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Well,

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what is this?

1:17

Welcome

1:23

to the Lady Gang. That's a new thing. Say

1:26

that again. The Lady Gang. Things are

1:28

about to change around here. Each

1:30

week, we catch up with Hollywood's

1:31

hottest girl posse, Kelty Knight,

1:34

Becca Tobin, and Jack Vanik.

1:39

Hello, hello, hello. Welcome to the Lady Gang. I am Becca

1:41

Tobin here with Jack Vanik and Kelty Knight. Hello.

1:44

Oh my god. Wow, guys. We

1:47

do not have that much energy. That was forced. Friend,

1:49

that was really forced. It's wonderful. For me. Well,

1:52

not for me. I naturally feel high as a kite.

1:55

Really?

1:56

How are your energy levels lately? Very terrible.

1:58

Yeah? It'd be okay. I'm improving

2:01

you keep it together. Yeah, you're good. You're

2:04

spray tan feet are not keeping it together I'll

2:06

tell you that right honestly could be worse Jack.

2:08

I don't understand I apply sunless

2:11

tanner once a year and my application

2:13

is still better than that you literally do

2:15

a weekly you go to a person This

2:17

is this is self done clear you need to

2:19

buff that out You

2:22

know I never think about it when I'm doing it, but yes,

2:24

I know I just like kind of like push

2:26

it down and which obviously it gives me the

2:28

sock You have to go all the way down

2:30

to the top But you just have to let it like

2:32

blend and like Taper

2:34

it out nobody seeing my feet except

2:37

everybody's right now for summer

2:39

everybody on your fingers Calm that's

2:42

gonna be you just gave us free content.

2:44

It's a preview You better get this

2:46

before you're wearing white for a week. I know

2:48

wait

2:50

This is not related, but like can you do just

2:52

feet on only fans or does it have to be sexual?

2:54

Yeah, you can just do feet for sure should

2:57

I get an only fans? I

2:59

don't think so. I don't I think it's

3:01

a slippery slope. I think

3:04

if you need it. Here's the thing

3:06

It's like anything Risk

3:09

first reward yeah, you know if you do if

3:11

you need the money and this is a

3:13

way for you to make it No harm no

3:15

foul, but you don't need you have

3:17

a job Jack You've actually a couple jobs,

3:20

so I don't know why we're acting as if you

3:22

are need the foot money are

3:23

like about to be Yeah,

3:26

you know all right on tough times

3:29

over. She's anxious for the wedding the wedding finances

3:31

get us messy I mean, it's just big chunks

3:34

of money leaving yeah, you know yeah,

3:36

I'm not used to show It's

3:38

energetic money is just energy. Yeah

3:40

easy come easy go. That's true That's what I've been trying to

3:43

think I'm gonna get stressed. I'm like don't think about it.

3:45

No It's like what you can't

3:47

even see it. Yeah, I'm feeling money is

3:49

not real anyway It's not real and honestly I'm not

3:51

having children and these nieces and nephews

3:53

are not

3:53

being that nice to me So I'm probably

3:56

gonna like just spend all my money and not make them shit

3:58

do it. You should do that anyway You should.

4:00

The beauty of not having children is you can blow your money.

4:03

That's right. Bye. Go travel everywhere.

4:05

See ya. See ya, okay. Well,

4:08

on that note, it's time for.

4:09

Good week. Yes it

4:11

is. Bad week. Oh no. Since

4:15

we are all demons who only talk about

4:17

vapid things, every once in a while something

4:19

really major happens in the Ladygan community

4:22

and we realize that

4:24

we are incredible human

4:26

beings. We're such good people. Best. Top

4:29

notch. I can see ya.

4:31

Hello, hello, hello.

4:32

Yep, there you go. No, in

4:35

all honesty, something happened in the Ladygane

4:37

that I was sitting, getting my

4:39

nails done. See, I got a sprinkle in the vapid

4:42

things for you. And I got a message

4:44

from

4:45

beautiful Alex who works for us and

4:48

she was flagging some stuff going on in

4:50

the Facebook group. And it was

4:52

a conversation being had with a

4:54

new mom who was kind of just reaching

4:57

out to get some support

4:59

in her struggles with being a new

5:01

mom, which let me tell ya, they're real.

5:03

Yeah. And

5:06

it was really just her

5:09

reaching out and being like, guys, this is going

5:11

on, things are hard.

5:14

And everybody was jumping in being like, it's

5:16

gonna get better and this is just

5:18

really hard right now and you have to know that

5:21

there's a light at the end of the tunnel. And all

5:23

these beautiful messages from the Ladygane

5:25

community. And I'm like, that's wonderful, but words

5:27

are words and sometimes we wanna do more than

5:30

just support one another with words.

5:32

And so the

5:34

three of us came together and we

5:36

decided that we thought that

5:38

this woman sounded like she would benefit

5:40

greatly from some talk therapy. And

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we turned to BetterHelp, our sponsor,

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for many, many, many years and

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asked them if they would be willing to

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collaborate with us in gifting some

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therapy sessions to this beautiful family.

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And within seconds,

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It was crazy. It was crazy. It

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was crazy. Within seconds,

6:04

they responded, resounding,

6:07

absolutely, tell us how we can help, tell

6:10

us how we can jump in. What do you need? What

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do you need? What do you need?

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So, I just, it's a testament to this community

6:17

because everybody was so active

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in this conversation that it came to our attention.

6:22

And then a testament to our wonderful sponsors and

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our sales team who made the connection and

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were willing to make this ask for us.

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But it's also just a PSA because

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while it can be so

6:35

dark in those first months,

6:38

first years of having a new baby,

6:40

there is some

6:42

beauty that comes from it. And

6:45

I'm just so grateful that we were

6:47

able to do this for her. Yeah.

6:49

It was so amazing. It's a real good

6:51

week. And of course, this podcast is sponsored

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by BetterHelp. And so, we're so excited.

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We got to work with them on this. And they went above and beyond.

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So, way above and beyond. And our community

7:00

is just the best. What's your bad week? My bad

7:03

week is actually in honor of that

7:05

conversation. I was posting

7:08

on Instagram about some trials

7:10

and tribulations of being a new mom and juggling,

7:12

being away from him and being sad and having a lot of guilt

7:15

and just feeling all the things. And

7:17

then a mutual friend of Kelty and I's,

7:19

Emily, she wrote

7:22

me in a DM. She's like, you've got this.

7:24

Motherhood is a blessing and a bitch.

7:27

And I was like, God, that is

7:30

the absolute truth. I'm

7:32

like, it is the biggest blessing.

7:35

It's the greatest thing ever, but there's

7:38

nothing convenient about it. There's nothing

7:40

easy about it. It is a bitch. A

7:43

bitch is a really good

7:43

way to describe it, I'm assuming. It

7:46

was so good. And I just was like, I have to say

7:48

this on the podcast because it is freaking true.

7:52

I have to say Ford is

7:54

getting cuter by the second. Thank

7:56

you. Like Jared and I, every

7:58

time you're Zach Post.

7:59

picture because you know it's few and far between. Oh

8:02

yeah, it's cool. You don't get much content. So anytime

8:04

we like watch the videos together,

8:06

we're like, look how much he looks like Becca.

8:09

Look at the little cheeks. He's real cute. He's

8:11

definitely making some

8:13

improvements in the looks department

8:15

because he was not necessarily-

8:18

He's always been cute. He's always been adorable.

8:21

No, this is what happens when you're a mom. You

8:23

don't realize until it's later, like it's

8:25

hindsight where you look back at pictures where you're

8:27

like, I posted that because I thought he looked cute

8:30

and he didn't look cute. Like

8:32

it's like how I felt about myself in

8:34

my twenties. Like now when I look back,

8:36

I mean, every baby's cute, blah, blah, blah. Shut

8:38

up everybody. Shut up. But some

8:41

of them have their moments and I'm happy to report that now

8:43

he's hitting a stride with

8:45

his, he has this weird like Kentucky

8:48

waterfall mullet thing happening with his hair.

