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must have notion of of a must see us as

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actually maybe not a bright smile remove the worst

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be out there and the mustard mad the and i feel

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a year of feel like every to be eaten with a

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condiment are there any condiments

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the sauce combined with like i you know all

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those variety i don't know total that over

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all of them okay with if you're year that's my

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you very much for the wedding present. I

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stop it okay but , appreciate

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we have a holiday a are

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people who are very excited as a lot to learn

3:44

that today learn have to

3:47

deposition oh yeah over another

3:49

formulaic objects and that episode for

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your answer

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that's it so there's a lot up as want to get

3:55

into so into think we should do not

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kill any more time never and let's get down let

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shark back said you so much you are now

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the man were going to come

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start to show over but i'm really

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really nice that you

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your new world order and slut or

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she wrote and on and all yours yet

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maybe always been gone a month maybe five years

5:34

the i walk outta here tomorrow and you

5:36

never see me again that's

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really what i want to do

5:40

the never gonna come back here yeah i apologize

5:43

to the crew in the listeners yesterday that i

5:46

was legitimately having right now sonia

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6:38

that other to his comment is beautiful

6:41

so our jordan today we have to

6:43

depositions to go over to be talking about one

6:45

with kit daniels indeed who is a

6:47

indeed and writer for

6:49

ign for wars website for i nodded on air

6:51

personality oh right definitely have seen him

6:54

in some videos in the past

6:56

but not regular loose definition of writer react

7:00

to , isn't issue there is

7:02

going to climb are all the assets you

7:04

this observed that is a deposition

7:06

that is related to the marcel fontaine

7:09

case which is a case where

7:11

i get daniels i wrote

7:13

an article and posted on him for wars where

7:15

he miss identify department shooter based

7:18

on a picture that he found on four chan

7:20

frank ah entered this is

7:22

delved into it as opposition

7:25

yes i'm in the second deposition his

7:27

own troy years deposition in the sandy hook

7:29

case ah in texas am

7:31

so these are so to the we're going to get into and interestingly

7:34

these are depositions that mark banks

7:37

then didn't take no he

7:39

wasn't him he was not be lawyer who was

7:41

giving these and actually a who was well

7:43

it's bill ogden that his cove

7:46

a attorney a for the plaintiffs

7:48

and no i in

7:50

our in our pastor episodes in over

7:52

the last few at least what you know going to have

7:54

some deposition stuff to talk about sort

7:56

of been or pattern to talk

7:58

to the attorneys during

8:00

the core is holding the deposition a

8:03

inexplicably they want to talk to us it's very

8:05

bizarre it that luck is gotta

8:07

run out of the me like there's no way that

8:09

bill would want to come and have a conversation

8:12

with us of let's be honest we're kind of on interesting

8:14

yeah we'll we'll do you didn't

8:18

hey folks hello

8:21

we're i hear joined july to start

8:23

off this this episode forget into

8:25

these these these depositions

8:27

here oh yeah however front of us another formulaic

8:29

objects and everybody loves deposition

8:31

they can't get enough of while a weird

8:34

world we live in where our fans

8:36

are like holy shit a deposition gets

8:38

watch out it's like

8:41

a big deal that i don't know

8:43

why but a way that benefits

8:46

that the yes every fantastic we

8:48

are joined today joined today about this

8:50

a little bit where we've had the the other council

8:53

for the point though of course on mark bankston

8:55

right couple of times right i thought about

8:58

these your depositions but this time

9:00

the other council in the case bill ogden

9:02

joining us thank you so much fill how are

9:04

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9:06

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to yeah well i don't know

10:00

the fisher up but my

10:02

, by all the rest of

10:04

the bill we're the bill to talk

10:06

to a little better before we get to this absurd

10:08

because we're listening to to depositions that you

10:11

actually i

10:12

we're we're in charge of and were handling

10:15

and then

10:16

live a presenting with the how will

10:18

the were at work bit irritating

10:20

, the other candidates it turned out

10:23

pretty much an interrogation but he has a

10:25

lawyer will take a deposition the witness would give

10:27

them sister took these two doubles i

10:29

did you ever you took office

10:32

office guess sprinkler system

10:34

and my better my better

10:37

was on or took those apples

10:39

from behind my friend from i

10:42

, thinking about this i

10:44

went to austin i met you in march

10:46

in came along to our the alex

10:49

and dari depositions the both of those

10:51

mark was taken

10:52

and that i saw his style and

10:54

you know that is kind of like a bore

10:56

of ago jocular kind of

10:58

the aisle there's a little bit of a friendship

11:00

thing and some playing around the

11:03

and i i don't watch these depositions

11:06

i realized like i would be so much more scared

11:09

being cross a table for me oh i like

11:12

, whole mess you up to but oh

11:14

no absolutely but he will make you like

11:16

it while he does he know it's it's

11:19

a big questions that you asked to my

11:21

kids and own the i just see

11:23

like oh no don't have to

11:26

hear there's no definitely hear

11:28

there's in an hour mrs in these

11:30

cases are poor witnesses specially ones

11:32

that have been deposed by mark and been are now

11:34

be deposed by be or if we have

11:37

a witness go day one and hundred on think

11:39

i'm doing the game a day to death as i'll

11:41

tell the witness like i'm just let you know now

11:44

mr based in wasn't very pleasant

11:46

yesterday and he's the nice one of us like

11:48

i'll sit right off the shelf ah

11:51

the you know why training day style

11:53

denzel was i to do it said

11:56

you don't want them to be caught off guard when you

11:58

tap united states

12:00

it's common just if you gotta do something

12:02

you might want hydrate so we

12:05

have we have these two depositions

12:07

here today we have we have

12:10

daniels deposition and and own shroyer

12:12

deposition

12:13

the and the things kind of

12:15

a weird about this is the was from two different cases

12:19

right so always case oh and

12:21

was a deposition was for the has

12:23

one case where he went on air and

12:25

said what he said about neil sign

12:27

in and that kind of thing in

12:30

kid was the

12:32

personal info wars that wrote the article

12:35

that started all this he wrote the

12:37

article about marcel farm team whose

12:39

name of it was not a minute or massachusetts

12:42

who they pinned his photo in

12:44

said this is a florida apartment

12:46

high school shooter the just

12:48

massacred a bunch of kids in florida so

12:51

that case before the case we filed first

12:53

and from the media attention that we

12:56

had no idea was coming on

12:58

from all that we got contacted by the stadium

13:00

parents in that kind of way

13:02

the chronological order how this all came about

13:05

that is that is kind of remarkable

13:07

yeah i mean i can't imagine

13:09

being kit daniels in

13:12

and like recognizing exactly what

13:15

the dumb fuck up you made that was hooked

13:17

down all of info for

13:19

, employees like he was was

13:22

critical at least answered my

13:24

question she was very critical of himself at this

13:26

point like young london

13:28

said rated like

13:30

who are my opinion i wasn't one

13:35

as a straight up in it wasn't like

13:37

planned and like was there is some would say

13:39

was would bit unprofessional behavior ah

13:42

but he said tonight is like really with what

13:44

what what's the one i guess is as

13:47

bad as the do

13:49

male one would be like broken

13:52

, yeah be the words and so

13:54

we are lighting on fire as you write

13:56

them beautifully as a geforce

13:59

actually use

14:00

white foreign on a white that rounds is

14:02

a boy and the paper i guess would be

14:04

a one for and they forgot definitely to get him

14:06

lose that's

14:08

not going as that's not going to trigger a litany

14:10

of litany of of he gets his

14:12

company so but i guess that's

14:15

better than this that so while though

14:17

to think about like this just kind of dharma knowing

14:19

affect you know like get daniels

14:21

wrote this article and that led

14:23

to the myself on taibbi

14:26

defame them they're starting this trial

14:28

that leads to the sandy you guys representing

14:30

of sandy hook folks which leads to the but

14:33

even see like the further back

14:35

because the more other fontaine stuff was based

14:37

on him reporting on like

14:39

throw shit from fortran

14:41

so whoever you are hosted that yeah actually

14:43

yeah is responsible for taking down a

14:46

guy and you can't you can't just go back

14:48

and gotta go keep going forward because then

14:50

it triggered these lawsuits in here i am talking

14:52

to you guys yeah

14:55

you're a wave so here i am congratulating

14:58

jordan i believe you just got married so yeah like

15:00

that kind of thing kit daniels

15:02

for that congratulations that

15:05

we might not be married if it wasn't the

15:07

pavement word forget daniels forget daniels this

15:09

all makes sense now

15:11

modi follows the

15:14

, that's just watching knowing knowing

15:17

it without the determinism as it is

15:20

getting the only had the only way

15:22

this could be better if it was kit daniels

15:24

first day

15:26

that would be the greatest

15:28

moment like the very first thing he wrote

15:30

on his first day was this yeah off

15:33

that be beautiful unfortunately made many years

15:35

prior

15:37

one of the things the kind of shook me a little bit

15:39

was why was watching the deposition

15:41

oh he's kicked into seems a little bit

15:43

older than i expected

15:45

the kind of yesterday's like i think he's

15:47

thirty seven it was already

15:49

longer than i am which i was kind of caught off

15:51

guard by slow way where i'm

15:53

thirty says it

15:57

but you also fans older than you

15:59

are of protocol

16:00

guard my daddy be i am

16:03

thirty four you're here i

16:06

have really fucked up my low i don't

16:10

look at both worked backwards i got really sick

16:12

really better than kid daniels at least

16:14

two i wasn't in that deposition or

16:17

or i'm actually would score here that i don't

16:21

think it's closure i'd always pictured him

16:23

as kind of like a

16:25

maybe you mid to late twenties guy cause

16:27

he he has like a sort of

16:29

a youthful

16:31

you would pay to them in the times that i've seen

16:33

him on video and empowers before but

16:36

i'm seeing him in that room there was a

16:38

you know obviously of longer face

16:41

and the the certainly

16:44

not having fun we believe that a deal

16:46

that would probably a i will say that as

16:48

you can be a certain personality

16:50

and life for in your professional

16:52

career and whatnot but when you're

16:54

when you walk in the deposition room you ask

16:56

where where do i said i'm a plea to the head

16:58

chair

17:00

can he kicks in and the winner court reporter tells you to

17:02

raise your right hand it's like oh my

17:04

god what am i doing so

17:06

big his life gets real gets real

17:09

in on just like know this or that a job as

17:11

everybody else there's

17:13

not you're you're you're you're looking right

17:15

at a giant hammer let's let's just

17:18

directly on you and you got lawyer says

17:20

spitfire and questions and some investment objection

17:23

you don't know what's going on but you know you don't

