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Welcome everybody to Crystal Kyle and Friends. Today we're going

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to be talking to Motaz Salim. He's

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a Palestinian and he has been

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getting directly in the face of

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various congresspeople who are voting to

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send more money and weapons to Israel. He's

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lost a lot of family members, right? A

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hundred. He lost a hundred family members? A hundred

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family members in Gaza. Yeah, he's Palestinian American. He's

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lost a hundred. I don't even know a hundred

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family members. Like I can't even begin to wrap

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my mind around that level of

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loss. So he

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has channeled that in the best

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way that he possibly can figure

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out to do, which is to

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be on Capitol Hill practically every

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day alongside Medea Benjamin, who we

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interviewed last week and others and

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just stalking this Congresspeople and,

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you know, confronting them basically with

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his humanity. He's doing the Lord's

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work. It doesn't take much of

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like pressure from him or Medea

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for them to just

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go like, I'm a Nazi. Yeah,

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they really reveal themselves. That's right. Yeah. It

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is crazy. So anyway, we're going to talk to him. We

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got a lot of the clips of the stuff that he

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did in the halls of Congress. We'll get his reaction. We'll

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get his backstory, all that fun stuff. So for everybody just

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to your email inbox a day later when it drops. So

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definitely check that out. But before we go any further, there

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was a wee bit of a debate yesterday that actually

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Sager was the moderator for. Yeah, he did.

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Yeah. So it's a zero hedge debate and

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the debate was on Israel and Palestine and

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whether or not what Israel is doing is

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a genocide. And it was Dave

1:49

Smith and Cenk Uygur

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versus Dennis Prager and Batya

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Unger Sargon. And

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thoughts up front. Let's just get your thoughts up before we go. Well,

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a high level thought, just like a

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meta thought, is it's too many people.

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The one-on-one debates really work better because

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there's just too much

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crosstalk and you've got four strong

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personalities and you can never really

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drill down on any one particular

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point. So that's meta. But,

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I mean, listen, I actually thought Dave Smith

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did phenomenal. He has incredible background.

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He was able to put things in

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a way that left Dennis Preger at

2:27

times literally stumbling, like, sort of like

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sputtering and unable to recover. Cenk

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always does a fantastic job. They were a good

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duo because Cenk, you know, comes in really hot.

2:36

Dave comes in with like all this historical background.

2:39

Sagar made an interesting point this morning on breaking

2:41

points when we were talking about it. He's

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like, you know, it's very notable to him that

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the pro-Israel side really

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wanted to keep everything focused basically

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on October 7th, but certainly nothing

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before October 7th. And

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the pro-Palestinian side

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was talking much more about, we ought to talk about,

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you know, October 7th doesn't come out of nowhere. This

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isn't, you know, existing in a vacuum. We got to

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talk about all the atrocities he's been having after

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all of the years. The other thing

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that's very noteworthy is just

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at times the requirement of

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outright denial of reality at

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this point, given what

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we've all seen, given what we

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all know about the targeting and

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the where's daddy targeting them civilians,

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the reasonable grounds and plausible genocide,

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the starvation of the entire population,

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the destruction of literally everything in

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sight. At

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this point to defend all of that

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and say this is still stick by

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like this is the most moral

3:39

army on the planet. It's

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just sort of a fascinating exercise to watch

3:43

how you can even claim,

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make that claim at this point and what it

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requires to make that claim at this point. Yeah,

3:50

we got to get, I'd like to have Dave Smith

3:52

on the show because he's a libertarian. So I would have

3:54

a love hate relationship with him on about half the issues.

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I'd be like, are you out of your fucking mind?

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Yeah. issues, I'd be like, hey, man,

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great point. I agree. Yeah. There was actually a

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funny moment where Dave

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was like, I don't really want to quibble

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over whether the term is genocide or not. We

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actually have that clip. It's part of a longer clip that we

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got. And, you know, Cenk is obviously making the

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case for genocide and Prager comes in and is like,

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well, your debate partner doesn't even agree that

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it's genocide. He's like, he's a libertarian. I'm

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a progressive. We disagree on many,

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many things. And I think Dave

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replies like, yeah, and this is so bad that

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we actually agree on that's how bad this is.

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Yeah. So I agree. I think Cenk and

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Dave did a great job and Dennis Prager

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is the most annoying man on the planet.

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And Batya seems like a very nice person

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but was making some pretty bad arguments in

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my opinion. So let's cut. OK, we

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could have spent literally like three hours breaking this

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debate down. So we had to sort of narrow it

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down as much as humanly possible here. But I have

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two clips for you. Let's start with this one.

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They're not being targeted because they're

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Muslims or Arabs or Palestinians. They're

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being targeted because Hamas has embedded

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itself within a civilian population. Right.

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None of us would accept, I

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hope that if they had only

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killed, let's say, six thousand

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Hamas terrorists, that that would

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be a genocide. Right. We would understand that

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that was a military campaign to rid Israel

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of a danger threatening to its civilians. These

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people who have been killed have been killed

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as a result of Israel's attempt to eradicate

5:19

Hamas. And so to suggest that they are

5:21

being targeted because of their race or I

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mean, we don't believe that we know that

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that's not the case. We know that if

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they were Palestinians living in Israel or living

5:30

in Jordan, Israel would not be committing. They

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would not be dying as

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a result of Israel's actions. And

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furthermore, you can point to all of the ways

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in which Israel has tried to move the civilian

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population out of the way. They moved a million

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people out of northern Gaza into Hanunas and into

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Ratha and into southern Gaza to get them out

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of the way. Now, I see you smiling. You're

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probably thinking yourself, oh, she's proving my point. It's

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asking the cleansing. But here's the point. I mean,

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it's either the ethnic cleansing

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charge and the genocide charge are a little bit

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contradictory, right? Because if they

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were trying to commit a genocide and get,

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could just simply, you know, eradicate the world

6:06

of the Gaza's Muslim population, surely they would

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not be moving civilians out of harm's way

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while they're trying to get rid of the

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presence of Hamas in a certain place or not.

6:15

Are you saying that it is more akin to

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an ethnic cleansing or it's not a genocide? I

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mean, I think it's really funny to both

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claim that Israel doesn't do enough to

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protect civilians and then to use a

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word like ethnic cleansing, like a nasty

6:28

accusatory racist word when they actually did...

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Well, what do you mean by racist words? Like,

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ethnic cleansing, like just they're doing something, you know,

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racist when they tried to protect the

6:37

civilian lives of the people living in

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northern Gaza. I want to get paid for

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it. No, no, no, no. You dominate last

6:44

time for days, you're up. Okay, so look,

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I want to just say that in terms

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of the charge of genocide, I don't use

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the word genocide. I just think that the

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debate devolves into semantics every time you use

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it. The international legal definition of genocide is

6:57

so incredibly vague that it's like if you

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try to destroy a nationality or ethnicity in

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whole or part. So then like if you

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were to like murder two people of an

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ethnicity, is that a... I just don't even

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care about the debate. I'm saying it's wrong.

7:10

And in terms of like the term

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ethnic cleansing, there is no debate. Every

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single new historian in Israel concludes that

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there was ethnic cleansing at the beginning

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of the creation of Israel. Now, I

7:21

know I'm just making that point. I

7:23

just want to go back to revisit

7:25

something here because I literally just made

7:28

what I feel is the most important

7:30

point of all of this about that.

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I think the entire Israeli defense is

7:34

destroyed when you add in the component

7:36

that they intentionally propped up Hamas so

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that the Palestinians wouldn't get their freedom.

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And as a response, Mr. Prager invokes...

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Hold on. Invokes an atrocity that happened once.

7:46

And like, okay, that was an atrocity. Only

7:48

because I didn't have more time to... Let

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me just finish. All right. Let me just

7:52

finish. We can spend

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the rest of the day

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or evening talking about non-Hamas

7:59

Palestinian atrocities. What happened to Zaireyasan? You

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want to have a copy? The Zaireyasan was 1948. So

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what? There is no war in the history

8:06

of the world where you have not had it. So

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it's a copy? No it's not a copy. I'm acknowledging

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the Zaireyasan was awful. Okay so hold on, let me

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just finish my sentence and then you guys can continue.

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So it proves one point. So it exactly proves nothing.

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My point is it proves nothing. So then why did

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you make it? Because I'm mirroring how your point proves

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nothing. Oh okay. You're just

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dodging the point that I was

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making about this current war. Yes,

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there have been, it's objectively true.

8:30

There have been horrific ungodly atrocities

8:32

committed by both sides. Not both sides.

8:34

That's a lie. That is a libel.

8:37

It is not good. Oh it's a

8:39

libel. Okay. Other than Zaireyasan,

8:41

which was during wartime of a

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village and absolutely terrible,

8:45

tell me where there's been

8:47

Israeli atrocities comparable to Palestinian

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atrocities. Go ahead. Everybody

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quiet. Name it. Or

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you ligeled. Name it. Wait so why

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is the one I said, wait hold on. So the one I said doesn't

8:58

count why? I love how he thinks that's like

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a real gacha point, like to put you on the spot

9:02

like name and Israeli atrocities. Name what Israeli

9:04

atrocity. The problem. Tell me how much time

9:06

you got. The problem in responding to that is

9:08

there's such a list that it's like where do

9:10

I even begin? So right off the

9:12

top of my head, and this is just in the

9:14

recent genocide of Gaza, right? I'm

9:17

not including 2014 Operation Protective Edge.

9:19

I'm not talking about the Nakba. I'm not

9:21

just recently, right off the top of my

9:24

head when I first heard this, the multiple

9:26

flower massacres. Multiple. One,

9:29

there was multiple instances where people were

9:31

going desperately trying to get food and

9:33

they got murked. The story of hint

9:35

that you famously covered this poor little

9:37

girl stuck in the car gets murked

9:39

by Israel and her

9:42

would be rescuers also targeted and

9:44

murdered by Israel. But name one atrocity though. You

9:46

haven't named it an atrocity. Thirteen

9:48

kids killed outside of Al-Shifa hospital. This is

9:51

something that your own Medmon

9:53

or the human rights group brought out in

9:55

excruciating detail where you know all these 13

9:57

kids and what happened to them. The drone

9:59

strike on unarmed young men walking on

10:01

a dirt road where there

10:03

was no weapons around, there was no nothing around.

10:06

They're walking on a dirt road and a drone

10:08

takes them out from the sky when they weren't

10:10

a threat to anybody at all. Bombing a refugee

10:12

camp and killing hundreds of civilians to get one

10:14

Hamas member, which is what the IDF said. That

10:16

was their story. They went on CNN and said,

10:18

yeah, we killed hundreds of civilians to get one

10:20

Hamas member. We have the multiple

10:22

civilians who were waving white flags who Israel

10:24

gunned down. That was a very famous story

10:26

because it turned out some of them, maybe

10:28

even all of them, happened to

10:31

be Israeli. This starving of

10:33

millions of Palestinians. This is the medieval

10:35

siege. No food, no fuel, no water,

10:37

no electricity. There's 30,000 Hamas members. There's

10:39

2.3 million people in

10:41

Gaza. They announced a policy of collective punishment

10:44

and then they turned name one atrocity.

10:46

Every single day is a fucking atrocity.

10:48

You absolute scumbag. There were over

10:51

20 hospitals bombed in Gaza. Remember when everybody

10:53

was arguing over which one was it? Al Shifa.

10:56

It wasn't Al Shifa. It was Ali. I think

10:58

it was Al Ali. It was a misfired Palestinian

11:00

rocket. No, it wasn't. And people

11:02

were arguing over that. And then fast

11:04

forward three months and over 20 hospitals

11:06

in Gaza have been bombed. They're doing

11:08

controlled demolitions of every single school in

11:11

Gaza. And this guy has the nerve to say,

11:13

name one atrocity. They bombed fucking

11:16

UN buildings, you psychopath, UN

11:18

buildings. By the way, one of those UN

11:20

buildings was a standalone building. They don't even have the

11:22

argument of like, well, next door was a Hamas stronghold

11:24

or something. Then they, what do they go to? The

11:27

UN is Hamas. Like, is it? Yeah.

11:29

It's just psychotic. You're liable. We

11:31

just had an entire news

11:34

cycle about Israel targeting

11:36

and assassinating seven world central

11:38

kitchen aid workers. That's right.

11:41

I remember that one. I remember that one.

11:43

We had a whole thing about

11:46

that. And they're like

11:48

named wanna drop just this week. They

11:51

murdered 11 children playing on a

11:54

playground in Rafa, a temporary playground

11:57

that had been built for these displaced children.

12:00

were murdered. I mean, IDF soldiers

12:02

are tick talking atrocities

12:05

on a near daily basis. And

12:07

so it just it makes your head explode.

12:09

When someone says something like that, it's like,

12:12

do you actually believe this? Are

12:14

you in such a bubble that none of

12:16

this is penetrating for you? And I

12:19

think it really is, to me, the

12:21

most devastating point, there's two of them.

12:23

Number one, they announced a

12:25

complete siege. So you're

12:28

like, they're not targeting civilians, there's no

12:30

atrocities. How do you get

12:32

around the fact that they're intentionally starving

12:34

the entire population? Like they are starving

12:37

the entire population.

12:40

Definitely, you must think at least what I actually

12:42

don't think that they do. But theoretically, you must

12:44

think at least one of those people is innocent

12:46

and not Hamas. Right. But they

12:50

they really ascribe

12:53

to Israel, nothing but good

12:55

intentions. So even when it

12:57

seems undeniable, first, there's all the spin of like, oh,

13:00

well, even saying that is a libel, you know, and

13:02

you know, he wants to say blood like,

13:04

yeah, he knew he couldn't quite

13:06

get away with that. Right. So he just

13:09

calls it a libel, which no one would.