8:51

He's got a lot of it. The back of it's

8:53

curling from the humidity in Texas. His

8:55

eyes are staying like so light. I have

8:57

no idea how this is happening. Zach

9:00

has really dark eyes. I have like pretty

9:02

bland looking eyes. Zach have

9:04

brown eyes? I wouldn't describe your eyes as a

9:06

bland looking eye. No, you have like bright blue eyes. No,

9:08

they're great. They're like a greenish like- Oh,

9:11

whatever. They're color green. Well, they're

9:13

not buttholes. They're dark. No, dirt is brown

9:15

like the color of my eyes. No, but

9:17

anyways, he's really getting, he's

9:20

really getting cute. Oh, I can't.

9:22

He's just- I need to see him again. Jared

9:25

and I talk about him so much, but I'm like the last time

9:27

I met him, he was the blob. Like he wasn't

9:30

even a person. He's very manipulative though

9:32

because

9:32

now he knows that I like mouth kisses and

9:34

so when he gets something he likes or if I'm wearing

9:37

something exciting, like I was wearing colored beaded

9:39

necklaces the other day and he comes over

9:41

to me and he starts playing with them and playing with them

9:43

and then he makes the connection that I'm wearing them

9:46

and he looks at me and he plants a kiss on my

9:48

mouth. I love him because he's

9:50

like approving of my look. Yeah.

9:53

Oh no. He played with a light switch that he wasn't supposed

9:55

to and he plays with it and then he looked at me and he kissed

9:57

me on the mouth because he knew that if he did that I'd let him stay

9:59

long.

9:59

Shut up. Yeah. Wait,

10:02

I love this. I love this so much. This

10:04

goes into my good week. Great. Please.

10:07

Okay, great. So Carmella, Christina's daughter, is

10:09

five, and she's like

10:11

going on 17. And

10:14

I just like have not had a lot of children in

10:16

my life that I've been like really close with. Yeah.

10:20

And Carmella is like my girl. Like I go over all the time. We

10:22

live 10 minutes away. So nice. And

10:24

like my good week is that like Carmella opens

10:27

like, you know, like she was a baby for a

10:29

long time. So I open there. Hi, it's Auntie

10:31

Kelty. Like I want to explain who I am. So she doesn't like scared or whatever.

10:34

She opens the door and she goes, Oh my God, you'll

10:36

never believe what happened today.

10:37

Oh my God. And her little leggies,

10:39

she's got like a little science tunic on. And

10:42

she's like, and then she like walks, like she just opens

10:44

the door and she's like, Hey, you'll never believe

10:46

what happened today. And like just walks me in like Christina

10:49

would, you know? And then she's just talking

10:51

to me and I'm like, Oh my God, how's school? Like

10:53

you're going to a birthday party. Is your boyfriend going to be there? And she's

10:56

like, which one? And

10:58

she's like, Oh no, no, no, no. Because

11:00

I was like the guy at your birthday party that you were except. She's like,

11:03

no, that's over. Oh my God. She's going to

11:05

be a terror. I love it. A little Christina.

11:07

She got a little stripe in her hair. Like Christina.

11:09

She's so cute anyway. So that's my, that's my

11:11

good week. Um, bad week is that I'm an

11:13

idiot. Mm hmm. Do

11:16

you guys remember when we had the guy free everything

11:18

on Lady Gang TV? I was like, flavor

11:20

town is your place or whatever. Yeah, I just posted

11:22

it because I just found it again. So amazing. I

11:25

feel like so genuine. Is it a place? Can

11:27

we go there? Can we go there? No, it lives inside

11:30

you. So my half sister lives

11:32

inside you, my half sister and her husband were here from

11:34

London and the whole

11:37

time he was like, yeah, like there

11:39

was this word that Dan was using and he's like,

11:41

Oh yeah, that guy's a total hair farmer. And I

11:43

was like, Oh, and then I'm just like, interesting.

11:46

And then, and then I was thinking of like, what is a

11:48

hair farmer? And I'm like, okay, so we're from Alberta,

11:51

like, Oh, so it's like a farmer, but

11:53

like, maybe it's a new like chic kind of farmer

11:55

that has like, you know, long hair, but they're a farmer,

11:57

like not an old school farmer.

11:59

And then he's showing

12:02

me this, he's like, no, no, no, like a bit, he shows

12:04

me this band, I'm like, oh, it's a band, like the hair

12:06

farmers, like I get that. And

12:08

then I was like, what's the hair farmer? He's like, you

12:10

know, a guy with long hair. Farming hair.

12:13

And I was like, it's Jerry! It's Jerry!

12:15

It's a hair farmer! Jerry the hair farmer.

12:17

You are

12:17

a hair farmer. I felt like,

12:19

oh, you've called that before.

12:21

You have, oh. Oh, that must be bro talk.

12:23

You have to buy another guy. So there's a real hair farmer.

12:25

Oh, there's no way a woman would use that term. No

12:27

way. No way. Anyway, Jack.

12:30

Okay, so mine is a new word for the dictionary.

12:33

Now, I don't know if we've used this before, but

12:35

I re-saw it and I was like, it's worth talking

12:37

about again. I prove, I prove. And it's sexual sorbet,

12:40

which is a sexual encounter designed to cleanse

12:42

the proverbial palette before entering a new

12:44

relationship. Oh, that's good. Like everybody

12:47

needs a sexual sorbet. It's like a kiwi

12:49

watermelon on a hot summer day. Yeah. Yeah.

12:52

It's a sexier way to say rebound. Exactly.

12:55

You need like a good rebound. And like- It's

12:57

like

12:57

a douche for your douche canoe. They're always douchey.

13:01

A sexual sorbet can't be like a good guy. No,

13:03

it can't be someone you're falling in love with. No, it's like the

13:05

douche, the hottest doucheous loser.

13:07

Yes. Sexual sorbet. I thought that

13:09

was good. I wonder if we've been anyone's sexual

13:12

sorbet. I don't think men feel the need to cleanse

13:14

their palette sexually though. No, they're always like

13:16

more and more. I've definitely been

13:19

someone's like, I'm using this girl for sex. Yeah.

13:22

Well, yeah. I mean, most of my life. Yeah.

13:24

And my marriage, you know. Same.

13:27

That's where I'm like, are you just in this for

13:29

sex? You don't really like me. You couldn't

13:31

possibly. And then his answer is something like, wouldn't I be

13:33

having to have sex to be using

13:36

you? You're

13:38

like, I do that. There's a lot. I'm like, all you care about

13:40

is the sex. We have sex forever.

13:43

He's like, I think I got a shitty deal.

13:47

I'd put up with all this for that amount of sex.

13:49

For what? No. The

13:54

way that we think so highly of ourselves. Okay. My

13:57

bad

13:57

week. Okay. Remember how I

14:00

was talking about my face, the Facebook group

14:02

and selling the stuff on Facebook, or not selling the stuff,

14:04

but leaving it out. We'll try to sell it. So

14:07

I posted it on Instagram

14:10

and then I'm scrolling Facebook

14:12

and then all of a sudden I see my

14:14

post talking about the Facebook group in

14:17

our Facebook group. What? Some person

14:20

had a randomly seen it on Instagram

14:23

and posted it into our Facebook

14:25

group. No, my apartment complex

14:28

is Facebook group

14:29

and they're like, oh my God, ha ha ha. This

14:31

happens here so much. She

14:33

didn't know that I lived at the

14:36

apartment that she was talking about.

14:38

Wait, I need you to hold on. Wasn't the

14:40

Facebook group for the lady gang? Talk

14:42

to me step by step. Step one. Okay.

14:45

I was talking about how in our apartment complex,

14:48

people leave shit out and they try to sell

14:50

like shitty stuff on Instagram. You were doing this

14:53

on the podcast. Okay. Yes. I

14:56

remember this. people

14:59

try to like sell shitty things. Yes. Yes.

15:02

I posted the clip on my own Instagram. Oh, okay.

15:04

My clip on Instagram got shared into

15:06

our apartment complexes, Facebook, which

15:09

is not knowing that I lived there.

15:11

So the girl follows you on Instagram. Obviously

15:13

she doesn't even follow me. She just randomly saw

15:15

it on Instagram. It must've been like, this happens all

15:17

the time in ours, but you actually live there.

