

31:38

should have had all the control over the mechanisms

31:40

that manipulate public opinion and alex

31:42

knows that a false like terror attack as their favorite

31:45

tool to win the people back because then the composer's

31:47

the world savior and it didn't happen

31:49

bush's approval rating just bring the

31:52

reason to this clip would usually never make it

31:54

into an episode an episode alex as shit like

31:56

this all the time to the point where i barely even

31:58

notice these predictions that he got

32:00

on when i'm listening to his show these

32:02

misfires that actually point to the

32:04

conclusion that out as entire worldview is

32:06

meaningless just blend into the background of

32:08

the show yeah it's just constant yeah

32:11

i mean it seems like at this point he would

32:13

say if he knows what's going on

32:15

that they're gonna allow george bush's

32:18

approval ratings to drop further and

32:20

follow farther so they can bring in

32:22

a democrat president's maybe even

32:24

a black one spot if he pulled

32:26

that off man i'm on his team

32:28

but he is alex isn't even for we're

32:32

not even at the two thousand and four election that what

32:34

other day i thought that sort of there's a ruse

32:36

quite a ways from two thousand the if he could

32:38

pull that one together then we're

32:40

talking about some serious predicts inability

32:43

but him being like they'll ,

32:45

it out know precisely what i saw and given

32:47

that much like sort of predictive credit

32:49

for that because it's still to be rooted in some

32:51

kind of bigotry still see

32:53

my my could just

32:56

be like a raise his grandpa on

32:58

a major accident as easy as like

33:00

i'd bet they would put in a black

33:02

president does that make my would have people

33:04

over have those bastards i

33:06

could see that still not being

33:09

like out of the like strong

33:11

see the future sir so

33:13

we have one more clip from july twenty first

33:15

because honestly this show

33:18

a large percentage of it is alex

33:20

reading the entirety of l

33:22

ron paul speeds called neo con

33:24

i have great where is that talk

33:26

about how bad the neo cons are they are a

33:30

notice greatest something to behold

33:33

zoo alex reading alex reading thousand and three

33:35

acres yeah it's a little

33:38

there are a lot bit better than the president

33:40

he's better at sight reading a little ears

33:42

got a better rhythm now instead

33:44

of their constant struggle it's still

33:46

awful to listen to now i'm aware

33:48

but yeah it's it's not nearly as

33:51

tortuous armed but here's another

33:53

dumb bad or production you're

33:56

struggling to find replacement troops

33:59

this is knight ridder newspapers

34:01

don't worry to going to nationals laugh wind up

34:03

until spring and on yes after they block

34:05

something else so we're all like

34:08

terrorist attacks that the government and the globalists

34:10

are gonna do as i did map and then

34:12

there's gonna be a draft and responses i would also

34:15

didn't happen i don't know

34:17

i mean like

34:18

if i wanted to i could make this

34:20

show just a wallowing in

34:23

bad predicts yeah that makes but

34:26

, just an internal sensors are entertainment purposes

34:28

not terrible and i don't know how much you actually learn

34:31

learn just hitting that drum over

34:34

and over and over and over again ass so

34:36

so we sat now we started

34:39

the twenty second and actually

34:42

holy shit

34:44

me and alex agree on something the royal

34:46

family does where everything know up

34:48

torture i'm only acceptable

34:52

this is out of the london guardian the british government

34:54

says that or

34:56

cure there is acceptable

34:59

the answers or wrong from individuals

35:01

under torture is acceptable now

35:05

essential one eighty from western civilization

35:08

and every canada and for free society you

35:10

cannot trust concessions from torture

35:12

you cannot trust the government that will sure

35:15

people

35:16

for you'll have to rethink your views on

35:18

our airmen being tortured by the north

35:20

vietnamese or by hitler

35:23

or what josef mengele dead

35:25

in the death camps in nazi germany

35:27

or year ago yep i didn't know that

35:29

some people probably don't believe me but i really

35:32

do try i

35:54

a yeah

36:01

unfortunately i know from listening dollars into the future

36:03

that he doesn't necessarily have this is consistent brazil

36:06

he always sticks to totally fine with certain that

36:08

doesn't have to ruin the fun for the moment

36:10

certain people get to torture as much as

36:12

i do thousand three though

36:15

were on board one hundred percent know torch

36:17

her ah yes thank you this

36:19

was this was about an m i five expert

36:21

testifying they wouldn't think that information

36:23

derived from torture is always

36:26

not correct and it sometimes

36:28

it could be useful which sucks and

36:30

even if that statement is true it doesn't make the case

36:32

for using their practice any more compelling

36:35

yeah the both nine eleven time was

36:37

a horrific period where people were

36:39

openly discussing whether or not the benefits of torturing

36:41

people made up for the inhumanity of it it's

36:44

not pleasant necessarily to go back

36:46

in and see just how awful

36:49

things were the operations that were happening

36:51

in vienna presumably mainstream spaces

36:53

death that alex has such an easy

36:56

stance to take yeah to appear to be

36:59

the same want it is hard to

37:01

imagine

37:02

not reaching the bar of

37:04

don't torture human beings

37:06

they are and it's like it's it is

37:09

amazing that the bush administration

37:12

was like okay we gotta get the shady

37:14

is the most evil lawyers we can find to

37:16

write a torture memos that says it's okay

37:18

for us to torture and then we haven't

37:20

even haunted them down and put them in

37:22

jail for the rest of their them you know like

37:24

they're just allowed to continue walking

37:27

the earth like they're fun yeah you know

37:29

and a lot of people on the left obviously

37:31

were opposed right

37:34

thousand are no

37:36

some of them more mainstream figures that you might

37:38

see like politicians out or maybe

37:41

we're more hi

37:43

you do the political system and more encumbered

37:45

than someone like alex who can give full throated

37:47

the a condemnation rise of i ramble

37:50

about stuff that's really exciting frank

37:52

whether it's true or not in many cases

37:54

and i can really see how

37:56

that would make him pretty

37:59

attractive to will we are are

38:01

you

38:02

here understand why people are having

38:04

a conversation about whether you can torture we've i mean

38:06

on a i remember there were

38:08

some people have that as a especially

38:11

where represent ageing the military

38:13

almost always who were just so they

38:15

have mentally pro torture you

38:17

know they would have those fox news

38:19

two heads two sides wasn't

38:22

or to argument wasn't even like man

38:24

cow was fine with water and

38:27

waterboarded , yeah had ever

38:29

be like that kind of stuff happen they're

38:32

amazing just

38:34

it's just incredible disgusting yup

38:36

so alex realizes the hey man

38:38

maybe there's some first time colors are probably

38:41

lay out who i am

38:43

what am i about what are you telling

38:45

another show for the first time and

38:47

you wonder what are all about we're

38:49

constitutional a tier we believe in the bill

38:51

of rights and constitution we believe in america

38:54

the second amendment in the family in

38:56

jesus christ we believe

38:59

am controlling our borders we believe

39:01

and not attacking sovereign countries that

39:03

have done nothing to us we

39:05

believe and fighting the big brother control

39:08

grab lowering taxes abolishing

39:10

the federal reserve getting out of the united nations

39:14

that means were mortal enemies

39:16

of the neo cons and their liberals

39:18

stooges at also demons walk among

39:21

us yeah we haven't really need the devil

39:23

the seizure more heavily

39:25

in what's going on right now is like of

39:27

the sales pitch of i am

39:29

opposed to torture right is attractive

39:32

now you're going to get people to wiggle off the hook

39:34

is like also

39:37

it's quite literal satan ah

39:39

yes i do a he said that

39:41

liberals we're all just working

39:43

for the devil yeah

39:46

that would been a tougher sell it would have been harder yes

39:48

survey like manna like

39:51

know you think that the royal families

39:53

are the problems the rothschild

39:55

the end of the day the only person who would really

39:57

torture if apple the devil the

39:59

devil

40:00

now i don't i would eclipse of this but i was

40:02

at their eggs is made me think of something and that is

40:04

that like alex is talking a lot about

40:06

like

40:07

you know vaccines and what have you but

40:09

i'm five , doesn't come up

40:11

does not come out strangely mm pay

40:14

because he knew that he knew all along

40:16

that fact she was bad news uh-huh i mean except

40:18

for that stretch where he did well and there's also

40:20

a like international issues and

40:22

things about like monetary stuff

40:24

and sure klaus schwab doesn't come up doesn't

40:27

it seems odd seems very strange seems

40:29

real strength or even think he's talking about bill gates

40:31

health care care gates oh you will the guy

40:34

who does but your he's not coming not anyway

40:37

not a whole lot of content on

40:39

this episode but there is an interesting

40:42

breakdown that alex has where

