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Lakers Nation. Welcome into the Lakers

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1:15

and today we've got a

1:17

lot to talk about to start a

1:19

new week. Happy Monday, everybody. We need

1:21

to get into the Lakers. Their coaching

1:23

search, some coaching extensions going out

1:25

around the NBA teams trying to play keep away

1:28

from the Lakers. Here's, that's

1:30

what's happening. We're going to get into

1:32

what's going on there. I'll also talk

1:34

about Anthony Davis's rising power in the

1:36

organization, both on and off the court.

1:39

What that can mean for this summer,

1:41

for the roster build, as well as

1:43

the coaching search, and we'll get into

1:45

the mail bag. So lots to talk

1:47

about on this fine Monday. Speaking of

1:50

Monday, today we will have our first

1:52

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1:54

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1:56

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1:58

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2:01

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2:03

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2:05

afternoons, we will also do a live

2:07

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2:09

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2:12

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2:14

our live show schedule for the off season.

2:16

That may be adjusted a bit once we

2:18

get into the thick of things in June,

2:20

when we're getting into the draft, we're getting

2:22

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2:25

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aware that may shift a little bit as

2:30

needed. But for right now, that's going to be the

2:32

live show schedule moving forward. Obviously, there's going to be

2:34

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2:38

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2:55

let's get into it. News

2:57

broke this morning, Monday morning, Jason

2:59

kid getting an extension with

3:01

the Dallas Mavericks. Apparently all you have to do

3:03

in order to get an extension or be rumored

3:06

to get an extension is be linked to the

3:08

Los Angeles Lakers. Hell, I'd like to put out

3:10

there that the Lakers are interested in hiring me

3:12

to be their next head coach. Apparently

3:15

that's all you need to get it to get

3:17

a payday right now. So let's go quick. Somebody

3:19

write the check. Jason kid

3:21

gets a contract extension with the

3:23

Dallas Mavericks. As soon as his

3:25

name appeared in the Lakers

3:27

coaching search or as a, as a

3:30

person of interest for the Lakers, it's

3:33

instant contract extension. So Jason kid

3:35

obviously will not be coaching the

3:37

Los Angeles Lakers. Ty Lou also

3:40

rubric as soon as they got leaked that

3:42

the Lakers were interested in Ty Lou, the

3:44

Clippers went, Oh no, no, no, no, no.

3:46

We really want him. We really, we

3:48

really want him. We're going to keep him

3:50

around. We want to give him a contract

3:52

extension. Now we talked about over the weekend.

3:54

Tyler did say that he wants

3:56

to stay with the Clippers, uh,

3:59

that he wants an extension with the Clippers sounds like that's that's

4:01

where he wants to be. And of course, that's his,

4:04

his choice. It wouldn't shock me

4:06

if Tyler still has some, you know,

4:08

certain feelings about the Lakers after

4:10

the way their original contract negotiation

4:12

back in 2019 went when Frank

4:16

Vogel ultimately became the Lakers head coach after

4:18

Vogel was going to become an assistant coach

4:20

under Tyler and then the Lakers just fumbled

4:23

on the one yard line and wouldn't

4:25

pay up to give Tyler a fourth

4:27

year on his contract instead wanting to

4:29

tie his contract to LeBron, which hindsight

4:31

being 2020 wouldn't have mattered of. It's

4:33

not like LeBron left after three years

4:35

anyway. It's crazy. But regardless,

4:39

the Lakers had their chance to sign Tyler

4:41

years ago. They fumbled and

4:43

now it looks like the Clippers are

4:46

not interested in letting him go. I don't think the Clippers will even

4:48

let the Lakers talk to him, even though he

4:50

is still a guy that the Clippers or the Lakers will

4:52

be interested in. The Clippers still

4:54

have him under contract for a year. Tyler was

4:56

going to push for an extension. You just don't

4:58

like coaching on a one year deal. That's not

5:01

a good situation for them. You don't want to

5:03

be a lame duck coach. So Tyler

5:05

was going to push for an extension. It sounds like

5:07

the Clippers are interested in giving him that

5:10

extension as soon as it was known that the Lakers

5:12

were interested in Tyler. Anyway, you know, my

5:15

dog does the same thing. My

5:17

dogs, if one of them can

5:19

be playing with a toy for an hour, he

5:22

walks away from it. He's no longer

5:24

interested in that toy. But if the other dog

5:26

comes along and shows interest in it, oh

5:29

boy, no, no, no. That that is his toy.

5:31

He cannot let that go. And

5:34

and suddenly he wants that toy all over again.

5:36

That's kind of what's going on here with it with

5:38

the Clippers. As soon as the Lakers showed interest, it

5:40

was no, no, no. We're definitely extending this guy. Teams

5:42

are playing keep away from the Lakers.

5:44

The Lakers are the big threat out there right now.

5:47

And Phoenix may be as well at

5:49

some point, but for right now, the Lakers are the

5:51

big threat out there. They're going to be linked to

5:53

a lot of coaches and teams may

5:55

be looking around saying, well, is there,

5:58

who's the alternative on the market

6:00

that we can turn to, because it's the same list the Lakers will

6:02

be looking at. Should the Clippers lose

6:04

Tai Lu? Are they going to find somebody better?

