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1:57

Speaking of offerings, I

2:00

think that it's time. It's finally

2:02

time for us to wait into the discourse that is the Tortured

2:04

Poets Department.

2:05

And it's finally time. And I'm promising,

2:08

I'm swearing on my life, we're gonna be

2:10

talking about the year twenty thirteen. Yeah, it's happening.

2:12

To get that out of the way. We're getting

2:14

to we're not punting it, we're not kicking it down

2:16

the road. It's gonna happen.

2:19

Yeah, but we're gonna do what

2:21

we do and talk about this new

2:23

big album that came out. This is a

2:25

stamming a run of a year for us. This has

2:28

been music here, not since like what twenty ten,

2:30

twenty eleven have the girlies been

2:32

this prolific. I mean it's

2:35

been overwhelming. And

2:38

also it's not even like, for example,

2:40

like with Tortured Poets. She long

2:42

and so there's a lot of music on

2:45

top of all the other new music.

2:46

And also you have to remember I'm

2:48

newly in Mi Lana era, right,

2:51

so I have all these albums to get

2:53

through. I have homework. I haven't felt

2:55

like this since AP Environmental.

3:02

Would you believe I got a bad score on AP Environmental?

3:05

You don't like the Earth?

3:06

Not a big fan because

3:08

it's full of toxic trolls. They're

3:12

living under the crust those trolls.

3:14

Now we have to have

3:17

to before we talk about Tortured Poets

3:19

Department. Yeah, talk deeply

3:22

about the best song of

3:24

the year so far, and

3:26

that is Espresso. And

3:29

I want to say that last

3:31

week I sort of popped off about

3:34

Coachella and I said, like a

3:36

lot of things, and I feel that I paid Sabrina

3:38

a little tiny bit of dust because I kind of popped

3:40

off about Chapel and then I went from

3:43

Chapel over to Sabrina and Serena was just

3:45

giving a different it's a different gear. It's

3:47

not that anything was better or worse. It was

3:49

just like it's a different show. She's in

3:52

her cute little dresses singing in front of

3:54

like a desert motel set, which I

3:56

thought was really cute and inspired. But it was really cute.

3:58

I mean the whole thing, like her entire aesthetic

4:00

right now in the way that they're presenting

4:03

the album and the new single, Like I think

4:05

it's great. And she I didn't realize

4:07

she had so many albums, but she had a lot

4:09

of albums.

4:10

Yeah, she's been around, and it feels like they finally

4:12

snapped into something really cool with her where

4:14

she's she's this like cute little

4:16

like nostalgia almost like beat

4:19

Like what would you call those movies like Fello.

4:22

A net Footicello. Well, I mean she literally

4:24

was in a remake of Adventures

4:27

and Babysitting, Yeah, you know what I mean. Like she

4:29

is like a kind of like child

4:32

star that like I don't

4:34

know, hasn't been really pinballed

4:36

around the industry and like she

4:40

kind of at this point has landed as like fun

4:43

cool, chill, girly

4:46

like Espresso is that. Espresso is that if

4:48

you like watch her interview, she's just like funny

4:51

girl. Yeah, we like her. Cool check

4:53

and Sabrina, Sabrina, You're invited

4:55

on the pod if you want to come,

4:58

if you want to come here, you have

5:00

a spot here. There is a place for

5:02

you at the table. There is a place for you on last

5:04

Culture and we

5:07

want a webby okay, and

5:09

you might get it's another one. It

5:11

might be the funniest episode of the year. Our episode

5:13

was Sabrina Carpenter. You might be the

5:15

new Richard pryor Sabrina Carpenter if

5:17

you come on this podcast. I see that for her.

5:20

I'm telling you, like I'm listening to Espresso,

5:22

I'm streaming. So that's what I'm saying

5:25

is it's like there's so much that,

5:28

but this is taking a song to.

5:30

Pop out like that, and I love that.

5:32

This is during the Torture Poet's discourse, we cannot

5:34

stop talking about espresso. But

5:37

I have to say that's the vibe. It is crack

5:39

cocaine, an addictive drug that

5:44

I made. Yeah, exactly episode

5:50

when she does her little dance and I know you can do

5:52

it, so show us that's stem me es.

5:57

You do it, that's stem

5:59

meestress and

6:01

listen like you can't see us doing it, but just

6:03

know we're doing it exactly right. Yeah, even

6:06

better than Sabrina. Even better than Sabrina

6:08

Sabrina.

6:09

If you come to this podcast and you allow us

6:11

to interview you, you can watch us do the choreo

6:13

and then and then.

6:14

Retire because no one's

6:16

doing your dance moves better than us. Let me tell

6:18

you something, Well, shut it down. No,

6:21

she's she's on her way. She's not not what

6:23

am I saying? She's not on her way, she's she's a rye.

6:25

No, but I think that she's continuing to

6:28

like well, I think this last album because I did, I

6:31

a bunch of her stuff. Album album

6:33

is great. I love Tornado Warnings,

6:35

I love Opposite.

6:37

Opposite is so fun, already over,

6:40

already over because I loved it. Boy. I

6:42

mean, if you just listen to that album all the way through, so

6:45

good, nonsense nonsense.

6:47

I love Yeah so much.

6:49

It's such a sweet song. Yeah.

6:52

I mean, also the way that

6:54

she ends every live performance with like a different

6:57

rhyme rhyme.

6:58

Okay, I don't know. I just think she's fucking cute

7:00

and great and more. And I guess Tortured

7:02

Poets Department was made

7:04

by I suppose her mother, her

7:07

mom, her mom, Taylor

7:10

Taylor's and she is the world's mom.

7:15

Let's talk Tortured Poets Department. This

7:18

is an album that I'm just gonna say

7:20

up top, we will

7:22

look back on and be like, damn,

7:25

this is pretty fucking major. I think

7:28

that what's happening right now is the discourse

7:30

is out of fucking control and people

7:32

are bending themselves into a pretzel trying

7:35

to figure out what they want to like land

7:38

on in a concrete way. And like, I

7:40

think the fact that it was thirty one songs like

7:42

made everyone so like frustrated

7:45

and overwhelmed that that, like that

7:48

was the headline, right, Because Yeah,

7:51

here's the thing, this is my take. I'm just gonna

7:53

get out of the way. She needed to get to thirty

7:56

one, right, And I

7:59

don't discount that as a reason

8:02

as a motivating force, because so

8:04

much of this album is her literally

8:06

subverting, inverting all these things that we

8:08

know about her. Yeah, and like she's basically

8:11

instead of breaking any new sonic ground, she

8:13

is dipping back into I think

8:16

you were the one to put this idea into my head, Like she's

8:18

dipping back into all of her old styles and albums

8:21

and approaches to songwriting. And she's kind

8:23

of, as it were, putting like

8:25

a Sepiatone filter on everything, which is kind of

8:27

what she was doing on social media anyway, Like

8:30

all of it was being like Cepiotone, right.

8:32

It was like whatever photos were coming out of the

8:34

tour in the post US

8:37

legs were like,

8:39

oh, this is like the treatment

8:41

now for everything, And I think this is retroactively

8:44

the treatment in a very clever

8:47

clever seems like so like not the right word

8:49

like savvy way where it's like when

8:51

she was putting out those playlists and Apple music where it

8:53

was like, oh, it's all the stages of grief. It's

8:56

her like recontextualizing all her own music. I

8:58

think that is a very intentional thing. Think that is a

9:00

statement on the album itself, which is, yeah, everything

9:03

you know about me, I'm looking back at

9:05

retroactively redundant, but yes,

9:07

you know what I mean, Like I'm retroactively considering this

9:10

and the chapter is closed, We're moving on. Yeah.

9:12

I mean, I think the fact that she came out and said

9:14

this was a chapter in my life that's closed, we're

9:16

moving on, like, is such an because

9:19

I remember when the Aristotle was happening. I

9:21

threw out there at one point, like I wonder how

9:24

healthy it is to be doing this

9:26

and also have the entire world's

9:28

attention. And some people

9:30

were like, oh, like she's speculate.

9:33

I'm like, how healthy it is? Blah blah blah, Like you know that.

9:37

But I also think that she's sort of answered

9:39

that question here, which is it was

9:41

not the healthiest time of her

9:43

life doing this, like she had this relationship

9:46

and and whatever about the personal aspects

9:48

of it all, because I'm I think we're putting

9:50

the car before the horse a lot with her, because

9:54

if you just make it about the music, it's a way simpler

9:56

conversation. There are so

9:59

many fucking incredible songs on this,

10:01

and I really think people would do themselves a

10:03

favor if they started listening to her music

10:06

as if they're the protagonist of the songs

10:09

and not she is the protagonist, or

10:11

by the same token, the antagonist of these

10:14

songs like take Taylor Swift

10:16

out of it and just experience the song

10:19

just a big ass.

10:20

Yeah, it's not as easy as

10:22

it is said

10:24

to accomplish because I think that she obviously

10:27

looms so large. But what I'm I

10:29

guess pulling is that, like, this album

10:31

is a collection of songs that she

10:33

wrote during one of the most intense

10:36

periods of her life, and so yes,

10:38

it is a little bit messy.

10:40

Yes, it is like big. It's

10:42

also like lyrically.

10:44

People saying that she's not experimenting here, she's like

10:46

way more frank, she curses a

10:48

lot more, she's like talking about

10:50

like it's just like a rougher, dirtier,

10:53

like more textured

10:56

lyric throughout. Then I think

10:59

she's given so to say there's no experimentation

11:01

here, I don't think is totally correct. I

11:03

get that it feels like a lot of these sounds we've

11:06

heard before, but if you

11:08

really listen to this album, I think what

11:10

she gave is like nineties

11:13

VH one country

11:15

rock, girly, and

11:19

that is kind of what I wanted. Yeah,

11:21

it's just there is so much music, so it's hard to

11:24

get through it all just physically, and I think

11:27

that's informing some of the takes, like Oh, I'm

11:29

throwing my hands up in there because I'm already overwhelmed

11:31

this too much. But once you really fucking

11:33

listen, there's a ton

11:36

of great.

11:37

Fucking shit here. It is that genre

11:39

and I love that for her. Yes, I agree with all

11:41

of what you're saying. What I did last night

11:44

was, if you have

11:46

an Apple Music subscription, put

11:49

it on the TV, have the lyrics

11:52

next to you. Yes. Yes, it's

11:54

such an interesting experience. I

11:56

think she also it doesn't really matter,

11:59

but it's like I think what she would

12:01

want because it is such a right early

12:03

album. Yeah, it is such a lit

12:07

Manger kind of thing. Yeah.

12:09

I found it really really engrossing

12:12

in that way.

12:13

Yeah, it's so funny because she rotates between

12:15

being very like one to one

12:18

in her lyrics, like and now I'm down bad crying

12:20

at the gym. Yeah, and then in

12:22

like contrast to that, there's the

12:24

Albatross and there's like almost everything on the

12:27

anthology which is like very

12:30

dense. And I think that some of

12:32

the comments, like

12:35

in some of the more negative reviews, is

12:37

that it feels like it's too much

12:39

words and it needs like inner cuts and edits to

12:41

like get through it.

12:42

But I kind of think that all

12:45

of that is the point. Like it's

12:47

like, yeah, it's her version of a tortured poetry

12:49

book that she's putting through a Taylor

12:52

Swift lens. Yeah, And if it's polarizing

12:54

to people, A, I think that's good, and

12:57

I think that will make everything about going

12:59

forward more interesting. And

13:02

B I think again, you don't have

13:04

to sit there and listen to all thirty one of these in a row.

13:06

No, like, let them just be

13:08

songs. Yeah, because that's really all I are. People.

13:11

Hmmm. I think

13:14

that her not

13:17

having this filter. I think this album is

13:19

like an unfiltered cigarette totally

13:22

her not having that filter literally

13:24

figuratively. I think she is

13:26

seizing this as the first post

13:29

Eras tour album released, Like every

13:31

eye and ear is gonna be on this. What

13:33

can I do that I can only do now?

13:36

Like this is another carte

13:38

blanche for me, right, because you know what, she didn't

13:40

really get that with nineteen eighty nine. She

13:42

did not get the opportunity to do a post Imperial

13:45

Phase album to be like I can make

13:47

this whatever I want, right, She was kind of backed into recorder was

13:49

pushed into push into reputation, and.

13:51

In saying that, like as a follow

13:54

up to nineteen eighty nine, even without all

13:56

the stuff around it, reputation

13:58

like incredible album r but like she conceptually

14:02

had to have some reactionary work,

14:06

like after the whole Kim Kanye show.

14:08

Yes, she did not have the opportunity

14:10

until now to come

14:13

off of one of the biggest moments

14:16

of her career and then be like I can do whatever.

14:18

This is true imperial phase. I'm

14:21

lucky enough to get a second one. Yes, what can

14:23

I do with this opportunity? This

14:26

is maybe the only time in her career. I

14:28

don't know, this is not totally informed, but like

14:31

she's gonna put out an album with thirty one songs on it and

14:33

have everyone listen to it, right what I mean? Yes?

14:36

I feel like also one thing that's getting lost is

14:39

when people are like, oh, it's thirty one songs,

14:41

Like that's too much for an album. It is two

14:43

albums. There's a fifteen song album

14:45

and a sixteen song second album, or

14:48

a sixteen song album and a fifteen song follow

14:50

up.

14:50

So think about it that way if people need it to

14:53

be easier for them. But I think

14:55

like what you're saying about it feeling

14:58

cumulative and also imperial, especially

15:00

in this moment, is so dead on, because

15:03

what I think we have here is.