17:25

want to answer that really aren't question right and

17:28

, you have lawyers who probably

17:30

poorly prepared you certainly

17:32

number of iran wars past and lawyers

17:35

probably didn't tell people exactly like

17:38

here's what it means to be under out yeah totally

17:40

you know that hear what a corporate

17:43

representative does and that actually

17:45

leads us to another interesting point and as is very

17:47

important and that is that you

17:49

build were the person who

17:51

rob dues legendary deposition

17:54

i , either the the so

17:57

my role of sperm when

17:59

i came then i started looking you know

18:01

they hardly right on the end

18:04

when i keep will actually i work here for your have during

18:06

muslim an hour to be a job and so i started

18:09

looking around to see what can i master

18:12

that can bring value to the from and

18:14

slashing towards certain

18:17

extent that are catching what catching do so

18:20

thirty six is what we call it which is a

18:22

corporate reps and so i

18:24

just kind of master meticulously

18:26

go into topics and making the person

18:28

just look really unprepared

18:31

and and with these topics it wasn't hard

18:33

because there's just no

18:35

way there's so many false

18:37

claims and just kind of bullshit been thrown

18:39

around that you know one

18:42

for know and get a grip on all

18:44

of it so i knew nothing could

18:46

like sincerely answering lot of those questions

18:48

which is kind of reveal more questions

18:51

of the the ineptitude numb preparedness

18:53

probably oh you're answering them

18:55

is worse did not knowing it is point

18:57

this is if they knew the answer add to say

18:59

that wow that would be worse than than

19:02

not being prepared a big sanctioned doctor thousand

19:04

dollars so like zilch spang and know

19:06

chess or whatever it is moving

19:08

to a guy that i

19:10

, one thing thing

19:13

word of the damned exactly

19:16

what kind of what kind of preparation did

19:18

you are or our i was i mean

19:20

i assume that this type of deposition

19:23

as a little bit different from the ones that maybe you're

19:25

used to an irregular a non

19:27

info were setting did you do like more

19:29

preparation for this or

19:32

oh new i'm pretty prepared on

19:34

every case but for this one specifically

19:36

when when mark came into the case

19:38

he came to me because i've

19:41

been watching oceans college am

19:43

not as necessarily a fan more entertainment

19:46

it's i he and i had had conversations

19:49

you know in the past about it he's like hey you wanna

19:52

the want to do this with him like absolutely no questions

19:54

asked and

19:56

so my first john out on the set

19:59

of yeah i'm a partner during

20:01

this case like two years ago browsing associate

20:04

when i first came in and my first task here's

20:07

two hundred hours worth of video i

20:09

need you to watch it in in canada

20:12

document everything that goes on is

20:14

so like i started going through it announced

20:16

probably two or three or four days in and

20:19

mark him in office and he was like a

20:21

what are you looking at know like hey one

20:25

of the school for torn country once

20:30

he , with a few markets and

20:32

was someone's and

20:35

is that has it the way you have is this

20:37

your spitfire and so much information from

20:39

so many directions it really

20:41

did forest or mess with my head i'd a stock market

20:43

or yugoslavia to accept way that

20:45

took like two days off in i went back into

20:47

and as ago okay i'm back loved

20:49

music jordan music jordan would have been affected will do that

20:51

couple days off while back i didn't finish

20:54

did not stick i gave him i was i shot

20:57

yeah it was definitely a inexperience

20:59

in mark was like kind of concerned like

21:01

due to discuss to you but you know what

21:04

, you been brass nails

21:06

out it means like to the

21:08

stylistic approach that they use

21:10

a just the different topics

21:12

completely that aren't related that are just gets

21:15

thrown in your face inside know some

21:17

a tossing a bucket a hot dog into a into

21:19

your face there are just different

21:21

, about in different directions of you

21:23

can't to digest it is tough

21:25

and so instead just kind of keep absorb

21:28

yeah obviously if it's like the topic is something

21:30

scary the kind of overrides

21:33

your ability to keep track of like

21:35

oh apes you just jump from eight

21:37

to eight what is going on here and then

21:39

eight back to be in my mouth

21:42

what's going on there yeah it

21:44

so so i did all that

21:46

documented so from there

21:48

i had a pretty good grasp on the case in

21:51

march is enough to so

21:53

we're clear march one hundred percent

21:55

the smart one of our group why she's i

21:57

use the brains on your eyes

22:00

would i guess i'd default to the

22:02

looks but you know like a saturn on an

22:04

iphone six if i'm in california

22:06

say you're a guy him i think

22:08

oh yeah definitely the aggressive

22:10

one and i'm in

22:13

i don't like taking zoomed about

22:15

which are like kobe made does the thing and and

22:18

a defense attorney as attorney defense attorney ask

22:20

me one time he said why don't you like to consume

22:23

asked is because i've never lie to your face

22:26

and he just looked at me like we

22:28

did you did you wanna be on the follows a long

22:31

, the no no not saying

22:33

anything else or have lied huge lied

22:36

and there's id numbers so i'm

22:38

yeah i'm definitely a big the fully

22:40

of the group i guess like when somebody needs to

22:43

we you know when a bully needs to give you know humbled

22:45

i guess i'm the person that comes person and and

22:48

and takes care of that march march and do

22:50

it in he does it in a in a very articulate

22:52

wage and he's smart enough to maneuver

22:54

you into it you don't even know you're hurting

22:56

your case by the time you say your answer where

22:59

i'm just asking it in a way that is it possible

23:01

for you to answer all

23:03

your the hot destroyer answer right

23:07

way so yeah if the double

23:09

met on on not the not touch destroy

23:11

that exactly

23:13

everything i think probably to like that

23:16

they're being in the room the are being

23:18

in person as post over zoom like there's

23:20

so many of those other aspects like

23:22

you mentioned of like you're sitting at the head of this table

23:25

he has a camera in front of you and other

23:27

people are in the room like i

23:29

imagine it's a completely different five

23:32

it is it really isn't intensity

23:34

to an end to which are thriving

23:36

because you know i have no

23:39

problem just staring someone down with

23:41

eye contact dead silent it's

23:43

often as it's know it they

23:46

know what they're like what do like do

23:48

instead of you know try to make a noise

23:51

to fill that void on my mind i'm an analyst sickness

23:53

enjoy this isn't you know i'd you're describing

23:56

like be errol morris philosophy of like

23:58

still making you know degree

24:00

the make people stare at a camera eventually

24:02

they'll say something that i shouldn't exactly

24:06

and in so like all i used my

24:08

the techniques of kind of it

24:10

so west ball telstra feel

24:13

started our from when they were like thirty

24:15

one or thirty two and they were rolled

24:18

they dice they took all they risks they

24:20

they were there are fantastic warriors and so i've

24:22

where are you know many years so many years

24:24

has your find your doing aren't

24:27

there but can use their every ten years older than

24:29

me mark was going

24:31

in and david at the from all their older

24:34

and so i came in and i had the benefit of one ragnar

24:37

can cause they were already super successful

24:39

i , have to sweat a line of credit it

24:41

whether or not i could pay employees like they did

24:44

all hardware ah in so i got

24:46

the benefit of learning under them in so i

24:48

just took certain aspects

24:51

from each of the reuters that

24:53

i could could more than my

24:55

own little little stylistic approach to it

24:57

and it's i feel like it's been pretty successful

24:59

so far you can ask or i guess he'd kitten

25:01

olympics which

25:04

of which of those other partners taught

25:06

you about snack preparation so

25:10

it does actually westfall not necessarily

25:13

have you actually probably a bit pissed like about

25:15

with associate apple that about you can be barrister

25:17

and a dutch dispute or , look

25:20

around the best ida

25:22

are you making of making people

25:24

uncomfortable when you're asking him uncomfortable

25:27

questions makes them just wanted

25:29

to end so they give you whatever

25:31

they they they know what you want and

25:34

, they're uncomfortable they're just going to give it

25:36

rather than playing this line of things

25:38

where they ask your question

25:40

again question don't understand what you're asking the that kind

25:42

of thing and so yeah jordan what

25:44

you can't see on the depot is the

25:47

depot jai a stop at bucky's which is

25:49

a very famous gas stations size a walmart

25:51

texts and they're kind of there's one right

25:53

between houston and austin that's what i'm talking

25:55

about this giant bag of gummy worms

25:58

and so like during a deborah open a month while

26:00

they're on a lesson in our schools

26:03

are goes to the library all a seat

26:05

it my i use it as

26:07

a look at it all with over the witness

26:10

and they're just staring at the and there

26:12

you know looking at is going there and on him and

26:14

his chowing down on it actually

26:16

the one thing that was bad was like

26:19

, getting a southern accent in

26:21

emphasis six hundred percent and

26:24

sell out i actually stole that

26:26

from it was a real

26:28

famous criminal defense lawyer in texas very

26:30

famous and he would take a paperclip

26:33

wilder the just the other side was

26:35

doing their opening statement and he would

26:37

slowly make straighten it all

26:39

the way out and this is that when you could smoke

26:41

indoors or six inside that's what triggers

26:44

will track iced coffees and ah

26:46

but he would take a straight eight o'clock

26:48

with an issue with slide down the

26:51

the cigarette and humid light and then he

26:53

would smoke it in this the the ass

26:55

wouldn't fall so , jury

26:57

would just stare at that attention

27:00

to the other side's opening statement since

27:03

the waiting for this long cigarette

27:05

as dropping it doesn't and he's just

27:08

gone out and hurt just soil it's on hurt

27:10

without us kind of cool to do and so

27:12

i yeah i kind of and that's that's where it started

27:14

in that are incorporated the goodness

27:17

and to see i feel like that that

27:19

cigarette trigger that that's like sleight of

27:21

hand jabbering with people's attention

27:23

whereas like

27:24

the gummy bears just aggressive like that's

27:26

just like it's a medical aid

27:28

kind of it's and really is is what you know

27:31

and i'm so comfortable that

27:33

on since

27:36

this is not uncomfortable for it is

27:38

here to the island side it

27:41

would be very threatening very threatening it's

27:43

it's funny now but if

27:45

if i was in a room with you while you're doing that god

27:47

i would just call you a prick nonstop like

27:49

it wouldn't i wouldn't be able to answer a question

27:52

i just feel i could you get this prick to stop eating these

27:54

fucking more but imagine a scenario where you

27:56

can't do that executive to answer questions

27:58

and i'm in trouble

28:00

then you just sitting there going

28:02

inside watching me snack in there's

28:04

two things one you taken how disrespectful

28:07

or to god i wish he give me

28:09

one and so either way

28:12

they're good for you

28:13

could you add forgot we were that against the law

28:15

i think it probably did i am

28:18

oh no that would be best case scenario

28:20

for me because if they asked me for a gummy

28:22

worm i go we

28:24

brought him after one know he is a

28:26

man of god said let

28:30

, it as a power out of a bitch bitch

28:33

always looking always and everybody's

28:35

most people have with the awkwardness and i'm

28:37

there to created living so that i visit

28:40

when someone gets awkward you learn a lot of hello

28:43

when you're meeting you're can get can good read on somebody

28:45

would how they react to something it's uncomfortable

28:48

and so i i try to make

28:50

people uncomfortable very quickly and a double not

28:52

in a bad way just to

28:54

put him on their toes see how they react

28:56

to that i can than kind of was my questions

28:58

into a more impactful way

29:01

right you're like what is jigsaw was

29:03

a lawyer instead exactly

29:05

yeah fight yeah it's like what is just solve didn't

29:08

, people yeah well the always

29:10

