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2:00

Hello and welcome

2:03

to the last word on

2:06

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2:08

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2:26

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2:28

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2:30

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2:32

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I'd like to be joining me again

2:43

on this last word on Spurs, a very good friend

2:45

of mine who looked, I think, bearing in mind the

2:47

last couple of times we've done this, these shows have

2:49

gone down really, really well and I

2:51

know everyone needs an uplift in the Spurs

2:53

community at the moment given that result against

2:55

Fulham. It gives me the pleasure to welcome

2:57

back two last word on Spurs,

2:59

the wonderful John Wynnum over at Lillie

3:02

White Rose, a massive emphasis on the

3:04

youth of today, tomorrow and the future.

3:06

John, hello my man, lovely to be back on with us.

3:08

Hi, it's been a

3:11

little while and the

3:13

first team have let us down a little bit last

3:15

week so hopefully we can pick things up with the

3:17

youth and the players out on loan and show to

3:19

a brighter future for Tottenham Hotspur. Absolutely

3:21

mate, nice chance to slightly

3:23

get away from them John, even though I'm pretty going to ask you

3:25

until the end of the show what you make of them? Yeah

3:28

look, I mean the Fulham result was disappointing

3:30

but we still have to look at the

3:33

bigger picture that we are in

3:35

fifth. I don't think many predict us to be in that position at

3:37

the start of the season in light

3:39

of the rebuild, in light of a brand new manager, in

3:42

light of Lucy and our great stellar player. So

3:44

I think we will still comfortably end

3:46

the season with Champions League football and

3:48

it's where we go from that. Can we continue

3:50

to strengthen and can we push on and challenge

3:52

for a trophy next year or higher up the

3:55

table? Absolutely, we're going to come on

3:57

to them a bit later on if we have time and just

3:59

give running order in terms of what

4:01

we're going to cover during this episode with John, who

4:03

we'd like to have him back on once again, like

4:05

I say. I mean, I've got to say, the feedback

4:07

we've had when we brought John on, and in general

4:09

from the old days, John has been obviously a massive

4:11

part of the start-up of last week on Spurs. Obviously,

4:13

these days, it's more difficult around for both his family

4:15

and work life as well. But in terms of what

4:17

we're going to cover for this show, we'll give a

4:20

bit of a delve into where the under 21s, the

4:22

under 18s are at. Since

4:24

myself and John, we touch base, there's been a

4:26

number of the youth players that have signed professional

4:28

contracts with the football club. So we'll be

4:30

discussing that. We'll be doing a general

4:32

lone round-up so you guys understand where

4:34

we are in relation to those players

4:37

that are still very much part of

4:39

Spurs' future, and the hopes of course

4:41

going into next season in relation to

4:43

where those players go next. John will

4:45

be telling us the players to watch

4:47

out for ahead of next season, and

4:49

potential breakthrough stars on the

4:51

map. Well, listen John, we had a

4:53

whole host of questions come in

4:56

that I'll be providing as we go

4:58

through the show. But I thought this

5:00

was a nice one to start because

5:02

look, you spend a huge amount of

5:04

your time dedicated to the youth

5:07

of Tottenham, and that's where again your

5:09

amazing brand has grown from. And take

5:12

from this what you can in terms of this

5:14

username, Martiniolshinyhead, he's

5:16

got no hair 86.

5:19

He asked the question, a nice

5:21

one to Adrian here John, why do we

5:23

hype up our youngsters and then they don't get an

5:25

opportunity? Why do we not promote

5:28

them for a decent enough game time, but

5:30

other clubs around us do? So a nice

5:32

easy one there John to Adrian my man.

5:35

Yeah, I think this year has been a different

5:37

scenario. Obviously look, we've had really limited game time.

5:39

It's really unlucky to go out with the Cup,

5:42

basically the first opportunity in both competitions.

5:45

Really unlucky in the second round of the Caravo

5:47

Cup to get full from

5:50

home. You know, we could

5:52

have had many other easy opportunities like a home

5:54

tie and that could have been a chance to

5:56

bring in some players. Obviously the lack of game

5:58

time, the lack of external competitions, any European football

6:00

has really limited the opportunity for some of these

6:02

young players to come in, make

6:04

a name for themselves and kind of make

6:06

themselves undroppable for Ange and the squad moving

6:09

forward. So I just think we've been

6:11

a little bit unlucky and you know, it's interesting. I

6:13

think that whilst I think we'll finish

6:15

in a Champions League spot, I certainly think

6:17

in terms of youth development, there's an argument

6:19

that were we to finish in

6:21

Europa League, for example, or the Europa Conference

6:23

League, which I don't think we will, but

6:26

I think there will be more opportunities for younger

6:28

players to break in, to have that opportunity to

6:30

play in front of a packed stadium, for lots

6:32

of fans to learn who these players were and

6:34

for the managers to see how these players are,

6:36

you know, when performing with other first team players.

6:38

So I just think whilst we've had the lack of

6:41

game time this season, there's been lack

6:43

of opportunities. But as you said,

6:45

you do look around the Premier League and see

6:47

the likes of Miley at Newcastle at 17 in

6:49

a starting weekend, we count on looking very good.

6:51

But Eddie Howe's a little bit further along in

6:53

his journey than obviously Angie's at Tottenham. So

6:56

I think we will see more youth in the

6:59

coming seasons. I don't think we'll see too many

7:01

this season, if I'm being honest, because we

7:03

haven't got that many games and I think the whole focus

7:05

will be on the first team. And we've had a few

7:08

players now return from injury. So even since January, we've

7:10

seen the likes of Jamie Donnelly, you know, no longer appearing

7:12

on the first team bench and coming on with

7:14

the return of or the signing team, O'Verna

7:17

and the return of Hooman Son from Asia

7:19

Cup duties. So I just think opportunities have

7:21

been limited. But I think looking

7:23

ahead to next season and how we can improve

7:25

this moving forward. Well, I think

7:27

one, arranging strategic loans, so

7:30

getting people out on loan after a pre-season so they

7:33

can, you know, establish themselves and hit the ground running

7:35

at their club straight away. And I think if we're

7:37

in the Champions League, that will be a good opportunity.

7:39

But also if we're in the Champions League, we'll also

7:41

be back in the Youth Champions League. And

7:43

that guarantees a certain number of high quality

7:45

games for our younger players to be involved

7:47

in competitions. And there's only last year when

7:49

we were in that competition, we saw the

7:51

likes of Mikey Moore and Kalamala Seste as

7:53

15 year olds playing in that tournament, which

7:56

is under a 19th tournament. Amazing exposure and

7:58

really brings you up the levels. Yeah,

8:01

I think we'll just be, depending

8:03

on where we finish this season and what competition

8:05

we can offer next year, whether

8:07

more opportunities will be available, as well as hopefully

8:09

some favourable cup draws. If we can get a

8:11

home in an early round for Cabo Cup and

8:13

the FA Cup, that could be a really good

8:15

chance for whoever's knocking on the door at that

8:17

time to stay to claim for themselves. Yeah,

8:20

it's amazing, Jonathan, that you have to remind ourselves that

8:22

this is the shortest season Spurs have had, I think,

8:25

on me for the last 10, 12

8:27

years. I mean, was it a 41 game

8:29

thing? I mean, I'm going back to maybe

8:32

2005? I'm thinking about a year we went

8:34

out to Grimsby at the first

8:36

positive opportunity. I was about 14, I

8:38

remember crying listening to it on the

8:40

radio. That was a long time ago,

8:42

mate. So, yeah, it was that year. Long

8:45

old time. Good to know we're keeping it upbeat, Jon.

