0:00

Look Mayer, Oh, I see you

0:03

my own and look over there

0:05

is that culture. Yes, goodness, wow,

0:08

lost culture. Lost

0:12

culture is just long. My girl

0:14

sneakily did this thing right before

0:16

the countdown where she made me laugh. I

0:20

have a habit. I have a habit

0:22

of making the world very happy.

0:24

Can I congratulate you on a milestone? I

0:27

guess I don't know what it could possibly be. Well,

0:29

you wrapped Wicked? The film?

0:31

Oh, I rapped Wicked. The film's

0:33

up?

0:34

The film? Oh my god, which

0:36

one is better? I

0:38

think I think.

0:40

We're gonna do a third installment

0:42

that's very rosen Crant and Guild and Stern are

0:45

dead. Oh it's it's

0:47

Fanny and Chenshin or kind of you

0:49

know, navigating Oz. I

0:52

kind of like navigating Oz. When Dorothy

0:54

lands, I think that could be really slagh And they're trying

0:57

to like get to Dorothy because like she's the new Queen

0:59

Bee.

1:00

Oh my god, yeah, the new girl on the block.

1:02

The new girl on the block. I mean, Glinda is still always

1:05

Queen Bee, especially in the Dorothy was

1:07

sort of our story. But when Dorothy shows up, they're

1:09

like, we have to find her. She killed

1:11

the Wicked, but to the East, we must

1:13

slay.

1:14

So your character's name is Fanny. I always want

1:16

to pronounce it fan because of the way it's spelt.

1:18

But your character's name is Fanny, and Glenna's other

1:20

bff is named Shenshen Shenshen.

1:23

So you find out that you guys are the ones

1:25

that wrote Who's That Girl?

1:28

La La La La La.

1:33

La, La La La,

1:36

one of the actual best melodies

1:38

of all times. Actually we're really close to number twenty six.

1:41

Who's That.

1:45

La is one of the best

1:47

melodies of all time.

1:49

Think about it. It has everything, it

1:51

has dustans, it has la la la.

1:54

And it kind of just like stretches on longer

1:56

than you think it will, and then you're

1:59

very happy that it's. It clocks in how

2:01

it.

2:01

Does, like I dare you the next

2:03

time you hear it, and it's obviously always playing

2:07

to not absolutely get up and spin around

2:09

in your joyous freak bag.

2:12

Oh my god, it is always playing, isn't

2:14

it.

2:14

I'm just so proud of you. I'm so proud

2:17

of you and your role of Fani.

2:18

Well, thank you, dear.

2:20

I think that you're going to change hearts and minds with this one.

2:22

Well, the thing is, what

2:25

was what.

2:25

We're l Frank Baum and baum

2:29

Baum. What we're El Frank Brom not

2:31

Frank Oz and of

2:35

Muppet fame, what we're El Frank Bomb and Gregory

2:37

maguarre a. Thinking with some of these names, I mean

2:39

Winky Country. Winky, I guess, means

2:42

like cock like Wiener in

2:44

the UK, Pepville, Peepeville.

2:47

And then Fanny means pussy.

2:49

Oh, I

2:52

think I know exactly what you are. You're

2:54

a fanny boy.

2:55

My name is literally pussy. And

2:57

then Biero Piero comes from Wiener

3:00

Country like Cockbill.

3:03

Well, that one's for the real fans out

3:05

there that have the real fan service. How

3:07

are you? How excited are you about potentially

3:10

really young kids seeing this and

3:12

writing sexy fan fiction about Fierro and

3:14

Fanny.

3:15

I think unless they

3:18

cut it, there's

3:20

a moment, Oh my god.

3:21

I don't know. I don't know if you can spoil a girl

3:24

that we are months out from this. Well,

3:26

I feel okay saying that's

3:29

famous line. I feel oka saying this, that's my

3:31

catchphrase on this show.

3:33

There is a fun, little comedy moment

3:36

between Fierro and Fanny that

3:38

I hope and pray they keep.

3:40

Would you call it the like if there's like an A story

3:43

and B story story, is this like the this

3:46

and.

3:46

This is sad this story

3:50

it goes to the Canadian alphabet. That's how bottom

3:53

wrong. This is bottom wrong

3:56

Canada. Sorry, Fanny story

3:58

bottom.

3:59

I'm just so excited to see the film. I'm

4:02

so excited that you've how long

4:04

was the filming.

4:05

Okay, total, it was like one hundred and fifty

4:07

days, two movies, and

4:11

it's been a full calendar year of wow

4:14

with the strike built in anyway, thank you, dear.

4:16

Yeah, well, we're not really here to talk about films

4:18

that much now today or even upcoming

4:21

films, because we did that last

4:23

week. Today is Tuesday, January

4:26

sixteenth. We are sitting in the afterglow

4:28

of the Emmy Awards, the Primetime

4:31

Emmy Awards, and not

4:33

just that, but also the fleet

4:36

of award shows that have been sort of hitting

4:38

us back to

4:40

back to back, and you're gonna always get

4:42

it again and again and again,

4:46

critics Choice, Golden Globes,

4:49

Emmys, boom, boom

4:51

boom, and I think

4:53

I have the reaction that we I

4:55

mean, the one I wanted to have was

4:58

that Io would sweep and now ioha swept

5:00

and we're proud of you. We

5:02

are proud of you girl. Not only are

5:04

you winning for great performance, but you're also turning

5:07

the looks. You're being charming in every

5:09

speech, every moment, very winning. We

5:12

feel the industry has said it's you, girl,

5:15

and we couldn't be prouder.

5:16

Go back and listen to and we're not

5:18

making this about us, obviously, but listen

5:21

to the Omerosa Fan Club Club.

5:25

An omrosa fan club member now

5:27

has Critics Choice Emmy

5:31

and Golden Globe and not for nothing, SAG's

5:33

coming out SAG nominee as well, and that'll

5:36

also have probably happen for her. This is

5:38

the thing is, it's like it's one

5:40

of those moments.

5:41

And we've said before obviously we're happy because

5:43

it's our friend, but it is one of those results

5:45

again this year where it feels

5:47

like they have chosen three shows, you

5:50

know what I mean, Like it's like Beef,

5:53

Succession, and the Bear and

5:55

they're all incredible, but it has

5:58

been a lot of the same names again and again, which is

6:00

just all the award shows being packed into one.

6:03

But yeah, I mean, it's

6:05

it's just so weird to see Succession like

6:08

still awarded in twenty twenty

6:11

four, and but it feels like, well, yeah,

6:13

if that's when it was eligible, it should take everything.

6:15

It just felt so long ago, a.

6:17

Little victory laugh for succession.

6:19

But I think that.

6:22

No surprises last.

6:24

Night for no, especially not at

6:26

being the third award show in a row. I

6:29

guess what I was surprised about was like, well,

6:31

not surprised about, but like if you look at the collection

6:34

of winners, you know what I will

6:36

say, Like much has been said about

6:38

like you know how difficult it is to get things

6:41

made lately, et cetera. But like the stuff

6:43

we were awarding yesterday, the people were awarding yesterday,

6:45

like you can look at it and really be like,

6:47

you know, the industry really has There's

6:50

been evolution in the past years,

6:53

and it's really amazing to see. I mean, there was an

6:56

extremely diverse group of winners,

6:58

an extremely deserving group of and

7:01

a lot of you know, passion

7:03

behind let's call it passion behind

7:05

certain shows because people are really excited

7:07

about them, which is a good thing. Yeah.

7:11

I think the only non succession

7:13

beef the bear winners on the acting

7:16

side, where Quinta and Coolidge.

7:18

Coolidge, I think those were the only

7:20

two which go off and

7:23

everyone else completely deserving. And

7:26

I will say the biggest surprise for me

7:28

of the night what Katherine

7:30

Heigel being in this crazy Anatomy tribute.

7:32

We got to talk about it, so I

7:34

will say I did love all

7:37

of those little retrospectives.

7:39

I think my favorite McBeal I

7:42

just love watching I just like Callista

7:45

in a bathroom and it was all voiceover and she's just

7:47

like looking at herself in the rin and she's like, I look good

7:50

and then like her Alan McField castmates

7:53

from way back come out and like dance her over

7:55

to the stage and she like shimmy's over to the mic. It

7:57

was kind of wordless, but then she came

7:59

out and I believe she presented either Best Actor

8:01

or Best Actress. It was Best Actor in a Drama

8:04

because Kieran one. Congrats

8:06

to you. Kieran well deserved. But

8:08

that was my favorite. And then I have

8:11

to say the Gray's Anatomy one did shake

8:13

me. When they said at the end an Emmy winner

8:15

Catherine Heigel, I was like, here we go.

8:19

My theory is she and Shonda

8:22

have patched things up.

8:23

I don't know about she and Shonda, do you know who's in

8:25

camp Team Heigel Ellen Camp Team Heigel

8:28

Hegel. Ellen. Ellen has gone

8:30

on records saying Catherine Heigel was ahead of her time

8:32

and a lot of the stuff that she said then would

8:35

have been well received now.

8:36

Well, that Actors on Actors was really

8:39

interesting to me. Oh yes, and

8:42

I think that's when that's when Ellen said it. She was

8:44

like and then they they

8:47

go into their whole like thing

8:49

about I don't think it's it's more Ellen

8:51

Pompeo doing this, but like and this

8:54

is this is beautiful Ellen Pompeo

8:56

Bostonian vibes, which is just

8:59

like, I mean,

9:01

now everyone has an opinion and it's like, hey,

9:04

she just like you were head of your time

9:06

for having an opinion back then, and

9:09

she's not wrong. But I really it

9:12

really hit me where I was like, oh, we have come.

9:14

We're twenty seasons into the show.

9:17

Yep. That was another thing is

9:19

it was like when they said when that show debuted, I

9:21

was like, oh my god, it was twenty

9:25

twenty years ago, like insane.

9:30

Yeah, yeah, you know what I was thinking

9:32

the other day, like do you remember when American Idol

9:34

started in like two thousand and two and

9:37

Paula Abdul was on the judging panel, and

9:39

everyone was like, oh yeah, wow, Like now

9:41

the kids get to know Paula Abdul, who was a pop

9:43

star when I was young, like an old pop star

9:46

she had been famously ten years before, right

9:49

like now in the Year of Our Lord twenty

9:51

twenty four, Like Katie Perry is like

9:53

Paula Abdul for these kids, you know what I

9:55

mean, Wow, did you have about

9:57

that? That's what I'm saying is it's like, oh

10:00

yeah, that old pop star Katie Perry. It's like meanwhile,

10:02

like we were in college for the California

10:05

girls.

10:06

But you know what, Katie and

10:09

I don't quite have the working knowledge of Paula

10:11

Abdul's discography to like define

10:13

this analog, but Katie has will

10:16

always be able to hang around on Teenage Dream.

10:19

Do you know what I'm saying. I mean, it's

10:22

one of the great records. It is

10:24

a time capsule for us. It will always remind

10:26

us of being like young,

10:29

fun and free. Those are not the words

10:31

what they like, they could be. Oh yeah,

10:35

Katie is Katie

10:37

is a legacy.

10:39

What also came out twenty

10:41

years ago was

10:44

mean to Girls. Oh wow,

10:47

the film, Yes, I saw

10:50

it a couple of days ago. I want

10:53

to say that Renee

10:56

rap m hmm is here

10:58

to stay.

11:00

And here's what I loved about Renee's performance, Like not

11:03

even for a second trying

11:06

to copy Rachel, which is so the

11:09

move for two reasons. A speaking

11:11

about getting further away in time from certain

11:13

things, like the further you

11:16

get away from that performance, the more you realize

11:19

it is one of the great performances. I think she

11:21

should go down like in history

11:24

for that. The other thing is like that

11:26

type of bully wouldn't work for a movie about

11:28

like a gen Z group of kids, you know what I mean.

11:31

And so Renee took it entirely

11:33

in a different place. And her voice is

11:36

just insane, huh.

11:38

I mean World Burn excellent,

11:42

excellent.

11:43

All I wanted was I wanted the last note

11:45

in World Burn held that longer, oh,

11:48

like it ends in this insane,

11:51

like crazy high belt,

11:54

and I just wanted it extended a little bit more

11:56

like the gay person and me just wanted to hear

11:59

her sing louder longer.

12:02

People always want to want these

12:04

girls to sing louder and longer, and we should.

12:07

That feels like a real culture to me about.