just like as it was like an escape route but right

29:13

and he lets you hang yourself to i mean

29:15

it's the same basic principle and i'll

29:17

as we idea ah the oh and emphasis

29:19

nice withdraw start with would you like to play both

29:24

oh in specific be i've

29:26

been watching own for a while because you know is like oh

29:28

watch we only lives at this march

29:30

or this protest and i'm thinking myself

29:33

there's not that smart he's just

29:36

going in finding the though those are the best

29:38

clips he's got nobody spoke to so soon

29:40

as haslam that has

29:42

we case came in i called dibs on our

29:45

from the not have enough for years ago

29:47

it mark was like hundred percent you can have

29:49

you looked why in also because were roughly

29:51

the same age and i want him

29:53

to feel what other people

29:55

feel like when she does it to them and so

29:58

like them urge to bully the bullies yeah exactly

30:01

exactly like aren't let me show you how it's

30:03

done when you when you meet your match

30:05

here and are the best part was

30:08

i'd found a video the night

30:10

before of him at the women's march

30:12

in d c and he was wearing trump garb

30:15

and and a lot of people were

30:17

they are like oh whatever how could you be out here

30:19

wearing a trump scars

30:22

, you know support into you support women is like

30:24

all i support all the women that were

30:26

certainly tropic of the epstein island which i was

30:28

like okay i can get behind my

30:30

new neutral ground arm and

30:33

ground arm like yeah but y'all the or into words

30:35

as bad if he's like name

30:38

one one computer

30:40

if trump is so bad maybe one woman's

30:42

name is an accuser and these people the

30:45

and up but yeah so you can even

30:47

they won name so you're not even informed

30:50

and so i heard that was like oh god

30:53

i like or it so during the death of i straight

30:55

up to task mumbai the new name

30:57

do you know the name mr hansen

30:59

son do you know can you name one

31:02

try you can you know in

31:04

i decided as music noticing you can watch

31:07

the clip by play the clip of him

31:09

doing it other people and at the end

31:11

it was so unnecessary from usually

31:14

you see how i got my question format

31:16

there and he just looks at me on the record

31:19

i took my out to you're not one thing i don't

31:24

understand what was happening

31:26

by he made that i just got

31:29

rails potential sunsets awareness

31:31

inside the room and a like you're being able to

31:33

to get their pose as my own

31:36

not bad at the british excuse

31:38

me so british believe i have been waiting on my

31:40

own petard video exercise i

31:43

know what they

31:45

do video like imagining that these people

31:47

that he's talking to in these video that you found

31:49

what if they hosted a show

31:51

where they complained about

31:53

trump accusers and still couldn't

31:56

name yeah and you know that split name

31:58

one that's something that's that's even offensive

32:00

and been what makes your example

32:02

even more egregious i think yeah so

32:04

here i will say this from

32:07

you know since we have got into some the specific

32:10

i walked in the oceans devo

32:12

think he was a bad

32:14

the and i could see

32:16

in his face the more we talked

32:18

about what happened and how we got to

32:21

hear how the wrong all the shit

32:23

was that he said he

32:25

was having an epiphany and of anger

32:28

that towards us or towards the players

32:30

but towards his staff and towards the company

32:32

and at the end when i said you know with mister

32:34

aslan on or miss

32:37

lose was in the room right now what would you say he

32:39

was remorseful the he was sorry

32:41

he remains the only one and he walked out

32:43

of their knowledge and i wanted to haiti more than

32:46

to do that and it's not fair

32:49

why i really do appreciate you don't

32:51

want you dead and i and say in what he did

32:53

and so he walked away from that i

32:56

get his position he stopped

32:58

with it was a do he noted

33:01

a high note know you're gonna hire know

33:03

maybe a car wash word a successor

33:07

to , to be a mediator side of that

33:09

glaze as as

33:11

sure a car was in liberal

33:13

austin would have

33:15

, goes by john or whatever is real

33:18

first name is and maybe

33:20

i don't know the sky are you a

33:22

little differently reinvented live somewhere

33:24

in nebraska server a place where

33:26

oman nice

33:29

during

33:30

i would let him in a city gotta be very quiet

33:32

by himself small town a

33:35

peculiar on what i mean he's

33:37

from my home state of missouri and

33:39

missouri like you're not as i say

33:41

it again butchering at this autumn some people

33:43

do i it's misery for like is

33:46

what i'm saying people from there

33:48

like that some that's funny brought that's up as i'm

33:50

always like taken on which one we call it

33:52

germany when people from germany

33:54

call in deutschland anybody and

33:57

everybody should have an oath to they're running

34:01

you don't know where you live via

34:04

a that's that's actually kind of actually bone of contention

34:06

of people in missouri there's missouri there's people

34:08

and on the missouri purely

34:11

i mean you know i mean of a work it is

34:13

ironic but yes that was the state

34:15

divided over the so forth so

34:17

, suzanne and might have heard of

34:19

the yeah ah

34:22

but yet either way like owens in a he he

34:24

he he walked out there he was that he's the only

34:26

one only witness it's walked out besides maybe

34:30

that we've actually sorry can i don't know they're sorry

34:32

because of how the demo one arm

34:35

or they were just that was the first time anybody actually

34:37

given him all the facts mom to there

34:39

was a lot of stuff most of them had no idea

34:41

going wait what will wait ought

34:44

to be more inclined to agree with that about you

34:46

watching your deposition i do think there's a

34:48

lot he didn't know

34:50

many things that will get into over the course of

34:52

the episodes shockingly doesn't

34:54

know about

34:56

one big nose a bit more the the other problem

34:58

to that i have is like he

35:00

may not have another choice

35:02

he recognized like if own recognizes

35:05

how bad this stuff is that he's

35:07

involved in and continues to

35:09

do it gets worse like if you watch

35:11

his show now he's doing the same south

35:13

ib not more at ease is very safe

35:15

he just making sure nobody's names and nobody's

35:18

i'm not identifying groups be safe with

35:20

what he does and he is a true

35:22

believer to an extent on that but

35:24

when he talked about sandy

35:27

so much it just

35:29

happened to be the one time within

35:31

the statue of limitations that brought

35:34

him in and he'd only been a copy couple

35:36

months when he did it i think somebody was applying

35:38

a hit a new kid say this

35:42

since then he was on a bunch of other

35:44

nonsense but on but

35:46

yeah he at the time i i don't

35:48

fault in a survey for that in

35:51

watching a show i did not think he was can be remorse

35:54

my body just gets caught doing business

35:56

for what i it

35:58

reveals that could be more bread like

36:01

we what he did the any

36:03

on airs and in his interviews

36:05

and on you know all this video three posts

36:08

he is very brash ah but when

36:10

he gets into a series moment he's

36:12

yeah he's just a welcome

36:14

be what you're describing about him

36:16

and like era you wanted to hate him more

36:18

the end of the the deposition was definitely

36:21

gonna know how i felt about paul joseph watson

36:24

deposition

36:26

while you're watching it all ages his life

36:28

he saw it he saw the writing on the

36:30

wall know darn well as would have stopped

36:32

doing is what the fuck are we doing this is

36:35

bad dismiss this is horrible

36:37

for all of us it's gonna give us this reputation

36:39

the are unfair and you can see from that

36:41

email he splits

36:44

in he starts doing his own thing because he

36:46

doesn't you know he's not going down that shit

36:49

though i mean he has his his feet and

36:51

both i've sort of boats as it were

36:53

you know like he has his own thing and as

36:55

much as he's doing his own you tube channel

36:58

you've got to separate but he's also still hosting

37:00

and for wars times and it

37:02

was still there are closely connected he still

37:04

like the main editor of the site

37:07

and what have you he he will i

37:09

will say this key

37:11

he does have some sort of moral compass

37:13

and he really knows what right and wrong

37:15

which not every that's weird to say about

37:18

adults on

37:20

the little guy who showed me this cases

37:22

showed me

37:23

you know why i mean you have to kind

37:25

of be a psychopath to work at him for war

37:27

so it doesn't make sense that

37:29

way right and wrong that would be a rare

37:32

a ability

37:35

it's funny because you know as much as they're

37:37

like oh we're not sheep we don't just follow

37:39

what you know doctor party says

37:42

that all the employees are sheep allow i

37:44

mean if i just heard i was told me to as

37:47

soon as i guess that he told me told put that it'll

37:49

be like kit like kit god we're

37:51

not worth of course we're pit for swimming

37:54

in such shit right

37:56

now at work i am suit as he's

37:58

a some of his it's or worse redneck

38:00

for in his career wise because he

38:03

was like i'm like why did you put

38:05

this here is like accounts jones

38:07

just on the potential to

38:10

, whatever report and yeah i'm

38:13

like oh i'll say it either then

38:15

i initial i mostly

38:17

in what you know how old is your boss like

38:19

what he says you can have got a dog is

38:22

like amy i'm i have no

38:24

kids on safer if

38:26

, recall there's a couple times you're like alex

38:28

is not going to like that answer a subsidy

38:30

i i

38:33

about me think that the system the gotta

38:36

live by gotta i've got the right

38:38

under our

38:41

feet of yeah so i'll just say like

38:44

oh that is not

38:46

know like that answer he decent that way

38:48

different minutes interview defeated

38:50

their face like know there's

38:52

something so awful about like being

38:55

face like room there's questioned by somebody

38:57

who has like they have the freedom

38:59

or whatever to just like

39:02

the trap has been said you have stepped in it

39:04

and then you're just

39:05

that was a trap yeah

39:08

yeah i know like

39:10

i knew the trap was right on setting it up

39:12

they kept no idea then they say

39:14

it in sometimes like kid he doesn't

39:17

even know he stepped like the treble spare

39:19

he steps unit he's just dangling and i'm like

39:21

yeah this is a trap nice like oh

39:23

shit what out for her i'm amazed

39:26

at whenever we've watched all these depositions

39:28

i'm just shocked that these people are

39:30

constantly going like oh shit trick again

39:33

like an idiot over and over and

39:35

over again where afterwards they go ah

39:38

they've been a big as good as

39:41

a great to says stepping on the same

39:43

lake over and over and over again

39:45

like worth of yeah so bones

39:48

exactly exactly they are it

39:51

is definitely one regardless

39:54

of the lawyers have to

39:56

do some of these individuals correct whatsoever

39:58

job i don't i don't prepping

40:00

for problem i think of something else but

40:03

yeah johnny johnny cochrane couldn't tell

40:05

him independence and was able right

40:08

he's a it's latter yeah it's

40:10

definitely a a tall order

40:12

to try and say oh yeah i'll practice guys in

40:14

a full day a full day of prep isn't

40:16

a lot of damage , my god god

40:19

barnes and their konami bar

40:21

bobby bottle service where

40:23

, get much better yeah

40:27

he's so i was the one that kind

40:29

of broken yeah

40:33

good know the first rob

40:36

do that though where he just goes

40:38

off and on these like you know what

40:41

out mr banks is laughing and spend

40:43

it all the stuff and you just need to just cut

40:45

all the unprofessionalism i you know what

40:47

i'm asking for it's not unreasonable you just blew

40:49

his lead my new year seasons when his yard

40:53

and so once he did he did at it as calmly

40:55

as i could medicine i'm not immune to

40:57

comment on the reasonableness what you

40:59

just said it i just left it there you

41:01

could see objects and

41:04

, knew that's when the when when he's

41:06

probably going to be actually actually

41:08

to help maximize hey what do you do an interview

41:10

with stefan molyneux refer some emerge

41:13

could do right right arm

41:17

bf these bedevils have generally been spun

41:19

it in it it

41:21

kind of hey

41:24

mark and i it

41:27

it it brought back to our roots and showed us

41:29

like this is why we do this because

41:32

this is this was this case was taken on