13:11

That's not a thing. Right. No one would

13:13

say in any other context. So we know

13:15

you're smearing these accusations. You're saying they're anti-Semitic

13:17

when we're all watching this unfold before our

13:19

eyes. So that's the first go to is

13:21

like, this is anti-Semitic or actually the source

13:23

for it is Hamas because it's the U.N.

13:25

or it's, you know, even when Joe Biden

13:28

says something critical like, oh, he's doing Hamas

13:30

talking points or whatever. Or

13:32

you know, they'll they'll lie to you about the

13:34

the death statistics, especially one of the clips that

13:36

we have of a MoTaz confronting Marco

13:38

Rubio, like, oh, well, these death statistics, they're not

13:40

even real. This is from the Hamas. But

13:43

he does that in this debate to Gaza health ministry, etc.

13:45

So first, is the attempt to deny,

13:48

excuse, assume the very best of

13:50

intentions. If you get them dead

13:52

to rights on some sort of

13:54

atrocity, it's never intentional. It's always

13:56

a really trying, but it's actually

13:58

that war is hell. it's accidental.

14:01

Whereas when it's a Palestinian, when

14:04

it's Hamas, everything is viewed through the absolute worst

14:06

of intentions. And the other piece with regard to

14:08

civilian targeting that just came out, which again, I'm

14:10

like, do you even read this? Like, do you,

14:12

are you aware that this is in the public

14:14

domain at this point? Is the

14:16

Where's Daddy software targeting program?

14:19

Where it's like, okay, first of all,

14:22

you have AI generating all these lists

14:24

of men who are

14:26

in the wrong WhatsApp group. And then

14:28

just based on this AI generation, you

14:30

just label them for death. So that's

14:32

step number one. And step number two, okay,

14:34

well, where are you going to actually find them?

14:37

Well, the easiest thing to do is we've got

14:39

their home addresses. So we're going to intentionally wait

14:41

till they go back home with

14:43

their wife and their kids and their

14:45

relatives and whatever other civilians happen to

14:47

be around. And if they're low level

14:49

rank and file assumed Hamas militants, we're

14:52

going to use a dumb bomb on them because

14:54

we don't want to waste precious guided munitions. We're

14:56

going to blow up the whole floor of that

14:59

apartment building, the whole entire, we're going to level

15:01

the entire apartment building, we're going to level the

15:03

entire house. And we're going to make sure that

15:06

it's when they're home with their families.

15:08

Imagine if Hamas did that on October,

15:11

Hamas committed all kinds of atrocities on

15:13

October, don't get me wrong. But

15:15

how do you think it'd be viewed if they

15:17

went to, you know, the home of an IDF

15:20

soldier and intentionally, you know,

15:22

targeted the home? They wouldn't see that

15:24

as legitimate, nor should they. Imagine that

15:26

it was an American service member who,

15:29

you know, served in Iraq and

15:31

had come back home to their family

15:34

members and their wife and kids get

15:36

intentionally blown up. Do you think we

15:38

would see that as acceptable collateral damage

15:40

and oh, war is held? No, of

15:42

course not. That's intentional targeting of civilians.

15:44

It's just undeniable at this point. So

15:46

are they liars? Are they diluted? Are

15:48

they living in a bubble? It genuinely

15:50

is astonishing to me. Yeah. My

15:53

reaction to you last night when we watched this, the

15:56

first thing I said to you was like, I

15:58

don't know if there's a single. good

16:01

faith, honest defender of Israel

16:03

anymore. Because, yeah, in order

16:05

to take the position they're taking, you

16:08

have to definitionally assume pure intentions

16:10

and motivations and a lack of

16:12

nefariousness and a lack of purposeful

16:14

targeting of civilians on the side

16:17

of Israel. And the

16:19

evidence is so overwhelming that

16:22

they are targeting civilians on purpose

16:24

that it doesn't hold

16:26

up to even minimal scrutiny anymore. So that

16:29

leads me to the inevitable conclusion that everybody

16:31

who's still defending Israel is

16:33

just dishonest. I

16:35

don't know any way around that. And I'm the

16:37

type of guy who historically I do the opposite.

16:39

I assume everybody take everybody at face value, what

16:41

they say they believe is what they believe. But

16:44

I'm really struggling with this one because I just can't

16:46

see it. The

16:48

other thing is the talking points

16:50

haven't budged a millimeter. It's all

16:53

fortune cookie bullshit. You pull the string on the

16:55

doll and they say the same things over and over. Israel

16:57

has a right to defend itself. Hamas is terrorist.

16:59

They're Nazis. Israel's most moral army. They drop

17:01

all the leaflets and make all the phone

17:03

calls and they care so much about the

17:05

civilian population. It's like none

17:08

of the things that have unfolded post-October

17:10

now, more than six months past

17:12

October 7th, none

17:15

of that has budged you from

17:17

that original position. How? Like,

17:20

did you just shut your mind off

17:22

after October 7th? And

17:24

that was it. Jake makes a good point

17:27

about that. He says, talking to the Israeli

17:29

defenders, you guys remind me of my Turkish

17:31

family members. And he goes, I love them.

17:33

There's nothing personal against them. But when they

17:36

talk about Turkey, oh my God, Turks are

17:38

the most angelic people

17:40

on the planet. They've never done anything wrong

17:42

to anybody. Yeah, they were bombing these people

17:44

and they genocided the Armenians and they did

17:46

this, but they were really defending themselves and

17:48

they were trying their best. And it was

17:50

all defense, you know, it was all defensive.

17:52

And that's it's he's exactly right about that.

17:54

So I want to address one

17:56

of the other early points that Batya made, because

17:58

this in real time, you. heard my reaction to

18:00

this because I was like flabbergasted by it. She

18:03

thinks she has a gotcha point when she says,

18:06

well, the ethnic cleansing charge and the genocide

18:08

charge are contradictory. She

18:11

thinks that's such like an own. It's

18:13

not remotely contradictory. First of all, Cenk makes a

18:16

good point. I've heard him say this a number

18:18

of times. He says there's a difference between a

18:20

Holocaust and a genocide, right? And he

18:22

says a Holocaust is when you in theory try

18:24

to eradicate the entire group of people. A

18:27

genocide could be targeting in whole or

18:29

in part, kind of, and they bring

18:31

up where 6,000 Muslims were killed, Serbanitsa?

18:35

Am I saying that properly? Serbanica.

18:38

No, not Serbanica. I think it's Serbanitsa.

18:40

Anyway, it's the, is

18:42

it the Bosnia Kosovo thing? My

18:44

history is lacking. But anyway,

18:47

the point is that was considered legally a

18:49

genocide where 6,000 Muslims were killed, right?

18:52

And if that's considered a genocide, well, now we're

18:54

already at 41,000 Palestinians killed, 36,000

18:56

of them are innocent civilians, 15,000 of them

18:58

are children, 9,000 of them are women. So

19:04

it absolutely can be both a genocide and

19:06

an ethnic cleansing. You're killing

19:08

the group, you're killing Palestinians in very

19:10

large numbers. And for

19:12

the ones that you're not killing, you're trying to shove

19:14

them through the Rafa border to set up a tent

19:17

city in the Sinai desert in Egypt. So

19:19

it can be both an ethnic cleansing and a

19:22

genocide. The idea that like in her mind, what

19:24

it has to be, it would

19:26

be an ethnic cleansing if you're pushing them all through the

19:28

border or it's an ethnic or it's a genocide. We're trying

19:30

to kill all of them and they're

19:32

not killing all of them and they're not pushing all of them

19:34

through the border. So therefore it's neither an ethnic cleansing nor genocide.

19:37

That's like, what are we in here? Like

19:39

high school debate class? Like, what are you doing? This is

19:41

such a horrible argument. They're doing both things. Well, I

19:44

mean, that's just not the definition of either of

19:46

those things either. The

19:48

piece that I think is also really important

19:50

in terms of classifying it as a

19:53

genocide or a wholesale ethnic cleansing is

19:55

to look beyond Gaza and to look

19:57

beyond this present moment. I mean, Gaza

19:59

is like accelerating. created everything this government

20:01

has wanted to do for years and

20:04

years. And, you know, Bibi and certainly

20:06

his coalition partners are very upfront about

20:08

many of the things that they want

20:10

to do to Palestinians. One of his

20:12

coalition partners talked about wiping an entire

20:15

Palestinian village, quote, off the map during,

20:17

you know, the aftermath of a pogrom

20:19

there that did kill some Palestinian injured

20:21

many, many more. But

20:24

even in the context of post-October 7, there's

20:26

been an accelerated land grab in the West

20:29

Bank. And you can't butt Hamas that. Hamas

20:32

is not in control of the West Bank. There's

20:34

been accelerated land grab, largest official

20:36

state land grab since the Oslo

20:38

Accords. You've had a massive uptick

20:41

in settler violence and pogroms against

20:43

Palestinians in the West Bank, setting

20:46

fires, killing

20:49

people, injuring people and, you

20:51

know, stealing their land. So

20:53

this is all part of

20:55

a whole. The part that I also wanted to respond

20:58

to, because this gets used a lot, it was Bashi

21:01

brought it up and it's used a number of

21:03

times. And I've heard this talking point a million

21:05

times about, well, ask the Palestinians

21:07

in Israel, the Arab-Israeli Palestinian

21:09

citizens, how they feel about

21:11

living in Israel and their rights. And

21:14

first of all, their rights are secondary to

21:16

Jewish rights. They do have curtailed rights. But

21:18

there's no doubt that they have a lot

21:20

more rights in Palestinians in the West Bank

21:22

and Gaza do. And they use

21:24

that to say, like, see, look, Israel is great.

21:26

They don't have a problem with Palestinians. But

21:29

you have to flip it. Then the natural question is,

21:31

OK, well, great. Then why not just give rights to

21:34

those same rights, all Palestinians that are living

21:36

in this territory that you basically annexed at

21:38

this point. And it becomes really clear

21:40

in response to that, that

21:42

it's because they want a

21:44

Jewish supremacist state. They always are going

21:46

to have this demographic problem. They have

21:49

to keep the Palestinian minority, a small

21:51

enough minority that can be completely controlled

21:53

and not a threat to Jewish supremacist

21:55

demography. And so that would

21:58

be an unacceptable answer. contrary,

22:00

you know, the fact that Palestinians live in

22:03

Israel and are, you know, peaceable

22:05

and not a problem and not

22:07

running around as terrorists also

22:10

really undermines the viewpoint of people like Dennis Prager,

22:12

who want to paint all Arabs basically as like

22:14

barbarians and savages. And there's just something inherently wrong

22:16

with them. So we could never live in peace

22:18

with them. Well, you are living in peace with

22:21

them. Guess why? They're peaceful because

22:23

they have decent rights and they have a decent life. This

22:25

isn't a hard thing to figure out, ultimately. So

22:27

by the way, just to I was correct. It's I

22:29

said, it's urban. It is that

22:31

it's just spelled weird. S R E B

22:34

R E N I C N spelled like

22:36

Srebrenica. Right. And it was

22:38

the killing of 8000 Bosniak Muslims. And it's

22:40

considered a genocide and it happened in 1995.

22:43

So if that's a genocide, this is absolutely

22:46

like it's I don't even think it's close. But

22:49

final point before I get to the next clip

22:51

for you. Dave Smith keeps

22:53

coming back to this point because they keep dodging it.

22:56

And the point is Nanyahu funded

22:58

Hamas so that Palestinians can't get

23:00

their freedom. Part of the divide

23:02

and conquer strategy separate the Palestinian Authority from Hamas,

23:04

separate the West Bank from Gaza, et cetera. So

23:09

for him to do that and then

23:11

now it's like all well,

23:13

Hamas is the worst thing ever. And we got to take them

23:15

all out and we got to kill every last one of them.

23:17

It's like you can't say shit now. Right. Like

23:20

you help build this monster. And they can't

23:22

they can't honestly engage with that point. And the

23:25

closest they come is when they're like, well, he

23:27

didn't really know the monster he was funding. And

23:29

Jake is like, really? You didn't

23:31

know Hamas? He's an Islamic

23:34

extremist. Prager also makes this claim of like,

23:36

well, he wanted to keep it from being something

23:38

even worse. Like you literally just made that up.

23:41

No one even argues that. And also

23:43

you say they're Nazis. What's worse than

23:45

Nazis? You say they're Nazis. But I

23:47

literally never heard anyone say that. Like

23:49

he just made that up in real time because he

23:52

was in a tight spot in the debate. Right.

23:54

Let's go to this last clip. The

23:57

idea that some lobby is

23:59

the reason. that an idea has power

24:01

in the United States is completely backwards.

24:03

The lobby gets its power because it

24:06

is representing where like the majority of

24:08

Americans are at. A lobby, honestly, you

24:10

think the NRA... You don't think it's

24:12

shaping it a little bit? You think that the NRA is

24:15

the reason that people have guns in America?

24:17

Really, you won't think that. No, the NRA have a bunch

24:19

of sellouts. No, no, no, but

24:21

the idea is like it's a very good parallel.

24:23

Americans have overwhelmingly supported Israel. If there was no

24:26

APAC, they still would have supported Israel. So then

24:28

why do we need an APAC? Because every... Why

24:30

do we need an NRA? Yeah, exactly. All right,

24:32

fine. So you... American

24:34

people have its back. Whether we need it

24:36

or not is not the question. The question

24:38

is why do they exist given the fact,

24:46

which is fair, why do they exist? Because

24:48

people lobby politicians on behalf of

24:50

what many Americans support. Americans to

24:52

this day and every poll still

24:55

support Israel as it happens. So

24:58

the arguments that have

25:00

been offered here, again,

25:02

it really is a different planet.