12:09

When the number is that, I think six culture

12:13

number six. Gay people always want

12:18

longer, and they should.

12:20

I thought that the movie was really

12:23

what I what I appreciated about

12:25

it was it felt almost like a

12:27

tip of the cap to us, like the people

12:29

that love that original movie. It felt more

12:32

of like it was like a commemoration and acknowledgment

12:34

of the original movie in a way

12:37

that felt really fun like and also just

12:39

like its testament to its staying power, the

12:41

fact that like, it feels like a lot of this

12:43

movie actually stayed the same because you do

12:46

have reverence for literally

12:48

even the way that some of these lines were

12:50

said, you know what I'm saying, Like a lot

12:52

of Gretchen's stuff, It's like, how

12:55

do you walk It's a tough test because how do

12:57

you walk the line between fans service,

12:59

which ultimately the existence

13:01

of these things are his purpose.

13:04

Yeah, and also like wanting

13:06

to create and give an opportunity to these people

13:08

to be iconic in their own right. And it

13:10

was interesting where I thought the movie

13:13

went for you know, commemoration

13:15

and throwback vibes, and where

13:17

it went for interesting you know swings

13:20

at like updating it and making it

13:22

into a movie for you know, kids

13:25

that are that age now.

13:27

Yeah, I feel like they had this really

13:30

they, as in Tina

13:33

and these directors had

13:35

this really hard task in

13:38

terms of modernizing it with

13:42

social media stuff, right

13:45

where the burn Book can

13:47

kind of easily be replaced

13:50

by the entire like apparatus of social

13:52

media. But then they do the smart thing of

13:54

just like making those things work in tandem. I

13:56

don't think either thing is

13:59

diminished.

14:00

No, I think it was right to

14:02

update it. In the script where they were like Regina's

14:05

mom found it finds the

14:07

burn Book. It's like a relic that they

14:09

used to do. That feels right,

14:11

especially like even the prop work on

14:13

that book, they made it look exactly

14:16

like the old book.

14:17

Yes, yes, yeah, you know what's funny.

14:19

I think for some reason

14:22

I remember in two thousand and four seeing this

14:25

and feeling like I have to

14:27

remember these lines, you know what I mean? Like

14:30

it was like that, like you felt

14:32

like there was some sort of

14:34

like we were in hallowed ground

14:37

watching the movie in terms of like, yeah, cinematic

14:40

relevance.

14:42

I think that's what motivated me to go see

14:44

it like four times in theaters when I was thirteen

14:48

years old.

14:48

Yep.

14:49

Going by myself

14:51

I think two out of the four, yeah, and then

14:53

going up with my sister for one of them,

14:56

and then I forgot who else for another. But like it was

14:58

I was like, something's

15:00

happening. Yeah, like this

15:03

is my favorite movie

15:05

ever.

15:06

I think.

15:06

Yeah, Like it just like defined

15:10

everything about the way I was like

15:12

speaking from then on, and I was the way I viewed

15:14

the world. I was like, oh, this is

15:17

all like hierarchical and this is and like

15:19

this is what I like. So the year this came

15:21

out it launched us into high school. We were like in the eighth

15:23

grade. I think, uh, going into

15:25

high school. Yeah, it's fuzzy for me, but

15:28

yes, yeah yeah, And I

15:31

think it just informed everything about high school.

15:33

For me, it was just going into it being like, well, this

15:35

is like saw high school

15:37

movies, which were big at the time, didn't

15:40

really apply it to anything real

15:43

or grounded or lived in in my own like little

15:47

world. But then like something about me and Girls Speak

15:49

based on the source material of the book

15:51

by Roslyn Weisman, I was just like, oh, this is all

15:53

like pretty well

15:56

studied behavioral stuff. Oh

15:58

y, that's that's what makes it work,

16:01

and that's what makes it Evergreen.

16:02

I think.

16:03

You know what's interesting is it's like certain

16:06

things that were really

16:09

integral to the plot of the two thousand and four

16:11

film that really,

16:14

you know, alter the direction that characters

16:16

are going. Like in the update,

16:19

you realize how much our world has changed. Like,

16:21

for example, in the two thousand and four

16:24

version, one of the ways they destroy

16:26

Regina is they fuck with her weight,

16:29

and in the twenty twenty four version, the

16:32

weight thing feels a

16:34

little different, doesn't have as much

16:37

Yeah, I realized that when like, well,

16:39

for me, it felt like it

16:41

actually felt even more sensitive because

16:45

this is something that it feels like, I

16:47

don't know, it feels like in twenty twenty four,

16:49

we are in a more diverse version

16:51

of this school, and we're in a more like

16:54

even though there's like bullying at play, we

16:57

are like in an environment where it feels

16:59

like the world has changed. So

17:02

when they're when they try to fuck with her weight

17:04

in the twenty twenty four version and

17:06

Renee has the line where she's like, sweatpants are

17:08

all that fits me right now, it felt

17:11

like darker, heavier,

17:13

different and heavier now in twenty twenty

17:15

four, because we know better as

17:18

a culture to do this, and also like you

17:20

get the sense like it hasn't really

17:23

felt like they care about their weight

17:25

too much. And then at the end you're like,

17:27

well, this is of course something that's still

17:29

going to be sensitive, even in a time of

17:32

like you know, body positivity and like talking

17:34

about like being at the really at

17:36

the forefront of like we're an inclusive,

17:38

accepting world. It's

17:40

still interesting how that's still hurt

17:43

in twenty twenty four as it

17:45

did in two thousand and four. I don't even know if I'm making

17:47

it with a different way this, yeah,

17:49

it.

17:50

Just hurts different, like they the

17:52

weight thing in two thousand and four was

17:57

embedded in the culture a little bit meter

18:01

than it does now, where I think there's this like

18:04

really tough

18:06

incongruity with like the way bodies

18:09

are discussed now. But I

18:12

think it's still ongoing.

18:14

But it's like now in like a post Ozambic

18:17

culture, it's like, well, then, I guess, and then how

18:20

but how do we really feel about I

18:22

guess.

18:22

What I'm trying to say is like in twenty

18:24

twenty four, it feels like we know

18:27

better than to make

18:29

this an issue, and so the

18:32

character saying like sweatpants

18:34

are all that fits me right now, like and her realizing

18:37

that, so this is what they've done, Like it

18:39

feels like even more of a betrayal because

18:42

it's just weird, Like I was more on the Genus

18:44

side at that point than I was in

18:46

two thousand and four. Does that make sense, because I was

18:48

like, totally feels like this is really brutal.

18:51

In twenty twenty four when we've had this conversation,

18:53

especially gen Z is like very

18:56

like, you know, there's like a refusal to at

18:58

least like on face value, it's like a fusal to

19:00

condemn each other for whatever your body

19:02

size may or may not be. And so for that

19:04

to happen in twenty twenty four felt like more

19:07

of a betrayal and it almost like

19:09

complicated it for me in terms of what side

19:11

I was Ona versus the other plastics

19:13

and Katie, you know what I mean.

19:15

Totally it makes it compelling to watch, but

19:17

I think on that note

19:19

of being on Regina side, it

19:23

does make me think, well,

19:26

in character, when Regina George

19:28

make the weight gain work for her, right,

19:32

and that was.

19:33

A part of the original that I was like, I

19:35

didn't even think about that update, but

19:38

I was like Wow, there it feels

19:40

like really interesting and different when

19:43

we're talking about it now via VI. Then

19:45

also the queer stuff because

19:47

they made a lot of updates to the to

19:50

the Jena stuff, like Janis isn't out

19:53

lesbian in this movie, like

19:55

and she has been since she's young, and it's part of

19:57

the central conflict between her and Regina,

20:00

which I think also was a pretty smart

20:02

update for examptally.

20:05

I think that was done well.

20:07

Yeah, in two thousand and four, the weaponization

20:10

was like the closetedness and the thing

20:12

of like she might be a lesbian, And

20:15

in twenty twenty four, it feels like

20:17

the weaponization is based on the

20:19

fact that, like, you thought you had a safe space with

20:21

me, right and now I'm hurting

20:24

you based on your feelings and I'm emotionally

20:26

manipulating you based on your feelings.

20:27

Which felt like it's

20:29

still about the closet. It's still about the closet,

20:32

which I think is smart. But anyway, I

20:35

think it's kind of cool that it opened

20:39

that it was number one, because where

20:42

are we on this whole? Where where are execs

20:45

on this with the whole? Like, let's hide

20:48

the broccoli under the cheese when it comes to

20:50

a musical, like, let's never

20:52

market these things as musicals, and

20:56

then it I guess it works.

20:58

I guess people are like snookered

21:01

into like going to buy a ticket for Wonka

21:05

when like there's no there's nothing in

21:07

the publicity that's like it's

21:09

musical. But then like people sit

21:11

down, but then it gets butts in seats. So I'm

21:13

like, Okay, I guess this is working, but I don't

21:15

respect it necessarily.

21:17

I think what separates these two examples from

21:19

everything else is IP. So

21:21

Wonka is like people that we're gonna

21:23

see Wonka were going to see Wonka because they love that

21:25

property, or they love Timothy Shallame or

21:27

whatever reason. So the fact that it's a

21:29

musical like also kind of lives in the

21:32

DNA of what that is. So you're buying

21:34

into a certain thing. When you buy

21:36

into the Wonka of it all, you know you're gonna go to

21:38

like a surreal, silly place where if they

21:41

sang it wouldn't feel crazy. I mean, it's

21:43

like that's part of what the original

21:45

Wonka was. I think with Mean Girls

21:49

that IP was also gonna do well regardless,

21:52

Like I never for a second thought,

21:55

oh that movie might not make money. Like

21:57

I was actually shocked when they were putting in on Paramount

21:59

play Us. Initially I was like, why wouldn't

22:02

you put that in theaters? That will make money?

22:04

And so when they did and it made

22:06

money, I wasn't surprised because

22:08

Mean Girls say, very very

22:12

it has a stronghold on like pop

22:14

culture, like and that is pop culture.

22:17

I think that in

22:20

a pre Aristour Barbie world,

22:23

which is maybe when Paramount was

22:26

deciding on where to put this, they

22:29

were like, put it on the streamer. After

22:33

the Year of the Girl, Summer of the Girl thing

22:36

went down, they were like, wait a minute, women

22:39

love to spend money at.

22:41

The theat's in so insane that they realized

22:44

that. Yeah, it's like the

22:46

fact that Barbie and Ariostour like

22:49

quote unquote needed to happen, or needed

22:51

to play out, or needed to at least feel

22:54

like it was going to play out for them to make a decision

22:56

to put Mean Girls in theaters.

22:58

Like I understand, we all want to help that,

23:00

they all want to help their streamers out, so that's part

23:03

of it. But it's just like, of course

23:05

this movie was gonna make money, you know,

23:07

it's mean Girls like it's

23:10

not even like a hit movie

23:12

from twenty years ago like anything

23:14

else. This is mean girls, Like this is

23:17

something that is readily

23:20

quoted twenty years later, and

23:22

people don't even think about the fact that they're quoting

23:24

the movie because it became part of the lexicon,

23:27

you know what I mean. Like, yeah, it's just

23:29

how many of these lines did they feel

23:32

like they couldn't change because

23:34

they're so important to people, you know,

23:36

Like I know, color me totally unsurprised,

23:39

but in terms of the musical of it all,

23:41

like the fact is they do hide it. They

23:43

hide it all the time.

23:45

So strange, so strange to me. Anyway,

23:48

This is me like coming off of not

23:51

that I was heavily involved in any of this discussion,

23:53

but like all

23:55

respect to Josh Sharp and Aaron Jackson for oh

23:58

yeah, like make a film and like

24:01

going with it and calling it dicks the musical,

24:04

right, Like God bless

24:06

you for putting musical in your title.

24:09

Yeah, I mean. Also, it's

24:11

just like I don't believe

24:13

this thing. And I get that there's like empirical

24:16

data, but I don't believe this thing that people

24:18

don't see musicals, because wasn't it not that long

24:20

ago that one of the biggest hits of the

24:23

entire year was Greatest Showman. Like

24:25

you know what I'm saying, It's just like, what about

24:28

these examples that make a fuck

24:30

ton of money? And maybe I'm

24:32

naive, but isn't it just

24:35

the movie should be good?