6:07

That's the, should the Mavs lose Jason Kidd? Are we

6:09

going to find somebody better? Now, if you ask Mavs

6:12

fans earlier in the season, the answer would be yes,

6:14

we can find somebody better than Jason Kidd. But now

6:16

they moved on to the second round of

6:18

the NBA playoffs. Maybe that stance has softened a

6:20

bit, but regardless Jason Kidd gets an extension with

6:22

the Mavs. Here are

6:25

the Lakers candidates at this point, according to two

6:27

shops. These are like the big five, the five

6:29

main candidates. And again, some of

6:31

them are more realistic than others. It's

6:33

JJ Rettick, it's Charles Lee, Mike Mootenholzer,

6:36

Kenny Atkinson, and Tai Lu. Now, again,

6:39

the Clippers, until they ink an extension

6:41

with them, until pen gets put to

6:43

paper, Tai Lu is going to be

6:45

considered an option for the Lakers. If

6:49

they don't do, if they don't sign an extension, I

6:51

don't have to imagine that, if you're

6:53

the Lakers, let's put it this way folks, if

6:55

you're the Lakers and Tai Lu, suddenly

6:57

everything blows up between the

7:00

Clippers and Tai Lu. Steve

7:02

Bummer low balls the extension offer, which I would

7:04

be shocked if he did, because let's be honest,

7:06

all Steve Bummer has to do is go search

7:08

his couch cushions, and he's going to find enough

7:10

money to pay Tai Lu, whatever the hell he

7:12

wants. That's kind

7:14

of ridiculous, F-U kind of

7:17

money Steve Bummer has. But

7:20

if somehow, some way things

7:24

fall apart between the Clippers and Tai

7:26

Lu, if the

7:28

Lakers didn't immediately sign him, that

7:31

would not bode well for the relationship between

7:33

the Lakers and LeBron James. If the Lakers

7:35

tripped over their own two feet and fell

7:37

flat on their faces, when they, the first

7:40

time around, when they tried to sign Tai

7:42

Lu, and remember, Tai Lu, this is LeBron's

7:44

guy, right? This is LeBron's guy, if they

7:46

were to not hire him, that

7:48

would not look great. That would not

7:51

look great for the Lakers or as an organization,

7:53

if they were to once again, stumble

7:55

and fall in their efforts to hire

7:57

Tai Lu. But, I always, The

8:00

To think it's very likely that Lou will not

8:02

be available given that he's already said he wants

8:04

to stay with the Clippers. The Clippers have already

8:06

said that they want to keep I live away

8:08

from the Lakers. I mean, sorry that they want

8:10

to keep tie Lou coaching their team. So. That.

8:12

Really puts us at or

8:14

realistic options. Kenny Atkinson. My

8:17

goodness, or. Charles. Lee

8:20

Pace with a The Celtics right now.

8:23

And. Jj Redick. Now all of them come

8:25

with their own Pros and cons are on

8:27

pluses and minuses. From. My

8:29

understanding a the interview.

8:32

Will. Matter a lot more. For.

8:34

Jj redick that anybody else. The.

8:37

Interview will matter. For.

8:40

Ah, For Charles Lee. For.

8:42

My goodness or Kenny Atkinson two guys who

8:44

have been head coaches before in the I'd

8:46

be a the interview. What?

8:49

Matter as much, right that

8:51

there's There's plenty of film.

8:53

On. What a my goon, holes or team

8:55

looks like. There's plenty of film on what

8:58

a Kenny Atkinson seem like? What is basketball

9:00

philosophies are all that. Jj Redick. Who.

9:02

Knows. Who. Knows what? Jj

9:04

redick. Is. A

9:07

is as a coach. I don't

9:09

think Jj nose. Would. You did his

9:11

as a ghost. Didn't have coaching

9:13

experience so. For. Him: the interview

9:16

process is going to matter a lot

9:18

more because he's gotta explain. Hate.

9:20

This is what I want. This is. this

9:22

is how I envisioned things running. Charles.

9:25

Lee has been assisted in the league

9:28

for long time, so that's the other

9:30

other piece to this. Right where there's

9:32

there's levels to this Mike Wooten Holes

9:34

or Kenny Atkinson. We know. What?

9:37

Fundamentally, their their teams are are going to

9:39

look like with some their bass both. Last

9:42

resort, How can those philosophies change over time?

9:44

Absolutely. And we've certainly seemed that the best

9:46

coaches do that right. Lifelong learners. It's similar

9:48

to being a teacher. You are constantly try

9:50

to update your strategies right and what you

9:53

do. So just because we know what my

9:55

goodness we can look back and see. Okay,

9:57

Kenny Atkinson ran this point five years ago.

9:59

Isn't. The new get around the same stuff now,

10:01

but we still have a general sense of. What?

10:04

The with these guys are as coaches. Charles.

10:06

Leave it's it's a different tear. This is

10:09

kind of the darvon him tear from the

10:11

previous coaching search for the Lakers couple years

10:13

ago. It's a difference

10:15

here because Charles Lee has. at the very

10:18

least, he's been an assistant in the and

10:20

be A for a long time. So

10:22

at the very least. He's. Been

10:24

thinking. About he's been

10:26

planning, He's been plotting. He's been

10:28

dreaming. When I become a head

10:30

coach, I'm going to do X,

10:33

Y and Z. This is how

10:35

I'm going to run things. Sprites:

10:37

That thought process has been going

10:39

on. In. His head. On.

10:41

The same thing applies to a lot

10:43

of differences were if you are, if

10:45

you're in college and you are are

10:47

you were progressing towards any particular career.

10:50

In your head you can be figure out hey,

10:52

when I when I am an engineer, when I'm

10:54

doing this when I'm a teacher this is I'm

10:56

going to run my classroom when I am. Ah

10:58

when I imagine my own business. This is the

11:00

kind of business that I want. This.

11:02

Is how I'm going Run things right. you are

11:05

in visiting that. Charles Lee has always been thinking

11:07

about what things would look like. A few or

11:09

none. Be a head coach for a while now.

11:11

Jj Redick may have thought about that too. But.

11:14

His path has been very different. He was a

11:16

player first. Day. That he then

11:18

he gets involved would broadcasting podcasting.

11:20

All that allowed some stuff he

11:22

has he been hyper focused. On.

11:25

Coaching. Know. I think

11:27

it's fair to say doubt My part of him have

11:29

always wanted to be and and be a head coach

11:31

or. That's possible. And it's possible

11:33

he's been having those thoughts about hey I

11:35

would do things this way this when this

11:38

whites and he certainly where are knowledgeable basketball

11:40

mine there's no question. But I.