41:34

we call it a hobby case it's not a hobby it's

41:37

with we brought down because the money that we

41:39

don't care we make were were successful

41:41

in all sorts of you know about and

41:44

civil rights cases and some big industrial

41:46

accidents and with the auto defects

41:48

we've we've made money so

41:50

each lawyer brings on a case at

41:52

any given time that they want

41:55

to do for the right reason the that's why we brought this one

41:57

on it and that's why i give all the credit western

41:59

style they have never

42:01

told us know never said

42:03

you know a watch your spending or anything or

42:05

decide hey go about it you

42:08

guys the help let us not want to come in and so

42:10

this is a bit rate with that on

42:12

someone that's when we brought this

42:15

and starting to establishing it was fun

42:17

again it wasn't working with i will look like

42:19

i'm not wrapping i'm like thoroughly

42:21

try like invested in and

42:24

being as prepared as i can because i didn't

42:26

we just wanted to destroy this is testimony

42:29

i have to imagine that come after you start

42:31

doing these depositions the start

42:34

of evil level of sort of

42:36

good call on preparedness or disrespect

42:38

that's being shown by these defendants

42:41

and like that's gotta be kind of be

42:43

invigorating in some ways or at least free

42:47

it is mainly because so

42:49

it happens all in , case

42:51

not like this though right about one hundred

42:54

and it also also a fast

42:58

we've never everybody always

43:00

at you know thirty six it's not uncommon

43:02

to do a motion for sanctions it's

43:04

not uncommon to see the

43:06

default is this is so egregious but

43:08

you know deep down inside the you know layers

43:11

you ever get til

43:13

now even these cases of these

43:15

cases have just they literally have kind

43:18

of the current screwed

43:20

me moving forward because no matter i'm not

43:22

gonna be so hard on defense counsel anymore

43:24

says i'm just in my head on going to say

43:28

the been worse because you feel is

43:30

way worse your know barnes

43:32

so where your new i'd

43:34

argue that you know you were wrong

43:37

you're not that bad oh because i

43:40

when i'm store started i

43:43

had our the younger side a chip on my shoulder and i

43:45

was just like let's go under about to start a

43:47

bunch of forest fires know maybe even

43:49

if it's unnecessary i'm here to start wars

43:51

with the other side you were twenty and you know

43:53

inferior race ,

43:56

as as his own joined so he has some

43:59

of us grow some the them

44:01

and

44:03

then i got older and i started being

44:05

a little bit you know hey you don't have to be

44:07

this aggressive and and all that and then

44:10

i got to the station like oh here we go to

44:12

a fire fighter god will just felt

44:14

like yeah you're not young hungry

44:17

i was i beg whenever i was

44:19

a stand up you know if you had

44:21

a a run of really bad shows and

44:23

you just weren't do and well you just couldn't

44:25

you just gotta suck and there were

44:27

a couple of rooms that are that were notoriously

44:30

easy to get really big laughs rubs

44:33

and that's where you'd go to like

44:35

reinvigorate yourself you know that like either

44:37

at yeah i am funny that candidates

44:39

if i could make it a reality

44:41

feel like we were year at you know like

44:44

all these real cases are fucking

44:46

hard you know i gotta fight the and

44:48

this i discuss it come in as fuck and beat

44:51

up on ib what it amounts to

44:53

children has the this is suing

44:55

alex jones or or big plate

44:57

of the dirty browsers of i going to visit

44:59

role as exactly but the neighborhood

45:02

that it's a great deal of argue that a if

45:04

i didn't airbag airbag defect

45:06

case right

45:07

the i get fifteen gigabytes

45:10

documents and old my office there's

45:12

nothing exciting about it i did

45:14

fifteen games from and for wars i'm like where

45:17

, this is where do we start i really

45:19

hope there's no child foreigner dislikes

45:22

that night because that happens

45:24

that they re was child pornography

45:26

and some of their discovery not nor glad

45:28

i wasn't the connecticut case but it was just you

45:30

know the stuff that the the documents

45:32

they do have are just we

45:35

only get about fifteen

45:37

percent of the craziness that given

45:41

to them or that they send to each other like

45:44

a lot of stuff doesn't come out and so will

45:46

we get to see some and were like jesus

45:48

yeah this is anything is it is

45:51

fascinating to see how the

45:53

inner workings of something like this

45:55

one of the things are really suck out to me from the

45:58

the to depositions when everlasting was the

46:00

the comprehensive background check on

46:03

leonard pozner that was just weird leaf

46:05

in their files like that's what we're nowhere

46:07

to run it just feels fell out

46:09

of your hair that way then again i like know his

46:12

fellow your know that were yeah that that

46:14

mario the

46:17

that it is them posting you

46:19

know where honor networks p

46:21

o box guess the stuff it pisses us off

46:23

and that's why we like okay

46:26

i'm not in any way to we did even pretend

46:28

to be nice and beginning in some of this ah

46:31

so that daddy does that that was

46:33

the initial motivation and then once we started

46:36

getting into it he was just a different

46:38

like i'm going

46:40

to enjoy what i'm about to do to you as a person

46:42

and i'm actually a nice guy but if

46:44

now when i'm punching the time part of my time to

46:46

be an asshole into ,

46:49

and authorities somewhere know

46:51

i've made is it is like oh

46:53

no a break room it

46:55

is mark an eye on

46:58

the are fully invested are fully case we

47:00

will sometimes lose sight of

47:02

you know because we're so focused on doing

47:04

what we're doing and work we are enjoying arm

47:07

, then we'd have to be with with sit down

47:09

together for a meeting and talk about what we're doing next

47:12

and with when we start talking about try we realize

47:15

this , going to be a

47:17

very emotional the trial

47:19

and it's going to be a berry ah

47:22

you know there's nothing really humor in the trial

47:25

unite on it so

47:27

we have lab not invited right

47:30

yeah because you there will be moments

47:32

where you're with me

47:35

, something something laughs

47:38

yeah it it yeah and the

47:41

info you know the decline

47:43

sit in a plastic they are some of

47:45

the bravest people with i've ever met and

47:48

on and marc marquez extremely close

47:50

with but he's closer with all them i'm

47:52

you know i started out of kind of the workhorse

47:54

science behind the scenes doing all the stuff water

47:57

garbage videos the so

48:00

many it so many more than your speed like

48:02

when i see two hundred hours of video

48:05

it's two hundred hours of what

48:07

should be a thousand hours right it's

48:09

because everything so scattered out and was no

48:12

there's no real plan a reads like

48:14

a third of it has commercials like

48:17

enter the commercials are so ah

48:20

williams williamson as a writer

48:22

to new york times i'm susie father's case she was

48:24

like contact us to

48:26

nominate cash lie down to just follow you around

48:29

for a couple days were like sure

48:31

yeah new york times you can do that we

48:34

didn't say where we didn't know if we have zero media

48:36

tree and so stuff one was

48:38

like are at lunchtime let's go to lt about

48:41

that's , we're actually to

48:43

houston and oh in a

48:45

and have you actually got else you books

48:47

i am i doomed organisers wrong

48:49

margarita as and so we got hammered it was

48:51

hammered reporter and we said all the stuff

48:54

you're not supposed to say supposed the media is

48:56

so is realised that about an hour

48:58

and an hour i miss williams this

49:01

is gonna turn into a hit piece i just want

49:03

you to know you're over to where

49:05

you live in embellish cause if it's gonna

49:07

be bad i would like water wall street back

49:10

to , you to good wishes are no one

49:12

has ever said that he'd rather i would

49:14

you know because i realize we said a lot of stuff stuff

49:18

the no one said off the record at all does

49:20

someone who could be like everyone's i'm

49:22

at a poop in each you like that know you guys

49:24

are fine young a great but

49:26

see on bartenders should really

49:29

do that for you like to say this

49:31

is off the record yeah they ever harmed

49:33

every bar tenders should have like a

49:35

journalist credential that they have to check

49:38

a house yeah they have to do the whole thing i like it

49:40

i'm going to open a bar called have to read

49:44

to , out but c c just published

49:46

a book couple weeks ago in the society

49:49

of books and in that she

49:51

interviewed me kind of right when i was

49:53

really beginning to the videos and

49:55

as you say what he did not a bit mad just watched one

49:57

and i was like honestly i'm really and i'm

50:00

really into combat wipes armed

50:03

services shields

50:05

emissions like early in life

50:08

i mean if you break it down it's just baby

50:10

wipes for bunch of middle aged the caucasian

50:12

men better camping out in the woods with some friends

50:14

calling themselves the militia a she put

50:17

it in the book and

50:19

, you've yourself with your friends

50:21

hunting knife in his wife's

50:23

are either man y para keep

50:26

yourself from down there when you're with all your militia

50:30

what were those like she's letting my intro

50:33

of the book and i was just like this is one

50:35

i'm wearing that as a batch monitor rest my life

50:37

and to i wish wish have

50:39

been more professional in an interview by

50:42

the bathroom yeah

50:43

with that are watching the all those

50:45

videos and have having that

50:48

you said you watched alex from when you are

50:50

like in college

50:51

a lot of international nine eleven and

50:53

jfk and you know our

50:56

our human hybrid amphibians

50:59

your real it was you know

51:01

everyone in my

51:03

generation facebook

51:05

came to my college my freshman year

51:07

and now use of you to have a dot edu

51:11

email , to have a like was over

51:13

facebook does he have to face

51:15

of a smoke i will never forget real

51:17

promise we would never forgets about ah

51:20

so the this technological

51:23

arab news and information and all

51:25

that was my young as i was

51:27

coming of age and so the

51:29

younger i would see different articles or league

51:32

so or a or not least the articles

51:34

or or videos and satisfy be partially

51:36

for my friends and was we talk about him so i

51:38

knew exactly who he was long time ago and

51:41

our body was entertainment and then oh

51:43

sure the closer we got to do that and sixteen

51:46

election is when he decide

51:48

young sandy hook he took an

51:50

extreme story probably the

51:52

most egregious extreme story in

51:54

my lifetime and then he made

51:56

it even more extreme right the

52:00

the course reacted to doesn't sixteen he

52:02

realized if he goes political he can grow

52:04

and he did the heat what

52:06

when he went right the

52:08

exploded and on i

52:10

mean for instance like keep it in for worse and

52:12

white house press credentials i want what kind

52:15

of which is it i mean

52:18

what i said was is not true arrive

52:21

in , legal or

52:24

not legal snail five you are trapped

52:28

around the i got my gummy

52:30

worm is

52:33

the all have one of those now

52:36

yeah i played him he was political

52:38

before it was just that he loved ron paul

52:40

who was never gonna win regarding

52:43

the doctor yeah is the most

52:45

notorious obituary and on the point

52:48

the i'm the only opie do i and

52:50

i think who tried to take over an island nation

52:54

you know everybody has their version of events

52:58

via pounds but no reason

53:00

he was use libertarian and he i mean he he

53:03

was not a fan of george bush now on

53:06

senior or junior much of a liberal

53:08

down now right which

53:10

is funny because george bush

53:12

became governor by saying yes that person

53:14

of interest conservative i'm more

53:18

alex jones is like yeah it's crazy lead

53:20

the sky socialist guy

53:23

the army or exploded into up sixteen

53:26

and had time to get someone from their yeah

53:29

that experience like really

53:31

feel different though like watching

53:33

it and paying attention vs watching

53:35

it for entertainment

53:37

like the condo hundred percent because

53:39

you is i'm not watching

53:41

i'm not really watching the content as much

53:43

as i'm breaking down the

53:46

stylus but the you know the style

53:48

of how he's doing it how he's going into these

53:50

and and planning on and how he transitions

53:52

you notice all of that now and

53:54