15:20

Yeah. That one. Does

15:22

anybody make the connection? She lives in this apartment. No,

15:24

but I commented on it being like, that's me. Shut

15:27

up. And now she just tries

15:30

to reply to me all the time on Instagram, but

15:32

new friends. Yeah. I was like, this

15:34

is the most meta shit

15:34

in the entire world. Like she had no idea who I was.

15:36

We didn't know I lived there just randomly.

15:39

And I'm like, well, at least I'm not the only one that thinks

15:41

this. There you go. Crazy.

15:44

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Now back to the lady gang. Our

20:13

guest today is here to help our hormones

20:15

baby. She's a functional nutritionist, hormone

20:18

expert, author and founder of the Flow Living Hormone

20:20

Center. Her work is based on the idea that hormonal

20:23

imbalances can be corrected through diet, lifestyle

20:25

changes and natural remedies. She's the

20:27

author of a bunch of books, but if you haven't

20:29

read Women Code, it is life

20:32

changing. I think Becca talked about it two years ago

20:34

in the podcast, whenever it came out and then I read it and then

20:36

Jack read it and then, I mean, it is, Woman

20:39

Code, perfect your cycle, amplify your fertility, supercharge

20:41

your sex drive, become a power source is

20:44

life changing. She's

20:46

featured in various media outlets including the New York

20:48

Times, Forbes, Mind Body Green and You're About

20:50

to Have Your Life Change Forever. Hormones

20:52

is one of our most popular topics on

20:54

lady gang and I'm so excited to welcome

20:56

her to the podcast. We finally got her, we've been trying

20:59

for so long. Alisa V.D.,

21:01

welcome to the podcast. Wow, thank

21:03

you, so excited to be here. Such

21:06

a fan of the lady gang.

21:08

Thank you. Also, we have a lot

21:11

of girls in the community reading your most

21:13

recent book

21:14

in the Flow. There's a lot of conversations

21:16

on the Facebook group all about it. So, and

21:19

the app and all the fun things. We were just discussing

21:21

the app before you came on. And

21:24

you have become a cyber

21:27

phenomenon when it comes to talking about periods

21:29

and we follow so many girls that post,

21:32

it's my luteal phase, this is my workout

21:34

today. So thank you in

21:37

advance for all of that work that you're

21:39

doing for all of us. Thank you.

21:42

It's been a journey and it's fun.

21:44

And I'm really happy that we are normalizing

21:47

a conversation that basically says,

21:49

hey, we have to include female hormones in the

21:51

mix here. Otherwise, women can't be

21:54

their healthiest self. And that's kind of how

21:56

we've been operating up until now is we've

21:59

been kind of keeping that. them siloed keeping them

22:01

in the box keeping them like we only think

22:03

about our hormones once a month

22:05

or when

22:06

we're trying to get pregnant or during

22:08

menopause that really your hormones are happening every

22:11

day so if your self care plan isn't

22:14

factoring them in you just can't be healthy

22:16

in the way that you're designed to be what

22:19

I'd like to think is what we're doing is just normalizing

22:21

this every day hormonal care kind of conversation.

22:24

I read woman code and I was like gobsmacked

22:27

and then I'm a boojower and so

22:30

I know I whole flow

22:32

chart and like had all the color codes

22:34

that I was basically I was doing up on paper because I'm

22:37

a writer and I

22:39

gave up in looks like December

22:41

before the new year even started I'm still just tracking

22:43

my period

22:44

because I'm overwhelmed

22:46

and I feel like that's why I need the app so but I want

22:48

you to explain if you can explain the men's

22:51

like the 4 phases that

22:53

you've you you really are the mastermind

22:55

behind us knowing about this can you just

22:57

like give basic, you know start

23:00

us there and then we'll go into the high end thought the

23:02

idiots guide. Yeah,

23:05

I also want to just say no one should feel badly

23:08

that they don't know this stuff because

23:10

I mean I've taught everywhere I've had

23:12

your doctors I was so for example

23:15

when I give workshops I always ask hey can

23:17

anybody come up and draw me the chart

23:19

of the menstrual cycle hormones.

23:22

No one can ever do it. Wow

23:24

and one time I asked that question there just happened to be

23:26

an ER doctor in the in the audience

23:29

and she rose raised her hand and she was like hey

23:31

you know I just want to state for the record here

23:33

that

23:34

I'm a doctor I can't even

23:36

come up and do this. So if I

23:38

can't do this how's anybody else was to this event. I

23:40

thought that was a really powerful moment. I really appreciated

23:43

her sharing that because

23:45

it's not because we're not

23:47

smart that we don't know it's because we're not

23:49

taught any of this information and that's why we

23:51

don't know once you know it you can't unring the

23:54

bell that's what everybody likes to say it like once I read

23:56

your book or once I understand that

23:58

there's now it's just your new. playing

24:00

field. So here's how it works. You've got the cycle.

24:03

It lasts approximately a month. There's

24:05

a range. There's no perfect day. 28

24:08

days is just this

24:10

average amount of days,

24:12

but you can have

24:13

a range that's anywhere between 26

24:16

and 32 days, as long as it's consistent

24:19

for you. And every month it's the same 26 days

24:21

or 30 days or whatever it is. Is

24:24

it bad if it's not? Yeah,

24:27

if it's very, if it's sort of like

24:29

sometimes it's 32 days, sometimes

24:31

it's 24 days, then we start

24:33

to say, okay, there's some hormonal imbalance

24:35

at play here that's beyond

24:38

the average, you know, you just having a special unique

24:40

fingerprint of how frequent your cycle

24:42

is. So then in the cycle,

24:45

you have four distinct phases, right?

24:47

You have the follicular phase, which is where

24:50

the little tiny eggs are developing on the

24:52

ovary and you have low levels of

24:54

hormones, but a slight increase in estrogen

24:56

taking place. Then you have the

24:58

big

25:00

party moment of the cycle,

25:02

which is ovulation. This is when the egg

25:04

breaks free from the ovary. You

25:06

have a super surge of estrogen

25:08

at

25:09

this time and

25:12

everything is feeling the way it feels for that

25:14

three or four day period of time.

25:16

Then you have the luteal phase, which

25:19

is the longest phase of the cycle,

25:21

eight to 12, sorry, 10 to 12

25:23

days of the cycle.

25:25

This phase of the cycle is when we have

25:27

the introduction of a hormone called progesterone

25:30

and we should have it be in more

25:33

greater concentration than estrogen.

25:35

And

25:36

when you have enough progesterone

25:39

versus estrogen, you build a nice

25:41

thick lining to your uterus, it

25:44

stays in place for the right amount of time

25:46

and you have no symptoms

25:50

at all of PMS of

25:52

anything.

25:53

You have just feeling great. In fact,

25:56

the progesterone and we can get into all the effects of these

25:58

hormones on our brain chemistry, but that's a good thing. progesterone

26:00

is my favorite hormone because it

26:02

just makes you calm, clear, and focused.

26:05

But if you don't feel calm, clear, and focused, you don't

26:07

have enough progesterone, which is a lot of what

26:09

women are experiencing. If you have any PMS, for example,

26:12

instead of having that golden ratio

26:14

of more progesterone to estrogen, you

26:16

have the inverse. You have way too much

26:18

estrogen and not enough progesterone, and

26:20

you feel frazzled,

26:22

irritable, all the PMS kind of things. Have

26:26

you met this woman? Have you met

26:28

a woman that has no PMS symptoms?

26:31

Yeah. I like this. Is this is the corner? We're

26:33

looking at her. A, A, I. Is it

26:35

you? A, B, all the women who

26:38

start using the cycle syncing method that

26:40

I created and that deal with their

26:42

hormones, then yes, you can eat

26:44

your way out of this improper

26:47

hormone balance. Wow. Hormones

26:49

are made. I was just on a deadline for another

26:51

media article.

26:53

Hormones are made from the

26:55

food that you eat. There's two categories

26:58

of hormones. They're amino acid-based

27:00

hormones and lipid-based hormones,

27:02

which are sex hormones. They're steroid hormones.

27:05

That's estrogen, testosterone, progesterone, cortisol.