40:44

he he decides to start talking about how

40:46

like he doesn't watch t v anymore

40:49

and it leads to

40:51

very long ramble

40:53

guy i haven't watched more

40:55

than two hours of tv

40:58

the on the last hundred

41:01

years two weeks or don't normally

41:03

i want one an hour a day become physically

41:05

ill literally i get nauseated

41:07

nine right and

41:09

i can see i'm lying seeing

41:12

how evil they are watching their smirking

41:15

criminality i can handle it anymore promising

41:19

you to type ashcroft on cspan on as

41:21

day the hillary

41:23

clinton i'm asking you to keep track of these

41:25

people i can't do it anymore that

41:29

just i'm so happy not

41:31

watching tv for the last week

41:34

is wonderful and

41:37

though are

41:39

you see shop on c span of the news police

41:41

type of the senators market and

41:43

jami what it is and then image if it's important

41:45

i'll watch it into something with it i understand

41:48

like it's better to not spend a lot

41:50

of time watching tv but

41:52

this is your job it

41:54

is making other people do your job now yeah

41:57

i mean you couldn't you couldn't hire somebody

42:00

do it for you the a lot of a lot

42:02

of shows in fact every

42:04

with late show has a writers' room dedicated

42:07

almost entirely do watching sit all

42:09

day that's true i'm

42:11

i'm a but even on the on the flip side of her

42:13

like live with his let's look at this i mean

42:15

like listening to alex is your socks

42:17

gather i ,

42:19

like it enjoy of much are you going to crowdsource

42:21

that you imagine just say like

42:24

listen i'm not doing her job anymore

42:26

if you guys want us to talk about something

42:28

out just said send us the

42:30

class on you doubt will be earth

42:33

handle it anymore as anymore sucker i'm

42:36

a subject you to the formula of will

42:38

do and alex call him so he

42:40

is certainly i thought i thought i'm gonna

42:42

be short but it is it is not because alex

42:45

fakes lumping

42:47

of a physical response your

42:49

yes i can't do i can't watch

42:52

them anymore it's it's too painful

42:56

that's exactly what they are and

42:59

just thinking about it i'm getting sick at my

43:01

stomach i'm getting a headache right

43:03

now dynamic into

43:05

my mind the images of

43:07

amount of my mind of there we go

43:11

these people have been in

43:13

it really is affecting me okay now sir

43:15

at the delegates wow that sounds i'm

43:18

saying i mean that so intense

43:20

that feeling said i'm getting from him revoke

43:22

i get another mama ah

43:26

so , supposed to be go to calls for your

43:28

editor it's just kind of shivering the

43:32

it goes on it just goes on and on the

43:34

propaganda as gotten so bad i turned it off

43:38

again i just walk around the office the

43:41

walk around home

43:43

in and watch him all over the channels and

43:45

i turn up the volume and hear what they were saying and

43:47

palmer tape and i kept types all of his

43:49

yard and i've got giants that's

43:52

a video we haven't even longer watched

43:54

yeah the

43:56

whole do and about got got the better

43:58

office and i've got more one are now

44:00

trying to log these a macho man law

44:06

or so evil there's no way to track their lies

44:08

and evil i could read one article and dissected michelle

44:10

you hundreds of lies and do it

44:14

hi your calls have come up with a minute when

44:18

i literally just get a painting headache the

44:22

so painful sort of getting nauseated

44:25

thinking about it because

44:27

i have watched the serial killer set up there

44:29

and then and and talk about how

44:32

we're going to save us by taking all our rights away

44:34

and we'll just have a more control what can i

44:36

get it why you you think to headache

44:39

and stomach ache

44:40

i get it yeah i hope you don't have to keep it to explaining

44:42

that i can't stand to look at these people

44:45

i it one more time while he's

44:47

going to i believe you and not

44:49

only is he going to say it he's going to he's

44:51

going to a

44:59

gotta be tough to be somebody that you

45:01

know is guilty get away

45:03

with a crime sure but it's

45:05

not nearly as hard as what alex has to put no

45:07

absolutely not alex has a much bigger

45:09

cross defiantly cops don't you sit on

45:13

imagine police officers good police

45:15

officers good detectives good f b i that are

45:17

out there who work in part mental eyes and actually

45:19

do actually good job they know what i'm talking

45:21

about they know what it's like to know somebody

45:24

is a criminal the know there are there are to

45:26

know their a thief the watch

45:28

him get away with it and a watch

45:30

them there's

45:32

the police don't know what it's like them because they don't have

45:35

to that you get a criminal and

45:37

watch him on the news as our savior

45:39

been given rewards and awards

45:42

i guess you don't know which actually that is the cops

45:44

and what a few of the police and detectives out

45:46

there that experienced okay it's

45:49

a lot worse it's very painful

45:53

are

45:56

are gonna cover some listeners are promising the

45:59

to the loaded germany the

46:07

really did affect me million battles images

46:10

that's why turn the tv is also an animal

46:12

how long i'm gonna do it because i get

46:14

all the say news or newspaper and more

46:16

i just

46:19

i just don't have to look at some alright

46:22

alright this goes on quite a while

46:24

wow via the see does

46:26

he think that more explaining

46:28

means he gets more sympathy for make

46:31

them because it's the inverse the

46:33

more you explain why i should be sympathetic

46:35

to you the less sympathetic i ask

46:37

why i also think that maybe he

46:40

doesn't get their his

46:42

, has been made you know yeah

46:44

i think that sometimes you feel like like

46:47

come with another way to say yeah i as

46:50

i think he thinks he's adding more detail

46:52

eyebrows to repeating the same rye

46:54

rye he's he's like oh my god this

46:56

horse just cost better keep eaten it

47:00

so that this does and

47:02

eventually even

47:04

i'm in a guarantee that out doesn't want to plenty a tv

47:07

i ah but he gets call

47:09

from somebody who wants to know about a

47:12

a a draft piece

47:14

of legislation that alex's push oh

47:18

boy here we have we

47:22

don't know how to moines or my resolution

47:25

see save the melon rights

47:27

campaigners from house for some cities

47:29

and towns there are many

47:31

other resolution some are weaker

47:34

are few others might be a little bit stronger

47:36

than mine though mine doubt it you

47:39

find a like minded city councilmember

47:42

you approach them and you bring him a few news

47:44

articles that are all over the place

47:46

like the one out of the anchorage daily news

47:49

elders words as alone republicans

47:53

pass the a male

47:55

decrying the patriot act and restoring the

47:57

battle right the constitution lives

48:01

in alaska are doing this other

48:03

trying to do with the salt lake city conservative towns

48:05

around salt lake or passing are

48:07

you from conservative towns in florida doing

48:10

it and you say this was a conservative issue

48:12

because they're gonna try to say it's a liberal issue they're gonna do that

48:14

the media and balkanized thanks then

48:17

you say we want you to simply

48:19

say the balloon rides a constitution or stolen

48:21

of such an astounding and sounds and the you're

48:23

going to stand up for it then

48:25

you also pass out copies to to tell

48:27

your friends who were gonna be there and you have them or call

48:30

members of the council beforehand or go down

48:32

and talk film and present earth ask him to have

48:34

a cup of coffee was he in the morning the

48:36

local coffee shop and you educate

48:39

them about it and then you ask them

48:41

respectfully to pass it then of they

48:43

refuse you start coming down and

48:45

decrying them as of spending

48:48

on the graves of our veterans of they won't simply

48:50

pass a resolution saying about one

48:52

rights is in in

48:55

power and your city or town hell yeah

48:58

like was really interesting cause other you really boils

49:00

down out as approach to politics that

49:02

was renamed play this out on a number of

49:04

occasions like when he was obsessed with state legislators

49:07

pass bills to affirm the tenth amendment

49:09

for a few months of two thousand and nine he

49:11

does this shit what what happens

49:13

is that alex who identify a perceived

49:16

threat and come up with a completely symbolic

49:18

in meaningless solution to it he's

49:20

mad about the patriot act so we want states to pass

49:22

bills that say the constitution is real

49:25

whether or not these days pass these bills

49:28

that is no effect on whether or not the constitution

49:30

is real this is the from

49:32

top to bottom just a pr ploy this

49:35

may work in some places but not

49:37

many most governing bodies

49:39

would be able to see that as that purely symbolic

49:42

entirely meaningless act and to pass to pass

49:44

like this would only serve to give the appearance of

49:46

folks like alex have real institutional

49:48

power within the party this would

49:50

be giving be friends right wing the appearance

49:52

of a victory with nothing actually achieved

49:55

and nothing gained for the politicians themselves

49:58

it would in effect be the government reading

50:00

power to the friends which is unlikely

50:02

to ever happen in normal times

50:04

without a fight right and that's why

50:06

the second aspect of alex a strategy comes

50:08

in where he tells people to decry politicians