11:42

Also think there's a difference in terms of

11:44

a guy who's been coming up. With

11:47

the plan the career plan of sunday I want

11:49

to be an and be a head coach. That.

11:51

guy's been really planning out what that's going

11:53

to look like now that doesn't mean jj

11:55

redick can't be a good head coach note

11:57

or of does not at all Just

12:00

means you've got a little bit

12:02

more, you've got to really figure out what

12:05

is it that he would do as a coach

12:08

and he needs to know this is how I would

12:11

run things and let's face it. There's a steep learning

12:13

curve in the Lakers, maybe the one of

12:15

the least, certainly one of

12:17

the least, maybe the least forgiving

12:19

head coach jobs in sports. Not

12:21

in basketball, in sports. In

12:24

sports, this might be the least

12:26

forgiving head coach job. And there's some other ones

12:28

we could throw out there certainly, but that's

12:31

a tough, I mean, if you

12:33

don't know exactly what you want

12:35

to do, if you don't know exactly how

12:37

you're going to handle situations, and

12:39

if you don't know how to

12:42

adapt on the fly, because that

12:44

is so much of coaching, that

12:46

could be a big problem. So

12:48

that all gets wrapped up in this conversation.

12:50

Those are all issues

12:53

that if JJ Redick is going to become the Lakers

12:55

head coach, which by the way, Mark Stein had a

12:58

report over the weekend about how JJ

13:00

Redick's candidacy is real. And

13:02

part of that is because Jason Kidd and Tyloo are

13:05

expected to not actually be available. Kidd obviously is not

13:07

Tyloo. We don't know about an extension just yet, but

13:10

if JJ Redick is going

13:13

to become a real candidate for this Lakers job,

13:15

and he is because these other guys are, are

13:17

kind of out of the running, you've

13:20

got some, some hurdles to clear, right?

13:22

You've got some boxes to check if

13:24

you're the Lakers in that interview process.

13:26

So that's where things are at currently.

13:28

But again, Lou, we assume

13:30

he's probably not available. Jason

13:33

Kidd, we know he's not available. JJ

13:35

Redick in this field, given

13:38

that coach Bud is

13:42

kind of seen as Darvin Hym senior, JJ

13:45

Redick versus Charles Lee, Kenny Atkinson, and

13:47

coach Bud, knowing that coach Bud has

13:50

that kind of negative pulling him

13:52

back a little bit, It's a really interesting

13:54

field. And I Can't wait to see how this goes.

13:56

And Again, other names may emerge as well. All Right,

13:58

let's talk a little bit about. Anthony

14:01

Davis. So. In.

14:03

This whole coaching process, there's also

14:05

been a pretty consistent buzz that.

14:08

Like. Yes, What Le Bron once

14:10

matters, right? That that's certainly

14:12

matters. What? The Broad. What? I.

14:15

Think it's fair to say. Look, I'm I'm

14:17

no expert on the terms of what's going

14:19

on in the Bronx head, but if you

14:21

look at body language, it seemed pretty clear

14:23

that Le Bron James. Last,

14:26

I don't want to say lost respect but. He

14:29

lost interest in following what Darwin him wanted

14:31

out there on the floor and I think

14:33

I am lost the team when he Ben

14:35

Stiller when he benched Austin when you went

14:37

away from the consistently look I'm not going

14:39

to relate. To get all that we've gone

14:41

over all that kind of stuff the national

14:43

media I'd buy. Put a video out on

14:45

Twitter at our my You Tube yesterday you

14:47

to.com/lakers Nation. About.

14:49

The national media and how they've lost

14:52

their damn minds. About. The

14:54

Lakers and firing Darvon Hand because they're look

14:56

at because they're so far back on everything

14:58

they're looking at, things from so far away,

15:00

all they see as the Lakers record undergarment,

15:02

ham and they're like oh they're idiots for

15:04

firing this coach. He's a great coach. Look

15:06

at the record he would the Western Conference

15:08

finals. All of this nonsense. The

15:11

reason why they're they're missing. The point is because they're

15:14

too far away from it. They don't see. That.

15:16

He. Was. The locker room. Narrowed.

15:19

See what was going on with the substitutions?

15:21

Energy was going on Rotations the mess Look

15:23

no Coaches Perfect. Every coach is gonna have

15:25

issues. There's Miami Heat and to complain about

15:27

our spoke Spoelstra for crying out loud. but.

15:31

It seemed pretty clear that Le Bron

15:33

wasn't interested in following Devon him anymore.

15:36

But it's not just paid. Hire whoever Le

15:38

Bron wants. Their that element is going certainly

15:41

be part of it because liberals get a

15:43

player option to be a free agent. He's

15:46

Le Bron James or me. That's that's

15:49

going to carry weight. certainly in the

15:51

organization. Ads.

15:54

That's. Not the se le Bron isn't.

15:57

To. blame somewhat for what happened this past

15:59

season Anthony

16:01

Davis to the players in general,

16:04

right? LeBron did some great things this

16:06

season too. LeBron was family age 39. I can't

16:08

complain about what LeBron did on the court. But

16:11

I say everything is Darvin Hams fault and

16:14

a new coach simply solves everything because that's

16:16

not the case. But I

16:19

will say that trying to say none of it is

16:21

Darwin Hams fault is not accurate either. So

16:24

when you're looking for a new head coach, you do

16:27

have to focus in on finding somebody that LeBron

16:29

will follow that LeBron wants to follow.

16:32

He's JJ Riddick that guy I don't know but we

16:36

may be overlooking how much say Anthony Davis

16:38

is going to have because I think the torch got

16:40

passed this season. I think Anthony Davis

16:42

was the guy on this Lakers team. There

16:45

were games, there were moments where LeBron

16:47

was the guy. But

16:50

for the most part, this was Anthony Davis's team. Now

16:52

he's not as vocal of a leader as

16:54

LeBron is. He might not even be

16:56

as vocal of a leader as De'Anjal Russell is. I

16:59

mean, De'Lo talked about that mid season about how he

17:01

noticed that a lot of people weren't speaking up. It

17:03

was LeBron and everybody's kind of listening. And so De'Lo

17:05

went, well, my voice can be heard too.