25:06

Just for the record, this may come as a

25:08

shock to the two of you at least, many,

25:10

perhaps many listening. And I would

25:12

put my hand on a Bible. I would take a

25:14

lie detector test because obviously there's no way I could

25:16

prove this. When I watched, I remember

25:18

sitting at the edge of my bed watching this

25:21

and I never watched TV, I watched Arafat

25:24

and Rabind shake hands and

25:26

I had tears in my eyes. That is

25:28

how badly I wanted peace. I supported a

25:30

two state solution nearly all of my life.

25:32

Certainly since the six day war, when I

25:34

was a college kid, I have

25:37

always supported it. I no longer supported

25:39

it. Just like nearly every peace activist

25:41

in Israel no longer supports it. And

25:43

we don't support it. Thanks to Hamas

25:46

and thanks to the PLO. I

25:48

mean, that says it all right there, right? He's like, I

25:50

don't support peace. Right. Okay. Well

25:53

then you can go ahead and shut

25:55

the fuck up because the whole assumption

25:57

in these discussions is always like, well,

25:59

we want peace. One piece and the terrible

26:01

evil Palestinians don't want peace, but no I don't

26:03

want even want a two-state solution. Definitely not a

26:05

one-state solution where everybody gets rights and definitely not

26:07

a two-state solution. So it's like what are we

26:09

doing here? It's like when Netanyahu and hardline Israelis

26:12

say, from the river to the sea, they

26:14

want a greater Israel, right? And

26:16

people just yawn at that. But then if some

26:18

pro-Palestine protester says from the river to the sea

26:21

Palestine will be free, Congress passes a fucking

26:23

bill calling it officially anti-Semitic. That's right. And

26:25

that's right. Like what are we doing

26:27

here? And that's right. And

26:29

that power imbalance drives me crazy. We don't have a partner

26:31

for peace on the other side. But by the way, I

26:33

never want a two-state solution. I never want a one-state solution.

26:35

And if you say free Palestine, you're an anti-Semite. I mean,

26:38

what are we doing here? He literally at a

26:40

different point in the debate was like, if you're

26:42

being honest, you know what would happen if the

26:44

Palestinians laid down their arms, there'd be peace. And

26:46

it was like, how

26:48

do you say that? And then minutes

26:50

later, admit you don't even want peace.

26:53

Correct. This always

26:55

ignores that there has

26:57

been so much genuine,

26:59

nonviolent resistance. The Great

27:01

March of Return. That's right. We

27:03

had Palestinians who were massing at the

27:06

border and they were sniped and massacred

27:08

by the IDF. That's right. Another, oh,

27:10

another Israeli atrocity. What do you know?

27:12

Yeah, I forgot that one too, because there's so fucking many of

27:15

them. So I always hate this notion

27:17

that the only resistance from Palestine, they're just

27:19

blowing up school buses and that's all they

27:21

do. It's like, no, anything

27:23

that they try to do, first of

27:25

all, they get murdered, like in that

27:28

nonviolent resistance. Those of us who are

27:30

supporters of Palestinian cause around the world,

27:32

we're smeared as anti-Semitic if we support

27:34

a sanctioned movement. Right. We're

27:36

smeared as illiberal by New York

27:38

magazine. If we support protesting people

27:40

in power who are facilitating a

27:43

genocide, we're authoritarian, illiberal, et cetera.

27:46

Tom Cotton says we should be thrown off a bridge and

27:48

have our skin ripped off. So

27:50

you leave people with no

27:53

path to protest and try

27:55

to change their situation. What

27:58

the fuck do you think is going to happen? What do

28:00

you think that they're going to some number of

28:02

them are going to resort to? But

28:04

the part that I love. Yeah, tee off on

28:06

this. Tee off on this. When

28:08

Batu is like, AIPAC

28:11

has power because

28:13

the American people just genuinely

28:15

love Israel and we

28:18

don't even need AIPAC because

28:20

there's so much just popular

28:23

majority sentiment. Send billions

28:25

more to Israel now. We demand it. Bring

28:28

weapons to Israel. And I mean,

28:30

it's just like, I

28:32

think I don't want to

28:34

look, I don't want to be too harsh with

28:37

Batu specifically, but I think if

28:39

she was looking at any other part

28:41

of our political system, I have a

28:43

feeling she would recognize the corrupting influence

28:45

of money in politics. I don't think

28:47

that most people would go, yeah, you

28:50

know why the banking industry always gets

28:52

deregulated their way and bail. It's because

28:54

the American people just love, you know,

28:56

making Wall Street criminals into billionaires and

28:58

them never being held accountable. That's

29:01

why their lobby has power is because there's

29:03

so much genuine popular sentiment in favor.

29:06

Like, I know you don't think that

29:09

that's so such a fantasy world to

29:11

imagine that's how politics works. This is

29:13

why we gave Saudi Arabia billions of dollars.

29:15

And this is why we armed them when

29:17

they were doing a genocide in Yemen, because

29:20

the American people were crying out for this.

29:22

They were in the streets going armed Saudi

29:24

Arabia, armed Saudi Arabia, armed Saudi Arabia. And

29:27

the reason why this gigantic Ukraine

29:29

and Israel aid package is about

29:31

to pass is because the American

29:33

people are so excited about instead

29:35

of having health care or solving

29:37

homelessness or having affordable child care

29:39

or child tax credit or whatever, we really want

29:42

to send those tax dollars that we just wrote

29:44

a check to the IR. We really want to

29:46

use that to bomb babies and put a gun

29:48

in the hand of a mentally disabled Ukrainian who

29:50

doesn't want to fight, but who is being shipped

29:53

off to the front lines anyway. That's what we

29:55

want to use our tax dollars for. There's huge

29:57

popular sentiment in favor of that. We should poll

29:59

this. question. Should we help out the

30:01

650,000 homeless Americans? Probably about 100,000 of them are

30:06

veterans, by the way. Should we help them

30:09

or should we take that money and send

30:11

it to Israel and Ukraine for the 98th

30:13

time within the past three fucking years of

30:15

all the A package after A package after

30:17

the weapon shipment after weapon shipment? Obviously, the

30:20

American people would cry out, please send more

30:22

weapons to Israel and Ukraine. Well,

30:24

and we know. I mean, we've listened

30:26

some of these people in Congress,

30:28

Mike Johnson, he is

30:31

a genuine religious zealot. I

30:33

don't actually think the money is the thing

30:35

for him. He is like ideologically,

30:38

even Joe Biden, I think is

30:40

like a genuine ideological. In a

30:42

different way. Zionists in different way.

30:44

Mike Johnson, it's this religious. And

30:46

time they want to usher in the Gog

30:48

and Magog war and. But there are plenty

30:50

of, think about John Patterman and this is Ryan Grimms

30:52

reporting. Right. Patterman was up

30:54

against Conor Lamb in his Democratic primary. He didn't

30:56

really think that much about Israel and was like,

30:59

hey, Democratic majority for Israel, what should my position

31:01

be? Because I don't want you to back my

31:03

opponent. I want you to be on my side.

31:05

And they're like, here's your position. And he's like,

31:08

cool. Got it. This

31:10

happens all the time. It happens

31:12

all the number. Ryan has a bunch of

31:14

other examples in his book, too, by the

31:16

way, of members of candidates and

31:18

members of Congress who were terrified of that money

31:20

coming in against them. And so they change what

31:22

they're saying in real time. Max LaFrost, another example,

31:24

change what they think, what they're saying in real

31:26

time to try to thwart

31:29

the APAC money. APAC is starting $100 million

31:34

against anyone who descents even an

31:36

inch or who they even think

31:38

might descent in the future.

31:41

You all think that has an impact on our politics? I

31:43

also I pulled up some polling right

31:46

now. Question. Ex-versus said Israel

31:48

would not be able to continue these attacks

31:50

on Gaza without the continued shipments of weapons

31:52

from the U.S. Do you think the U.S.

31:54

should stop weapons shipments to Israel until Israel

31:56

discontinues its attack on the people of Gaza?

32:00

52% majority say we should stop shipping

32:03

the weapons. Only 27% say

32:05

no, and another 21% are unsure. So

32:09

for Dennis Prager's, you know, oh no,

32:12

every poll shows Americans love Israel and they

32:14

support Israel, et cetera, et cetera. Oh really?

32:16

Not this one. I mean, bringing up the

32:19

will of the American people, the very

32:21

first response has to be a majority

32:23

of Americans want to ceasefire, a majority

32:25

of Democrats, a majority of independents, a

32:27

majority of Republicans. They all want to

32:29

ceasefire. So if you really want to talk about the will of

32:31

the American people, I'm more than willing to do that because the

32:33

facts are all on our side. Over

32:35

50% of Biden voters say this is

32:37

a genocide. That's right. This

32:40

is not, these aren't like radicals. These aren't extremists.

32:42

These are people who have eyes and ears

32:44

and just know what's going on because they

32:46

can scroll through a fucking social media feed

32:48

and see a dead kid underneath the rubble.

32:50

That's right. Even in

32:53

the very early days after October 7,

32:55

when we became clear at the level

32:57

of devastation and annihilation of Israel's engaged

32:59

in Gaza, I mean, very quickly you

33:01

had a super majority in support of

33:03

a ceasefire, even at a time when

33:06

Kareem Jampierre was at the podium saying

33:08

that position was quote unquote repugnant. Right.

33:11

Repugnant. So you're going to tell me

33:13

that these legislators just are,

33:15

you know, genuinely representing the will of the

33:17

people and money has nothing to do with

33:19

it and the threat of, you know, millions

33:22

of dollars spent against them in their next primary. It's not

33:25

going to do it. Come on. Come on. Do

33:28

you really believe that? That's what I'm saying. Do you

33:30

really believe that? It goes back to the point I

33:32

made before, which is that I am the first person

33:34

to always assume good intent and good faith in a

33:36

discussion. But I'm really struggling

33:38

with this particular issue. I'm really struggling because

33:40

I can't help. I just, it's

33:42

such an overwhelming sense that these

33:45

people are just being dishonest, man. They're being dishonest.

33:47

So anyway, great job to Dave Smith. Great job

33:50

to Cenk Uygur. Everybody go check out the full

33:52

debate. They have it on the Breaking Points

33:54

channel. So go check it out for sure. It's

33:56

got great views, by the way. More people should go

33:58

watch it. Definitely go watch the whole thing. do the whole thing

34:00

justice here. But it was really good.

34:02

And let's try to get Dave Smith on the show because

34:04

it'll be an interesting conversation if we can. Yeah, definitely

34:06

the worst person on that panel was Dennis Preger. Oh,

34:09

by a mile and a half. By a

34:11

mile and a half. Not even, I mean,

34:13

Batu at least sometimes tried to acknowledge like,

34:15

you know, things that were tough or challenging

34:17

for her point of view. But Preger was just...

34:19

I was going to give her all the smoke, but

34:21

then at the end of the debate, she said something

34:23

that was really like sweet. And so I just, I

34:26

couldn't do it because she was like, all right, let's

34:28

go through the areas where we agreed in the debate.

34:30

And then she lists them. And I was

34:32

like, I can't. I can't go off

34:34

on her. It's not nice. I gotta, you know, it's

34:37

tough. It's be nastier. So, Preger gets all the

34:39

smoke. Yeah, Preger gets all the smoke. He was

34:41

genuinely, though, the worst actor on. And he was

34:43

such an asshole to people. And then bringing up

34:45

that libel thing that was, that was

34:47

like the most obnoxious part of the whole debate.

34:49

Cheap tricks, man. Cheap tricks. Yeah. Is Dave Smith Jewish? He

34:51

might be Jewish. I have no idea. I'm going to lift

34:53

this up. Because I mean,

34:55

it would just be chef's kiss perfect

34:58

if, you know,

35:00

you're effectively accusing this Jewish

35:03

guy who's against what Israel is doing of anti-Semitism. They do

35:05

it all the time. They do it with Jewish voice for

35:07

peace. They do it with not in our name. They do

35:10

it with all the time. Self-loathing. Norman

35:12

Finkelstein is accused of being a

35:14

Holocaust denier. You know, they're certainly

35:16

not afraid. Yeah, Dave Smith is Jewish.

35:18

Okay. God, God, tell us Preger

35:20

is such a fucking piece of the book. Okay. All right. Let's

35:23

bring in Motaz. Let's bring in Motaz. So to show the light

35:27

side of things, not like the light in

35:29

terms of happy or funny, but the positive

35:34

activist side of what is being done

35:36

to try to stop this genocide. Very

35:38

lucky to be joined by Palestinian American

35:40

activist, Motaz Alam. You probably have seen

35:43

some of the clips of him

35:45

confronting members of Congress, really just

35:47

putting in their face his own

35:49

humanity as a Palestinian American who

35:51

has lost more than 100 family

35:53

members in Gaza. Let's get to it. Very

35:56

lucky to be joined in studio today by

35:58

a really courageous activist. Palestinian-American activist,

36:00

MoTaz Salim, who's been in the

36:02

halls of Congress, confronting members basically

36:05

every day, it seems like you're

36:07

in there. Every day. Every day. Every

36:09

single day. Taz, it's great to see you. Welcome back.

36:11

Likewise. Thank you. Yeah, of course.

36:13

Just introduce yourself a little bit to the audience.