8:47

Yeah, yeah, you know. It's

8:50

only Spurs, it can only be Spurs. A nice

8:52

other question we've had coming here, which is one

8:54

I think it would be good for you to

8:56

answer. Spiggy, long-term listener of you on the show,

8:58

asked, Jon, at what point is the

9:01

home-grown quota a concern for the senior

9:03

squad attended with lower age groups, if

9:05

at all? Yeah,

9:08

so I understand the question. It's basically, are

9:10

we now at the stage where we're developing

9:12

enough good young players of our own that

9:14

in future years we won't have any issues

9:16

of home-grown quota

9:19

or restrictions? So basically, in short for listeners, and

9:21

I'm sure you've all heard this before, but just for

9:23

clarity, you have to name in

9:25

your Premier League squad eight home-grown players. And

9:27

they can be from anyone's academy within

9:30

England and now Wales from the ages

9:32

of 15 to 18, after we've done

9:34

three consecutive years. So

9:37

for the Premier League, what we normally find,

9:39

because even the likes of Fraser Forster, Ben

9:41

Davies, next year, Pape Saar, you

9:44

know, Madison Johnson, Sessin Yom, if he's going to

9:47

be there or not. So we'll be there, we'll

9:49

find those numbers, Oliver Skip. But

9:51

it's in Europe where you have the difficulty. Now in

9:53

Europe, you have to have amongst those eight, four

9:56

of them have to be what's called club-trained players.

9:58

Now they're players that have trained against exclusively

10:00

at your club. So

10:02

this is where Tottenham had the issue. Where they

10:05

always had Harry Kane, it was always fairly straightforward

10:07

because we had someone that not only was a

10:09

well-class striker, but he counted as club trained and

10:11

home grown. But now we have a

10:13

slight issue and that's why I put in a tweet

10:15

a couple of months ago that I'm almost certain Oliver

10:17

Skip will stay at the club this summer. And

10:20

I'm not saying he's gonna start every game and I just think he'll be

10:22

a useful squad member as he is now. But

10:24

he's incredibly valuable because if you can't

10:26

name the four club trained

10:28

players in your squad, then you

10:30

can't name the maximum of 17 foreign

10:32

players. You have to reduce the number of

10:34

foreign players in your squad. Which

10:36

is obviously difficult and in previous years I remember we had

10:39

to leave out the likes of one fourth, Brian

10:42

Hill I think was left out once. It's

10:44

just a situation you don't wanna be in as a manager,

10:46

you know, turning around, getting back into the Champions League and

10:48

then having to say to somebody, oh no,

10:50

we're gonna put you out, you know? And

10:53

you can't play in this competition. So yeah, I

10:55

think in years to come we will be absolutely set with

10:57

that. With the great crop we've got coming through now. But

11:01

I think in the summer you could also see some

11:03

interesting moves in the transfer market from Tottenham to

11:05

circumvent this issue. I could see

11:07

a potential move for Karl Walker Peters beyond

11:10

the cards because he counts as

11:12

having come through the academy at Tottenham, can cover

11:15

both left back and right back. Home

11:17

grown, 12 months left on his deal at

11:19

Southampton, full England International. Now I'm not saying

11:21

he comes in and starts every game, but

11:23

has a backup option on two wins and

11:25

he counts and allows you to name a

11:27

full post for 17 foreign players. It's incredibly

11:29

helpful. So I think

11:31

he's one to keep an eye on. But I do think

11:34

in years to come we will be better set with this

11:36

with the likes of Jamie Donnelly, Alfie Devine, Alfie

11:39

Dorenton, Luca Gunza. You know,

11:41

there's many in the squad that we hope Tyree

11:43

Hall that go on and develop and become mainstays

11:45

in the side and we can have a real

11:47

crop and core of home grown players. But

11:49

we've seen even with the recruitment of first

11:51

team players now, this start to yield success

11:53

with Paps R for example, next year counting

11:55

as home grown. And you

11:58

know, some people, this will blow their mind but the whole time. we

12:00

had Eric Dyer, captain's England before,

12:02

born in Cheltenham, didn't count

12:04

as home grown, took up one of your foreign

12:06

player spaces because he came through the academy at

12:08

sporting Lisbon, whereas paps are because he

12:10

will have been at Tottenham now from the age of 18 through to

12:13

21, having done three

12:15

consecutive years, will count as home grown moving

12:17

forward. That is interesting

12:19

that, just because John, there'll be, I

12:21

mean, many, I'm sorry, they'll be screaming at

12:24

their phone or screaming at their TV, you

12:26

mentioned about Oliver Skip there, and

12:28

I mean, many will look to hope that Skippy does

12:30

break through to the first team, many will feel that

12:32

maybe he isn't good enough. Is there an argument, John,

12:34

that transfers go out and

12:37

essentially replace Skip with a home grown player,

12:39

such as, I believe, Conor Gallagher would count,

12:41

and therefore they can allow Skippy to move

12:43

on from the football club if they're looking

12:45

to upgrade that position if you see one

12:47

coming from? For the home

12:49

grown rules, for the Premier League, yes, they could, but

12:51

they could not do it for the European rules. The

12:53

European rules are very stringent, that you must have four

12:55

that come from within your own academy, so

12:58

that's why it doesn't, and that's why when

13:00

people ask me, oh, Alfie Whiteman and Brandon

13:02

Austin, they're still at the club, they're still

13:04

at the club because one, you know, Premier

13:07

League football at Tottenham is an amazing opportunity that

13:09

we'd all kill for, but they count as club

13:11

training, so they take up 50% of those spots,

13:13

they take up two of the four spots in

13:16

the squad that allow you to name the maximum

13:18

of 17 foreign players, and I know this is

13:20

incredibly confusing, listening to them, and Rick as well

13:22

can see your face, but yeah, you need four

13:24

that have come through your academy basically that are

13:27

over the age between 18 and 21, having done

13:30

the three years, so that's

13:32

why Whiteman and Austin count, skip

13:34

counts, and the fourth one is where

13:37

we're going to have the question, because previously we had

13:39

the likes of Harry Kane, Jaffet Tanganga, Harry Winx, they're

13:41

all gone, so

13:43

now you look at other options, that's why I mentioned

13:46

Carl Walker pizzas, but also you could look at Troy

13:48

Parrott is now of the right age and has done

13:50

the amount of time, he would also count as club

13:52

trained from Tottenham, so whether or not he comes

13:54

back into the mix over pre-season and

13:56

gets an opportunity to stake his claim. It's

14:00

possible. John, I'll

14:02

go to it. It's absolutely fascinating stuff, but I

14:04

think it's funny because I see a lot of

14:06

different people come back at you on your account

14:09

when you tweet the likes of an Alfie Whiteman

14:11

and suggest why is this guy just actually at

14:13

Tottenham? What's he doing picking up a waste there?

14:15

I think it's important that we make the point.

14:17

Some players are actually quite happy to just be

14:20

part of Tottenham in the get-up because it's a

14:22

dream, right? I mean, as a fan, unbelievable, right?

14:24

Yeah, look, Alfie Whiteman, you couldn't find anyone more

14:26

Tottenham than him. He grew up, he went to

14:29

Northumberland Park School. He grew up in the area

14:31

of Tottenham. He's a thigh-hard

14:33

fan and loads of managers and I've heard things from

14:35

coaches at Tottenham and scouts and stuff, but they all

14:37

say he's a really great guy. He's a good trainer,

14:40

he never moans, he's there on time, he's punctual and

14:42

that takes you a long way in life. So, look,

14:45

I think he's only ever had, what, 30 minutes of

14:47

the sub in Europa League that Jose gave him. I

14:49

remember he'd come on for Joe Hart in a game.

14:51

Yeah, that he worked hard and for a Premier League

14:53

player, he'll be on incredibly low money.

14:55

Now, obviously high money for us guys, but

14:57

for a Premier League player, he's probably on

14:59

£2,000 a week, something like

15:03

that. It's eight random months, it's good money,

15:05

but for someone that has never

15:07

played a Premier League game and he's around

15:09

the squad, but as I said, he has

15:11

value for other reasons. So, as long

15:14

as he's happy to tell you I'm doing it, I think he's

15:16

got a year left on his deal. I know Brandon Austin's out

15:18

of contract this summer. Whether or not that

15:20

gets extended for the reasons I've set out, it's

15:22

possible. Yeah. Well, listen, it's

15:24

interesting. It looks like it may have anything to make

15:26

when it comes to the keeping situation. Obviously, Forster was

15:28

given a new contract recently, but given the way the

15:30

Cario is as a goalkeeper, you'd imagine we're going to

15:32

come onto this in terms of playing styles, whether the

15:34

club will look to have somebody as an

15:37

understudy of a similar frame to a Cario. But

15:39

look, we've had plenty of questions come in. We'll

15:41

dive into those. I'm conscious we've got to make

15:43

use of Jon's time as much as we can.