17:08

And the absence there is Anthony, where's

17:11

Anthony Davis's voice and all that. That's

17:13

okay. That's just kind of who he is. He's

17:16

just a quieter guy. That's fine. But

17:19

the team is going to very much

17:21

consider his opinion as well

17:23

when they're looking at the head coach position and when

17:25

they're looking at how this roster gets built out. So

17:29

what AD wants, who AD wants, that's going

17:31

to matter. Remember, it was AD who

17:33

I think really kind of put the nail in the

17:35

coffin for Darvin Ham when Anthony Davis said, we don't

17:37

know what we're doing on both ends of the floor.

17:39

Like in the playoffs, AD says, we don't know what

17:42

we're doing on both ends of the floor. I think

17:44

that was it. I think that was the end for

17:46

Darvin. I'm done. Game over. It's over. That's

17:48

it. You can't be in the playoffs and not

17:51

know what you're doing. Period. Right.

17:53

So I think Anthony Davis was ultimately the guy

17:55

who put an end to

17:57

Darvin Ham's coaching tenure with that comment.

18:00

And then Ham's response to it was awful.

18:03

It was not the response he should have had in that moment.

18:05

But Anthony

18:08

Davis is gonna have a say on this. One

18:11

of the things that I'm

18:13

curious about is

18:15

how determined is AD to

18:17

not play center? Because this is something that we've

18:19

talked about a lot over the years. And

18:22

if you go back and you look

18:25

at how often Anthony Davis has played

18:27

center, here's the numbers. With

18:30

the Lakers, Anthony Davis in

18:33

the 2019, 2020 season. So

18:40

the championship season, it was a 60-40 split.

18:43

Anthony Davis was a power forward 60% of the time. And

18:46

he was a center 40% of the time. You

18:49

go to the, the often forgotten 2020,

18:51

2021 season, that

18:53

team was so good. That

18:55

team was so good and they don't get enough

18:58

credit for being so good because Anthony

19:00

Davis got injured in round one against the

19:02

Phoenix Suns. Man, how different does

19:04

life look right now? How

19:06

different do the Lakers look right now if Anthony

19:09

Davis did not get injured in round one against

19:11

the Phoenix Suns? I firmly

19:13

believe the Lakers would have gone

19:15

to the NBA Finals had AD not got injured there.

19:18

They would have gone back to back finals. The

19:21

Suns had no answer for that, no

19:24

answer for AD, that whole series swung when

19:26

AD got injured. That changed the outcome of

19:28

the series completely. Phoenix

19:30

does not survive the Lakers if Anthony Davis

19:33

is healthy. And remember LeBron was

19:35

pretty gimpy, that series too. But that

19:37

team kind of gets forgotten, but they

19:39

were really good. AD,

19:41

91% of his time at power forward, 9%.

19:46

9% at center, now interestingly enough, in that 9%, the

19:49

Lakers were a plus 17 in point

19:51

differential in the minutes Anthony Davis played

19:53

center. Small sample size, I suppose, coming

19:55

in. Then you go to

19:57

the next season, the disastrous. This

20:00

is the season that we don't remember because

20:02

we have actively repressed it with

20:05

alcohol other substances Hypnosis,

20:08

whatever it takes. This was the

20:10

Russell Westbrook season the first Russell

20:12

Westbrook season. We have done everything we can to forget

20:14

this season the 2021 2022

20:16

season Anthony

20:19

Davis 76% of his

20:21

minutes at Center 24%

20:24

at power forward In terms of

20:26

net rating disastrous at both positions, but

20:28

that whole team was a disaster. So it

20:31

is what it is after that 2022

20:34

to last season 99%

20:37

of his minutes at Center This

20:39

season this season 100% of

20:42

his minutes at Center. This is via cleaning

20:44

the glass. So Anthony Davis The

20:47

last time he spent most of his minutes at power forward was the

20:49

2020 2021 season. We all go back to that 2019

20:54

2020 magical season with the exception

20:56

of of course COVID hitting

20:59

and Kobe

21:01

and all the terrible things that

21:03

happened that season the championship season

21:06

6040 split and so I have a lot of people who

21:08

tell me well Anthony Davis doesn't want to play center The

21:11

Lakers need to put him back to

21:13

power forward. The problem is you go

21:15

look at that 2020

21:18

2021 season when he spent 91% of his minutes at power forward

21:24

What was it that allowed him to do that?

21:26

Well, Mark Casal was playing Center

21:30

my mark is all shoots the three Now

21:33

he was a bit more of a reluctant shooter than

21:35

I wanted him to be but Casal shoot He was

21:37

a credible threat to shoot the three

21:40

and that season that was the season that Frank

21:42

Vogel Went to Anthony Davis and said I want

21:45

you shooting publicly said I want you taking more

21:47

threes than ever before His

21:49

threes went down. In fact this season was

21:52

the first season in Five

21:54

years that Anthony Davis's three-point

21:56

attempts have not dropped He

21:59

shot one point 3 threes per game last

22:01

season. He shot 1.4 this season. The

22:04

previous four years, his threes have

22:06

dropped steadily in the championship season,

22:08

3.5 per game the

22:10

next season, 2.8 then

22:13

1.8 then 1.3 and his three

22:15

point percentage has continued to drop until

22:18

it went into an uptick these last two years.

22:21

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24:13

So that's the problem,

24:15

right? People look at the 1920 season,

24:18

the championship season, they say, well clearly,

24:20

look Dwight Howard, Javell McGee, clearly Anthony

24:22

Davis should be a powerful word. We

24:26

forget that he actually spent a lot of

24:28

minutes at center that season. They just started

24:30

Javell and started Dwight with

24:33

AD depending on the matchup and all that.