50:11

who will play ball as people who spit

50:13

on the graves a veteran sure he's basically

50:15

hoping that is kind of threat will be enough to get these

50:17

politicians to go along with is meaningless bill

50:20

and that will to some degree allow alex

50:22

to demonstrate his own relevance and influence

50:24

within mainstream politics without anything

50:26

getting done and no risk actually being

50:28

taken this is a model

50:31

that you see often in the right wing media

50:33

both one of the things have kind of troubling

50:35

is that nor last episode we saw marjorie

50:37

taylor green basically playing the same games

50:40

with her congressional accountability act when

50:42

people have meant that the right wing has become

50:45

conspiracy minded and like alex nothing

50:47

to really keep an eye on is how much as the folks

50:49

like marjorie our governing like alex

50:51

night as opposed to just

50:53

they're in the kind of stuff i think

50:56

that congress men should be here

51:00

okay

51:01

right so they can vote they can

51:03

vote anyways and yeah but

51:05

now the superbowl and if they

51:07

don't do it we will ah

51:10

but

51:11

i get harassed let me let me throw the about

51:13

and tape them as cover up artists

51:16

let me throw this out at your ah here's

51:18

how useless that bill is

51:21

you alex is bill yeah you couldn't

51:23

write a bill saying that they're

51:25

not in

51:27

back for her right right

51:29

so he doesn't matter if you if you can't

51:32

write a law saying you can't do this

51:34

there's no point writing a loss a new guess

51:36

it's not like have some town

51:38

in florida too right a

51:40

bill that says you have to quarter soldiers

51:43

yeah i mean that would be insane a man you

51:45

do as a that's not how it works ah

51:48

nope nope nope as you can't have somebody who's

51:50

like ah you have to quarter soldiers

51:53

because here we don't even worry

51:55

about the constitute what what are you talking

51:57

about the as that the didn't go anywhere shockingly

52:00

i'm and neither does this fucking episode

52:02

because we go unless it's

52:05

alex making another dumb predictions

52:07

are at documents released on or america's remember

52:09

my cannot reveal that and energy task

52:12

force my force my president cheney was

52:14

examining iraq's oil assets two years

52:16

before the latest war began

52:19

the papers were obtained after a long battle

52:21

with the white house by judicial watch conservative

52:23

legal charity that opposes

52:25

government secrecy and which is

52:28

suing for the dealings of the

52:30

task force to be made public there's

52:32

just some of what they got most of us have been

52:34

released the

52:36

emergence of a documents reveal lines in america's

52:39

war in iraq there's much

52:41

to do with oil as national security it

52:43

also indicates a the moment of creation is beginning

52:45

to lose the battle games eternal work

52:47

in secret don't think the military

52:49

industrial complex won't detonate a nuclear really

52:52

smallpox smoke screen

52:54

all this we're in

52:56

very bad trouble night now i find a gotta protect

52:58

us and you better pray that results

53:00

protect us farmers able oh lord

53:03

so it's fair other these

53:05

are real documents and the judicial

53:07

watch did get them released but the coverage

53:10

to them as a little bit skewed the

53:12

sixteen pages of documents do include

53:14

a map overacts oil fields but

53:16

it also includes a map of the oil fields

53:18

in saudi arabia and the united arab emirates

53:22

it seems safe to say these documents show that

53:24

cheney and his energy task force were aware

53:26

of iraqi oil fields prior to nine eleven

53:28

but the larger picture of a set

53:30

of documents make it difficult to use as definitive

53:33

proof that the bush administration did nine eleven

53:35

or started the war in iraq specifically for oil

53:37

price whether or not you believe that be the

53:39

case for other reasons these documents are

53:41

not good proof for that conclusion because they

53:43

also contain oil fields oil other

53:45

countries that weren't invaded regime to be

53:48

counter examples to the presentation

53:50

that alex is making about his documents yes

53:52

larger picture though this is a good example

53:54

of how alex covers stuff there's

53:56

some documents i got release that he can exaggerate

53:59

and sensational

54:00

it ain't in order to amplify their importance

54:02

he suggests the bush myself a fuckin

54:04

nuked a really small pox in

54:06

order to distract from these documents

54:08

yes is very common for him and probably

54:10

the only reason we don't have a clip like isn't every

54:13

episode because i ignore this shit most of the time

54:15

since it does get tedious a my very tedious

54:18

now so we dumped at the twenty

54:20

third i mean just

54:22

simply you don't need

54:24

to set off a nuke to get people to

54:26

not pay attention to judicial watch

54:29

strew you know i would i

54:31

would be interested to do some national polling

54:33

to see how many viewers even whole judicial watch

54:35

that the i would say a lot

54:37

of people probably don't smell

54:39

the be fair in two thousand three larry

54:41

klayman was not in charge yeah

54:43

that is trail is tom fitton this

54:47

is not acclaim and joyce

54:49

i mean to distract from judicial watch you could

54:51

probably like turned the lights out

54:53

in a little part of nashville and

54:55

the whole country be like while we don't need to pay attention

54:58

a judicial watch now there's this lights

55:00

out national situation enough it's

55:02

not that big of a deal yeah i think

55:04

to distract from this you

55:06

could

55:08

no no televise a concert

55:10

slick phobic that trivial attack

55:12

o s v the liberty

55:14

covert messages right be more than

55:16

enough to distract from bring back rakim

55:18

jocks basketball and british

55:21

, twenties aka aka

55:24

that's so we don't have the twenty third

55:26

and halleck says he starts off guy with

55:28

a weird guy with

55:31

men ordered to stay in

55:33

eu from a b c news man

55:36

order to stay in their homes and spain

55:38

at nine the new feminist

55:41

move by the government they say

55:43

it's very loving and of you're against us you're against

55:45

women there's a

55:47

night time curfew now and a major city

55:49

because well men should be doing more

55:51

the house for this

55:53

is a micro management of government and

55:55

about one of the global his biggest allies

55:58

in juan carlos spain

56:00

and others

56:01

the weirdly i thought this had to

56:03

have been about the fact that the night before

56:05

this there were two bombings a

56:07

popular spanish resorts and our contacts

56:10

and ben door the i

56:12

thought for sure that's what the story oh

56:14

so you're thinking that because

56:17

of those bombings they instituted

56:19

a curfew i thought for sure that was the

56:21

case i mean it would make sense for that to be the

56:23

case although these two resorts there were approximately

56:25

twenty nine miles apart those obviously

56:27

a terrorist attack that required coordination

56:30

are in a basque separatist group called the

56:32

eat yea had are taking i

56:35

was certain this is a situation

56:37

where there is a curfew of the only thing that makes sense ah

56:40

but that wasn't the case oh no and ultimately

56:42

alex never even brings up those bahamas this

56:45

actually is kind of what alex's

56:47

climate system so

56:50

the mayor of a town in spain poor and

56:52

on him and know i said

56:54

that says that men had to be under

56:56

by nine o'clock on thursday so they

56:58

could do chores it's real

57:00

but that is not a fucking love

57:03

it i think it's great thursday the

57:05

my town where to be ladies night from met

57:07

on this was a guy named javier

57:10

check out and because of decisions like

57:12

this he lost reelection for mayor the next

57:14

year and this was ultimately it inconsequential

57:16

human interest story ib that will happen

57:18

if you do acts like a silly

57:21

cloud man is like also

57:25

the , for this

57:27

story and might be relevant to

57:29

the people who lived in that town but the idea

57:31

that it's that story that alex is reporting on is a

57:33

national radio show isn't gonna prove that men

57:36

are under attack by out of control feminism

57:38

is comical men are out of its are

57:41

under attack by the mad hatter half

57:43

an hour every every

57:48

day i am a matter of if had

57:50

anything to do with one car suspicious

57:52

ridiculous as feel like

57:54

a better use of our time as someone

57:56

is interested in import news of the to talk about

57:59

the fucking ball

58:00

bombing that resorts to pay before

58:02

what happened at that would make said these

58:04

total of them without a spain and

58:06

it's non trivial bullshit like that as as

58:08

opposed to to arise

58:11

where foreign nationals writing and

58:13

hurt right but i recovered or

58:15

know i have a ladies' night on

58:17

thursdays town wide that's a fun

58:19

story that more fun to talk about the bombing but it

58:21

shows it shows the level of content

58:23

that outside of equipped to him to

58:26

to run was absorbed as long

58:29

, he never talked about anything but

58:31

like ladies nights in weirdo towns

58:33

that's great out at radio out jones

58:35

hear about an rv amazon now now

58:39

nice largely avoided made

58:41

the movies the signers

58:44

lies and drive and that's what he's going to

58:46

do it and it's all lube is

58:50

bad news but the movie oh no closed