15:46

Jon, let's give our

15:48

attention towards the under 21s, under 18s.

15:50

Some really good news coming out in

15:52

terms of international call-ups, but I'm going to

15:54

let you steer the ship in the direction you

15:56

want when it comes to those players in those

15:59

relevant categories. on

16:02

since we last spoke. Now, they've had a

16:05

real change at the heart of the

16:07

defence since we last spoke. We've seen Brooklyn's lines

16:09

foster, leave the club on a permanent basis. We've

16:11

seen Ash Phillips head out on loan to

16:13

Plymouth. Really good loan actually, getting lots

16:15

of experience in the championship. And then

16:17

we had the same day, Alfie Dorington picked

16:19

up a six-week injury. So suddenly

16:22

you've gone from your two main centre

16:24

backs and you're holding Miskilda and or

16:26

centre back cover all being out the

16:28

picture. So, you know, there have

16:30

been some mixed results. They suffered their first defeat of

16:32

the season against Everton at home with

16:34

10 men on the pitch. You

16:37

know, but they've been trying out different things. They've

16:39

had a defensive midfielder in Brontë Casanova playing at

16:42

centre back. They've had George Abbott playing at centre

16:44

back who's naturally a central midfielder or a right

16:46

back. So they've really

16:48

had to chop and change. They still had some great results.

16:50

I was at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium for the 6-0 win

16:52

over Fleetwood, which was a fantastic

16:54

opportunity to see so many younger fans

16:56

there, you know, taking in the stadium, seeing those

16:59

next generation of players and the boys really delivered.

17:01

You know, I think on the day, Jeremy Donnelly

17:03

laid on four assists. Will

17:05

Lancsia grabbed a hat-trick, a basket hat-trick in

17:07

the stadium. So, yeah, it was just

17:09

a really good experience for the players. But,

17:11

yeah, looking at how the team's kind of laid up over

17:14

the last few weeks, what I said with those injuries, we've

17:16

seen the return of Luka Gunther in goal. Fantastic

17:19

young keeper. You know, he talks about Avakario

17:21

understudy. They've got really high regards of

17:23

Luka Gunther. I understand that the latest

17:26

England under-19 squad, they've basically taken the

17:28

second, third and fourth choice keepers to have a look

17:30

at and told Luka he is the first choice and

17:32

that's why he's not been called up, which is, you

17:34

know, a great thing to hear if you're a goalkeeper

17:36

and have not been selected in the England squad amongst

17:38

all your Tottenham peers that are in it. So

17:41

Luka Gunther looks a really good prospect. He's

17:43

been best in goal, made a massive save

17:45

in the win at Middlesbrough last weekend, 2-1

17:47

win. So do check that out

17:50

on the Spurs Academy page. They posted those saves really,

17:52

really top draw. The defence has been

17:54

lined up with, as I said, the likes of Bonta

17:56

Casanova, George Abbott, we've

17:59

seen Tyrell... across the pan up right back. The

18:01

midfield have had the likes of Niall John, who's been

18:04

amazed today. Now Niall John's a funny one because fans

18:06

will remember a couple of years ago it looked like

18:08

I think it was the Nuno preseason. He was really

18:10

involved and you know there's some talk he was going

18:12

to be pushing on. He has got a

18:14

contract for another year to run until 2025 but for

18:18

me I think it's probably time for Niall to

18:20

seek out a permanent move elsewhere. I feel

18:22

like sometimes you just need a change of scenery

18:24

to really you know develop and

18:26

come into your own as a player and I think

18:28

there's players underneath him now pushing to get that game

18:30

time and need that opening to develop themselves

18:32

you know the likes of Tyreese Hall, George

18:35

Abbott, Rio Carametan so that there are players

18:37

waiting to come into a midfield free and

18:40

I think Niall as well as Max Robson has been

18:42

playing a little bit in recent weeks. He's another one

18:44

he's got a year to go on his field but

18:46

probably time to see you know a move elsewhere and

18:49

then obviously the forward line has been

18:51

pretty standard throughout which

18:53

has been Yago Santiago, Alonso, Jude, Tsun

18:55

Sapp-Bell and the two wings that have

18:58

been really good all season. Both unlucky

19:00

really not to go out on loans in January but

19:03

I think they'll certainly go on loans next season

19:05

and we've had Jamie Donnelly playing this more deeper

19:07

role than we've ever seen before which he now

19:09

does with England as well still sort of catch

19:12

smile when I see members of the midfielder he's

19:14

always the striker, he's always the main goal

19:16

scorer in the teams coming through the academy so it's

19:18

a bit of a change but look he's delivering in

19:20

both positions that's what good Clary is and then obviously

19:22

Will Langshere is the out-and-out striker up front

19:25

who has really developed this season

19:27

to a very impressive standing you know and I

19:30

think he's another one who next season can go out

19:32

on loan possibly to league one and have a really

19:34

big goal-scoring season as the main striker for a club

19:36

in that division so I think that's

19:38

really exciting and now looking at some of

19:40

the other results we've had a one-on-draw away

19:42

at Arsenal again we led for a long

19:44

period of the game late equal either continued

19:46

was frustrating but 21s are still top of

19:48

the league two games in hand and

19:51

they're looking really good to finish top of

19:53

that group standing rather soon. It's interesting because

19:55

I mean a lot has been made this

19:57

season of the fact that it's been remiss

20:00

alignment in terms of the general playing

20:02

styles between what was in the first

20:04

team to the other 21s and how

20:06

that's working. I mean many will argue that look

20:09

I think the first 10-12 games of the first

20:11

team was incredible. I think what we have seen

20:13

and I'm sure can get your thoughts on it

20:16

that has become harder. I think many have caught on to the

20:18

way and just try to set the

20:20

team up and what we are now experiencing is a lot of

20:23

low block teams essentially putting 10-11 behind the

20:25

ball and saying break us down and I

20:27

could be the wind recently. I

20:29

think Byron Villa haven't been the most prettiest on the eye.

20:31

I mean is this thing John

20:33

Weir also seeing in relation to the

20:35

youth because they're flying high at the

20:37

top so I'm interested to know how

20:39

they're adapting to the system and whether

20:41

they also find that it's difficult in

20:43

these kind of games where teams are

20:45

deploying 9-10 behind the ball. Does that look

20:48

a little bit different because it is more seen

20:50

as a development model rather than all about results

20:52

if you see one coming from? Yeah I mean

20:54

I mean taught them previously always had an emphasis

20:56

on just development of players and they would even

20:58

basically throw games to try players in different positions.

21:02

So you know I even remember a game pretty

21:04

recently I saw Jamie Donnelly play as a centre

21:06

back in a youth Champions League

21:08

game against Sporting Lisbon just to try something

21:10

totally different you know they do test players

21:12

out but this season especially we

21:15

just have too many good players for the

21:17

under 21 league. There are players in there

21:20

that you could drop into league one championship

21:22

and maybe decent players in those leagues already.

21:24

We've got four or five in that

21:26

team that are just too good for under 21

21:29

football and that's why they've been rolling people over

21:31

and winning with such bigger and such style and

21:34

quite often scoring many goals and so

21:36

I just think that we are in a good

21:38

position and I think even next season when

21:40

five or six of the current 21s go out and

21:43

loan we've got enough good under 18s

21:45

players to come up and the under

21:47

21s will still be very good next season. I do

21:49

think they probably want to make a couple of additions in the summer we'll

21:51

come on to that a bit later when looking

21:53

at the squad as a whole and how it might look for

21:55

next season but I think to know

21:57

the likes of Tyrese Hall, Mikey Moore, Leo

22:00

Black, Gamola O'Jay, you've got four or five

22:02

players there that are already ready to play

22:05

21s and look good and do that for a year, 18

22:07

months, and then they'll go out on their loans. So we're

22:09

developing a really good pathway now of players

22:11

of a high standard. It's just about making sure

22:13

that they're next, if we don't

22:15

have European football to offer them, say

22:18

Europa League, for example, if they're

22:20

going to go out and loan picking the right loans where

22:22

they're getting 40 game season under their belt, which works so

22:24

well with Oliver Skip. So

22:27

it's not always that Tottenham loans are bad.

