0:00

Look Mayre.

0:02

Oh, I see you my own look

0:04

over there is that culture? Yes,

0:07

wow, lost culture ding

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Dong Lost Culturesa's calling.

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Well, you have a mug that will

0:16

be relevant to our discussion

0:19

later of the years. We're back on track,

0:21

Thank goodness.

0:22

You know about my thing with mugs, right, I have a collection

0:24

of mugs like coffee mugs people.

0:27

I think most people have a collection of

0:29

us.

0:30

I don't know if that's what you need to you, but

0:32

not everyone has a theme for their mugs, is what

0:34

I'm saying. You know about my thing is.

0:36

The theme mugs? What is the theme?

0:38

No, the theme of my mug collection

0:41

is the movies, theme

0:43

park attractions. I always go

0:45

to the gifts shop and I always

0:47

get if I enjoyed a ride our attraction, I

0:49

get the theme park mug. And so today I'm

0:52

drinking coffee out of my Jurassic Park

0:55

mug from Universal

0:57

Studios.

0:58

I think it's funny the Jurassic Park

1:00

is itself a theme park. But can I

1:02

apologize to you right up top?

1:04

Yeah?

1:05

M hm, I'm sorry, my sister for

1:08

making light of your really beautiful curation

1:11

of mugs. I did not mean

1:13

to undermine you

1:15

have a really intentional, beautiful theme that

1:17

is so you and so true to this

1:20

and new to this. It's hold

1:24

on, hold on, You're true to this.

1:26

I'm not new to this. I'm true to this. Do

1:29

you have anything that you sort of collect? I know the

1:31

answer, But tell everyone about your collection.

1:34

What's the answer. What do you think it is? I want

1:36

you to say, does it have to do with a certain food

1:38

item?

1:39

Yes?

1:39

I collect two things.

1:40

Now tell them about your collection, Tell them about your

1:42

tastes, styles, and aesthetics and value.

1:44

I'm gonna start with the more sort of the

1:48

drier one, and then I'm gonna go

1:50

to the more fun one. The the

1:52

more sort of like immediately

1:54

meaningful one is horses, because

1:57

we're still a lunine or happy lunineer.

1:59

To you, thank you, sister, and to

2:01

you.

2:02

My fellow horse. I collect horses.

2:04

I have horse figurines throughout my apartment. My

2:06

mom will always bring a horse to me, a

2:08

little horse thing every

2:10

year. To me. I think I'm filled

2:13

to the brim with horse.

2:15

Is it an auspicious animal?

2:19

I think so? I think

2:21

so. Wouldn't you agree, I would

2:23

say, I would say. And then

2:25

my other thing, which I think is what you were thinking,

2:28

I would say, are my tomatoes? I have little

2:30

tomatoes throughout the house.

2:31

Can I say? Bowen has the

2:34

best smelling hand wash

2:36

I have ever encountered in certainly

2:40

a friend's dwellings, maybe

2:42

even in the wild at large, Like I've never

2:44

what is it? Where's it from?

2:46

It's they do?

2:48

They do? Tomato leaves hand soap.

2:51

Tomato leaves hand soap. And when I first

2:53

saw it, I said, now I'm not going to be leaving

2:55

this bathroom with my hands smelling of tomatoes.

2:59

And then you do it. Oh, and by oh

3:01

god, it is so good.

3:04

Yes, Becca, it does sound good. Beca's chiming

3:06

in and it's chic. And

3:09

then I have my pencil holders

3:11

are tomato cans, yep.

3:14

And then I have a tomato drawing that

3:16

I framed that I drew.

3:18

What draws used?

3:20

What draw what draw drew?

3:21

What draws you to Torando's What drew you to tomatoes?

3:23

Like? What is it about tomatoes that made you say? I

3:26

want to remember.

3:27

Her when I was a kid

3:29

and into my adulthood in

3:32

my thirties. Still, you

3:34

know, I guess this doesn't happen as much anymore,

3:36

But remember when you were a kid growing up, and someone'd be

3:38

like, I can read your mind. Think

3:40

of something like when someone tells you to think of something mm

3:43

hmm, Like the first thing you think

3:45

of when blank, In any situation where someone

3:47

tells me, what's the first thing you think of when

3:50

blah blah blah. No matter what the condition

3:52

is, I think of tomatoes. Oh,

3:54

it is the thing that like pops in. And

3:57

it's so interesting that you hate them.

3:59

It's not that I hate them, It's just that I don't like them

4:01

plain. But maybe maybe

4:05

is the fates. I love tomato sauce,

4:07

I love tomato soup. Maybe what's

4:09

happening is the fit love Ketchup.

4:12

Not crazy. I mean, like the way I just said

4:14

that, people would think I'm some sort of like freak

4:16

for Ketchup like Ketchup.

4:17

No, you just like you like lekopede, you

4:19

like the nutrients in the tomato leaf

4:22

in the plant.

4:23

I think that's what it is. But something about

4:25

tomatoes by themselves, like I can't

4:27

like if I'm ever eating a salad and there's tomatoes

4:30

and them, you will see them there at the end. They will get

4:32

thrown out. I often ask for no tomatoes. I

4:34

certainly think that what

4:36

chases me away from certain burgers is the

4:38

fact that the presence of tomatoes is

4:40

highly likely or even the thought

4:43

of even the thought of tomatoes being on

4:45

them will make me completely invalidate at

4:47

McDonald's menu item, I famously will never

4:49

even touch a Big Mac because I think there's

4:51

tomatoes on them, even though you.

4:54

Are going forward

4:56

that they will never be once

5:00

again, there will never be a tomato

5:02

and a Big Max. So you can order them,

5:04

you're safe.

5:06

Why won't you do it? Because I

5:08

just I've made my decision about this, Okay,

5:11

it is what it is. Crazy. This

5:14

is crazy. Oh and then maybe your love of tomatoes

5:16

is maybe there's a reason why we are the besties

5:19

that we are because the Faith said he is

5:21

going to teach him about tomatoes. This no,

5:27

this is what's gonna happen. Is basically like we

5:29

are friends, close friends. Twenty

5:32

years later we become

5:34

friends. No, that would mean we take a break.

5:36

Just in twenty years. Something's gonna happen with tomatoes. That's

5:38

our this is me now.

5:39

That's our motorcycle accident in the desert or wherever

5:42

they're in the icy desert and the icy desert

5:44

Okay, can I really quickly just before we talk about j Lo.

5:47

The other thing about tomatoes that is really sort of

5:49

imprinted is that when I was little,

5:51

my mom would cut

5:53

up, slice up tomato and

5:55

then sprinkle sugar over it

5:58

and put it in a plate sort

6:00

of like Nobu style, as

6:02

if it was like a delicious fish,

6:05

and then my sister and I would eat it would be like an afternoon

6:07

snack, and like tomatoes and scrambled eggs such

6:09

like staple like Chinese like college student

6:11

dish that like really like It's

6:14

like tomatoes are so important

6:16

across the world, and I think tomatoes.

6:19

I think the Italians gave the Chinese tomatoes,

6:22

and the Chinese gave Italians noodles,

6:24

and so like Hiki, we gave

6:26

Marco Polo pasta, and

6:29

we as in China. I'm like aligning with China

6:31

in this, and Marco Polo gave China

6:34

tomatoes. I think, wow, maybe we gave

6:36

both. I think we gave Italians a lot,

6:38

and that's a rule of culture. I think China

6:40

gave Italians a lot, including

6:43

COVID, including co. The

6:45

cultural exchange that we're talking about here

6:48

is so beautiful, yes, and

6:50

I love to see that there's a Chinese and

6:53

of someone that people think is Italian here

6:55

in the I was gonna say, people and

6:57

I dead ass thought you were Italian when we first

6:59

met. I like, there's something Italian about it. Turns

7:01

out it was just the longest a lot of.

7:03

Very Italian things about me. I think my general

7:05

demeanor from being of Long

7:07

Island is a little Italian, gives a little Italian.

7:10

I think my complexion gives a little Italian because

7:12

there's some olive tone, there's

7:14

some Mediterranean then there. Yeah,

7:16

for sure. I certainly whenever anyone

7:18

accuses me or says Italian,

7:21

I say, I understand, I understand. It's

7:24

like when anyone ever comes up and goes, you're

7:26

Ryan, right, or Chris, or you're justin

7:28

or aren't you James. It's like, yeah,

7:30

basically.

7:31

Is that what you say to them?

7:33

I don't like that as a joke. I often

7:35

go, well, we're all the same. No.

7:38

I think from this point on, after this

7:40

week, if anyone says you're Ryan,

7:43

you're justin, you're that person, right, you go, Vin.

7:45

This is me, not.

7:50

Oh my god, this is me, Matt,

7:52

that's the title of that. No,

7:56

No, this is me dot

7:58

dot dott.

7:59

This is me, Matt

8:02

slash Bowen slash Bowen. Did

8:04

you get a chance to watch the film?

8:06

I did?

8:07

I did?

8:08

And can we just give

8:11

it up for this duo of

8:13

Jlo and Dave Myers, who have

8:15

worked together for truly decades. What

8:17

a beautiful I kind of love that part

8:19

the most is that very two people

8:21

who very lasting. These are two people who trust

8:24

each other's visions so much. I

8:26

was just watching it the whole time, going, you

8:28

know, thank God, something

8:31

like this is getting made.

8:32

Yep, even though she had to pay for it herself.

8:35

Oh is that right? Yeah, So she basically

8:38

like in the many dozens

8:40

of interviews I've been watching with her, because I've

8:42

now sort of I mean, I was on Jlo's

8:44

Wikipedia last night, like I was like going through

8:47

it. And also so much has to be said about

8:49

Jlo, Like I feel like right now, it's a little

8:51

bit of it's a little bit of a fraught moment right

8:53

now, because she is literally everywhere.

8:55

She got the new album, and a lot of people have certain

8:58

things to say about like the Ison

9:00

original and the fact that like you know, it's

9:02

meta on meta, self aware, on selfware, like a lot

9:04

of people always have everything to say about

9:06

her, and you know that's by

9:09

virtue of who she is, correct, And

9:11

what I really like watching about these things is it's

9:13

kind of like seeing just an artist go completely

9:16

unchecked and say exactly

9:18

what they want to say. Yeah, and in doing so

9:20

they reveal a lot about themselves.