24:38

The Lakers also closed with Anthony Davis at the

24:40

five, but that was also

24:42

an Anthony Davis that shot 33% from three. Once

24:45

his three point shot started to

24:47

abandon him, the attempts started

24:49

going down and that makes it that much

24:52

more difficult without say a Mark Casale, a

24:54

three point shooting big to put Anthony

24:56

Davis at the four. Like if you put AD on

24:58

the floor right now, shooting,

25:00

I mean, let's say you're shooting

25:02

26% from three, you put them

25:05

on the floor with Andre Drummond, what's

25:07

going to happen? Everybody's going to pack the paint against the

25:09

Lakers. That's all that's going to happen.

25:13

So a lot

25:15

of people are saying Anthony Davis needs to play the five

25:18

or needs to play the four and that

25:20

that's the key to revitalizing the Lakers. I

25:24

don't think that's true. I don't think that's accurate.

25:30

I think that what the Lakers

25:32

need is the flexibility to

25:34

play Anthony Davis at the four in

25:36

the right matchups. I've got people

25:38

telling me a lot of Lakers fans telling me Anthony

25:42

Davis has you need a

25:45

starting center, a true big

25:47

physical starting center starting center.

25:50

That's going to put Anthony Davis to power forward

25:52

the vast majority of the time. That's

25:54

what you need. And I

25:56

don't agree. I don't agree

25:59

because here's the. Here's

26:01

the issue with that. Anthony Davis, if

26:03

this is now AD's team, this is

26:05

his team, Anthony Davis,

26:07

part of his superpower, what

26:09

made him great, not

26:12

just his defense, it's not just what he does

26:14

on the offensive end, it's his versatility. It's the

26:17

ability to play the four or the five. It's

26:19

the ability to play either position. The Lakers

26:22

have largely punted on that ability the

26:24

last couple of seasons. What

26:27

they need is not, let's

26:29

say they could go get a true big

26:33

physical center that's going to demand most of the,

26:35

the name that pops in my head, Yusuf Nurkic.

26:37

Obviously, the Suns aren't getting rid of him, but

26:39

let's say you could get Yusuf Nurkic. You're

26:41

not going to get Yusuf Nurkic to bring him off the bench. He's too

26:43

good for that. You would

26:45

start him, he would play 25 plus

26:47

minutes at the center spot and

26:49

that's going to move Anthony Davis primarily to power

26:52

forward. The problem is the three

26:54

point shooting becomes an issue there. Is

26:57

that really what you need? AD spending

26:59

almost all of his minutes at

27:01

the four? No, because what that's

27:04

going to do is that's going to force you

27:06

to play Anthony Davis at that position, right? Because

27:08

Nurkic is going to be one of your better

27:10

players on the team. You're going to need him

27:12

out there on the floor. That's going to push

27:14

Anthony Davis to the four. What

27:17

you need is the option to

27:19

play Anthony Davis at the four when the matchup calls

27:21

for it. There are some

27:24

matchups where the answer is Anthony Davis

27:26

at the five. The problem is you don't want to

27:28

go into a matchup where the answer is Anthony Davis

27:30

at the five, but we're paying this dude over here

27:32

who's seven feet 270. We're

27:35

paying him 20 million a season, so he's got

27:37

to play because he's one of our best players.

27:39

It's not the best for the matchup, but he's

27:41

got to play. And

27:43

then Anthony Davis is the power forward and you're

27:46

not ideally situated. That's not what you want. That

27:49

is not what you want. What you want is the

27:51

flexibility. That's what the title team had. The title team

27:53

didn't win a title because they moved

27:55

Anthony Davis to the four. The title team

27:57

won a title because they were so damn

27:59

versatile. They could respond to anything

28:01

that an opponent threw at them. That's

28:04

what the secret sauce was

28:06

for that championship team. Hey,

28:08

Houston, you want to play small? Cool. Here's Marky Morris, who's

28:11

going to join a D on the floor, and he's going

28:13

to stretch the floor and be able to shoot the three.

28:15

And we're still going to beat the hell out of you

28:17

in the paint. All right. You want

28:19

to go big Portland? Here's Javell McGee

28:21

Denver. You want to go

28:24

big? All right. We're going to throw Dwight Howard at

28:26

Yocha and see what happens. Right?

28:28

Like that. It was that versatility. Miami,

28:30

you're going to really pester us on the perimeter.

28:33

Guess what? Alex Caruso is a starter now. Here

28:35

you go. Game six. We're going to blow you out. It

28:38

was that versatility that

28:40

was the secret sauce for that team. So

28:43

what the Lakers really need, and I firmly

28:45

believe you cannot exit this summer without

28:47

having a true physical

28:49

big. But I

28:52

would contend that if Anthony Davis is

28:54

the guy on this team now and the

28:56

main concern is what is best for AD.

28:58

What is best for AD is not to

29:01

slot him at the four next to a

29:03

big physical center. He just doesn't shoot the

29:06

three enough to give you the

29:08

floor spacing that you need. What you need,

29:10

though, is a big physical center that can

29:12

be part of your rotation. Not

29:14

a starter, part of your rotation. Not a night in,

29:16

night out. We have to start this guy because we

29:19

paid him X amount of money because this is how

29:21

good he is. You need a guy that can be

29:23

part of your rotation. So who

29:25

is that? Well, it's not an Isaiah Hartenstein. He's

29:27

going to make too much money. And I love Isaiah

29:29

Hartstein. Is that a Jonas Valenschunas? Maybe.