22:29

We do sometimes nail it and we're nailing

22:31

it at the moment with Ashley Phillips, with

22:35

Josh Tealy at Barnet. So some of these

22:37

players now, the loans have been much better

22:39

this season than many of the past. You

22:42

bring up there the development of those young

22:44

players. I think you're pretty come on to

22:46

this, I don't want to steal your thunder,

22:48

but Leo Black we've seen has made his

22:50

first start for brilliant under-18s. They've beat Czechia

22:52

2-1. George Abbott, you recently reported this and

22:54

it's exclusive on your feed for

22:57

Lili White-Rosa. He's been called up to the under-19s.

22:59

He'll link up with Alfie Dorentin,

23:01

Tyreese Hall, Jamie Donnelly, all Lancashire. So it

23:03

does feel, Jon, that from the outside looking

23:05

in, I mean you're a lot more closer

23:07

to it than I am, that these

23:10

youth players are getting real decent recognition now and

23:12

a number of them are being called up respectively

23:14

for their countries. Yeah, and

23:16

the level of these England youth teams is incredibly high

23:18

as well. That's what you've got to consider. These England

23:20

youth teams go and win a lot of the international

23:23

tournaments so the level of

23:25

the players now being developed is incredibly high from

23:27

this country as a whole. But if you're getting

23:30

five in a squad of 25, so you're going there

23:32

and you're getting 20% of the squad to come from

23:34

one club, you've put yourself in a

23:36

pretty good position. The other interesting point

23:38

about this is, apart from Lil'

23:40

Lancashire, all of those boys have been at Tottenham for

23:42

a long period of time. It's not like a Man

23:44

City strategy where they're C and Chelsea, where they're stealing

23:46

boys from the likes of Brighton and other clubs at

23:49

14, 15, 16.

23:51

Most of these players have been at Tottenham since under 8s,

23:53

under 9s and that shows that we

23:55

are developing very good coaches at younger levels to

23:57

bring through really good players that are now playing.

24:00

international recognition just on Leo Black as well.

24:02

I was really pleased with him because he's

24:04

somebody who even if we would have missed

24:06

discussion this time last year I would

24:08

have just been saying yeah he's a

24:11

kind of average right back and I wasn't really

24:13

expecting much of him. This season

24:15

the Andre teams changed their style

24:17

to match Angie's style. He's been playing as an

24:19

inverted right back and he's just taken

24:21

to it like a duck to water. Honestly he's

24:24

come on leaps and bounds and it's really great

24:26

when you see that you know you see somebody

24:28

really develop and really push on over a 12-month

24:30

period and now he looks like an outstanding player

24:32

in the Andre teams team and hopefully he'll go

24:34

on and be an outstanding right back in the

24:36

Andre 21s team and then carry on

24:38

moving forward but he's just developed a real

24:41

awe about himself on the ball really tough in

24:43

the tackle really good feat in his passing and

24:46

then scored a couple of goals as well so yeah

24:48

he's probably the one that development wise has

24:50

improved the most over the last kind of 12 months.

24:53

Your chance of runs on the fact Spurs still remains

24:55

top of the Premier League 2

24:57

table in relation to the Andre 21s.

25:00

How much of an achievement would that be for Spurs

25:02

to win that title in

25:05

relation to that particular league and what would that

25:07

mean for that group of players? Is it again

25:09

just that feeling of winning and how important that

25:11

is when we've seen previous youth

25:13

sides go on to win trophies and

25:16

how much that can hopefully benefit them

25:18

in the pathway to the first team?

25:20

Yeah well I think it would continue a winning culture because

25:22

you've got to remember a lot of these players this

25:24

is why the Andre 21s are doing so well this year.

25:27

The better Andre teams players have moved up

25:29

and become the permanent team the likes of

25:32

Jamie Donnelly, Alfie Dorenton, Tyree Small, Luke Dunsor,

25:34

George Abbott. These were all guys that play

25:36

a key role in the Andre 17 Premier

25:38

League Cup win and the Andre 18 Premier

25:40

League Cup win last season so they're

25:43

used to winning already but you know they've

25:45

got a hunger to go and win trophies

25:47

and both of the wins in those cup

25:49

competitions came at you know way grounds not

25:51

in Forest and Aston Villa so they're building

25:54

a confidence in themselves to get over the line

25:56

and if we can bring that into the first

25:58

team with a core. group

26:00

of young players that are one

26:02

good players but two have

26:05

that winning mentality in them and three are

26:07

also mostly Tottenham fans, you're on to a

26:09

good thing and hopefully that can rub off

26:11

throughout the squad. But yeah, so if they

26:14

can win this under the 21 Premier League, that

26:18

will just stand them in good stead moving forward and get

26:20

them used to that winning mentality. Absolutely.

26:22

John, you'll have to forgive me, I've been scrolling here because I've

26:24

been trying to find the guy and

26:26

I've just actually found it. There was a great interview

26:28

on Spurs Play with Simon Davis,

26:30

the academy director that spoke a

26:33

lot with relation to how much

26:35

more connected now it

26:37

is with the football club with And. I

26:39

think when we last touched base or spoke

26:41

there's now some more understand bi-weekly meetings that

26:43

occur with And. We're not having a situation

26:45

where players from the youth are no longer

26:47

being used as mannequins with And, so do

26:49

you hear, bless him, a year

26:52

later since obviously his departure. It

26:54

did film in, for those that haven't checked

26:56

that out, that's a believe on Spurs Play

26:58

from really at the moment. Yeah, YouTube as

27:00

well, you can get it. Yeah, YouTube, really

27:02

great interview with the academy director Simon Davis

27:04

who spoke really at length about the relationship

27:06

that he's got with And. It just feels

27:08

at the moment, John, going back to what

27:11

you said there, great time for the academy,

27:13

great development, great connection there from the first

27:15

team downwards, right? Yeah, it

27:17

feels like to me this is the best

27:19

structure we've had in about 15 years. I've

27:21

always go back to that period where we've

27:23

walked through the likes of Stephen Caulker, Andros

27:25

Townsend, Tom Carroll, Ryan Mason,

27:28

Harry Kane, all in one group, four of those

27:30

five went on to become four England internationals and

27:33

we've sold some of them for significant sums of

27:35

money. So, it does feel like

27:37

we've got the right people in the club now

27:40

and everyone is working together on

27:42

a kind of strategy for Tottenham and to continue

27:44

the pathway of bringing through these good young players

27:46

because it doesn't stop with just the

27:48

under 18s. I know, for example, even

27:51

these England younger squads, under 16s, under 15s,

27:53

they've all got three, four Tottenham

27:55

boys in the squads as well. So, we are

27:57

continuing this development plan throughout the club. And

28:00

as you said, if Andrew's on board with bringing three

28:02

younger players, I get the point that we haven't seen

28:04

it yet. But as I said, I think that's to

28:06

do with the lack of game time,

28:08

the games, basically, we haven't had the opportunity for Andrew

28:10

to bring in two of the younger players.

28:12

But look, he still has given Jamie Donnelly a debut.

28:15

He still has had Alfred Dorington and Yago

28:17

Santiago and Onzo training the first team quite

28:20

a lot. And

28:22

others, we often see pictures of other players,

28:24

you know, Dpimak Sroxen was recently the first

28:26

team. And, you know,

28:28

if we can all work on a kind of

28:31

strategic basis to top them together and philosophies

28:33

aligned throughout the club, that is only going to be

28:35

beneficial to us bringing through, you know, the next set

28:37

of homegrown players to the club. Totally

28:40

agree. Another thing, I mean, you

28:42

know, I speak to a lot of agents and scouts and

28:44

this sort of thing, and parents of players and the

28:47

feeling I get is this has been the best

28:49

time they've known to top them in terms of

28:51

overall happy, positive feeling to be at the

28:53

club and they feel like the club is

28:56

going in the right direction. So

28:59

it will be about now proving that there is

29:01

a genuine pathway to bring through young talent. We

29:03

are successfully now signing young talent from

29:06

abroad, the likes of Biskovitch and Bergval.