58:52

off so

58:54

we have our it's just sort of

58:56

bouncing around talking about talking about topics

58:58

your gets into a little bit of fluoride theo

59:01

real weirdo and the bourbon nonsense

59:04

when you're in the stores you see the water

59:06

for instance in the jobs and

59:08

it says fortified with

59:11

fluorides yum

59:13

yum yum and then you looking for

59:15

thousands of medical reports about his attacks

59:18

the mind development his

59:21

bone fractures contrary to popular

59:23

belief what are so what give that to them as well

59:27

then you read hopefully

59:30

he's brave new world

59:33

written and nineteen thirty three

59:36

then he talks about a government plan to

59:38

dumb down children at birth or in the

59:41

womb at do have a sub class of

59:43

mindless idiots the

59:45

your another ruling elite who are more intelligent

59:47

and can control the population

59:49

this is what feudalism always done by

59:51

trying to keep the serves on tiny plots

59:54

of land subsistence level

59:56

so they're running so fast on the treadmill

59:59

under malnutrition

1:00:01

that they literally are

1:00:04

retarded we

1:00:06

see this what the science of japan yeah

1:00:09

we saw with the source of russia the

1:00:12

same system but now it's more sophisticated

1:00:14

you say what a minute holder's actually

1:00:18

he was a fiction writer well his brother

1:00:20

was the first secretary general

1:00:24

the a criminal organization

1:00:26

that moisture signed onto an increase funding

1:00:28

for the first

1:00:30

secretary general nineteen forty search the

1:00:33

was there for many years julian

1:00:35

huxley of unesco

1:00:38

we've entered his here and i think we should era idea

1:00:41

the forty five minute speech the

1:00:43

last speech that oldest huxley

1:00:46

brother of julian huxley gave

1:00:48

with berkeley university in

1:00:50

california in nineteen sixty

1:00:52

two an

1:00:55

enormous speech he said that brave

1:00:57

new world was actually the government

1:00:59

plan

1:01:00

that he had gotten it from his brother

1:01:04

make , man's both

1:01:06

a complete that would have been have

1:01:08

very important news i'd

1:01:10

have news i'd if he had deliberately

1:01:12

reveal that a brave new world

1:01:15

is actually my brother's plan from the beginning

1:01:17

of ah was a

1:01:19

fucking lie bf using don't listen

1:01:21

to brave new world we visited if you want it's

1:01:23

readily available online and at no

1:01:25

point in it as aldous huxley say the brave

1:01:27

new world is based on a secret government plan his brother

1:01:30

told them about which you know about because he

1:01:32

was in charge of unesco nor does he cackle maniacal

1:01:34

like of a supervillain he would be if that were

1:01:36

true he does not this is an absolute

1:01:39

lie and get this alex knows

1:01:41

that it's a lie or you know that he knows that oh

1:01:43

yeah i can say with confidence

1:01:45

because he uses selectively edited clips

1:01:47

of brave new world we visited in his documentaries

1:01:50

and an order to get those clips that he uses he would

1:01:52

have to be familiar with the larger context and

1:01:55

he had to you'd have to know that he's creating

1:01:57

a distorted manipulative image also

1:02:00

what an honor times in the past with laura doesn't

1:02:02

dumb children down it's a positive

1:02:04

and as dramatically reduce dental problems in this

1:02:06

country go there is definitely a concern

1:02:08

about it having a dangerous effect and high enough

1:02:10

doses shots that's what the study's

1:02:12

east referencing are which is lying

1:02:15

about to apply to the incredibly low amount that

1:02:17

and tap water alex has has

1:02:19

about fluoride which he can't back

1:02:21

up of he's forced actually get into the details

1:02:23

about it so instead of doing that he just

1:02:25

distract to the side story about how the

1:02:27

addition of fluoride and waters as i brave new world

1:02:29

and to do know that the author that book admitted that it

1:02:31

to seek government but double dog as brother dogs

1:02:35

great fun conspiracy for the listener to

1:02:37

make themselves afraid of but it's bullshit

1:02:39

fluorides terrifying now look over

1:02:41

at these jangling keys was

1:02:43

, whole silex

1:02:46

runs at silex runs a bit

1:02:48

forty minutes into the show

1:02:50

is been

1:02:52

talking about nothing yeah more or less

1:02:54

nothing sure and

1:02:57

for the korea decides on go to calls oh

1:02:59

boy this was a mistake that's not going to goes

1:03:02

this first call her that he gets the

1:03:04

eaten for a fight and

1:03:06

this this is very

1:03:09

exciting us do it you know we have this

1:03:11

stretch of time where there's really not much going

1:03:13

on at this is where i felt like businesses

1:03:15

really going to pick up a half this guy this

1:03:17

canadian weirdo i

1:03:20

just

1:03:20

more evil than i thought it could do you didn't

1:03:23

understand the depths of evil still

1:03:25

plumbing yes

1:03:28

i'm a deep diver the news

1:03:30

i've faced it i have faced

1:03:32

the matrix was idiot horrifying

1:03:36

the har is that more of you are was

1:03:38

he not quick enough the

1:03:40

situation home on get back in other news

1:03:43

the and canada go ahead sir

1:03:45

i'm one of your this has done so

1:03:47

i hope you don't cut me off now go

1:03:50

ahead you know i i am a canadian who

1:03:52

support the us troops and

1:03:54

the war in iraq the

1:03:57

there are lots of canadian

1:04:00

they were less we're

1:04:02

not a bunch of cowards read

1:04:04

or not and vietnam also you

1:04:06

know when your draft dodgers came up here

1:04:08

by the thousand canadian

1:04:12

volunteered to fight in vietnam

1:04:14

and they didn't have to you

1:04:16

know that during

1:04:18

the us army and the marines than they

1:04:20

fought in vietnam were

1:04:23

you when i listen to you

1:04:25

you're twisting and manipulating the

1:04:27

news every morning the

1:04:30

british news story this morning as

1:04:32

the killing of saddam stunning that

1:04:35

was going on you

1:04:37

apparently i haven't heard about that or you know

1:04:40

i don't i was it was to thank you for

1:04:42

reminding me it's right here in front of

1:04:44

me was in fact it was us to stories

1:04:46

down i would have gotten to us before the our

1:04:48

in our well as a bigger story gets off

1:04:50

your quite a time to get to with one

1:04:53

, these guys as i say

1:04:55

hey hey hey other one doesn't matter

1:04:58

i'm putting on whole don't hang up okay weasel

1:05:01

we as a weasel that is awesome

1:05:03

earlier and begin to describe how excited i

1:05:05

was my or the scholars the last few days

1:05:07

of as you have been a slog of

1:05:09

alex rambling about nothing but this canadian

1:05:11

weirdo seems like the shot in the arm that alex

1:05:13

was going to need to get his game face on

1:05:16

it's a perilous situation sometimes listen

1:05:18

to these scholars they almost always

1:05:20

just agree with whatever alex insane but

1:05:23

insane the cases where they disagree with them they're often

1:05:25

still ass holes and wrong that's

1:05:27

the kind of situation we have here this dude

1:05:29

and can't i was pumped about the iraq war who

1:05:31

wants to emasculate alex for not be manly

1:05:33

enough to support it really fun

1:05:36

yes that also kind of sucks though and

1:05:38

it was looking like i was gonna have to side with alec

1:05:40

since obviously opposition to the war is the

1:05:42

right position america to be on team wars

1:05:44

cool ah but then the color drops

1:05:46

and fucking bomb on alex's plate this

1:05:49

is like forty minutes into the show as best as i can

1:05:51

tell alex hasn't really covered any actual

1:05:53

news that's bad enough on a slow day

1:05:55

but saddam kids were killed today

1:05:58

and i'm honestly not sure of our the would have

1:06:00

even gotten to that story of the colorado brow

1:06:03

alec this whole thing about iraq is that saddam

1:06:05

has been secret it out of the country in his living

1:06:07

on some island and luxury or possibly and russia

1:06:10

so it seems like it could be a little hard

1:06:12

for him decide what a weird a land on this

1:06:14

story if , accepts that it really

1:06:16

is today and to say who died then

1:06:18

he probably has some recalibration

1:06:21

to do on his narrative how are the

1:06:23

listener supposed to believe that saddam was taken

1:06:25

to taken beach resort but some i was children

1:06:27

were left in mosul and killed in a

1:06:29

firefight with us troops that

1:06:31

seems like that hard story to make stuff conversely

1:06:34

on what grounds is alex can be able to claim

1:06:36

some kind of conspiracy here does he go

1:06:38

with like a body double theory or does he does

1:06:40

deny that had happened the piece

1:06:42

of news that i can definitely see alex being a bit

1:06:44

reluctant to take his position on

1:06:47

immediately because the implications it

1:06:49

could have for other larger narratives about

1:06:51

the war or are real and

1:06:53

they're more important for him to protect yeah gotta

1:06:55

think about this one i do love the color

1:06:57

is forcing his hand on this what

1:06:59

i have to say it's very clear that

1:07:02

this is guys probably a huge ass off oh

1:07:04

totally so

1:07:05

not only did self censor he almost thirty

1:07:08

years you're taking your sweet as time about

1:07:10

i have any was like you are you sure

1:07:12

took your time to get there is nothing if

1:07:14

not canadian polite yeah i'm

1:07:16

so our have a warmonger

1:07:19

but i'm going to say thank you and please a half salads