9:23

And I feel like what Jennifer Lopez

9:25

has revealed about herself ultimately

9:28

is this like I'm a hopeless

9:30

romantic thing, like I'm a rom com queen

9:33

thing, like I'm Jenny from the Block

9:35

thing, Like it can all sort

9:37

of be, you know,

9:40

narrowed down to the fact that she's just like

9:42

she's just a lady. She's just a basic lady

9:44

like everything like anyone else. She happens to

9:47

be incredibly talented, but at the

9:49

end of the day, what she thinks about a romance

9:51

and astrology and her husband and

9:54

like that is truly universal.

9:57

I think it's beautiful. I think the fact that

9:59

she said, you know, so what, I'm gonna put twenty

10:01

million dollars into

10:03

this thing where ultimately

10:06

it's kind of about like my astrology guides

10:09

is so revolutionary

10:11

basic woman that I'm

10:13

I'm truly obsessed like and I do

10:16

think that her mass appeal is

10:18

so on display here because

10:20

anyone could watch this and even though it's completely

10:22

insane, like emotionally, you can

10:25

understand every beatavent Oh absolutely.

10:27

Is it high art? No, but

10:30

it's populist, it's j LO and

10:32

you know she made it because I genuinely

10:35

think she believes people

10:37

will A understand me better after

10:39

this and B be able to know

10:41

what I'm talking about because we all want love and

10:44

we're all hopeless romantics in some form. That's

10:46

really it. She provided this entertainment.

10:49

Is it Grammy Oscar whatever? Winning?

10:51

Is it a little goofy, a lot goofy

10:53

at times? Yes, but she fucking

10:55

went for it and I was high as a kite

10:58

and I lived my life watching this.

11:00

Oh great. I don't think there's like an

11:02

unintentional goofiness about any

11:04

of it. I think she's like the whole. Like all the

11:06

Zodiac guides sayings were

11:10

played for comedy, the wedding was basically

11:12

played for comedy in a way, and

11:14

sort of like poignantly shot and like really

11:16

well edited, I think. And I

11:18

just have to say my main takeaway was,

11:21

aside from the things that you've just laid out, which

11:23

is what she wants us to know, is

11:26

that she loves love and that's

11:28

it, not that, but that that is like her

11:30

essence. But I also am

11:33

just thinking to myself the entire

11:35

sixty minutes of this film, thinking,

11:39

God, she's so compelling

11:41

to watch. She's such a good

11:43

actor, she is such

11:46

a good dancer, and the vocals

11:48

she's like delivering what she

11:50

has to deliver as it complements

11:52

the rest of this work, and I think

11:55

that is beautiful. I don't

11:57

think she was being too lofty

12:00

in what she was trying to do here. I think she

12:02

kind of accomplished everything she had to do.

12:04

I think that, like in terms of her voice,

12:07

what she has is a sound that I think is pretty

12:09

identifiable, and even in

12:11

looking into her from the very beginning, because I

12:13

was really in the Wikipedia last night,

12:15

like going back to her first album, on the six, Don't

12:19

disrespect on the six, Like on the

12:21

six was great. On the six had

12:23

hits. On the six was at the forefront

12:25

of what they call and I think that some people

12:28

take some exception to this, like including the people

12:30

involved, but like that Latin pop

12:32

explosion, like that she was the forefront

12:34

of that. Ricky was at the forefront of that.

12:36

Enrique was at the forefront of like she

12:39

really like was part of

12:41

creating a very popular

12:43

sound, and a lot of those songs

12:45

hold up, like when you hear waiting for

12:47

Tonight now when You're out, it's

12:50

a moment everyone everyone

12:53

pays respects, and just going

12:55

back to that like that was a

12:57

huge risk. And that's something that I I

13:00

think doesn't get said about her enough

13:02

is that pretty much everything she does,

13:04

because she is so watched and so deliberated,

13:09

everything she does is a huge risk. So being this

13:11

like established movie star going into

13:13

full pop star, not even ironic pop

13:15

star, not even singer, going into a

13:18

full attempt at a ten out of ten pop

13:20

star marquee idol was

13:22

a huge risk, and she pulled it off. And she is

13:25

consistently more than anyone else

13:27

in our culture gone between

13:29

those identities of the triple threat thing,

13:31

she really walks the walk.

13:34

Think about this hugely

13:36

successful recording artist in multiple genres,

13:39

hugely successful actor in multiple

13:42

genres and media in terms of film

13:44

and television. The fact that she had shades

13:46

of blue, like yeah, not even

13:49

ten years ago, is that she did

13:51

like a procedural show

13:54

in her career sort of lifespan

13:57

is wild to me, and I

13:59

like, you must respect you

14:01

simply must literally that

14:03

love question Mark as an album, like

14:05

jettisending her into like performing

14:08

at the World Cup. It's like, this is an international

14:11

entertainer, literally world

14:13

class superstar. She is

14:15

one of our best. You must

14:18

acknowledge, you must acknowledge and respect

14:21

her. Watching Barbera in the movie that is real

14:24

because I remember when she came to HOSTESSNL. I sat

14:26

down next to her in the post pitch meeting.

14:28

She was clutching before anyone else had the coach barbar

14:31

streisand collection clutching her

14:33

barber streisand bag, and I was

14:35

like, oh, I love that. She goes thank you, she strokes

14:37

and she goes funny girl. Like

14:39

she goes funny girl. I'm like, oh, I sin now like

14:41

she like wore Barbara the entire week

14:44

because she was hosting, and it was like, bitch,

14:46

go off, go off, and

14:48

Jaylo is funny. You have

14:50

to say that too. I have

14:53

all these imperatives. I'm making all these imperatives,

14:55

like Jlo is fucking funny.

14:57

When you look at the filmography, though, like this

15:00

very rapidly became what. I don't think anyone thought

15:02

it was going to become which was a j low Stan episode.

15:05

But like, you look at her filmography,

15:07

and first of all, if you don't think that the fact that

15:09

she was in Shades of Blue was the last thing I thought

15:11

about last night before I closed my eyes, you are

15:13

deeply mistaken. I literally I got

15:15

through Wikipedia. I was watching interviews

15:17

with her till so late. She was on Kelly clarksondly

15:20

give her like twenty minutes. I watched like both for Zay

15:22

and low Apple interviews, like I was been

15:24

in Wendy Williams like ten times. Wendy loves

15:26

her. Yeah, but I'm talking about this press cycle

15:28

in particular. This mama was very

15:31

ware. She was talking

15:34

about.

15:34

The project, and she's very winning on every

15:36

talk show.

15:37

She's very relaxed, and it feels like she's

15:40

really confident about what she's made. And it feels

15:42

like, also she must have genuinely

15:44

checked out of caring

15:47

about what people think about her.

15:49

And we're in because she's out there like

15:52

pretty much just laying at baar like

15:54

about what this is and why it is, et

15:57

cetera. But I was looking at her filmography

15:59

and it really is the versatility

16:02

is there? I mean, you forget about what she was doing in

16:04

the late nineties or late two thousands, like she

16:06

was in out of sight, you know she and

16:09

also not for nothing, but god,

16:11

I have.

16:11

To stop saying that phrase. But no, don't, don't,

16:13

don't ever stuff.

16:14

From the very beginning of her career, pretty

16:16

much she was not only like exemplifying

16:19

her talent in all these different ways, but she was setting

16:22

trends left and

16:24

right, like, for example, the

16:27

juicy tracksuit thing, the hoops,

16:29

the newsboy caps, like that

16:32

was pretty much all.

16:33

Over the neckline.

16:34

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was reading on her Wikipedia

16:37

that there's something about the way that

16:39

she impacts culture and style

16:41

trends. For example, like her celebrity

16:44

fragrance basically created the idea

16:46

of the mainstream celebrity fragrance. Like there

16:48

was obviously Elizabeth Taylor, and

16:51

then Glow by j Low was the first one

16:53

that was like I remember my mom getting Glow by Jay

16:55

Looh, my mother, you know what I mean.

16:57

I think her count on her fragrances is like

16:59

she's she's over two billion of them.

17:01

Oh yes, yes, yes, yes, she sold like she's

17:03

moved that many skews, but I'm saying, like twenty

17:06

fragrances in the line.

17:08

Oh right, And what I'm saying is like her

17:11

impact on culture is

17:13

not a joke, Like it's pretty

17:16

much always been that way too, And

17:18

for example the Versace dress,

17:20

like that's just like an isolated moment

17:22

in time. But these are things

17:25

that are like really

17:27

lasting in the culture, and they came from

17:29

one person and that person.

17:31

Who fool images came from one person.

17:33

Really and also someone

17:36

who could have so many times

17:38

been so identifiable with

17:40

an era like Jlo could

17:42

have just been an early two

17:44

thousands thing like one hundred

17:47

percent, Like there's no reason why she

17:49

shouldn't have been done done and ben Affleck

17:52

too, after the benefit of it

17:54

all, after Jilie, after like the

17:56

p Diddy of it all, after so many things

17:58

went down, or her career and

18:01

how big she was, there's

18:03

no reason why that shouldn't end. But it has

18:05

lasted because of her talent and her talent

18:07

alone. So when she gets ultimately

18:10

to this point in her career where she's like, I'm putting

18:12

a ton of money into this thing that

18:14

I want to say, I have to stand

18:16

up and applaud that because not a lot of

18:18

people get that opportunity, and

18:21

not a lot of people get to execute that opportunity.

18:23

M h. And who's to say if it's done

18:26

the way people would want it to be done, Like, it's

18:28

not necessarily I don't think it's like, yeah,

18:30

I guess what I'm saying is like it

18:32

doesn't have like the kindest reviews. But

18:35

I think it's like beside the point.

18:37

I think this is the thing about j Loo

18:39

too, she didn't care. Is that if

18:41

she doesn't care, amazing, But it's

18:43

like the audience doesn't care. Yeah,

18:46

we're watching this, like this was all anybody

18:48

was talking about with me this weekend, and it was

18:51

no one said a peep about the reviews.