27:08

Those are the fat lipid-based ones, steroids.

27:10

Then you have all the amino acid hormones.

27:13

Where do you get amino acids and fats?

27:15

Not from the clear blue sky, from the food that

27:17

you eat. The idea that we think

27:19

that hormones

27:21

are mysterious, confusing,

27:23

need medication to

27:26

work properly is really just,

27:28

again, I would say a lack of understanding

27:31

of how these things work and how things

27:33

are made in the body. They're manufactured from the micronutrients

27:36

that you extract from the food you eat. Period.

27:38

Pun intended. This is really great. I just want to

27:40

say to our listeners, we had an amino

27:43

acid expert, which just seems very intense,

27:46

but we had someone explain amino acids

27:48

to us a few weeks ago. Go listen to that episode,

27:50

because

27:51

what Elise is saying here

27:54

obviously has to do with this. It's like there's

27:56

stuff that can't be made in your body.

27:58

You have to bring it in through food.

27:59

keep going this is amazing. So that's the little

28:02

phase then you have the bleeding

28:04

phase which I like to I like to call

28:07

the bleeding phase because I find that there's

28:09

us.

28:11

It's part and parcel of the confusion

28:13

that we feel around our hormones that there's not

28:15

precision with our vocabulary when

28:17

we reference this like for example.

28:20

The word cycle we use euphemisms

28:24

to reference bleeding we say it's our cycle,

28:27

it's the menstrual cycle, it's menstruation

28:30

and you can say men's these men's these

28:32

would also be the correct term

28:34

for bleeding.

28:35

But then you know, let's call the cycle the whole month

28:38

as opposed to on my cycle, no you're on your cycle

28:40

every day you're menstruating

28:42

and that's when the lining of the Uter says shed because

28:45

all the hormones have now reached

28:47

their lowest point and

28:49

that triggers the the lining to be shed

28:51

this lining by the way.

28:53

I just want to point out

28:55

is also something that is very micronutrient

28:59

heavy in terms of its requirements because

29:01

you are 3 D printing

29:03

through the process of this hormonal pattern

29:06

that takes place over this special menstrual

29:08

cycle. You're 3 D printing

29:10

this very specialized organ

29:13

every single month.

29:16

It has endocrine function

29:18

it has immune function it

29:20

is so special so it's not this like

29:22

you know and always bothers me when I read it in the

29:24

text like oh and then you know when there isn't

29:26

a pregnancy this this lining is just

29:28

shed like it's like an old shoe or something you

29:30

pull out of a shoe box like we don't need this paper

29:33

for the ship.

29:34

No, it's a it's this hugely specialized

29:37

organ there are companies now that are like figuring

29:39

out how they can harvest with stem cells from placenta

29:42

to like you know promote longevity

29:45

proud people are doing interesting things

29:48

we should have a much more

29:51

like pride around what our

29:53

bodies are doing and the cycle in general,

29:55

especially the super cool things

29:57

that happen during it like this ovulation.

29:59

moment and building this organ.

30:02

I mean, I'm endlessly fascinated by it as you today.

30:04

I've been only thinking about this since I

30:06

started the period club in sixth grade when I was a

30:08

little girl. That was the first time I ever

30:10

heard about it. I just thought, are you

30:12

kidding me? This gets to happen

30:15

to me. Oh yeah, I was all in

30:17

it. I'm still all in. I mean, you're making periods sound

30:19

so fun. Yeah, I'm like, oh, I'm so proud

30:21

of my three little 3D printer in there.

30:24

Also, I'm sure you're sick of telling this

30:26

story, but I don't want to deprive the listeners

30:29

of your own personal journey with

30:31

PCOS and how you started

30:33

this work. Because I think there's a lot of women who are

30:35

listening, suffering with

30:37

PCOS and Endo and infertility

30:40

and all of these things. Yeah. Can

30:42

you just give us a little bit of your

30:44

background? Because she walks the walk

30:46

and she made the change in herself. So you

30:49

should probably listen to what she's preaching. Well,

30:52

I mean, I first want to say that

30:54

there are so many as an understatement.

30:57

By our last account, there

30:59

are 3 billion, 3.1

31:02

billion women suffering from the collective

31:05

hormonal

31:06

issues that can be out there, whether it's PCOS, fibroids,

31:08

endometriosis, infertility numbers

31:10

are on the rise. They track those every

31:13

decade. They just published that it went

31:15

up from one in 10 couples to now

31:17

one in eight. So it's getting worse. These

31:20

problems are not going anywhere and

31:23

we need a new way to deal with them. And

31:25

anyway, so it's a huge problem. I

31:28

first became aware of

31:30

this problem, like you said, because I

31:32

discovered that I was one of these women. And

31:35

I didn't know for a long time. I went a very

31:37

long time without a diagnosis. But

31:39

let's just paint the picture from the

31:42

age of 12 to 22. I

31:45

only menstruated six times,

31:48

three of which were chemically induced

31:50

with synthetic progesterone. As soon

31:52

as I was 16, I started

31:54

going to gynecologist, even though I

31:56

hadn't. I only got my period like

31:58

two months before that. my very first

32:01

period. It was very, very delayed. And

32:04

I was itching to go to the

32:06

gynecologist because, but you have to wait till

32:08

you're 16 or you have your first period or sexually

32:11

active. So I was like, oh, I just want to go. I know something's

32:13

wrong. I felt it even then. She was like,

32:15

no, no, it's normal. And the gas lighting began

32:18

pretty much right away. Like, it's fine. You're

32:20

young. It's normal to be irregular.

32:22

So all the symptoms then just started

32:25

compounding. The acne was

32:27

pretty intense and it got very bad.

32:29

I had a cystic acne

32:31

face, chest, and back. I went

32:33

from, I'm five foot six. I went from

32:35

like a normal weight,

32:38

I don't even remember what it was, 140 chubby teenager to 210

32:41

pounds. The mental health impacts of

32:47

a hormonal dysregulation were pretty impressive.

32:50

I was like anxiety, depression,

32:53

insomnia,

32:55

and it just affected

32:57

everything. I felt really,

33:00

I remember feeling like very trapped in my

33:03

body. I was like, it's not the

33:05

me that I'm supposed to be. I felt tired

33:08

and old and in

33:10

fact, my hormone levels being the way that they were

33:12

really were very similar to someone

33:14

who was postmenopausal. So

33:17

that feeling of not feeling youthful and

33:20

able to focus and think straight just all

33:22

got worse and worse. So there

33:24

I was, despite all of this, still

33:27

a super nerd and somehow

33:29

managed to get myself into Johns Hopkins University.

33:32

And

33:34

really the symptoms kind of reached their crescendo.

33:36

Like I just, all of them got to their apex

33:39

in terms of the weight, the skin, the moods,

33:41

the

33:42

no periods whatsoever. And

33:45

I was constantly

33:48

researching when I had a free minute. I mean, I had access

33:50

to this incredible library there. So I was like, I bet

33:53

there's something in here to help me because this is a

33:55

pre-internet. Okay. And

33:57

so, so.

33:59

So I found a little

34:02

journal that described,

34:05

it was an obstetrics journal, and it just described

34:07

this thing called Steinlevenville disease. And

34:10

I was like, this is me to

34:12

a T. I had every single thing

34:15

for classic presentation of this disorder. So

34:17

I went to my gynecologist the next morning

34:20

without an appointment. And as the famous story goes,

34:22

and I was like, hey, she scared her in the

34:24

parking lot. And I was like, hey, I'm pretty

34:26

sure I figured out what's wrong with me. Can we do the test

34:28

today?

34:29

And I think just, you know,

34:33

she knew how earnest I was from

34:35

interacting with me many times. So she's

34:37

like, yeah, sure. Let's do it, which was super cool of her.

34:40

We did the testing. When I came back for the results, she

34:43

sat me down and she said, you know, you're right.

34:45

This is right. You have this.

34:47

Sorry, we didn't know, you know, seven years.

34:52

And I said, OK, that's fine. You know, I'm a New

34:54

Englander born and raised. I was like, what

34:57

do we do now? Very practical. But what

34:59

do we do? She's like, well,

35:01

there's nothing that we can do. There's no cure.