29:09

So we must be doing something to convince them and

29:11

their agents to turn down, you know, twenty, thirty other

29:13

European clubs that will be tracking all the same plans

29:15

as they do now with scouts all over the world.

29:18

So it's about convincing our own homegrown young players that

29:21

the opportunities are there at Tottenham as well. And that

29:23

will be really key for this next stage of their

29:25

development. I've been interested before we do

29:27

move on. Who do you give back credit to for

29:30

that transformation? It's

29:32

interesting because I think under Fabio Parraiccic's

29:34

time, I know people say he wasn't

29:37

involved in, you know, the Academy too much

29:39

and that sort of thing, but I think

29:41

he was involved in raising the ambitions of

29:43

the Academy to people above, you

29:45

know, the likes of Daniel

29:47

Levy and Donna Culler and etc. I

29:49

think he was involved in saying, hold on

29:51

a minute, you know, I've been at Juventus

29:54

where we have partnership agreements with clubs all

29:56

over Italy. We have scouts all over South

29:58

America and other continents and countries. I

30:00

feel like he raised the ambition of the

30:02

club. Even the appointment of Gretel Steinsel

30:04

who came in, who I know had a big

30:06

part to play in, Mikey Moore, renewing when lots

30:09

of big clubs wanted him, and Tottenham to suddenly

30:11

offer more money to these players as well. There

30:13

was a situation only the

30:15

summer before last where we

30:17

lost to England Youth International to

30:19

Southampton. You know, that is an unthinkable

30:21

scenario for Tottenham to be losing their two

30:23

best players in an academy group at the

30:25

time to Southampton, who can basically come

30:27

and cherry-pick your players on the basis that, look,

30:29

we're going to offer them X amount

30:31

more money than you are, and Tottenham are very rigid

30:34

in their structure. But I think by seeing so

30:36

many of our good young players renew and renew

30:39

on long-term contracts, I think under

30:41

Fabio Paradiccio, I think there was a realisation that

30:43

we needed to get with the game, we needed

30:45

to pay the going rate. I

30:47

know under John McDermott, for example, who's now

30:49

of England, that Tottenham were basically set

30:51

on a pay structure and if you thought you

30:53

were going to get more elsewhere, then go. We

30:56

won't match it, but that's certainly changed

30:58

under Fabio Paradiccio. We're now offering competitive

31:01

salaries with the other top six clubs,

31:03

which has meant we've been able to hold on to our best young

31:05

talent. And I think, you know, I do understand

31:07

the philosophy of not giving youngsters especially too much

31:09

too soon, because you can lose the hunger, you

31:11

can lose the appetite, you can feel like you've

31:13

made it before you've done anything. But actually,

31:16

if all your rivals are paying X, Y

31:18

and Z amounts of money, you

31:20

need to be matching out all you're going to get left

31:22

behind. And I think the summer we lost to two boys

31:24

at Southampton was the final nail

31:26

for Tottenham's previous strategies and structures in

31:28

that regard. And they're now working to

31:30

a far different probability and capacity.

31:32

And we've seen that with the signings of Bergmao,

31:35

Vostovic and also, you know, Will Lanchere, you know,

31:37

it was unusual for Tottenham to pay £2 million

31:40

to champion United for a boy that Arsenal

31:42

would really just 18 months

31:44

earlier. Tottenham's going to hand £2 million

31:46

to someone that was on a free 18 months earlier,

31:48

who's pretty unheard of. So, yeah, things have definitely changed.

31:50

I think Fabio Paradiccio should take a lot of credit

31:53

in that regard. will

32:00

be in your opinion? Brilliant,

32:03

absolutely brilliant. I mean he's a really

32:05

exciting central midfield player that sort of

32:07

sets the tempo of the game around

32:09

him. Really good quick

32:11

feat, can dictate the game, takes leadership of

32:13

the game and has seemingly recently started popping

32:16

up with really important goals as well. So

32:18

he's another one like Leo Black who has

32:20

finally got an England call-up, much deserved probably

32:22

for about the last 24 months. So

32:25

I was really really pleased when he got the call-up straight into the

32:27

under 19s and I

32:29

think Tyrese can be a really important player for us moving

32:31

forward. I think he'll probably look

32:34

to do one more year in

32:36

our own 21s next year, really

32:39

establish himself as the first full central midfielder in

32:41

that team and then look for a season long

32:43

loan thereafter. That's the thing, I know we hear

32:45

these because of, and I'm part of the problem

32:47

probably, accounts like myself and others, we

32:49

talk about these young players more and more from 16, 17, 18 and

32:52

people say when are they ready for the first team? When

32:55

are they ready for the first team? Some players aren't

32:57

ready until they're 21 or 22

33:00

whereas others, normally from

33:02

abroad actually like Berg now, they've

33:04

got 90 senior games under their

33:06

belt for the time there at ET. It's

33:08

just a different way we do things in England

33:10

and I know there are exceptions to the rules like

33:12

Miley at Newcastle and others but

33:16

players do just break through at different stages. You remember Ryan Mason didn't

33:18

break through at Tottenham because he was 23. Look

33:23

at Harry Henry loans it took. People just break

33:25

through at different days but when

33:28

we talk about Mikey Moore, he's still 16. It's a long

33:31

way to go and there's all things

33:34

that can happen between 16 and 18

33:36

to the way you play football

33:38

and your body and growing and everything else. He's

33:41

an amazing talent as is Tyrese Hall

33:43

but these guys are still very, very

33:45

young so they still need, in

33:47

my opinion, a really good loan first before they can

33:49

change for a first team spot. I want

33:51

to say a really good loan. I mean a loan we go out and

33:54

play 40 games week in week out.

33:56

There's no better way of defending yourself than that. how

34:00

many England you've been to actually end up having successful

34:02

careers example playing consistently in the Premier League. I don't

34:05

think we've got the actual formula of stat

34:07

there but I think again you know you look at the fact of

34:09

how hard it is John you say that it's to break through and

34:12

then number two to maintain that consistency right it's just

34:14

not easy to do so. We see now one of

34:16

the toughest things in the world the Premier League. One

34:18

of the toughest things and also that England set up is

34:21

quite interesting because I feel like if you

34:23

get in there when you're kind of under 15 say you're

34:25

one of the star players under 15 under 16 you

34:27

then kind of stay in that squad unless you have

34:29

a dramatic fall-off you know cliff you stay in that

34:31

squad all the way through to kind of 18s 19s

34:34

and that's why they like to tie a school who's

34:36

probably in my opinion should have been in the squad for the last

34:39

two years starting as an under

34:41

17s player has just basically been overlooked

34:43

because they stick with the same players and then they

34:45

go away they familiarize themselves with the England coaches and

34:47

the setup and it's really hard to

34:49

get in and break in and so I was

34:51

really pleased that obviously he now got in there

34:53

but yeah the levels are just so high Ricky

34:55

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34:57

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37:04

Black, Yusef, Ancom Rich, Mason

37:06

King, J.B. Roswell, Roman Igan, Riley,

37:08

Herbie James, Callum Logan, Zamola Ajayi

37:10

all sign new contracts, professional contracts

37:13

of the club. Since

37:16

we last touched base John give us a

37:18

flavour of what you believe to be the

37:20

most important ones that are there for Spurs

37:22

in the future if you can. Yeah so

37:24

they're basically how it works is first of

37:27

all as I say I've started from the

37:30

beginning of the contract period, this explains it. So you

37:32

start off as a schoolboy player at the club,

37:34

when you turn 16 you can be offered a

37:37

contract period. You can be offered a contract

37:39

period, you can be offered a contract period, you can

37:41

be offered a contract period.