18:53

Everyone was just like it's insane,

18:55

it's amazing. It's crazy. It's that I mean, like

18:58

it was it really ran the game of like it

19:00

didn't matter if someone told me if someone thought it

19:02

was bad, I would just be like, oh, I thought it was so

19:06

out there that I kind of had to love

19:08

it, you know.

19:09

Yeah.

19:09

But that's the Jlo thing too, where like she

19:12

transcends any kind of

19:14

critical evaluation

19:17

in terms of the broader cultural impact.

19:19

If one fucking idiot doesn't like

19:21

what she fit's out, it doesn't matter.

19:24

Yeah, And I don't know if that's like admirable

19:27

necessarily. I just think like, this is the reality

19:29

and this is what we're dealing with. So it's like it's

19:31

like you're saying, it's besides the point, I think. And

19:33

she did one of the best super Bowls, one

19:36

of the best super Bowls.

19:38

Absolutely one of the best super Bowls. And I remember

19:40

like when she came out at

19:42

the top of her super Bowl performance, like

19:44

after Shakira did her thing, she was also amazing.

19:47

You see Jlo where you're just like absolutely,

19:50

hell, yeah, there, she is a superstar.

19:53

We were all free Larson weeping

19:56

at the Golden Globes at that moment.

20:00

Yeah. And people can interpret

20:02

this, j Loo love

20:05

how they want. Thoughts about

20:07

what is your interpretation about the

20:10

accident in the beginning of the film spoiler

20:12

alert, by the way.

20:13

Spoiler alone for this is me now. Yeah,

20:16

I think that the motorcycle

20:18

accident on the icy desert basically

20:21

symbolizes her and Ben flying too

20:23

close to the sun. I mean I think they were going

20:25

too fast, too dangerous,

20:27

like they basically they

20:30

lost control. Okay, Yeah,

20:32

and that was what broke her heart well,

20:35

she talks about this pretty candidly too, like in the interviews,

20:38

like the Jlo and Ben thing basically

20:41

was so heartbreaking because it

20:43

wasn't the fact that they didn't

20:45

love each other. It was the fact that

20:48

they couldn't handle everything

20:51

around them, how intense, like how intense

20:53

it was, how negative people were, how much

20:55

people seem to not want them

20:57

to make it, Oh, how dis

21:00

respectful people were to her and

21:02

to him by nature of

21:04

them being together, because remember they were both

21:07

trash for being together. And these

21:09

are two you know, you can be a

21:11

fan or not, but these are two

21:13

incredibly talented people. And

21:15

I think these are people who obviously when

21:18

they split up, went on

21:20

to then go to career heights like they

21:22

already were a list, and

21:25

then when they separated there it actually got

21:27

even bigger for both

21:29

of them because they went on to critical bona fides.

21:31

They became monoculture,

21:34

they were, and then they really

21:36

solidified like Ben Affleck and Jlo are

21:38

famous, famous, famous, And

21:40

so I think that

21:43

what was so heartbreaking about it

21:45

was knowing that they

21:47

had every good intention going into it and

21:49

really loved each other, and

21:52

it was that thing of essentially a pretty

21:54

mature decision to make before

21:56

you get married or before you go too far of

21:58

like we have to stop or

22:01

else we might resent each other because

22:03

they resent us. And so this

22:06

is just it's a star cross thing. I

22:08

mean, like we're not gonna work out because we

22:10

can't get out of our own way situationally.

22:13

And then what I will say is it

22:15

is dangerous to put out there that in twenty

22:18

years you could get back together with that person, because

22:20

you know that had me spun out, oh.

22:24

Let me spun out. Theirs

22:26

is a very unique situation.

22:28

I was in the mood to just sit here and watch all j

22:31

Loo for twelve hours, like I really, I really

22:33

was, like I was in my j Low moment.

22:36

Yeah.

22:36

And the fact that the documentary doesn't come out to the end of the

22:38

month, I was like, oh, man, like

22:41

I don't know, maybe by the end of the month we'll be moved

22:43

on. But I will say, smarter

22:45

for her to just like do the complete media

22:47

assault now in this like

22:50

tiny window of time before all

22:52

the girls stopped to the front, I know,

22:55

because it feels like she really hit her Valentine's

22:57

moment, you know what I mean, Like everything about this

22:59

felt pretty writing, especially,

23:02

and she gets this for something that in a

23:04

couple of weeks people aren't going to be talking about anymore.

23:06

Like this is a little blip, and

23:08

it's a jalo blip, and it's beautiful

23:11

and gorgeous and chaotic and insane,

23:13

and then it'll be over.

23:15

A jalo blip can ripple out

23:17

in a serious way. And that's a rule of culture.

23:20

That's a major culture, that's real. Quaestion number forty

23:24

blip can in

23:26

a major, serious way.

23:38

Oh okay, couple of things to share.

23:40

First of all, Gregory Maguire reached

23:43

out on Wednesday to confirm

23:45

that he does listen to the podcast. I

23:48

am so sorry. I apologized

23:50

over email, I said Gregory, I did not mean to

23:52

assume anything about your listening your

23:54

media diet. Very

23:57

very nice of him. Unbelievable that

23:59

someone like him would listen, but love.

24:01

That it's because he recognizes

24:04

this as a Glenda alphabet story.

24:06

It's a Glenda alphabet story. Gregory I

24:08

think is a finalist. He did not have self identifying

24:11

any way towards me.

24:12

Certain finalist. That's a definition

24:14

of a finalist, someone who's fully formed in the culture,

24:16

who don't need this.

24:18

Who gave us a cultural

24:20

artifact, who

24:23

expanded this story of

24:25

a universally known narrative

24:28

in a way that is maybe not technically

24:30

canonized, but is

24:32

like the like

24:35

prequel to The Wizard of Oz as far as

24:37

the culture is concerned.

24:40

Can I say that I'm just beaming

24:42

sitting here smiling, beaming because speaking

24:44

a finalist. And I'm just gonna say this because

24:47

I feel like we've been talking about j Lo as someone

24:49

who did the crossover thing between acting and

24:51

singing and also was very identifiably of

24:53

a time and like, yes, understood

24:55

the test of time. There is a

24:58

finalist who has identified themselves

25:00

as a finalist in that they

25:02

are a reader katie publicist of this

25:04

podcast, and they're gonna come on the show.

25:07

And I have to say, Mandy

25:10

Moore, we are so obsessed with you,

25:13

anily Cat. I swear to God, I'm in the damns

25:15

with Mandy Moore. She's gonna come on the show

25:17

at some point. And I just felt like, while

25:19

we were talking about Jayla, I was like, wait, there's

25:21

literally someone else too that like I'm

25:24

gonna cry a full icon for

25:26

decades.

25:28

I know the question that

25:30

I'm going to ask her that I've been

25:32

wanting to ask her for oh twenty

25:37

years, since two thousand

25:39

and three. I've wanted to ask her this question

25:41

twenty one years.

25:43

So do you want to put the question out there now

25:45

because she may hear it? Okay,

25:48

Mandy, you now are gonna hear the question, and you have

25:50

time to think about this one.

25:51

Mandy Moore, did you have

25:55

a Zanga page in

25:58

the heyday of zanga? Because there

26:00

was a mandymore dot zanga dot com

26:02

where she was writing blog posts and

26:04

there were this was the days before verified, and

26:07

so like I was on that zanga

26:09

every day hearing her talk about was

26:11

just on set, was just in the studio, and the way

26:14

she wrote was so beautiful and poetic. If

26:16

that was her, I need this for

26:18

my soul, man.

26:20

Because also like, well, you need it for your soul

26:22

because what if it wasn't her and you were dame

26:24

it.

26:24

Wasn't it will be devastating,

26:27

but not not altogether unsurprising.

26:30

Wow wow, to think about a

26:32

celebrity blogging and like what two

26:34

thousands.

26:35

Two thousand and two, I was at

26:37

like the library on

26:39

the computer on zanga,

26:42

reading my friend zengas. But then like, I

26:44

really want to know Mandy

26:46

Moore zanga, like what Mandy Moore is saying?

26:48

And then she used the phrase

26:51

in one of her posts, to put

26:53

it mildly. And as a twelve

26:55

year old, you hear that and you go, well, that's my

26:57

new favorite fucking phrase to put it mildly.

27:01

Oh my god.

27:02

We say that all the time as adults. Now, I'm sure

27:05

in this generation, but

27:08

in two thousand and two, if you were twelve years

27:10

old, that blew my

27:12

mind.

27:13

You're to put it mildly? Do you know what mine was?

27:16

What it was Mariah Carey using

27:18

the word nonchalantly in

27:22

her songs. I immediately was like, what

27:25

is is that? That word

27:27

word? And I looked it up and it was like,

27:30

oh, it's like uncaring, like when you do something

27:32

like and it feels secondhand like you

27:34

nonchalantly tossed off a

27:36

phrase. Are you nonchalantly? Like you

27:39

know, made mention it? And I was

27:41

like, I will use that

27:44

incessantly to quote another

27:46

another Mariah way, and like,

27:49

but Mariah's vocals, she loves her

27:51

adverb. Clearly she had an

27:53

impact on the girls because here's fucking Mandy

27:55

Moore to put it mildly, and

27:58

that that's a true cultural print moment.

28:00

Bow, and the fact that you remembered that all these years

28:02

later, that Mandy Moore said to put it mildly in

28:04

her Zenga blog.

28:06

If it wasn't her, then I will be

28:08

chilled to the bone.

28:10

No, oh my god, that would be chilling.

28:13

But if it was her, I will cry. I will burst into

28:15

tears. I promise if she says

28:17

that was my zanga, I will

28:19

cry, Oh

28:22

my god.

28:23

And Mandy don't because we've

28:26

DMed it several times back and forth and I just smile

28:28

beaming the whole time. Don't answer

28:31

that question yet, like we don't want to know. We need

28:33

to know when you come on and this has to be in

28:35

person and bone. You have to come to La for that. We have

28:37

to figure out when you're gonna come to LA next.

28:39

Okay, no problem, Maybe March I

28:41

will fly to La on my own dime for Mandy

28:43

Moore. Los cull terestas absolutely.

28:47

I have to say, do you remember? Okay?