15:05

Like the bitchy

15:07

grown daughter of Red and

15:10

Reputation. Like I really feel like that's

15:12

what we have here. It feels like a sequel to both those

15:14

albums to me in a way, Red

15:16

because of the genre that I think we pretty

15:18

much land on and Yes,

15:21

and also Reputation in that

15:23

there is a lot of comment personal

15:26

comment that you can apply to yourself

15:28

once you get through like

15:30

what this moment is, which is the release and everyone

15:33

doing the decoding thing that happens with her. What

15:35

you'll find is I think similar to what you find

15:37

with Reputation, which is just great music. Yeah.

15:40

And I also think it's like that daughter

15:42

of Red and Reputation, like graduated

15:44

from Evermore College and vacation

15:47

did Midnights. And I feel like there's

15:50

also a lot of speak now in this just sonically

15:53

there's a lot of speak now. Yeah, I think so high school is speak

15:55

now, I think so.

15:55

And I also think that Clara bo kind of gives

15:58

speak now, Clara Bow gives Lucky from

16:00

Red too. Yeah, It's like the grown up version of

16:02

the Lucky Ones, right.

16:03

And I think that what's so great

16:06

about all of this is that it was

16:08

created during the Eras tour, when she

16:10

was immersed in all of those eras. So as

16:13

a fan, this is very satisfying if

16:15

you're looking at it like a collective. And I

16:17

also think just from an artistic

16:19

standpoint, what she's done

16:22

is she has funneled what I would

16:24

essentially call and I'm not saying this pejoritay ofly

16:26

like a manic period, and

16:29

you feel that in the music, like the

16:31

extremes of the emotions, like

16:33

the extremes of the lyricisms, the sort

16:36

of places that she's going. Sometimes

16:40

I recognize it as being like

16:43

a pure example of whatever

16:45

emotion that is.

16:46

Like Who's afraid of Little Old Me?

16:48

Is pure anger channeled into

16:50

this like big pop song,

16:53

which is like again, like I think, spiritually

16:56

a sequel to reputation in a really

16:58

fun way. And I I also think there's

17:01

like some question about like

17:04

how seriously she takes herself as like

17:06

a tortured poet. Remember guys

17:08

that she's like the biggest and best

17:10

pop star in the world, and she's incredibly

17:12

good at putting on these different costumes, she in

17:15

fact knows they are eras

17:17

well enough to brand it that way. So

17:20

she is wearing a costume as this tortured

17:23

poet. She went through something, saw

17:25

what the body of work was giving and said, this is

17:27

like tortured poetry, and I see an aesthetic

17:29

there. So that to me is

17:31

all fun and specific and great.

17:34

And she does seem in control

17:37

of it me in a complete way.

17:39

And some people seem to really bristle

17:41

at this theory, and I kind of have like

17:43

some weariness around it. But like if

17:46

like the asylum imagery motif

17:48

in this is connecting

17:50

to like a manic episode, which

17:52

like a lot of people really like have

17:55

sensitivities around that word totally of

17:57

course, so valid, But

17:59

I I like that lens too of like,

18:02

oh, yeah, this relationship

18:05

you were in for six seven years is

18:08

over as you're on the highest

18:10

grossing tour of all time right while

18:12

you're dating this like really

18:15

chaotic person. Like all of these

18:17

things are like shrapnel

18:20

in the explosion. Yeah you know what

18:22

I mean? Yes, And I also think she

18:25

has always in fact, it's been like the

18:27

bit about her, like she puts her relationships

18:30

into her music, right, and so that's like a

18:32

way that she funnels her emotion. And

18:35

so the fact that she

18:37

had this one relationship

18:39

that has defined a lot of her music from probably the

18:41

past better part of a decade ending

18:44

and this other one starting and being so

18:47

crazy like that insanity

18:49

and like I said that messiness, and I say that in a

18:51

good way, like this was

18:54

always gonna be the kind of album that she made

18:56

at this time. Huh. The

18:58

fact that it feels like a little whatever quote unquote

19:01

unedited, I think is good

19:03

and interesting and exciting me too. I'm

19:05

sure people will listen to this and it'll

19:07

come off as us like quote unquote defending

19:10

her. I don't really feel that she doesn't. She

19:13

doesn't need defense or protection really,

19:16

and what she has done

19:18

that I think is forever like

19:22

defining her career, which

19:24

is like crazy to think about it this way.

19:26

She's like really and I

19:28

say this like genuinely, like this is

19:31

genius, Like she did something that

19:33

not a lot of artists have done, which

19:36

is with the Eras tour when she announced that concept,

19:38

like it was so revolutionary,

19:42

but it was. It's just like she destroys

19:45

the binary between like new work old

19:47

work because it's like you're touring

19:49

artist. Let's say you're McCartney.

19:52

You go out with your new album, people

19:54

still want to hear you sing like Backbird,

19:56

you know, like they want you to play the hits. This

19:59

is someone who like the legacy

20:01

stuff and the new stuff is

20:03

on the same level. Like

20:06

that hasn't really ever happened.

20:09

I mean, like in my memory, my myopic,

20:11

small limited scope, like

20:14

that hasn't happened before. Like

20:16

an artist who like fucking changes

20:19

the paradigm so completely. And

20:23

I think going forward, I don't know what she

20:25

does except for recontextualize

20:28

all of the stuff that comes before. I think, whatever

20:30

she does going forward, And I'm so interested

20:33

to see what twelve and thirteen are albums twelve and thirteen

20:35

are because it's like, up until

20:37

thirteen, is it gonna be like just And

20:41

I hope it's not, because there is a danger to this. I

20:43

hope it's not pure navel gazy. I hope it's not

20:45

pure like let's look at what I've done, even

20:48

though she's allowed to do that because she is so prolific

20:50

that way. But I'm like, my gut

20:52

is telling me this is her album of like let me

20:55

just get all of the retrospection out

20:57

of the way. Yeah, and then twelve

20:59

is going to be something interesting, I hope,

21:02

I'm sure. And thirteen is gonna

21:04

be oh, whatever it is, it's

21:06

gonna be huge and studio symbolic. It's gonna

21:08

represent something. The obvious thing

21:10

to me seems to be like it'll be like country,

21:13

pure country again when that like

21:16

quote unquote trend is maybe like done

21:18

with the other girlies, like she will

21:20

return to that and like claim it as hers or something.

21:23

But yeah, I mean like in

21:25

some ways this is reminding me of reputation when

21:27

people were like she's over exposed, like

21:31

there is that fatigue setting in which,

21:33

you know, I think she also saw coming where it's like

21:37

she might as well like ride that wave and

21:39

like put out something that will be polarizing and divisive

21:42

and people will have opinions about. Yeah. I

21:44

think it was surprising that it was coming now,

21:46

of course, because it really feels like

21:48

a fall album and you know what I mean, like

21:51

and it kind of feels like it would be in

21:53

line with the stuff that she is, you know, famously

21:56

and historically released in the Fall, and

21:58

it doesn't feel like it's giving summer,

22:01

So maybe that is some of like the

22:03

polarized reaction is just people like not

22:05

necessarily being in the mood for what they

22:08

certainly will be in the mood for when they

22:10

have their little hot Coco in there. This is

22:12

gonna fucking hit kN October.

22:15

It really is, And I feel

22:17

like the reason why it's coming now in

22:19

April is because they had to probably add

22:22

it to the tour. I would imagine that

22:25

we're getting serious cuts to the Era's tour

22:27

and they're gonna give a whole tortured

22:29

poet section at the end, and like She's

22:32

gonna go in. We're probably getting seven

22:35

songs and we'll talk about like specifically what

22:38

might be fun to see because I go back

22:40

and forth, like literally I yesterday

22:43

I tried to make like a playlist, like if

22:45

I were to narrow down the album, you know what I mean,

22:47

Like even doing that, like my

22:50

playlist just this album was still over

22:52

twenty two to twenty three songs ago. There's

22:55

not that much here. There's not

22:57

as much chap as people are saying, not at

22:59

all. And if there are

23:01

those songs that you think are on that short list,

23:05

listen to them again. Because even if it

23:07

might not hit at first, Like there's

23:09

really interesting lyrical

23:11

stuff happening here, and like I

23:14

just think that it's better than

23:16

you think. And I think we're kind of like tripping ourselves

23:18

up by being overwhelmed.

23:21

People have been so defensive about

23:23

their reaction to this album, Like I've had more than

23:25

one person come to me and be like, I haven't

23:27

gotten through it yet.

23:28

I just feel like it's a lot. I'm

23:30

like, babe, I don't care if you like

23:33

it or don't like but there is this preciousness

23:36

and this like you know, panic about

23:38

reacting to this album and like arriving

23:41

at a take, which is like not why

23:43

we have music. There's a metatake on it

23:45

for people to write. There's like I have a take on my take,

23:48

yes, which is so interesting.

23:50

Maybe we're like doing that right now too. You know.

23:53

I literally got tripped up last night because I was like,

23:55

oh God, like I can't then I was

23:57

our episode about tortured poets, like what are we gonna

23:59

say? And I'm like, wait, hold on, slow your role for

24:01

a second. Music. It's music, and

24:03

it's fucking great music.

24:05

And I think like these bizarre

24:08

like sprints to the

24:10

take are not gonna work on something

24:13

like this and you're gonna look back on your

24:15

take or your work and you're

24:17

gonna be like hmmm. I reacted to that

24:19

quickly, like it happens with her all

24:21

the time, like Pitchfork, And I did

24:24

think that that review did make some points,

24:27

but I thought it was about a point too low

24:29

or a point and a half too low in terms of the score, because

24:32

we have yet again with her, like they

24:34

in particular have done many times, because they

24:37

retroactively rate her.

24:38

Hire a lot. Yeah, they

24:40

interroactively rate everyone a lot higher. Yes,

24:43

And I feel like we in the race

24:45

to have a take or try to figure out this album,

24:48

you're actually doing a disservice to a

24:50

lot of the work here, because while

24:53

again I think there are some points to be made

24:55

about, like it might be

24:57

interesting to see her work with someone outside

25:00

of Jack and Aron next time. Like I

25:02

do agree that any artist

25:05

should have a period where they go off

25:07

and reconfigure and like start working

25:09

with new people, and I think it is revitalizing.

25:12

We remember when Beyonce took time off

25:14

before four and came back as a new

25:16

artist. You know, that's like exciting

25:19

and that's an opportunity. So I think there

25:22

is some stuff in the criticism here that's

25:24

potential to listen to. When I say that as

25:26

a huge fan of not only just Taylor

25:28

but also Jack and Aaron, So

25:31

I think there is something there. But it is

25:33

the Internet

25:36

culture, yeah, and that's nobody's fault, except

25:38

like the culture

25:41

of spreading to a take with everything, and you

25:43

know that's nothing new. Yeah, I don't know. It's

25:45

reminding me of Reputation a lot, where there were

25:48

just these god

25:50

like so many informational

25:53

pieces about like what's this lyric

25:55

mean? And in the end that

25:58

stuff doesn't really matter. And I'm not

26:00

saying I'm like inoculated

26:02

from like what everyone else is thinking and feeling, but

26:04

like, I don't really care what song is

26:06

about Maddie and what song is about Joe. I'm

26:08

kind of like I don't care about that at all, and neither

26:11

does any of her fans. Like when you go to the aristour

26:13

like and you look around and you see someone living

26:16

their fucking life singing all too

26:18

well, they're not thinking about how that's about

26:20

Jake Jillnhull. They're thinking about how it applies to

26:22

their life, which is I guess why I'm saying, like, start

26:25

listening to her music as if

26:27

you're the protagonist and try to apply it to your

26:30

own life instead of like falling down

26:32

a cliff trying to like figure out what it

26:34

means for her. It doesn't need to be that.

26:36

She's always been the best.

26:39

Communicator in pop music songwriting

26:41

because she can communicate.

26:43

What you are feeling, what her audience

26:45

is feeling, and that's still here. I

26:47

think this album has some

26:50

of her best songwriting. And I also

26:53

agree that it is superfluous,

26:56

like any other thing, you

26:58

know what I mean, Like, yeah, like any other of

27:00

her albums, And I think she understands that on

27:02

some level, it's okay not to like tie it back to my

27:05

work. But it's like it's like when

27:07

everyone's like snalos'm and goods and blah

27:09

blah blah. If you go back and pick any episode

27:11

from any season, it's like watch one

27:13

episode. There's some great sketches, there's

27:16

some bad sketches, there are some mid sketches.

27:18

That's just how it works, because why

27:21

we have to fill out an hour and a half of television,

27:24

right that is like part of

27:26

the production and like and but you're thinking Oh it's

27:28

Taylor Stow. She can make any album any links to what she wants

27:31

totally. But like I'm saying, I think she wanted

27:33

to get to thirty one. Yeah, because

27:35

it is, you know, neatly

27:38

this subverted, reversed

27:41

thing that like we know, we think

27:43

we're so familiarized with something about

27:45

her, and yet she is telling us that,

27:47

like and maybe she's inverting it because

27:49

it's like this is probably the most internally

27:53

mainlined album she's ever put

27:55

out. Yeah too, you know that she's her insides

27:57

are out. Literally some of the.

28:00

Lines, I'm like so shook

28:02

by that sounded so fucking basic, but like

28:05

what I guess what I mean is like what if

28:07

he's written mine on my upper thigh only

28:09

in my mind? Like Guilty of Sin

28:12

Is, I think my favorite song on the album, and I'm

28:14

gonna say this out into the atmosphere.