24:38

Yeah, but that's so arbitrary,

24:40

and I don't know so the people I guess

24:42

greenlighting it. Maybe Yeah, I

24:45

guess it's that thing where these studios

24:48

are more and more separated by this

24:50

chasm of not knowing what the

24:52

audience is anymore. Right,

24:55

it's just about the audience relationship,

24:57

and there are more and more agnostic

25:00

things about capital T capital

25:02

A the audience, right, I'm speaking

25:04

so absolutely.

25:06

But it's just weird because like you'd

25:08

think that they would understand that

25:11

when you activate a demographic

25:14

that you can literally see activated

25:17

over the things they love in all

25:19

media, like, for example, like in

25:22

music, that demographic literally

25:26

even if the rastor movie never came out, even

25:28

if the errors tour never happened. You know

25:30

how Gavanos I are for like Taylor Swift

25:32

and Harry Styles and like all those things.

25:35

So why wouldn't you make something for that

25:37

market that can engage them and make

25:39

them dress up and make them like interact

25:42

with each other and like in some cases meet

25:44

each other. You know what I mean, to engage

25:47

on this thing because we know how powerful

25:49

culture is. I mean, that's how we do this

25:52

podcast. It's like these things literally

25:54

bring people together. So it's

25:56

just like the hesitancy about whether to put

25:59

mean girls in theaters to me is just like I

26:01

understand not wanting to just pull the trigger

26:03

and just do it, but like what a sure

26:06

thing it is to make money, at least from

26:08

my preview, Like had that bombed, I would

26:10

have been really surprised.

26:12

Right, right, same thing

26:15

kind of applies, but not quite to color

26:17

purple. Like right, it did great?

26:19

Yeah, well, especially something that's like literally

26:22

tried and true, like both those things.

26:25

I think. You know what must have really scared people

26:27

is the West Side Story of it all. But

26:29

genuinely, think about who the audience

26:32

for West Side Story was and when they were

26:34

opening it, Like it's not rocket science

26:36

to find out that that might not do well. It

26:38

was a nostalgia movie geared towards older

26:41

people. It is unabashedly a

26:43

musical, there's no way to hide it. And

26:45

it's long, and it was pretty deep

26:47

COVID. It was like a dark time for COVID,

26:50

So that to me shouldn't

26:53

be a bell weather for musicals in

26:55

film, right.

26:56

But yeah, that was kind of the like crater

26:59

for a second and now we're coming out

27:01

of it.

27:02

Yeah, it felt like, well, if that failed,

27:04

we can't do this genre. And I'm like, just

27:06

because it's a famous musical doesn't

27:09

mean that people would want to see

27:11

it. Like I know fifty

27:14

people who you say you want

27:16

to see me and girls in the musical dated at least be like,

27:18

oh, yeah, I definitely want to check it out. I love the movie.

27:21

You say, west Side Story, that's a different

27:23

askue.

27:24

Right, They're like I

27:28

am not necessarily interested

27:31

or I am so emotionally attached to the original,

27:33

like there are a million reasons for people not to see.

27:36

It, yeah, yeah, yeah,

27:38

or also like you know it's gonna be really

27:40

sad. You know it's gonna be really

27:42

dark. Yeah, Like

27:45

as much as it's like that, and

27:47

that's me doing lay littl sharks and jets dance

27:49

Like it's sad, it's dark, it's

27:52

deep.

27:52

Like you disrespect Leonard Bernstein

27:55

again and.

27:56

He gonna always get it again and

27:59

again it good again. We

28:10

got some blowback last week for our

28:12

what we're apparently hot takes.

28:15

People have really turned on me for my innocent

28:17

not innocent I was. I guess I was pretty like,

28:20

uh, who cares? But I'm like, you know, she'll

28:22

be fine everyone. But if people

28:25

want to listen, listen, this is

28:27

a beautiful thing to me. If your

28:29

affinity for Rosamond Pike is more

28:31

important than our

28:34

friendship, relationship or your relationship

28:36

to this podcast, I understand,

28:39

and listen, go off, go off.

28:42

This actress who maybe

28:44

has nothing in common with most of us, Like,

28:48

if you want to line up.

28:49

With that, go ahead, love someone someone

28:52

DM this was this was so it's a

28:54

chill out my spine. Oh no. And I

28:56

didn't even say anything really negative about her.

28:58

I said, I do think she's pulled it off, said.

29:02

Some of this was.

29:04

It was funny moment. It was like a serial killer.

29:06

Someone sent me a picture of her and

29:09

said, you will you will never be a challenged

29:13

or a successful The same person

29:15

sent me the same thing and I was like,

29:17

oh god, it sent

29:19

a chill up my spine. I was like getting a message

29:22

from the traders.

29:23

It's from the trail, which we have to talk about. But I'm

29:25

like, but in that moment, when

29:27

I saw that message, I laughed and I was like, well,

29:29

this bitch is clearly listening to the podcast.

29:32

I was like, thanks for your readership.

29:35

I went full Monica Garcia and I blocked. I was like,

29:38

okay, I actually also blocked. I

29:40

almost responded to watch me, bitch, but

29:44

I just challenge accepted, challenge

29:46

accepted on my way to rosmand Pike

29:48

levels of fame and success.

29:49

Bitch, I'll see you there.

29:51

I mean, listen. I feel

29:54

bad that she fell down the stairs at Christmas and

29:56

therefore she had to wear that cage around

29:58

her face at the Golden Globes, and I.

30:00

Think she's really talented. I disagree

30:02

with my sister on the basis of has she ever pulled

30:05

it off? I think that she has pulled

30:07

it off.

30:07

And I and I said it as an asterisk,

30:09

she has pulled it off as well. Her dream

30:12

is supreme.

30:14

First of all. Really, all I have to

30:16

say is I don't.

30:18

Want to talk about her anymore. But let's be finish this.

30:20

No no, but I will double down on this

30:22

thing about gone girl, because like

30:24

people were like floored that we would

30:26

say that Reese Witherspoon would

30:29

make a better Amy and Gone Girl.

30:32

That's my opinion. In

30:34

the words of the Great Tamor Judge

30:36

Hemmer Trader's Season two that's

30:38

my opinion. That's Bowen's opinion.

30:41

We have a different view on what would have made

30:43

Amy effective in that movie. If

30:45

you think obvious Ice Queen from

30:48

Go works better for you, and you

30:50

love the turn and you love the way she did the cool

30:52

girl monologue, congratulations.

30:55

Many millions agrees, so do Academy

30:57

voters. That's incredible. I thought she

30:59

was good, but they're could have been more of a misdirect

31:01

in that characterization from the beginning. That's

31:03

my opinion. And if you don't think Reese

31:06

Witherspoon is capable of that, you have

31:08

not seen the work you went

31:10

to see.

31:11

Ol. People are saying that

31:15

we are pro recent

31:18

in this case because we want to work

31:20

on her projects. It's to

31:23

say that we like, isn't

31:25

getting anywhere near me.

31:27

It's so funny to be like, well, they probably want to

31:29

work with Reese. It's like, Babe, we want to

31:31

work with Emerald Finel too. It doesn't make us

31:33

stop saying we didn't think Saltburn

31:36

was a ten, Like this is, these

31:38

are our opinions?

31:39

Can I get real? Either

31:42

we are too filtered

31:44

and to like say it walking on

31:46

eggshells because we're like in

31:49

the morass now with these people, or

31:52

it's that when we do express an honest, authentic,

31:55

genuine opinion, it's because

31:57

we're like bitchy game,

32:00

like you remember that we have the wrong of it.

32:02

What do you want from us? People? That's

32:05

all?

32:05

We love you guys. I never have

32:07

felt any real actual contempt

32:10

for anything in this lost

32:13

culturistas ethos, but like,

32:15

it's okay if you guys don't like the same movies

32:17

as us, it's okay. If we don't like the same movies as you,

32:20

it's fine. We're all having fun

32:23

here.

32:23

It's actually art and subjective. Like someone

32:25

said to me that if we were talking about the SAG nominations,

32:28

and in my group chat, I was talking

32:30

about, like, you know who I might vote for because

32:33

you know, bo Andy Are and SAG and we get to vote

32:35

for this one. So I was like, you know, for

32:37

Best Actress, I might vote for Margot

32:40

Robbie And people were like why,

32:43

oh God, And I was like, oh, because art is

32:45

subjective, and that's my opinion, and

32:47

I don't think anyone else could have played Barbie.

32:50

I respect the way that she crafted

32:52

an arc of stereotypical

32:55

perfection into human realization, into

32:57

full blown humanity. I don't think it was easy,

33:00

you know. I don't see a ton of people producing

33:02

their movies the way that she seems to actively

33:04

produce it. She hasn't won a big award

33:07

like this, and I liked her performance and

33:09

I'm torn between her and Emma, that's

33:11

my opinion. But people would treat me

33:14

like it was like a Jill Stein vote. I

33:16

was like, I don't care about being right or predictive.

33:19

I am in the union. I'm gonna vote for the performance

33:21

that I think was the best. I have a

33:24

lot of respect for Margot

33:26

Robbie and her characterization,

33:28

and I've voted for her before for

33:31

SAG, I voted for her for Ititanya. I'm

33:33

a fan. That's my vote. That's my opinion.

33:36

This is what makes art a beautiful

33:38

thing to discuss on a podcast like Class Culturista.

33:42

Now, speaking of Tamra Judge, shall

33:44

we move on to The Trader season

33:47

two?

33:48

Yeah?

33:48

Yeah we should.

33:51

I'm so happy this show

33:54

has returned.

33:55

Oh, first of all, if

33:58

you want to get into Traders like you're

34:00

so in luck, because there's the whole first season

34:02

of US, there's a great

34:05

season of UK and an excellent

34:07

season of Australia, the

34:10

same game familiar. But

34:13

really, what's so great about this is you

34:15

see how just the dynamics

34:18

of a cast can change the entire way

34:21

and outcome and upper hand like that a

34:23

faithbook can have over a Trader. I also

34:25

love all the different hosts. But speaking

34:27

about the second season of Traders, I think

34:29

we have probably the greatest reality TV cast

34:32

of all time. Every fandom is

34:34

eating good, as they would say, and

34:37

I just can't I can't think

34:39

that they could have offered better fan

34:41

service that also feels like exciting,

34:44

watchable gameplay and not just fan service.

34:47

I just can't think of a better way they could have done it, Like

34:49

the way it shook out is so iconic.

34:53

Genuine moments of triumph in

34:56

my viewing experience.

34:57

And let's just say not spoilers here.

34:59

Spoilers. This is spoilers for the first

35:01

three episodes of Traders. Don't say we didn't

35:03

say it, Okay, continue, Sorry.

35:05

Maybe we'll insert a little thing here to tell you where to

35:07

skip too. But I

35:09

watched it with a group of friends who

35:12

have not seen any Traders before,

35:15

and everyone was remarking. We were all just laughing,

35:18

applauding at every single thing Alan

35:20

coming was saying. Because I think

35:24

whenever drag Race wants

35:26

to, like whenever Rupe Paul even

35:28

just wants to like take a step

35:30

back from racking up all these Emmies, like Alan

35:33

deserves some kind of recognition

35:35

for the work he's doing here.

35:37

He's having so much fun doing

35:39

it. He does look amazing, and

35:41

also he has It's

35:44

like that thing when a host is perfectly matched

35:47

to yes the show, you know what I mean.

35:49

He's in the fabric of that show. And it's funny

35:51

because when you do watch the international

35:53

versions from UK and Australia,

35:56

it's the same vibe with those hosts, like

35:58

you buy it and you love it. But there's

36:01

something about Alan. He's

36:03

just got this gravitas that's also playful,

36:06

that's also very authoritative,

36:09

like just perfect. And I hope

36:11

for again, not that it really matters,

36:13

but like I hope for recognition for him

36:16

at the Emmys for this, and I'm hoping that all the

36:18

Traders needed to do was establish itself

36:20

as a show. That's like a real hit

36:22

and a real zegeist moment, because I

36:25

mean if the rubric, like I always say,

36:27

is could anyone else have done it this? Well, I

36:29

don't think anyone else does it as good as Allan

36:32

No.

36:32

And speaking of that rubric,

36:36

no one is doing it as

36:38

well as Parverty

36:40

Shallow. And this

36:44

is a spoiler, there's a moment where she is

36:48

recruited to

36:50

the Traders. Yeah. I launched

36:53

out of my chair and applauded.