28:49

I think my favorite Mandy Moore ever

28:53

is only hope, No, No,

28:55

Although incredible. First of all, it's really

28:57

hard to say this because there's so many good songs.

29:00

I would watch the Cry music video by the Way on the

29:02

Walk to Remember DVD every day after school,

29:04

keep going. I'm sorry I had.

29:05

Do you know how many times I watched your Walk to Remember

29:07

and wept and wept

29:09

and wept. It became you ever watched those

29:11

movies enough where it becomes more about

29:14

you crying about the movie.

29:16

Like I was just like, well, I want to absolutely

29:19

sob, so I'm going to watch you Walk to Remember

29:22

again.

29:22

I want to absolutely sob to Walk to Remember

29:25

or and this is back in the days of DVD. I

29:27

want to laugh my ass off. To the

29:29

commentary featuring Adam Shankman,

29:33

several times they are they are having

29:36

a gas laughing at Darryl Hannah's

29:38

wig. Oh my god, Oh

29:41

my god.

29:42

Don't let me wait when you mentioned

29:44

wig. I have to get to something, but first, let

29:47

me just say the Mandy

29:49

Moore song. I try,

29:51

but I I

30:00

want to be with you. I used to just be

30:03

in my bedroom, like running around

30:06

in circles thinking of like I don't know,

30:08

I guess that was in like fourth grade, like Kristin

30:10

Rocco, who I had crutch just

30:13

like me, like he what a bit with

30:16

you? Like listening to this like girls

30:18

song thinking about I guess a girl, I'm

30:22

a linked gay ass. Oh

30:24

my god, I love that.

30:25

An amazing whole album.

30:28

Oh my god, Mandy Mandy,

30:32

to say nothing of Saved,

30:34

to say nothing.

30:35

Say nothing of, how to

30:37

deal, to say nothing of,

30:40

I'm sorry the song Guardinia play

30:43

Gardinia Now, Readers, Katie's

30:45

publicist finalists, you will not regret

30:48

it. She was doing this. She's

30:50

not new to this.

30:51

She's true this. It's actually a real culture.

30:53

Number seventyymore is.

30:55

Not new to this.

30:56

She's true to this. And

30:58

you can see her now on Doctor Death season

31:01

two on Peacock and it's an anthology

31:03

Peacock, We love you. I mean that really,

31:06

that's what it is. Because when I first dm'd her,

31:08

she was like, well we should wait till after the strike, and

31:10

I was like, and

31:12

then I remember I saw her on

31:14

the Today Show something Jaylo was wont

31:17

to do, and Mandy Moore is also want to do

31:19

when she is a project discussing Doctor

31:21

Death, and I was like, now

31:24

did we miss our window here? But the thing about

31:26

Mandy Moore is there will always be a project

31:28

and that's where look coatch your number ninety

31:32

it will always always be a project.

31:35

We're so excited. Oh my god, Mandy

31:37

is everything. She

31:40

was my life. Yeah.

31:43

Whenever people would be like, Okay, Brittany

31:45

Christina and I was just like, definitely

31:48

respect both. Definitely for sure. Brittany

31:51

has a place in my life

31:53

and cultural history. Christina has a place

31:55

in my life and my personality formation.

31:58

And then there was Jessica, who was you know, fun on

32:00

Newly Went. She did her thing. And then Mandy

32:02

Moore was not only right

32:04

there with them, but also smart enough

32:07

to be like, you know what, I've

32:10

had a competing with these girls. I'm doing my own

32:12

thing. I'll catch you later. After my covers

32:14

album, Oh my god, coverage

32:17

o her Yes coverage. The

32:20

song choices on that album, by the way sophisticated.

32:24

She is covering Mona

32:26

Lisa's and Mad Hatters by Elton not just

32:29

any Elton john song, a fucking deep

32:31

cut of an Elton Johnson No. And

32:33

I remember when it came out. I was excited because I'm

32:35

like, oh, covers, like thinking it's gonna be like

32:38

songs you hear on fucking American Idol. And

32:40

then my little, my little ass, I didn't

32:43

know any of these have a little faith in me?

32:45

Yeah, go college a single by

32:47

the way, the lead single, this

32:50

girl is an artist down.

32:53

Yeah, and such a gorgeous

32:55

voice, and not only gorgeous voice, but identifiable

32:58

voice. It's like what we were saying. It's like the

33:00

thing of like you hear Mandy Moore and you're like, that's Mandy

33:02

Moore and she's perfect for Tangled. Oh

33:06

my god, my

33:08

mind. I

33:13

could cry to death. I

33:16

could cry to death.

33:17

Did I just recently talk about this line

33:19

read Entangled? When she's telling Donna Murphy,

33:22

I will never She was like, I will spend the

33:24

rest of my life trying to get as far

33:26

away from you as possible.

33:29

Oh my god,

33:31

you to me at the end of a long day.

33:37

Wow, wow Mandy Okay. But

33:39

then to reference another recent guest or

33:41

another guest, I ended up going to Wrestless

33:44

leg tour at the Beacon.

33:45

Oh my god, how was it?

33:48

Just like top to bottom

33:50

sublime.

33:51

I was just like, oh, I'm so upset,

33:53

I couldn't go.

33:54

It's everything you want them to do. And

33:57

then they both individually did like

33:59

a stand up set and like both had different

34:02

angles and takes on it. Like Amy was giving

34:04

like kind of like beautifully

34:06

pensive thematic on this

34:09

thing on like memory, and it's like all

34:11

these great bits and stories

34:13

and jokes, and then Tina comes in and just sort of

34:15

like does without spoiling

34:17

too much, like she's doing like her

34:21

idea of what her doing stand up should

34:23

be. Basically that's funny and it's

34:25

it's so funny, And they do an

34:28

update thing basically, oh

34:30

man, where the top jokes

34:32

were that day was like Trump has

34:34

to pay like three hundred and fifty million dollars, like

34:37

the news broke that day, and then they had

34:39

jokes.

34:39

They had fresh updatey jokes about it.

34:41

I was just like, God, these women and like hearing

34:44

them do update, I was just like I

34:46

remember their cadence

34:48

and their like delivery

34:51

on it, like and how like stylistically, it's

34:53

not any better or worse than like what Seth

34:56

was, what Colin and Chase is now and like what like

34:59

it's just you realize, Oh so each update era

35:01

is like its own flavor and tone

35:03

and I kind of forgot that about SNL,

35:05

which is kind of crazy. But like hearing

35:08

Amy read jokes and Tina read jokes, I was

35:10

like, whoa, this is like this

35:13

is a fucking trip.

35:14

Yeah, it's like a trigger. It's like a good trigger.

35:16

It's like it takes you back to that time when you're like

35:19

like, oh my god, Tina and Amy on update.

35:21

Because the thing about comedy is it's not

35:23

like playing the hits necessarily

35:26

like a musician does, right, Like you

35:28

know, like you can be an

35:30

act with like twenty year old songs,

35:33

right, you can play those songs and the crowd

35:35

goes wild. You can't really

35:37

do that with comedy unless

35:39

there's something, unless the container is

35:41

similar, but whatever the content is has to

35:43

be fresh and new, right.

35:44

Yeah.

35:45

So like that's the trick about like touring

35:47

and just doing comedy in general,

35:50

is that like if you're a name, you

35:53

kind of have this bar to measure

35:55

up to. And like the fact that they still

35:57

do it so it seems like it's soortless,

36:00

but you can appreciate the work that goes into it,

36:02

like, which is not to say that it's labored at all. You

36:05

cannot see them sweat. It's just so

36:08

special to watch them do it. Yeah,

36:10

I mean they're they're fucking phenomenal,

36:12

Like these are the best we have.

36:14

They're the best of what they do. I mean, it's funny that you mentioned

36:16

that, like the legacy artist thing, like Billy

36:18

Joel comes out and does like New York state

36:20

of Mind, like Tina and Amy

36:23

doing weekend Update is them doing

36:25

their New York state of Mind, you know what I mean? And right,

36:27

but but except they have to have to fill it

36:29

with new content, so

36:31

it's like it's a different challenge.

36:33

As we're talking about time though, It's like there

36:37

are comedians as we know, who have like kind

36:40

of tainted the legacy because

36:42

of like the way that they update oh

36:45

god content. Like that

36:47

is the thing that is kind of remarkable

36:49

with Tina and Amy,

36:51

and that's it's not to say that they're the exception to the rule,

36:54

but there is a way to do it where

36:57

I think like they are not necessarily confined to

36:59

any sort of formal thing besides

37:02

the update piece. But the rest of the show is

37:04

like built to their strengths

37:06

and also them trying new things. But

37:08

it's like they also have the benefit of not

37:11

having to go up there just by themselves with a microphone.

37:13

Yeah, but they can like do

37:17

things that are like legible and

37:19

familiar to the audience and then loosely

37:21

sort of break out of that and then piece it

37:24

back together by the end in this way that is

37:26

like comforting

37:28

and really really cathartically

37:31

funny.

37:33

But also if they were to go out

37:35

there by themselves with the mic, they would be fine.

37:37

And here's the first because they know what's

37:39

important in terms of comedy

37:41

and in terms of like really being an entertainer

37:44

and a lasting entertainer, which is exactly

37:46

what you said. They're not fixated

37:49

with the past and how it's like affecting

37:51

their present, like all these comedians,

37:54

like these iconic comedians,

37:56

like you know who they are, who are

37:58

so angry and up

38:01

in arms about like what the cultural

38:03

reality is now, like getting

38:05

all up in arms about like you know, trans

38:08

rites, getting all up in arms about like woke

38:10

culture that they are

38:12

no longer funny and

38:14

they have lost sight on what's important,

38:17

which is entertaining. And the

38:19

conclusion I keep coming to is

38:22

if you are unable to participate

38:24

in now because of the

38:26

past, you cannot be a part of the future.

38:30

Like if you are so tripped up

38:32

in what is happening right now because.

38:36

Because of this confectedness to the past.

38:39

Yeah, this like romanticism of

38:41

yesterdayar and this need for things

38:43

to be the way they were. It's

38:46

fine, Like, you can continue to kick

38:48

around in that slop, but you will

38:50

not be a part of the future.