28:16

This must be in the tour. Okay,

28:19

Guiltiest sin Is.

28:20

I think some of her best writing

28:22

and specific like that thing

28:25

of when you've already been

28:27

romantic intimate with someone to

28:30

like an embarrassing degree, to an emotional

28:32

degree, because you know that's where it's

28:35

headed, like.

28:36

That your mind has got ahead of itself, has got

28:38

ahead of reality. Yeah, there's

28:40

just not a lot of songs

28:43

that can like not only spell out

28:45

that specific feeling, but then like really

28:49

it takes you on a ride that song. And

28:51

I love the type of song that

28:53

is.

28:53

I made a list of, like I guess, like all

28:55

my favorite songs in order, and

28:58

the stuff that rises to the top for me

29:01

is this like nineties like

29:04

rock moment, like but Daddy,

29:06

I love him. I think the chicks would be proud

29:08

of that, you know what I mean, Like Guiltiest

29:11

Sin incredible, like so high school,

29:13

Oh, so high School's amazing. I love

29:15

the Black Dog so much. I love

29:18

that starting line reference made me scream.

29:20

We watched it.

29:21

Who listened to it together? And also God

29:23

blessed the starting line And they're streaming numbers now

29:25

they just pop all the way off and they're

29:27

thankful. Yeah, I mean, but that's like old

29:30

habits die screaming, Like

29:32

come on, I don't know like this, don't talk

29:34

to me about how she's Some of these articles

29:37

were like fun to read, I guess, Like the paste article

29:39

I thought was fun to.

29:40

Read, you know what I mean, Like I thought the pork

29:42

thing.

29:44

It was brutal, but like I was reading it as

29:46

if like, this is this person popping off, not

29:48

like I, yeah, I necessarily agreed. I

29:51

was just like, oh, this is content about this album

29:53

that I find entertaining. I'm sure you

29:55

know Taylor read it and had a different perspective,

29:58

but I was like, yeah, interesting and so

30:02

intense unproving that she's like

30:05

lost it or flopped on this album. And

30:07

they basically did the equivalent of like screenshotting

30:09

the quote unquote cringe lyrics and putting

30:12

them in highlight.

30:12

But I was gonna be my I don't think so, honey, Yes,

30:15

and it should be.

30:16

Yeah, But I was just like, this article

30:19

deliberately ignores so

30:21

much of the excellent work here, and

30:24

that's really just a testament to how fucking high

30:26

level of quality she always delivers. That people

30:28

can literally with a com go through and pull

30:30

out lyrics and like try to, you

30:33

know, sniper rifle find where she's

30:35

maybe slipped up, Like I'm sorry, but she hasn't.

30:38

Over twenty of these are genius.

30:40

What's like that is like the definition

30:42

of like removing context from something right, Like I also,

30:44

I kind of my eye just skims

30:46

over in any review for any album.

30:49

Yeah, like when they

30:52

reference the lyrics, I understand, like journalistically,

30:54

that's like what you're supposed to do. But I'm like, if

30:56

I read a song lyric no matter what, no matter who

30:58

it's by, I'm gonna be like, that sounds stupid. Yeah,

31:01

you know you know what I mean. Even poetry,

31:03

if it's like if the line breaks, if it's not formatted

31:06

the way that like the poet intended, I'm like, yeah,

31:08

well that's dumb. That sounds stupid as

31:10

fuck. But yeah, I mean I get

31:12

why it's done. And I do love the memes of

31:14

people like taking the genius you

31:17

know Instagram post graphing their own lyrics onto

31:19

it, for sure. But sometimes when

31:21

people are like why is she talking about Grand Theft Daughto,

31:23

It's like, okay, oh give me a break, it's just

31:25

on line. Just just listen to the song. The

31:27

article is about being like in a high school

31:30

mentality, touch me while your bros played

31:32

Grand Theft Auto. But you loved that line when we heard

31:34

it, Like it's like I appreciate that

31:36

she wrote a song for len me. Yeah,

31:39

I mean what American pie Grand

31:41

Theft daughta. Yeah. Oh this is also

31:43

six is coming out soon anyway, so just wait

31:45

a year and then you're gonna fucking love it. This is what I'm

31:47

gonna say when that article is like

31:50

an album that will single handedly set poetry

31:52

back like by existing, Like, first

31:55

of all, shut the fuck up, because

31:57

she is again, I'm a pop star who

32:00

is doing this tortured poet thing like it's

32:02

a pop star era. It's a character.

32:05

It's like a character. It's

32:07

not like she doesn't actually

32:10

consider herself a tortured

32:12

poet.

32:12

Like she even said like I'm not Patti Smith, You're

32:15

not Dylan Thomas in torture Poet's

32:17

the song like this isn't the Chelsea Hotel, Like

32:19

it's not.

32:19

Actually that deep.

32:22

It's just a way for her to commit

32:24

to an aesthetic that matches the

32:27

sound and the tone of what she's doing.

32:29

So what I would say is

32:31

like touch grass. If that's what your

32:33

takeaway is, don't worry. Poetry is

32:36

okay. Taylor Swift is not destroying

32:38

or setting back poetry. It's that kind of like

32:41

hyperbolic commentary

32:43

on this type of thing, which a is

32:47

just too fast, too soon, and

32:49

also be like you

32:51

know, that's not what is happening here, Like you

32:54

the writer know she's not setting poetry

32:56

back with this. It's a pop music album. Do

33:07

we want to look at tracks

33:10

highlight?

33:10

I mean, let me just say down bad

33:13

crying at the gym when she

33:15

fucked that alien. I

33:17

said, this was I already have

33:20

a music.

33:20

Video in my head for this. I really hope she'd makes

33:22

the video with this. I love want tout an alien abduction.

33:25

Uh, she got

33:28

abducted by this alien, sent back

33:30

and now she's down back, crying at the gym, fucking

33:32

icing her injuries.

33:34

Like my first couple listens, I was like, oh,

33:36

she's talking about an X. I was like, oh

33:38

okay, like did you beat me up? Like okay, great,

33:41

But then like that line of like they'll

33:43

think I'm nuts if I like talk about your existence

33:46

Like I'm like, oh of course, Like it's

33:48

yeah, I love that. It's like post

33:52

breakup depression grafted

33:54

onto like being abducted by aliens and

33:57

also something that like didn't happen

33:59

for our long time.

34:01

It's like this experience, it's more it's

34:03

less a relationship she had and more of an

34:05

experience that she had in an emotion that

34:07

she feels as a result of it like have

34:09

don't we all had that metaphor, he had that metaphor

34:11

of like oh God.

34:12

It felt like I was like wraps her up into the sky. I

34:14

mean, that's what the cosmic thing of it is. And

34:17

I do think a lot of this also speaks to

34:19

Ariana's album, like like Ariana's

34:22

album is about that experience

34:24

too, of like reeling outside

34:26

of something and then entering something else. And I also

34:28

think it's the miracle move on drug. Yes,

34:31

there's a lot going on here, even a lot of the visuals.

34:33

It feels like there was like some like mindedness

34:36

in a good way. But when

34:38

I first listened through Down

34:41

Dad was just.

34:42

It popped out to me because it's Taylor,

34:45

and I think that there's not a lot

34:47

of Taylor on this album,

34:50

and after Eras when it was extremely

34:52

Taylor, like to get so much Taylor

34:55

hard or tailor like feels

34:59

maybe not we wanted her expected, but it kind

35:01

of is what I wanted and expected. Yet

35:04

there are things like down Bad where she goes

35:06

fucket a fuck can't have him, or

35:08

I can be like a little bitch walking

35:10

the streets and like you know, might shake

35:13

my Tayla asks you know what I mean people

35:16

saying that there's not a lot of opportunities to shake

35:18

your ass like Tayla on this album, Like,

35:21

just do another listen through because

35:23

down Bad is here for you. Like you

35:25

know, there's moments, it's just it's a more like

35:27

it's balance, and that's just what it is. She

35:30

gave you nineties v H

35:32

one woman, It's it's quill Pen, Fountain

35:34

Pen, Taylor. I don't think we've ever done

35:37

the one to one on Tayla.

35:39

Taylor taylora every now and

35:42

then with what

35:44

she has parsed out herself as

35:47

I have songs that are quill Pen, glittergel

35:49

Pen. Yeah, fountain Pen and glitter

35:52

jel Pen obviously is Taylor or Tayla. I'm

35:54

so sorry, Oh my god, Wow, I can't believe they got that wrong. And

35:58

it's a little bit murkier when you go into

36:00

quill pen found Pen territory. But both of those

36:03

kind of combined to form Taylor. Yeah

36:05

again, Taylor knows about

36:08

Taylor Taylor.

36:09

She now knows, and so that's why she approached

36:11

this album the way she did as a result of

36:13

your interaction with her.

36:15

I know you love the Albatross I love

36:18

the Albatross so much. When I

36:20

first saw this as a track,

36:22

this is supposed to be one of the bonus tracks on the

36:24

original album, I was like, Oh,

36:27

is this a Fluwood Mac reference?

36:29

Because before Stevie and Lindsay joined,

36:31

Fleetwood Mac has an instrumental

36:34

song called Albatross and Baby

36:38

put it on before you go to bed. It is

36:40

gonna send you to Dreamland. It's gonna

36:42

put you on the little barge to Dreamland

36:45

and then push you down the river. Such

36:48

a beautiful and enchanting song. I thought it would be referenced

36:50

to that. It wasn't. I was shocked,

36:52

delighted. It's a really beautiful

36:55

song. I think this has her best lyrics.

36:56

I think not only would I comment lyrics,

36:58

can I agree with you? It's like among her better

37:01

lyrics, but.

37:02

Her vocal on this is really

37:04

good, Like the Albatross

37:06

has some incredible

37:09

backing vocals like this is what I'm

37:11

saying is it's like you can't appreciate

37:15

the texture of all

37:17

of this reacting quickly

37:19

to an album this long

37:22

and this vast, because you

37:24

need to have a take, like, actually

37:26

listen to what's going on here, Like the

37:29

Albatross has just incredible stuff

37:31

happening lyrically, sonically, like

37:34

this is I think, by far

37:36

one of the best. Like I made this list last night.

37:38

It's one, two, three, four, five on my list.

37:40

Great, it's ranked.

37:42

I have Guilty of Sin number one, but Daddy I Love

37:44

Him number two, down Bad number three, the black

37:47

Dog number four, Albatross number

37:49

five, so high School number six, Fresh

37:51

Out the Slammer I love.

37:52

I love Rush Out the Slammer because she gave

37:54

you a little bit of this fresh other

37:57

slammer. And I said,

37:59

thank you, thank you.

38:00

Taylor for showing up, because

38:03

you're welcome here always Taylor. Yes,

38:06

and then I have Fortnite, which grew on

38:08

me, Thank you, Amy, and Love of my Life.

38:10

Those are my top ten love. I have not taken

38:12

it upon myself to rank, and that's what makes

38:14

this album. So choose your own adventure. Yes.

38:18

And by the way, this playlist

38:20

that I made is called this is what I personally believe,

38:24

and.

38:24

I will share a public is the Matt Rogers

38:26

catchphrase. That's the essence in one

38:29

sense. Honestly, this could be the album title. This

38:31

is what I personally believe.

38:33

Maybe that's my next album is called this is what I personally

38:35

believe, and it's tortured Poets Coded, and that's

38:37

the.

38:37

Title of this episode. This is what I

38:39

personally believe. What

38:42

do you think of thank you Amy? And the capitalization of

38:44

K, I and AM as letters. I

38:48

love capitalizing on those letters. I

38:50

think that Taylor this is a sign

38:53

of Taylor being fully of like the reason

38:55

why everyone's like, why is she still you

38:57

know, relitigating this or digging this up again? Because

39:01

I think it is purely retrospective,

39:03

right. I think she's looking back at like the

39:06

whole story of Taylor Swift because

39:09

it's been motivated by the Ariostour. I

39:11

think she's looking back on a lot of the things

39:13

that have defined her career so far, and she's

39:15

going, let me actually leave this behind.

39:19

That's where thirty one comes in, you know,

39:21

like, let me actually like subvert

39:24

this move on the

39:26

chapter is closed. Like I believe her when

39:28

she says that. I think it's a great song. I

39:30

love Cassandra, which is kind of also spiritually in

39:32

the same world of like this person's

39:34

been wrong, Cassandra of Troy, nobody would listen

39:37

to her and the albatross who speaks

39:39

to that, like I have been so maligned

39:42

and so labeled as these

39:44

things like you coming into proximity

39:47

with me puts you in danger, and all

39:49

the warnings that could possibly come your

39:51

way that you ignore them shows

39:54

true love for me. Yes, I

39:56

mean that's great, that's great. There's a lot

39:58

going on in that song. I think there

40:00

are a lot of ways that it can be read. Yeah, totally,

40:02

and but wise men one said wild

40:05

Winds or Death to the Candle, that's

40:08

your opening line, bitch, don't

40:10

talk to me about bad songwriting, like you sound

40:12

so stupid, like I'm so sorry, but like, do

40:14

not tell me bad songwriting when

40:17

these are the lyrics like get out of town wild

40:20

Winds. I believe that is a Romantics

40:23

era poet Tree reference

40:26

right of like Transcendentalism,

40:28

Like I'm getting my shit mixed up. But it's like nature

40:32

being sublime, nature like

40:34

you are powerless to it, like death

40:37

to the candle, like it is snuffing out this man

40:40

made thing. Like there's

40:42

something about her art

40:45

which is sublime, which is like

40:47

bigger than her, bigger than us,

40:50

you know, Like she's saying

40:52

that like she she is a wild

40:54

wind and like people

40:56

want to like cage that people want to contain

40:59

that people fear it because they don't know it,

41:01

because it's it has this inexplicable

41:03

effect. I think this album is

41:05

like it doesn't talk about things beyond her, and that's

41:08

okay because I think it is like her reckoning

41:10

with like what she means, what

41:12

her life has been, what she wants

41:14

it to be going forward. And I think it's like I think

41:16

Clara Beau is such a beautiful closer

41:19

because it's like, this is what my legacy

41:21

means, and someone someday will

41:23

always like people will always try to

41:25

like build on it

41:28

and then maybe erase it and be like, oh, here's

41:30

someone new who reminds us of her but

41:33

is better. It's like a very bittersweet

41:35

song. It's a little bittersweet, Like it's like that

41:38

idea.