you realize it's it's

53:58

american right in

54:00

it was a way that

54:02

no one had really mastered until him

54:05

to rapid fire

54:07

things that someone would you can ask

54:09

questions because there's so much come in

54:11

at you and are so many questions to ask

54:13

so you just don't have time for you forget

54:16

about something that he said five minutes ago because

54:18

you're not talking about something else

54:20

there's a there's a craft to it

54:22

that i'm not even positive he's that entirely

54:25

conscious of what he's doing it

54:27

is very something to nice

54:29

but it's really just want have a debate tactic

54:31

like overwhelming the person that you're talking

54:33

to with my the much stuff and

54:36

and hoping they get flustered right yeah

54:38

i mean one of our one of our clients was of spain

54:41

yeah like that up until late

54:44

sandy hook is a of an avid

54:46

listener of is and

54:50

then this happened to me he ah well as you say

54:52

not so much a fan and it's gotta it's gotta

54:54

make you re evaluate whether or

54:56

not it's good idea to believe alex

54:58

about the oklahoma city and stuff

55:00

like that you would hope you're on the run

55:02

out of as speaking speaking

55:04

of that i thoroughly enjoy

55:07

the skin killed and oh in my

55:09

tell me one story

55:11

yeah gotten right yeah

55:14

in it's own was like or own was a goal

55:16

for something else

55:18

okay anything in the last twenty years

55:20

before them to say didn't cover that

55:23

rising , back in those are going

55:25

oh it was on the ground of the gulf of

55:27

sidra negative players

55:30

i will say those they did they they called

55:32

epstein early normally people

55:35

the well they

55:37

didn't they didn't name him visualize that the

55:39

globalists are such strategy would

55:43

have happened in the his knees his be reversed

55:45

ripping us it all yeah the

55:47

thing too cynical just the smaller don't

55:50

worry about losing weight of a lot of sense

55:52

league you get you get is a solicitor

55:54

if you're just a racist all the time

55:57

vid yes you're gonna call just

55:59

the smallest that that

56:01

would it not racism as soon

56:05

as i write this of advisors

56:07

the way it seem like they say it is

56:10

even in as don't pitch black room

56:12

and you're throwing darts at the was used

56:14

to target up for what's right and

56:17

that's what's this literally that's they do is they just

56:19

everything your conspiracy or everything

56:22

lot when it seems until one time and

56:25

you know where i'll go i'll give you that however

56:27

they got their those were things

56:29

with a in totally or

56:32

end up with is that something was wrong and website

56:34

myth the legend get sued for be

56:37

surprised that the bar

56:39

but they couldn't as the bar with other not

56:41

consistent small consistent was i was figure

56:43

yeah we would have mouth remember that

56:46

we're when it becomes public figure becomes a lot

56:48

more delicious much more difficult because

56:50

you have a platform speak yeah

56:52

that speak with a kid daniels

56:55

when it's just like name something you didn't

56:57

get ross one and managers like

56:59

away

57:00

it keeps going to be painful

57:03

painful death rob do that the first time

57:05

added rob do you like yeah

57:07

just name one and he's

57:09

sitting around like

57:11

this is getting uncomfortable with legislate

57:13

allowed to have to disagree with you know

57:16

, about our our

57:19

don't want to say under oath case

57:25

because under

57:28

oath know their whole

57:31

moto and last year the company

57:33

is my you know if we do we hang

57:35

out we'll tell you we got

57:38

stories and then they get under oath and they're like police

57:40

on against the employees

57:42

for the love of god please have agreed to that question

57:44

or alex just the other day was saying that

57:46

though once it gets to the trial for

57:48

the sandy your case he's going to

57:51

reveal and expose how

57:53

other people are making money on sandy

57:55

hook

57:56

obviously a very good

57:58

i am really defend them

58:01

so i'm excited for a number of things

58:03

first of all when we when it's when he

58:05

got filed and all the media

58:08

started are you in immediately

58:10

on a show as i go hillary clinton and george

58:12

soros funded and

58:14

the david that was said we were all at

58:16

once in once in at my phone and i saw

58:19

somebody to be a screenshot and

58:21

i was like regular this and i were to the table

58:25

guys which one you fuckers as all the money and isn't

58:27

sharing where's ,

58:29

soros characters' i haven't done this fisher

58:31

i wanted to do didn't either everyone's phones

58:33

on the table to evidence that hillary

58:35

is is was all the now it's

58:38

it's also funny cause i paddle fair i came

58:40

i a hearing with

58:42

us and he stood up record

58:44

it when when it comes something got played

58:46

by the defense and that that soros

58:49

accusation a pronoun casket up as

58:51

a judge or had stand up and stand offended i

58:53

just want to risk for the record of you know record finding

58:55

all just

58:58

want everyone to know my

59:00

, had a contract is

59:02

not as of unless that so i

59:05

don't want anyone getting credit for this except me

59:07

i am so if there's any any

59:09

power behind us it's

59:12

well i'm glad i'm glad we're we're able to clear up the

59:14

non soros can actually see i'm

59:16

fine unless unless marxists during a

59:18

bunch of by checks that he had told anybody

59:20

about it we have not received sent the

59:22

it we did start receiving money

59:25

and cards of support at the beginning

59:27

in every was all the still get one and people

59:29

just started selling passion and start

59:32

to us and said hey this is that

59:34

what we want to help with the legal costs and

59:37

dog or the parking

59:39

lot also

59:41

donated like he was i wish we diatoms

59:44

the honor networking site owners poetry

59:47

so i read any time somebody emails

59:49

us or says in were actually very responsive

59:52

on to the to people that reach out

59:54

to us he via email or call him hey

59:57

if you like about how really appreciated we don't

1:00:00

the man

1:00:01

like just it would you want to donate donate to the on

1:00:03

a network is the third the network

1:00:05

and targets on it internet

1:00:07

misinformation probably makes

1:00:09

you look more like you're taking soros

1:00:11

money yeah money yeah hand

1:00:14

i will do anything in my power

1:00:16

to look more suspicious hours

1:00:18

with eyes problem arises when you

1:00:20

freak him out when you're optics are giving

1:00:23

money away clearly that means

1:00:25

that soros is giving you that money to give away

1:00:27

obviously or otherwise you would be able to give

1:00:29

that money away makes me want to buy

1:00:32

one of those little earpieces were tr

1:00:34

the little stretchy cord that like the secret

1:00:36

service where i want to wear one of those trials look

1:00:38

at him and then

1:00:39

they're talking into my calf if somebody

1:00:41

sees me line to the daily news

1:00:43

that who the coffee's it be great if

1:00:46

a deposition you had an earpiece but it was connected

1:00:48

to a gummy worm rice ,

1:00:50

right exactly decided by hand out

1:00:53

out a lit a lit yeah

1:00:56

with as with will pay less of paper delivered of

1:00:58

else in i mean everybody's is looking

1:01:00

emulate how much legal now smoke

1:01:03

indoors as his lawyer crazy us

1:01:06

so we should probably wrap this up before too long

1:01:08

as he grows about ourselves about

1:01:10

week but our i want to know if there's anything

1:01:13

else that you wanted to cover about the

1:01:15

you wanted anything but

1:01:17

like would be a good introductory note

1:01:20

because we're going to get into it after yeah after we talk

1:01:22

here so

1:01:24

sure i'm sure i would say with

1:01:26

the oh indigo a i

1:01:28

i walked out about thinking that

1:01:30

was bad way better than i thought it was going to

1:01:32

be and i had very high expectations

1:01:35

for myself the

1:01:37

new the position he was

1:01:39

an and he was one of the

1:01:41

few that didn't even try to fight at

1:01:43

one point kind of through all the papers me original

1:01:46

pieces just make this

1:01:48

and ah

1:01:50

who only makes more money

1:01:52

than i thought yeah they're

1:01:55

pay roll out of control based control based deposition

1:01:57

said i've heard yeah so

1:02:00

and then and then when you hit the kid

1:02:03

early on i realized you know i'm

1:02:06

not dealing with the top brass you

1:02:08

ah he's a he

1:02:12

but he's a he's the type

1:02:14

of person that i

1:02:16

didn't know better then to believe

1:02:18

all of a lot of the stuff and

1:02:21

so on i use that against

1:02:23

in i would he would say a sentence

1:02:26

energy on you just missed this work what

1:02:28

does that mean and then he'd give me the dead

1:02:31

the deck for his definition of and i'm like okay

1:02:34

let's now apply that to why in

1:02:36

why in with oh in that was that's probably the highlight

1:02:38

for me is when i said oh in

1:02:41

the info words mainstream media is absolutely

1:02:44

not i'm like okay what is mainstream media

1:02:46

many just be like you know they have

1:02:49

been around for the while have a reputation they

1:02:52

have corporate advertising and he gives

1:02:55

you like four points four my

1:02:57

i will what about breitbart it is like no

1:02:59

i wouldn't it be street from i will lose four points

1:03:02

and then i realized as soon as i say that i realized

1:03:04

holy shit in for worse before they

1:03:06

were the platform at all the be

1:03:08

fix them like the , of the scoreboard

1:03:11

how how wars

1:03:13

and use and absolutely not we're not

1:03:15

mainstream media and i'm like what about this

1:03:17

isn't as he like woof i'd that that's

1:03:19

not just the whole islamic okay well what's up

1:03:21

with somebody up like am

1:03:23

i right we're gonna see what we're

1:03:25

doing here is like doing were damaged little

1:03:29

brother my mom you're just

1:03:31

brother i like my the

1:03:33

highlights were in so been i

1:03:36

at one point i got him as

1:03:38

one point in the death of my last one so

1:03:41

what's disagree you don't even so what mainstream

1:03:43

media is yeah

1:03:46

be i don't know what it is the so my jesus

1:03:49

his it is case scenario

1:03:51

for me and mark sitting there in he went

1:03:53

on going at it like she and i work really well together

1:03:55

so we're handing notes and and making sure that runs

1:03:58

a page but has been time by on

1:04:00

one of us gets done with the noted hands to

1:04:02

the question we've already

1:04:04

verbatim said that question right so

1:04:06

we didn't read it or mind so big we were doing

1:04:08

this for awhile and of and

1:04:11

so mark starts writing and then

1:04:13

when that questions i wish i could shoot him stop

1:04:15

in here go and , just kind of had i'm so

1:04:19

so have you any good funny yeah

1:04:23

i don't know it marked as goes it

1:04:26

made it

1:04:29

was loud enough to where everyone in the room her

1:04:31

but it didn't get caught on the right there's

1:04:34

one other time at that if you

1:04:36

listen closely you can hear and

1:04:39

during own step own owns like yeah i was live

1:04:42

on air still in and for alex somebody

1:04:44

who i don't remember handed me these documents

1:04:46

and said we already got the clips ready to go read

1:04:48

the stories and

1:04:51

, and on my so you just a

1:04:53

puppet and he's like another up

1:04:55

in i'm like well a puppet is somebody

1:04:57

can convey the message but someone else as control

1:04:59

and might be like yeah and i'm like your live

1:05:02

on air with ya somebody

1:05:04

needs you story you don't know what's right

1:05:06

and like the dating young so they have control

1:05:08

these right and the new convey the

1:05:10

message is like exactly am like the

1:05:13

your about the use like yeah

1:05:16

yeah i am about it in terms

1:05:18

, money money like this

1:05:20

testimony is not what is right no one's ever sources

1:05:23

by now mark

1:05:25

is good i'm ron burgundy

1:05:30

it , usage if you

1:05:33

listen you can hear it in

1:05:35

i know your book is like through

1:05:38

august get those records request me the

1:05:40

other person is literally they're just

1:05:42

been popcorn watching and trying to

1:05:44

hold it in an author's funded

1:05:47

by , but yeah that's a if you listen

1:05:49

closely can hear the i'm ron

1:05:51

burgundy and he wasn't trying to be

1:05:54

disruptive or anything it is had come to him and

1:05:56

he said it very quietly a

1:05:58

my ear it it will get

1:06:00

him out well

1:06:03

as a little little buddy and he was exquisite

1:06:07

we're , look for that like the but the algorithm

1:06:09