36:55

It was I mean, so I think that I was

36:57

praying to God when they said it

37:00

was between the four of them, because they were choosing between

37:02

and this was so long. They were

37:04

choosing between Janelle

37:07

from Big brother who is

37:10

an icon. Yeah, my sister is

37:12

freaking out about Dan and Janelle from Big

37:14

Brothers. She's like, you don't understand. They picked the two

37:16

best people. She's like, this is

37:19

gonna be major. Like Dan is an icon, like

37:21

et cetera. Apparently he played the

37:23

best game of Big Brother ever. And it's like funeral

37:26

or something like that was his own death or something.

37:29

It's like very very insane, but

37:31

like it was between them Larsa,

37:37

Sandra and Parvety.

37:39

The Larsa thing, their logic was, let's

37:41

break up that couple of Larsa

37:43

and Marcus. But the Sandra thing,

37:46

I mean you, you made a very good observation

37:48

to Sandra always plays best from the bottom.

37:50

From the bottom, she's a really amazing

37:53

You can see in her first two games of Survivor

37:55

she has a rough time yea. She plays

37:57

defensively really well because

37:59

people just don't think they have to worry about her. And

38:02

then meanwhile she's been right

38:04

under the surface, collecting, doing

38:06

it. She's carrying the bones.

38:09

And then in her last two games with Survivor,

38:11

when her ego was sort of part of her thing,

38:14

Queen stays queen, et cetera, and

38:16

she plays very aggressively. I very

38:19

clear she has to go. And

38:21

so what I'm seeing her do in Traders

38:24

so far is she's being a little bit more on the side.

38:27

She's playing as a faithful she's playing from

38:29

the bottom. So that makes her a

38:32

threat.

38:33

Now I only remark on this

38:35

because it is that you're twenty twenty four, But for

38:37

her to have a substantial

38:40

amount of money, yeah,

38:43

from winning Survivor twice, and

38:46

that you're twenty twenty four to

38:48

have full on braces

38:51

on TV. Now braces on TV and

38:53

not in visiln like, you can at least

38:56

go for the invisile line.

38:58

I don't think she should change a thing. I

39:00

think Sandra should keep following her every

39:02

in the

39:05

morning iconic she wakes up in the morning and opens

39:07

her eyes. She should always do the first thing that comes to her

39:09

mind. She cannot lose

39:13

braces on TV as a full grown woman who

39:15

should have the money to work around this. I

39:18

say Chef's kiss.

39:20

She is

39:22

so necessary right now, in this moment,

39:25

in this moment of reality television competition,

39:27

specifically Survivor specifically where everyone's

39:30

like collectively rediscovering it.

39:33

It's so important that she's back on her televisions.

39:35

Oh and I will say,

39:37

but I mean, surviver fans know, you

39:40

can't pick better people than Sandra and Parveny.

39:43

You just can't. Like that's like exactly

39:45

right. And then I would say the challenge people

39:48

would probably say the same thing about CT and Bananas

39:50

and even Trischelle, Like those are characters.

39:53

Drag Race people had peppermint for a

39:56

short time, but you know, at least

39:58

we had that and then the how Housewives.

40:01

They've chosen pretty fun housewives for this. I

40:03

mean even Larsa, who's about as dumb as

40:05

a rock, like, has been

40:08

showing a galvanization in the wake

40:10

of Marcus's murder. That's like really

40:13

interesting.

40:14

It's very interesting because she's

40:16

right, she's intuitive, and

40:19

I think they even, oh, no,

40:21

this is I'm reading an Agatha Christie book where someone

40:23

says the way women

40:25

form their intuition is from like

40:27

this like undercurrent of like analyzing

40:30

every single thing, every single

40:32

input that comes their way, and I think, like there is

40:34

I think the Housewives are actually everyone's

40:36

like, oh, like even people on the show are like, well,

40:39

the Housewives aren't like physical players, and they don't

40:41

like they're very new to this whole concept of reality

40:43

competition. But it's like the Housewives

40:45

have this these

40:48

antenna that are

40:50

extremely useful for a game

40:52

like this, and Larsa has Dan's

40:55

fucking number.

40:57

I think it's also a mistake to

40:59

not think of Housewives as a game. I

41:02

think a lot. I think it's a mistake to think

41:04

that they don't compete because

41:06

what you see every season, especially

41:09

as the show has become as

41:12

a franchise, something that is really

41:15

really really embedded and feels

41:18

like it does feel gamified in a

41:20

way, because I mean, what you want if you

41:22

are really someone who wants to play this game

41:25

and wants to keep the check and wants

41:27

to keep the spotlight and wants to keep

41:29

the platform, you want to be sitting

41:31

next to Andy on that couch. You want to be

41:34

safely let's call it center Diamond.

41:37

And so you're playing mind

41:39

games on like another level,

41:41

you know what I mean? Is it mentally healthy?

41:45

Probably not. But for

41:47

example, like there were winners

41:50

and losers of the recent salt Lake season,

41:53

you know what I mean, Like the winner of salt

41:55

Lake was Heather this season,

41:58

the loser was Monica. In that social

42:00

game, the Core four win, the

42:03

Faithful's win.

42:05

The faithfuls wand oh

42:08

my god, I

42:10

need to rewatch this season of salt Lake

42:12

with the frame of this is a season of the traders.

42:15

I mean, think about it. It was someone it was

42:17

someone with a knowledge the rest of them didn't have the

42:19

entire time trying to make them feel comfortable,

42:23

yeah yeah, and trying to eliminate

42:26

other people on that cast based on lies.

42:29

Like it's not that different. So to

42:32

think that a housewife can't win the

42:34

show is a mistake.

42:36

Huge mistake. I'm

42:39

curious to see how far Tamera goes, obviously

42:42

curious to see how far Phaedra goes.

42:44

I think is great.

42:46

They're not cutting to chart in the confessional

42:49

at all, which really is

42:51

strange to me. And it must something

42:54

must have happened on the production side, where like it

42:57

wasn't usable or something, and like.

43:00

Well, not everyone can get it's

43:02

a large cast, and not everyone can get

43:04

airtime. And I feel like, right now,

43:08

well, it's two things, right, It's like one thing

43:10

is like they have to actually follow the game that's

43:12

being played, and another thing is based

43:15

on a rewatch, you actually have to be able

43:17

to track the winner from the first episode.

43:20

Like that's just like an editing rule of reality television.

43:23

But speaking of the editing, they're not investing

43:25

in anything that Jari's doing at

43:28

all, which makes you go, don't

43:31

win. But like if

43:33

he's sticking around for at least four episodes, then

43:35

like cut to her for us

43:37

at least a couple seconds. That's

43:40

I don't know. I'm just a little confused.

43:41

I'm thro they do a pretty good job on this

43:43

show of making it feel like everyone

43:45

is a part of the show when that literally can't

43:48

be the case. I do want to take this moment to

43:50

say, over the past two days, you know what I've done,

43:52

I finally binge watched this most

43:55

recent season of Survivor. Forget

43:58

what you heard. This was a

44:00

great season. This season

44:03

was excellent. It was the most

44:05

dynamic relationships I've

44:08

seen on this show in a really long

44:10

time. I am confident calling

44:13

it, I think the best season of the new era it

44:15

is. It's really

44:18

good and the winner is era.

44:20

Yes, the winner is a ten. Wow,

44:23

the winner is a ten. I don't want to say anything

44:25

because I think you'll have fun watching it, but

44:29

really compelling, like

44:31

strategic moves out of relationships

44:35

and not just gameplay, which I've been

44:37

missing on this show for a really long

44:40

time, Like long scenes that

44:42

are just establishing relationship and storyline

44:45

and character dynamics that I

44:47

think make the show really compelling.

44:51

And it's great to see someone win playing

44:53

a great strategic game but also being

44:55

really winning in that respect. Ten

44:58

out of ten, this was a great season, and it starts

45:00

weird because some of the players are not

45:03

odd but really

45:06

really really worth it. And I'm

45:08

happy that I got to binge it all in once, because

45:11

that's the way I love to watch Survivor. So how I trained

45:13

myself to watch it during the pandemic. But everyone

45:16

jump in and anyone that watched it live

45:18

and was like, what are you doing? You got to watch you

45:21

were right? I finally did, and I

45:23

love it.

45:23

I love to hear this. I

45:26

love to hear this.

45:27

So are you predicting who are you predicting to win? Traders

45:29

at this moment?

45:30

Well, it's faithfuls are always at

45:32

a disadvantage. And this is if you've played enough games

45:35

of Mafia or Werewolf or whatever, you know this already.

45:37

Like there was real period where we

45:40

were playing this all the time at Chinese

45:42

school on Sundays, like it was

45:44

the obsession, and Mafia

45:48

usually wins. It's really hard

45:50

for these faithfuls to root out who

45:53

among them is deceiving,

45:55

cunning, whatever. But I think my opinion,

45:57

and this is me being pretty big

46:00

brother illiterate, I feel like Dan

46:02

is not as smart as

46:04

he thinks he is. He's not playing obviously,

46:07

like his scent is sort of wafting

46:10

through the halls a little bit. I think that

46:14

he's not making it till the end, and

46:18

I think that what's showing. What

46:21

was interesting about last season mild

46:24

spoil if you haven't seen the first season of The Traders us

46:26

SII was able to manage these boys,

46:30

and what's happening now is Dan

46:32

thinks he can manage these women, but he

46:35

is in over his head. It's

46:37

very much giving. I know better because

46:39

I'm a man. I'm sorry, that's just how it's

46:41

coming off to me.

46:44

I think also, well, I was having this discussion

46:47

the other day, which is if I'm

46:49

a contestant on The Traders and I look

46:51

around and I'm someone who knows

46:54

something, and I look

46:56

at someone like Dan, I look at someone

46:58

like Poverty, I'm thinking thinking, well,

47:01

they're gonna want to pick them as

47:03

a Trader, yeah, because that's

47:06

what the audience wants to see. So

47:08

I hear that argument. But at

47:10

the same time, as someone who

47:12

is like a fan of several different franchises

47:15

here, when they picked

47:17

Fedra, I wasn't surprised at

47:20

all, because that to me felt like Housewives

47:22

fan service. And I

47:24

feel like someone who loves Big

47:27

Brother feels the same way about Dan

47:29

Da, someone who loves Survivor feels

47:31

the same way about poverty. Yeah, And in

47:34

that respect, you kind of can't

47:36

really use the logic of, oh, well, they

47:38

had to pick them, because every

47:41

single fandom has that person

47:43

and they can't all be picked as traders.

47:46

So like, if

47:48

I'm there, you have to go solely

47:51

off gameplay. And that's

47:53

where knowing something about these franchises

47:56

comes into play, because if you see

47:58

Dan acting weird, then

48:00

Dan's acting weird, you know what I mean. Also,

48:02

I think it's different when everyone is a

48:04

reality show person who's trained

48:07

to think in this psychotic way, where

48:10

like you can't be quiet, damn,

48:13

Like you don't have the option of being quiet.

48:15

You look suspicious because you wouldn't

48:17

be quiet.

48:18

Right, And Parvity, I

48:22

think is doing great.

48:25

I think she's flying under the radar a little, Like

48:27

all three of these traders are a little too quiet

48:29

for my liking. But

48:32

Parverty walking around with this Chalice was

48:35

hilary, yes, because I don't think

48:37

it's the gameplay that she's used to No,

48:40

And I had pure I had like real

48:42

anxiety watching her. I was like, oh my god,

48:44

oh my god, oh my god, oh my god, she's being so obvious. She's being

48:46

so obvious. Yeah, like and

48:49

readers Kase public Is finalists. If you don't know what we're talking

48:51

about, just please please please try and watch this as soon

48:53

as you can. You won't regret it. But part

48:55

walking around with this goblet, I was like, she

48:58

is not used to this kind of like

49:01

surreptitious behavior

49:04

necessarily, and the way that survivor you

49:06

can sort of like couture

49:08

intentions in like communication. This

49:11

is her with something physical, being in

49:13

like a crowd of people, so many

49:16

variables around her. It's

49:18

it's a little panic inducing for me as a viewer.

49:21

Yeah, and this is where I think, like

49:25

as a viewer, you're

49:27

just looking for things that they're not Like

49:29

I think us as viewers, we with the

49:32

knowledge of poverty as a trader walking

49:34

around with that Childice, We're like, oh my god, she's so obvious.