36:15

Tell them how you came to this advocacy. Of

36:18

course. My name is Mathez.

36:22

I'm Palestinian-American. I have my father's from

36:24

Gaza. I have a lot of family

36:26

in Gaza. I

36:28

initially moved to DC for grad school. I'm

36:31

doing right now a doctorate

36:33

in clinical psychology. And

36:36

so I got

36:38

into doing this. I

36:41

was really pushed by what happened after

36:43

October 7th, the Israeli

36:46

response and

36:48

sort of the genocide, all

36:51

the war crimes that they've committed against

36:53

Gaza in the West Bank and the

36:55

South of Lebanon too, where my mother

36:57

is from. And

37:01

I've always been very, I try to advocate

37:03

my whole life. But

37:09

there was actually a time not too long

37:11

ago where I was very

37:15

secretive sort of about my identity. And

37:19

there are many Palestinians who

37:21

can attest to this. Our

37:24

parents tell us, especially since I was moving

37:26

to North America, I lived in Canada before

37:28

I moved here. And so I've been in

37:30

North America almost nine years

37:32

now, over nine years. And

37:35

we're told to keep our

37:37

identity quiet because of fears

37:40

of being doxxed, fears of being

37:42

harassed for just literally just being

37:44

Palestinian, which I mean, it may

37:48

seem extreme to people who are not super

37:50

familiar with the with like advocacy

37:53

for Palestine, but it's actually a

37:55

very justified fear that my

37:58

parents had as well as most parents do. most

38:00

people do. And

38:02

so like

38:05

two, two, three months after October

38:07

7th, I mean I was going to

38:10

protests every week, showing up, trying to

38:12

like educate my friends about what's going

38:14

on, but it just

38:16

progressively got worse and worse and Israel

38:19

wouldn't stop its crimes and its

38:21

genocide and just like massacre after

38:24

massacre, I

38:26

felt like I had to do more and I

38:29

sort of stopped really

38:31

caring about any sort of

38:34

potential retaliation or repercussion of

38:36

being so outspoken about Palestine.

38:38

There have been repercussions for

38:40

sure, but

38:42

you know you reach a point like I

38:45

don't want Palestine to just be and like

38:47

what's happening now to just be a chapter

38:50

in a history book, you know, and then

38:52

eventually we look back and say, oh you

38:54

know how sad it was what happened

38:56

to them and move on. A

38:59

little bit sort of like how I feel like

39:02

the education system here treats the

39:05

Native Americans. Oh look at

39:07

all these sad things, Trail of Tears and

39:09

oh well we are here now. I don't

39:11

want to let that happen. And you've been

39:14

personally affected. Correct, yes. I've

39:17

lost, so

39:20

it's a big number

39:22

and I say that because I will

39:25

admit that I don't know every person that

39:27

I've that in my family

39:29

who's been killed by Israel, it's

39:31

161 individuals. None passed like first

39:38

cousin or first aunt, first

39:40

uncle, like these are all

39:42

Palestinians have big families in

39:44

general. My dad was one

39:46

of ten siblings and

39:49

so but there are a lot of them that I

39:51

knew well that I was

39:54

close to and actually just the most recent

39:56

one was last Monday,

39:58

not this week. but the

40:00

week before and was

40:03

someone who I was in, you

40:05

know, somewhat regular contact with and they were

40:07

killed as well in an airstrike. So, you

40:11

know, it's unconscionable.

40:15

It's hard to even process. I don't

40:17

know how, I don't think we're meant

40:19

to process. This is like me speaking

40:21

as a psychologist. And trying like, there's

40:23

nothing, there's no literature

40:26

on how to process such like

40:28

mass grief and genocide and especially

40:30

in this sort of almost

40:33

comically evil way that Israel has

40:35

carried out its actions. So

40:39

you were in contact with a number

40:41

of your family members who were there and some

40:44

who even passed away? Correct. Wow.

40:47

Have you ever been to Palestine? Whether

40:49

it be Gaza, West Bank? I

40:51

have when I was much younger. I

40:54

think I was maybe four or five years old.

40:58

I had the opportunity. I mean, I

41:00

have an American citizenship, so I've had

41:02

the opportunity to go back, but it's

41:04

always felt wrong to because

41:07

my dad can't go back. He

41:11

was one time able to when, I think

41:15

it was when Morsi in Egypt had

41:17

his very short reign and he opened

41:19

up the Rafah crossing. Interesting.

41:24

And I was in like high school then, I believe.

41:26

And by the way, he was coup, too, by the

41:28

way. He was. He was. That's

41:31

right. He was democratically

41:33

elected. That's right. That's

41:35

not an endorsement of him or his

41:37

belief. He was democratically elected and the

41:40

Egyptian military said, no,

41:43

we're not dealing with that. But

41:46

that was the only time my dad's been able

41:48

to go in my lifetime outside when I was

41:50

much younger. And

41:53

so I haven't been since because I don't want

41:55

to go on my own. And like, you

41:58

know, for me, it's it's. I have

42:00

an attachment to the land, but also

42:02

especially through my father who had

42:05

to like sneak himself out of Gaza in

42:07

order to allow me to be here, one of

42:10

you guys. Wow. How did

42:12

he manage to do that? I

42:14

honestly don't know the specific details of

42:16

the story, but I

42:18

know that he really, he was a

42:20

smart kid in the equivalent

42:22

of high school in Gaza and

42:24

he went to Egypt to get

42:27

a medical degree actually. So I

42:32

don't know the details. I wish I did,

42:34

but he actually doesn't tell me. It's

42:37

hard to get many details out of

42:39

him because I think, one,

42:42

he fears how much advocacy

42:44

I'm doing. He worries about me

42:46

as a parent. Even

42:50

when I found out, for example, I

42:52

found out about some of some

42:55

more deaths in our family in Gaza,

42:58

I had to press him a lot for it

43:00

and I realized that he might have not been

43:02

telling me because he didn't want to. He's

43:05

trying to protect him. Exactly.

43:07

Has it been difficult, I mean it must

43:10

be difficult to even keep track of who's

43:12

safe, who's not safe? Yes.

43:15

We try to be in regular

43:17

contact, as regular as possible with

43:20

our family in Gaza as does he,

43:23

but it's, you know, the internet cuts off every

43:26

now and then. So is all your family

43:28

in Gaza or are there some in the West Bank too? On

43:31

my father's side, they're

43:33

primarily in Gaza. We have

43:35

one aunt who lives in the West Bank

43:37

and actually we have, and

43:39

one of my uncles lives in the West

43:42

Bank too, but he was visiting our family

43:44

in Gaza before October

43:46

and he's been stuck there. Oh, Jesus.

43:49

Wow. Yeah. Well,

43:51

should we take a look at a little bit of

43:53

what you've been up to with our great elected representatives,

43:56

you know, spending our tax

43:58

dollars well to... You

44:00

know ship more bombs to drop on top

44:02

of babies. So yeah, we'll start with them

44:04

this first one in the wake of seven

44:07

world Central Kitchen aid Workers

44:10

being assassinated by Israel you confronted

44:12

Senator Josh Hawley in the hallways

44:14

about that action whether that changes

44:16

his view Let's take a look

44:18

at that in terms of

44:20

the Israel aid. Do you have any comment

44:22

on the world Central Kitchen aid? Workers

44:25

that were struck the seven members

44:27

of the world Central Kitchen Listen,

44:30

do you think anything like we should

44:32

maybe withhold aid to Israel? Oh, no,

44:35

I'm totally in favor of getting it Israel And

44:37

I wish that we had done it right after

44:39

October 7th. Yeah, even even with

44:42

them tracking humanitarian workers Well,

44:44

listen the American citizen as well. It's it's

44:46

tragic, but I'm a hundred percent So

44:52

it's it's tragic but but

44:54

but Israel has a right to defend itself

44:56

from world Central Kitchen workers That's right. And

44:58

what are we doing here? Yeah children and

45:00

women and hospitals and yeah I

45:04

mean, that's that's the thing that it's kind of

45:06

incredible. Like he can't even really defend it It

45:09

just goes right back to the talking point. So tell us

45:11

a little bit specifically about the context of that interaction so,

45:15

I mean I'm in Congress every day and

45:19

usually when we're in Congress

45:21

we We Either

45:24

do like office visits where we try

45:26

to speak with staffers or we like

45:28

will wait outside of hearings or try

45:30

to go into Hearings to disrupt them

45:33

We've heard the staffers are more receptive. Is that true?

45:36

Some are some are I mean as

45:39

an old like overall for sure

45:41

They're more receptive than the actual

45:43

like representatives. Mm-hmm. Most definitely There

45:47

are some that sort of like sip the Kool-Aid of

45:49

the Really

45:51

they really pissed me off My

45:54

day had told us one of the staffers

45:56

actually cried. Yeah. Yeah. Were

45:58

you there for that interaction? So,

46:00

yeah, that was, I think

46:03

we have a video of it of, I

46:05

was actually showing them a list of the

46:07

names, of some of the

46:09

names of my family members that have

46:11

died as a result of Israel's aggression.

46:14

And I was asking

46:16

them, I'm like, I can't

46:18

even fathom this list. How

46:21

about you? Like, can you look at this and like,

46:23

how are you supposed to process this? And I think

46:27

it sort of really

46:29

got to him because it's a

46:31

very valid question. It's

46:34

a list of over 100 names. It's like,

46:36

how can you even defend

46:38

anyone who's responsible for this?

46:41

Has your psychology training helped

46:44

you at all to understand

46:46

some of the rationalizing that's going

46:48

on or the way that, you

46:50

know, so much of Israeli society

46:52

seems to have not only accepted,

46:54

embraced push for more brutality in

46:56

the Gaza Strip, has that helped

46:59

serve as a sort of roadmap

47:01

for you? I

47:03

wouldn't say a roadmap because I honestly

47:07

think it's

47:09

maybe where like the framework

47:12

of psychology that exists now. I

47:16

don't think it's well equipped to understand

47:18

just how much indoctrination

47:23

and like just how hateful

47:25

some of the views that are

47:27

pretty like regular in Israeli society

47:29

are or that come from like

47:31

Josh Hawley, for example. I

47:34

mean, there's a lot of cognitive dissonance

47:36

for sure. Just like, and I

47:39

notice in a lot of interactions, like people

47:43

like the staffers or the

47:45

representatives will like squirm and

47:47

just like be so uncomfortable

47:49

from our presence. Like visibly

47:51

uncomfortable. Visibly uncomfortable. And just

47:53

from like me

47:55

having a kafia on or, you know, we have

47:58

some people who regularly come with us. who

48:00

have the hijab on and you

48:03

can tell they just like there's sort of

48:05

this feeling

48:09

that they understand what they're doing

48:11

is horrible but there is just

48:13

so many layers of like psychological

48:15

defenses against that like

48:18

you know whether it's APAC money

48:20

whether they're like a Christian Zionist who

48:23

just like believes this is necessary for

48:25

the end times um I mean those

48:27

have to be the the people who have the

48:29

genuine like religious

48:32

fundamentalist like fervor

48:35

it's almost got to be the easiest for them because for them

48:37

they're like well it's bad as well this is just

48:39

what's got to happen what's not on me yeah so

48:41

for them I can see which is terrifying

48:44

yeah but for them I feel like

48:46

you wouldn't see that squirming they're just like it is

48:48

what it is they squirm less they

48:50

you know they squirm less and

48:52

they're the ones that are um

48:55

they almost get a kick out of like us

49:00

confronting them because they you know

49:02

a lot something we've noticed recently

49:04

is some of them will have

49:06

their own like intern like whatever intern they got

49:08

in their office to follow them around with the

49:11

camera oh that like they filmed the

49:13

interaction oh they think this is going well the

49:17

guy who introduced the the

49:19

bill condemning um from the

49:21

river to the sea yeah past this week his

49:24

name is uh congressman despacito

49:27

um he i'm my

49:30

theory is that he did that to like um

49:33

get back at us maybe because we confront

49:38

him a lot and he started having his

49:40

own guy taking videos and

49:43

he like edits it in a way to make

49:45

us sound like we're really dumb or like just

49:47

like these people um

49:50

and it's funny when he put it on

49:52

twitter like he got quote tweeted like a

49:55

lot of times and like all the replies

49:57

were dragging him and i don't think he

50:00

realizes he's giving us more like

50:02

amplification of our actions and But

50:07

I feel like those people to your

50:09

point the sort of evangelical Christian Zionists

50:11

they They

50:14

they don't even have that sort of like

50:16

a pack money or not They just like

50:18

view this as God's will and like God's

50:21

destiny, you know Like we are supposed

50:23

to have this what's worse the true

50:25

believers or the cynics because you get

50:27

you see so many Our politicians take

50:29

so much money from a pack or

50:31

DMFI and the entire Israel lobby and

50:33

for some of them You have to

50:36

imagine it is literally just a financial

50:38

transaction, right? I don't care about the

50:40

issue either way But if you're gonna

50:42

give me six hundred thousand dollars for my

50:44

campaign then sure I'll say whatever the hell you want, right?