1:07:22

our skulls and a weasel her

1:07:24

say weasel yeah that's yeah good start all over

1:07:26

reboot your point though here we go and

1:07:28

so here's the first attempt to that's do it putting

1:07:31

on whole don't hang up okay weasel

1:07:33

honey counter what you're saying these

1:07:35

my feet here okay we

1:07:37

begin on piece by piece you

1:07:40

can make an accusation and i'm gonna countered that

1:07:42

point ron paul

1:07:45

who serve what is to times

1:07:47

and tours and vietnam the

1:07:50

flight surgeon okay

1:07:53

frontline ron

1:07:55

paul says the war's wrong answers

1:07:58

to fall don't know

1:08:00

about mr bush

1:08:02

knew only spent a year as year national guard

1:08:04

and guard and a wall you know about the

1:08:06

rest of us capitol hill role either draft dodgers

1:08:09

got deferments

1:08:10

look stronger that first number two

1:08:13

so this really doesn't do much to counter

1:08:15

with the caller said the caller said that he is

1:08:17

tired of alex's anti war talk in the canadians

1:08:19

a brave go to war or something like that right

1:08:21

aussies rebuttal to that is they ron paul's

1:08:24

a doctor in vietnam and he says the war is bad

1:08:27

basically an appeal to authority that's pretty

1:08:29

much meaningless on this conversation i

1:08:31

was waiting for him to reply with see

1:08:33

the royal family owns all the tabloid

1:08:36

i don't i have access to modern art jag

1:08:38

metrics saying that burst onto

1:08:40

the drive is like as equally on important

1:08:42

to the boy that's going on so far

1:08:44

this seems like a bit of flailing on alex

1:08:46

is part and i possibly an attempt to pop

1:08:48

up ron paul's military service credentials

1:08:51

could be so that's the first point

1:08:53

and area to the second point which i guess is

1:08:55

about the fact that out haven't

1:08:57

covered saddam kids number

1:09:00

two

1:09:01

the went off into this whole a

1:09:03

diatribe about how didn't talk about saddam

1:09:05

hussein's sons well i guess

1:09:07

i'm cursed with something i belong to a memory

1:09:10

i'm sorry white killed chemical ali

1:09:13

nice little name regularly the

1:09:16

and or it turns out they did they

1:09:18

coined by killed saddam not

1:09:20

once not twice but three separate times

1:09:23

of and said he was alive again because i know

1:09:25

you need little mindless victory so they give

1:09:27

you false ones all we finally got goldstein

1:09:29

and then goldstein by was nineteen

1:09:32

for illusion alluding

1:09:34

to that if she's not illusion and alluding to this

1:09:38

whole thing about oh they they they had

1:09:40

a firefight and killed four people in there and

1:09:43

of the of their sure they look they kill

1:09:45

these guys i have known

1:09:47

and rumsfeld saying a week before the war they

1:09:49

paid off the iraqi leadership and they were gonna lay

1:09:51

down their arms were my herself avoid

1:09:53

or seems loan out on on jet aircraft

1:09:56

according to the russian and iranian

1:09:59

news they were flown the safety

1:10:01

yeah now russia this smells of

1:10:03

bullshit ah if our position

1:10:05

was the the globalists constantly report

1:10:07

the people are dead but actually are

1:10:09

the you would have led the show talking about others is

1:10:11

a big cover up in there today to say

1:10:14

weren't really dead you didn't do

1:10:16

that ensure no indication of even being aware

1:10:18

of the story until the color brought it up so to me

1:10:21

this sounds more like defensiveness alex

1:10:23

, bring up some cases of misreporting

1:10:25

that have happened in the haze of war in

1:10:27

april two thousand three all these us on

1:10:29

our majeed or chemical ali was

1:10:32

thought to be dead after his villa in basra

1:10:34

was the target of an airstrike airstrike

1:10:36

new york post report on the situation and quoted rumsfeld

1:10:39

as a quote we believe the reign

1:10:41

of chemical ali has come to an to additionally

1:10:44

they spoke to a major and the british third

1:10:46

battalion parachute regiment who said they'd

1:10:48

recovered quote a body that was thought

1:10:50

to was majeed this looked

1:10:52

like a fairly safe assumption to make given

1:10:54

the information coming in but it ultimately

1:10:57

turned out to be wrong and that can happen when

1:10:59

you're talking about casualties in

1:11:01

the aftermath immediately of an airstrike right

1:11:03

price with saddam himself there

1:11:05

were instances of rumors of his death being

1:11:07

reported by western news outlets but i don't

1:11:09

believe that it was never officially said that he was

1:11:11

dead like the any like strong

1:11:14

confirmation like think somebody did

1:11:16

start singing or something like chemical

1:11:19

ali evil

1:11:21

is he now he's dead

1:11:24

i weigh about one where did all that long

1:11:26

time as i was doing it i got breast

1:11:28

sir i got their k s

1:11:31

ah so saddam had a lot

1:11:33

of enemies and a was in poor health particularly

1:11:35

in early two thousand and one when one of these rumors

1:11:38

made the rounds there was a part of

1:11:40

this reporting is probably something of a psych

1:11:42

warfare tactics meant to make saddam look

1:11:44

weak in a way they might inspire

1:11:46

one of his rivals to be like on as the time

1:11:49

to seize power not lying necessarily

1:11:51

a good thing but if that was the strategy a kind

1:11:53

of makes sense right i'd terms left

1:11:55

surf in the case of ou de qu se

1:11:57

this wasn't a rumor or a pass

1:12:00

for killing from an air strike this was on

1:12:02

the ground fighting that happened in the troops released

1:12:04

photographic evidence confirming that

1:12:06

saddam children and one of his grandchildren were

1:12:08

killed just us troops are also tipped

1:12:11

off to you day and to say his whereabouts my

1:12:13

the guy was letting them stay with him so they

1:12:15

had fairly strong intel even prior

1:12:17

to going in to the site yeah i

1:12:19

can understand out isn't instinct or skepticism

1:12:22

but it's leading him off track here it's territory

1:12:24

where he just assumes everything is fake without

1:12:26

any justification there been

1:12:28

a few instances of misreported deaths in the past

1:12:30

but that doesn't mean that every death as reported

1:12:32

as reported as and the only way you can

1:12:34

really tell his if you engage with the

1:12:37

actual reporter you can't engage

1:12:39

with the current story by just yelling about things that have

1:12:41

happened in the past because ultimately those things

1:12:43

in the past don't have a direct

1:12:45

impact at the present story also

1:12:48

i'd be remiss my didn't stress thirty cases

1:12:51

that alex that song about being fake being the past

1:12:53

i am a case of stomps get there too

1:12:55

dissimilar to equate to one another suspecting

1:12:58

that someone is killed an airstrike like in the

1:13:00

case of chemical ali israel front than having

1:13:02

intel that someone wasn't someone wasn't place

1:13:05

finding them there and then getting into a gun battle

1:13:07

with that breath it's very very different

1:13:09

yes ultimately the feeling i get from this is

1:13:11

that alex didn't plan on talking about this story

1:13:13

weather because he didn't know about it or because he didn't

1:13:16

want to stake a claim it it feels

1:13:18

quite strongly that this clip is essentially him talking

1:13:20

around the issue in a way that allows him to

1:13:22

call it fake later if he wants but he has

1:13:24

like a client time but not commit any that

1:13:27

he's like i know i have to respond to

1:13:29

this and i'm gonna try and do as much as i can

1:13:32

still like stretch it out

1:13:34

and so maybe he'll quit and i can

1:13:36

just stop talking about right right or

1:13:38

i'll be able to have time to think of something better

1:13:40

i have to defend myself from the

1:13:42

assertion that i didn't talk about this

1:13:45

and i don't want to make a definitive claim

1:13:47

perhaps and so the way to defend myself

1:13:49

as to be like ah i didn't talk about it cause

1:13:52

i'm too smart to brought about exactly

1:13:54

and that's kind of just dumb utterly

1:13:56

rings fault ah yes the rings a little

1:13:58

false cnn

1:14:00

worse because what he does is

1:14:02

just try insists to the conversations

1:14:04

yeah

1:14:05

does the don't sit here incline that were liberal

1:14:08

socialist here because we're just a phoney war

1:14:10

ron paul has the most conservative record

1:14:13

not rhetoric records and

1:14:15

he's against your family war now what are your

1:14:17

side of that body our can i say

1:14:19

something no no no no you answer

1:14:21

my questions what about ron paul

1:14:23

he has he record is not a rhetoric

1:14:26

know what do you say are say calling her

1:14:28

his speech about neo con

1:14:30

okay how about yesterday as

1:14:32

one that alex read as their entirety

1:14:35

seth to exhausting sir alex

1:14:37

has made a pivot in this conversation and

1:14:39

he's now basically insisting that color

1:14:41

is called him a liberal socialist this

1:14:43

has the effect of taking the argument offer

1:14:45

argument offer territory where alex really has nothing

1:14:47

to say and transitions it into a

1:14:50

framing where the color is gonna have to respond

1:14:52

out a straw man you are saying

1:14:54

where liberals socialists are being against the war but

1:14:56

most conservative person in congress ron paul's

1:14:58

against the war are you against ron paul

1:15:00

and thus not really conservative

1:15:03

the tube game butter from a rich rhetoric

1:15:05