49:36

I genuinely think if

49:38

you're there, you might just forget

49:41

that she could hand you something that's

49:43

a poisoned drink, you know what I mean. Like it's

49:46

like like that's where it's. It

49:48

really makes it seem like it should

49:50

be easier and more obvious until

49:53

you're doing it. I would imagine that I would

49:55

imagine it's like anything else where it's just like anyone

49:58

on the couch would be like, oh, I'd absolutely this,

50:00

like you should have seen me yesterday watching Star

50:02

ivor being like, well, here'd be my game plan,

50:05

Like no, it wouldn't.

50:05

Bitch, all that's

50:08

are off when you're all that's are

50:10

off.

50:11

But they couldn't have picked I

50:14

mean, the outcome was incredible.

50:16

I mean when I heard her voice laughing, I was

50:19

like, oh my god, they actually picked her, and

50:21

it was similar to what you were saying, like I think. I got up

50:23

out of my seat and paced around. I was like, I love

50:25

my life.

50:27

I love my life. I hate

50:31

how the Peppermint stuff shook out and fucking

50:33

Trischelle they still haven't spoken.

50:35

I saw a headline where Peppermin Tritill still

50:37

haven't spoken because Trischelle

50:39

is a fucking loser.

50:42

I didn't love the way that shook out. I didn't

50:44

like. I just wish it didn't have to go that

50:47

way. One thing I'll say is like you do

50:49

get the sense that Peppermint is like a very big

50:52

personality, and you can like

50:54

they do tend to leap on the

50:56

big personalities, especially early when they have nothing

50:58

to go off. But that whole

51:01

situation with them talking

51:03

and then Chelle making Peppermint's

51:05

reactions so much more than it was felt

51:08

like amplifying something in

51:10

a negative way.

51:12

Yeah, I know what you're feeling, right, I

51:15

know what you're saying it. Yeah, we'll

51:18

leave it at that.

51:19

Cut to Charat. I am not happy right now.

51:24

Art is so funny.

51:25

Sharia is so funny that I hope she stays a

51:28

little bit longer than we expect her to, but

51:30

we're not expecting her to.

51:32

She's the bone collector, like she carries

51:34

the bones. I mean, you know me, I want Housewives

51:36

supremacy, Like there would be nothing I want

51:38

more than to watch this be all Housewives.

51:42

Insane social tactics being

51:44

used in Tamra interrogating this man

51:47

from Parliament about his asthma was

51:51

completely out of fam.

51:54

Tamra's gameplay so far. I'm like, okay,

51:57

her asking like Vernon Haaler when they're

51:59

running. I'm like, pretty smart,

52:02

pretty clever.

52:03

I think nothing's been as smart

52:05

so far than Poverty faking

52:08

out that she was going to vote Dan crossing out

52:10

the D and.

52:11

Then yes, oh my god, I was obsessed

52:14

with that.

52:14

She's just good. She's just thinking

52:16

more than she just

52:19

hasn't missed the step. She has not missed

52:22

a fucking step.

52:23

I was thinking about the web in

52:26

black Wood a Brigade, and I was just like, I was just thinking

52:28

about her thing with them what's his face in

52:30

Micronesia? Of like, who do you want to take to the

52:32

end? Girls?

52:34

Yeah?

52:34

So such a great TV

52:36

moment Charay though, I'm like, have

52:40

we talked enough on this podcast about the

52:42

force that is Chara Whitefield? Just

52:45

like the staying power of so

52:47

many of the things that she said. I

52:49

was with Tomas Modos the other day and like,

52:52

oh, I'm joah. We were laughing and

52:54

then someone was talking about like the beat of a song, and then

52:56

like immediately they launched it too. Definitely

53:00

I liked I like to like, I

53:05

like the beat.

53:06

I like to beat.

53:07

And if you go check me boo?

53:09

Of course I watched who Go and Check Me a Boo?

53:11

Frequently And my sister, who's like a

53:14

huge big brother and cyber fan, doesn't know how

53:16

his wives. She was like, how do I know

53:18

who these people are? I just sent like

53:21

four clips that would get them all across,

53:24

and of course I sent who Going Check Me a Boo? And

53:27

she was like my sister was streaming,

53:30

screaming, laughing at like what

53:32

played out? What transpire between Shreg and the party

53:35

planner. I mean it's like kind of television, so

53:37

good customer

53:40

service, customer.

53:42

And then and then whatever happened to Hello,

53:46

how are you?

53:49

My name is?

53:51

My name is? How

53:53

are you are you? My name? My name is?

53:56

And then and then the thing that gets overlooked

53:58

in the simmer Spring Summer

54:00

moment is Candy is

54:03

Candy going like he's

54:05

asked me like when it's coming out

54:08

or something. And then and

54:10

then tore Goo's it's quiet

54:13

like like like brushes her off.

54:15

And then he goes, Okay, well it wasn't clear,

54:17

and sregoes, you're not being clear,

54:22

Atlanta.

54:23

We have to say, Atlanta.

54:25

We have to save our girls.

54:28

Girls.

54:28

And I'm telling you like so

54:31

of course, like there's been interview. I'm obsessed

54:33

with the traders, like I cannot stop, and

54:35

so I'm watching all their interviews and like trying

54:37

to suss out, like based on what they're saying in the interviews

54:39

with like ET or whatever the fuck online,

54:42

like like whether or not they stay.

54:44

I was watching an interview with Shrey and they were like, what's

54:46

up with Real Housewives of Atlanta? Like when are we gonna

54:49

hear? And she was like, well, there's gonna be a cast

54:51

shake up. And I was like, please

54:53

God, like, let's fix

54:56

Atlanta. And by fixing Atlanta,

54:58

I don't mean fire everybody,

55:00

because I understand why that needed to happen to for

55:03

New York. I'm not there yet with with

55:05

Atlanta.

55:07

But what do you think, like Drew Sonya

55:10

Marlowe gone, I.

55:11

Think they have to go. I just don't

55:13

think marlow I don't

55:15

think Marlowe is.

55:17

She does not hold the peach.

55:18

Well, I don't think it's positive, you

55:21

know what I mean, Like, I just it feels I

55:23

don't know, it just feels like something

55:26

dark sided about it. Whereas like I

55:28

think we can move forward with Kenya Candy,

55:32

Well, Candy's so hugely

55:34

popular that you kind of can't just like

55:37

fire her, but like I don't think she gives great

55:39

story, but maybe she could. And

55:41

then Charay and you

55:44

know, I just I want the classic girls,

55:47

you know Atlanta in the seasons

55:49

where Porsha was there, where Faedra was there,

55:51

where Cynthia Bailey was there, like you

55:54

know, not to say, but like Nini in her

55:56

prime, there was no one better. Obviously, we'll

55:58

never get those days back because nin is never

56:00

coming back. But we could

56:03

do it. We could do it with these great characters that we

56:05

know and love. It's it's just I

56:07

don't know, it has to make sense. It has these

56:10

they have to have real relationships. It's like any of the shows.

56:12

Yeah, Brick Ashley did a

56:15

whole video essay about how Potomach

56:18

is in its flot I watch it an

56:22

article.

56:22

Yeah, it was the whole thing about how like how disappointing

56:24

it is to have, you know, when Dey and

56:27

Neca against each other, the way that

56:29

they are based on culture and based

56:31

on you know, heritage, and it's

56:33

really ugly. And they really

56:35

called out the way that it feels like the goalposts

56:38

do move for certain cast

56:40

members. You

56:42

know, it's in its flop ear.

56:43

I would agree, But I'm so thrilled

56:47

that Brooke Ashley shares our opinion, which

56:49

is break up

56:51

or just get rid of entirely the Green Eye biendas.

56:54

She was making a really good point about how

56:56

Beverly Hills this season is so because

57:00

because they got rid of, you know, a

57:03

toxic element of the group. And

57:05

I say this as someone who has really liked has

57:08

done before. But at a certain point, like

57:11

we know what the show is with gizl.

57:13

You know what I'm saying. It's like, we know I'm bored.

57:16

We know what the environment and the setting and

57:19

the feel of the show is

57:21

with Giselle at the center, and it's

57:23

not working anymore, and who

57:26

knows, maybe it will be a lot

57:28

better at this point, like it can't get worse,

57:31

and I don't think Pasona can get worse.

57:33

What a hateful person. I will say it till

57:35

the day I die. Giselle, Brian, God,

57:38

you are a canker

57:40

on this state.

57:42

We're gonna get dms now that are like I

57:44

don't picture pictures of Gazel being like you will never

57:46

be as talented and successful as.

57:52

Bring them forth, Come forth?

58:03

Oh thoughts on yes?

58:04

And I like yes and a

58:06

lot like it's so funny, Like I knew

58:08

when I was first hearing it, I'm like, oh,

58:11

people are gonna be like I don't know about

58:13

this, and then in two sbins they're gonna

58:15

be like it's my favorite song. And that's what happened.

58:18

I just was like trying to put

58:20

myself in the mind frame of like this

58:23

is going to be a fucking moment.

58:25

I happen to like it from the very beginning,

58:27

Like I really did like the song, but there

58:30

was that reaction that I could tell was gonna

58:32

happen, which is, I might need to listen

58:34

to this a bunch of times. And now it feels like

58:37

people are turning a corner and liking it. But

58:39

it certainly feels like an

58:41

installment in that type of song we've

58:43

been getting again and again, which is that like house,

58:46

you know, House inspired, like

58:48

you know, summer bop, Like it's

58:51

certainly in vogue right now to do this type

58:53

of song, but it's also like very essentially

58:55

Ari. I feel like her DNA

58:57

is in there. Yeah.

58:59

I love the swing of

59:03

You're not getting a vocal from me until

59:06

it's forty five seconds into the

59:08

song.

59:09

Yeah, I love that.

59:11

I have a different opinion on this because I

59:14

think after recording the

59:16

album, I really have an appreciation

59:19

for just how layered and

59:22

like textured she is

59:25

in all of her music, even if she's

59:27

not like belting down like

59:30

right, just listen to the little harmonies in like

59:32

little places where there's vocals and like really

59:34

extra color and just like she's

59:36

two things. She's an amazing singer, she's

59:38

also an amazing recording artist. And

59:41

I really like the way that

59:44

she creates her

59:46

like scape, like I just I'm

59:49

really into it, Like I'm

59:51

really listening to positions again in the album which

59:53

was like fucking shit in

59:55

the Pandemic it was for me. Yeah,

59:58

But that's what I'm saying is it's like I think a lot

1:00:01

of her music people call

1:00:03

growers because they're not appreciating

1:00:07

appreciation. They're not appreciating

1:00:10

just how fun and how much there is

1:00:13

and like her more quote unquote simple music where

1:00:15

she's not singing to the rafters.

1:00:17

But the consistent thing with her her

1:00:20

stuff is that it's always technically

1:00:23

very lush. And have you seen this

1:00:25

this video that she put up of her It's like I

1:00:28

want to say, like five to six seven eight

1:00:30

minutes long of her like on pro tools, Yeah,

1:00:33

picking the takes, going

1:00:35

back being like well, I sound

1:00:37

like I'm actually speaking English in this one, like she like

1:00:40

you hear her thought process and she's teaching

1:00:42

Max like the shortcuts

1:00:45

and like how to do things in proach, Like she's

1:00:48

telling Max Martin like little production

1:00:51

things, you know what I'm saying, Like she like

1:00:54

she is this like technical person

1:00:57

literally on like the software level.

1:01:00

Yeah, in a way that I think people

1:01:02

are finally starting to appreciate. Yeah,

1:01:05

because they think of old they think, oh, like singer,

1:01:07

the singer, and the looks and the makeup and the

1:01:10

know all this stuff. But it's like this is a fully rounded

1:01:13

artist.

1:01:14

Yeah.

1:01:14

She is very intentional

1:01:16

and thoughtful about what she wants to say

1:01:19

in each song she thinks

1:01:21

of. She is an album artist down

1:01:25

she has this very holistic

1:01:27

view on things. In terms

1:01:29

of her body of work.

1:01:32

She is really

1:01:35

excited. That's all I can say firsthand.

1:01:37

Yeah, she I mean, she's kind of got all the

1:01:39

tools. She's a great singer. She's

1:01:42

like a really adepth producer.

1:01:45

She's someone who can create her own work lyrically.