37:44

If you turn 16 you can be offered a two year scholarship. Now

37:47

a couple of the really exceptional players don't just get

37:49

offered a two year scholarship, they get offered a two

37:51

year scholarship and a one year pro which

37:53

is the maximum contract length you can offer somebody

37:56

of that age. So it taught them in the

37:58

recent years we've had that offered to the likes of Mikey Moore and

38:00

Kalamala SSA, they both signed those contracts

38:02

last summer. Before that

38:04

we had it with Alfie Dorrington, Luke Dunton,

38:06

Jamie Donnelly. So that's how normally,

38:11

yes, exceptional circumstances work like that, otherwise you get

38:13

a two year scholarship and then in your second

38:15

year of the scholarship, top them all decide whether

38:17

they're going to offer you your first professional contract

38:20

and that's when you've come into the under 21s the

38:22

following year. Some of them

38:24

get offered really early, so Tyreese Hall was one that

38:26

got offered at the first possible opportunity, Oliver

38:29

Iroh was one that got offered very early as well and

38:32

now we're seeing some of the later offers. But what's interesting

38:34

about some of the later offers is some of the players

38:36

you mentioned there Kalam Logan, Roman Egan

38:38

Riley, Herbie James. They

38:40

haven't actually played very much these guys but as

38:42

a sweetener basically of signing them

38:44

to begin with, so Ed and Riley and

38:47

Herbie James both came from Antiti's Academy last

38:49

summer and Kalam Logan came

38:51

from Ipswich. They're basically offered

38:53

a guarantee that you'll be signed

38:55

and also you'll get a pro contract as well

38:59

and there is arguments to and for that. Obviously that's

39:01

how you sign the players, it's an attractive proposal and

39:03

that's why they'll choose to pop them over, a rival

39:05

that might be offering for them but also it

39:08

could mean that some of the existing players that maybe have been there

39:10

since the age of 8, 9 or 10 who are as good

39:13

if not better than some of those players

39:15

end up not being offered professional contract and

39:17

kind of miss out. So it's a bit

39:19

of a skewed system in my opinion

39:21

and I think we'll see that this summer. It hasn't been announced

39:23

yet but when it's announced which players have

39:25

been released I think there'll be a couple in there

39:27

that will feel pretty hardly done by when looking

39:29

at some that have been offered on the basis that

39:32

they were promised this when they joined but actually they

39:34

don't play very much and don't really start for them

39:36

ratings. Fascinating

39:38

stuff. I mean John, out of those that we have penned

39:41

down to New Deal, any of you should say, got to

39:43

keep an eye on him? Yeah,

39:45

I mean Leo Black is one

39:47

of the obvious ones but also Demola Raje,

39:50

this is somebody that has stepped up

39:52

massively from the under 18 teams to 21s in recent

39:55

weeks. He had a really good goal away

39:57

to Middlesbrough last week, 95 Minutes to

39:59

kill the win. But. Also saw it in i'm

40:01

Three on from the first time the season the not for

40:03

five me when it must City. And so

40:05

he's really does tall compound like when compiled

40:07

from as well and for good pace and

40:09

power to him and I think you'll be

40:11

a a will think next season when we

40:13

see a lot of the you know more

40:15

well known on three month only like share

40:17

juices up build up a sense of another

40:19

guy laden. I. Think that would have not

40:22

the door for to my your j com a

40:24

real key player in i'm sweaty London basement until

40:26

from become more well known to fans but he

40:28

seems like a really good prospects. I think it

40:30

was really important it's on the details on them.

40:33

Hotspur. Under and that asked the

40:35

question john any players coming through

40:37

from the under sixteen's below we

40:39

should know about. I don't think

40:41

the second part the also the next playoffs

40:43

has it been given a T scholarships that

40:45

excitement lot of times we've already discussed. but

40:47

and anyone from the ice bucket we should keep

40:50

no one that you know that there's been

40:52

a couple the of saw a plaintiff already

40:54

and outs of them sensibilities bows that they're

40:56

really sure on. And. They know they want to be

40:58

a part of the. Inside for next

41:00

year supply enough to see the

41:02

Geico Miracle at. While. Playing

41:04

up in the under eighteen's ready and

41:06

he comes out what a cool right

41:09

wing very minor miracle of a yeah

41:11

I have we have a young man

41:13

it's a positions of outside yeah we

41:15

require well as he sliced biopsy of

41:17

see someone for who got high hopes

41:19

for. And medically hardy who's

41:21

an even number? Sixteen cents back or

41:24

he looks really good prospect. He's.

41:26

Already spy plane off as well as to get an idea

41:28

of the players are going to be the the prefabs in

41:30

the groups and next year. And sort of.

41:32

This is that we with much more color

41:35

melissa say applying a fifteen year olds and

41:37

but there's even a couple that that is

41:39

of wiggled lethal Williams Barnett to I think

41:42

he's fourteen maybe two thousand and fifteen. He's

41:44

already played up with the under six a

41:46

few times is it him invenergy South Groups

41:48

and he's really highly regarded as well. It

41:51

might be next season with salt. See him

41:53

find this number eighteen slayer you have to

41:55

have for years about the Ice Greek. And

41:57

because they're recording this F L Sunday. The

42:00

prospect in addition, uncommon. I mean off.

42:02

no choice. Talk about them for the

42:04

Echo a way in there on breaking

42:06

the moment Max value, nothing school the

42:08

thousand and fourteen. And.

42:10

So you know younger younger they're providing these opportunities

42:12

place that we do see you the key part

42:15

of our future and that helped the i'm so

42:17

Funny scholarships and deal was in and all that

42:19

kind of stuff and showing that the pathway the

42:21

couple that player so. I think we'll

42:23

see more morphy on the players play up in especially

42:25

with the end of the season. Will start with decisions

42:28

on his you the gas will ship and the going

42:30

to be partly and ratings next season. Yeah

42:32

I mean I you to be touched upon it can

42:34

be quite brutal. I mean I should I go several

42:37

times that will go there that you know maybe all

42:39

to be. couldn't move a chance when you compare those

42:41

like so and. You. Don't get access to

42:43

those. It's yeah, the nature of idea you might.

42:47

Yes, Very comfort and younger we never see

42:49

his fans. Is you know that the

42:51

mom or dad is that kid? Has. Driven

42:53

I'm salsa away free four times a week.

42:55

He has given up properly of was on

42:57

job. As a can only work part

43:00

time to accommodate driving the kid back and forwards

43:02

for eight nine ten years and it can just

43:04

comes. We're succeeding. They are mound of coffee stains

43:06

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43:08

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43:11

a boyhood Ram Carter. People might know in more

43:13

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43:15

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43:17

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43:20

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43:22

and suffices like a team sensation of teeth

43:24

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43:27

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43:29

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43:31

yeah he was always the one he mocked is

43:33

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43:35

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43:37

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43:40

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43:42

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43:44

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43:46

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43:48

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43:51

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43:53

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43:55

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45:23

with we can go more with

45:25

oh see the real exciting. Deadline

45:28

day signing of January for Spurs which

45:30

was the signing. Of Lucas

45:32

Berg. Wow. No. M R pass

45:34

over to you to tell us how we've

45:37

given a pair of gloves minutes aren't actually

45:39

butcher the name of them. How they get

45:41

a lead john ahead of during the football

45:43

club in the summer. I think most impressive

45:45

thing is is that they that June June

45:47

gardens affordable that robot go without and have

45:50

a pretty they got their money for him.