38:52

I think they're banking on the

38:54

future being not linearly

38:58

progressive, that it will.

38:59

Circle back, that will like realize that

39:01

what like quote unquote wokeness is a

39:04

trend, like people finally

39:06

having the right and ability to speak up for themselves,

39:08

being like, hey, this type of humor is only funny

39:11

to a certain type of person, and it really degrades

39:13

and demoralizes and dehumanizes a whole

39:15

group of people. So maybe if we're actually

39:17

funny, we should be able to do something else. Like

39:19

they think that that idea is what a

39:21

fad? Maybe good

39:24

fucking luck, good fucking

39:27

luck. Let's

39:37

talk about Madam Web. Did

39:39

you see it? Yeah? I did?

39:41

Oh tell me everything.

39:43

A lot of people are saying that this movie was

39:46

not so bad, that it's good, Like a

39:48

lot of people are saying, like he was just boring.

39:50

No, I think the movie was so

39:52

bad. I had a great time, Like, I love

39:55

it. I had the best time watching

39:57

this movie, Like, and I didn't think it was boring.

40:00

I just thought it was completely insane

40:02

and unhinged. And what I love

40:04

about it is Dakota Johnson's

40:07

knowledge frame to frame

40:10

that this is horseshit. Like

40:12

Dakota Johnson, I want to be

40:15

like her friend because she is.

40:17

Just there, Like she's a good vibe. I

40:19

can report.

40:20

You can tell like she's delivering

40:22

the lines like just enough so that

40:24

it's acceptable to be cut,

40:27

but also like there's like

40:29

this little way where she's

40:31

like, I don't know, man.

40:32

Like not to conjecture. I think she was

40:35

giving that in fifty Shades too.

40:37

I think she was.

40:38

Well, there was a moment and it made me love

40:40

her.

40:41

Yes, And do you remember because iconically

40:43

the first time we ever saw fifty Shades was me, you and Dresden

40:45

on and address Valentine's Day like what it had

40:47

to be like ten years ago? What the fuck?

40:50

Twenty fifteen, Yeah, we hold them one in fifty Shah.

40:53

Just christ I hate time.

40:55

Fifty Shades of Great I came out twenty fifteen. Yeah,

40:57

wow, this is.

40:58

Nine Oh my god, Okay, so nine years

41:00

ago we're seeing this and there was

41:02

a moment where like either Jamie

41:04

Dornan says something and there's a count Dakota

41:06

that's like, uh okay, it

41:09

like wasn't supposed to be that, but they

41:12

keep it and even in interviews now, she's

41:14

like I think she was on the Tonight Show and Jimmy

41:17

was like, all right, so what do we have to know

41:19

before we see the movie? Like what do we have to know?

41:20

Man?

41:20

Come on, dude, come on, tell me what

41:22

we need to know, guy, And Dakota's

41:25

like, you can know absolutely

41:27

nothing and enjoy our movie.

41:30

You don't have to know anything,

41:32

see and.

41:33

She still believes in the movie.

41:36

She's not retirelessly promoting

41:38

it.

41:39

It's not that she's like abandoning

41:43

her sort of Yeah, she's still

41:45

out here saying watch the movie.

41:48

Mm hmmm, it's pretty fine.

41:51

Yeah, what does she have to

41:53

and you know what, to her credit, like I

41:55

was entertained the whole time. The whole

41:58

time, I was like I want and I'm

42:00

being like, this is so insane.

42:03

But the whig thing from before, Okay, so

42:05

we met a wig Sydney

42:07

Sweeney's wig in this is so

42:10

bad.

42:13

Like it's so bad.

42:15

And sometimes I'm like I get

42:17

it, Like I understand, like hair is

42:20

tough to deal with on a day to day

42:23

and sometimes you want a certain result. But

42:25

then I was like, you know what, now it's part of

42:27

it, Like now the fact that this is such a horrible

42:30

wig is part of it, and we're

42:32

playing the terrain. This is now an element of

42:34

this movie that I really enjoy. Yes,

42:36

Yes, the villain in the movie, have

42:38

you heard about this? All of his

42:40

lines are a dr oh,

42:42

I've heard about this? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

42:46

it literally bowing. His mouth is

42:48

moving, and it's like watching like a

42:50

Godzilla movie, Like it's it's like

42:53

what is coming out of his mouth or

42:55

what they want you to think, Like what you're hearing is

42:57

so different than what his mouth is doing. Because

42:59

they clearly had to rewrite the movie because it didn't

43:01

make sense, like we have to find out

43:04

what the villain wants and what he's doing because it's unclear.

43:07

It was unbelievable social

43:09

mammots in it, sitting the whole time

43:11

being like a computer hacker. It

43:14

never pays off the cast they

43:16

got for this, for Adam Scott truly just

43:18

cashing a check. I can't believe

43:21

Emma Roberts is in the movie.

43:24

This is like it's so.

43:26

Stacked and they're all doing nothing.

43:30

So happy, Okay, all I needed

43:32

to hear was I was getting so many conflicting reports

43:34

on this about whether or not it's bad in a

43:36

fun way, And all I need to hear

43:39

is that you thought it was fine, So

43:41

now I will go see it.

43:42

Bowen. The way it ends, Dakota

43:45

is so iconic for the way that it

43:47

ends, like so much

43:50

going on in the final frames

43:52

of the movie, Like I

43:54

can't spoil it, but just advice to say, it's

43:56

giving Professor X in a way that is so

43:59

funny.

44:01

I cannot wait. Dakota,

44:05

is I have a Halloween costume? Let's just say

44:08

no.

44:08

And then as a result of that,

44:10

I was like, Wow, Dakota, she is

44:12

here to stay for sure. And so you know what I was rewatching.

44:15

I was rewatching some clips from The Lost Daughter

44:18

put some respect on.

44:19

Oh my god, so good.

44:21

She is so good in that, so

44:24

good in that, and so bizarre

44:26

in it too, like she's playing so.

44:29

But alluring and like seductive,

44:32

just like the things like playing to

44:34

her strength. I think Dakota Johnson herself

44:36

is that is the essence of her. Yeah,

44:39

she's a little strange.

44:41

Oh, Bowen, I wish we could have seen this movie

44:43

together.

44:43

Oh I'm sad. This is what happens

44:47

by coastal my ass, I

44:50

know, not, I know.

44:51

Oh, I guess I could say on the pod what I'm

44:53

doing. Yes. So I'm here

44:55

shooting a new series for Netflix

44:58

and it's from Liz Feldman, who did Dead

45:00

to Me So Good,

45:03

And it's called No Good Deed. And

45:05

the cast is Ray Romano,

45:08

Lisa Kudro, Linda Cardellini,

45:10

Luke Wilson, Dennis Leary, Teana

45:13

Parish, like,

45:16

oh my god, Abby Jacobson, Poppy

45:18

Louie, Poppy Anna,

45:21

Mario Horsford, and fucking me. It's

45:24

such a fun cast

45:26

and the group is so great.

45:29

And it's about Ray and

45:31

Lisa play this couple

45:33

who are selling their Los Felis home and

45:35

there's like a bunch of different couples like and

45:38

people vying for the home. But when

45:40

no one knows is that something very dark has

45:42

happened in the house. And I played the

45:44

real estate agent, so I get to have scenes

45:46

with everyone. I have a really fun

45:49

part. I can't say too much about

45:51

it, but you're the glue.

45:54

Let's just say I'm I'm a big function

45:57

and I really really really am

45:59

excited about it, and uh,

46:02

it's gonna.

46:02

Be really good.

46:03

I read the scripts and I'm like, oh shit, y,

46:06

it's so exciting.

46:08

This is what we need. We need

46:10

Matt Rogers like playing

46:13

a realtor, but like

46:15

giving giving connective

46:18

tissue. I said, it's.

46:19

Giving one third Kroschelle one third, Christine

46:22

Quinn one third Matt Rogers.

46:24

Bitch, that's that's

46:26

a scary, scary pie chart horrifying.

46:30

I only really like one of those people. No,

46:32

I like Rochelle the way you just said. I

46:34

only really like one of those people. And I'm one

46:36

of the people. Well

46:38

yeah, because it's like, you know, lovely

46:41

like Matt. That's

46:43

not how I meant it.

46:44

I love Rochelle too. Can I say, Chrishelle?

46:47

Chrischelle will hit the carpet, Yeah,

46:49

at the People's Choice Awards, and I'll be like, that.

46:52

Is all of us right there there you go.

46:54

Oh have you watched any of Mister and Missus Smith.

46:57

I am two episodes in. I was like, watch

47:00

in those two episodes of be like, oh I'm in. I'm strapping

47:02

my seatbelt for this. I

47:04

just haven't been able to move as quickly as

47:06

I would like to. I really enjoy it.

47:08

I watched the first episode. I liked it a lot for

47:10

some reason, liked it a lot more than I thought me too.

47:13

I like that it's giving Mystery of the Week, I

47:15

think because there have been rumors

47:17

that it like wasn't good and that's why Phoebe waller

47:19

Bridge wasn't in it, and I was disappointed that

47:21

she wasn't.

47:22

Though I do love my Ers.

47:24

Maya is fantastic and.

47:26

This is such a different thing than Penn fifteen.

47:28

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

47:29

I really liked the conceit

47:31

of it, which is, this is their assignment.

47:33

It's their assignment to cover as a married couple.

47:35

It's not the original movie, which is obviously they

47:37

were married and then found out they were married to us.

47:39

By this isn't really interesting

47:42

good if you will weigh in, which

47:45

is that you're seeing them on day one of their

47:47

marriage because it's their new assignment and

47:50

they have they have like a charming little

47:53

rapport. I like watching it. I'm excited to see

47:55

how it develops.

47:57

Also in terms of it being from Donald

47:59

and Stephen Glover Kira MURRAI like that

48:01

whole Atlanta group very

48:03

different from that. Like, I like that it's

48:05

this Like again, I like that it's kind

48:07

of episodic. You're not

48:09

getting a lot of that anymore, and this is it really

48:12

works for me. I think the fact

48:14

that it's a little episodic like makes

48:16

it.