35:04

What we can do is put you on medication

35:06

that hopefully might mitigate

35:09

some lesson a little bit, some of your symptoms.

35:12

But you're going to have increasing problems as you age

35:14

with fertility, diabetes, obesity,

35:17

hypertension, heart disease, cancer,

35:19

you know, all the big disease of inflammation.

35:22

We'll just use medication along the way to help

35:24

you. And oh, by the way, you may never get

35:27

pregnant on your own, you know,

35:29

blah, blah, blah. And I'm 20

35:32

something in her office sitting

35:34

there. And I had this very profound, very

35:37

clear as a bell moment. She's

35:39

talking. She's like, I'm going to write you a prescription for

35:41

the pill. And my whole body just said to me

35:45

very clearly, that's not

35:47

your future. And

35:49

it was so I almost like looked behind me. So

35:51

I'm like, who said that? So

35:54

I just

35:55

opened my mouth and I just repeated what

35:57

I heard. I said, that's not my future. She's like, what are you going to

35:59

do? I said, I don't know. But

36:00

I'm going to take my very expensively trained mind

36:02

and I'm going to go figure this out. And that's

36:05

in that moment, I sort of made a couple of

36:07

commitments to myself. One that I would figure this out for

36:09

myself. But two, that if I

36:11

did figure this out, that I would build

36:14

a hormone care platform for women

36:16

so that no one would feel the way that I felt,

36:18

which was scared, alone, overwhelmed.

36:22

And that just became the journey of my,

36:25

the

36:26

past two decades, really.

36:28

Having my cycle was an

36:30

incredible experience to just

36:32

watch that happen, to figure out how to

36:35

manipulate my endocrine system with food

36:38

and then watch it.

36:40

I mean, just everything just starting to work

36:42

the way that it was supposed to. The weight, I mean, 60

36:45

pounds coming off, not

36:47

in the way that conventional wisdom

36:50

tells you like, oh, you got it, no pain, no gain

36:52

or starvation or whatever. No, just get

36:54

your hormones working and your metabolism sorts itself

36:56

out like, oh, big surprise, right? And

36:59

then the skin clearing up, I mean, I would have to

37:01

sit down because I was so heavy, I couldn't stand up for

37:03

half an hour. So you just sit down and put

37:05

on, I remember it was prescriptives, under

37:08

eye concealer was the only thing opaque

37:10

enough to

37:10

cover the red. I would put that all over

37:12

my face. It would take a half

37:14

an hour to spackle all this acne. And still

37:17

you walk outside and it's so obvious that you're

37:20

wearing too much makeup that doesn't match

37:22

your skin tone. That went away.

37:25

I mean, and I love talking about my skin because

37:27

it's one of those things people can see with their own eyes.

37:30

It's hard to see your hormones on the inside.

37:32

And then of course my cycle,

37:34

having the ability to ovulate and

37:36

menstruate monthly for the past two decades

37:39

is such a gift that I don't take for granted because

37:41

for the first 10 years where that was supposed to be

37:43

happening, it didn't happen.

37:45

And I know how much I missed

37:47

out on from a health point of view, from a personal

37:51

cognitive, if I could get

37:53

those 10 years back, I would love to, but instead

37:55

I just want to make sure that nobody else has to go

37:57

through that experience. the

38:00

best of my ability. I mean, your story is so

38:02

fascinating because it's like

38:05

you had to be your own advocate for yourself.

38:07

And especially with women's health, I feel like we have

38:09

to do that all of the time. Because even when you said early

38:11

in the episode, it's like I was being gaslit when I was

38:14

like 16 years old. And

38:16

I think every woman out there has experienced

38:18

that in some capacity where it's like, no, something

38:20

is off. I can feel it in my bones.

38:23

Yeah. And I have to give credit to my mom. I

38:26

mean, people often ask me like, how did you have

38:28

the wherewithal to advocate for yourself

38:29

at such a young age? And

38:32

I think it was just growing up in an environment

38:34

where my mom was very much

38:37

always asking questions and always

38:40

very like,

38:41

let's use medication only

38:44

when absolutely necessary. So there

38:46

was so much pressure put on me

38:48

in these conversations to just get right on the

38:50

pill.

38:51

And I think that had I not just and my mom

38:53

was often not even in the room for these conversations,

38:56

because at a certain point, I was just going by myself to these

38:58

appointments.

39:00

So I think it was just, you know,

39:02

kind of having that be in

39:05

the ether in my home growing up

39:07

was definitely, definitely a part of how

39:09

I ended up feeling like it

39:11

was normal and safe and good and right

39:14

for me to ask questions. So

39:16

your whole mission is

39:18

basically

39:20

these cycles mixed with

39:22

the right workout and the right food and

39:24

the right supplements. And I know this is what you

39:27

have a new project coming out, which basically is

39:29

like this tech that analyzes

39:31

this and then helps us decide what

39:33

to eat, what to supplement. Is that correct?

39:36

Yeah. So after

39:39

sort of putting together the protocol, the flow

39:41

protocol that, you know, everybody knows

39:43

from the first book woman code. I started asking

39:46

myself a question about

39:49

what are we overlooking? What are we still missing? Why

39:51

do women find themselves like it's fine. It's

39:53

great that we have a protocol to balance

39:56

our hormones. But how do we just not fall

39:58

into that ditch in the first.

39:59

place right what are we what are we missing

40:02

what are we getting fundamentally wrong because 80% of women at

40:06

some point in her lifetime will have a hormone

40:08

problem. That's

40:10

staggering when you compare that

40:13

to the male cohort, I mean it's like under 20%

40:17

they're not suffering from this at

40:19

such a great degree, so I started asking

40:21

myself why what are we missing and

40:23

that's when I sort of stumbled upon the in Friday

40:25

and biological rhythm.

40:27

Of course. In

40:32

Friday and biological rhythm of course, I did.

40:36

You know I am nothing if not a research nerd

40:39

and I said oh my God, this is what we're missing

40:41

because we know how profound it is when we disrupt

40:43

our circadian clock right we mess

40:45

up major systems of the body people who do chronic

40:47

shift work, you know they have to struggle a little bit more to stay

40:50

healthy, it's it's a big deal. So

40:52

here we are as women a we

40:54

don't even know we have this biological clock which

40:56

is active from

40:57

your first bleed to your last okay.

41:00

And be we are

41:02

unaware that we are disrupting

41:04

this clock to a massive extent

41:07

which then just makes it impossible for you to be

41:09

healthy the way that you're designed to be

41:11

and this is why so many more

41:13

women are having hormonal struggles versus

41:15

men because we're all technically dealing

41:18

with the same kind of input right we're all

41:20

in this environment that's full of endocrine disruptive

41:22

chemicals. We're all eating a little

41:24

too much sugar we're all not doing

41:27

our workouts perfectly this is men and women right.

41:29

But for women we're so

41:31

much more greatly affected because

41:33

we're disrupting this in Friday and clock

41:36

because and how we disrupt that at the most

41:38

profound level is that we try

41:40

to do the same things

41:43

every day.

41:44

While your whole

41:47

hormonal system is changing.

41:50

4 times a month right so

41:53

all the the wisdom that you've heard

41:55

in the well fitness nutrition

41:57

wellness rhetoric which is okay

41:59

a perfect daily routine

42:02

for your food and a perfect caloric

42:04

intake that you should strive to take in every day

42:07

or that you should do the same workouts every

42:10

day to achieve your desired. All

42:12

of that is not applicable

42:15

if you are menstruating

42:17

because your hormones changing

42:19

means that you're having

42:21

an infradin impact on your

42:23

metabolic speed, on

42:25

your cortisol levels, on so

42:28

many things. So

42:29

you have to minimally synchronize

42:32

how much you're eating and

42:34

the types of intensity with your workouts

42:36

that you're doing to match each of the phases.

42:38

So once I

42:39

understood this, I decided, well, we need a method

42:42

to support this infradian rhythm,

42:44

to support so that we can really get this right.

42:46

And that's when I created the cycle syncing method, which

42:49

yes, has gone totally viral on TikTok.