1:01:48

She also has great taste, and

1:01:50

she also has a really really

1:01:53

really strong individual brand. All

1:01:56

that stuff that comes together, like it's

1:01:58

kind of unbeatable and really

1:02:01

sets her apart I think from

1:02:03

a lot of other people,

1:02:06

you know what I mean, Like it's and so therefore

1:02:09

it feels like she can kind of do

1:02:12

whatever she wants to do and people aren't going

1:02:14

to be like, they're

1:02:16

never gonna say Ari flop era, They're

1:02:18

just not. And even when

1:02:20

she goes through her you know, publicized

1:02:24

struggles, right like, she's

1:02:26

always going to have her

1:02:28

gift and her talent, and it

1:02:31

feels like she's always able to kind

1:02:33

of divert back to that in a way that I think

1:02:36

is like a kind of

1:02:38

crucial in an era where people are always

1:02:40

going to be up in the business and think

1:02:42

that they know better and be like

1:02:46

something where maybe if she does make a mistake,

1:02:48

she always has that you know what I'm saying. It's

1:02:50

like it's six of one and no one knows

1:02:53

really what's actually going on, but

1:02:55

everyone knows that she's fucking talented as

1:02:57

fuck.

1:02:58

Yeah, yeah, I wanted to.

1:03:01

Can I quickly shout out one one other thing before we

1:03:03

move on Waxahatchie new single

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right back to it excellent, beautiful

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if you're a Waxahachi fan, subscribe

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to her substack and she like is really writing

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some beautiful pieces, like long form

1:03:16

things about how like she's writing me songs

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and it's really interesting. I'm so excited she 'ose

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back. She did send me the

1:03:22

whole album that's coming out in March. It is great,

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fantastic. I'm so, so so excited.

1:03:27

Now I'm going to reach out.

1:03:28

I want to hear it.

1:03:29

Katie, Katy, Crutch, Gil come

1:03:31

on, Crutch, come on, Crutch up prior

1:03:33

guest of the pod of course, if you were aware.

1:03:36

Okay, that's all so.

1:03:37

Speaking about when you say prior guest,

1:03:40

I think that Balin and I want to take this opportunity

1:03:42

to just talk about the podcast

1:03:44

and just talk about how in our ninth

1:03:46

season we want

1:03:49

to evolve and we want to

1:03:51

feel like the podcast is

1:03:54

while this is so fun, not always

1:03:56

us just talking about the culture catchup, because

1:03:58

let's just be real. As you guys have seen,

1:04:01

we don't have a lot of guests anymore.

1:04:04

And that's for a couple reasons. I think

1:04:06

that I can say for us like we've

1:04:08

gotten busier, and I think that while

1:04:11

the guests are incredible, they require a certain

1:04:13

amount.

1:04:14

Of prevage our alignment.

1:04:16

Yeah, and there's just a lot going on. And

1:04:18

the truth is that Bowen and I really

1:04:21

like just doing it like this, and it's

1:04:24

no shade to the concept of guests, and we're not saying

1:04:26

we're not going to have guests, but it's

1:04:28

just shook out the way that this is the way the podcast

1:04:31

is happening now and we

1:04:33

love it. And you know, in

1:04:36

the next few months, like leading

1:04:38

up to our four hundredth episode, which is so exciting,

1:04:41

Bowen and I aren't going to be in the same place

1:04:43

because I have to remain in Los Angeles for

1:04:45

good reasons and Bowen has to be in

1:04:47

New York for what we know are good reasons.

1:04:50

So we wanted to think of a way to

1:04:53

create a new element of the podcast, and we came

1:04:56

up with something that we're pretty excited about.

1:04:58

We have not really named

1:05:00

it. And is that an important piece to this you think?

1:05:03

Or no, I think we should index

1:05:05

what this is because it is not

1:05:07

quite a segment. It is a

1:05:09

new facet

1:05:12

of the full prism of the

1:05:14

podcast. Yeah, but basically,

1:05:16

what we're gonna do is we

1:05:18

are going to randomly.

1:05:20

Oh, you have it, Okay, a goblin.

1:05:23

I have a goblet in my hands, so bowing

1:05:25

before. But the reason I was two minutes late to the zoom

1:05:27

and I can admit to being two minutes late to the zoom

1:05:30

is because so this is what happened.

1:05:32

Bow When texted me the other day and he

1:05:34

made a great point, which was that you

1:05:37

know a lot of times, like especially like in

1:05:39

podcasting now, where it feels like there's a million

1:05:41

a lot of people are doing the thing of two

1:05:44

people talking, and we just want

1:05:46

to make sure that we feel ahead

1:05:48

of this thing and don't make it feel

1:05:50

like what was that article that you said, like results

1:05:53

in like over indulgent blood when people

1:05:55

are just talking to each other.

1:05:57

This is a piece in Byline, which is lovely,

1:06:00

lovely, lovely new online

1:06:02

publication that is really trying to fill in this really

1:06:05

sad, huge gaping

1:06:08

hole in media right now where like there is no

1:06:10

place for new writers to start,

1:06:12

Like we're not in a time of like man

1:06:15

Repeller, Gawker, like you

1:06:17

know, Roocky mag anymore. And as

1:06:20

all these things get

1:06:23

like bought out by these bigger media

1:06:25

entities, and it's very sad. And anyway,

1:06:28

it's quite sad. But they did a whole profile on these on

1:06:30

the two founders in the New York Times that I thought was really interesting.

1:06:33

But someone writes this piece

1:06:36

about podcasting becoming overcrowded.

1:06:38

We know this to be true already. I

1:06:41

sent Matt this little excerpt. Podcast

1:06:43

need to embrace these analogy. The trend towards open ended

1:06:45

podcast leads to over indulgent glut and ultimately

1:06:48

audience fatigue. Creating podcasts

1:06:50

with different themes and seasons allows those making them

1:06:53

time to ebb and flow and fold in new ideas.

1:06:55

This is a new idea, and we're very excited about

1:06:57

it. Yeah, and so we're gonna be

1:06:59

doing it all the way up until our four hundredth episode.

1:07:02

I have a goblet in my hands, and this

1:07:04

is the goblet of cultural years. So

1:07:07

these are there are fifty

1:07:10

years in this goblet, and

1:07:13

so every episode we're going to

1:07:15

at the end pick out

1:07:17

of the goblet of cultural years and

1:07:20

whatever year that is, and it's the most recent

1:07:22

fifty years, we are going to on

1:07:24

the following episode do a full cultural

1:07:28

excavation. We're going to be talking

1:07:30

about the news of this day,

1:07:33

the pop culture of this day, how they interacted,

1:07:35

what the top games were, yes, sorry,

1:07:38

what the top films were, what the top music was,

1:07:40

what the top stories were, What was

1:07:43

happening to the girls in this

1:07:45

year, What we remember of this

1:07:47

year if we were alive, what we can find

1:07:49

out about this year and do a full blown

1:07:52

cultural excavation on that year, sort

1:07:54

of calling back to the very origin of this podcast,

1:07:57

which is Last Culture Recess. We are culture

1:07:59

curators and excavators, so

1:08:02

we are really excited about this because

1:08:05

it's going to not be homework but

1:08:08

also be educational culture

1:08:10

and this podcast being mentioned in academic

1:08:12

work. I mean, I can't really think

1:08:14

of a better move for us in terms

1:08:17

of us getting an honorary

1:08:19

degree from Harvard one day.

1:08:20

You know what I mean, absolutely, that is the

1:08:23

goal here, and I

1:08:25

am very excited. I am

1:08:27

so curious to see what this first

1:08:30

year is should we find out,

1:08:32

Let's find out, Let's find

1:08:35

out.

1:08:36

Of reaching into the goblet of cultural

1:08:38

years, and this will be on our next episode.

1:08:41

We will be deep diving,

1:08:44

twirling and thriving in

1:08:46

the year that I pick out, and it's in

1:08:48

my hand right now. That year is bowing.

1:08:51

The gods are shining on us. I'm

1:08:54

because this was a culturally ripe

1:08:57

year and it's an important year for

1:08:59

you and I. Nineteen eight, two

1:09:02

thousand and nine, two

1:09:04

thousand and nine will

1:09:07

be the year that we culturally

1:09:10

excavate on the next episode

1:09:12

of Last Culturistas. I mean, I'm already

1:09:15

bursting at the seams. This was such a.

1:09:16

I already know what I'm gonna talk about. DJ

1:09:19

Earworms, United States of Pop

1:09:21

Mashup. That was his best work.

1:09:23

That was one of the best mashups in the history of mashups.

1:09:26

It's mashup culture. We're talking about mashup culture.

1:09:28

We're talking about girl talk, We're talking about all

1:09:31

the pop girlies. I'm so excited.

1:09:33

You know what happened is the culture gods.

1:09:36

They actually heard us say Katie Perry

1:09:39

teenage dream earlier in that yeah, and

1:09:41

they were like, well, let's

1:09:43

get truly into it on the next episode

1:09:45

of Last Culture. Wow. I didn't realize how much I love

1:09:47

this idea until we did this.

1:09:49

I can't think of a better year.

1:09:51

This is good. So you can now think

1:09:54

of Last Culturistas as the

1:09:56

occasional guest will come on. If there's anything

1:09:59

really, really insane that's happened in the culture,

1:10:01

we might do a full culture catch up. Think of Last

1:10:03

Culture is just going forward as a third

1:10:05

culture catch up, a third cultural

1:10:07

excavation from the hands of the goblet of culture,

1:10:10

and then a third I don't think so, honey, in the aftermath,

1:10:13

how about that? I love that?

1:10:15

And obviously the pie chart is

1:10:17

going to be a little uneven at times.

1:10:20

I don't think So Honey might take up a

1:10:22

mere three minutes all told,

1:10:25

but we're excited. I think

1:10:27

this is nothing is

1:10:30

really fundamentally changing about the podcast,

1:10:33

and it's a thrill and

1:10:36

we're very excited, but it has.

1:10:38

To remain fresh, you know what I mean?

1:10:40

Like, and I think that this is just something

1:10:43

that if you really think about

1:10:45

it, like, I don't think I ever have more fun than when

1:10:47

we're doing our like you know, our rankings

1:10:50

and our lists and our stuff like that. And I

1:10:52

feel like this is like in the family of that in a way

1:10:54

that we can make a permanent part of

1:10:56

the podcast. I'm like, super excited

1:10:58

about it. Yes, let's

1:11:03

go into I don't Think So Honey. On that note, I'm

1:11:05

into it.

1:11:06

What even is that I don't Think So

1:11:08

Honey is our segment we've done every

1:11:10

episode where we take one minute each to

1:11:13

go into a diatribe about something

1:11:16

that's really bothering us in the culture.

1:11:18

And do you have something, Matt Rodgers, I

1:11:21

do.

1:11:21

I do.

1:11:22

I we missed a

1:11:24

Golden Clobes recap when

1:11:26

we did our last episode because we recorded

1:11:28

it right prior.

1:11:29

And yes, I have something to say,

1:11:32

Okay, this is exciting, this is Matt Rogers's

1:11:34

I don't think so many as time starts now, I.

1:11:36

Don't think so honey, that ten days is

1:11:38

not enough time to put together jokes

1:11:40

for a Golden Globes monologue. I

1:11:43

understand that it's a really high profile

1:11:46

gig, and watching it, I even think sometimes

1:11:48

this is a no win gig. But you

1:11:51

have ten days to

1:11:53

put together what is essentially really

1:11:56

only has to be a five to ten minute bit. And

1:11:58

I'm not dragging because I feel like he's been dragged

1:12:01

enough. But Joe Koi has been in the game since nineteen

1:12:03

ninety four, so I would imagine that he

1:12:05

knows a lot of people that he could have gotten together to put

1:12:07

a rum together. And also that room could

1:12:09

have included people who really cared about

1:12:11

or knew about those movies. Because the fact

1:12:14

that we ended up with a situation where

1:12:16

we have to compare Oppenheimer, whose

1:12:18

story was based on a book, to Barbie,

1:12:21

whose story was based on a doll with big

1:12:24

boobies. It was humiliating,

1:12:26

and that was a really early joke to

1:12:29

throw your writers onto the bus. You didn't

1:12:31

picked the right writers. You are given the opportunity

1:12:34

of a lifetime. Don't blame it on everything

1:12:36

else. Ten days is a lot of time.

1:12:39

That's one minute.

1:12:40

I can't imagine what it's like to be noted a thing

1:12:42

like this. You've written for the Globes. If

1:12:44

you can provide some insight into this, I

1:12:47

would love to hear it. It just felt ridiculous

1:12:49

to me that that a ended up what

1:12:51

it was quality wise, and

1:12:54

B that the story ended up being what it was,

1:12:56

which is well, production was such a nightmare.