this is definitely going to be very important to us from

1:06:11

here on out here i am assessor owing

1:06:14

own admit does know mainstream media's

1:06:16

and i'm a puppet and or

1:06:18

yeah kit daniels christ a lot

1:06:21

and i'm sure and and rightly so

1:06:23

so you know that's a to some

1:06:25

of our dog you for that some of the six to

1:06:28

some of the six or seven hours that those

1:06:31

the baby the sp borough enjoying

1:06:33

that's the breeze discredit the broad strokes

1:06:35

and now and , give it a

1:06:38

couple hours of like sound

1:06:40

of mcleod a more specific are

1:06:42

over and over and over oh bill

1:06:44

thank you so much for joining us language language

1:06:47

as a policy want i was honored

1:06:49

to as for your own show

1:06:52

and your own with you guys do that

1:06:54

means a lot and there was it was great to meet you done

1:06:56

awesome i hope ah

1:06:58

may i may make the trip for the

1:07:00

trials of the to see again next

1:07:03

absolutely take your guys a deregulation

1:07:06

song he married they

1:07:08

gradually suzie labour kids and kids

1:07:10

are causing ssssss

1:07:13

the i get a rewrite your valve on that one

1:07:16

wouldn't include you learn wow

1:07:18

what follow my god he's so nice

1:07:20

yeah that would have delayed by sybil hoover

1:07:23

october in and i haven't a little chat with us

1:07:25

so we have for we get going and now we

1:07:27

will partake in

1:07:29

along a extended his i

1:07:31

didn't have listening to him

1:07:33

question idiot yup that's

1:07:35

the plan so i decided that

1:07:37

we're gonna start with the kit daniels

1:07:39

deposition because deposition think

1:07:42

i think we can all agree that is this is the lineup

1:07:44

of to know and the headline oh yeah and that is

1:07:46

a sad state of affairs but it's just the reality

1:07:49

so this was a deposition it was taken on

1:07:51

february twenty so on february seventeenth

1:07:53

of this year and like i said it has to do

1:07:55

with the parkman shooter miss identification

1:07:57

their kit put in it for his article

1:08:00

even if identified the shooter as

1:08:02

marcel fontaine earnings now suing

1:08:04

for our in for yeah i know that owens

1:08:07

probably more famous of a figure and that the

1:08:09

sandy hook litigation is probably more primary

1:08:11

in people's minds but i've been thinking about

1:08:13

it and i think that this deposition is probably

1:08:15

more revealing than many of the others

1:08:17

that we've covered maybe not more than daria

1:08:20

but it's up there and most where we revealed

1:08:22

third are he has was that sees

1:08:24

a weirdo i mean i heard the psycho music

1:08:26

during during his deposition that yeah

1:08:30

it was a yeah it was diabetic

1:08:32

to the cleaners yeah yeah this

1:08:34

a a the revealing nature

1:08:37

comes from i'm sorry to say

1:08:39

kit seems really dumb i

1:08:41

i worry that that sounds harsh now but i assure

1:08:43

you as we go through this that assessment i think

1:08:45

is going to seem very fair he

1:08:48

doesn't seem to know or understand

1:08:50

much and because of that he ends up getting himself

1:08:52

into really bizarre place as well being questioned

1:08:54

under oath

1:08:56

sometimes with doneness intersects with

1:08:58

a level of my even pay in in those places

1:09:00

get doesn't seem like he realizes some of the

1:09:02

says he is revealing about the inner workings of

1:09:04

info wars which is while

1:09:06

yeah a lot of that's of may not be legally

1:09:08

problematic but it's definitely damning

1:09:11

in the context of our show and what we cover

1:09:13

there's another aspect of this do in

1:09:15

it's something that bill kind of touched on which

1:09:17

is that you kind of wanna end up

1:09:19

liking kit a little bit he

1:09:22

doesn't seem like such a bad guy a lot

1:09:24

of the time and is clear lack of understanding about

1:09:26

basic concept it triggers a certain

1:09:28

amount of pity in the viewer in the listeners

1:09:31

your those feelings are fairly complicated

1:09:33

and wade along with a clear awareness

1:09:35

that he's been an employee it in for wars for like

1:09:38

a decade and he doesn't deserve the benefit of

1:09:40

any doubts it really makes a bizarre

1:09:42

mix of of of an experience

1:09:45

right and i think that that's definitely

1:09:49

something that i found more interesting

1:09:51

than i expected it to be right for

1:09:53

someone who is essentially a fourth

1:09:55

has it's boo radley if you will know he's

1:09:57

not a franchisees his role player

1:10:00

you know right right i get what you mean

1:10:02

yeah you say that you feel complicated

1:10:04

things about who read of the exactly yes

1:10:06

sure s and

1:10:09

, i think there's a lotta

1:10:11

a lot to dig here so let's let's just

1:10:13

jump right in and we learn

1:10:16

right at the beginning to of there's obviously like

1:10:18

a lot of preliminary conversation and any

1:10:20

deposition talking about past employment

1:10:22

how long have you worked as you worked and we're going

1:10:24

to jump in where we learn

1:10:27

about get daniel salary okay so

1:10:29

from

1:10:33

may have two thousand and thirteen to the summer

1:10:35

of two thousand eighteen you are an associate editor the

1:10:39

rock and we have yes and then after

1:10:42

that you were promoted to managing

1:10:44

editor something like that

1:10:46

when you say something like everyman a

1:10:49

book we don't really have really culture

1:10:51

reading forces over the

1:10:53

titles would

1:10:56

an uncultured him for income worse

1:10:59

well what i mean as far as like some

1:11:01

companies he would have like oh here's

1:11:04

your new job title maybe it's and riding

1:11:07

the have enough to fairly been the case compared while

1:11:09

er physicians are other companies

1:11:12

when you became managing editor the summer two

1:11:14

thousand eight in does receive a race

1:11:18

know how , do you currently

1:11:20

make anywhere from of seventy five

1:11:23

ninety thousand here

1:11:28

the

1:11:30

based on the range assume it's not a salary

1:11:32

position it is the salary position or

1:11:34

i think seventy five my base salary

1:11:37

they can go up to ninety face on performance

1:11:39

bonuses seventy five thousand

1:11:41

is hi nice but i think compared

1:11:44

to the other salaries we've heard from people

1:11:46

who you are voyeurs you are sure to as

1:11:48

low sir to arrange that i find acceptable

1:11:51

right right move still

1:11:53

bums me out his albums me out but you

1:11:55

know it should bomb yeah to somebody who sports workers

1:11:57

is that he got a raise or didn't either the

1:12:00

to register this idol i well

1:12:02

as abilities and read more work know ray

1:12:04

i've already sussed out one major

1:12:06

issue that i almost like in

1:12:09

the back of my my know will come up almost

1:12:11

constantly with that

1:12:14

daniel giving answers that he does not

1:12:16

realize are begging questions mean

1:12:18

you know that like that's not really the culture

1:12:21

we have here it and for wars begs the question

1:12:23

for what the fuck is the culture it in for wars

1:12:25

on how will feel like we're going to go down that path away

1:12:27

a lot at risk of sounding raises

1:12:31

, you are using met express enron

1:12:33

all by god i'm yeah i'm think

1:12:35

you're right though he right though open doors

1:12:37

with the with answers a bit and i think

1:12:39

that's a dynamic better is kind of fun

1:12:42

because i think the bill as a person

1:12:44

holding a deposition is

1:12:46

the sort who like i was walking by and let's

1:12:48

go let's look you opened it man it's not

1:12:50

even meet so it leads to some pretty interesting

1:12:52

exchanges arbiter can't

1:12:55

make seventy five thousand dollars a year and possibility

1:12:57

of ninety of still scoffing

1:12:59

gets bonuses okay and

1:13:02

what are what are you lying about wu's

1:13:05

sir book sir mean who wouldn't put that

1:13:07

wow the your who buys and twenty

1:13:09

twenty

1:13:12

the unless you're correct or no two years ago yes

1:13:14

i did the remember what about

1:13:16

that will probably approximately

1:13:19

for the year twelve to thirteen thousand

1:13:23

he was like company was doing

1:13:27

the performance the company was better

1:13:29

in two thousand and twenty the and twenty twenty

1:13:31

one such as what

1:13:34

about two thousand two thousand dram goes

1:13:36

prosecutor same as twenty

1:13:39

curry and eighty earth

1:13:42

that's been that's while since i've looked at my doggie to twenty

1:13:44

team sure but if we wanted to find that

1:13:46

information that information be an animated gif

1:13:52

have you ever had a year were you did not

1:13:54

receive a bonus i don't believe so

1:13:57

are you aware that from speech systems

1:13:59

as rough as

1:14:00

well as they stayed in the sources over

1:14:02

fifty million dollars and go no

1:14:05

i wasn't aware that you think people should be getting

1:14:07

bonuses if that's than actual real

1:14:09

that i will

1:14:11

be the person to make that judgment if

1:14:13

you are running a company that was that indebted

1:14:16

would you be getting bonuses

1:14:19

we're not to there's there's a there's

1:14:21

a jocular anus to hit or zero

1:14:23

and possibly now but maybe is

1:14:26

so of all the people that i've heard deposed

1:14:28

kit is the only person i don't feel furious

1:14:30

about when i hear of talk about his salary the

1:14:33

rest of these people are outrageous hacks and

1:14:35

make way too much and don't get me wrong kid is a

1:14:37

hack to but he's making under six figures

1:14:39

right that's why that's why that's line

1:14:42

of hell for whatever reason i can

1:14:44

see an argument for someone like him being worth

1:14:46

a decent salary because honestly without

1:14:48

the people who run the site manage the articles

1:14:50

the go up there be no way the show could

1:14:52

exist alex kick your eat

1:14:54

that shit himself and if you were forced report on

1:14:56

articles about tailor made headlines or have to yell

1:14:58

about the show would suffer from that

1:15:01

the people who write the articles and who repost

1:15:03

other outlets articles with new headlines are really

1:15:05

the backbone of what makes out as your functions

1:15:08

and with paul joseph watson doing a lot

1:15:10

less of that heavy lifting in the past few years someone

1:15:12

like it probably does have a real

1:15:14

value compare , someone

1:15:16

like him brings to the table to someone like oh and or

1:15:18

harrison i think you'd rather have kid

1:15:21

around just about any day yeah

1:15:23

i'm i'm at abbey and you

1:15:25

know i don't like that he's paid as much as he is

1:15:27

but relatively speaking i

1:15:29

think he needs to unionize in order

1:15:31

to get a better contract for himself because

1:15:33

with there's no way that harrison smith should

1:15:35

be making that much more than him out on

1:15:38

i would pay oh and like fifteen an hour as

1:15:40

a respectable wait a bit and even though i'm

1:15:42

philosophically opposed to them i would offer harrison

1:15:45

harrison wouldn't give him anything past and unpaid

1:15:47

and the thing that i find really

1:15:49

interesting about this clip in so many other moments

1:15:52

in his deposition is the clear information

1:15:54

based power imbalance between the lawyer

1:15:56

and person being posed get

1:15:58

has no idea that the wars is deeply

1:16:01

in debt layer oh in is going to talk

1:16:03

about how he has no idea what archives are databases

1:16:05

the company keeps and no one told him that

1:16:07

he received a court order for discovery in this

1:16:09

case this , because employers

1:16:11

is a deeply compartmentalised workplace

1:16:14

alex keep so much information from people

1:16:16

who work there you can see folks been completely

1:16:18

caught off guard to hear these kind of revelations

1:16:20

in a deposition setting and as what

1:16:22

is that i'm not really sure how much of this

1:16:25

much of normal for a business that price

1:16:27

arrived yet but it seems pretty

1:16:29

eyes yeah alex sucks at business

1:16:31

i could see him being really deep in the soup

1:16:33

but i don't know the fuller picture of this

1:16:35

is and tell i tell more information

1:16:38

comes out by

1:16:39

taken at face value it's obviously

1:16:41

surprising to get your and it sounds bad

1:16:44

i mean ab ab de vivre just so quibble

1:16:47

with bills just like you know i

1:16:49

think the employees should be treated regardless

1:16:51

of whether or not

1:16:58

a pigmy either get an ideal world

1:17:00

that be the i regret forget that

1:17:02

maybe a business can't function

1:17:04

fifty million dollars maybe through or maybe

1:17:06

literally of the something like alec there is

1:17:08

something of the real politics to at yes

1:17:11

so i'm get his asked

1:17:13

about like this the

1:17:15

dynamics of how they get article