42:51

There's hashtag cycle syncing now has like 130

42:53

million iterations,

42:55

it's really great. It's awesome. And I think

42:58

it's just because it's an idea whose time has come. And

43:00

it's because,

43:01

finally, as I always like to

43:03

say, the form of your

43:06

self care can actually

43:08

follow the function of your biology.

43:11

And we've never been able to do

43:13

that because

43:14

all the research that's ever

43:17

been done has been done on men or

43:19

postmenopausal women because

43:22

we're too complicated in our reproductive years and

43:25

let's just leave them out. And let's assume,

43:27

I mean, this is the most unscientific reasoning you'll

43:29

ever hear, but this is what it is. They're too

43:31

complicated. We don't understand enough

43:33

about the cycle. Let's leave them out of research. And

43:36

let's just assume that they're

43:38

smaller versions of men and whatever we find

43:40

for the guys, it'll probably work

43:43

for the women.

43:44

Amazing. Is that accurate?

43:47

It's insane. Does that even sound remotely accurate? But that's

43:49

what we're doing. Sounds about right though. So

43:51

like here you are, you're trying to be good. You're

43:53

trying to do something good for yourself. You're

43:55

reading the articles.

43:57

And this was just three years ago

43:59

now. pit workouts are the gold

44:01

standard for, you know, facts

44:04

loss, right?

44:05

And intermittent fasting. This was like top

44:08

news. Everyone was talking about it. No

44:10

one was talking about the fact that the

44:12

studies only reference men

44:14

and postmenopausal women. So all these women

44:17

were trying it,

44:18

disrupting their cycle, you know,

44:21

disrupting their fertility, gaining weight,

44:23

having thyroid effects. I mean, this

44:25

is this is what happens when we don't do

44:28

proper disclosure of what is going on in the

44:30

studies. Anyway, it's

44:32

frustrating. We all have the right to be frustrated, but

44:34

just make sure that when you're reading something,

44:37

you look at, click on the link to the

44:39

study and just see who the cohort is.

44:42

What are the three things that

44:44

like you walk around earth seeing women

44:46

do that are the most disruptive?

44:49

One, if you're not modulating

44:51

your caloric intake at the right times in

44:53

your cycle, which we can break this down, we can

44:55

go through the cycle syncing method a little bit.

44:58

If you're not varying your workouts, number

45:00

two, if you're not very, if you're doing the same kind

45:02

of workout every day, you will disrupt your hormones. And

45:05

then three, if you're not going out

45:07

of your way to remove endocrine

45:08

disruptive chemicals to the extent

45:11

that is maximally possible,

45:13

then you're just shooting yourself in the foot.

45:15

Right? So those are the three things that I would say.

45:18

So let's break down each of those. Cause I think

45:20

they're really

45:21

each interesting as like a way in,

45:23

obviously, if

45:25

you're listening, you got to get the books, you

45:28

got to get the app. I mean, there's so much we

45:30

could never cover it all. There's no how to that

45:32

could happen in a 60 minute podcast, but can

45:34

you break down each one of those worlds and

45:36

like kind of the things that women do? And

45:39

so if they see themselves doing this, that they

45:41

would know, Oh,

45:43

during my cycle,

45:45

I shouldn't be doing X. Yeah.

45:47

So, so let's look at our, let's

45:49

look at our metabolic pattern

45:51

just so that we understand it. And that makes sense. Like why

45:53

you would need to change your calories. So in the first half

45:55

of the cycle, follicular and ovulatory,

45:58

your metabolism.

45:59

metabolism is slightly slower. So you

46:02

can and should eat fewer calories relative

46:04

to you so if you're typically eating of I

46:08

already died,

46:09

you know you're going to drop that and who I mean I mean

46:11

I think people are counting calories these days, but let's

46:13

say that you are roughly you're

46:16

going to drop that down by about 250 calories

46:18

you're going to feel better with a little bit

46:20

less food during this time because you don't need

46:23

as much because of this slow

46:25

down in your metabolism. So

46:28

that's the first thing and you also want

46:30

to this is the second piece the second

46:32

food layer piece within the cycle sinking method

46:35

you also want to use food strategically here,

46:37

especially during that ovulation phase when

46:39

you have that super surge of estrogen. Your

46:42

body has to metabolize

46:44

or break down all of that estrogen if

46:47

you don't have enough micronutrients

46:49

stored in the tissue of your liver and

46:51

you need a wide variety from a to e

46:53

to see to be immune a ton plus need Selenium

46:56

glutathione it's hard for your liver

46:58

to do that job. So what I

47:00

recommend and this is the famous food

47:03

flow chart in chapter 4 of in the

47:06

flow.

47:06

You're going to be using a lot of

47:09

raw foods smoothies you know

47:11

Chris rock cruciferous vegetables you're going

47:13

to be using these things strategically just to

47:15

super charge your body's ability to break down

47:17

all that estrogen

47:19

but that's only a 3 to 4 day

47:21

period of time.

47:22

This is the thing we all feel like we're

47:24

being quote unquote good if we're having

47:27

smoothies and salads and we

47:29

try to do that all month long. But

47:31

as you're going to see in a second you extend

47:34

that beyond ovulation you really

47:36

not helping things at all you're actually

47:38

going to create imbalance and so here's what happens now

47:41

we finished ovulation we now cross over

47:43

to the other side the second half of the cycle

47:45

that secretory phase of the cycle where the corpus

47:48

luchum is to creating all these progesterone hormones

47:50

you're building that lining

47:52

of the uterus, it's a very intense

47:55

time is a lot of activity that's taking

47:57

place in the reproductive organs. You

47:59

need a lot of nerve. nourishment and your blot speeds

48:03

up so that you can food

48:07

and extract more mic print

48:09

that organ, you kno deal.

48:12

So you're metabolin eat. Studies

48:14

are pretty c more

48:17

calories per day. If

48:20

what's gonna happen to yo gonna

48:23

be good, not gonna be irritable

48:26

and moody an eat

48:29

binge eating is a sy your

48:33

metabolic shift in t

48:36

you eat enough calories

48:38

w feel like you're eating m

48:42

eat anything during your you

48:45

feel good, you feel s are

48:48

good, your energy is don't

48:51

eat more proactivi of

48:53

foods, which is the se about in a sec,

48:55

then you' are like

48:57

the but of a jo don't

49:02

want to do that to

49:04

second layer is like in t we

49:07

need to kind of suppor here,

49:09

we really need to p Okay.

49:12

And cortisol levels selecting

49:15

foods that are possible.

49:17

So cooked root we're

49:20

gonna do carbs or c then

49:24

also because the tran in

49:27

the gut due to all that want

49:29

to use cooked leafy g to

49:32

raw things, it's gonna

49:34

and gas if you don't cook phase,

49:37

right?

49:39

Proteins, f

49:41

aggressively during this it,

49:44

start the day out with I

49:47

mean, I give lots of ex but someone

49:49

today just po my favorite.

49:51

It's like a with like some

49:53

poached egg means

49:56

like

49:56

eat with purpo during

50:00

your luteal phase and you will feel so

50:02

much better.

50:03

But if you try to do any intermittent

50:05

fasting during this phase, you're going to feel worse. It's

50:08

going to exacerbate your blood sugar disruption.

50:10

It's not the thing to do. If you wanted to do a little

50:12

bit of an extended fast in the first half of the cycle,

50:14

you could.

50:16

But for women in their reproductive years,

50:18

fasting beyond the

50:21

golden 12 hours between breakfast,

50:23

sorry, dinner and breakfast, is not

50:25

really necessary. And it's not even

50:27

advantageous from a metabolic point of view. You

50:30

could just do an extended hour or two if

50:32

you wanted to in the first half of your cycle.

50:35

So those are like the high level

50:37

things about cycle syncing your food

50:39

based on metabolic changes and how we can

50:41

really compensate for these hormonal patterns

50:44

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You're listening to The Lady Gang. I

54:46

mean, I just

54:47

have the heaviest period of all time. My

54:49

mom had an extremely heavy period. My

54:51

period is like hell on earth. And

54:57

I don't know if it's normal or not. Yeah,

54:59

I mean, it's mostly I bleed. Like, I

55:01

don't think, I think I bleed more than

55:04

any person has ever bled in their entire life

55:06

during their period. But like only in the first

55:08

two days. And then the rest of my period is like

55:10

okay. But yeah, I just have

55:13

like a crazy period. But it's every 28

55:15

days on the dot. So it's

55:17

not like it's... Do you have cramping as well?