1:12:58

I only had ten days stop up, up up By now

1:13:01

I'm spinning out publicly.

1:13:02

So on that note, we got

1:13:05

there for the year that Andy Saberg

1:13:07

and Sandra Oh hosted. I

1:13:09

think like six

1:13:12

days, six or five days

1:13:14

of lead time. I agree,

1:13:16

it's like it's ten days to write eight

1:13:19

minutes, right, and maybe

1:13:21

come up with like two three quick

1:13:24

little bits interstitially throughout

1:13:26

the show, whether that's something

1:13:29

in the audience, something on stage, something

1:13:31

outside of whatever. Right, there's a lot

1:13:33

of latitude there. You were well resourced

1:13:35

to. Like the reason I went

1:13:38

was because it was it was my first season

1:13:40

working at SNL, and like there was

1:13:43

this sort of I

1:13:45

think Sandra wanted some Asian writer. So I

1:13:47

went, Karen, she went, and Sudi

1:13:49

and Fran had written for her. I'm just it's

1:13:51

an honor to be Asian. Thing at the Emmys

1:13:54

that summer, so like they were

1:13:56

able to have their pick of who

1:13:59

was right for them. I

1:14:01

would imagine Joe Koy had the same

1:14:04

latitude. So all

1:14:07

that being said, I agree with you. I

1:14:09

think it's just to matter though, of

1:14:13

this guy not being embedded

1:14:16

in that room. Right, it's

1:14:18

everyone being like, who is this guy? He's

1:14:21

not one of us? And then you put that

1:14:23

together with the jokes being what

1:14:26

they were.

1:14:27

They were rough and also one of the lamer

1:14:30

jokes of it in that it wasn't even a hard

1:14:32

joke but got a lot of pick up for no reason.

1:14:34

Was this Taylor Swift thing this?

1:14:36

Right?

1:14:36

First of all, there's not a more innocuous

1:14:39

joke than one difference between the Golden

1:14:41

Globes and the football whatever is

1:14:44

that there's left cuts to Taylor Swift first

1:14:46

of all. Then they cut to her. She didn't look pissed.

1:14:48

She was just playing along, like looking

1:14:50

pissed and taking a sip of her champagne. I

1:14:53

don't think there's anything negative about that. That she acted.

1:14:56

I just thought, like there's a fervor

1:14:58

around that joke because of her

1:15:00

fan base, because of her what it is? Yeah,

1:15:03

yeah, that was. That was like a perfectly

1:15:05

whatever, middle of the road like five of

1:15:07

a joke at that show. There were some

1:15:10

truly heinous jokes

1:15:12

at that show, which I think is exactly

1:15:15

what you're saying, the root of

1:15:17

it being he doesn't fucking care

1:15:19

about this opportunity. I would doubt

1:15:21

that he watches these movies.

1:15:23

I have to be told, Ali

1:15:25

Wong had to tell him, Like they were

1:15:27

asking him, like what was the advice Like before the

1:15:29

show, they were like, what advice have your friends

1:15:31

given you? Your fellow comedians given you. He was like,

1:15:34

well, Ali Wong, my good

1:15:36

friend told me to watch

1:15:38

all the movies. Yeah, which I

1:15:40

don't think made a difference

1:15:43

at all. Like I don't think like you could

1:15:45

tell that he had even his whole

1:15:47

thing if I didn't have a New Year's I was watching all these movies

1:15:49

while everyone else is stringing champagne. It's like, well, none

1:15:52

of that showed.

1:15:53

That wasn't I mean, you didn't. That wasn't. None

1:15:55

of that was in the Like

1:15:57

you made a joke about Barbie's Boobies. Why

1:15:59

did you watch all the movies that you should have had a New Year's.

1:16:02

It's like your writers are going to watch all these movies and write

1:16:05

jokes about that. I don't quite know who these

1:16:08

people ended up being. I don't

1:16:10

know if it's anyone that we know, which is neither here nor

1:16:12

there. I just think it's complicated

1:16:14

because it's just like a perfect

1:16:16

shit storm of stuff, like he blames them, he

1:16:19

panics. It's like it's every bad,

1:16:21

rough, worst case scenario thing transpired.

1:16:24

What's sad to me is

1:16:26

that this is like pulling

1:16:29

in all these conversations about is there a need for a

1:16:31

host? It kind of feeds into

1:16:33

this larger cultural conversation that we're all having about

1:16:37

or not that we're all having that they're all that's in the back of

1:16:39

our minds about comedy and about

1:16:41

how like if hard comedy has

1:16:43

a place anywhere, Because if hard comedy

1:16:46

has no place at award shows, if

1:16:48

like someone can't go up there and open the show with like

1:16:50

jokes about the movies and about the people there, then

1:16:53

like where does it belong? Where does

1:16:55

it exist? Like it's harder and harder to get

1:16:57

movies made about that are hard comedies

1:17:00

and TV shows to be categorized or even

1:17:02

like exists as that like there is

1:17:04

nowhere to go anymore for comedians.

1:17:07

It's really sad to me that this is like a

1:17:09

sidebar conversation that we're having in the

1:17:11

wake of it.

1:17:12

Look, I think that here's the thing

1:17:15

that we have to remember, is that there actually

1:17:17

have been great performances. Yes

1:17:20

of hosting these shows. It gets

1:17:22

lost, but the year of Regina

1:17:25

Hall, Wanda Sykes and Amy Schumer, that year

1:17:27

of the Slap, they did a great job hosting

1:17:29

the show. They literally this last

1:17:32

weekend Chelsea Handler say

1:17:34

what you want. She was the

1:17:36

type of person who should be hosting a show

1:17:38

like the Critics' Choice Awards.

1:17:40

You know what did amazing last

1:17:42

week at the Governor's Thing.

1:17:44

Right and Anthony Anderson last night, like

1:17:46

I didn't love the Turning Bitch Charming

1:17:49

perfectly Charming had like a

1:17:51

place there, kept the pace, like

1:17:54

got the vibes to be at a certain place,

1:17:56

like where it felt good, joke

1:18:00

away coming in, like it was a specific

1:18:02

vibe that he felt uncomfortable,

1:18:05

didn't want to be there, and was just

1:18:08

badly advised about how to set up

1:18:10

his bit, because at least the party

1:18:12

that I was at, like people just got

1:18:14

up and walked away because it was too uncomfortable.

1:18:17

So in it was it was, it

1:18:19

was hard to watch, but then it got

1:18:22

worse when he spun out and blames it on all these things.

1:18:24

But to say that a comedian can't host

1:18:26

this show, like that's just

1:18:28

not true. I mean, we see it happen all the time.

1:18:31

It's just that that job sometimes feels

1:18:33

no win because when people do

1:18:35

do an amazing job, it's not the story.

1:18:38

Right, When people do a bad job, it's

1:18:40

the story. And I don't mean to like help

1:18:42

that narrative. I guess I just feel

1:18:45

like it's a cop out to

1:18:47

say that you didn't have enough time or

1:18:49

that the writers didn't serve you, because

1:18:53

I'm sorry, but I don't buy that as

1:18:55

a comedian, like and other people that

1:18:57

I talked to, like ten days would

1:19:00

be more than enough time, if

1:19:02

you even wanted to be there with

1:19:04

fifty percent of your being, it would

1:19:07

be more than enough time. What else

1:19:09

do you have to do on the schedule that's more important

1:19:12

than like an internationally

1:19:15

watched television show where

1:19:17

your job is to just for five

1:19:20

to eight minutes or whatever it is, just

1:19:23

set a good tone and make jokes. Yeah. Yeah,

1:19:26

that's the part of it. I didn't like, is this this idea

1:19:29

of this narrative being built that like that

1:19:31

wasn't enough time, Like I'm sorry, but give me

1:19:33

a break.

1:19:34

Well yeah, and I'm here to say that, like we

1:19:36

had less time the year

1:19:38

that Andy and Sandra hosted, and that's what.

1:19:40

I wanted to ask.

1:19:41

Yeah, yeah, so.

1:19:43

There you go.

1:19:43

Joekoy though, I mean

1:19:48

perfectly respectable,

1:19:50

serviceable comedian. That sounds so fucking

1:19:53

shady of me to say, but like a

1:19:55

solid successful comedian.

1:19:57

Like no, he's great. I mean, like it just that just

1:19:59

wasn't his venue.

1:20:00

It just wasn't the venue. And Joe

1:20:03

Koi though, if you were, if you want

1:20:05

to see more of him, he plays my Little Henchman and the

1:20:07

Monkey King on that, and.

1:20:11

I bet he's great in that because I'm sure he wanted

1:20:13

to. I'm sure he wants to be in the booth, you

1:20:15

know what I mean, Like, I know, I guess

1:20:18

my thing is just like there's so many people that would want

1:20:20

that job. I know, like

1:20:22

that would do an amazing job

1:20:24

at that, Like that would treat it like an opportunity

1:20:26

because I don't know, like,

1:20:29

I don't think that audience wants

1:20:31

to hate the host. I just don't like

1:20:34

that audience wants to have a good time. That

1:20:36

audience has a sense of humor about itself,

1:20:38

like and if they don't like and the

1:20:40

joke is good enough, then whatever I

1:20:43

mean, like part of yeah, it is what it is

1:20:46

part of.

1:20:46

The reason why people go to

1:20:49

those award shows. People watch award

1:20:51

shows. It look, look, the words

1:20:53

thankless job had been thrown around so much since

1:20:56

those Golden Globes that I'm like questioning

1:20:58

whether or not that's even true. And I'm starting to think

1:21:00

maybe it's not because people go to those shows

1:21:03

and watch those shows because

1:21:05

it's giving Hollywood, you

1:21:07

know what I mean, And like right, someone

1:21:10

coming out and like doing

1:21:12

the hosting thing is like a

1:21:14

huge part of it. There is Like I

1:21:17

just remember growing up and watching Billy

1:21:19

Crystal would be being like it

1:21:22

was the reason I watched. Half

1:21:24

the reason I watched was just to see what like Billy

1:21:27

Crystal would do. And then when Woopy came down from the fucking

1:21:29

ceiling of the Kodak Theater, being like

1:21:31

I am the sexy Beast. I was like, this is

1:21:34

blowing my mind, Like there

1:21:36

is a way not to be all nostalgia pilled

1:21:38

about this, but like and not to be all

1:21:41

like make blank great again. But

1:21:43

it's like this, there is this way

1:21:45

back to that. I'm so sure

1:21:47

of it. It really bums me out

1:21:49

now that we talk about this that, like I

1:21:52

think it's another cop out to be like get rid of hosts

1:21:55

entirely. No no, no, no, no, no, no, please let's

1:21:57

not. Let's please not. This is actually

1:21:59

a secret place for comedians to like

1:22:02

try new things, break out. It's it is

1:22:05

like, for lack of the better term, a

1:22:07

captive audience for comedians right

1:22:09

in a way that like we don't get other places.

1:22:12

I also think, like there is absolutely

1:22:15

a world where you make a good

1:22:17

joke about Taylor Swift and her

1:22:19

fans actually like it, you know what I mean,

1:22:22

Like maybe you have to be more intentional about

1:22:24

what that joke is. Okay, so

1:22:26

what like she's far and away one of

1:22:28

the biggest stars in that room, Like she's

1:22:31

there, you're gonna have to make a joke about it. I

1:22:33

honestly think the reason why that totally

1:22:36

innocuous joke hit the way it

1:22:38

did is because the vibes had

1:22:40

been so rancid in the lead up to that

1:22:42

joke. He had already been flopping.

1:22:45

I think there was no coming back from

1:22:47

that Barbie joke, right. That

1:22:49

cut to Greta in the audience after that Barbie

1:22:52

joke, I know she's being a good sport about it

1:22:54

now and being like, yeah, it didn't bother me. That

1:22:56

was not a good vibe

1:22:58

at all. That was

1:23:01

really really rough.

1:23:03

It was not for nothing of golden globes. That had

1:23:05

moments and like between the Joe

1:23:07

thing, it kept the conversation going about the whole award

1:23:10

show, the whole Selena whispering, like

1:23:12

the mouthwats like the

1:23:14

tailor of it all, the Timmy and Kylie

1:23:17

of it all, Timmy and like Io

1:23:19

winning her award, like Ali

1:23:22

and Wong and Bill Hatter kissing. I'm like, there were just

1:23:24

it gave us moments and I was like, this is what a

1:23:26

word show should be, except for the

1:23:28

host bombing. That's the only note

1:23:30

I have.