perspective it's a super effective debate tactic

1:15:08

that alex and a lot of other shit heads use constantly

1:15:10

and personal insults will help keep

1:15:12

people from recognize weasel

1:15:17

i were you know exists present is it to the scholar

1:15:19

there's a yes or no answer he can

1:15:22

give the takes a conversation nowhere

1:15:24

productive it's essentially meaningless

1:15:26

of it's conservative or liberal to liberal for

1:15:28

be for the war but this is the water else

1:15:31

wants to swim in because that water is fucking shallow

1:15:34

to be honest alex is going to win this argument no

1:15:36

matter what if it goes it keeps going

1:15:38

this way because this guy of them have to defend

1:15:40

the war and how it's going to yell over him at that point

1:15:42

and those are two gigantic kills

1:15:44

with his collar has to climb and no one who

1:15:46

thinks it's a good idea to call in forces up

1:15:48

for that kind of work you bad it's just not good

1:15:51

although this color gave me somewhat

1:15:53

glimmer of hope okay because alex

1:15:56

is really trying to rattle him and

1:15:59

the we've got it whether intentionally

1:16:02

or not this color does the one thing you

1:16:04

can do in that situation

1:16:06

we're talking about reality here now we

1:16:08

see a draft dodging liberal cause he's against the war

1:16:11

talking about you did you ever did you

1:16:13

serve the military has no us all

1:16:16

and let me give you another little news tip your i'm not

1:16:18

going to conserve and of the you when i'm not going to serve

1:16:20

us corporate wars and i got

1:16:22

a hundred million to two hundred billion

1:16:25

funding a mercenary armies

1:16:27

in their hiring illegal aliens with criminal

1:16:30

records now lifestyle india

1:16:32

anyway our don't really see

1:16:35

this is not sorry there's

1:16:37

not a two year old discussion

1:16:39

drama you the most conservative member of congress

1:16:42

the was wrong to don't you don't say

1:16:44

you don't want discuss that later

1:16:48

aurora wrong and others don't very

1:16:52

good work well as usual you can't use you

1:16:54

don't have any code opponents are ya

1:16:56

so you can see something really remarkable happened

1:16:58

there and i wanna bring sharp focus to it what

1:17:01

alex is doing is trying to rattle off as many

1:17:03

talking points as he could an attempt to fluster

1:17:05

the caller the goal was to overwhelm

1:17:07

him with things that he's expected to respond

1:17:09

to and of a call it tries to respond to any

1:17:11

of them as well there's

1:17:13

that or alex as alex as response

1:17:16

preloaded and anyone

1:17:18

if somebody a of is he does a and

1:17:20

the color response to something alex can

1:17:22

just say like you didn't respond to all these other points

1:17:24

that i may yes discolored it exactly

1:17:27

the thing that alex couldn't handle and that's what he ignored

1:17:30

all of ours has distraction bait and kept the points

1:17:32

get he was kind of trying to make the

1:17:34

call or never brought up ron paul over

1:17:36

whether the war with conservative that was all

1:17:38

alex trying to put a position on him from

1:17:41

everything i can tell the collar seems like he

1:17:43

just wanted to argue with alex about him being a coward

1:17:46

and about how it's weirdly didn't cover the story

1:17:48

about saddam son's death that was his agenda

1:17:50

is have a great time though i'm certainly the complete

1:17:53

asshole ipod the scholar for not taking

1:17:55

out as bait and you to kind of see what happens

1:17:57

at that point alex essentially deflate

1:18:00

like okay i use of color doesn't every coach

1:18:02

and points which really just means that

1:18:04

alex was disappointed that he didn't get to bicker

1:18:07

about alex is chosen points

1:18:10

and then alex cause of cause neo con which is the

1:18:12

most dreaded insult on this show since

1:18:14

show since two thousand three yeah that is move

1:18:16

that lower than democrats yeah

1:18:18

as discolor hasn't really brought

1:18:20

up political labels at all almost everything

1:18:23

you see it going on is a piece

1:18:25

of window dressing that alex is set up in

1:18:27

order for this argument to play out how he wants

1:18:29

it to his color isn't playing ball

1:18:31

with that yeah i think it's fascinating

1:18:33

i still sucks though i think it's fascinating

1:18:36

that it seems as though

1:18:38

he good settle on

1:18:40

one position which is ron

1:18:42

paul with my shield

1:18:44

alex yep yep yeah so it's like

1:18:46

i don't even have you want to happen how you have to get through

1:18:48

this rhetorical by remotely you

1:18:50

as if ron paul's the most conservative so

1:18:53

i don't even need to think about my position

1:18:55

right now i've got ron paul is the shield

1:18:57

and then tomorrow i can come up with a good conspiracy

1:18:59

theorist but right now ron paul is block

1:19:02

and vote ron paul's my shield and then my

1:19:04

destruction is this laundry list

1:19:06

of around all these other talking point right

1:19:08

out and or know my views

1:19:10

assume it was it was be sung by blackwater

1:19:13

downtown oh yeah i don't know to

1:19:15

fight for nato or you mm yeah the

1:19:18

up and way to go as days on point and

1:19:20

sides like do

1:19:23

love story with what about the let's see has

1:19:25

come on man gotta talk about second

1:19:27

let's do this getting so that's that i'm

1:19:29

i'm outta here you told us that

1:19:31

saddam and his gang were flown out

1:19:34

with millions and go and now here

1:19:36

they are in baghdad

1:19:40

have you noticed separately approval rating drops and

1:19:42

suddenly they claims which

1:19:44

, they kill saddam they claim they killed

1:19:47

saddam and his sons' three other times

1:19:49

and then later a month later quietly said it wasn't

1:19:51

troops to i'm supposed to believe it comes time

1:19:53

rather than they have the bodies bodies

1:19:57

well when you drop a bomb

1:19:59

on a building be sure of your terms

1:20:01

of but but what about so now

1:20:04

the government doesn't lie to us

1:20:07

okay now man businesses humiliating

1:20:09

for alex out here so much nothing here

1:20:11

and you can tell by how desperate he he has to force

1:20:14

positions onto the collar alex

1:20:16

really isn't making much sense with is insisting

1:20:18

that the deaths of stomps kids must be fake because

1:20:20

there's been misreporting in the past so he decides

1:20:23

to ascribe to the color a position he didn't

1:20:25

take that the government never lies to us

1:20:27

yachts this is another instance of alec season

1:20:30

the same tricky tried unsuccessfully by

1:20:32

appealing to ron paul he wants

1:20:34

the conversation to be on his term so now he's

1:20:36

trying to force the collar to make one of two stances

1:20:39

he can affirm the position alex has forced

1:20:41

on him and say the government never lies to us

1:20:43

than an hour it's can t off about times the government

1:20:45

lied and then claim victory in the conversation

1:20:48

or he can reject a position and outs

1:20:50

will have an inroad to say so you admit the government

1:20:52

lies was not prove that this one isn't a lie exactly

1:20:55

exchanges like this are really

1:20:57

interesting to me because it's actually

1:20:59

really rare to see out his brain working

1:21:02

like you're in this in a sort of arena the

1:21:04

past a lot of the callers you gave would be a fans

1:21:07

are sometimes it just be annoying like

1:21:09

the republic of texas people of all declared

1:21:11

themselves the president of texas having i

1:21:13

get really mad about a one in

1:21:15

the present day this stuff never really happens

1:21:17

at all and if there's disagreement about something

1:21:20

from a collar out such as yell at them and hang

1:21:22

up it's rare that his actual

1:21:24

debate techniques are on display and if you

1:21:26

pay attention to them you can see that almost

1:21:28

all of them are based in misdirection he's

1:21:31

trying to avoid any underlying argument

1:21:33

and i suspect it's because the put

1:21:35

the points his color brings up or a bit threatening

1:21:37

to him

1:21:38

for one eight is true that alex

1:21:40

never brought up saddam sons being killed

1:21:42

which seems like a mark against him as a journalist

1:21:45

even if he thinks it's all fake it seems

1:21:48

like someone who talks about geopolitics on

1:21:50

his show so bad in her as lot of thoughts

1:21:52

about the iraq war i did see that they would

1:21:54

bring up people saying that saddam kids

1:21:56

are dead but he thinks it's bullshit if that his

1:21:58

position i mean on the day that

1:22:00

probably the most important

1:22:02

geopolitical new story you bet out

1:22:04

didn't do that which is weird

1:22:07

weird secondly it

1:22:09

is true that alex never serve the country

1:22:11

which could be a sore spot for a lot of the

1:22:13

military obsessed people in the audience

1:22:16

out , born in nineteen seventy four so he would

1:22:18

have been eighteen and ninety ninety two and eighth

1:22:21

would have been eligible to go fight in somalia

1:22:23

or in bosnia i understand that

1:22:25

he wouldn't have wanted to our might have you

1:22:27

been philosophically opposed to it but it wasn't

1:22:29

even in something like rotc and high school

1:22:31

or when he was in community college college

1:22:34

his audience is particularly focused on the military

1:22:36

but only a part of that has do with service to

1:22:38

the contrary the other part is kind of a

1:22:40

cultural thing where there's a distinction between

1:22:43

the people who would sacrifice and

1:22:45

subject themselves to a thing that require such