1:17:17

gets published news or like you do

1:17:19

you publish this yourself right you are

1:17:21

able to hit the button and publish at

1:17:25

exhibit one of the

1:17:27

, yet that if toasts

1:17:30

what it is

1:17:31

it is a rolling

1:17:33

update article i wrote in

1:17:35

february fourteen twenty team regarding

1:17:39

the breaking news on

1:17:41

the year florida shooting

1:17:44

the report issued a union the parkland

1:17:47

yes florida

1:17:49

of high school

1:17:53

who published in the story ideas

1:17:59

that anybody help know when

1:18:02

you write a story and publishing you

1:18:04

have the ability to uploaded to the website

1:18:06

you're on you're own yes

1:18:08

will have that capability or the

1:18:10

writers that writers just mentioned except the dandelion

1:18:13

the dandelion the missus stories for

1:18:15

one of the staff writers of publish for

1:18:17

him we don't learn

1:18:19

new as

1:18:21

the managing editor have to put ice

1:18:23

on every story that goes us that is my practice

1:18:27

the requirement

1:18:29

not necessarily requirements as something i don't

1:18:31

practice and , always don't know

1:18:36

the

1:18:39

gotta have them as after all these losses

1:18:42

from litigation i kind of the fight for myself

1:18:44

as i was something i needed to do on a

1:18:47

horse

1:18:49

i think most people would hear this and as move along

1:18:51

but i think it's not a that is wild

1:18:54

this clip is probably the only time and any

1:18:56

of these depositions that i've heard someone express

1:18:58

the in response to all of the lawsuit and

1:19:00

for is is facing that they decided they

1:19:03

needed to do a better job a was yeah

1:19:05

no i was i was just i was like way

1:19:07

we're all the high and blow are you saying

1:19:09

that you saw a problem took responsibility

1:19:12

and then changed your behavior that a fucking

1:19:14

blows my mind yeah that's really

1:19:17

basic thing for normal people as

1:19:19

a super low bar to clear but for employers employees

1:19:21

that so that that deserves a standing ovation

1:19:23

know about the , floor

1:19:26

a clear sense this point kit is

1:19:28

not done a better job and we articles the go up

1:19:30

on the website or still totally for the bullshit proof

1:19:33

years abuse the ability to recognize

1:19:35

that he needs to do better i would

1:19:37

assume that he has a problem with follow

1:19:39

through or maybe as a boss that need him to do

1:19:41

a bad job to keep the company and business advice

1:19:43

i applaud this impulse on a very

1:19:46

basically i really do i think the evidence

1:19:48

shows that it doesn't really make a difference at all

1:19:50

but impressive all the same i thank you

1:19:53

know it is about what you do and not

1:19:55

about what you say but doing

1:19:57

something like saying this is so and

1:20:00

the heard him for where the boy that all accounts

1:20:02

it's as if this is sort of touching

1:20:04

on a little bit about my you retain the i mentioned

1:20:06

present like in this setting it does

1:20:08

it behooves you to know

1:20:10

something like that or up so it makes you

1:20:12

look like a better more rational human

1:20:15

gap but it doesn't help you with the know the deposition

1:20:17

narrow and it's not good defense

1:20:20

let's say know your your best events

1:20:22

that employers is pretending you've never

1:20:24

heard of info wars price what

1:20:26

is moral what are you

1:20:29

saying words was so there's

1:20:31

a interesting

1:20:34

while i'm also a in

1:20:36

, in is it the entire exchange

1:20:38

the entire for our deposition it

1:20:41

pops back up it rears it's head to see

1:20:43

him at his are you a journalist

1:20:47

journalist is it or know what do you do

1:20:49

right answer right kit has called

1:20:51

himself a journalist in the past who but

1:20:53

he realizes he realized he had made up

1:20:57

of the dresses that here when

1:20:59

you publish an article who does the

1:21:02

the circle if

1:21:04

it's an article i'm doing and typically myself

1:21:08

what's your training and journalism i

1:21:11

took summer classes

1:21:13

and know first

1:21:15

off i've i've used the word journalism

1:21:18

maybe ah to ignores before i can't see myself

1:21:20

more of the social commentator and

1:21:24

when i

1:21:26

think my whole career and enforce has

1:21:28

been more about social commentator winded

1:21:30

know when did you start

1:21:32

god characterizing yourself as

1:21:34

a social commentator

1:21:36

i think a last resort reading some

1:21:38

glenn greenwald articles festival

1:21:40

months and can be made me realize

1:21:42

the way he approaches same lot different in a

1:21:44

way i approach things is i

1:21:47

know the white snake zero cool

1:21:49

the kids but real of real old legally supposed

1:21:51

to be other points in history or not

1:21:55

i see cricket probably learned about him

1:21:57

from appearances on talking that's what that

1:22:00

would make says another interesting thing to point

1:22:02

out is that all of these people say

1:22:04

that they don't consider themselves that much a journalist

1:22:06

and they're more into social commentary or it's

1:22:09

another the really change as much but it's so

1:22:11

consistent in these depositions that

1:22:13

i think there must have been accompany me and dad

1:22:15

has to have been something like we can't claim that

1:22:18

were journalist so that opens up a box of

1:22:20

of worms we don't wanna ride around on open

1:22:22

so if we can rely on has been like

1:22:24

absentia yeah no social

1:22:27

commentator is definitely social

1:22:29

barnes or paris conversation

1:22:31

did feel like something that is useful

1:22:34

to appear to have less responsibility

1:22:36

yeah but i don't know if it helps yep

1:22:38

know

1:22:40

the the intersection of like

1:22:42

are you a journalist i may have said

1:22:44

i was in the past kind of things right leaves

1:22:46

to what i would describe as a weird who's

1:22:48

on first or team effort

1:22:50

between went over there that has yet what are you

1:22:53

that's the thing that i've moved when i've first started

1:22:55

and for that is very confusing finer fan

1:22:57

of frustration with the to get

1:23:01

the yard and as maybe this will be easier have what's the

1:23:04

difference between you and a journalist

1:23:07

i don't go out and talk to forces

1:23:09

like one on one like i'm not going to go

1:23:11

get a news tip from somebody and talk to months

1:23:13

ago let me ask you this

1:23:16

did you go out to a bernie

1:23:18

sanders protest and talk to people guess

1:23:21

does resources to

1:23:22

i don't know back home sources are just gonna give them

1:23:24

an opportunity to vent their frustrations

1:23:27

with this was going on so you're there is

1:23:29

a therapist

1:23:31

right hander interviewing people for information greg

1:23:34

what their opinions were about the matter and

1:23:37

then you took what's what's you gathered

1:23:39

from those sources of information and then you wrote

1:23:41

articles are are made videos value i don't

1:23:43

never right are split up okay for me finish my

1:23:45

question what is our attack took it i

1:23:48

just while the hospice

1:23:50

oh boy people

1:23:53

, have resorted rather have

1:23:56

them so here's

1:23:58

where the so where i see

1:24:00

like social commentator falls apart and is

1:24:02

that they feel like it's more honest

1:24:04

than journalist right but it's

1:24:06

still a hiding

1:24:08

behind something like what they should just say like

1:24:11

guess of of i'm a professional asshole

1:24:13

i am addicted to people and

1:24:15

their reaction is what we sell

1:24:18

have you ever heard that dennis leary song exactly i'm

1:24:20

an asshole that's what we do man i

1:24:22

feel like people would be like well i mean that's probably

1:24:24

about as accurate as you're going to get yeah

1:24:27

i don't i feel like it would be tougher

1:24:29

for a lot of the alex's

1:24:31

audience to get excited

1:24:33

about professional , hour

1:24:35

i just follow a professional as well as

1:24:39

is that my this that my image a little

1:24:41

that guy is a dick and i pay him for

1:24:43

a nap so as this a

1:24:45

boot the the journalism questionable will

1:24:47

come back up or of course but

1:24:49

i did the questions on the table

1:24:51

now is that if you're reporting a story

1:24:54

is it more important to be accurate

1:24:56

or first are you know quit to

1:24:58

get the story out right before you ask this question

1:25:00

to do not answer this question the

1:25:04

answer poorly

1:25:05

the earth mr soy of the same question

1:25:08

that i'm about to ask you which is foreshadowing

1:25:10

you believe it's more important

1:25:12

to get the news right or to be

1:25:14

the first to report the next i

1:25:17

think about

1:25:18

really yes you don't think it's

1:25:20

veracity of the stories far

1:25:24

the far more important than that

1:25:26

being reported before anybody else

1:25:28

know what i believe is that you also

1:25:31

you want to be as accurate as you can

1:25:33

be

1:25:34

the same time you want to be timely

1:25:36

still mean look

1:25:38

dom you

1:25:41

, want to ever say that

1:25:44

you know you could sacrifice your

1:25:46

your obligation trying to like be

1:25:48

correct or accurate about things if

1:25:51

it's in the interest of getting things as as now

1:25:53

the editor in chief that like wapo

1:25:55

or something would say the most

1:25:57

important thing to us is the truth by

1:26:00

it's right you know and then you know quietly

1:26:02

they be like

1:26:03

obviously we gotta get it out time looters

1:26:05

i there's a push pull the economics

1:26:07

here but they wouldn't say well

1:26:10

buzz buzz i think that the reality

1:26:12

is

1:26:13

obviously there is an incentive for

1:26:15

things to be immediate

1:26:17

when there are new story of course button

1:26:19

that is in no way more

1:26:22

important than act you know always supported you

1:26:24

can't get an accurate story

1:26:26

you shouldn't run with it for the sake of speed

1:26:28

does not that and i don't think that that is

1:26:31

the what's with kit is describing

1:26:33

know i think he's a much as half and half

1:26:36

the would say you get it is right you can

1:26:38

get it so long as you get it out the door

1:26:40

at the oh wait no that means that i put timeliness

1:26:42

way ahead of it now can never mind that trouble

1:26:45

yeah so i'm in

1:26:47

, the speed thing to

1:26:49

review some stuff about how

1:26:52

he views his responsibility to the

1:26:54

audience and vice versa are

1:26:56

that i find troubling when

1:26:59

you wrote exhibit one

1:27:01

was there any rush to put this article out he

1:27:03

has to the breaking story was because

1:27:08

, does the shooting

1:27:10

just occurred within the couple hours and hold

1:27:12

centrists a kind of a of figure

1:27:14

with motivations for the shooting were why

1:27:16

do why do you think the public needed another motivation

1:27:19

to medium that's

1:27:21

how the the news cycle works the people unfortunately

1:27:24

people don't wanna know things two three

1:27:26

four days later okay

1:27:30

oh boy more since they're not journalists

1:27:33

there's no race wouldn't

1:27:35

they have plenty of time to make sure what

1:27:37

their providing the people

1:27:39

is true unfortunately

1:27:42

your audience kind of dictates

1:27:44

or timeframe how

1:27:46

so or their decide on the interest

1:27:48

in a story that for five days old why

1:27:51

do you think that the kurds the public

1:27:53

has to if they have their eyes

1:27:56

set on a pretty stick their story the happens that

1:27:58

moment a time that's where the arrivals or the

1:28:00

the kids revealing a couple of really important

1:28:03

things here the first has to

1:28:05

do with the relationship between the audience and

1:28:07

the producers of the content kit

1:28:09

believes that he has to rush out stories weather

1:28:11

accurate or not because the audience is fickle

1:28:13

and they won't care tomorrow but what happened today

1:28:16

but the reality is that he has

1:28:18

this relationship backwards in

1:28:20

force has cultivated and trained this response

1:28:22

from their audience through the constant bombardment

1:28:24

of flashy headlines and imminent predictions

1:28:26

of terrorists nukes and fema camps

1:28:29

everything that's happening today is reported

1:28:31

as cataclysmic because it needs to be to

1:28:33

capture the maximum amount of attention and

1:28:36

if you want to tamp that retaining any eyeballs

1:28:38

tomorrow the headlines better be just as

1:28:40

flashy and just as severe

1:28:42

and probably not about the same thing you're yelling about

1:28:44

the day before attacking to attacking as exciting

1:28:47

alex was claimed as on his audience partially because

1:28:49

it's easier

1:28:51

partially because he can't operate any other way