50:47

What's worse? Is it that like

50:49

totally heartless cold? transactional

50:51

stuff or is it the ones who are

50:53

like the Evangelical Christian fundamentalist

50:55

Zionists who are all in on

50:57

Gog and Magog Returning

51:00

to Israel and the end times happening and Jesus coming

51:02

back and killing almost all the Jews and all that

51:04

stuff If

51:06

I were to pick I mean, they're both pretty

51:08

awful. Yeah, if I were to pick I would

51:10

say for me the the bought out

51:13

or worse are worse because

51:15

I think of it from a

51:17

point of view of how like

51:20

how Malleable is this

51:22

person as of the way they think

51:24

and You

51:26

know this evangelical who tells me that you

51:28

know, this is God's will and there will

51:30

always be like Like

51:33

congressman Scott McCormick of Georgia. He

51:36

once told us argued

51:38

with me for 15 minutes about the origin

51:40

of the conflict and you know the the

51:43

History and trying to tell me this

51:45

like Zionist version of the

51:47

history that I've heard a

51:49

million And

51:52

but he ended the conversation with

51:54

well, anyway We're not gonna

51:56

have peace in that region till the end times

51:58

because that's just what God

52:01

willed. This guy's also

52:03

like an MD, which

52:06

always talks about that. It's like modern

52:10

medicine, Christian Zionism, who knows? What

52:14

do you make up? Because I've thought about this a

52:16

lot because I used to work at MSNBC.

52:19

I knew Kareem Jean-Pierre, right? And I

52:21

know she came up through MoveOn. She

52:23

was an anti-war activist. And then I

52:25

feel like I bring this up all

52:27

the time because I just am a

52:30

little bit obsessed with this idea of when

52:33

does it happen? When do

52:36

you have that decision that's like, I can

52:38

either have principles or I can have power

52:40

or prestige or whatever it

52:44

is? And the

52:46

way you have to convince yourself that,

52:48

well, I really

52:50

am still that liberal humanitarian

52:53

anti-war activist, like I'm the

52:55

same person. And, you know,

52:57

if it wasn't me, it'd be

52:59

someone else or these activists, they just

53:01

don't understand the realities. Like how do

53:03

you make sense of a person like

53:05

that who is now standing at

53:07

a podium every day and at

53:10

times outright, you know, mocking Palestinians,

53:14

mocking activists. She's the one who said

53:16

the position of a ceasefire was quote

53:18

unquote repugnant. Oh my God. I

53:21

mean, I just I can't make sense. I really can't

53:23

make sense of that. Yeah. I

53:25

honestly like I try to think about

53:27

it and try not to think about

53:29

it too much. But I the

53:32

best way I can make sense of it

53:34

is, you know, on a simple level is

53:37

there's just this

53:39

allure to having the prestige. She's,

53:41

you know, like the spokesperson for

53:43

I don't know what her official

53:45

title is, but I

53:47

think like White House press secretary, White House press

53:49

secretary. And I'm thinking right

53:52

now of like Matt Miller, state

53:54

department, the worst. And just

53:57

like I

53:59

sometimes. feel bad for him, not for like

54:03

just his, I feel bad for

54:05

how many lives

54:07

he's had to peddle just like

54:10

as an official spokesperson and

54:13

just how I think

54:18

it's just about there's something about the

54:20

title the allure of like I am

54:22

the spokesperson of the State Department and

54:24

I need to like hold

54:26

my ground like this is my duty and

54:28

whatever my superiors tell me I just have

54:30

to and to break

54:32

through to someone who's part

54:35

of that apparatus that system I

54:37

think is very

54:39

difficult because to them this is what

54:41

is right. I think like Matt Miller

54:43

is like convinced of some of what

54:45

he's saying as absurd as it is.

54:48

Yeah. I think he's fully convinced himself like

54:50

this is the truth. And I think they also

54:52

do those mental gymnastics of like well this is

54:55

just a job and if it wasn't me it'd

54:57

be someone else and if I'm in the inside

54:59

I can affect change from here. You

55:01

know but you can almost visibly see which

55:05

ones have the most difficult

55:07

time rationalizing it. Matt's

55:09

always sweaty. He's always sweating up there. Yeah

55:11

he's always sweating up there. Jake

55:13

Sullivan just looks like a ghost of a person that's like

55:15

the eyes are so dead when you look at him at

55:17

this point. Kirby's a

55:20

scumbag. Kirby I feel like he sleeps fine

55:22

at night. He's one of

55:24

these two believers. He thinks it's righteous. He

55:26

hates the Palestinians. He doesn't see them

55:28

as human beings. That's the vibe I get from him. Total

55:30

bullshitter too. Blinken looks

55:32

like he's aged like a decade. And

55:36

he said that thing that one time about the kids that

55:38

have been killed they're going to like stay with him for

55:40

the rest of his life but then you're still out there

55:42

doing the thing. So

55:45

Samantha Powers another one. It's like oh yeah.

55:48

Oh yeah. How? Do

55:50

you reconcile these things? Samantha Powers

55:52

I'm glad you mentioned her. We

55:54

actually confronted her last week. She

56:00

was giving hearings left and right to whatever

56:02

committee so many committees and She

56:06

that's part of why like she Confirmed

56:09

that the famine is underway and I

56:12

confronted her and asked her Can

56:14

like can you please speak on why there is

56:16

a famine? Why people

56:18

are starving and I thought and the last

56:21

like she was silent the whole time Then

56:23

I told her like I'm from Reza look

56:26

at me I'm from Reza and she looks

56:28

at me and says like I'm so sorry

56:30

and like she looked Sincerely

56:33

distraught. I think I'm I think I've gone

56:35

pretty good at like gauging people's like

56:37

reactions. Yeah emotions in their face Yeah,

56:39

and she looked Sincerely

56:41

distraught when I told her that and she

56:43

was like met with this reality

56:46

of like Oh, this is like one of the

56:48

people who I mean I there is a world

56:50

where I'm a person on the ground who's killed

56:53

in an airstrike But

56:56

then she goes and continues to

56:58

you know as the head of the USA USAID she can't She

57:03

should but she feels like she can't

57:06

actually speak on the truth of the full

57:08

truth of what's going on astonishing And she

57:10

even had a moment of humanity. I mean

57:14

Just a glimpse and That

57:17

is really disheartening to me It's like you

57:19

you had this glimpse and then you go

57:21

and just like lie you

57:23

know in front of these committees in front of

57:26

all these representatives and It's

57:29

it's tragic honestly, it's tragic that the

57:31

power that Having that

57:33

prestige and that position has on

57:36

like people just losing their humanity

57:38

and having like no

57:40

principles What do you

57:42

make of you probably run into this all the

57:44

time, but I've definitely noticed this quite a bit

57:47

the the passive

57:49

language that's used when it

57:51

comes to atrocities

57:53

against Palestinians versus

57:56

the very emotive purposeful

57:58

language used when it's about Israeli

58:00

civilians. So we've, I mean, they

58:03

intercepted an analysis of this when

58:05

it comes to the media. And

58:07

it was astonishing. You talk about

58:09

words like slaughter, massacre, atrocity, horrific

58:11

terrorism, all that is used when

58:14

talking about Israeli civilians. When talking

58:16

about Palestinian civilians, it's always

58:18

a blast, injured

58:21

X number of people. Right. But

58:24

it's so surgical. They're minors. They're

58:26

not children. They're not mothers.

58:29

Females. A young lady,

58:31

as was a descriptor of, a three-year-old

58:33

little girl. So are you

58:35

running into this with your real world interactions too?

58:37

Because I just noticed it a little bit from

58:40

Holly. Holly said, oh, what

58:42

happened was tragic. No, it's not

58:44

tragic. It was an absolute war

58:46

crime where they murdered these workers

58:48

on purpose. Correct. Correct.

58:51

I have noticed it a lot. I

58:54

think I also mentioned that their new

58:57

favorite term is military aged men, which

59:02

is despicable. Let's decode that for

59:04

people. Military aged men means there's zero evidence

59:06

that these people are combatants in any way,

59:08

shape or form. But since they're military aged

59:10

men, if we kill them, they had a

59:12

comment. Yes. That's what I mentioned. Eventually

59:15

consent for

59:17

massacring young

59:19

men. Literally any man. That's right. Literally any

59:22

man. Or even, I mean, teenagers

59:24

or old men or what I mean.

59:26

Yes. Talk about a literal

59:28

war on men. And you see this, you know,

59:30

the news covers like on one hand, I guess

59:32

I understand because if it's a woman or a

59:35

child, like they're definitely a civilian.

59:37

Right. There's no excuse. Right.

59:40

But then you just are

59:43

assuming all the men,

59:45

every single man who's killed must be guilty.

59:48

And you see this in the way

59:50

that Israel has behaved. I mean, you

59:52

know, we just have this new report

59:54

come from UNRWA about the horrific torture

59:56

and abuse and rape that has

59:58

been perpetrated against Palestinian. And then, you

1:00:00

know, they'll call them detainees. You might also call

1:00:02

them hostages. Thousands of whom

1:00:05

have been taken by Israel. And

1:00:09

it's enough that they're a quote

1:00:11

unquote military age man to assume

1:00:13

their guilt. And I think

1:00:15

this does, I mean, it's horrifying just in

1:00:18

this context, but it's also horrifying because you

1:00:20

know these things won't stay in this conflict.

1:00:23

It opens up Pandora's box for the

1:00:25

rest of the world and

1:00:28

every future conflict to come. Any

1:00:31

sort of oppressed people that's

1:00:33

not considered by like the

1:00:35

US mainstream media as like

1:00:37

allies or as, I mean,

1:00:40

it's really, it's rooted

1:00:42

I think in race because

1:00:45

when we see like partially

1:00:47

in race, I don't think it's the whole picture,

1:00:49

but I think that the comparison I make and

1:00:51

the reason I make this comparison is because you

1:00:54

can see it side to side, especially with

1:00:56

the New York Times or New York war

1:00:59

crimes. I like

1:01:01

to call them. Whenever there's

1:01:03

a strike in like Maripol

1:01:05

or in Ukraine and it's

1:01:08

always like egregious

1:01:10

Russian air strike massacres,

1:01:14

and Ukrainian babies. It's like, oh, you

1:01:16

guys are capable of actually

1:01:19

parsing it out and presenting that truth.

1:01:21

But when it's in the Gaza, it's

1:01:23

like bombs

1:01:25

somehow detonates

1:01:28

and Palestinians report like people dead

1:01:30

or something. That's exactly right. There's

1:01:32

always like little seeds of doubt.

1:01:35

They try to implant in the

1:01:37

language. That's exactly right. The way

1:01:39

the a lot of staffers and

1:01:41

the representatives especially talk is even,

1:01:45

and I mean, this is, I

1:01:47

see it even when people are being sympathetic, there's

1:01:50

like a reluctance. There's sort of this

1:01:52

like block from calling

1:01:55

it a genocide, for example, it's still

1:01:58

so controversial. to

1:02:00

call it a genocide in the halls of Congo. Which is

1:02:03

wild. How much more evidence

1:02:05

do you need? We saw this the other

1:02:07

day, there was that big report about the New York Times that

1:02:09

came out where there was a memo that came down from the

1:02:11

top where they said, don't say

1:02:14

genocide, ethnic cleansing, occupied

1:02:17

territories, don't say

1:02:19

Palestine. That was the

1:02:22

craziest one. They literally said,

1:02:24

don't say Palestine. So

1:02:26

this is a war on the truth. Let's just

1:02:29

call it what it is. And it's a war

1:02:31

on the truth. It's erasure. It's they are literally

1:02:33

like, that's the name of the freaking country. Right.

1:02:36

Palestine. And you're a news organization,

1:02:38

quote unquote, paper of record. Yes.

1:02:41

And yeah, in occupied territory, that to

1:02:43

me was wild. It was all the

1:02:45

parts about like genocide, ethnic cleansing. It

1:02:48

should be shocking, but I wasn't shocked by those. But

1:02:51

refugee camp Palestine. There's

1:02:55

actually a new study out. Fair

1:02:57

media just released this since

1:02:59

October 7th, New York Times, Washington Post,

1:03:01

Wall Street Journal have overwhelmingly applied the

1:03:04

term brutal only

1:03:06

to violence that's committed by Palestinians.

1:03:09

So in the case, it's like, you know, 90 percent

1:03:13

of the instances of where

1:03:15

they say brutal, it's

1:03:17

over seven when it's Palestinians committing

1:03:19

crimes. And when it's Israelis, it's sanitized.

1:03:22

Like you said, they love to

1:03:24

sow the doubt. You would think the death

1:03:26

toll is reversed the way they talk. That's right. You

1:03:29

would think that it's 41000 Israelis who've

1:03:31

been killed. And there was that poll

1:03:33

that came out that said that

1:03:36

many Americans couldn't say

1:03:38

which side had suffered more casualties.