29:32

And again, the Lakers are not expecting them to have

29:34

much in terms of spending power out there on the market. So

29:36

maybe we shouldn't even be talking free agents. It

29:38

should be trade targets. But you

29:40

have to find somebody that gives you the option

29:43

to move AD at the four. But somebody who

29:45

isn't going to get their feelings hurt, who

29:48

isn't going to be offended, who's pride is not

29:50

going to be bruised if they

29:52

do see the better matchup

29:54

for that particular opponent be

29:58

Anthony Davis at the five. That's

30:00

the key. It's having the versatility with

30:02

Anthony Davis. But again, it does appear that

30:04

AD has taken over as the

30:06

guy on this team. And that's

30:08

going to matter in the coaching search. I also

30:10

think it's going to matter for this roster build.

30:13

Okay, let's get into the mailbag

30:15

here. Mailbag by

30:18

him, throw the confetti and get the Turkey

30:20

out. This was coming in the wake of

30:22

Garvin Ham's firing, by the way. Luke

30:26

said, what a Vogel's Lekko. A Vogel reunion,

30:28

I don't think so. One

30:31

of Garvin's problems was he lost the locker room.

30:33

Frank Vogel did the same thing. He also lost

30:36

the locker room at one point. And we heard

30:38

some similar things in Phoenix. And

30:40

by the way, I think Frank Vogel is a very good

30:42

defensive coach. I thought

30:44

he did well with that Lakers team that

30:46

won the championship, was perfectly set up to

30:49

take advantage of his coaching skill set. But

30:52

I don't think Vogel's the guy

30:54

that's going to get through to this team and it's

30:56

going to keep them bought in. All

30:59

the complaints, all the criticism that players just don't

31:01

want to be coached anymore. That

31:03

was the Kendrick Perkins point over

31:05

the weekend. The

31:09

coach has to be able to get the players to buy

31:11

in. As soon as you lose that, that's

31:14

it. It's done. You

31:16

have to have that buy in from

31:19

the players. That said, Perkins was using that as his

31:21

argument for why it was none of what happened to

31:23

the Lakers with Garvin Ham's fault. And that was all

31:26

on the players, which again, I explained over on the

31:28

YouTube channel why he is laughably,

31:30

hilariously wrong about that. But Miguel Zambrano

31:32

said, I like Terry Stott's for the

31:34

simple fact that he's a proven history

31:36

of playing two bigs together

31:38

in the post. And that's fine.

31:41

It doesn't, his name hasn't popped up yet. Maybe

31:44

it will. I don't know where he's at. Like what does

31:46

he want to do? Obviously, he was

31:48

an assistant under Adrian Griffin last year that

31:51

didn't even make it to the season. That

31:53

relationship blew up before the season even started. So

31:57

yeah, I don't know where. his

32:00

heads at in terms of the coaching situation.

32:03

E-Sham hiring LeBron's

32:05

minion, JK Riddick to coach

32:07

is a mistake. It

32:09

might be, I mean, you look at the recent history of

32:12

players with no coaching experience going and

32:15

becoming coaches. It's

32:17

not great. It's not great. Steve

32:21

Kerr obviously is an exception.

32:24

I'm sure I don't recall if Steve Kerr

32:26

had some experiences in the system or not,

32:28

but obviously he was the GM of the

32:30

Suns for a little bit, plenty of broadcast

32:32

experience, but you look at, you know, Derek

32:34

Fisher, that

32:36

obviously didn't work out. Steve Nash, that didn't work out.

32:42

I'll be surprised if it's JJ Riddick because

32:46

I think the Lakers have an understanding that

32:48

this is a really tough job and you're

32:50

almost setting somebody up to fail. If you

32:52

put them in, like you have to be

32:54

convinced that this is the

32:57

dude that can overcome all

32:59

of these obstacles that present themselves to somebody who

33:01

has no head coaching experience. By the way, I

33:03

also want to say this. Get

33:07

it right, Lakers, whoever it is,

33:09

get it right. You have to get

33:11

it right. You have to. You

33:13

look at the turnover, the Lakers head coaching position

33:16

for over the last decade and

33:20

it's alarming. It's concerning. You

33:23

have to get this right. And I know

33:25

the Lakers understand there's a benefit to having

33:27

the stability of a longtime

33:30

head coach. There's a real benefit to that. And

33:33

the Lakers, they have not been able to find that

33:35

since Phil Jackson. They haven't been able to find it.

33:38

It's been one guy after another, after another. It's just

33:40

been this revolving door of guys that

33:42

haven't quite been the right fit. And part of that is

33:44

the nature of the beast. Part of that is the nature

33:46

of the head coaching position with the

33:48

Los Angeles Lakers. It's again, a heavily scrutinized

33:50

position because, hey, much, much to the dismay

33:52

of Darwin him. We live and die with

33:55

every game we do Lakers

33:57

nation. That's just that. That's a fact. We

33:59

live in. I with every game. It's part of what

34:01

makes the organization great. It's part of what makes

34:03

the fan base great. But

34:06

it's also a challenge. It's a real

34:08

challenge for coaches in that position. I'll

34:11

tell you this, if I was the Lakers head

34:13

coach, I am deleting all my social media accounts.

34:16

Immediately. I'm not reading

34:18

anything about my job performance on

34:20

social media. Because my goodness, the roller coaster you'd

34:22

be on, I wonder if Garvin was by the

34:24

way, the way he was like responding to things

34:27

makes me think maybe he got a little wrapped up in kind

34:30

of what the conversation and you can't do that if you're the

34:32

head coach, but the Lakers have to get

34:34

it right. But they have to put a

34:36

stop to this cycle of a coach last a couple of seasons

34:38

and then they fire him and they move on. They

34:40

got to put a stop to that. They have to

34:43

find the guy. I

34:45

just hope the guy is out there. So I'll be

34:47

honest, every candidate right now that

34:50

look at has some serious drawbacks.

34:53

There's serious drawbacks. Every candidate, Mike

34:55

Boudinhoser, Darvin Ham

34:58

senior, right? Similar schemes.