55:20

Yeah. Okay. So, it's pretty

55:22

straightforward what's going on. We fix this literally

55:25

every day. It's very easy. And

55:27

I would love to

55:29

get you on a little protocol. So like in a month

55:31

from now or two, you could be having

55:34

a different reality. It doesn't take that

55:36

long. So, it's

55:39

such a common problem that I created a whole formulation

55:42

for this particular issue called

55:45

Release. To help women who

55:47

are sort of struggling with metabolizing

55:49

their estrogen. So what's going on for

55:51

you is a combination where you

55:53

have

55:54

both

55:56

too much estrogen unopposed by

55:58

progesterone in the luteal cycle.

55:59

phase which is causing an over development

56:02

of the lining of the uterus,

56:05

right, so then there's more to shed, first

56:07

of all. Second of all, you have likely

56:11

not enough support

56:13

to break all this estrogen down throughout

56:15

the cycle. You could also have an overabundance

56:18

of the quote unquote dirty estrogens. So

56:21

there's good ones, there's less good ones. And

56:25

this can be supported best with

56:27

food and supplementation. So in the

56:29

release product that I formulated,

56:31

there are specific things that really help the

56:33

liver break this estrogen down

56:35

every single day so that you don't get to

56:38

a place where it's now over developing

56:40

that lining of the

56:41

uterus and causing this to

56:43

be such a heavy bleed. So

56:45

that's the first thing. Then from a cramps point

56:48

of view,

56:49

cramps are caused specifically

56:52

unless you know you have a structural

56:54

issue like fibroids or endometriosis, which

56:57

do you have? Not that I know of. Okay.

57:00

Yes, sometimes it's hard to know. There's no

57:02

good testing for any of these things.

57:05

There's no test

57:07

to determine if you have PCOS. There's no

57:09

test to determine if you have fibroids. It's kind of crazy.

57:11

I mean, there needs to be a study. I mean, anyway, that's a whole other

57:14

situation. But

57:16

anyway, so assuming you don't

57:18

have a known structural, let's

57:21

say, issue that's causing the uterus

57:23

to work hard to expel that lining, then

57:25

it's often really just coming down

57:28

to the types of fats that are going in your

57:30

diet. If you eat the wrong fats, you're

57:32

going to produce

57:34

too much of this one prostaglandin.

57:36

There are three of them that control the uterine activity,

57:39

PGE1, PGE2, and PGE3.

57:43

Nature has designed your

57:45

uterine activity to be efficient

57:47

and painless. Let me say that again. You're

57:51

designed to have a painless, efficient

57:54

release of the uterine lining every month. Why?

57:57

Because there's twice as many prostaglandins that control uterine

57:59

activity.

57:59

relaxation, PGE 1

58:02

and 3 control uterine relaxation, which

58:05

I always do with this gentle hand motion. I

58:07

love that. That's what it feels like. That's

58:09

what it is. Like a flower. Like

58:13

a gentle massage, right? There's

58:15

one prostaglandin that's like

58:17

revving the gas pedal, if you will, to cause

58:19

a little bit of contraction just so that we're not

58:22

totally relaxed the whole time. It's only one

58:24

of them. It's PGE number two.

58:26

If you eat seed oils, canola

58:30

oil, sunflower oil, safflower oil, any of these

58:32

seed oils, you jack up the production

58:34

of PGE 2 and suppress

58:37

the production of PGE 1 and 3, which means

58:40

during the time that the bleeding is starting,

58:42

your uterus is just contracting and contracting.

58:44

It's not relaxing. And for anybody who's

58:46

ever been in labor, this

58:49

is terrible, right? In fact, this is important.

58:51

If you are pregnant,

58:52

you also want to omit all seed oils for a

58:54

number of reasons, neurological development

58:57

of the baby, your own hormonal health, but also to

58:59

prepare you for labor. You want to

59:01

make yourself full of omega-3

59:04

rich, fatty acids, which promote

59:07

the production of PGE 1 and 3 and

59:10

keep at bay the production of PGE 2, which

59:12

means whether you're starting your bleed or

59:14

you're going to go into labor, it's going to feel

59:18

good and not super

59:20

intense. So what are some foods like?

59:22

Wait, hold on. I just want to make sure. This is

59:24

blowing my mind. No one's been able to answer this question for

59:26

you and I just answered it and I wanted to show you understand.

59:29

Yeah, no, I do understand. But

59:31

you feel excited and hopeful that this

59:34

can change because that's the most important thing.

59:36

You have to feel positive. Oh,

59:38

yeah. This is not something. And I

59:40

also just want to flag that that

59:42

belief that you have, well, this happened to my mom

59:45

and all her sisters and this is very

59:47

powerful hypnotism that you're doing

59:49

to yourself. But you're

59:52

doing it and so do so many women. We all believe

59:54

this toxic period narrative,

59:56

mythological nonsense, like, oh, I've inherited

59:59

the word.

59:59

worst period ever from all the women

1:00:02

in my family and never going to get better

1:00:04

until I'm old enough to have a hysterectomy. I mean,

1:00:06

it's some flavor of that.

1:00:08

We're all operating under that hypnosis.

1:00:11

Please everyone just know that none of it is

1:00:13

scientifically accurate and you can 100% manipulate

1:00:18

your hormonal output by changing your dietary

1:00:21

inputs. Period. There it is.

1:00:23

Number two. I have one last question about

1:00:26

that because as

1:00:28

somebody who has gone through disordered eating

1:00:30

and stuff in my past and I'm sure a lot of women also

1:00:34

have, anything with

1:00:36

diet

1:00:37

and eat this, not that,

1:00:39

that scares the shit out of me and

1:00:41

I'm always just so anti it. Is

1:00:44

there a way to implement this kind of stuff into

1:00:46

your lifestyle without being super

1:00:49

extremely restrictive and getting the same,

1:00:51

at least a positive result

1:00:53

out of it? I'm so glad you surfaced

1:00:55

that. We have had so many women who've

1:00:58

had disordered eating in the past come

1:01:00

to us to share how cycle sinking

1:01:03

method, notice it is not a diet. First

1:01:05

and foremost, it's a method to support

1:01:07

this in Freidian clock. It's a all encompassing

1:01:09

lifestyle program.

1:01:12

Find that it has been such a healing

1:01:15

experience for their relationship with their bodies

1:01:17

and food because it is about you

1:01:20

connecting with what is right for me right

1:01:22

now,

1:01:23

as opposed to following

1:01:25

some arbitrary regime. And

1:01:28

fundamentally, and I talk about this in

1:01:30

the book, In the Flow, because it's just come up so often

1:01:33

in my work.

1:01:35

The fact that

1:01:37

we struggle so much more than

1:01:39

men with disordered eating, it

1:01:42

could be argued or at least it's

1:01:44

worth exploring. What

1:01:46

happens when a girl goes from a circadian

1:01:49

only existence in childhood

1:01:51

to then having an infradian clock

1:01:54

that no one's explaining to her and

1:01:57

she was living a reality in which it was okay

1:01:59

to be the same.

1:01:59

every day and now she's got this new reality where

1:02:02

she's supposed to change but nobody's telling her

1:02:04

she's supposed to be to do different things to

1:02:06

take care of herself. And you think the

1:02:08

all and then you're waking up at puberty also

1:02:11

into the sort of you

1:02:13

know as much as your teenage brain can comprehend

1:02:15

that like I'm a girl inside a patriarchal

1:02:17

construct how do I survive that so

1:02:19

there's this massive situation that's

1:02:22

taking place and perhaps we

1:02:24

are reacting to this stress

1:02:27

of not knowing how to what our bodies are doing

1:02:29

and sort of this whole existential moment

1:02:31

that we're having and we say OK maybe the

1:02:34

way for me to take care of myself and

1:02:36

to survive is if I

1:02:39

try to be the same every day like

1:02:42

I used to be and then that same

1:02:44

this we then equate sameness with quote unquote

1:02:46

perfection and then it's a slippery slope,

1:02:49

you know from there. So I just I

1:02:51

just like to surface that because it's a question

1:02:53

mark you can start to look at for yourself what

1:02:56

is the extent

1:02:57

to which not

1:02:59

knowing about how your cycle has worked has

1:03:02

impacted you emotionally and psychologically when

1:03:04

you have disordered eating or not even

1:03:06

if you haven't had that issue.