48:16

Also the serialization is gonna

48:18

come so obviously in their relationship,

48:20

you know what I mean, it's almost procedural in that way

48:22

where it's like the way that you develop

48:26

an affection for like these characters,

48:28

you know, Benson and Stabler, is

48:31

because you see them in these situations

48:33

and then all of a sudden you're like.

48:35

You're thinking about the totality.

48:36

Yeah, yeah, yeah, in the totality of it, you

48:38

connect to them and you get

48:40

their partnership, whereas like, obviously I

48:42

haven't seen too much of this yet, but it feels

48:44

like that might be what binds

48:47

and connects them because obviously they're

48:49

very odd couple at the beginning.

48:50

Totally, when I think about the totality

48:53

of Mandy Moore or

48:55

Jennifer Lopez, I think

48:58

these are my girls.

49:00

I mean literally, I just I can't

49:02

even like Mandy Goes. I

49:04

love the podcast. I love you guys so much. And

49:06

I was like Mandy Moore, Man, if

49:09

I start, I won't stop because

49:12

I could go on and on.

49:14

I mean literally any things that you

49:16

literally.

49:17

Just screamed at each other.

49:19

I know, And honestly, it's kind of nice to just get that out

49:21

of the way, so that like, and I'm sure that we will

49:23

absolutely fawn over her when she comes,

49:26

but like the way

49:28

that it could just be thirty minutes of us being like

49:31

Mandy.

49:33

Not that you guys haven't heard us be sick of fantic

49:35

towards our guests before. Now, can we

49:37

talk about the year? Do you have

49:39

stuff for the year?

49:41

Yes, So this week

49:43

on the podcast, the year,

49:45

the cultural year that we are excavating.

49:48

This year has been chosen from the goblet of cultural

49:50

years, is nineteen ninety three.

49:53

Bowen, what are your instincts and things

49:56

that immediately you have

49:58

jumping out of your heart when I say that year in nineteen

50:00

ninety three, I.

50:02

Am gonna say, well, as we said, I said Jurassic Park,

50:05

I'm gonna say the York

50:07

debut, I'm gonna

50:09

say, hey, oh

50:12

my god, hold on, I'm doing a cook Google exiling

50:14

guy, the Lives Fair.

50:16

Wow, you could speak to that. This

50:18

was a.

50:19

Huge year for like alt

50:22

rock quote unquote whatever that means

50:24

to you. But in terms of like your PG Harvey's,

50:26

your Radioheads, your fucking Nirvana.

50:30

You know, it's like this was a time of

50:32

like grunge,

50:35

Like I don't even know quite how to like type

50:37

this, but like it was that mixed

50:39

with like adult contemporary

50:42

was like really starting to come in and like be

50:44

this like Mariah putting out music box

50:46

is I think like also indicative,

50:49

Oh Janet doing Janet Like this is

50:51

like things were kind of coexisting

50:53

in an interesting way and like nothing was

50:56

like overtaking the other, like it could

50:58

all live next

51:00

to each other without bumpang mm hmmm.

51:02

Yeah.

51:03

I mean this was a time

51:05

where it's funny that you talk about

51:08

that type of music because by

51:10

far the biggest album of this year, and

51:13

it would be ultimately one

51:15

of the biggest albums of all time in

51:17

its totality. A word we've used much on this

51:19

episode is Whitney Houston The

51:22

Bodyguard. Oh my god,

51:24

So Whitney Houston The Bodyguard was

51:27

the biggest, not only the biggest album of the year,

51:29

but the biggest one of the biggest albums of the decade.

51:32

It obviously was connected

51:34

to the film The Bodyguard, which was released, so

51:38

it's obviously one of the biggest soundtracks of

51:40

all time. This is obviously in

51:42

the grand scheme of Whitney Houston's career.

51:44

There's no bigger song then

51:46

I Will Always Love You. Obviously it is

51:49

what she is most iconic for.

51:51

But that being said, there was

51:54

also many many tracks on this album that were

51:56

huge hits, such as I Have Nothing, such

51:58

as Queen of the Night, such as Run to You.

52:00

This was like the apex

52:03

Diva moment of Whitney

52:06

Houston, and it

52:08

obviously coincides with what you were saying, like,

52:11

you know, Mariah had just really popped off

52:13

like Selene in a couple of years would

52:15

really really really be at her like

52:18

mainstream height. But in

52:20

many ways this was the

52:24

beginning of not

52:26

even really the beginning, but it was like the

52:29

rising action peak, let's say, in

52:31

some way of that like diva

52:34

thing. Yeah, so interesting that

52:36

also, you know, grunge was happening,

52:38

and like there was this alt rock moment, just

52:40

a really interesting

52:43

time for very emotionally

52:46

specific big music.

52:48

Big music that you don't necessarily

52:51

think of as like big

52:53

tent, you know what I mean, Like

52:56

these things would never fly today because

52:58

it would be like, well, the alt rock is for

53:00

this type of person, and the divas

53:02

are for this type of person. Like the

53:05

fact that that was like pretty ubiquitous

53:07

and like welcoming for everyone, that like

53:09

everyone could like find another

53:11

phrase that we're using a lot of this episode way in with

53:14

these albums makes me go,

53:17

oh, that's what we're sort of losing with

53:19

monoculture, which I dot we can debate with

53:21

people whether or not like it still exists

53:23

if it's just a different form. Yeah, But that's

53:26

a great assessment about the music of the

53:28

time.

53:28

It's just interesting. Like I guess technically

53:31

the Bodyguard album was released

53:33

in ninety two, but it was the best selling

53:35

album of ninety three of the guy. And

53:37

if you talk about like what

53:39

artists were really popular, it's Wynney Houston. Then

53:42

there was Kenny g Eric Clapton,

53:44

Janet Jackson, Billy Ray Cyris, doctor

53:46

Dre Pearl, jam Garth Brooks, Don't

53:49

Taple, Pilot Spin Doctors, like lots

53:51

of variety here in what was happening,

53:53

you know what I mean? Like there was music

53:56

was interesting, obviously Liz fair b York's

53:58

debut, but it was really it

54:00

was an interesting time. But

54:03

for me, I think if I was like fully

54:06

activated gay guy at this time, I'm

54:08

for sure only listening to the Bodyguard

54:10

album. I mean like that to me activated

54:13

gay guy. If I'm unactivated giy guy at

54:15

the time, it's all about Whitney for me at this moment.

54:18

I mean, how often do we do this as

54:21

gay guys where we like time

54:23

travel Like if I

54:25

had gay guy taste,

54:29

sensibility, whatever, what

54:31

would I be doing.

54:32

Traveling gay Guy.

54:34

Well, it's kind of scary to think about because

54:36

whatever I'm like still like on my Capodi

54:38

kick, not necessarily with the show, but just like there's a great

54:40

documentary on Hulu called the Capoti

54:43

Tapes that I watched last night, and it is just

54:45

like, God, it was pretty

54:47

hard out there for us.

54:49

Is that our show is our show like Kunk on Earth,

54:51

but it's called time Traveling Gay Guy and we go back

54:54

in time to different eras and like interview people

54:56

of the time, Like, is that our show? Wait?

54:59

Maybe that's maybe that's

55:01

it time Traveling Gay Guy, And it's like you

55:03

did you finish Kunk on Earth? Yes, I'm.

55:09

It's my favorite. I think it's one of my favorite

55:11

comedies in the last like three years.

55:13

It is staggering how

55:17

stupid stupid is like it's just

55:19

so funny, like it never stops, like the

55:21

jokes never stop, honestly, Like at

55:23

a certain point you do need to take a break because you're just

55:26

like it's now, the jokes are just they're coming

55:28

too fast. Like I like a little

55:30

overwhelmed.

55:31

The way that pumped the jams thing like, oh.

55:33

I love it, love it.

55:35

Gets resort of remixed

55:37

every episode. I'm like, this is crazy,

55:40

Like it reminded me of like kill

55:42

me, like money python stuff. But anyway, okay,

55:45

biggest films of.

55:46

The year, Yeah, Jurassic Park was

55:48

the biggest movie of this year, missus doubtfire. This

55:50

was a big Spielbergerie year, because yeah,

55:53

he's got the number one commercial film

55:55

of the year and the number one critical head of the year. He's

55:57

got the biggest movie of the year and the Best Picture

55:59

of winner, which were Jurassic Park and and

56:02

you say versa tile My

56:04

guy was topping and bottoming the industry.

56:07

Oh he was topping.

56:08

Us with How's

56:10

he was topping us with Dassic Park and bottoming with

56:12

Schindler's List.

56:13

This doesn't necessarily feel right.

56:15

I don't know about that, miss

56:18

I think.

56:18

Bottoming is so much more emotional than topping,

56:21

like you're feeling so much that I

56:23

do.

56:23

Feel like and then a

56:25

woman in a red dress comes out.

56:28

I can't a little girl in a red dress?

56:30

Please, Oh I'm sorry, let me take that.

56:31

A woman in a red dress. No, don't let him have that.

56:33

He's been a lot of edits out this episode.

56:36

Woman in a red dress will stand.

56:38

I haven't seen it in a while.

56:40

Me neither. I haven't seen it very long time. But Jurassic

56:42

Park I've seen many times.

56:44

Absolutely just an easier watch. I'd

56:46

say The Fugitive is the number

56:48

three highest grossing film of nineteen eighty

56:50

three. That is a traumatizing film for me

56:52

because that we watched

56:55

that in Canada, in Montreal, there

56:57

was a woman named Janine who is like the

56:59

baby sitter and all the kids,

57:02

all the kids, and then she was so cool, but she had

57:04

like she was a childless woman who had

57:06

a huge house, right, and so she her

57:08

whole thing was like childcare. And

57:10

she was this cool fucking woman in her

57:12

fifties who lived with her

57:15

husband, and like all the kids from the neighborhood

57:17

would go to her house after school and like, you know, the parents

57:19

would pay her, but she would just like put

57:21

food out, put video games out, movies.

57:23

We'd be downstairs and we

57:25

would all just like hang out and it

57:27

was like summer camp and like and

57:30

one day we watched The Fugitive and it was so like when

57:32

the wife dies, Yeah tough.