1:03:40

And that makes sense because

1:03:42

that's what because if you look at

1:03:44

this news coverage, yeah, unless you

1:03:47

like consume specific sources

1:03:49

that aren't like mainstream media here in

1:03:51

the U.S., like, I mean, I'll

1:03:54

give a shout out to the intercept because

1:03:56

they're reporting and especially like they have been

1:03:58

on top. and

1:04:01

Prim's Locker has been like a

1:04:04

godsend honestly, especially in

1:04:06

this like Western US context, because

1:04:09

it's really the only like remotely

1:04:12

large outlet that you see this sort

1:04:14

of, the full

1:04:16

truth being displayed, which is not what

1:04:18

like CNN and the New York Times

1:04:20

and what have you. What's

1:04:22

interesting is when they have moments, because it'll

1:04:24

be like two weeks of horrific, terrible coverage,

1:04:27

then every now and then, one segment you'll

1:04:29

see and it'll be something that

1:04:31

you're like, I can't believe this got through, because remember

1:04:33

there was the idea, remember the story about like the

1:04:35

IDF sensor was getting the last word,

1:04:38

like they had to run it by them at

1:04:40

CNN. That was also intercept reporting. Remember that, that's

1:04:42

insane. What are we talking, imagine running a story

1:04:44

about Iran by the revolutionary guard, like

1:04:47

everybody would be like, what the grand ayatollah's got

1:04:49

veto power, or were we gonna, that's

1:04:51

what happened, what's happening with Israel, that's crazy. Right, and

1:04:53

what they do is, if

1:04:56

it's a quote from the Israeli government of the

1:04:58

IDF, they just print it. No

1:05:00

checking, no whatever, no hand wringing, it's

1:05:02

just in, it's fact, it's done. If

1:05:05

it's a quote from a Palestinian,

1:05:07

well, we're not sure, we need

1:05:09

to caveat it, we need to

1:05:11

check, I'm sorry, this doesn't make

1:05:13

it. Exactly, exactly. Let's

1:05:15

take a look at probably your

1:05:17

most infamous exchange with what is

1:05:20

it, Congressman Chuck Fleishman? No,

1:05:22

before I play it. Tennessee District Two. Is

1:05:24

this a, you put him in the like,

1:05:26

true believer, what? Christian

1:05:29

Zionists. Christian Zionists. He puts him in

1:05:31

the paranoid schizophrenic camp. Yeah. We

1:05:34

can get into the phycology of that. Evangelical

1:05:36

Zionists. Okay, all right, so you're talking to

1:05:39

him in the hallway, let's just take a look

1:05:41

at how this unfolds. You can tell the Palestinians,

1:05:43

I won't admit the what's in your

1:05:45

mind. Why do you support the genocide and

1:05:47

all of the war crimes and collective punishment? Are

1:05:50

you concerned about all the children? Let me make

1:05:52

it clear, let me make it clear, Israel is

1:05:54

our ally, will always be our ally. Even if

1:05:56

they commit war crimes, even with- And they are

1:05:58

not guilty of genocide. support Israel

1:06:00

forever you will say your ally

1:06:03

even though they commit Israel even

1:06:05

though even that your term even

1:06:07

your turn they killed 30,000 kids

1:06:09

that is a really good people

1:06:11

on our cover let me tell

1:06:14

you a statistic yes Israel will

1:06:16

exist the Jewish state will exist

1:06:18

that's not a decision and that

1:06:20

is for God absolutely do and

1:06:22

I will always murder

1:06:28

Israel children you can tell the

1:06:30

Palestinians I will never support you

1:06:35

I will tell you to your friend you want my good

1:06:37

bye good bye we will support Israel

1:06:44

forever you know you are comfortable

1:06:46

with the murder of thousands of

1:06:57

children the Jewish people will never

1:07:00

answer under Palestinian terrorism under

1:07:04

Hamas under his know what about 30,000

1:07:06

God bless Israel so

1:07:11

we were talking before the cameras were on yes that it doesn't

1:07:14

take much for

1:07:19

these people to just go like I'm a Nazi yeah that's

1:07:23

what I feel like I just watched there we

1:07:25

will support Israel forever it literally doesn't matter at

1:07:27

all what they do it doesn't matter at all

1:07:29

not it does there were people considering nuking

1:07:31

Gaza after October 7th so according to

1:07:34

this guy they nuke Gaza he'd still

1:07:36

be Israel forever I will never tell you

1:07:38

can tell the Palestinians I will never support

1:07:40

them I will never support you goodbye to

1:07:42

Palestine yeah yeah

1:07:45

I mean it's the video sort of speaks

1:07:47

for itself honestly about how

1:07:50

normalized it's become this

1:07:53

sort of anti-palestinian rhetoric this it's a

1:07:55

it's a form of racism that's just

1:07:57

like no one bats an eye at

1:08:00

anymore because Chuck Fleischman is not

1:08:02

alone. I mean just

1:08:04

yesterday we Confronted

1:08:06

Brian Mast for example. He's a

1:08:08

war. I wore an IDF uniform

1:08:11

to Congress. That's a foreign military uniform

1:08:13

Yeah, no big deal the US Congress.

1:08:15

No big deal. Let's have somebody go

1:08:18

wear an Iranian uniform He's

1:08:23

beloved let me see how they treat me

1:08:25

making me want to do that Yeah Enjoy

1:08:30

Guantanamo There

1:08:32

for sure and and Yesterday

1:08:36

Brian Mast said he kept saying he

1:08:38

kept referring to Reza

1:08:41

as our non-ally he really meant

1:08:43

enemy. Mmm, but he Said

1:08:46

Reza as a whole is

1:08:48

our non-ally and I told him like as a

1:08:50

whole like everyone and he said I think I

1:08:53

was Pretty clear about that. He

1:08:56

said that a number of times. Yes. There are no

1:08:58

innocent civilians in Gaza. Yes and

1:09:02

we actually went to the because There

1:09:06

was Tim Wahlberg his name is he's a

1:09:09

Michigan congressman He's the one who said who

1:09:12

cited in case we weren't for sure

1:09:15

Getting what he was saying. He cited, you know

1:09:17

Hiroshima Nagasaki. We should do that. That's right. I

1:09:19

got rid of that I covered that We

1:09:22

tried going to his office I actually have a

1:09:24

funny video on my Instagram of

1:09:26

like we tried to visit his office Which

1:09:29

is locked all the time now only

1:09:32

office that locks us out Wow, and I

1:09:34

literally spoke through the mail slot. I was

1:09:36

like does the congressman still want a new

1:09:38

president? American maybe

1:09:41

I can change his mind tell him why that's a

1:09:43

bad idea And

1:09:45

then like they called the cops on us and the

1:09:47

car like are you is everything? Okay I was like,

1:09:50

I literally just spoke through the mail slot. That's it.

1:09:52

We didn't try to force ourselves in or anything but

1:09:55

anyways, the bigger point is It's

1:09:59

I think I don't

1:10:01

have the words for how concerning it

1:10:03

is, how normal it's

1:10:06

become to just hate Palestinians

1:10:08

and to say outrageous, outrageous

1:10:11

things about Palestinians, like goodbye to

1:10:13

Palestine, like, as

1:10:15

a whole, is our enemy, implying

1:10:18

like every single individual in there.

1:10:22

And you're right, Brian Mass before has

1:10:24

said like that even the babies are

1:10:26

not innocent who have been

1:10:28

killed because they could potentially grow up

1:10:30

to be a terrorist. I've

1:10:33

never seen anything like this because I

1:10:35

remember, you know, my big enlightenment moment

1:10:37

was growing up witnessing the Iraq war

1:10:40

and all that stuff and just remembering

1:10:42

the horror of that and Abu Ghraib

1:10:44

and Guantanamo Bay and hundreds of thousands

1:10:46

of innocent civilians killed and millions displaced

1:10:48

and all of that stuff. But

1:10:51

I also remember at the time,

1:10:55

even George W. Bush gave a speech

1:10:57

saying like our issue is not with

1:10:59

all Muslims, our issue is with the

1:11:01

terrorists, with Al Qaeda and all that

1:11:03

stuff. And there was at least an

1:11:05

attempt to put a veneer of seriousness

1:11:07

or respectability over it.

1:11:09

But in this instance, it is

1:11:11

it's all hanging out like the

1:11:13

hatred, the racism, the

1:11:16

bigotry that these are nonhumans

1:11:19

and our allies are good by definition, no matter

1:11:21

what they do. And I've literally never seen anything

1:11:23

like it before. I mean,

1:11:25

the fact that over 20 hospitals

1:11:28

in Gaza have been attacked,

1:11:30

they have systematically destroyed

1:11:32

all of the schools in

1:11:34

Gaza. That alone, never

1:11:36

mind the 9000 other things that we

1:11:39

could talk about, like that alone is

1:11:41

mind boggling to me. And we're

1:11:43

still here. Here's your money. Here's your weapons. They've

1:11:47

destroyed mosques and churches. That's right. That

1:11:49

are thousands of years old. And

1:11:52

that's really when I, you

1:11:54

know, early on when people were still debating whether it's

1:11:56

a genocide. I mean, I

1:11:58

think that's one of the biggest. indicators

1:12:00

that it is is because

1:12:03

it's not like for me and based

1:12:05

on what I understand that genocide is it's

1:12:07

not just like the pure number which I

1:12:09

think is like a psychopathic argument that

1:12:11

people have made to me right they didn't kill

1:12:14

all of them they didn't kill all right or

1:12:16

like me or oh my god like the there's

1:12:18

this like Jew belong account

1:12:20

or something that once they put out a post

1:12:22

and then they deleted it of like they

1:12:25

could wipe them out if they wanted to like

1:12:27

something along those we've heard that one

1:12:30

word oh my freaking god dude like

1:12:32

what is going on how can you

1:12:34

say this about anyone and

1:12:36

but for for me what really like I was

1:12:38

like oh my god they are going all in

1:12:40

on the genocide is they're

1:12:42

destroying they destroyed almost every university

1:12:44

in the house yeah mosques

1:12:48

churches civil

1:12:50

offices like government offices with

1:12:53

records and just like if

1:12:56

that's not wiping out a civilization I don't

1:12:58

know what yes that's a

1:13:00

great summit areas you know people like

1:13:02

past their family history all

1:13:05

of that we just broke down the

1:13:07

debate and but younger Sargon made that

1:13:10

comparison that there she said

1:13:12

it's contradictory to say it's an ethnic

1:13:14

cleansing and a genocide like it

1:13:17

kind of contradicts itself it's like actually no it doesn't at

1:13:19

all they've killed 41,000 Palestinians while

1:13:21

at the same time a bunch that are stuck in

1:13:24

Rafa they want to push them through the Rafa border

1:13:26

to set up a tent city in the Sinai desert

1:13:28

it can both be an ethnic cleansing in a genocide

1:13:30

but to your point I run into this too where

1:13:32

people are like well they haven't killed

1:13:35

every single one of them yeah it's like

1:13:37

that's convincing to you and they could and

1:13:39

it's like they shouldn't kill anyone who's innocent

1:13:45

ideally let alone like now over

1:13:47

35,000 that we know of the

1:13:50

other language that you hear a lot at

1:13:52

the speaking to like the racism and the

1:13:55

dehumanization and there is a lot of like

1:13:57

you know post 9-11 vibes that are that

1:13:59

are coming back as well is this

1:14:01

like, Oh, well, the Israeli

1:14:03

culture and they're so advanced and they're

1:14:05

so you know, the advanced technology and

1:14:08

the medicines beautiful place and then look

1:14:10

at these barbarians in Gaza and look

1:14:12

at the way they live. And of

1:14:14

course, we're going to side with you

1:14:17

know, the Netanyahu says the children of

1:14:19

light over the children of

1:14:21

darkness. And you see

1:14:23

this also in like the Sam Harris's of

1:14:25

the world who want to make these arguments

1:14:28

for the Richard Dawkins of the

1:14:30

world who want to make these

1:14:33

arguments that like Muslims are just

1:14:35

inherently culturally bad, barbaric,

1:14:38

wrong, evil uniquely

1:14:40

so and so of course we need

1:14:42

to side with the Christians or the

1:14:44

Jews over the Muslim. They say they don't want the

1:14:46

same things for their kids and their families that Christians

1:14:48

do and that we do as what they say. They

1:14:50

don't want the same thing. A horrible thing. I will

1:14:53

now that you mentioned Sam Harris like I

1:14:56

don't know if you'll ever listen to this but I

1:14:58

was actually a big fan of Sam Harris like way

1:15:01

back when he was way back in the day

1:15:03

was it was more when it's

1:15:06

a lot of his like mindfulness stuff and whatever

1:15:08

I found a lot of value in that and

1:15:10

then I like learned more about how he views

1:15:12

Muslims and just like Jesus

1:15:15

Christ dude. Oh my God. It's a common

1:15:17

story. I also there was a time when

1:15:20

I liked him and yeah, you know, then

1:15:22

he's well spoken and like seems like reasonable

1:15:24

enough. The way he does the NPR style

1:15:26

talking makes

1:15:30

you think he's calm, cool and collected and

1:15:32

must be very rational with everything he's saying.

1:15:35

Yeah, and that's his whole that's his whole same

1:15:37

thing with Dawkins man. I freaking loved even his God

1:15:39

illusion was a good book. But even before that I

1:15:41

loved his like he writes these like pop science

1:15:43

books on evolution where I thought that you know

1:15:46

that was so great. And fascinating. There's a number of

1:15:48

people put Bill Maher in this camp too that

1:15:50

it turns out they're like a rock being on the

1:15:52

right side of the Iraq war like being against the

1:15:54

Iraq war and stuff. It was just more like that.