35:00

Kenny Atkinson, is he that good of a

35:03

head coach to begin with? When

35:05

he just kept his job in Brooklyn, you know,

35:07

I mean, I thought he did some good things

35:10

there, but is he really that kind of

35:12

next level head coach, Charles Lee? Well, he's got

35:14

that Boston stank on him. I mean, Frank Vogel

35:16

came from a Boston tree too, and I'm partially

35:19

just taking a shot of the Celtics there, but is

35:22

he, we haven't seen him as a head coach. What does that

35:24

look like? JJ Rettick. I

35:27

mean, like literally, what was it? Two months

35:29

ago, probably? Was anybody talking about

35:31

JJ Rettick being a head coach, like seriously talking

35:33

about him being a head coach? Probably

35:36

not. There's

35:39

a lot of question marks with the group

35:42

that's available to the Lakers.

35:45

Any chance the Blazers trade Rob

35:47

Will or Grant?

35:51

Robert Williams, you know, obviously recovering from an

35:53

injury, he'd be an incredible combo with,

35:56

uh, with Anthony Davis defensively. Obviously you

35:59

have the concern. in terms of the

36:01

floor spacing, also major injury concerns. Jeremy

36:04

Grant, if you're gonna go all in for somebody,

36:11

which I think they would have to, to get Jeremy Grant. Maybe

36:14

not to the degree, I mean definitely not, to the same degree

36:16

that you'd have to go all in to get Donovan

36:19

Mitchell or even to get a Trey Young

36:21

or somebody like that, but Jeremy Grant is

36:23

older, he's in his 30s already, massive contract.

36:27

Like if you're gonna surrender the assets that you need

36:29

to get this player, whoever the third star

36:31

is going to be, this

36:36

is your shot, you get one chance at

36:38

it, right? So

36:40

you have to be convinced, if

36:43

you're gonna pay the price that it's gonna take, you're

36:45

gonna be convinced that this is the guy now

36:47

and in the future. I don't

36:49

know if that can be said of Jeremy Grant, he's

36:52

a great player, if you could get him for assets

36:54

that are not

36:56

long-term, big time, these are the best

36:59

assets we've got type things. If

37:01

you can get him for 50 cents on the

37:05

dollar or whatever because it was

37:07

a big contract, okay, I'm more open to it.

37:10

But I think the other thing we have to keep in

37:12

mind is that it's like a source of pride for the

37:14

Blazers that they've never traded with the Lakers, like in their

37:16

history, never traded with the Lakers. So I'm not gonna predict

37:19

that the, again, we tend to,

37:21

from the Lakers viewpoint, oh

37:25

yeah, it's the Blazers, whatever, we'll trade with them.

37:28

The Blazers look at, if

37:30

they see Lakers on their call ID,

37:33

I mean, the blood starts boiling, right?

37:37

Like, the Blazers, their fans, they

37:40

hate the Lakers with

37:42

a passion, they see the Lakers as like

37:44

their big rival, which

37:46

is not true, like I don't

37:48

really care about the Blazers or

37:52

the Kings or even the Warriors

37:54

to a degree, right? I mean, can Warriors

37:56

fans be annoying? Yeah, but do

37:58

I see the Warriors as some big? rival of the

38:00

Lakers? No, not really. It's

38:03

really, it's the Clippers and the Celtics and

38:05

that's it. And the Clippers just because they're

38:07

a hometown annoyance that just will never leave.

38:10

And the Celtics because it's the

38:12

Celtics, right? I mean that's

38:14

it. Are the Suns like

38:16

some crazy rival? No. The Nuggets, even though

38:18

they've beat the Lakers last couple of years,

38:21

I don't look at the Nuggets like I would be

38:23

super if it was Nuggets, Celtics in the

38:25

finals, give me a nugget, give me

38:28

a Jamal Murray jersey. I'm

38:30

putting that thing on. Not even

38:32

close. Not close. So

38:36

you've got these teams out there that see the Lakers

38:38

is like, oh, this is our major enemy, you know?

38:41

And that was the whole thing with Denver, right?

38:43

You had what Denver media that was putting out, you

38:46

know, the decades-long rivalry with the Lakers

38:48

and everything. We're like, what are you

38:50

talking about? What rivalry? What?

38:52

That's the

38:54

way it is. That's the way it is with the

38:56

Lakers. And so

38:59

the Blazers, I think, when we're looking at would

39:01

they trade Jeremy Grant, throw Malcolm Brogdon in the

39:03

mix too, they're probably gonna want to trade to

39:05

anybody other than the Lakers initially.

39:08

Teddy said, can we afford slash do

39:10

we want Jonas Valentrunez? It

39:13

depends on the price. Like if the Lakers

39:15

had, I don't know if they will, but

39:17

if they have a taxpayer MLE, which is

39:19

gonna be like 5 million bucks, and Jonas

39:22

was interested, I'm down.

39:24

I mean, he's been, he's a

39:26

guy that I've respected. He's been a favorite

39:28

of mine for a long time.

39:30

Probably, I probably have an outsized

39:33

view. I probably overrate Jonas

39:35

Valentrunez, I'll be honest. I probably overrate

39:37

him. There's something nostalgic. There's something that

39:40

I appreciate about the throwback type

39:42

center that just bruises people in the

39:44

paint. I don't think, I

39:47

think at this stage, and we saw it with the Pelicans, the

39:50

Pelicans pulled him in like three minutes against the Lakers

39:52

because the Lakers played him off the floor. I think

39:54

now he is a matchup

39:56

dependent guy. I think that's what he

39:58

is in the NBA now. him every

40:00

single night. So if you're going to pay him an

40:03

MLE like 12 million bucks, 13

40:05

million, that's that you're saying I'm going

40:07

to play him every single night. That's what the money

40:09

says. And I don't think he can be that if

40:12

he gets that from another team, great. If

40:14

I'm the Lakers, and I can get him for a taxpayer

40:16

MLE, which I'm not even sure the Lakers are going to

40:18

have. Okay, that kind of

40:21

money says he may not be an every

40:23

night player. I

40:25

played 10 minutes other nights, he's going to

40:27

play 25. It depends on what the matchup dictates

40:30

that I'm fine with. I'd be

40:33

fine with that. And I think he'd be just

40:35

a big physical. Come

40:59

or just stop by Granger for

41:01

the ones who get it done. Buffer

41:09

for Anthony Davis, right? He's the

41:11

guy that can absorb the contact,

41:13

the physical punishment of some of

41:15

the other bigs in the NBA

41:17

that are going to really try to go at a guy

41:19

like Anthony Davis and try to put a hurt on him.