1:03:09

So many of us we start cycle sinking feel

1:03:11

a profound

1:03:12

healing because we're like

1:03:15

oh yeah, this is how my body works

1:03:17

and it is safe for me to

1:03:19

take care of it the way that it's working and

1:03:21

I don't have to do things to try to fit myself

1:03:24

into some other

1:03:26

system that wasn't designed with my biology

1:03:28

in mind so I think it's my big

1:03:30

answer to your question is that and my the second

1:03:33

part of the answer is

1:03:34

do not use the cycle sinking

1:03:36

method in a way to try to be perfect do

1:03:39

not I will come for you do not do that it's

1:03:41

a method if you even did it.

1:03:44

30% of the time you would be

1:03:46

benefited but you're going to do the food and

1:03:48

the fitness piece you're going to dial that in over

1:03:51

months you're going to become more comfortable with

1:03:53

it it's going to come easier to use the app it's going

1:03:55

to be something that you don't have to become a subject

1:03:57

matter expert in you can kind of just be guided

1:03:59

through the process.

1:03:59

process. And then all the other stuff

1:04:02

with the work and all the other fun things

1:04:04

you can play with around your brain changes,

1:04:06

that's like gravy. That's fun. But yeah,

1:04:08

this is not like

1:04:10

anything else that you've been presented

1:04:12

with in terms of, okay, here's the exact thing

1:04:15

you have to do every day. No. Meal plans.

1:04:17

No, I think the app is actually quite the opposite.

1:04:20

I think it's given me this relationship

1:04:23

that's less rigid with food because

1:04:25

it's you wake up in the morning, you check the

1:04:27

app and you're like, where am I at in my cycle right now?

1:04:30

What is it suggesting that you do a gentle yoga

1:04:32

class? Amazing. It's like you don't have to think

1:04:34

because I also have those days where I'm like,

1:04:36

what am I going to eat today? I want to take care

1:04:38

of myself. I want to feel good. I don't know what that's

1:04:40

going to be. And then if I go on and I

1:04:42

see that a smoothie is actually going to

1:04:44

serve me and my body the best,

1:04:47

then I go and I seek that out. But then it's

1:04:49

like, it's these beautiful suggestions

1:04:51

where you do feel like you're just sort of taking care

1:04:53

of yourself versus following

1:04:56

this really rigid protocol. Seven

1:04:58

scopes of a cucumber or a

1:05:00

cantaloupe with a rolling baller. No.

1:05:04

Here's my wish,

1:05:06

Jack, because I love your vulnerability

1:05:09

in this moment because

1:05:11

I know that's hard for you.

1:05:13

My wish is Jack's getting married in France

1:05:16

in September. So we

1:05:18

have like three months, about 140 days or whatever. And my

1:05:20

wish for you is that you can go into the

1:05:25

month of your wedding with

1:05:28

a 30% improvement

1:05:31

on your heavy ass cycle so

1:05:33

that you can enjoy you wearing

1:05:35

your white. You know what I mean? Like throughout the whole

1:05:37

thing, because we have events planned and pre-events

1:05:40

and it's just like, I know we've been through

1:05:43

this with

1:05:43

her for seven years.

1:05:45

It's really life stopping. It

1:05:47

gets that bad. And so my

1:05:49

wish for you is that we can

1:05:51

support you and this has

1:05:53

been like a changing moment. And then by the time we

1:05:55

get to France, you're like, wow, I can't believe, it's

1:05:58

not perfect. Obviously you can't

1:05:59

whole life in three months, but it sounds like,

1:06:02

Alisa's saying, you could be better.

1:06:04

You could feel better by the time you're getting married,

1:06:07

which would be great. And just for a fun

1:06:09

fact, I got married on day

1:06:11

two of my bleed purposefully

1:06:14

because I was like, I

1:06:16

was like queuing up. I was like, okay, great. This

1:06:19

is like a great, well, I know also I

1:06:21

really wanted to be so present during

1:06:23

my wedding

1:06:24

and during your bleed, the two

1:06:26

hemispheres of your brain are communicating the

1:06:28

most across this bundle of nerve

1:06:31

fibers in your brain called the corpus callosum. So

1:06:33

I was like, okay,

1:06:34

I, I've heard from every bride

1:06:37

that they just feel like the day just flies

1:06:39

by and like, it's almost out of their

1:06:41

body. I was like, okay, what's the time I'm going to be the most

1:06:43

in my body in the cycle, obviously my

1:06:45

bleeding phase. And I'm going to be able to be able

1:06:48

to sort

1:06:49

the facts of what's happening and

1:06:51

the feelings because that's what this cross communication

1:06:54

empowers you to do during your bleeding phase the

1:06:56

most. So let me schedule it on day

1:06:58

two

1:06:59

and then we can wait like

1:07:02

after the wedding, like four days and then let's

1:07:04

hit my honeymoon during ovulation for all the sexy

1:07:06

time. Like that's, that was my game plan. It

1:07:09

worked out so well and

1:07:11

it was really fun. My best friend who was my maid

1:07:13

of honor, I was like, all right, you know, I got to go in and change

1:07:16

my tampons. So I was like, you're going to hoist

1:07:18

up this giant dress. I'm going to do it.

1:07:20

One tampon change for the day. It

1:07:22

was great. It was so fabulous. Wow.

1:07:25

How do people find you, Elisa? Because I know

1:07:27

there's women out there. Obviously your, your app

1:07:29

is MyFlow. It's

1:07:32

the purple one. It's the purple one with a

1:07:34

circle that's broken into four sections, obviously

1:07:36

for parts of your cycle. And

1:07:39

both of her books in the flow and women code.

1:07:42

I know you're going to the Amazon, sorry, or

1:07:44

whatever bookseller you go to and getting them right

1:07:46

now.

1:07:48

We're so excited about that. And then

1:07:51

all of your Flow Living

1:07:53

is your website. Yep. Flowliving.com.

1:07:56

Supplements, cycle syncing. The whole thing.

1:07:58

I mean, if you're having any hormones.

1:07:59

issue, you should come in. What's really

1:08:02

exciting is that we are launching

1:08:05

a whole new platform for in

1:08:07

celebration of our 10 year anniversary. I

1:08:09

can't believe we've been taking care of women's hormones for 10

1:08:11

years. We're like the OG femtech company. And

1:08:16

what, what this new platform is going to allow you

1:08:18

to do is come in, use

1:08:20

this very specialized evaluation. Tell

1:08:23

us what your symptoms are either through the

1:08:26

new app that's

1:08:27

released or on the website

1:08:29

and the, whatever your symptoms are, whatever

1:08:31

you're dealing with, we're going to be able

1:08:34

to through the platform, customize

1:08:36

a personal plan just

1:08:38

for you and what you're dealing with, with the supplements,

1:08:41

with food, all based on your cycle

1:08:43

phases. So it's really exciting. It's the first of

1:08:45

its kind. We're so, so excited

1:08:48

to be able to

1:08:49

create that for everybody. So yeah,

1:08:51

definitely check it out. Download

1:08:54

my flow. If you haven't, that's where all the magic happens.

1:08:57

And you can find me on Instagram at

1:09:00

flow living at Alisa dot VD. I'm

1:09:02

also

1:09:04

sort of on Tik TOK. You should be with

1:09:06

that hashtag. She's

1:09:08

like, I am Tik TOK. We can't

1:09:11

thank you so much enough for coming on.

1:09:14

And this was amazing. And I know we're going

1:09:16

to have an update soon for you with

1:09:18

our Jacqueline and also me, because I didn't

1:09:21

realize I was supposed to anyway. Okay. All right.

1:09:24

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