1:22:47

a heavy amounts of discipline that

1:22:49

kind of sets you apart from people who didn't

1:22:51

go through an experience like that if

1:22:53

, alex i probably would prefer that this

1:22:55

was brought up israeli as possible and

1:22:57

this call it does seem to be hitting some

1:23:00

soft spots and not taking alex's

1:23:02

distraction baden one of my points

1:23:04

here is that our to really actually isn't

1:23:06

good at this you a bad debater

1:23:09

if you're aware of just some of these really basic tricks

1:23:11

he's trying to pull and really most of the things

1:23:13

he has in his tool kit or just yelling and

1:23:15

hanging up on people it's it's

1:23:18

really it's really interesting to see this

1:23:20

see this this this in

1:23:22

terms of and are like

1:23:24

the back and forth yeah i mean it's

1:23:26

impotence in the sense of herbs

1:23:30

i'm a if the conversation itself was

1:23:32

to have any meaning whatsoever i

1:23:34

mean it is also one of those

1:23:37

the demonstrations

1:23:39

of house stupidity han

1:23:42

appears to be authority him you know

1:23:44

where it's like the fact that he is

1:23:46

the one in power despite having nothing

1:23:48

to say he gets to say the last

1:23:51

word every time but there's no there

1:23:53

are ways to defuse both of

1:23:55

these points easily without

1:23:57

talking about ron paul your that anything

1:24:00

you can say like eager

1:24:02

talk cogently about his

1:24:04

opposition to the war is conscientious

1:24:07

non participation in war

1:24:10

right he could do that and that would

1:24:12

be fine that would possibly

1:24:15

alienate some people in his audience for his

1:24:17

military service is so important fright maybe

1:24:19

that's part of the reason why wouldn't want do that

1:24:21

i don't know but he could do that any doesn't

1:24:25

simultaneously with the story about saddam

1:24:27

scared look i

1:24:29

think obviously that's the biggest news story the

1:24:31

day you would expect it of show like he has would

1:24:33

lead with that death he could diffuse that

1:24:35

instantly badges being hi

1:24:39

i'm allowed to lay out the editorial structure

1:24:41

of my own show the way i want to and

1:24:43

i understand that you think that they should have been brought

1:24:45

up at the beginning of the show but i

1:24:48

have a message to how i'm doing things

1:24:50

told and we're going to get to it i appreciate

1:24:52

you bringing this to the forefront chef he could

1:24:55

have done that very easily and diffuse

1:24:57

this point entirely so if

1:24:59

we wanted to be full of shit he could even be like we have

1:25:01

a turtle metrics most people tuning

1:25:04

around second our i think

1:25:06

about to know he could do something like that

1:25:08

go to the is sometimes we like to warm

1:25:10

up at the beginning of the show maybe

1:25:12

or even how about this a lot of affiliates

1:25:15

don't pick up the first hour or three

1:25:17

sounds perfectly see for anything

1:25:19

anything anything at instead it's this

1:25:21

mess of just half half

1:25:24

assed sort of debate tactic know

1:25:26

it's grim i mean if you wanted to

1:25:28

really be like fine

1:25:30

forty let's go into my world just

1:25:33

just be like oh you fought in vietnam how

1:25:35

did that work out with that a good idea

1:25:38

that's about all that bad move because this guy

1:25:40

probably

1:25:41

what were you wouldn't he wouldn't backed out for know

1:25:43

exactly but think about

1:25:45

how that turns from you

1:25:47

know is your service or any of that

1:25:49

shit and takes it all back on to him

1:25:51

right word but then alex would

1:25:53

end up having to engage in some substance

1:25:56

when the guy comes back at him and things

1:25:58

got so many war crimes that

1:26:00

government lied about in vietnam but

1:26:02

now it's wouldn't be able to engage with those

1:26:04

yeah that i'm doing for way he would only be able

1:26:06

to love rattle off a bunch of vague

1:26:09

pieces of information that he kind of remembers

1:26:12

in that scattershot way that he did

1:26:14

whereas of the instances

1:26:16

of rest reporting the best now he wouldn't have done

1:26:18

any better because he's just simply not equipped to

1:26:20

be able to do it right there a million different

1:26:23

ways to to he just doesn't have doesn't

1:26:25

have sit like honestly

1:26:27

the better way our seduces shock jocks

1:26:30

it's like he should just be like you have a the

1:26:32

queen on your money as hold it was like

1:26:34

was totally yeah fight with

1:26:36

project bullshit das

1:26:38

like as a gauging but also not

1:26:41

is transparent in terms of how bad

1:26:44

see a job he's doing yeah and

1:26:46

that is you know

1:26:48

if you're paying attention to the show alex does not

1:26:50

come off well you know very well could come

1:26:52

off really funny and also dismissive

1:26:54

of this person the point if he were just too

1:26:56

like or i will fight with pass

1:26:59

that the authorities or opioid how

1:27:01

you react so the on those

1:27:03

i hear a noise dudley do write

1:27:06

your mother fuckers yeah

1:27:10

, it's just a do so

1:27:14

nine eleven comes the were

1:27:17

what happened move well out as some

1:27:19

ideas about what happened to okay these are also

1:27:21

ideas he would not admit

1:27:23

he supported the present

1:27:26

day backside and say that and say this

1:27:28

you know that hope as a guy as nine

1:27:30

one one story that's what you'll find

1:27:32

never happened the way it did i never

1:27:34

did

1:27:36

i never did i said all of them were remote control

1:27:39

oh remote control yeah yeah and

1:27:41

don't have the where your heart attacks

1:27:43

or hundred former top us generals

1:27:45

and generals and met in portugal for

1:27:47

the seventy six hour news conference

1:27:50

last year and let it all out

1:27:52

more your data good whitewash on

1:27:54

these islamic feasts were

1:27:56

murdered for him a minute now

1:27:58

is marsha

1:28:00

the ones that f b i informants and

1:28:02

agents live within paid for their houses and cars

1:28:04

on earth credit cards and i try to us bases

1:28:06

in the all the public officials i got told not

1:28:08

to fly that days or the cia the

1:28:10

put put options and on american and united

1:28:13

or maybe you're talking about us troops massing

1:28:15

it a secret cameras biggest asshole maybe see

1:28:17

that falling for terrorist attacks against

1:28:19

behind the new world order you talking about all that

1:28:21

sees using that trick again totally basis

1:28:23

as a long list of tenuously connected talking

1:28:26

points out of able to pull out of his memories

1:28:28

in order to try and overwhelmed the color make

1:28:30

it appear that he can't answer any of this stuff

1:28:33

but again this doesn't have anything to do with the point

1:28:35

of the call this is nine eleven truth or stuff

1:28:37

which isn't really relevant our out didn't join

1:28:39

the military for how out didn't talk

1:28:41

about saddam son's being

1:28:44

they will blame the color for bring up

1:28:46

the nine eleven stuff that lives on had

1:28:48

his birthday gifts exactly if his fault is

1:28:50

on what a good as an abusive debate tactic

1:28:53

else is using during makes her the color has

1:28:55

nowhere to go in his box dance

1:28:57

and the only thing that could really counter this

1:28:59

is ignoring it all and staying focused

1:29:01

on the point that you're disgusting to begin with south

1:29:03

that is the solution to this

1:29:05

kind of attacked

1:29:07

that gonna brushed aside it's the it doesn't

1:29:09

it's demeaning well substance lies

1:29:11

all alex did was go but up up

1:29:13

up up up up up up up up up up

1:29:16

, up and and that

1:29:19

is just ignore a distraction can only really

1:29:21

be countered by staying on target but

1:29:23

all too often responding to one of the items

1:29:25

in out his laundry list is just too tempting

1:29:28

the color doesn't actually doesn't either

1:29:30

thing either doesn't stay on message and

1:29:32

at the same time he doesn't really respond to something alec

1:29:35

said it's that he chooses that new

1:29:37

road to go down which i found

1:29:39

a little bit confusing and bit think he's lost

1:29:41

a threat okay you talking about all that

1:29:43

and how about all of canadian troops

1:29:46

that are renovated the united states while

1:29:48

you're talking about oh you're talking about not know what

1:29:50

about what about your canadian proves that got bombed by

1:29:52

the speed freak spray don't have

1:29:54

any canadian troops in your country yet

1:29:56

we don't even have any to protect our know that

1:29:58

was an official

1:30:00

story of the see i see in the associated

1:30:02

press i signed the deal last year to

1:30:04

bring in foreign troops to quote deal with americans

1:30:06

are not gonna have a death outrageous

1:30:08

don't buy an awesome from either side i suppose

1:30:10

you think it's not true the cable bosses have microphones

1:30:13

are hooked into the here

1:30:17

they don't or may not here

1:30:19

they don't i'm sure they don't yeah

1:30:21

right

1:30:22

the dollars doing okay dodging out to

1:30:24

sit for a while but i think he lost the plot

1:30:26

now he didn't get distracted by something

1:30:29

alec said though which is weird he distracted

1:30:31

himself anyway because

1:30:33

basically over now alex's pimp the collar

1:30:35

into collar bunch of positions he didn't take and the actual

1:30:38

point of the call the long forgotten

1:30:40

by anybody casually listening to this show

1:30:42

oh yeah i have no idea what everybody started about of this