1:23:31

But you know what, even that is kind of a Tell's oldest

1:23:33

time, you know what I mean, Like we remember, like we

1:23:35

remember famously David Letterman

1:23:37

hosted the Oscars and it was one of the worst,

1:23:40

Yeah, hosting performances of all time. It didn't

1:23:42

hurt him in the long run. I think it was just like

1:23:45

a hazard of the trade. Sometimes when you host

1:23:47

these things, you're gonna bomb. I

1:23:49

guess it's just like, if you're gonna bomb,

1:23:52

don't also show us the seams

1:23:55

like that. It's not even fun like in

1:23:57

real time right, Like it was

1:23:59

just it's like to blame the especially

1:24:02

after everything that we've been

1:24:04

through with the strikes, to be like the writers

1:24:06

flopped and you

1:24:08

know what, no one's perfect. And again

1:24:10

like I'm not like saying, like Joe

1:24:13

Coy's a bad comedian. He was the wrong person

1:24:15

for this job. And if you know that's

1:24:18

true, and if you know it's not something

1:24:20

you're gonna do, well, don't say yes

1:24:22

to it. Yeah, I don't think it helped

1:24:25

anyone, like by saying

1:24:27

yes to something. And maybe it got

1:24:29

in his head too that everyone else had passed and he wasn't

1:24:31

the first choice at that point. It's

1:24:33

like make your decision then based on that feeling.

1:24:36

But there's even a way around the I'm

1:24:39

not like you element

1:24:41

to it, like who is this guy? He's

1:24:43

not one of us, Like the way that Tina Amy and Ricky Dervais

1:24:46

all were in their own way

1:24:48

successful, and with Ricky, I'm like, I don't

1:24:50

quite know about that. Is that like

1:24:52

they felt like they were like ingratiated into

1:24:54

that space, right. Mulaney did

1:24:56

the best thing at his Oscars

1:24:59

thing where he was like, I'm

1:25:01

just like one of you. Let me read an

1:25:03

email like a casting email, and it was a

1:25:06

great play into a great joke.

1:25:08

I was like, that's how you do it, is that

1:25:10

you like make a joke about how you aren't one

1:25:13

of them, and then that kind of like

1:25:16

dusts off that shelf and then you get to like put whatever

1:25:18

you want on it, you know what I mean? Would you

1:25:20

ever want to host the Golden Globes? Not the Globes?

1:25:23

Maybe no award show? And actually I don't know. It

1:25:26

seems like the culture needs to get into

1:25:28

a better place first, Like the culture is bad

1:25:30

right now, because like award shows are

1:25:32

bad because the culture is bad. And I know that's

1:25:34

a cop out answer, but it's like that's my answer for so many

1:25:36

things.

1:25:37

Anyway, I.

1:25:40

Would only do it with you.

1:25:41

I know, we would crush because you would

1:25:43

have fun with it because this is what we talk about all year.

1:25:46

Also, like you just have to have fun, just

1:25:48

have fun with it, and then they have fun. I

1:25:50

don't know, maybe it's just simplistic of me to boil

1:25:53

it down to that, but like there's got to be a sense

1:25:55

of fun and like, you know, sense of wanting

1:25:57

to be there. If you have fun and you want

1:25:59

to be there, they'll have fun and they'll want

1:26:01

to be there. What Joe.

1:26:04

Not to note this to death, but like people

1:26:07

kind of got on Joe's about like him

1:26:09

doing a mom impression because that's kind of what he does a

1:26:11

lot in his stand up.

1:26:12

M M.

1:26:13

I think you should have leaned into that more because that's clearly

1:26:15

his comfort zone. That's him having fun on stage.

1:26:18

Like do that, like do like a whole

1:26:20

bit about your mom, talking about all the nominees make me a

1:26:22

whole fucking two to three minutes exactly exactly.

1:26:25

And even if that bid hadn't like placed

1:26:27

him in the greatest host of all time category,

1:26:30

he wasn't gonna be that anyway, because

1:26:32

he doesn't. He's not really the

1:26:34

right person for that job. So do something

1:26:37

that's gonna be fun and reliable, and

1:26:39

you're good at and just get off the stage.

1:26:41

Your job as the host is the ViBe's

1:26:43

curator. Yeah, like, leave

1:26:46

with good vibes, make everyone have a good

1:26:48

time. Don't be yelling about the writers. What

1:26:52

did you expect the reaction was gonna be from Greta

1:26:54

Gerwig about Barbie big boobies. Did you think

1:26:56

she's gonna be laughing and cackling

1:26:59

that everyone in that room was gonna be like hilarious

1:27:01

Booby's joke about Barbie, Like

1:27:03

this isn't a fucking middle school talent show with

1:27:06

all boys in the audience, Like it's the Golden

1:27:08

Globes. What did you think? Yeah,

1:27:20

so, Bowe Yang, this is

1:27:22

your I don't think so, honey. Are you ready to absolutely

1:27:25

tear and pop?

1:27:26

Yeah?

1:27:27

Yeah, okay, boone

1:27:29

Yang, this is your I don't think so, honey. Your time starts now.

1:27:31

I don't think so, honey.

1:27:33

For me, personally, gratitude, I'm

1:27:35

done with gratitude. It's time to shift

1:27:37

into full ambition. In the words

1:27:39

of Ashley Oh, I'm stoked

1:27:42

on ambition and verb.

1:27:45

I'm gonna get what I deserve. So

1:27:48

full of ambition and verb, I'm gonna

1:27:50

get what I deserve.

1:27:51

This is my thing.

1:27:51

I made a whole playlist yesterday. I was like, I've been

1:27:54

wallowing in gratitude, and I'm not wallowing, but

1:27:56

I've been in gratitude for so long that I'm like, it's

1:27:58

time to get out of the pool and

1:28:00

actually reach for the stars, because

1:28:03

it's time. Nasty nationalist amy

1:28:05

acceptance speech lit a fire under

1:28:07

my ass.

1:28:08

Period.

1:28:08

You need to believe in yourself. In her press room

1:28:10

speech, she said, that's why it's called

1:28:13

self esteem, not Mama esteem,

1:28:15

not them esteem fifteen seconds

1:28:17

because nobody have to believe

1:28:19

in it but you, and that is

1:28:21

part of ambition. There is nothing wrong

1:28:23

with being ambitious. It is time

1:28:26

for us to scale new heights as

1:28:28

a culture, as individuals, but

1:28:30

collectively we are all getting out

1:28:32

of gratitude for the current circumstances and reaching

1:28:35

for something better.

1:28:36

There you go, that's one minute. My

1:28:38

sister is galvanized in the Year of Our Lord

1:28:40

twenty twenty four. Oh my god,

1:28:43

the way this is the year? Really,

1:28:46

if we're talking about vibes curation today

1:28:49

Wednesday, January seventeenth, the vibes

1:28:51

are fucking good.

1:28:53

This is Can we say now that we've

1:28:55

introduced the goblet of years

1:28:57

twenty twenty four is year

1:29:00

of years.

1:29:02

Whoa twenty

1:29:04

twenty four is the year of years.

1:29:06

That's the title of app. Twenty

1:29:09

four is the year of years. And

1:29:11

you know what, we have to

1:29:15

We have to put good vibes out there, okay,

1:29:18

because there are forces of evil

1:29:21

bowen all around. There

1:29:24

are forces of evil that are going to try to make traders

1:29:27

among us. There are traders among us,

1:29:29

I'm serious. And there are forces that are

1:29:31

going to try to make this year twenty twenty four a

1:29:34

bad year in retrospect. And

1:29:36

we have to fight that with

1:29:39

all of our might.

1:29:42

We have to. And it

1:29:45

starts here, Okay,

1:29:48

it starts.

1:29:48

Here recording this from the Iowa

1:29:51

Caucus.

1:29:53

We are in the cold.

1:29:54

We have to fight.

1:29:55

Yes, we are never to go to wins.

1:29:58

Yeah, we've never even We

1:30:01

are at Nikki Haley HQ.

1:30:03

Trying to figure out what's next.

1:30:05

We are trying to strategize. Honey girl,

1:30:09

can I say before we go, you know what I've

1:30:11

started doing this week?

1:30:12

Berries?

1:30:13

Oh my god, I'm so excited

1:30:15

for you.

1:30:16

What are your thoughts? My thoughts are let's

1:30:18

get treaded. It's gonna be three times a week at

1:30:20

Barries for me. And let's try hard. You're

1:30:23

jealous? Why are you jealous? That can be you?

1:30:26

It literally can't. When I when I'm at work, there's

1:30:28

just no I can do. I can put in once a week, but not

1:30:30

three, and I need three.

1:30:32

You couldn't do Monday. I could

1:30:34

do Monday.

1:30:35

I could do Tuesday if I I

1:30:37

was gonna do Tuesday with just going

1:30:39

to the gym. And then I couldn't because we had because

1:30:41

we decided to move with you recording from Monday night to we

1:30:44

did Tuesday morning because we were like, we have to talk about

1:30:46

the Emmys. We wanted to just scoot and I have

1:30:48

no regrets. But then the rest of the week is kind

1:30:50

of kind of a bust. And then Sunday, I'm Cataitania.

1:30:55

It's the best thing you can do at that point is just rest.

1:30:58

I'm so excited you're doing berries. Can I

1:31:00

say, what's worked wonders for me already?

1:31:02

Yes?

1:31:03

And I hate that I'm this person now

1:31:05

and it's only gonna last like two weeks tops.

1:31:08

I have meal prepped, protein rich

1:31:10

foods, protein rich meals. I love

1:31:13

it and it's working for me

1:31:15

right now for my lifestyle because I am just like I

1:31:17

don't.

1:31:17

Care what I'm meaning.

1:31:18

Really, I have the decision fatigue down.

1:31:21

Let me just pop this chicken and broccoli sturfry

1:31:24

with brown rice that I made on Sunday night

1:31:26

in a huge walk. Let me put that in the microwave.

1:31:29

And I'm eating protein

1:31:31

at least thirty grams per meal, and

1:31:35

I'm eating the Quest protein rich cookies.

1:31:38

I'm eating these protein rich things because

1:31:40

I'm like trying to what tell my body

1:31:42

to burn the fat instead of the protein. That's awesome

1:31:45

week, and it's.

1:31:45

Already looking healthy choices,

1:31:48

healthy life, healthy queen.

1:31:50

Healthy wife, healthy wife,

1:31:53

happy life, Tree, crimas

1:31:55

Tree, Tree pain.

1:31:57

Well should we tell everyone? So

1:32:00

A while ago I said to Bowen, as

1:32:02

I want to do, I gave him a new name. I said,

1:32:04

hey, Christmas Jones, which is Denis

1:32:07

Richards is the name of the James Bond films. And

1:32:09

then Bowen goes turns to me and he points to me and

1:32:11

he raises his eyebrow and he goes, Christmas

1:32:14

Tree. I think

1:32:18

you told me, girl, Christmas.

1:32:21

Tree, Christmas Jones, Christmas

1:32:24

Tree.

1:32:27

Well, I was just like, wow,

1:32:29

you're so right about that one. Yeah,

1:32:32

I have Hey Christmas Jones Christmas

1:32:34

Tree Tree.

1:32:35

I think he even repeated, I think you said,

1:32:38

hey, Christmas Jones, and I repeated, I said, Christmas

1:32:40

Jones.

1:32:40

Jones, Christmas Tree Tree,

1:32:45

I said, let me sit

1:32:47

back. Wow.

1:32:50

What a thrilling episode

1:32:52

this has been. It's the beginning of the year. It's the beginning of

1:32:54

a new era of the year of years,

1:32:57

of the year of years, and twenty twenty four is

1:32:59

the year of years. And that's how we're setting the tone.

1:33:02

I'm very excited and thanks for joining us

1:33:04

on this journey.

1:33:05

Thank you so much. And before we do, ads,

1:33:08

we're gonna end this episode with the song.

1:33:11

Yeah Chess

1:33:22

fun Food.

1:33:27

It's almost like you're a baby bird sing it food.

1:33:38

I love my girls. Falsetto vibrato

1:33:41

Italian.

1:33:44

I have a sot throat. Bye.