41:38

That like you could be the one, and

41:41

then when that happens, it like comes

41:44

with all these contradictions and all

41:46

these crazy things and like ultimately

41:49

an ego check at the end, you know what I mean.

41:51

That's like and I think that's why it's really fitting

41:53

that that song is last on the first album, because

41:56

what I love about this and the writing

41:59

and why I do think at some of the boldest writing

42:01

she's done is because she is

42:03

not afraid to look crazy, like

42:06

she is not afraid to look like the biggest

42:08

version of all of her emotions. I think, thank

42:11

you, Amy. The capitalizing

42:13

of Cam is vindictive as

42:15

fuck. And I think it's because she's

42:17

a little vindictive. Yeah, and she is really

42:20

out here being that, So you being

42:23

like, ugh, she's vindictive, like for that.

42:25

She knows that, you know what I mean, Like, she gets

42:28

it. She wrote the song, she felt the emotion,

42:30

she put it out there for everyone. It wasn't

42:32

a mistake to capitalize it, ki Am. I

42:34

mean she's feeling vindictive. She

42:37

feels very hurt still from that

42:39

person trying to let me remind

42:41

everyone destroy her completely

42:43

and take away her credibility. So the

42:46

fact that she turned that into

42:49

what that song is, which is when

42:51

you take away all the battles and mussles and all

42:53

the headlines about it, it's a song

42:56

about thanking your bully for making

42:58

you better, and that that is gonna connect

43:01

with her fans, with people

43:03

that have experienced that in the past, are

43:06

experiencing it. She is

43:08

who she has always been, but

43:11

an extremely elevated and still

43:14

ever challenging version of

43:17

that, and I think that that's fucking

43:20

great.

43:20

And like I said, I think it's good that this is polarizing.

43:23

I think it's good that not every

43:26

single piece that she ever puts out is

43:28

like a ten out of ten five stars,

43:31

like in terms of the way that it's received, because that

43:34

would not be good for her

43:36

or for us.

43:37

I mean, I think she knew. It doesn't matter what

43:40

she knew or knows. I think there's no way this album

43:42

is like universally acclaimed.

43:44

No way, because it is like all these things, and I'm

43:47

just it is too long, it is too verbos,

43:49

it is to this, to that, too much of the same,

43:52

too much of this that the other thing. Like this's gonna

43:54

be so many things people can say about this and

43:56

different angles people can take. That's

43:59

sort of just don't get to the heart of it, which is that the

44:01

music is fucking great.

44:03

Internet seems to not care for the alchemy.

44:05

It's like my favorite.

44:06

I think the alchemy is romantic and fun

44:09

and uzzy and big and beautiful

44:11

and gorgeous. And I think if the lyrics

44:14

are a little on the nose, that's

44:16

fucking great because it's someone being

44:18

like, after all this noise and all

44:20

this like challenge and all

44:22

this chaos.

44:23

I'm just gonna tell you my boyfriend

44:26

who plays football, touch down,

44:29

ultimately, touchdown, Ultimately

44:31

touchdown. It's actually a real culture. Number eighty

44:33

eight ultimately touchdown,

44:37

touch down. Call the amate

44:39

jersey, come from the team,

44:42

the clowns, take the cram. Baby,

44:44

I want to be Oh

44:46

my god, I don't know. It's so, it's

44:48

adorable, it's great.

44:50

I love it, And can I shout out one

44:52

of my favorite songs that's been sneaky And this is why

44:54

you have to keep going, be

44:56

patient with the album and like, listen to the miss songs.

44:59

I look in People's windows.

45:00

Oh, I love that. Love this

45:03

song. She's like again, like she's not hiding

45:05

from the fact that she's a fucking freak obsessed, you

45:08

know, Like the shortest song on the album. Yeah, who can't

45:11

relate. I guess people that are insane,

45:13

but like, there have been times after I've

45:15

had things dissolve where I've

45:17

literally looked for that person,

45:20

like and I mean, what if you looked

45:22

up and we locked eyes one more time?

45:24

Like that thing of like I need to stay

45:27

vigilant because it's not dead for

45:29

me. And I'm holding on to hope that

45:32

it's not dead for you for that one

45:35

moment, like and it's worth it for me to like

45:37

put all this energy and be this freak

45:39

and look peer in from the insides for that one

45:41

moment and the urgency

45:44

in that song I love. I love that it abruptly

45:47

ends, almost like she's embarrassed about

45:49

sharing the thought, like I love

45:52

it. It evokes this thing that you thought different

45:54

for her with such a personal corner, and

45:57

it's it's kind of not it's kind of universalized

45:59

in this huge album

46:01

that like yeah, everyone's heard

46:04

and like yeah, I mean, I

46:06

don't really care that it's a numbers ploy that

46:09

like thirty one so that I could have like the biggest

46:11

streaming debut and that the

46:14

sales equivalences or the streaming equivalences

46:17

to unit sales whatever,

46:19

blah blah blah blah. I like the business side is something

46:21

that like I also am

46:23

like for some reason tuning out. For

46:25

me, it's just like listen

46:28

to the songs

46:30

because if you do, you'll get a song

46:32

like but Daddy, I love him, and you'll

46:34

get to enjoy it because it sounds fucking great

46:36

and it's a lot of fun and also you'll realize like

46:39

it is actually incredibly risky for her

46:41

to say fuck off to her own fans.

46:44

You know what I'm saying.

46:45

It's like that to me is when the album,

46:47

like when I was first listening to it, when the album really

46:50

took off from me, was track six, But

46:52

Daddy, I Love Him.

46:53

I will say.

46:54

When I first started listening to the album,

46:57

Fortnite took a second for me. I was like, I

46:59

know, I feel like I know in my heart this is

47:01

going to be the single, So let me try to wrap

47:03

my head around that. The song has grown on.

47:05

Me so much. I'm struggling a little

47:08

bit with Tortured Poet's Department. The song like,

47:10

to me, it's just a little like I

47:12

don't get it yet.

47:14

But then right

47:16

after that, like the album like really ticks off

47:18

from me, and by the time but Daddy I Love Him

47:20

was happening, I was like, this feels

47:23

like like a like

47:25

a spiritual successor to like read

47:29

and like all too well, like the fact that it's like over five

47:31

minutes long and it's like this like epic

47:33

narrative and it being that long

47:36

and containing so much like

47:38

anger towards people who like, quote unquote

47:41

want the best for her but could never actually

47:43

understand her.

47:44

Yeah.

47:44

I think that also speaks to we can't be

47:46

friends. On Ariana's album, I think these

47:48

girls are reckoning

47:51

with the fact that people

47:53

that they love and appreciate are driving

47:56

them fucking nuts.

47:57

Well, it's it's now becoming

47:59

a somewhat phenomenon,

48:02

somewhat of a phenomenon where it's like you

48:04

have Doja openly violently

48:07

being like, fuck my girls, and

48:10

it's like, like the girl Like I

48:13

think like this, like this

48:15

is when stand culture

48:18

starts to like evolve into

48:20

a new stage where like maybe

48:22

it's unhealthy for everyone, yes, like

48:25

including the stands, including the people

48:27

they like worship. It's like

48:30

if someone and I'm not gonna name names, but there

48:32

are people out there who fully embrace the

48:35

fans. Yeah. And pathology,

48:38

Yeah, there's pathology. Like it's

48:40

not great if you are out there completely

48:43

embracing all of the mania

48:46

in that. Yeah, if you're inviting more

48:48

mania into your life because it is mania.

48:50

Yeah. And yeah,

48:53

it's perfect blue. It's perfect blue,

48:56

and it's actually really culture number three. Uh,

48:58

it's perfect blue. And I also think

49:01

like it's a message to people

49:03

like, listen, if I'm going to fuck

49:05

up, just let me fuck up. Just

49:08

let me do it, because because there's actually like

49:11

there's no way, yeah, that I'm

49:13

gonna stop living my life

49:16

for everyone, and you wouldn't really want that, Like

49:19

who would want their favorite

49:21

artists to not live

49:24

their fucking life and make mistakes and like

49:26

be able to be the messy fucking version.

49:28

Right, it's not Twitch Place Pokemon.

49:31

I was just gonna say, you know what I'm talking

49:34

about, Yeah, oh yeah, were

49:36

you following Twitch Place Pokemon. This

49:38

is when Twitch literally first started

49:40

first started out whereas everyone

49:43

was inputting, it was like millions

49:45

of people inputting like up, down,

49:48

ab left, right, yes, a game

49:50

of Pokemon red or Pokemon Blue,

49:53

and then somehow they got all the way to the end. But

49:55

it was it was like your character is kind of like

49:57

walking up and down and like dying, like remember

50:00

this. It was like by committee.

50:02

You cannot do this.

50:05

You cannot live a life by not

50:07

live a life by committee. And that's real coachure number ten.

50:09

You cannot live a life by committee. It'll

50:11

end up being Madam web. It'll end up

50:14

being Madam Webb. I didn't

50:16

see it oh you should. It's so good.

50:18

No, that invalidates everything

50:20

we've ever said. Madam Web is

50:22

the best film of the year, Last calls, canceled,

50:24

Awards taken away, oh my god, trophies,

50:27

stripped of our trophies.

50:28

Oh my god. I would love to ultimately

50:31

one day my awards taken away from me,

50:33

stripped of my trophy. That

50:35

I think is such a Chikh phrase. They were stripped

50:37

of their trophies. I think Taylor

50:40

wants that too. I think Taylor secretly wants is

50:42

pining for a scene, just for the cinema

50:44

of it to be like no, don't,

50:47

but donny, I love it well, like literally,

50:49

like we're taking your Grammys away, No, all

50:53

five hundred of them. What would she have to do

50:56

to have her Grammys taken away? I don't know,

50:58

I mean she, I don't know. What would she have to do.

51:00

She has to come out as the reason

51:02

why there are natural disasters? Right,

51:05

yeah, hey, I've ever heard of hurricanes?

51:08

That was me when I pointed at the crowd and

51:10

sow pallo, right.

51:11

I I was thinking more something

51:13

along the lines of like the Recording Academy,

51:16

like she you know, like

51:18

she does some equivalent of the slap

51:22

she did the slap, she certainly would have come out,

51:24

would not have been invited to come out of Coachella.

51:27

Oh God, here

51:29

we go, Here we go. Smith's

51:31

back, y'all. This is it's

51:34

an excellent album. We love it and

51:36

of course we do because it's good, because it's

51:38

good. And but if you had to tweet that one viral

51:41

congratulations, congratulations

51:44

on your contribution show. No.

51:46

I love tweets, I love Twitter.

51:48

I think I think that it's great. I'm so sorry,

51:51

ze it's X.

51:51

I forgot. I think it's

51:54

great. I think it's I think it's worthy. Well,

51:58

they're supposed to be because it's it's it's there's

52:01

zeats, it's it's X. I'm sorry. But if you're calling

52:03

Twitter called posts, now, no, they're

52:05

called zeats. And I don't make

52:07

the rules. I just say the rules.

52:10

Now. I want baked zeats, okay,

52:13

I want big seats too, and wash

52:15

out the slimmer ah no whom

52:18

lovers call it beats. Mussy

52:20

will be to my big ZD place

52:31

as promised, we

52:34

are here to talk about twenty thirteen,

52:37

a cultural excavation. Thank you for

52:39

making it all the way here. If you don't care for

52:41

Taylor. If you don't care for the album and you're

52:44

still listening, Bravo,

52:46

brava to you. Oh can I just say

52:48

I did a Berri's Oatly class on

52:51

Monday. So many readers

52:53

Katie's publicist finalists, including Lindsay

52:55

Clayton, who fucking rocks.

52:58

I have to say, I see you readers

53:01

at Barry's. And if you are a reader at

53:03

Barry's, oh, you actually are a

53:05

Kyle. That's how k this

53:08

is men or women.

53:09

If you are a reader, publicist,

53:12

Katie finalist and you regularly go to Barry's,

53:14

you're a Kyle.

53:15

You're a Kyle. It doesn't matter male, female,

53:17

non binary, You're Kyle Kyle and as we

53:20

know, the most famous Kyle. Wait, we actually have

53:22

this conversation. This is a fun thing to ask you who

53:25

is the most famous Kyle. I

53:28

know you think Richards.

53:29

I didn't necessarily say that. What I'm

53:31

asking you what you think who is the most famous Kyle

53:34

x Y.

53:38

Period.

53:39

I can't argue with that one, but you think it's Richards.

53:42

So there seems to be like a discussion

53:44

who's more famous certain

53:47

gig group chats.