1:28:53

if employers took the time to flesh out stories

1:28:55

and do follow of reporting just about everything

1:28:58

they cover would be revealed to be bullshit and

1:29:00

they'd spent all their time on air correcting the shit

1:29:02

they said yesterday which might be an interesting show

1:29:04

i think it would be as a like a sketch

1:29:07

mister show the i'll call him last week

1:29:09

sketchier i are directing yesterday that

1:29:11

may have a show physicists or even

1:29:13

time flesh out stories because you need to get

1:29:15

right back to work distracting the audience

1:29:17

as soon as the next new cycle hits and

1:29:20

you have to you have a very strong incentive

1:29:22

to not flesh out stories anyway because they don't

1:29:24

hold up to scrutiny they did this

1:29:26

to their audience but the wake it understands

1:29:28

if they're just responding to market pressures

1:29:31

this is kind of sad but i do think that i believe

1:29:33

he believes it now i feel

1:29:35

like one of the things that i'm running into here

1:29:37

and the reason that

1:29:39

ill specifically said is he

1:29:41

that more sympathetic figure is

1:29:43

simply because appears that

1:29:45

he

1:29:46

has been told all of these things

1:29:49

and then just believed that

1:29:51

yeah yeah there is that the uk

1:29:53

yeah a it's it's a

1:29:56

weird thing to run into because right

1:29:58

is a sincerity to doesn't

1:30:00

he doesn't feel artificial know and it's

1:30:03

in a database into being a good enough actor to

1:30:05

pull down or no good guy out know has what

1:30:07

it is is he's never asked himself

1:30:09

a follow up question midway ever had

1:30:11

to be i never had to so bill was asking him

1:30:13

questions that he's he's sitting there thinking

1:30:15

like

1:30:16

i've never even thought of this question before

1:30:18

this kind of interesting yeah yeah that

1:30:20

the second thing the kid is revealing his the internal

1:30:23

way that employers can understand that

1:30:25

metaphor that i refer to as the the wet

1:30:27

concrete certain his propaganda

1:30:29

narratives really only steak if you're able to implant

1:30:31

them early you need them something happen

1:30:34

and then provide the narrative for your audience to understand

1:30:36

the event through if you think it succeeded

1:30:38

that your audience will be more likely to evaluate

1:30:41

any further things they hear about the event through

1:30:43

the prism of your conspiracy narrative

1:30:45

as opposed to looking at the details independently

1:30:48

is a critical aspect of getting narratives to stick

1:30:51

and stick think the kit is reflecting the a basic

1:30:53

understanding of this but just from the producer

1:30:55

side he won't want to think

1:30:57

that that's what he's doing because it's inherently abusive

1:31:00

to an audience and it's entirely dishonest

1:31:02

but this is that dynamic when

1:31:04

he says that the audience wouldn't be interested in old

1:31:07

news when he's actually saying is that by

1:31:09

the time stories a few days old the concrete

1:31:11

already dried and whatever angle he's going to try

1:31:13

and sell it isn't gonna stick the

1:31:16

thing thing the most fascinating about his perspective

1:31:18

is that i completely agree with just about everything

1:31:20

the kid is describing in terms of what

1:31:23

or whether or not the audience would care about a couple

1:31:25

days old news story the we have

1:31:27

a fundamental disconnect in terms of why

1:31:29

i blame him for wars or dalits whereas get

1:31:32

seems to blame the audience well for how they

1:31:34

are fickle they didn't wanna we would

1:31:38

oh just because i go into

1:31:40

some community and give them a ton of heroin

1:31:42

people want heroin that has nothing to do with

1:31:44

a man people always want heroin

1:31:47

there's there's there's something to that are

1:31:49

that metaphor so

1:31:52

no get to some of the details about

1:31:54

the actual article the kit wrote i

1:31:57

wanted to pieces of information that he put

1:31:59

into the article was about how

1:32:01

nicholas cruz the shooter and

1:32:03

park lenny was a democrat

1:32:06

the and dry he figured this out was

1:32:08

the voter records gotcha now this

1:32:11

is your had this guy who man

1:32:13

this reverse him into the first sense of the story

1:32:15

correct yeah and it

1:32:17

ends with voter records

1:32:20

voter records suggest nineteen

1:32:23

year old nicholas cruz was

1:32:25

a democratic voter yet

1:32:33

where did you get records

1:32:36

if , if correctly i did a search

1:32:39

i think florida has florida i

1:32:41

think voters on for voters public okay

1:32:44

so for this story you

1:32:47

were reporting on when other people were saying you

1:32:49

went out and found voter

1:32:51

records on your own yes

1:32:53

does journalism through the

1:33:00

the commentate on what's happening

1:33:02

in the media if you're reporting something that

1:33:05

nobody else was unless this i'm

1:33:07

sorry i'm from us memories little bit fuzzy

1:33:10

unless , something i found somewhere

1:33:12

else remembers

1:33:14

i believe that florida's

1:33:19

fire sale in florida is a voter

1:33:21

registration is public information

1:33:23

go along with my the things i fell

1:33:25

for somebody else middle ,

1:33:27

nowhere nowhere my understanding

1:33:30

is a came from for a high poly did go back

1:33:32

there tried to make cases such

1:33:34

as something fully made out with i see

1:33:36

do go and verify this isn't

1:33:39

a journalism into something that good

1:33:41

practice for

1:33:44

the man john randall embarrassed by

1:33:46

things for them to

1:33:50

that's my beloved i was i

1:33:52

was kind of getting two point around

1:33:55

here were like this like this a little

1:33:57

annoying as

1:34:00

that little bit great it had

1:34:02

a certain point i am i am starting

1:34:04

to recognize why i was

1:34:06

not invited to the depositions i

1:34:08

feel like i wouldn't be able to keep quite a

1:34:10

same solid faces as

1:34:12

you end up and bill were oh

1:34:15

i wasn't here for this know you are there for

1:34:17

though and but the i mean that people who have it

1:34:19

in these depositions sure there's a there's

1:34:21

an expectation of decorum oil will

1:34:23

say

1:34:24

spoiler alert at one point there

1:34:26

is an audible last yeah

1:34:30

which a i i enjoy and i will

1:34:32

give you a heads up excellent i'm very excited

1:34:34

i'm soo do again this this this question

1:34:36

of like a is this journalism is what you're

1:34:38

doing journalism is just an

1:34:40

answerable this is just such a

1:34:43

such a merc would

1:34:45

you agree that journalists have a duty

1:34:49

right the

1:34:51

agree with that

1:34:52

that's what your own still greg so

1:34:55

if journalists worth reporting

1:34:57

an instagram account fairly

1:35:00

face and this was within hours of the shooting

1:35:03

they were verify well

1:35:05

unfortunately that's what what

1:35:08

you and me would like to believe what

1:35:10

the growing up that how i always

1:35:12

thought of traditional media reporting

1:35:15

i saw an article that feels recently

1:35:17

in in my opinion actually us is little bit

1:35:19

left leaning they

1:35:22

pointed out that the trust in traditional

1:35:24

media's out of his life flamini

1:35:27

i agree on the me ask you this

1:35:30

how didn't answer my question i

1:35:34

, like that the mummy has given sorry

1:35:36

let me throw this out idea what does that

1:35:38

have to do that that

1:35:41

this is in relation to be know

1:35:44

him he is it's given aid kits

1:35:46

article the headline the suburb lines

1:35:48

that the media somehow covering something up

1:35:51

or have the park one shooter right and this

1:35:53

is that you know a complaint

1:35:55

i guess as best i kick and explains

1:35:57

that no one else has covering the

1:36:00

the instagram right accounts

1:36:02

live so i'd bills conjecture

1:36:04

is maybe they're checking things

1:36:08

on centered so is it gets

1:36:10

rejoinder is that there's an ex ios article

1:36:12

the came out the people don't trust the media say

1:36:14

and again this is not rely on saw

1:36:16

related to the question is are you think that

1:36:19

unfortunately that leaves you

1:36:21

get a

1:36:23

the know giving supports out about statistics

1:36:26

no no no no no pit

1:36:28

this leads to a brick wall

1:36:30

not in the newsrooms ,

1:36:32

on these organizations right so you shouldn't

1:36:35

really have an opinion there

1:36:37

too well it's not my opinion when opinion would say

1:36:39

that i axial reported that i

1:36:42

would crush the media's at all time lows

1:36:45

that was a sample of the general public

1:36:47

cracked i believe so okay you

1:36:49

don't know who they sampled crack not

1:36:52

know how many people well it's over

1:36:54

minor sale be an economics major

1:36:56

if it's over thirty maybe sister sick

1:36:58

leave important the

1:37:00

i'm in

1:37:02

there's a now i'm not i'm i'm

1:37:04

lisa variables that are absolutely

1:37:06

necessary for it to be reliable you're

1:37:09

over thirty geographical age

1:37:11

gender all of those go into a tomatoes

1:37:13

subject object

1:37:16

what you're saying i don't know that for that we're

1:37:18

siding statistics and so

1:37:20

i'm starting the statistical principles look

1:37:23

at the know them know okay then let's

1:37:25

not talk about statistics are connected gonna have

1:37:29

said , her

1:37:32

you know anything about his oh no it's

1:37:35

not often i didn't say

1:37:37

how about this i'm going to give you a gift

1:37:39

don't hang yourself right now but agree that time

1:37:42

this is exactly what you're talking about the doors

1:37:44

the get open now walks down that hallway

1:37:46

of members like it's like going

1:37:48

anywhere buddy buddy he buddy up

1:37:52

the article itself sort of oil or thirty

1:37:55

years as it's like this the hell bit of context

1:37:58

right the hell tell what he means

1:38:00

the thirty people polled of right or

1:38:02

if it's over thirty percent with a hell of that

1:38:04

the i don't know i could i could

1:38:06

definitely see him say over

1:38:08

thirty people bold but i can't believe it

1:38:10

it seems like that's what he's saying based on contact

1:38:12

roughly if you're being overly generous than

1:38:14

it's like well if something is over thirty percent

1:38:17

then it's statistically relevant family that something

1:38:19

in the twenties is still it could be

1:38:21

could be seen as relevant if what he's saying

1:38:24

is that a poll as statistically

1:38:26

relevant as long as you ask more than

1:38:28

thirty people that while i do

1:38:30

not believe in education anymore

1:38:32

i don't think it can save us as a bigger can development

1:38:35

has to be over thirty percent to be statistically

1:38:37

relevant then i mean our last episode

1:38:39

from two thousand three as reporting on a german

1:38:41

polish for , percent

1:38:43

of people thought that nine eleven was an

1:38:45

inside job and let's let's not statistically that

1:38:48

from that news news

1:38:50

is not exclusive source

1:38:53

of the article itself some of the main

1:38:55

claims main it were that kit

1:38:57

was saying that the shooter dressed

1:38:59

like a communist also dressed

1:39:02

like an isis fighter in syria

1:39:04

boy and supported isis these

1:39:06

were claims that were made based

1:39:09

on nicholas cruises instagram or nicholas

1:39:11

page right up there page right a hot and

1:39:13

that the picture of marcel fontaine data

1:39:16

was found on for chance that

1:39:18

i will kids

1:39:21

miss identified and ice breaker or yeah

1:39:23

and so we we get into a little bit

1:39:25

of this the claims of the the

1:39:27

communists dressing the supporting isis

1:39:30

and not good for kids would you

1:39:32

agree with me that

1:39:37

reported for the shooter dressed as communists

1:39:40

is false as

1:39:43

to what i was if the headline

1:39:45

had to do with fontaine soto and

1:39:47

yes i agree with you

1:39:52

would you also agree with me that reported

1:39:54

for to shoot addresses as communist

1:39:57

karma supported isis that's

1:39:59

all

1:40:00

hey i don't know because i remember

1:40:02

correctly his

1:40:05

instagram accounts and things like allah akbar

1:40:10

did we photos and they instagram account

1:40:12

that was like something i would expect an isis

1:40:14

fighter in iran to dress like

1:40:17

interesting off he says isis fighter

1:40:19

interact parade constantly goes back to syria

1:40:21

yet for some reason there and

1:40:24

this is this is kind of an interesting notion

1:40:26

like why do you think this looks like

1:40:28

an ice as far as right at this

1:40:30

could not go more poorly for kit

1:40:32

of course not because

1:40:35

i can already tell you what you what answer is

1:40:37

right now i can just be like hey who knows

1:40:39

what's in a mentor