45:52

For. The code on plane you. It. except polar

45:54

opposite situation that we saw the soviets were basically

45:56

they got their money or they're like yeah with

45:58

them with with the hot development of him, we've got

46:01

the money across the line and they stop picking him. With

46:03

Gerf we'll

46:23

look at him in the pre-season as well and then make a decision on

46:25

him. He seems like

46:47

a really exciting young talent and

46:49

at the stage he just has to get game time

46:52

and keep getting minutes. So yeah I think the best

46:54

bet for him is obviously do the pre-season with Tottenham

46:56

and then make a decision about a strategic loan for

46:58

him where he's going to feature heavily. So

47:01

yeah he looks like a fantastic prospect and

47:03

obviously Tottenham did beat Barcelona to his signature

47:05

and you know Barcelona renowned for snapping up

47:07

some of the best youth talent in world

47:09

football so that's really exciting. Well

47:11

come to Donnelly shortly John but King

47:14

on the glass there, what do you believe the

47:16

plans to be for Bergval ahead

47:18

of next season? Can you give us an understanding of

47:20

what you believe that will play

47:23

out? I think they'll probably look

47:25

to involving pre-season and then alone

47:29

I hope we can climateise the

47:31

league here whether that be the

47:33

championship and then picking the right

47:35

club will be key. Okay

47:37

I've got a question in here from

47:40

Sad World who says John

47:43

how do you see us with the further

47:45

development and relation with Giorgarden

47:47

and our academies in Twine and it'd

47:49

be great to cooperate with them as

47:51

they have great senior figures in their

47:54

A team with international experience. We'd love

47:56

to see potentially a Donnelly-bergval

47:58

Trade. On July the first,

48:01

the mean Again, it's been well documented out there

48:03

that they seems to be a form of relationships.

48:05

I can partners insult them. And the

48:07

Swedish Club. How much would benefit can

48:09

that be Jordan? Would you pass the

48:11

commonality initially? Yes, huge

48:13

benefit Mom Really a big advocate of.

48:16

Working. With with other clubs and and

48:18

building the strategic partnerships and you have placing He

48:20

said the selling one player on loan to Sweden

48:23

with a totally new road in a sense you

48:25

are free together from Tottenham that know each about

48:27

the can live together in can that you don't

48:29

embrace the culture there I don't think is the

48:32

cretinous calmly of I think he'd be better suited

48:34

to win the championship next year and a know

48:36

that we're ready the most clubs in league one

48:38

with would put their hands up taking next year.

48:41

And. They can find the right temperature cops. a

48:43

champion for the best way for him. And

48:45

but there are players that would definitely benefit for

48:47

from that. The top and and do the full

48:49

season in Swedish leave absolutely. John

48:52

Alfie Divine I stipulates both

48:54

at Plymouth. Argyle tell us about how

48:56

they get on. Up as if

48:58

I saw it brilliantly that we're both signed and least in

49:00

the put in the team with a manager that new them

49:02

from the even you set up roots. And

49:05

Phillips has managed to the although he

49:07

they both got out of the team

49:09

after Obama about civil rights thoughts. Athletes.

49:12

My ship asking the same and refurbishing self in

49:14

the back free the airplane and doing really really

49:16

well by all accounts. Divine. A sound

49:18

it more difficult. And. It doesn't beg

49:20

the question of was it the correct decision

49:22

Such mouthful by oh that was in league

49:24

one. I've been playing with all these kind

49:26

of really influential plan lot of games there

49:28

and we have taken him out. He found

49:30

himself on the beach Plymouth when he still

49:33

coming on almost every game. And vs

49:35

a half an hour forty five be some forsett.

49:37

a good excuse to first ever season in the

49:39

championship. Or. Something championship, but

49:41

some. Yet surprisingly no

49:43

longer starting every week. But. I

49:46

think it's good for realization Tottenham fans.

49:48

The. I. Don't see them, you know,

49:50

maybe obvious agree if we now Alfie Divine

49:52

and in a coming back and challenging James

49:54

Madison or anyone else for a place atop

49:56

the next season, I still think he needs

49:58

have season on loan. he's the main man

50:00

and does 40 games and develops

50:03

that way before he comes into suggestions

50:05

of starting to top him. It's

50:07

interesting John because when you think about Lucas

50:09

Berg about potentially him coming in for pre-season

50:11

as well when you keep the divide about

50:13

or have three or four creative midfielders, they

50:16

do keep Lussella which I think Percy's unlikely

50:18

but I think begs the question that you

50:20

say I mean maybe like you said there with relation to

50:22

divide he needs to have a full season against the Championship

50:24

to keep on developing right? Absolutely I

50:26

think I think had had this in fact even if

50:29

he'd gone to Plymouth and played every game till the

50:31

end of the season the stark

50:33

facts would still be he'd only ever done

50:35

six months in the Championship and six months

50:37

in League one to then jump the

50:39

level of starting to Tottenham who are going to

50:41

be you know hopefully challenging towards the

50:43

top end of the Premier League. It's a big ask. Of

50:46

course. I think he'd be beneficial but look for next

50:48

season if we could get another Championship loan where he

50:50

was guaranteed to play for six months yeah

50:52

fantastic re-evaluate in January and if

50:55

there is a Premier League team at that point Sam

50:57

will take him alone and he will play then

51:00

you move him halfway through the season but I think he

51:02

has to do a solid six months in the Championship first.

51:05

John, Kevin Dyke one asked

51:08

the question what level do you think

51:10

Phillips will be loaned out to next

51:12

season surely you can do better than

51:14

a team battling mitigation from the Championship?

51:18

Again you know Phillips

51:21

he did six or seven games at Blackburn

51:24

you know the game is from January onwards at Plymouth you

51:27

know which

51:30

Premier League club is going to take him? It's

51:32

possible that somebody might take him because he's

51:34

got that physique because he's

51:37

a big powerful lad and he'll have contact

51:39

with time at England and in the youth

51:41

setups but I still think if he could

51:43

get another Championship loan next season and do

51:45

it you know another full season with someone

51:47

in the Championship that would be really beneficial

51:49

but I think we're you know we've positioned

51:51

especially in those centre back positions really well for the future

51:54

when you've got the likes of you know Gmero 25, Dragosin

51:56

21 or 22 and

52:00

then 21 or 22. And then below

52:02

that, you know, you've got Proskovic at

52:05

16, you've then got Alfred Dorenton 18-19,

52:07

you've got Phillips 18-19. So we've suddenly

52:09

gone and we've got a real future-preaching of

52:11

our centre-back options, which is really great to see.

52:14

Yeah, absolutely. Totally agree on that. And, you know,

52:16

just in relation to where we are, we're

52:18

blown players at the moment. And Troy

52:21

Parrott is an interesting one because, you

52:23

know, this is a guy that thought that he's been around

52:25

Tottenham, not to say forever, but for

52:27

a long, long time. And again, he got the

52:29

opportunity under Jose where Jose then kind of threw

52:31

it back in our face and said, I told

52:33

you he wasn't ready, if we remember. Typical Jose.

52:36

Yeah, typical Jose. How is Troy getting on

52:38

John and his loan? He

52:40

was doing really well. I think he's picked up

52:42

an injury now, which has led to him being

52:45

out of the Republic of Ireland squad. But

52:47

I think from Tottenham's point of view, you know,

52:50

a possible sensible option with Projekt, there

52:52

was reported interest from Ajax and PSV

52:54

for next season. I

52:56

think probably, I think they've got an option on

52:58

his contract as well to extend him by another

53:00

year. I think it's probably

53:02

worth extending him and then seeing if an Ajax

53:05

or a PSV will take him on loan without

53:07

a buy option. Just put him on

53:09

loan to one of those top clubs that play

53:11

Champions League or European Football and Ajax might not

53:13

do next year because they're a terrible season. But,

53:15

you know, it's still a massive club, big stadium,

53:17

good players, good history, amazing history even, or PSV.

53:20

If one of those clubs want

53:22

to take him and, you know, I think

53:24

that could really see his market skyrocket to

53:27

really high levels. But you think Tottenham are

53:29

heavily linked with a striker from final now,

53:31

Jimenez, I believe it's called. Yeah, Jimenez, yeah.

53:34

Carrott's numbers aren't too dissimilar from him. So,

53:38

you know, I would say there's still

53:41

time to make a decision

53:43

with Troy, especially as he's been counting

53:45

his club training home groanies. It's more valuable as well

53:47

from next season. So I think for

53:49

Tottenham's point if you'd be sensible, if there is

53:51

that interest from Ajax or final or the PSV,

53:55

to really look at that as an option for a loan next

53:57

season for Troy. Yeah, definitely a

53:59

twist. I think John has

54:01

partly answered that. He's gone to say, I think

54:03

it'd be great in the areas of easy, but

54:05

how do people at Spurs look at his development?