1:15:56

He's Muslim. So what are you gonna do? They should

1:15:58

all kill kill themselves. You know. It's

1:16:02

astonishing the way that that has really

1:16:05

come out. And at this

1:16:07

point, it almost has to be like that

1:16:09

Nazi ideology almost has to be so naked

1:16:11

because there's no defending what's going on. Without

1:16:14

lies. Without insane lies. Yeah,

1:16:16

outside of just out and out

1:16:18

like Nazism. And you know,

1:16:20

these are the bad guys. These are the

1:16:22

good guys. They're inferior in all this various

1:16:25

ways. And so they deserve, including their babies

1:16:27

in there, you know, mothers and everything about

1:16:29

them deserves to be destroyed. Yeah,

1:16:31

and I think, I

1:16:34

don't know, this this might be controversial to

1:16:36

say, I think it also

1:16:38

starts with how like

1:16:41

how they portray October 7 and

1:16:44

how they portray like Hamas as

1:16:46

well, which

1:16:48

like, you know, I'm never going to

1:16:50

sit here and ever try to justify

1:16:52

the killing of innocent people. Like

1:16:55

I will mourn for every innocent civilian

1:16:57

who was killed because at

1:16:59

the end of the day, we're all people trying to go

1:17:01

about our day, live our life. I

1:17:05

think people really don't understand that

1:17:07

like, one, Palestinians

1:17:09

have tried everything. We have tried

1:17:12

everything. We had the Great March

1:17:14

of Return, which was fully nonviolent,

1:17:16

fully sort

1:17:18

of like grassroots within because like it

1:17:21

wasn't organized by any of the political

1:17:23

factions there. We've

1:17:26

tried sort of like, God knows

1:17:29

how many accords now and always

1:17:31

get shafted, always get dealt

1:17:33

a very bad deal. And then the

1:17:35

mainstream media here portrays it as and

1:17:37

I mean, they've been doing it with

1:17:39

the ceasefire, right? Where it's like, we

1:17:42

want a permanent lasting ceasefire and a

1:17:45

promise that there will know there

1:17:47

will be a cessation of this

1:17:49

like massacres and killing. And

1:17:52

that is like a hard line. And

1:17:55

they keep saying like, Hamas rejected it and you're

1:17:57

posing six weeks. Yeah,

1:18:00

after six weeks going back to genocide is not

1:18:02

a yes, I'm right It's like you want enough

1:18:04

time for people to like forget about it in

1:18:06

the media and whatever and like come back to

1:18:09

it And then reload. Yeah another

1:18:12

thing that I really like I would be

1:18:14

wrong for me not to mention is like

1:18:17

People don't understand that one

1:18:20

Hamas is not just like this

1:18:22

militant group. They're also like the government

1:18:24

There's the political faction also there's different

1:18:26

wings So you're talking about like any

1:18:28

sort of social welfare any sort of

1:18:31

governance? like it's also like there are

1:18:33

politicians people who've gotten like political science

1:18:35

degrees and Whatnot like who

1:18:37

are part of the organization? Who

1:18:39

aren't necessarily part of the military wing

1:18:42

or like involved in that area and

1:18:44

they are? treated by

1:18:46

the Israeli army as like Equal

1:18:49

to a guy who's also like shooting a

1:18:51

gun in their face, right? And it's like

1:18:53

that's not There's the

1:18:56

and that's the dehumanization of it It's

1:18:58

like everyone who even is remotely attached

1:19:00

to this banner of Hamas is considered

1:19:02

like holy evil Unable

1:19:06

to be reasoned with like entirely insane

1:19:08

and it's like that's not true You

1:19:10

have to be able to sit down

1:19:12

with these people and calling

1:19:14

them just like violent Rampaging

1:19:17

barbaric terrorists like that

1:19:20

goes against any of that We've

1:19:22

seen different stretches of different Strategic

1:19:25

approaches from Hamas as well They're you know that

1:19:27

they always people on the right and the Zionists

1:19:29

always point out the thing in the Charter about

1:19:31

how you know They want to drive

1:19:34

Israel into the sea or whatever and but then

1:19:36

there was also times where they said look We'll

1:19:38

accept a 1960 deal along

1:19:40

the 1967 borders will accept that right

1:19:42

now. In fact, there is a report That

1:19:45

I thought today that there was another indication

1:19:47

from the political wing of exactly that Works

1:19:50

for that one. I saw a thing but I didn't see the source for that

1:19:52

one I'm not sure if that once it was supposedly

1:19:54

from Al Jazeera, but okay,

1:19:56

that'd be like, but we should

1:19:58

check into this But it was an indication that

1:20:00

you know they had listen we'll just an military wing

1:20:02

if we get a stay-along 67

1:20:05

borders and that's things that like that have been suggested

1:20:07

in the past now you could say okay Well, they're

1:20:09

not serious and they don't really mean it really you

1:20:11

know the end goal is by that logic Likud

1:20:13

is never serious. Well. I mean I'm good is

1:20:15

out now not seriously you want to talk about

1:20:18

not a partner for Yeah, they're very open

1:20:20

about it And I know brags its whole

1:20:22

gambit to hold on to power at this point given

1:20:24

his unpopularity Is to

1:20:26

be the guy who's gonna make sure that

1:20:28

the Americans don't force a two-state solution on

1:20:31

them I mean you thought just like

1:20:33

oh, I think a week before October 7th or

1:20:35

like a Earlier a few

1:20:37

weeks earlier. Maybe he went to the UN and

1:20:40

he had the map of palace

1:20:42

of Israel with no no

1:20:44

West Bank no residents. No nothing's like

1:20:46

yeah, and that was just accepted. Oh, this is

1:20:49

fine Okay, and the

1:20:51

idea of like and we've heard this

1:20:53

a million times like oh the war

1:20:55

is not gonna stop until we wipe

1:20:57

out Hamas yeah, and what they're doing

1:20:59

is setting an impossible standard on purpose

1:21:01

to be able to continue to do

1:21:03

this Because precisely I mean look whether

1:21:06

you call it Hamas or whatever the hell else you want to

1:21:08

call it you're creating more Palestinian

1:21:10

hardline militants day by day by day cuz

1:21:13

yeah how many kids are now orphaned how

1:21:15

many innocent people did you kill? What do

1:21:17

you think their surviving family members are gonna do? They're

1:21:20

immediately gonna I'm gonna they're gonna go join the local faction like that

1:21:22

if I was in that position Are you kidding me? I'll be like

1:21:24

go give me an AK 47. I'll go sign up right now There

1:21:27

was a very viral video going around to this kid probably

1:21:29

13 14 years old Yeah screaming

1:21:31

at Netanyahu saying I'm coming for you.

1:21:33

You took everything my whole family just

1:21:35

got killed And that is

1:21:38

actually how a bulk of the people

1:21:40

end up being sort of indoctrinated into

1:21:42

the the militant side of course Yeah,

1:21:45

I think even God I wish

1:21:47

I could remember the name, but there was this

1:21:50

podcast. I think by CSIS

1:21:52

like they have their podcast and

1:21:55

There was like a former State Department official

1:21:57

on it who? confirmed

1:21:59

from his his own time in the

1:22:01

State Department, and he said that

1:22:04

at least 40% of those people on

1:22:07

the ground fighting for Hamas are

1:22:09

orphans. Right. You have no other

1:22:11

choice. You grow

1:22:13

up as like this very

1:22:16

young, sort of malleable, easy to

1:22:18

indoctrinate kid, and above that, by

1:22:20

the way, your parents were killed

1:22:22

by this military, as were a

1:22:24

few of your aunts, your cousins, maybe your siblings. You

1:22:28

either can just sit and do

1:22:30

nothing about it, or how about

1:22:32

here, here's a weapon, take

1:22:34

up arms and go fight. Or organize the

1:22:37

Great March of Return and get sniped by

1:22:39

the IDF. That's

1:22:41

the point, what do you think is gonna

1:22:43

happen in these, you put people in these

1:22:45

impossible situations, and then the logical reaction

1:22:48

happens, and then it's like, oh

1:22:50

my goodness. Yeah. Spare

1:22:52

me, spare me. Again, that's not

1:22:54

to excuse killing of innocent civilians. I

1:22:57

will never say that that's an okay

1:22:59

thing to do. It's more so to

1:23:01

give context of like, the

1:23:03

Palestinians have tried everything, and a lot of

1:23:05

the people who are taking up arms. I

1:23:08

mean, you can go on YouTube, and there are

1:23:10

a few channels of people, mostly on the West

1:23:12

Bank, of

1:23:14

people interviewing guys who

1:23:16

have joined some of the brigades in like

1:23:18

Janine or whatever, in the West Bank, and

1:23:21

it's a very common story. Right.

1:23:24

They killed my brother. Yeah. I was an

1:23:26

engineer, and they killed my brother, and

1:23:28

then they killed my aunt. Yeah.

1:23:31

How dare they? And also, you know, there's

1:23:34

a lot of crocodile tears too, because the fact of the matter

1:23:36

is, I've gone through the

1:23:38

numbers extensively on my show, but depending on which numbers

1:23:40

you believe, it's anywhere from 55% to 70% of the

1:23:42

people killed by Hamas on

1:23:45

October 7th were innocent civilians. And that's

1:23:48

horrible, that's condemnable, I'm with that all

1:23:50

the way. Israel killed 92% innocent

1:23:52

civilians. Right?

1:23:55

As a percentage, and it's higher as a raw number. So

1:23:58

look, you want to play the game where- We're

1:24:00

using labels you want to call Hamas terrorists. I'm right

1:24:02

there with you, but you also got to call the

1:24:04

IDF terrorists You also got to call the

1:24:06

IDF terrorists, correct? And they don't Know

1:24:09

nobody's giving me a good reaction to that when

1:24:11

I point that out. Yeah, it's nobody's like yeah

1:24:13

You're right the idea for terrorists. They go. Oh,

1:24:15

no the IDF didn't mean it and their intentions

1:24:17

are good It's like we're let's not do this.

1:24:19

So they're starving the entire population. Yes

1:24:23

Your intentions be good, but Hamas

1:24:26

That's my reaction. That's what you hear. Right? Hamas

1:24:29

I don't know if you saw this recently,

1:24:31

but I think Al Jazeera and other places

1:24:34

have done reporting on They're

1:24:37

using like these quad copters now

1:24:39

that are emitting sounds of either

1:24:41

like like Cries

1:24:43

of children. I saw them and screaming

1:24:46

So that people run out and help and then they kill

1:24:49

them they shoot I

1:24:51

got one more video For

1:24:54

you at your work. This is directly

1:24:56

related to the starvation as a weapon

1:24:58

of war and you're confronting senator Marco Rubio

1:25:00

Let's take a look at this one. Are

1:25:03

you willing to call on our Israeli allies

1:25:05

to open up the Borders

1:25:07

so that they let the aid in That

1:25:10

is the most efficient way the most quick and efficient

1:25:12

way The only way that they can do it is

1:25:14

they can they can ensure that none of that aid

1:25:17

That weapons and other things are being embedded

1:25:19

in the aid has been done consistently throughout

1:25:21

the years Someone figure out a way to

1:25:23

do that and maybe this the sport thing

1:25:25

is the way to do it I'm offering

1:25:28

the port is inefficient. They're they're measuring civilians.

1:25:30

They're starting the population of Hamas It's a

1:25:32

render cannot sir. You cannot it's not justified

1:25:34

You're taking the survive correct should surrender so

1:25:36

that the people there to stop suffering because

1:25:38

of them It's all right. This is not

1:25:41

true. It does not have a mock like

1:25:43

that on the weapons of fighting That does

1:25:45

not justify 32,000 dead and starvation of famine.

1:25:47

It's not just I know you are lying

1:25:49

right now. You're lying You're supporting genocide. So

1:25:51

you've got a whole plethora

1:25:54

of standard talking points there First of all

1:25:56

you here at the end. He's accusing you

1:25:58

of being pro Hamas won't

1:26:00

even let the aid in right even let the

1:26:02

aid in and he's You

1:26:05

know denying the reality of the death

1:26:07

toll which we all know is actually

1:26:09

much higher than the official numbers that are

1:26:11

coming out Because you know that oftentimes

1:26:13

doesn't count those who are lost in the

1:26:16

who are under the rubble those who are

1:26:18

lost and missing Etc. So God only knows

1:26:20

what the actual death number is at this

1:26:22

point and then you know to

1:26:25

your questions about Hey, well people are starving

1:26:27

to death like something be done

1:26:29

about that They just need to open the borders and you ask

1:26:31

them to do that. He's like well Hamas should just lay down

1:26:33

their arms Mm-hmm, so they're holding

1:26:35

the entire population hostage, correct?

1:26:39

To try to compel Hamas to

1:26:41

lay down their arms. Yeah, and it's

1:26:43

it's again It's an excuse that's used

1:26:46

to just continue what Israel

1:26:48

is doing to the population. It's all I

1:26:51

mean I joke with my friends

1:26:53

I mean if Hamas was

1:26:55

as Incredible and efficient and organization

1:26:57

as they make it out to

1:27:00

be that their propaganda like penetrates

1:27:02

to every media platform And

1:27:04

they've convinced the whole world and they've

1:27:07

infiltrated the UN and at times

1:27:09

Biden Camp

1:27:13

I'm like you would think

1:27:15

they would have freed Palestine at this point I Mean

1:27:22

everything is Hamas now or

1:27:25

Iran now, that's what they're switching to That's

1:27:27

so there's this zombie live floating around which

1:27:29

drives me crazy and and Rubio kind of

1:27:31

alluded to it there the idea that like

1:27:33

we Can't let the aid in because

1:27:35

the aid is getting stolen. It's going

1:27:37

on to Hamas and that's there's 30,000 Hamas members

1:27:41

There's 2.3 million or at least there were

1:27:43

2.3 million Palestinians in Gaza The

1:27:45

idea and I've heard this a million times. Oh

1:27:48

Hamas is stealing all the aid and that's the

1:27:50

real problem Practically logically

1:27:52

a whole of that aid cut 30,000 people 2.3

1:27:54

million in Gaza They

1:27:57

can't even even if they wanted to do that. Yeah

1:28:00

They can't hoard all that the part I liked

1:28:02

is he suggests like oh well They might be

1:28:04

like there might be weapons and that aid that

1:28:06

goes to Hamas so not aid is from us

1:28:09

Yeah, so like are we secretly shipping

1:28:11

weapons to mass? Is that a serious

1:28:13

concern of yours? I I? Haven't

1:28:16

seen any credible reporting on Hamas

1:28:18

infiltrating aid convoys. No thing of

1:28:21

I've I've I would I'd

1:28:23

love to be corrected But I've never seen it,

1:28:25

but we have seen the IDS Turning

1:28:27

around aid trucks early on in the 70%

1:28:29

of the aid trucks were being turned around because

1:28:32

what they would do is stop the truck

1:28:34

Unload everything which is a delay tactic by the

1:28:36

way They don't know what everything then if there's

1:28:39

one thing on the truck that they don't like

1:28:41

they turn it around and oftentimes What happened is

1:28:43

they would send in tents and

1:28:45

the tents would have to be created with these poles They

1:28:48

say those poles could theoretically hypothetically eventually may be

1:28:50

be used for weapons We're gonna turn the whole

1:28:52

truck around even if it's 95% food Turn

1:28:56

the whole thing around and they were blocking 70% of

1:28:58

aid and that's the old number then the

1:29:00

ICJ stepped in and said you Gotta allow

1:29:02

in all this then they didn't allow

1:29:04

in all of it, right? And it's like

1:29:07

they got more restrictive. Yeah And

1:29:09

so where are we now? We're watching a literal

1:29:12

Starvation campaign is what we have you

1:29:14

mentioned Iran the last thing I wanted

1:29:17

to get from you is you know

1:29:19

They're making a big push. So I

1:29:21

I very much think that the Israeli

1:29:23

escalation You know bombing Iran's embassy, which

1:29:26

is outrageous and then obviously Iran is

1:29:28

gonna retaliate And now we're talking about

1:29:30

Iran versus talking about the humanitarian suffering

1:29:32

in not if you're looking at mainstream

1:29:35

Media now, there's a big push to get

1:29:38

this massive Israel

1:29:40

Ukraine Taiwan foreign aid

1:29:43

package Do

1:29:46

you have any sense from your conversations

1:29:48

of how some of them were you

1:29:50

know the Democrats like Chris Van Hollen

1:29:52

For example who've been

1:29:55

rhetorically better. Yeah with

1:29:57

regards to Palestinians. Yeah, do you have any sense?