53:47

I think a one that I'm in. Okay, Kyle

53:50

Richards, Kyle McLaughlin and Kyle Chandler

53:53

seem to be the three. Kyle McLachlan,

53:56

you think Kyle McLaughlin is more famous,

53:58

like in terms of people know that his name. Yes,

54:01

then Kyle Richards, Yes, I

54:03

think it's demographic. I think it's I

54:06

think and it's very that guy famous,

54:08

like, oh I know that guy.

54:09

He was in the original Dude, yell

54:12

at me, Oh my, not yell

54:14

at me. Do not raise your voice in the way

54:17

that you just did ever again.

54:19

You're you'll be going to the slammer

54:23

fresh in.

54:26

The slammer first,

54:29

zed see it is? You

54:32

think they have Z Why

54:37

are we so good? Okay?

54:41

So you think Colmain? Okay, Queen,

54:44

how do we how do we get into Kyle? If

54:48

you were there and you will understand,

54:51

we had all these bits planned and we did

54:53

most of them. I was you never got your almond suit.

54:55

I never got my almonds suit. I was gonna beat up someone in an almond

54:57

costume at the Barris class because it was an oatly spot

55:00

sort of that. But I was

55:03

stupid, bitch. It wouldn't have worked. There

55:05

was not in a space people were on the floor. It would have been dangerous.

55:08

I got a few jokes and I was like, oh

55:10

wait, this is not It's hard to like do

55:13

bits while there's a fitness class going

55:15

on. Can I just say, hey, we actually have.

55:16

To move you from D twenty nine because Bowen needs

55:18

that space because he's gonna do a bit where he fights.

55:21

Yeah, someone in an amendcost, but they were they were

55:23

prepared to like go all out and like do whatever.

55:25

I was like, no, I think people want to come for

55:27

a class. So I like

55:30

ran on the treadmill for like two minutes,

55:32

and then I was so out of breath that like my brain was

55:34

like, we're you're not performing right

55:37

now. You're you're You're actually gonna

55:39

like not do that. And then when I tried to everything

55:41

that came out of my mouth made no sense. When Lindsay threw it

55:43

over to me, like Bowen, what do you think? I was like, how

55:46

am I doing? Like it was? I was truly

55:50

so not myself.

55:52

I felt like Grimes at Coachelle. I was like, everything's

55:55

going wrong. I'm bad Crimes

55:57

Coachell. I felt like crimes that coach.

56:01

Wow, So thank you for coming and thank you

56:03

for being patient with me that it was a lot of fun.

56:05

I saw some people that I follow were in your

56:07

class, and as someone said that immediately

56:10

when the class started, you said, this first sprint is going

56:12

to be at twenty, which I think is iconic.

56:15

I love it. But this one finalist,

56:18

Kyle yeah sprinting at a fourteen.

56:22

Jeez, I can't believe the most

56:24

lives on his twelve. Most I've done his ten

56:27

fourteen is but this guy also

56:29

had redwood tree legs, tall, tall

56:31

motherfucker and he was Taylor

56:33

Swift or Travis Kelceer, Travis Kelsey.

56:36

He was a

56:38

full Kyle, full on and

56:40

if you're a Kyle out there, keep

56:43

running. Hey, Kyle,

56:46

push it to fourteen. Let's go.

56:48

This is for the girlies who go to

56:50

Berri's and instead of was in into the music

56:52

and the instructure, they pop in Lost Coach.

56:55

They want to hear torture, poets discourse.

56:57

Okay, and when we start to hit a really good

57:00

take, they pressed fourteen. Let's

57:04

talk about twenty thirteen. We needed

57:06

an episode like this. In person, I would

57:08

say even to talk about this year, it's a big one.

57:11

This is one of the most major years. I think we're

57:13

gonna end on music, because the music is major.

57:18

I think let's start with film.

57:20

You know, in starting with film, what

57:22

you're gonna find is that this

57:24

was the year of Frozen. And

57:27

can I let me just talk about this for a second.

57:30

Do you remember And this is

57:32

again why this is a valid worthy segment

57:34

because we relate it to our lives. Frozen

57:37

came out and Papa Roulette did a Frozen

57:39

sketch. What was the Frozen

57:42

sketch?

57:42

It was literally like the Frozen

57:45

sketch was Amanda was playing Anna and

57:47

Tessa was playing Elsa. And Elsa

57:49

was like, I have powers of snow.

57:51

Uh huh.

57:52

And Amanda was like, you're a lesbian.

57:54

Oh, and I feel like it

57:56

was ahead of its time. It was and

57:59

it was very like she was, It's just very like with

58:01

winds, I can create fractals. And it's like,

58:03

I think that you're having a crisis and you're a lesbian

58:06

and if you're a lesbian, you can just say that we

58:08

can We're we're a good girl.

58:09

Yeah. She's like, no, I have to leave.

58:11

Town and create a new house some ice

58:13

and snow. She's like, I feel like you are going

58:16

through it huh like that was kind of the engine

58:18

of the sketch. And I remember it

58:21

played to silence, not

58:23

because it wasn't funny because rhyme,

58:27

but because no one knew Frozen yet,

58:29

because people forget Frozen was

58:31

one of the slowest burden.

58:33

It was a slow bird in history

58:35

because it might as well have been a fucking

58:38

rustic book report the way you were

58:40

like trying to burn the pages at

58:42

the stove at the fireplace. Slow.

58:45

It was the Pirates of Caribbean. Uh huh,

58:47

of that's a slow

58:50

bird. That ride

58:52

is a slow bird. That ride could take upwards if

58:54

they're a half hour. Sometimes if the boats

58:56

aren't going quick, you'll be sitting with the pirates

58:58

for a really long time. Oh yeah, I hope

59:00

you like Yoho Ho. Hope you like Yoho

59:02

Ho and a woman chasing

59:05

a pirate around with a rolling pin. Yeah, I hope you

59:07

like girl Boss energy

59:09

because we're sitting on pirates and Frozen

59:12

is the beginning of girl Boss. Where were

59:14

you when you first heard the amazing

59:17

song Let It Go? I was with you. I think

59:19

I think we went to go see it together. We did.

59:21

I saw it with gay guys. I

59:24

saw it with kids, and then I saw it with the general

59:26

public on a plane.

59:27

And what was your favorite viewing experience? Well,

59:31

the gay guys okay, a us huh,

59:33

we saw it. I think like the first

59:35

week it came out, can we people

59:37

were not gagged. I left the theater

59:39

being like that was okay. Yeah, Well, you're famously

59:42

a tangled entangled girl through Yeah,

59:44

I'm a frozen girl. You have else the hair

59:46

period period.

59:48

I'm definitely also coated, which is tough

59:50

for me as the Hona of our friendship.

59:52

I know I was gonna say, I feel like we've always

59:54

been. You've been the Hona. I'm

59:57

still the ana. Uh huh, guy, Say a

59:59

rose any other thorn? A rose by any

1:00:02

other bud? What is the name?

1:00:04

A rose by any other name? I

1:00:07

like as any other thorn. I mean, Frozen

1:00:10

is ten things they hate about you the musical.

1:00:12

Say that again. Frozen is ten things they hate about you

1:00:14

the musical one more time. Frozen is Taming

1:00:17

of the Shrew of the musical.

1:00:18

There you go, and that's real culture.

1:00:21

Frozen one number forty. Frozen

1:00:24

is the show of the music.

1:00:26

It's like, you can't date until your sister does, right,

1:00:29

Yeah, you're dead ass. I'm

1:00:31

dead ass.

1:00:31

I'll never forget how happy I was

1:00:34

for Aunta when the gates finally

1:00:36

opens.

1:00:36

Uh huh. When she sang finally

1:00:39

they're opening up the gates, I said,

1:00:42

is that the song it's called

1:00:44

for? The finally they are? I'm

1:00:47

so happy girl. I'm gonna

1:00:49

shake my ass and sit

1:00:52

on some visiting dick. That's

1:00:55

what Anna said. Anna said, I'm so happy

1:00:58

that I get to see some dick. We had

1:01:00

kinds of dick coming

1:01:02

into Erindale. Open up the goal, Open

1:01:04

up the gates. Frozen

1:01:07

became the second animated film after Toy Story

1:01:09

three to gross one billion dollars and became the highest

1:01:12

grossing animated film at release. Congrats

1:01:15

congrats to her. I think Frozen two beat

1:01:17

that record. Later Frozen did

1:01:20

suck, although I will say you'd had some bops. Still

1:01:22

haven't seen, Still haven't seen.

1:01:24

Top grossing film Frozen internationally,

1:01:27

iron Man three, Domestic, Who

1:01:29

Cares? Okay? Best Picture

1:01:31

Oscar twelve years of Slave nine

1:01:33

nominations. This was the beginning

1:01:36

of Lupida. Yes. The Best

1:01:38

Picture win made McQueen the first black British producer

1:01:40

to ever received the award, and the first black British director

1:01:42

of a Best Picture winner. Okay, let's look at it, because

1:01:44

Okay, there are these handy tables now on some of

1:01:47

these that I think we should be bringing to the rest

1:01:49

of the years that we do. Toy was a slave.

1:01:51

I'm seeing a lot of American hustle. Gravity.

1:01:54

I was with you. Did we see gravity together? I believe

1:01:56

we did. I love gravity. I love

1:01:59

gravity so much. I think at the ending all the time, I

1:02:01

never want to see that movie again.

1:02:03

I don't think I could sit through it one more time.

1:02:05

And it's so funny to me, Like sometimes I will catch people

1:02:07

watching gravity on a plane. Why any

1:02:10

movie about an air disaster on a plane?

1:02:12

I just want to know what that person's like

1:02:14

lifestyle is, Like what got them to this

1:02:16

point where they are okay and can spiritually

1:02:19

and physically maintain composure?

1:02:21

When you're watching shit explode in the

1:02:23

air and a woman carene through space?

1:02:25

Is it like when I'm eating my lunch and

1:02:28

I'm watching YouTube of a recipe

1:02:31

of another dish, I

1:02:33

think, so okay, but it's not as dangerous.

1:02:36

It's not as dangerous like when people watch that

1:02:38

shit in the air. I'm like, what is going

1:02:40

on. Maybe it comforts them because

1:02:42

they're like, well, it can't be as bad as this. Of course, I'm

1:02:45

gagged for this Keanu Reeves movie

1:02:47

that he's making, which is why it's called The Entertainment

1:02:49

System Is Down. It's

1:02:52

it's a fucking thriller on a plane, and

1:02:54

like chaos ensues when the entertainment system

1:02:56

on the plane goes down, no one can watch movies and

1:02:59

everyone goes crazy. Wow, isn't

1:03:01

that a great And that's like and it's like an actual grounded

1:03:04

But I think it's action. I think it's like it's like

1:03:06

a stake's on a plane thing. I love the

1:03:08

title. It's called the Entertainment System Is Down. Oh I love

1:03:10

Isn't that great?

1:03:11

That's really good because that would be

1:03:14

use for serious concern

1:03:16

I would jump into action.

1:03:18

Probably made by Boeing. Okay, this

1:03:21

was so Dallas. This was the maconnaissance.

1:03:23

This isis this was the one we were in

1:03:25

the heart of the mconnaissance. I

1:03:30

suppose it was Dallas Buyer's Club. It

1:03:32

was True Detective, it was Interstellar. There

1:03:34

was that period Lincoln Lawyer. Yeah,

1:03:38

yeah, I think that's one. Yeah, us

1:03:42

not lost coach talking about Lincoln. I know, know,

1:03:44

and let's keep going blue jazzmine Okay,

1:03:47

Lynchet. This was the

1:03:49

iconic moment of Jennifer Lawrence

1:03:51

falling at the Oscars, a

1:03:54

moment that was nominated at the Lost Culture Words.

1:03:56

Yes, Jennifer most shocking moment, the

1:03:58

most shocking moment in his She

1:04:01

went down, our girl down, but she got

1:04:03

up and won. Not only does she get up,

1:04:06

she got up and she won and she won. Honey,

1:04:08

remember when One Direction was a band?

1:04:11

I do, so does everyone

1:04:13

in twenty thirteen, because guess what was the best

1:04:15

selling album of twenty thirteen, Midnight Memory

1:04:18

Midnight Memories by One Direction. Name

1:04:20

one song from it.

1:04:22

So we danced on that to

1:04:24

the best song ever? Oh wow, that's actually

1:04:26

good. You could do that. Yeah, Lost

1:04:29

Culture is this culture?

1:04:31

I definitely remember at least three other

1:04:33

songs in One Direction, such as they

1:04:36

want to Steal Maga remember

1:04:38

that one and also even

1:04:41

when the night changes.

1:04:44

This is the story of my life, This is love,

1:04:46

story of my Little Black Dress is great. That Little

1:04:48

Black Dress is like a fucking third night

1:04:50

blind song. You think this way the

1:04:53

fuck just just did in

1:04:55

the room? Did it?

1:04:57

Did it? Oh?

1:04:58

This is actually a great name. What's the what is the that's

1:05:00

one direction, there's one that's some I

1:05:02

like, what

1:05:05

is that? You're gonna have to do better than that? Uh?

1:05:11

You know you guys know listening in the car wherever

1:05:13

you are, you know the one direction starts

1:05:16

like this, brownounound bound

1:05:19

bound pound girl.