57:35

I was just like, this is crazy. Also

57:37

try traumatic. Thing

57:39

from that basement where we would watch the

57:41

movies was all The kids

57:43

made fun of me because I pronounced Return

57:46

of the Jedi

57:49

and they said Jed and

57:51

they laughed at me because I mispronounced Jedi, which

57:53

is, by the way, a made up word. Thinks

57:56

Jed is very chic.

57:59

Did you hear that Daisy Ridley is returning

58:02

to Star Wars to play the Ray.

58:09

Ray Matt speaking French

58:11

is so my favorite.

58:16

You're oh

58:19

Spanish? Okay, what else?

58:22

Listen? Seattle, Philadelphia, the Pelican

58:24

Brief. Oh my god, Julia coming

58:27

in to this. But this is after Mystic Pizza.

58:29

But this is Julia really becoming Julia.

58:32

Yeah, this is Julia post

58:34

Pretty Woman.

58:36

Oh yes, that's right. I'm sorry I thought this

58:38

was before Pretty Woman. Yes, this is after Mystic

58:40

Pizza and Pretty Woman and still

58:42

Magnolia's okay, so

58:44

that she was Julie.

58:45

Still Magnolia's was her first OSCAR nomination.

58:48

Then came Pretty Woman. She was full of Julia at this point,

58:50

but obviously like this was again it's

58:53

her rising action peak, you

58:55

know what I mean. It wasn't yet, it wasn't

58:57

yet where it would go, but it was it was

58:59

going. She was actuate.

59:00

There we're going.

59:01

But I do want to say just about Jurassic Park.

59:03

Yes, please.

59:04

I always had the comment about Jurassic Park

59:06

that like, I wanted to see more of the

59:08

theme park in the movie. But I think that

59:11

that was probably just me being stupid, and

59:13

I think being a kid looking back, Jurassic

59:16

Park, no notes, no

59:18

notes, you did that thing.

59:19

Oh you did that thing. You're

59:22

not gonna be out here saying that you wished Jurassic

59:24

Park was different. I'm sorry.

59:26

No, is there a favorite scene in Jurassic Park for

59:28

you? Do

59:31

you want to be a gay guy and say Laura during going

59:33

through the poop?

59:34

No, I was gonna say, I actually,

59:36

and this is so stupid of me. I actually

59:39

love when they're watching the cartoon

59:41

talk about the Amber pre show,

59:44

the pre show, because it makes you realize,

59:47

like this movie is working

59:49

on a lot of levels, like the science is actually

59:52

kind of there, and they're like Steven

59:54

Spielberg was like, no, we're spending time. Like Michael

59:56

Crichton would have wanted this. We're spending or

59:58

would want this he was still alive. Let's

1:00:00

spend time on the science of this. Because

1:00:02

then because remember like you know, middle school science

1:00:05

class, like all the teachers being like

1:00:08

in my school at least, like it would be like, you know, the

1:00:10

science in Jurassic Park is actually our type.

1:00:12

We could you know, grow

1:00:15

dinosaurs if we wanted to blah blah blah blah blah

1:00:17

blah. That was like the urban legend

1:00:20

kind of scientifically, I think, being

1:00:22

in middle school.

1:00:22

At the time and just set this straight

1:00:25

as the person here who's like.

1:00:26

More, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna know.

1:00:28

Can you do this? Can you do it?

1:00:30

I don't know, I don't know, and you want.

1:00:32

To No, oh, certainly

1:00:34

not like whenever it comes to like, hey,

1:00:37

we should do this, like I don't even think we should be in

1:00:39

space. No, that we're not supposed to be

1:00:41

there, Like I think we should be leaving things

1:00:43

well enough alone. I think dinosaurs are gone

1:00:45

for a reason. I

1:00:47

think space you can't be up there for a reason.

1:00:50

I think we need to stay out of the oceans. You know how

1:00:52

I feel about this.

1:00:53

I think that about being on a plane, I'm

1:00:55

like, we're not supposed to.

1:00:56

Be don't even get me started. Every

1:00:58

single time you're on a plane, and remember you're

1:01:01

on a hulking hunk of metal, and

1:01:03

that doesn't feel right to me. No air travel does

1:01:05

not feel right to me at all.

1:01:08

M M.

1:01:10

Boats feel insane to me.

1:01:12

Boats I actually think are okay?

1:01:15

How are boats okay for

1:01:18

traversal? You're standing on

1:01:20

something or you're sitting on

1:01:22

something.

1:01:23

We'll let me stand on business when

1:01:25

I say that, you're

1:01:27

way more endangered on a cruise ship

1:01:29

boat than you are in the air. And I don't even

1:01:31

like the air thing. But in the water, especially

1:01:35

with the orc is acting up the way that they are,

1:01:37

especially with what we know about sharks now,

1:01:41

Honey, adibly dangerous.

1:01:44

I'm not saying boats aren't dangerous.

1:01:47

I'm saying being on a boat makes more sense

1:01:49

to me. As like primitive

1:01:51

animals like the cavemen might

1:01:53

have built a boat. What I

1:01:56

think maybe a person and Neanderthal

1:01:59

might have tried to make a boat one

1:02:01

day, girl, they never

1:02:03

try to make a plane, you know what I mean? Does

1:02:05

that make sense?

1:02:06

Yeah, I guess so, But that doesn't mean that

1:02:09

one is more above board than the other. I guess.

1:02:11

My thing with being on the open water

1:02:14

and then you know, they say we know less about the ocean

1:02:16

than we do about the space space. For

1:02:19

me, it's like if you're in the air, the only

1:02:21

thing that can go wrong is the plane

1:02:23

malfunctions, you know what I mean, Like, something goes wrong

1:02:26

with the plane and it goes down. When you were

1:02:28

on a boat on the water, million, literally

1:02:30

you were a million things could happen. The

1:02:32

boat could get fucked up, a wave

1:02:34

could happen. There's no waves that could happen in

1:02:36

the air. And then get into this likely

1:02:41

if your plane goes down, you die pretty

1:02:43

instantly. You may even die from

1:02:45

shock before you even hit the ground.

1:02:48

Like truly, on a boat,

1:02:50

if that thing goes over, honey,

1:02:54

you die in the water. You

1:02:57

don't die because the boat

1:02:59

capsize. You probably have to be swimming

1:03:01

around for a while and then what now.

1:03:04

I don't want people saying to me, Hey,

1:03:07

that was messed up what you did on the last episode

1:03:09

of lost culture restas because you conjured up images

1:03:12

of tragedy, pain and death. No,

1:03:14

but this is just the reality of the world.

1:03:17

And guess what, if you're listening to this, you're

1:03:20

gonna die one day too. Who

1:03:23

knows how it will happen.

1:03:24

Maybe on a boat.

1:03:25

And I'm telling you it's more likely that you die

1:03:27

on a boat than you die on the air. Get

1:03:29

over it?

1:03:31

Okay, So okay,

1:03:35

big news stories of ninety

1:03:38

three. Isn't it interesting that so far

1:03:40

the three years that we've drawn all inaugurations

1:03:42

inauguration years.

1:03:43

I was gonna say, Clinton started

1:03:45

to be really.

1:03:47

Oh my god, I have on here

1:03:49

at the Waco Siege Branch,

1:03:52

Davidian Sleigh, what

1:03:54

else, Space Shuttle Endeavor? Okay,

1:03:57

amazing. The Brady

1:03:59

Bill for guns, Oh my god, gun

1:04:01

control? Remember gun control? I

1:04:04

think that's it. Yeah, this was This

1:04:06

year was really okay. I will

1:04:08

say this year was the birth of

1:04:11

my sister, Chelsea Ryan Rodgers. Oh

1:04:13

my god, that's so nice.

1:04:15

Chelsea Ryan Rodgers was born on January

1:04:17

twenty fourth, nineteen ninety three. I won't

1:04:19

say her real last name now because she has a new

1:04:21

last name, and I will respect her.

1:04:22

Congratulations Chelsea Nay

1:04:25

Rogers.

1:04:26

Chelsea was born when I was three years old,

1:04:29

and I think I was a good big

1:04:32

brother.

1:04:32

I'm sure you were all

1:04:35

Matt.

1:04:36

I think I was brother.

1:04:37

I was big bro for once now

1:04:41

ninety three for me, I

1:04:43

think we had moved from

1:04:46

Kingston, Ontario to Quebec.

1:04:50

We might, I know. I think we were still in Kingston, Ontario,

1:04:54

town outside of Toronto. I

1:04:57

was playing with pots and pans. That

1:04:59

was my thing is at three years old, or between

1:05:01

two and three, I was like, my mom

1:05:04

would like lay out the pots and pants

1:05:06

on the rug on the carpet in the living

1:05:08

room, and I would just like pretend I was cooking.

1:05:11

And did your mom at once she

1:05:13

heard you playing with the pots and pants? Did she sort

1:05:16

of run into your father's office and say,

1:05:18

Rulin, Rulin, I think our child

1:05:20

may have musical talent. And

1:05:22

she said get out of here.

1:05:24

She Oh my god, wait, were you there,

1:05:26

bitch? That's exactly what happened.

1:05:29

I was there, and then my sister all

1:05:34

and then I sing all too well. At three,

1:05:37

Now, where were you were on Long Island?

1:05:39

I was on Long Island being three. I

1:05:41

think me at three was

1:05:44

probably a whole thing hmm.

1:05:47

I can't say much about when I was three years old. We lived

1:05:49

in West Babylon, New York. I

1:05:52

wasn't in school yet. I probably was out. I

1:05:54

was like an outdoor kid, but

1:05:56

I'm only three here, so I

1:05:58

don't know. I was having like a jamming

1:06:01

out with Katrina like all the time.

1:06:03

Yeah, oh guy, you guys hanging out? Oh?

1:06:06

Absolutely? And then I did ask like was

1:06:09

I a good brother? Because that's something that's important

1:06:11

to me nowadays. It's

1:06:13

like, was I a good brother growing up? And all

1:06:16

accounts are that I was a good brother. And then I

1:06:18

wasn't like jealous that there was a new kid, because

1:06:20

something you do hear, like new parents say, is

1:06:22

like, oh, I have a three year old and there's a new

1:06:24

baby, and it's like now it's getting a little contentious

1:06:27

in the house. It's like or like something

1:06:29

shifted. But luckily I can say

1:06:31

at least my parents are protecting me enough to not tell

1:06:33

me I was a nightmare. But I think I was good.