1:30:44

of i hadn't have reminded a couple times you

1:30:46

probably legitimately wouldn't robber why

1:30:48

this call was happen i mean did he just start

1:30:51

referencing the war of a team twelve

1:30:53

when canadian soldiers burned out the white

1:30:55

house is that what he's going know i think he's

1:30:57

talking about alex's theories

1:30:59

about florida and nevada okay

1:31:01

i have i think that's what he saw go over you and

1:31:04

bringing in foreign troops to

1:31:06

, country god says alex his audience

1:31:08

will just hear this extreme

1:31:11

to the time when a canadian who thought the government

1:31:13

was always true for couldn't handle any

1:31:16

of our as points about alex was alex socialist

1:31:18

call them and alec school them and

1:31:20

that's the goal of these debate tactic that alex

1:31:22

uses

1:31:23

they create the impression if you're not paying

1:31:25

attention of the that alex's

1:31:28

kill a net yep and most

1:31:30

of his listeners are paying attention so they'll probably

1:31:32

come away from my thinking like almonds he

1:31:34

nailed that yeah i mean it's always

1:31:36

it's always a an unfortunate

1:31:39

truth that debates are by

1:31:41

despite supposedly being about words

1:31:43

and ideas almost entirely about emotions

1:31:46

a lot of optic stuff yeah

1:31:48

the work at a large part of why i think a

1:31:50

lot of it isn't really worth engaging and very

1:31:52

stupid so i'm a

1:31:55

day i got this call was pretty much over because

1:31:57

i felt like well we've completely gotten

1:31:59

off the we at hand

1:32:01

in both of them have kind of gotten

1:32:04

confused on their own yeah

1:32:06

of but also it there's some insults

1:32:08

that need to go around good

1:32:10

it was right you're just do hate

1:32:12

america you're a traitor and a tower

1:32:15

that's what you are oh sure i am oh yeah when

1:32:17

i'm doing it is a very cowardly

1:32:19

you hate your country you are going up against

1:32:22

the new world order it was very cowardly a new

1:32:24

world order i've heard about the new world order

1:32:26

twenty years ago from the text mars

1:32:28

i had every one of his books you

1:32:30

know what i did recently i throw them all

1:32:33

in the trashcan mars was

1:32:35

writing bunch of about the new world order twenty years ago when

1:32:39

i was , officer in

1:32:41

the airforce riding military policy

1:32:44

births are at work and and eight

1:32:46

and a space and aeronautics professor of the university

1:32:48

of texas and dark smart before

1:32:50

you ever came on the or fifteen years

1:32:53

good friend of mine he married me and my wife and my that

1:32:55

yeah dinner with him and with him a mistrial

1:32:57

read every one of his book

1:33:00

and i finally decided to join the country

1:33:02

and it's all come true and your and your the coward

1:33:04

you are so afraid of this new world order you're

1:33:06

just going to deny because you can't face to hard

1:33:09

pretty fucked up for a number of reasons the

1:33:12

first is that our to saying that he goes detects

1:33:14

mars's church and that tax performed

1:33:16

his wedding i , thought that tax

1:33:18

would refuse to do that weddings and to alex

1:33:20

his first wife was jewish and tax

1:33:22

is a huge anti somewhere else

1:33:25

that also brings me to the big problem with alex

1:33:27

going to texas church it's the texas a

1:33:29

giant anti semite surrender sermons

1:33:31

were often really anti semitic

1:33:34

semitic to sort of right on a technicality though

1:33:36

and that is a terror attacks was writing books

1:33:38

going back to nineteen eighty three which would

1:33:40

be twenty years prior to the south but

1:33:42

his first book at a row with was with

1:33:45

his wife and was titled quote a perfect

1:33:47

name for your pet this

1:33:49

was not an expos an new world order he really

1:33:51

should have stuck with that near that has legs

1:33:54

has formal ah formal couple years later

1:33:56

texas output would change any started

1:33:59

releasing books of time

1:34:00

like rush to armageddon and dark

1:34:02

secrets of the new age that

1:34:04

was in nineteen eighty seven so this collars only

1:34:06

a few years off but strictly speaking alex

1:34:08

is right

1:34:09

i'm not necessarily bring that up to pad out

1:34:11

on the head i'm pointing this out to illustrate

1:34:13

that i think our nose a whole lot about tech

1:34:16

mars and if they did it for amateurs work when

1:34:18

i say the text mars was mars giant if giant

1:34:20

sell my for his whole career i mean that

1:34:23

he was that big it early and to of the

1:34:25

books the released in the years before his death were

1:34:27

titled quote dna science and

1:34:29

the jewish blood line and quote

1:34:32

holy serpent of the jews the

1:34:34

rabbi secret plan for satan to

1:34:36

crush their enemies and vault the jews the

1:34:38

global damen out dominion yeah he

1:34:40

was an anti semite and he was about

1:34:42

sixteen feet tall celts and he

1:34:44

was he was like is heavily

1:34:46

influential in a lot of the

1:34:48

right wing sort of in a way that a lot of them

1:34:52

on it we will not admit nowadays

1:34:54

i'm alex would not talk about how

1:34:56

influential an important x mars is

1:34:59

in twenty twenty two no

1:35:01

i don't think many of them want to

1:35:03

lay claim to their intellectual

1:35:06

forebears if you will know but a two thousand

1:35:08

three was a little bit less problematic

1:35:10

for alex to be upfront

1:35:13

about these are these associations

1:35:15

raise i sort of places where his intellectual

1:35:17

lineage comes out can get kicked off a

1:35:19

look at that point at text mars is a disgusting

1:35:22

bigot and i appreciate how much more forthcoming

1:35:24

alex's about being one of his followers at this

1:35:26

point i'd get into this more deeply

1:35:28

but i have some thoughts about doing a larger series

1:35:31

on tech so that might be something that we deal

1:35:33

with at that point now also

1:35:35

i sure hope that alex doesn't ever

1:35:37

find our tex mars thinks of his buddy ron

1:35:39

paul the most conservative member

1:35:42

of congress i'm a believer

1:35:44

in what , bible says

1:35:47

says over talk

1:35:50

about

1:35:54

democrat republican in you to take

1:35:56

it was wars i'm concerned put him in toes that

1:35:58

and solomon hill i'm

1:36:01

not arguing about through

1:36:03

i'm gonna expose the legionnaires

1:36:05

of saddam

1:36:07

the budget a little understood what bullies for

1:36:09

abolishing the fair don't

1:36:13

know

1:36:14

it is nothing but a bunch of tangerines

1:36:16

up pander to the homosexuals

1:36:19

a pandora

1:36:20

the homosexual he

1:36:23

oh okay yeah

1:36:25

yeah a text mars not a not a fan

1:36:27

know a ron paul that comes

1:36:30

from a a what what was the title

1:36:32

of that sermon a ron paul

1:36:34

as they take away my tax exempt status yeah

1:36:37

ron paul is a pro homosexual

1:36:44

a a a

1:36:48

a a a

1:36:51

a a

1:36:59

i thanks

1:37:03

a lot for the gone

1:37:05

well there you have ladies and gentlemen you're welcome to call

1:37:07

back any time and

1:37:09

and i called you one nine you call me about ten

1:37:11

i apologize for calling your name i just it's

1:37:14

hard to deal with fog see a you notice to compartmentalize

1:37:17

thinking a mindset there he could not

1:37:21

ferguson on t point she had to just

1:37:23

nine call have an emotional spasm

1:37:26

just production they both

1:37:28

called each other a bunch of know him that

1:37:30

definitely was not one sided and for the most

1:37:33

part it was alex who refused to stay focused on

1:37:35

any one topic he was the one doing

1:37:37

the shotgun blast of a million topics

1:37:39

and talking points and you know what i think that

1:37:41

out is also the one who's acting emotionally

1:37:44

his , outbursts might not have been as theatrical

1:37:46

as they are the present day but when this color

1:37:49

or else it brought out something

1:37:51

from alex and it was an analytical

1:37:54

there was there it was not a composed

1:37:56

person does methodically going over the side

1:37:58

so the guy lashing out but

1:38:00

doing so using shady rhetorical tricks

1:38:02

to make himself seem composed wow

1:38:04

doing it right now what happened was the guy

1:38:07

said something and he was

1:38:09

like i'm not ready for this or years

1:38:11

be he was afraid right and

1:38:13

then that fear led him to feeling

1:38:15

angry ah right and that anger

1:38:18

leads to hate ah right and

1:38:20

that hate

1:38:23

that the dark side baby from the dark side is a

1:38:25

mind clouds worried so

1:38:27

, alex

1:38:31

is kind of focused on this

1:38:33

call for call bit

1:38:37

is designed to put you on your thinking process

1:38:40

blef , paradigm his family and i just

1:38:42

got home and murmur one last hour snowden

1:38:45

because i support ron paul the most conservative

1:38:47

member of congress against with only wars alex

1:38:49

is building up this way for his audience

1:38:51

to remember and have experienced

1:38:54

the call that doesn't match up with what

1:38:56

the call actually was deaf and that's kind

1:38:59

of a tell tale sign that hours recognizes

1:39:01

that he kind of west west

1:39:04

of with santa dropped the ball on that on having

1:39:06

generally we're at there

1:39:09

was this book that really had

1:39:11

really lot about that cause what would happen

1:39:13

is he knows something would happen

1:39:15

in the government didn't wants you to remember it the

1:39:17

way that it happened they wanted you to remember

1:39:19

it the way that it sure to have happen i'm

1:39:21