1:05:21

You can come

1:05:24

on, he was a kid. No,

1:05:27

don't throw me off, girl,

1:05:30

I don't want to say

1:05:35

yeah, yeah, hold on and

1:05:38

let me kiss you. There it is, I

1:05:41

got it you guys. I just threw myself

1:05:43

across the room. No, but you were I think you were mixing

1:05:45

two different songs up kiss you and like I

1:05:47

never thought it's so bad.

1:05:49

No, you literally

1:05:52

gave me a hot at tag. I'm

1:05:56

telling you no, Brown, let

1:05:59

me here. I'm literally going to show you how right I am.

1:06:01

And I think I'm even in key.

1:06:03

Darcy Cardon is livid right

1:06:05

now that we don't know this. Kiss you one

1:06:08

direct? No, I know, kiss you Okay, ready,

1:06:12

I'm sorry, but did I slay? I

1:06:15

just want to wait,

1:06:18

come on, this is great somewhere Katie

1:06:20

Gavin Fermuna is like I think Matt has perfect

1:06:22

pitch. You're

1:06:25

going to die a compliment that

1:06:27

I'll never like. Of course, that

1:06:30

you will never let go. Okay.

1:06:32

This is also the year of her Best Screenplay

1:06:35

Adapted and Original that can't

1:06:37

be right. Oh no, it was the

1:06:39

Best Original Screenplay winner. Of

1:06:41

course, I was like adapted, I loved her.

1:06:44

I loved her. Of course, I'm the only faggot

1:06:46

in America who thinks that. Excuse me, I just said,

1:06:48

I know that's not an original

1:06:50

thought. Best Original Song,

1:06:53

Mandela Ordinary Love see

1:06:56

like this is when?

1:06:58

Oh no.

1:06:58

At the Academy Awards.

1:07:00

The Record of the Year was to Get Lucky by Daft

1:07:02

Punk, which I don't necessarily get.

1:07:04

And then the Album of the Year was Random Access Memories.

1:07:06

Oh this was the year that Taylor's Red was

1:07:09

beat.

1:07:09

This was the year that Taylor's read because when they read

1:07:12

and the grammy goes to like there

1:07:14

was a split second re use. If you can see Taylor's

1:07:16

face, She's like, she thinks she's gonna win.

1:07:18

They heard the r Yeah, they sure did, crushing

1:07:22

And then it was Random Access Memories, which kind of

1:07:24

came out of nowhere. Also, the song of the Year was Royal

1:07:26

by Lord, and let's

1:07:28

just say I love melodrama,

1:07:31

but for me, pure Heroin by Lord is

1:07:34

an important oh, of course it is.

1:07:36

That's Lore for me. That's that's

1:07:38

Lord. It's Lord.

1:07:41

It's Lord Lare, Lord

1:07:44

Lor. Well, let's

1:07:46

just say pure Heroin is that herold

1:07:50

is Lord lor Pure Heroin is Lord Lare.

1:07:52

And I just remember being in my last semester of college

1:07:55

mm hmm high all

1:07:57

the time when worlds came out. Yes, oh I remember,

1:08:00

yes, I was right there with you girl and

1:08:02

just stomping the streets. It was like the last

1:08:05

semester of college and I was in the West Village

1:08:07

just like walking around,

1:08:09

like listening to like four hundred Lucks. Huh.

1:08:12

I love pure Heroin, Pure Heroin

1:08:14

in that first Charlie XCX album True Romance,

1:08:18

those were like that was all I was

1:08:20

listening to. I mean to

1:08:22

say, nothing of art

1:08:25

pop. We'll

1:08:27

get so, we'll get to art pop. There was so I

1:08:29

mean, this year, this is the babe,

1:08:32

gave it okay, and then let's see what else. Best New Artist

1:08:34

Malcolmore and Ryan Lewis. Other nominees included

1:08:37

Casey Musgraves, Ed Sheeron, James

1:08:39

Blake, and Kendrick Lamar. I don't think we

1:08:41

got this one right. I don't know. We

1:08:44

love Macklmore, though I don't know

1:08:46

if.

1:08:46

We love Macklamore enough to

1:08:48

comfortably sit here and be like, yeah, it's fine

1:08:51

that he beat Kendrick Lamar and Casey

1:08:53

Musgraves and even

1:08:55

ed sheeron to be honest, even James Blake, I

1:08:58

mean definitely James Blake. You know, I

1:09:00

was at the Do Lab last year at Coachella

1:09:03

when James Blake did drop and said, the what lab.

1:09:05

It's called the do Lab. It's where you go

1:09:07

to see surprise drop ins. That's at Coachella.

1:09:10

And I was there and in

1:09:12

lab they should and you

1:09:15

know, Jamila was there vibing how

1:09:17

she dole.

1:09:20

We love you girl. Let's talk about

1:09:24

art pop. Where were you? I

1:09:27

was in the airport in Beijing.

1:09:30

You were, Yeah, that's very art populo.

1:09:33

We were visiting China and

1:09:36

on the way back in November, it

1:09:39

had dropped. Our pop

1:09:42

came into our lives and

1:09:45

we're in time on another album later. But that

1:09:47

was you know me, I was

1:09:50

still caping for Gaga at her lowest

1:09:52

moment, when everyone else had left her

1:09:54

behind.

1:09:54

Her lowest moment was when she could barely get

1:09:57

the plane that she became off the ground. It

1:10:00

was Lani technically Atlantis.

1:10:03

Technically there was a higher moment than

1:10:05

usual because she was inches off the ground, but

1:10:07

it was a low point. She got into

1:10:10

a full space suit, did

1:10:13

a press conference in her spacesuit while her

1:10:15

helmet was in one arm, saying

1:10:18

I'm so excited to be the first flying

1:10:20

woman.

1:10:20

Yeah, she did not say that, but

1:10:22

she said, I this is history. This is

1:10:25

the first flying dress.

1:10:26

Yes you

1:10:29

missed that. Raw, Lady

1:10:31

Goga rules. And I believe this is also the era

1:10:33

where she got vomited on.

1:10:35

Well, that was twenty fourteen at south By, so

1:10:37

that was after the album came out, so that doesn't technically fall

1:10:39

under this. See that was twenty fourteen at south By.

1:10:41

I'm telling you I know this era like the

1:10:43

back of my hand.

1:10:44

This was a really I remember when everyone

1:10:46

was like, oh, I don't know, Lady Goga lost it. I'm like, what

1:10:49

are you talking about. I'm the rich bitch, I'm the upper

1:10:51

class. Come

1:10:54

on, give some respect, Like, don't

1:10:56

react quickly to this shit. Let things marinate.

1:10:58

This is what I'm saying, because in twelve

1:11:01

years you're gonna be gagged by donal

1:11:03

Tella. I think you know what's

1:11:05

cool, Try and think

1:11:09

about like, however, you can have metacognition,

1:11:12

think about like the way you're thinking about things and be

1:11:14

like, let me think ahead, girl,

1:11:18

let me let me extrapolate a little

1:11:20

bit. Strap ar

1:11:22

pop. Where were you talk about your experience with her? I was

1:11:24

on the subway. Okay, this was subway

1:11:26

gig, like this was I remember you were

1:11:29

subway gigging back then a lot, and

1:11:31

I.

1:11:31

Remember like this album took over.

1:11:34

I think this actually was one of the first albums

1:11:37

I had like fully downloaded on Spotify.

1:11:40

I remember at this time, like I finally got Spotify

1:11:43

and was like paying for like the version

1:11:45

where you could like download songs and stuff, and I'm

1:11:47

making my little play and I think it was one of the first albums

1:11:50

I downloaded on Spotify.

1:11:51

But g u I Sex

1:11:54

Dreams, I'll sell it again,

1:11:57

dope, dope, any

1:12:00

more than our

1:12:08

engineer freaking out having a heart attack,

1:12:11

like truly panicked. Do what you want, now,

1:12:14

what you want. It's so annoying

1:12:17

the legacy of that song because it is such

1:12:20

a hit. There is always the Christina

1:12:23

version. Yeah, there is always that version.

1:12:25

The version now, the version now

1:12:27

I will stay at the as Gaga

1:12:30

fucking tour and R Kelly was

1:12:32

there as the President. It's

1:12:34

a tough one. Gaga played President

1:12:37

Kelly's secretary, President

1:12:40

Kelly's secrecretary at the AMS

1:12:42

where like she's at her desk

1:12:46

President Kelly's office the White House. Yes,

1:12:49

yes, I'll let him know. Then she

1:12:51

gets a call hello, mister President, I

1:12:55

want you and my desk in two

1:12:57

minutes or whatever it was, and

1:13:01

then she does this whole thing. I'm

1:13:03

like, yes, sir, and

1:13:05

then she starts to like primp and primp and prim and

1:13:08

I remember this, and then she was

1:13:10

black and white, right, No, she was in a gold

1:13:12

dress, and then she goes into the Oval Office

1:13:14

and does a whole dance and

1:13:16

then the Oval office that melts away and she like

1:13:19

goes and climbs the top a piano and starts screaming. And

1:13:23

then it ended in a ballad, right, and then it

1:13:26

was a ballad version of do what you Want. And then it

1:13:28

was just news. It was headlines. It was very

1:13:30

reputation, pre reputation. It was newspaper

1:13:33

articles that said every headline

1:13:36

was Lady Gaga is fast.

1:13:39

Let these women be nuts. I'm telling you

1:13:42

because then you get this, you love it, lady

1:13:46

puts you will love it. No, I mean, lady

1:13:48

guy. She was going

1:13:50

through a very hard time. And I

1:13:53

don't mean to laugh, but it

1:13:55

is like it is that

1:13:58

song is so unfortunate, like it is honist

1:14:00

because of the r Kelly thing, Like the album

1:14:02

is really tough for Gaga. I think she really doesn't

1:14:05

remember it. I think we should believe her when she says

1:14:07

she doesn't remember our pop. I don't remember our people.

1:14:09

She will. I don't think she will perform. It will be decades

1:14:11

before she performs a song from that album live. Did

1:14:14

she not do applause? Do any art?

1:14:16

Pop ecrematicaball? Wow?

1:14:19

Yeah, I guess she didn't. She really doesn't

1:14:21

like that time in her life. I don't think whoa,

1:14:24

I don't. I don't mean to make light of that. I don't

1:14:26

mean to laugh at that, but I mean for me, as

1:14:28

a little monster, as a fan, I do go like

1:14:31

I stuck with her in that time and

1:14:34

I have not earned my stripes or anything, but like that

1:14:37

just means to me, like I love this woman till

1:14:39

the day I die. There's no question she

1:14:41

is our favorite celebrity. Lady Gaga is fat

1:14:44

like all across and like because I mean it was

1:14:46

a crazy time and like she'd put on a little weight and everyone

1:14:49

like melted down. That was still the end.

1:14:51

I don't know, well, this tabloid ra is still ongoing.

1:14:53

I mean blah blah blah. But like

1:14:56

it was the last time that like people

1:14:59

could really they get away with saying ship

1:15:01

like that.

1:15:03

Yeah, that was that was.

1:15:04

That was like a moment where it was probably

1:15:06

what was being said about her in papers more reputable

1:15:09

than we remember.

1:15:10

Yesh, it was like so

1:15:13

killing crazy making your daily mails

1:15:15

and should still say that kind of thing? Okay?

1:15:17

And then Venus we have to just say, Venus, ve

1:15:20

shout out. We

1:15:25

all remember where we were, have

1:15:33

respect. Venus

1:15:38

know that we've performed that live many times.

1:15:40

Yes, I think a companion

1:15:43

piece to our pop is Prison by Katy

1:15:45

Perry.

1:15:46

I love Prison by Katy Perry. And anyone

1:15:48

who thinks the second half of Prism doesn't go

1:15:51

all the way off is not listening. Use

1:15:53

your fucking ears and listen to the second

1:15:55

half of Prism. Now, adult contemporary

1:15:59

was heard on this album and the

1:16:01

bops were bopping.

1:16:03

Did you have a radio station in Long Island

1:16:05

that whereas Yes, called cozy

1:16:08

in Colorado was called cozy one on one. For us,

1:16:10

it was called like Star, but it was like Star ninety

1:16:13

nine point nine. It was like adult contemper Yes,

1:16:15

and okay, so maybe you had this woman, iconic

1:16:17

Delilah. Of course we had Delilah, Delilah,

1:16:22

Delahilah. Wait

1:16:24

a minute, I need to write this down. I

1:16:26

need to go home, smoke a fat joint

1:16:29

and listen to old Delilah clips. It's

1:16:31

just her be It's literally like, Hi,

1:16:34

how are you. I'm okay, Delilah.

1:16:37

My husband has been at war for six

1:16:39

years. That's so hard.

1:16:42

It must be very lonely. It

1:16:45

really is, Delilah, And I just

1:16:47

want to know that things will get

1:16:49

better. They will. I have a good

1:16:51

song for you. It's like I'm

1:16:54

a already there. Look

1:16:58

around.

1:16:59

It's like giving a loan, literally, like

1:17:02

maybe this is like a show we should do, yes, just

1:17:04

like comforting radio DJs who

1:17:07

are.

1:17:07

Fucked up and the post apocalypse,

1:17:10

Like the world is done, and yet these

1:17:13

two people are still like I'm

1:17:15

so sorry. Delilah was a

1:17:18

legend period. I hope

1:17:20

she's well, I hope she what's going on tonight?

1:17:23

Huh, she's on TikTok.

1:17:26

Oh my god, what answered

1:17:28

people's question. She's still on the radio. Hum

1:17:32

Old already there today

1:17:34

you can look around. I

1:17:37

said, you better eat, talk more about

1:17:39

prism.