1:06:36

I believe that.

1:06:37

I do think that all people, including

1:06:39

myself, are good at heart.

1:06:41

I believe that too.

1:06:43

Now. Chance the Rapper was born

1:06:45

this year.

1:06:46

Chance the Rapper was born this year.

1:06:48

Debbie Ryan was born this year. Oh

1:06:51

dad, I was born this year.

1:06:53

Oh my god, ariana amazing,

1:06:56

amazing year for birth. Wow, Ariana is

1:06:58

younger than my little sister, and you're a big bro

1:07:01

to her. I'm gonna have to treat Arian

1:07:03

like little Cis Vibes, Little Cis Vibes.

1:07:06

Ty Warner USA launch is the first

1:07:08

Beanie Babies. Oh wow,

1:07:12

this feels this was rising

1:07:14

action to Beanie baby mania.

1:07:16

On listen, listen to me right now.

1:07:18

If you have a great idea, sometimes you gotta

1:07:20

let it cook. Maybe maybe

1:07:22

in three years it will be Beanie Baby.

1:07:25

Oh this news is sad to me. You

1:07:28

Cobbin and Yasir Arafat signed peace

1:07:30

agreement on the White House lawn.

1:07:33

Oh well,

1:07:35

in the words of Charre Horowitz, I

1:07:37

thought they declared peace in the Middle East.

1:07:41

In the words now, let's

1:07:44

see the EU farmer's protest.

1:07:46

We all remember where we were, and

1:07:53

that's basically, you know, it's kind of an interesting

1:07:55

year. A peaceful year, definitely,

1:07:58

peace was kind of

1:08:00

interesting. If Israel and PLO signed

1:08:03

a peace agreement, that's going to be a peaceful year. I'm

1:08:05

okay, actually going to be a peaceful year.

1:08:07

And now bowen. You know what I'm doing.

1:08:10

Yeah, I'm going into the culture

1:08:12

years.

1:08:13

Oh my god, we're drawing another year, so

1:08:16

exciting.

1:08:17

Okay, now I'm picking it out.

1:08:20

I'm feeling the energy. What

1:08:22

is it going to be? The year is

1:08:27

twenty thirteen?

1:08:29

Twenty thirteen another

1:08:32

inaugurate not an inauguration year, but another

1:08:34

like post general election

1:08:36

year.

1:08:37

I mean, yeah, so what's going

1:08:39

on here? There's a theme here, there's a theme

1:08:41

of election. It's almost like it's almost

1:08:43

think there's one looming.

1:08:45

Oh oh oh,

1:08:49

okay, twenty thirteen. Well we all

1:08:51

hopefully you were born by then. Hopefully are no ten year

1:08:53

olds listening to this podcast. Hopefully you're older.

1:08:56

Than there is then holy shit,

1:08:58

not beating those groomer allegations.

1:09:00

Not batting the groomer allegations for gay

1:09:02

guys.

1:09:03

Well, isn't it scary to think even a ten

1:09:05

year old could Because they have phones nowadays,

1:09:07

they could be listening to this. We could be polluting our

1:09:09

minds with things like Whitney

1:09:12

Houston, Whitney Houston. True,

1:09:23

we want I don't think, honey.

1:09:24

Lets me want to I don't think, so, honey, do you have something I

1:09:26

do? Okay, this is Matt

1:09:28

Rodgers's I don't think so, honey. His time starts

1:09:31

now.

1:09:32

I don't think so, honey. The plot of Missus Doubtfire,

1:09:34

okay, we're talking about here,

1:09:37

I go liar. You're a liar.

1:09:39

You're a liar, and female culture is

1:09:41

not your costume, Robin Williams. And

1:09:43

I don't like for one second that you lie to that woman

1:09:45

and her family. I don't care what your intentions

1:09:48

were. You're a liar, You're disgusting.

1:09:50

You were a narcissist, Robin

1:09:52

Williams. Missus Doubtfire is a disgusting

1:09:54

display of narcissism. And just

1:09:57

you know what, how about this. You want to get in

1:09:59

good with your kids, start telling the truth,

1:10:01

Start telling the truth. Okay.

1:10:04

The way that you get it with the kids is not going

1:10:06

to be dressing up as a full woman.

1:10:08

And by the way, that was an offensive, the

1:10:10

caricature of a woman, elderly

1:10:13

woman. It was offensive, it was ages,

1:10:16

it was sexist, and it was disgusting.

1:10:19

And Sally Field, I'm with you when

1:10:21

you said the whole time time

1:10:24

because the answer is yes, that's what he's capable

1:10:26

of. Do not get back together with this man.

1:10:29

He's disgusting, toxic liar.

1:10:31

I don't think so, honey. That's one

1:10:33

minute. That is one of

1:10:35

the best you've ever done. He was a disgusting,

1:10:38

toxic liar period.

1:10:41

You can't argue with that.

1:10:43

It's really cult missus down fire.

1:10:46

He was toxic

1:10:48

liar lie Se number forty four,

1:10:52

not beating the drag lying

1:10:54

allegations. Oh my god, that

1:10:56

gave Drag such a bad name. It

1:10:59

really did.

1:11:02

So upset. My day

1:11:04

is ruined. I have one that I'm sorry.

1:11:06

I have one that's slightly less spiery, but I think

1:11:08

that's okay. I'm not gonna that's totally okay,

1:11:11

me thinks, But I think people are going

1:11:13

to relate.

1:11:13

To this relatable king. This

1:11:17

is Bowen Yang's I don't think so, honey. His time starts

1:11:19

now.

1:11:20

I don't think so many spiral notebooks,

1:11:22

why are we still selling this shit? The

1:11:25

rings get bent, the pages

1:11:27

don't turn as good as when you buy it

1:11:29

fresh off of the shelf. Okay,

1:11:32

and ye, sometimes you try to fit a pencil in

1:11:34

there or a pen in there and it falls out.

1:11:36

The spiral doesn't work anymore,

1:11:39

and depending on your handedness, every

1:11:42

other page you're not gonna be able to write

1:11:44

on it because guess what, the spiral is

1:11:46

pressing. The spine of the spiral

1:11:49

is pressing on your hand as

1:11:51

you write. And then what does your hand do

1:11:53

as you apply pressure onto the spiral. It

1:11:56

warps the spiral. So

1:11:58

therefore, I think we should abolish

1:12:00

spiral. Abolished spiral

1:12:02

notebook most importantly, But

1:12:05

the spiral is also full

1:12:07

of plastic probably, and we're

1:12:09

done with that. We're done with plastic,

1:12:12

and I think we just need to do traditional

1:12:15

bound notebook at the spine

1:12:17

and not make any innovations

1:12:19

in this area.

1:12:20

And that's one minute. So are you saying

1:12:23

return to marble?

1:12:25

What do you mean? No, I'm

1:12:27

yeah, marble notebook is totally acceptable.

1:12:29

Any notebook that had that like doesn't have

1:12:31

to like fold in on itself. That

1:12:34

is a gimmick that we no longer need, that

1:12:36

we never needed in the first place.

1:12:38

What I'm just looking over at my desk

1:12:41

and I see I'm using a spiral notebook.

1:12:43

And I need it a spiral notebook, and it's

1:12:45

ruining my life. But I refuse to

1:12:47

change.

1:12:48

There is something to say about

1:12:50

the fact that really what you

1:12:52

have there in spiral notebooks is

1:12:55

it's a weapon that can be used against you in your own home,

1:12:57

because if someone were to come there and unspiral it, then

1:13:00

what I have is a very dangerous, really

1:13:02

metal wire.

1:13:03

A wire, a device

1:13:06

for harm to fight. Also, it

1:13:09

makes the writing experience unpleasant.

1:13:12

Produce re Becca says, spiral notebooks are disrespectful

1:13:15

to the left handed community me.

1:13:17

And the right handed community. Ps

1:13:20

if you try to write on the opposite page.

1:13:22

Mm wow, I hadn't even thought about that,

1:13:25

That's what I'm saying. Oh, never mind, This is just no

1:13:27

way around it, because I was gonna say around. You can flip

1:13:29

it in and do it, but you'd still come up against want

1:13:31

to know, because guess why you're turning your notebook

1:13:33

up and down, up and down for every other page. Get

1:13:37

them off the market now,

1:13:39

I said.

1:13:40

In j Lo out

1:13:43

out spiral note spiral notebooks

1:13:45

in Madam webb out,

1:13:49

missus dat fire in

1:13:53

Mandy Moore out

1:13:57

Mandy Moore.

1:13:58

Not being on the pod, not being on the pod. Ooh,

1:14:01

I see what you did there.

1:14:03

Well, this was a culturally ripe

1:14:05

episode. There was so much to discuss,

1:14:08

and really, what I have

1:14:10

to say about this episode is Wow,

1:14:13

the power of women.

1:14:14

Wow, the power of women. It's going to be

1:14:16

Women's History Month in March. Well,

1:14:19

happy Pisce season, Everyone happy

1:14:22

last season. The

1:14:24

Piscians are pis seing Pisce

1:14:26

sing.

1:14:27

I have a feeling that I might cry

1:14:30

every day this season.

1:14:32

You should, but not in.

1:14:34

A pejorative way. In a way where I reclaim

1:14:36

my tears.

1:14:37

This is Me now, this is you

1:14:39

now, And if you're

1:14:41

listening to this. On February twenty first, twenty

1:14:43

twenty four, the Moon enters, Leo

1:14:46

and Venus can joins Mars. Relationships

1:14:50

gain a little sizzle, and creativity gets

1:14:52

more muscle, artistry and willpower

1:14:54

are a match made in heaven. Now. Thank

1:14:56

you, Chenny Nicholas.

1:14:57

Yes, she posted a really good piece

1:15:00

season debut.

1:15:01

She always do.

1:15:03

We end every episode with the song.

1:15:06

This is Me Now,

1:15:12

This is Me Now.

1:15:17

To hear more of that, watch the Prime

1:15:19

original This is Me Now, starring

1:15:22

Jennifer Lopez.

1:15:24

Bye Bye,