41:21

So I'd have no problem with that. But the

41:23

money is what I'd be

41:25

concerned about. And a

41:28

two star team with great depth versus a three star

41:31

team with shaky depth. We've talked

41:33

a lot about that. I think so much of it depends on

41:35

who is the third star in that situation.

41:38

Who is it? That's the third star. All

41:40

right. Wicked Bronco said, if

41:43

you're the Lakers, you must write the wrong and

41:46

do whatever it takes to get Tyler. In my

41:48

opinion, the roster isn't the issue. The coaching is

41:50

if you had Tyler, we are up three two

41:52

on Denver. I kind of agree with that. Like

41:55

how much of the Denver series was Mike

41:58

Malone out? Maneuvered Garmin

42:01

ham they get decent

42:03

part of it. I think you can make

42:05

the especially given how close the games were anyway With

42:09

the Lakers been up 3-2 against Denver Maybe

42:15

Maybe at the very least they're

42:17

down 3-2 Right

42:19

at the very least They're not

42:21

losing 4-1 They're going

42:23

to game six Let

42:26

Prince and cam walk Re-sign

42:30

Max Christie. So here's the problem with

42:33

Prince Darvins game Princess

42:36

Darvins guy I have to imagine Darvins

42:39

being the coaches part of the reason why Torian Prince came

42:41

to LA to begin with So what

42:43

do you do? If you're

42:45

Torian Prince, I would have no problem

42:47

with the Lakers keeping Torian as a reserve

42:50

wing great No issues and that

42:52

price tag. Yes, sign me up No

42:55

problem with that four and a half million dollars, please. He

42:58

was just fine wasn't his fault

43:00

but Darvin put him into a starting spot and asked

43:02

him to be a point of attack defender and do

43:04

things that were just outside

43:06

of his wheelhouse Torian Prince

43:08

on his contract in a reserve role

43:12

30 teams should be happy to have him

43:14

in that situation The question is with

43:17

a new coach does Torian feel it's comfortable coming

43:19

back or does he if Darvin hams

43:21

no longer the coach Does he say well, I've

43:24

got a bunch of teams that would pay me this money And

43:27

do I want to look elsewhere? We'll

43:29

see the other thing when it comes to

43:31

you know letting go of Cam

43:34

reddish say He

43:37

is a player option He

43:39

gets to decide if he's under contract with the Lakers

43:42

next year or not Same thing with Christian woods same

43:44

thing with Jackson Hayes So just

43:46

like we're gonna be waiting for LeBron's decision with his

43:48

player option Daniel Russell's decision with

43:50

his player option. We also need to wait

43:52

for Christian wood

43:54

cam reddish Jackson Hayes now

43:57

their minimums. I don't have a problem if

43:59

they pick up that option because they're minimums.

44:02

Who cares, right? Like if they're, if

44:04

you get Christian Wood on a minimum, great. I

44:07

know it didn't work out perfectly this year. No, but

44:09

he's probably more talented than most minimum players are. So

44:11

no problem with him sticking around. You still have to

44:13

get another big, but no problem with that. Jackson Hayes,

44:15

I think he did enough good things. Sure.

44:19

Hang on to him. You can always throw them into a

44:21

trade some point there on minimum deals. Cam

44:23

Reddish though, is the guy

44:25

where of those three, I

44:28

think Christian Wood on a minimum, he

44:31

could get a minimum somewhere else. I

44:33

think he could may, he may not have 29 other

44:35

teams lining up to give him that, but

44:38

he could get that deal somewhere else. I think Jackson

44:40

Hayes did enough this year to where he could get

44:42

that deal somewhere else. If he wants, I

44:44

don't know about cam. He spent so

44:46

much of the season injured. I

44:50

don't know if that minimum exists somewhere else for

44:52

cam reddish or not. Maybe it does, but

44:54

I would have to imagine it's not the

44:57

number of teams that would be willing to give him that

44:59

minimum. It's not in the double digits. So

45:02

I wonder if cam picks up the minimum, even

45:04

though he's a Darwin him guy simply because he

45:08

doesn't have another option. That's

45:11

going to be something I'll be keeping an eye on this

45:13

summer. Uh, Antom said we definitely

45:15

need to make a few moves, but with a

45:17

halfway competitive coach or competent

45:19

coach, this team is much better. Mark

45:21

Jackson, Ty Lou, I like JJ, but

45:23

he hasn't even been an assistant in

45:25

coaching interview JJ, but he's a no

45:27

in my opinion. Like it's fair if

45:29

you again, the interview matters more for

45:32

JJ Reddick than anyone else. And

45:34

by the way, absolutely interview him 100%. It

45:38

doesn't hurt you at all. The interview, you

45:40

know, who knows? Maybe he blows you away and

45:42

you go, Oh my gosh, this guy is next

45:44

level. This guy's got

45:47

it. All of our concerns

45:49

are completely evaporated and

45:51

this needs to be the guest. Maybe is that

45:53

likely? No. But you're

45:55

not going to know unless you interview him, definitely

45:57

interview him, right? Find out. But

46:00

the interview matters more for him than anyone else

46:02

by a lot Because he

46:04

has to alleviate all those concerns and that's

46:06

not gonna be easy to do Alright

46:10

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46:18

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46:22

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