1:17:42

One of the greatest songs of all times. Birthday,

1:17:45

Oh my god, yes, actual

1:17:51

birthday.

1:17:51

Yes this year. Yes, that's

1:17:54

so good. You

1:17:58

precious soul. You went you seasonalized?

1:18:01

You really do. I mean your birthday should

1:18:03

be a holiday, and like you

1:18:05

should have a song at the reading, and there should

1:18:07

be a playlist and Birthday by Katy Perry should be

1:18:10

on it absolutely booming you

1:18:12

with me.

1:18:13

Wait, I now know I don't think so honey, up has to

1:18:15

do with prism? Okay, oh give

1:18:17

you Itay, I'm so happy. You know what that

1:18:19

feeling when you find out you're I don't think so honey and you're like so

1:18:21

happy.

1:18:22

Make it like you bedday every

1:18:24

day.

1:18:26

Also, you know what time, I didn't like it first, but then I

1:18:28

ended up being like, oh, I guess I do like it because I kind

1:18:30

of have to dark Horse.

1:18:32

I still am not so hot

1:18:34

on dark dark Horse all these years later. What else

1:18:37

was good? This is how we do. Yeah, this

1:18:40

is hell we do. Never forget. I

1:18:43

don't it's

1:18:46

a weird album, so cuckoo, it's

1:18:48

a cuckoo album and the

1:18:51

tough live performances of that. But I do love

1:18:55

unconditionally. I have a lot

1:18:57

and this has to do with don't

1:18:59

get to a from there because I have a lot to say about

1:19:01

it. And then the big one

1:19:04

Beyonce by Beyonce started

1:19:06

it all, started it all. I actually

1:19:10

don't think I have

1:19:13

no this is this is not true, but like it's

1:19:16

up there for me with albums

1:19:18

of Laura in my life where I'm like that change

1:19:22

shit like that was a

1:19:24

like a marked change in like the

1:19:27

way I felt number one her music,

1:19:30

like everything. I was just like so blown

1:19:33

away by what the fucks she did?

1:19:35

Every song I fucking love, like

1:19:38

I guess for me, if

1:19:40

I had to say a standout, it's still Jealous,

1:19:42

Jealous.

1:19:44

I listened to Jealous every

1:19:47

day all day, like it

1:19:49

was really I'm

1:19:54

sorry. I hear my sister say I listened to Jealous

1:19:57

every day all day.

1:19:58

I go, I don't if that's

1:20:00

true. It's not

1:20:02

true, but

1:20:05

at the time I listened to it a lot. I see

1:20:07

I see remember iTunes for you have like your top

1:20:09

twenty five play.

1:20:10

Song and you'd see the count. Ooh, that's tough.

1:20:13

No.

1:20:13

The thousands of times

1:20:16

I listened to Jealous, it was like far

1:20:18

and away my number one an album I listened

1:20:20

to constantly, Like but that one song, I don't

1:20:22

think I ever just got through it once.

1:20:23

I would always have to replay it. What is it about

1:20:25

that song? I think that's

1:20:28

the kind of music I hope

1:20:30

to make. Want is like I think you have made

1:20:32

bite full like emotional

1:20:36

pop. The production on that is so good,

1:20:39

just like that's every Christmas Eve. Coded

1:20:41

Oh my god, that's so kind

1:20:44

of you, it's every Christmas Eve. I

1:20:47

feel as though you're not wrong. No, I'm

1:20:49

not. I know I'm not. I wouldn't say it.

1:20:51

I would also say, just like Beyonce, occupying that

1:20:53

lyrical space of like, how fucking dare

1:20:55

you?

1:20:56

Like? How much I like cook this for

1:20:58

naked, this meal for you, naked? Where

1:21:01

the hell you at? Uh huh? I

1:21:03

wish that you were me so you could

1:21:05

feel this feeling. I never

1:21:07

broke one promise, and I know when

1:21:09

you're not honest. Now you got

1:21:11

me yelling that's because

1:21:14

I'm jealous.

1:21:15

When she said I'm coming for you, but also

1:21:17

I'm backing off like that is tough

1:21:20

to pull off on a song, just like, yeah, you think

1:21:22

it's gonna be one thing, because it is one thing,

1:21:24

and then the reveal of the underlying emotion

1:21:28

you.

1:21:28

Know what song also does this? What be

1:21:30

careful Cardi B. It's

1:21:33

like, don't do this because

1:21:35

why I do this is vulnerable. Don't

1:21:37

do this vulnerable. I'm

1:21:40

getting a shirt we're making merch that says, don't

1:21:42

do this. I'm vulnerable this

1:21:46

album. I remember exactly where I was. Obviously,

1:21:49

there was a midnight drop. You and I were on

1:21:52

Facebook Messenger.

1:21:53

I literally remember for some reason going the

1:21:55

iTunes being like I wonder and seeing the word beyond

1:21:57

saying I was like huh. And I texted you and I said, You're

1:21:59

not gonna believe this. I remember the message

1:22:01

you said. I was like, oh my god, I can't fucking

1:22:04

believe this. And then you said the words no,

1:22:06

I feel sick.

1:22:07

I feel sick. I

1:22:10

was sick.

1:22:11

Yeah, I was unwell, and I remember I

1:22:13

didn't sleep that night. I had to go into work

1:22:15

the next day and none of the other waitresses

1:22:17

had slept either.

1:22:18

It was like, what is going

1:22:21

on? That was a musical

1:22:23

monoculture moment. I mean, I

1:22:26

just remember watching the video

1:22:28

for Yance, the video for Partition, the

1:22:31

video for Blow for

1:22:34

Rocket, for all of the I was just like everyone.

1:22:36

I was just like I am a new

1:22:39

being, Like I am immediately re arranged

1:22:42

because of this album, Like I

1:22:46

know what to aspire to

1:22:48

now, like sexually,

1:22:51

I know what to aspire to now, like

1:22:54

confidence way, like yeah, that is

1:22:56

like role model aspirational down

1:22:59

flow us. Oh my god,

1:23:01

forget it, like never.

1:23:03

By the way, this was also the year of

1:23:05

the red flannel

1:23:08

tucked into jean's shorts.

1:23:11

And if you weren't doing it button

1:23:14

to the top tucked into gene

1:23:16

shorts, you weren't a pop girlly of the time

1:23:18

or a gay guy trying to give

1:23:20

that.

1:23:21

But it's okay because we teach girls to shrink

1:23:23

themselves, to make themselves smaller.

1:23:27

Period. There's more,

1:23:29

but ask Chimamanda about that now.

1:23:32

The following songs were number one hits on the Billboard. Howe

1:23:34

anything else to say about Beyonce.

1:23:36

I mean, so much more to say, but like it

1:23:38

is what it is. I mean, like it's the defining album.

1:23:40

The fact that that's an album of the year, loss is comical.

1:23:43

It's ridiculous. It should have been

1:23:46

her first album, win Album of the Year

1:23:48

Win.

1:23:49

Blurred Lines was twelve weeks at number one

1:23:51

Royals nine weeks, very

1:23:53

impressive, and I did not put the rest of the weeks.

1:23:56

I think that's truly okay out

1:23:58

of heaven Up.

1:24:02

We didn't talk about untorthodox cheekbox Sobers

1:24:05

on tour for that album. He was

1:24:07

phenomenal. Yeah, thrift Shop, Harlem

1:24:10

Shake, just give me a reason. Pink

1:24:13

representation very much so can't hold

1:24:16

us more? Malcolmore roar,

1:24:19

bless you, bless you, bless

1:24:22

you, bless you. Leave

1:24:26

that in. I want them to know how much I sneeze.

1:24:28

I want them to know what I go through. I'm crying.

1:24:31

Leave that in. Do not take it out.

1:24:34

No one's pushing back. I know the truth. Uh.

1:24:36

And Wrecking Ball, Wrecking Ball, fucking Rocks

1:24:39

TV.

1:24:39

I think at this time I'm just gonna say was boring because

1:24:41

the same ship was still dominating. So

1:24:44

blah blah blah, Breaking Bad, Modern

1:24:46

Family. These were all

1:24:48

incredible shows, but we've just talked about them

1:24:50

in other episodes.

1:24:53

Notable deaths, Oh God, Paul

1:24:55

Walker, there's that lou

1:24:57

Reed, Roger Ebert.

1:24:59

That was that was tough too. No, Nelson,

1:25:02

Mandela, James

1:25:04

Gndel Feeni, Oh God,

1:25:08

we miss you, we

1:25:12

miss you, We kiss you. Politically, here's

1:25:14

what happened. But Rock

1:25:16

Obama sworn in for

1:25:19

his second term. They say that art

1:25:22

pop was an Obama era

1:25:24

creation. Do you agree?

1:25:27

Yes, I think that artists felt the most free

1:25:31

Obama God,

1:25:33

the Tea Party shut down the government.

1:25:35

Huh yeah, they really

1:25:37

did that. Obamacare flopped. Snowden's

1:25:40

NSA leaks not

1:25:42

great, huh No. Sort of living

1:25:45

in a time.

1:25:47

That was where you know

1:25:49

that it's started to unravel, you

1:25:55

know, yeah, that's

1:25:57

unravel.

1:25:58

The last and most important thing

1:26:00

that happened in the year twenty thirteen was

1:26:03

Bowen and I sat down at Wapiano and

1:26:06

I had Bowen joining our sketch group Poproulette,

1:26:09

thus changing the course of history.

1:26:12

Really because you were going to move back today. I was going

1:26:14

to move back to dinner with my parents. I Oh,

1:26:19

my sister period saved

1:26:21

me. And this is I said, come to Vapiano,

1:26:24

we have to have a conversation. And we hadn't really

1:26:26

like hung out in a while. No,

1:26:28

this was pre Best era, pre bestI

1:26:30

era. It was still like, oh Matt. Yeah,

1:26:33

it was just like good friend, Oh Matt,

1:26:35

I would love to.

1:26:35

I hope I see Matt soon. Yeah, And I was like, girl,

1:26:38

it's time to get lunch. And then we sat

1:26:40

down and got lunch and.

1:26:41

Little did you know that there was

1:26:43

a destiny was there was a poprolette

1:26:45

proposal. I said, the group has talked and they've

1:26:48

decided they want you a girl. They want

1:26:50

you to be a part of the group. And do you know why we asked

1:26:52

Food to be a part of the group because I left

1:26:55

reality show or something. No, this was why

1:26:58

do you remember when you got on that music app

1:27:01

and sang set

1:27:03

fire to your manner to the

1:27:05

to the tune of does

1:27:08

that still exist? Explain what that

1:27:11

was? This was an app

1:27:13

that pre TikTok

1:27:17

like TikTok was a merger between two apps, right,

1:27:19

both were like Chinese apps, or one of them was Chinese and

1:27:22

like but the other one this is not that

1:27:24

app, but it was. There was like a a

1:27:26

genre of app where you could sing karaoke

1:27:29

songs and record yourself singing. Huh. It

1:27:32

was not musically but it was like whatever it was, it was

1:27:34

called something else before musically I think it

1:27:36

wasn't that. It

1:27:39

wasn't it's it's the right thread.

1:27:42

You're spiritually right, No, no, no, but spiritual

1:27:45

like the Katie Perry Prism song.

1:27:47

Okay, well musically was what TikTok was?

1:27:49

Right? Yeah, But you could like film yourself, like

1:27:51

you could record yourself and film yourself singing

1:27:54

karaoke songs. And I did

1:27:56

a series where I would pitch up my voice and

1:27:59

I played this character or as myself. I

1:28:01

was like hey, I was like, hey, it's Boen and

1:28:04

like I'm here to sing my cover of like

1:28:07

of this is this, and like sometimes I would

1:28:10

for some reason set fire to your manner was me

1:28:13

being like so stupid

1:28:16

A rich guy broke up with me, and I went

1:28:18

to go burn his house down. But it was a whole

1:28:20

manner. It was a manner. Where did

1:28:22

I get manner from? Oh no, it's

1:28:25

because you're very creative.

1:28:27

And it was that creativity and performance

1:28:29

capability that earned

1:28:32

the yas of pop Roulette.

1:28:34

And I said, let me sit down with him because I know him the best,

1:28:36

and we'll get him to join the sketch group. Because I heard this nasty

1:28:38

rumor that you were going to leave town. And

1:28:41

flee and go back to something like Denver,

1:28:43

Colorado, like you were Renee Rap or.

1:28:45

Something like it was Renee

1:28:47

Rap. She has this a whole song about it. How

1:28:58

was your twenty thirteen? Personally? My

1:29:00

god?

1:29:01

Like so working in a restaurant

1:29:04

pilled like I would work. I was

1:29:06

working at Ulysses in the financial

1:29:08

district, just like waiting

1:29:10

on everyone who ran our banks and

1:29:13

was so drunk during the day. Like they would come and they

1:29:15

would get wasted, and then they would return to

1:29:17

running our banks. I will

1:29:19

never forget how I saw some of those men

1:29:22

speak to the girls that I worked with. I

1:29:24

made fine money there, I mean

1:29:27

like it was. I remember thinking at the time, like

1:29:29

I have to keep this job because I won't make money elsewhere.

1:29:32

Like can I say to all servers out

1:29:34

there, if you are

1:29:36

at a restaurant that you don't like working at, there's

1:29:39

a million other ones.

1:29:40

I don't do. Not live day to day in a

1:29:42

situation.