1:30:00

of how they're thinking about this giant aid

1:30:02

package they're trying to shove through? I

1:30:08

think, I mean, based

1:30:10

on my experiences with them and my

1:30:12

interactions and engaging with a lot of

1:30:14

their staffers and the representatives themselves or

1:30:17

the senators, we've

1:30:20

like this current package, which by

1:30:22

the way, increased the money

1:30:25

sent to Israel, it's now $26.38 billion, I

1:30:29

think the initial number, what passed through the Senate

1:30:31

was 14, then they

1:30:34

wanted to propose one that had 18, and

1:30:36

now we're at 26. So it keeps

1:30:38

increasing. And

1:30:41

I think this is

1:30:44

a testament to like the flawed nature of

1:30:46

our Congress and like the way bills are

1:30:48

passed and structured even.

1:30:50

One of

1:30:52

the biggest things, one of

1:30:54

the biggest pieces of pushback we've had when

1:30:57

we've talked to staffers is, but

1:30:59

what about Ukraine? And

1:31:02

I think I'm trying to remember Jim

1:31:04

Costa is his name. He's a congressman

1:31:06

from California. He one

1:31:08

time, like I was telling him,

1:31:10

you know, we were talking about

1:31:12

the, you know, there's over like

1:31:15

13,000 kids dead and

1:31:18

please like no more weapons to Israel

1:31:20

until they stop their massacres. And

1:31:22

he got very weirdly like

1:31:24

defensive and aggressive and like got up

1:31:27

right in my face and said, what

1:31:29

about the kids in Ukraine? And I

1:31:32

was like, I didn't say anything about the kids

1:31:34

in Ukraine. I'm just telling you, like you guys

1:31:36

are putting it together. Not me. Yeah. Like he

1:31:38

got up in my face saying like, what about

1:31:40

the kids in Ukraine? I'm like, I didn't say

1:31:43

a word about Ukraine. I'm telling you here, I'm

1:31:45

Palestinian American. There's any more weapons

1:31:47

to this nation of Israel is going

1:31:49

to go towards killing more of my

1:31:51

family and children and Gaza and their

1:31:54

defense. I mean, that's an extreme example,

1:31:56

but I've had like James McGovern, for

1:31:58

example, that's a good. We spoke

1:32:00

for a lengthy period of time

1:32:03

with James McGovern himself, who's

1:32:06

supposedly progressive, and his voting record

1:32:08

in terms of, he voted

1:32:10

against the, did he, I

1:32:12

think he voted against the Unurwa defunding. So

1:32:15

he was against Unurwa

1:32:17

being defunded. He voted,

1:32:19

he has a pretty decent voting

1:32:22

record, all things considered. And his rhetoric

1:32:24

about Palestine is, relative to

1:32:26

most people in Congress, pretty good. When

1:32:30

we talk to him about just

1:32:33

a hard line, because with Code Pink,

1:32:36

we have a list of people who

1:32:38

just hard no to any

1:32:40

weapons to Israel, no matter

1:32:43

how it's packaged. And when we

1:32:45

tried to get him on that, he said, look, if

1:32:47

something comes in and it also has aid

1:32:50

for Ukraine, I'm gonna have to vote

1:32:52

for it. And so it's

1:32:55

almost like our government holding, like

1:32:58

weirdly holding themselves, but also us

1:33:01

as the people they're supposed to

1:33:03

represent, hostage as

1:33:05

like, well, if you don't want this,

1:33:07

too bad, because we gotta do this.

1:33:09

And it's like, that's not

1:33:11

how it should be. I had read that

1:33:13

Johnson was splitting the two to one Israel

1:33:15

vote, one Ukraine vote. That's what we thought

1:33:17

too. That's what you thought too. I mean,

1:33:19

this stuff changes by the hour. I'm

1:33:22

on Punchbowl News like all the time, like trying

1:33:24

to figure out what's going on. So the thing

1:33:27

that passed the Senate was everything

1:33:29

together. Through the House, they

1:33:31

couldn't make that work because you have too

1:33:33

many Republicans who don't want the Ukraine aid,

1:33:36

and then you have some number of Democrats who

1:33:38

don't want the Israel aid. But

1:33:41

you have a majority in the House that

1:33:43

would vote for Ukraine. You've

1:33:45

got a number of Republicans and Democrats, all the Democrats

1:33:47

vote for the Ukraine aid. And then

1:33:49

if you take all the Republicans and the remaining Democrats

1:33:51

vote for the Israel aid, then that will get through.

1:33:53

And then they've also got the Taiwan one, and then

1:33:55

they've got this banned TikTok and whatever the hell else

1:33:57

is in the Forte Belt. If that gets in there. So

1:34:01

they're planning to pass all

1:34:03

four of them separately and

1:34:05

then put them all together, basically,

1:34:08

like in conference with the Senate is

1:34:10

my understanding. And so it's

1:34:12

kind of a legislative trick to be able to

1:34:14

get this through. And also it

1:34:17

requires Democrats to vote along with the

1:34:19

Republicans on what's called the rules package.

1:34:21

I mean, this is all very technical

1:34:23

and whatever, but that's a break with

1:34:25

what is normally done procedurally.

1:34:28

Usually the Democrats don't help the Republicans

1:34:30

in terms of getting those rules packages

1:34:32

through. But when it comes to sending

1:34:35

our tax dollars to bomb babies,

1:34:38

well, then they're going to do what they need to

1:34:40

do. Foreign wars are

1:34:42

the most like bipartisan agreement you

1:34:45

will see. And it's actually

1:34:47

I'm glad you mentioned that because a

1:34:50

lot of the we go to a

1:34:52

lot of hearings either to like I

1:34:54

mean, our focus is Palestine and Gaza. And

1:34:56

but we go to a lot of hearings

1:34:58

that are to do with like not

1:35:02

now a lot like they had a lot this week about

1:35:04

Iran. And it's I've

1:35:07

gotten to see like just how

1:35:09

scary our Congress is because some

1:35:11

of those hearings like,

1:35:13

for example, yesterday there was the anti-Semitism

1:35:15

hearing, the third one. That

1:35:17

had a lot of media coverage and people knew

1:35:19

of it. And like I was

1:35:21

with a group of students from Colombia who wanted

1:35:26

to go there and talk about like

1:35:28

what went down in Colombia and suppression

1:35:30

of Palestinians and the chemical

1:35:33

incident 89, 90 days ago now. But

1:35:37

then we went to this other hearing that was barely

1:35:40

attended, no media. And

1:35:42

the whole hearing was I think the witnesses

1:35:45

were all just like people from the State

1:35:47

Department or Department of Defense

1:35:49

and like Assistant Secretary, whoever

1:35:51

the heck. And

1:35:54

it's just like this, like Democrats and Republicans

1:35:57

are all like they were like laughing

1:35:59

with the other like I'm so glad

1:36:01

we have this bipartisan agreement that like

1:36:03

Iran is horrible and we need to

1:36:06

like do whatever we can

1:36:08

to sanction them and it was just like wow

1:36:11

this is the terrifying core of

1:36:13

our Congress just like these sincerely

1:36:16

boring hearings of just like

1:36:19

war mongers like the whole thing was

1:36:22

like a war mongering and

1:36:25

they're also fucking idiots they also don't know

1:36:27

anything oh yeah I mean

1:36:29

could you imagine they're quite the history of

1:36:31

Iran from one of those like go ahead

1:36:33

tell me about tell me about the 1979

1:36:35

revolution tell me about

1:36:38

that about the Shah yeah tell me about

1:36:40

Muhammad Mosaddegh like these people they probably don't

1:36:42

know anything about any of that Mike

1:36:44

Johnson just rolled back out the

1:36:47

axis of evil terminology good stuff

1:36:51

right it's it's unreal

1:36:53

but I mean God bless you

1:36:55

for being in there this point about the Iran

1:37:00

thing about just like how incompetent there

1:37:02

they are this is also this

1:37:04

I think his name is Scott McCormick the

1:37:08

the Georgia congressman we have

1:37:10

like one of our conversations with

1:37:12

him was a few days ago we never

1:37:15

put this up because we're like this guy is just

1:37:17

like this is not even worth our effort to put

1:37:19

up he we asked

1:37:22

him about like as usual

1:37:24

his thoughts about sending more weapons to Israel he

1:37:27

says his whole thing now

1:37:29

is like just like Iran is a bad actor

1:37:32

and my friend

1:37:35

Julia who's in a lot of the videos she's

1:37:38

the quiet like faces of our

1:37:40

movement she asks him this very

1:37:43

valid question of like but you're

1:37:45

aware that they like hit the

1:37:47

embassy in Damascus killing like a

1:37:50

general a high-level general and like

1:37:52

these other members of their of

1:37:54

the IRGC and he like

1:37:57

squints and he's like yeah

1:38:00

You know I'm not so sure like

1:38:02

I like they hit them in

1:38:04

Syria. I'm like yes My

1:38:06

god, and he like looks at us, and

1:38:08

he's like you know like I don't

1:38:11

I don't get into all that They need to figure

1:38:13

that out, but I'll tell you what I know Iran's a

1:38:15

bad actor Literally

1:38:19

like Julia and I are like laughing like

1:38:22

while talking to him cuz we're like dude. Are you

1:38:24

serious? You should maybe post that I

1:38:27

don't want

1:38:30

to give him any like my honestly. I

1:38:32

would have predicted that I would have predicted

1:38:34

that Every

1:38:36

everybody would pretend yeah like

1:38:39

Iran was acting aggressively even

1:38:41

though they 100%

1:38:44

did not yeah that Israel attacked first Unprovoked

1:38:48

attack Can you imagine what

1:38:50

we would do if our embassy? Some of our

1:38:52

top military Game over you know

1:38:54

John Kirby or whoever got taken out and Deloitte

1:38:57

Austin can you imagine whoever did it? Enjoy

1:38:59

your coup enjoy As

1:39:03

we always say Israel is the king Joffrey

1:39:05

of countries. Yeah, they are massive massive cry

1:39:07

bullies That's what they are Tell

1:39:10

everybody where they can find you your social

1:39:12

media accounts all that of course my main

1:39:14

social media account is on Instagram It's

1:39:17

at Taz SDC. It's at

1:39:19

T-A-Z SDC

1:39:23

I would also suggest you follow at Code

1:39:25

Pink Alert I'm

1:39:27

with them every day in Congress

1:39:31

we Confront Congress

1:39:33

people senators as you saw in some of the

1:39:36

videos here We

1:39:38

do a lot of disruptions. We disrupted Lloyd

1:39:40

Austin yesterday as well as last week Talk

1:39:44

about heartless sort of

1:39:46

robotic people And

1:39:49

Yeah, that's that's sort of the main thing you got

1:39:51

to let us know if there's

1:39:53

an uptick of anybody coming because we had Medea

1:39:55

on last week, and we posted a clip telling

1:39:58

people to meet you guys wherever you guys meet

1:40:00

What is it 10 a.m. Rayburn 10

1:40:02

a.m. Rayburn cafeteria Monday through Friday

1:40:05

every week So if you want to help stop genocide

1:40:07

you can go and hang out with Brian I

1:40:11

will say I just to add

1:40:13

to that people like Because

1:40:15

we've told people that before and there's still

1:40:17

the sort of fear of like you can

1:40:19

just walk in and it's literally that Simple

1:40:22

you just walk in there's very basic security

1:40:24

You put your things through the thing go

1:40:26

through a metal detector and you are in

1:40:28

and then we can really confront our

1:40:31

representative Yeah, you're doing God's work You

1:40:34

can just ask the you know security up front.

1:40:36

Where's the cafeteria? Yeah, very helpful So