1:29:45

You shouldn't be in a situation for

1:29:47

even ten minutes where

1:29:49

you're not happy. The word, in the words

1:29:51

of Kim katral I was.

1:29:52

Making a bit. I don't know about there being a million restaurants.

1:29:55

There are a million.

1:29:55

I just I remember I stayed like it's a nice

1:29:58

place like whatever, but like I remember management

1:30:01

change. Again, this was like over ten years ago

1:30:03

now, so like it's like everyone's different, but like that

1:30:06

thing happened where I was like, you had like a good fun

1:30:08

job and then management change and like things

1:30:10

changed, and you know, we started like to do

1:30:13

other things. And I was just like it was really

1:30:15

wearing on me how disgusting the

1:30:18

guys were that would come in.

1:30:19

Yeah, and of course

1:30:22

I left because it was just getting

1:30:25

so like corporatety all

1:30:28

around me, and I was just like this is gross and

1:30:30

I wasn't making good enough money and just

1:30:32

like the financial district is not where the cream of the

1:30:34

crop is. Well, fight I

1:30:36

return, you think fight, I I

1:30:39

don't just like fight, you know what I mean.

1:30:41

Like I used to go there and I liked it, Like I

1:30:44

loved, you know, the cobblestone

1:30:46

streets, and I liked a lot of the restaurants down

1:30:48

there, Like by the way, there's I don't know if it's

1:30:50

still there, but there was a pizza place called Adrian's next

1:30:52

door that was like so slay,

1:30:54

and like I did have a lot of good memories working now, like you

1:30:56

would come visit me.

1:30:57

I worked with a lot of really cool girls there.

1:31:00

I recently went back and some people were still working

1:31:02

there, which was like so great to see them.

1:31:04

And you know, but I remember I would

1:31:07

work Monday nights from

1:31:09

seven pm to four am. Oh yes,

1:31:13

and there would be no one

1:31:16

there, but we pulled the tips, so I'd

1:31:18

make all this like hourly money

1:31:21

from working from seven to four am on.

1:31:23

A Monday night. Yeah, yeah, till

1:31:25

literally four I can't believe.

1:31:28

Yeah, there were Oh but this was Brooklyn

1:31:30

Crab days. Never mind, I'm getting it. I'm getting ahead of myself.

1:31:32

The Brooklyn Crab days comes soon after. But the

1:31:34

Brooklyn Crab days, and we've talked about on this pod before,

1:31:36

but there were a couple of nights where you would be

1:31:39

over served at Brooklyn Crab at your job because you'd

1:31:41

stick around after work and you would call me drunk

1:31:43

and be like, boh and get me an uber now

1:31:45

because I didn't have uber uber on my phone. I

1:31:48

don't know why. I think it was just I don't

1:31:50

know, And I would do it for you, and

1:31:52

that's how much I love you. That was back in the day.

1:31:54

Would go on, well, you wouldn't, but Sudi

1:31:57

would make my PDFs, and you would call my ubers

1:32:01

study would make your PDFs because you were convinced

1:32:04

that you cannot make them on your computer, on your Mac

1:32:06

computer because there was a virus.

1:32:09

Because there was a virus. I was

1:32:11

convinced. I was convinced that. I don't

1:32:13

know. I still think this day, I think something was going

1:32:16

on there. I just mean, I

1:32:18

hope one day that we all go to Fight I again for

1:32:21

a fun party like China Chalet was kind

1:32:23

of a nice moment, did you No,

1:32:25

I don't think I ever.

1:32:26

Want we could go down to Fight Eye and have a party

1:32:28

whenever we want. It's just like the

1:32:31

type of character you might run into down there

1:32:33

is like it's always usually tough. I'm

1:32:36

gonna call it very mask

1:32:38

Bridge and Tunnel, I'm telling you. Like these

1:32:41

guys from like the banks would come in when they're

1:32:43

like khaki pants with their big old butts,

1:32:45

and they would like be so nasty.

1:32:48

And just like talk. I just I saw so

1:32:51

many of my colleagues be called

1:32:53

like the C word. Oh God, like

1:32:55

our friend I won't say who who

1:32:58

I got a job there had

1:33:00

this horrible experience where she told

1:33:02

the customer that we didn't sell cigarettes

1:33:04

because he was wasted. Came up, like you always sell

1:33:06

cigarettes, and she's like, we don't have cigarettes.

1:33:08

They have it at the gazebo around the corner, and

1:33:11

he called her the sea word in

1:33:13

such a vicious, violent way

1:33:16

that I was just like. It wasn't long after

1:33:18

that that I left. I was like, I don't even want to be fucking

1:33:20

around this. Yeah, I like it's so gross.

1:33:23

And those guys feel so entitled

1:33:26

because they make the money that they make,

1:33:28

and like, you know, like it's just

1:33:30

I don't know. I hate these guys living in the fucking

1:33:33

high life down there and treating people like that.

1:33:36

I help all of them suffer.

1:33:38

Suffer well.

1:33:42

Time froun't think so honey, time think so

1:33:44

honey. This is I don't think, sony. This is where

1:33:46

we take one minute to go off on something in culture.

1:33:50

Let's see, Oh I do have something.

1:33:53

I have something, and let's go with you, all right,

1:33:55

let's go with me. And we both previewed her.

1:33:57

I don't think so Honey's yeah, this is Matt Rogers.

1:33:59

I don't think so many time starts now, I.

1:34:01

Don't think so honey. Anyone taking an issue

1:34:03

with the pronunciation in the song Unconditionally

1:34:05

by Katie Perry to stop with your unconditionally.

1:34:08

First of all, it is a gorgeous song. It

1:34:10

is a gorgeous ballad for

1:34:12

me, and I feel like a lot of

1:34:14

people can't get over the pronunciation.

1:34:17

Get over it.

1:34:17

She had to say it like that so it would work in

1:34:20

meter. Okay, what would you

1:34:22

rather not have the song? It's one of the greatest songs

1:34:25

in the twenty first century. No, no, who

1:34:27

could forget her? Performances of the song

1:34:29

live all problematic, all

1:34:32

problematic in nature. I swear

1:34:34

to God I heard her say, with an Asian

1:34:37

accent, the word unconditionally.

1:34:38

No, I'm kidding.

1:34:40

She never did that.

1:34:41

She only ever did everything about board Katy Perry

1:34:45

fifteen seconds. She's one of the great artists

1:34:47

of our time. Unconditionally is a ballad that

1:34:49

I will have playing at my wedding on repeat.

1:34:52

Don't worry every when I'm not getting married. No,

1:34:54

I'll probably get married. I don't think i'll have kids though,

1:34:57

But when I do get married, just know I will love

1:34:59

them unconditionally.

1:35:01

And that's one minute. She

1:35:05

should have done it like this. Go ahead

1:35:07

and show us uncondition. No,

1:35:11

you look at there

1:35:15

is nothing wrong with unconditionally

1:35:20

uncondition. No. I

1:35:23

know it sounds bad. It is

1:35:25

bad, but that's how it's how

1:35:27

the word's condition. There's

1:35:31

nothing wrong with that. There's nothing wrong

1:35:33

with that. And guess what if

1:35:36

there is something a little bit fucked up about it, that's

1:35:38

what makes it memorable and pop. That's

1:35:41

what makes Katy Perry pop in

1:35:43

the top ten of the Iconic four

1:35:45

hundred. I we did not agree

1:35:47

on that, but I guess it's I guess it's

1:35:49

etched in stone. Top

1:35:52

she might be top.

1:35:53

Tenazy

1:35:57

the Iconic four hundred is coming number

1:36:00

four hundred, No, we

1:36:02

can't say. I don't think we've

1:36:04

said who four hundred is yet. Yeah, I don't think we've said

1:36:06

it. No, the name that we're

1:36:09

gonna say is social number four hundred is so

1:36:11

shocking and it will set the tone for an

1:36:13

amazing list. Yes, okay, all right, this

1:36:17

upcoming is and I think I see him formulating

1:36:19

an idea right now, sort

1:36:22

of. Okay, this is Bowen Yang's I

1:36:24

don't think Zhanni, are you ready? Yes,

1:36:27

his time starts now. I don't think so.

1:36:28

Money posting lyrics on a

1:36:30

story, posting lyrics to be like it's

1:36:35

it is lacking an extremely

1:36:37

important component, which is

1:36:40

the music, which is the production.

1:36:43

If it's hip hop, you need you

1:36:45

need the track underneath it for it to

1:36:47

make sense. I don't think

1:36:49

we should encourage this. I don't want to participate

1:36:52

in it personally. If you're doing it, no problem,

1:36:54

But it's always tough a second either

1:36:56

way you slice it. If you're doing it to be like, look at how

1:36:58

genius this is, it's always tough to be like, oh yeah, I

1:37:00

guess. So if you're doing it to be able to look how stupid

1:37:02

it is, it's like, well you're that's that's not fair. So

1:37:05

I think until we

1:37:07

find a way to like package a

1:37:09

song snippet that we like in a way

1:37:11

that is digestible to a social media feed,

1:37:14

then great. I also don't care about what seems

1:37:16

digestible to social media feed. Let's

1:37:18

all lean off. I'm gonna be the first

1:37:20

person to say social media is bad. That's

1:37:23

one minute. That's one minute.

1:37:25

First of all, do you know how stupid like any

1:37:27

Beatles song would look if you just posted

1:37:30

the lyrics like and put them out there and like you

1:37:32

laugh them out? She

1:37:34

loves you yeah, yeah, yeah, you

1:37:36

wouldn't. You'd be like, lol, these are the greatest

1:37:39

pop songwriters of all time. Actually, yes that was

1:37:41

true. Yes, I just think it's

1:37:43

so stupid too to be like, oh,

1:37:46

let me like screen grab these lyrics

1:37:49

just so I can say, like what, how bad this

1:37:51

artist is on the whole, or like how overrated

1:37:54

she is. It's just like there's

1:37:56

someone cool, like shut the fuck up.

1:38:00

I don't know, like I don't have like an intelligent thought

1:38:02

about this. And it's like, okay, yeah, gotcha.

1:38:05

Those words put together like look stupid,

1:38:07

isolated and like you said, without context,

1:38:10

like cool, it's a song.

1:38:12

It's a song. I've

1:38:15

just seen.

1:38:15

I've seen like a lot of like people

1:38:17

who just are hell bent

1:38:19

on every single time

1:38:22

Taylor Swift does anything like finding a

1:38:24

way to sort of prove that

1:38:27

all this success and impact she has

1:38:29

is like a fluke or like that

1:38:31

it's unearned or something. And it's like they

1:38:35

just bend over backwards to try to make that

1:38:38

point, and it's always so sweaty.

1:38:41

It's like, okay, so did

1:38:44

you, like you you didn't just casually

1:38:46

find this, You went out of your way in

1:38:50

this quote unquote dense densely

1:38:53

lyrical thing to find these

1:38:55

embarrassing quote unquote cringe lyrics

1:38:57

and post them and like to prove what point that

1:38:59

you are better than everyone?

1:39:01

Okay, they might

1:39:04

be, they might be, they

1:39:06

might be. Well, this has

1:39:08

been an amazing episode of Lost Culture.

1:39:11

Tortured, Tortured Podcast Department.

1:39:14

But don't we say title of app?

1:39:15

Title of that was? There was one?

1:39:19

Well, I guess now we have to make a tactical decision. Do

1:39:21

we call it the Tortured Podcast Department and get

1:39:23

million streams? Or

1:39:27

do we call it something else? No, we had we had

1:39:29

something else, but well,

1:39:31

the numbers are down. We'll listen back to it. Oh no,

1:39:33

stop, we're not doing.

1:39:34

Numbers are down for Last Culture. We're not doing this.

1:39:37

We just want a webbing. Yeah, let's hopefully

1:39:39

the webby ticks us up. But yeah, we saw

1:39:42

something. If you didn't tune in last week, we

1:39:44

saw that. We felt that. Oh stop, I'm not

1:39:46

looking at the numbers you are.

1:39:49

I'm a metrics queen, I know, and I am glad.

1:39:52

All I know is our most polarizing

1:39:54

episode ever. It was a huge

1:39:56

hit, So maybe we should

1:39:59

start fucking burning it down. Okay, come

1:40:01

in here, no fucks to give, no life

1:40:03

to live, no fucks

1:40:06

to give, no life to live. What was our most

1:40:08

successful episode? Oh oh oh, Our.

1:40:10

Most successful episode of all time is Great

1:40:13

Americans with Tina. But what one

1:40:15

episode that like crushed was

1:40:18

One and a Half Fuck, which Sunshine

1:40:21

review and Recap, which had the

1:40:24

girls sure twisting, turning,

1:40:27

tossing, yeah, yeah, yeah, and

1:40:29

totally.

1:40:29

I mean. All I'll say is I continue

1:40:31

to stand by what I've said. One of my favorite

1:40:34

albums of the year.

1:40:35

I love every word, love the artists, love

1:40:37

and love and love all the girls out

1:40:39

there who have something

1:40:42

to say.

1:40:42

You are and so you I'd have to say, is

1:40:44

all you Sarah's and Hannah's you

1:40:47

like? But Daddy I love him.

1:40:49

If you want to know how I feel about y'all and the way you feel

1:40:52

about One and a half Fuck episode, just listen and

1:40:54

go go stream.

1:40:55

But Daddy, I love him. We

1:40:58

end every episode with a song I

1:41:00

having say, No,

1:41:02

I'm not, but you should see your

1:41:04

faces. Everyone

1:41:07

stopped. Go stream. Torture Poet Spot