54:07

I mean, John, I think what we have found

54:10

out from, again, that recent interview with Simon Davies

54:12

is that they are tracking evidently, you know, week

54:14

by week, game by day, and they're requesting the

54:16

data on every single player. So the

54:18

club will be acutely aware of how these respective players

54:20

are doing because it will be a case that we

54:22

want to move them up. And I'll come on to

54:24

it in a second. There's players that, I suppose, have

54:27

got out of the moment that they're going to hopefully

54:29

get some real decent value in the upcoming

54:31

transfer market, right? Yeah, absolutely. And

54:33

I think, you know, loans work two different ways

54:35

in Tottenham now. We now have our loans

54:37

of our young players that we want to go out and

54:40

we want to develop and want them to become future Tottenham

54:42

Hotspur players. But also loans that have

54:44

worked really well this season of

54:46

putting people out to increase their market value. And

54:48

that works when they go out and they actually

54:50

start every week and they show people, you

54:53

know, the levels and the ability they've actually got.

54:55

And the key one of that is Joe Rodin,

54:57

who, you know, had we been looking

55:00

for offers in the summer after a disappointing loan spell

55:02

at Wren last season, you

55:04

know, what would we have got offers, what, two million

55:06

quid to an up million quid? You know, there's nothing

55:09

because it wasn't playing. It's lucky. Yeah. So

55:12

now, you know, we'll get

55:15

all our money back as a minimum, in my

55:17

opinion, which was what, 11, 12 million quid that

55:19

was spent on him. But if Leeds could

55:21

get promoted, you know, become a million

55:23

say the fans love him. He's kind of a leader

55:25

at the back for them. You could even spend

55:27

a profit on Joe, which was unthinkable 12

55:30

months ago. So that's a, you know, that's

55:32

a loan that's worked really well. But then

55:34

they don't all work brilliantly because certainly a

55:36

regular look at old circular record on 32

55:38

million pounds, not really, I was hoping

55:40

that Brentford, you know, it would do something. And even

55:43

if it was, you know, 67 million pounds, we got

55:45

in the summer. But I don't even really see that

55:47

now if a year left on his contract and obviously

55:49

the red car, you know, really costing them the other

55:51

day. So don't all work brilliantly. The other

55:53

one is obviously Tanganga who this loan at

55:55

Millwall was, you know, revolutionized

55:58

his position really. And Tottenham

56:00

would have an interesting option to make because they

56:03

can either release him on a free in the summer

56:05

and sort of say thank you for your service and

56:07

good luck. Or they could

56:09

turn around and say, look, we've got an option to extend him by

56:12

a year. Let's extend him, but

56:14

still sell him. And maybe if it's

56:16

even £3 million, you know, it's £3 million more than they

56:18

would have got when he was sent

56:20

back early from that loan in Germany, you

56:22

know, in January. So yeah, that's

56:25

another loan that has worked well. And I'm pleased for

56:27

him because Jaff's a good guy and Tottenham's not from

56:29

the area. And I'm a little bit unlucky, you know,

56:31

in terms of when he broke through and not really

56:33

cementing a place. It could have all been quite different

56:35

for Jaff. So I'm actually really pleased for him that

56:37

he's managed to get his career back on track and

56:39

they see him when he really liked him at the

56:42

award. Just very quickly, John, I mean, what's the

56:44

chance of him agreeing to a new deal, given the fact that he's out

56:46

of contract in a couple of months? Can you see that happening or? I

56:49

think Tottenham have got the option in their favour. So I don't

56:51

think it's really a lot to do with Jaffet

56:53

and his Italian agent. I think Tottenham would just

56:55

basically email and say we've activated the option in

56:58

our contract until the 30th of June, 2025,

57:00

full stop. There's

57:02

not much he can do really in the option of the

57:04

player or, you know, at this time, the option of the

57:06

club. So that's how it is. And

57:09

they might just say, look, we'll still look to move you

57:11

on to Millwall, but we're looking for Tottenham

57:13

might even say as they've done with some of their

57:15

other transfers, like Marcus Edwards and Jack Clark, they'll basically

57:17

let him go for a nominal fee, but

57:19

they want a 50% sell on. Jaff is

57:21

still a young guy, you know, he could go to the championship,

57:23

go to Millwall, could smash it and suddenly

57:25

a family team wants to buy him 15 million, at

57:28

which point Tottenham would then get their seven and a half

57:30

that way. So, you know, they've come

57:32

up with inventive ways of allowing players to

57:34

move on to clubs that maybe naturally couldn't

57:37

afford them. Yeah, I know

57:39

this one is John isn't a essentially

57:41

a youth player, but he came through Spurs as

57:43

a prospect in terms of coming as part of

57:45

a decent deal at the time. We look like

57:47

there was reservations, given how much they still drag,

57:50

you probably don't know where this is. Jed Spence,

57:52

who has been obviously part of the deal for

57:54

Rannu Dragosheen over at Genoa, they

57:56

seem to be fairly liking what they've seen in

57:58

the last couple of weeks. Yes.

58:00

What's the charge? He

58:03

does seem to be out of favour, doesn't he? I mean,

58:05

there are weeks where he got that 96 minutes

58:08

away at Juventus with a clean sheet.

58:12

Maybe he's one of those sort of players that can really gear

58:14

himself up for the biggest games. Some

58:16

players are like that, and the big games, when everyone's eyes

58:18

are on you, you perform better. He

58:21

might be a player like that, but I think to top them, you

58:23

need to cut their ties with GED this summer. There

58:25

was a really interesting snippet from Phil Hay

58:27

at the Affleck about his time at Everton.

58:30

One of the real issues that emerged for him there was that he

58:33

basically lived next door to Greta Steinzmann, who

58:35

obviously worked at Tottenham Hill last year in

58:37

a kind of flam, and was booming

58:40

music until 2 in the morning and that sort of thing.

58:43

I mean, it's not ideal when you're next door to somebody that

58:45

works for the club as the basically

58:47

sporting director, you know, to be

58:49

doing that next door to him. A problem is in

58:51

Southampton, you know, gave a good word for GED to

58:53

get him at the club, you know? It's

58:56

kind of less a point in the minute when you hear that sort of thing. But

58:59

I think from Jennifer's point of view, they probably got

59:01

themselves a pretty good deal here, because if he performs

59:03

to anything of a decent level, they will

59:05

take up the option to buy him, because it's really low.

59:07

I think it's £8.6 million. It might even be euros.

59:09

It's a really low option to buy, because

59:12

for them, they then pick up a player

59:14

who complains very often for a little while, has

59:17

the opportunity to increase his market value. And they'll get

59:19

that man about when they get that guy back. He's

59:21

giving his whole back to an English club. He counts

59:24

as homegrown as well for English clubs. He gives the

59:26

time for us to middles before at

59:28

Fulham's Academy. So, you know, for foreign

59:30

club, for English clubs, they're struggling with homegrown numbers.

59:33

They can see each other every week and say, oh, hold

59:35

on a minute, we can get this guy for, I don't

59:37

know, £15 million or everything that costs, you know, at the

59:39

time. And they've got a homegrown player, despite

59:42

the fact he's been playing through in Italy. So,

59:44

for Jennifer, I think it makes financial sense to take

59:46

him permanently, and I probably think they will take him,

59:48

because the option's so low. Yeah,

59:50

it's an interesting one, that, I mean, again, depending on how that plays out,

59:52

you know, that could be quite

59:54

a lucrative deal for Spurs, or do you know, depending on how

59:57

that player's form does continue.

1:00:00

Finally, I want to ask you

1:00:02

about John, is Alejo Belize. Thoughts

1:00:05

on that loan spell at Seville? I mean, look,

1:00:07

at one point, it seems to be suggesting that,

1:00:09

you know, doesn't know what the future holds for

1:00:11

him and, you know, might be up for a

1:00:13

potential longer stay. What do you feel is a

1:00:16

situation where Alejo, as far as you understand? Look,

1:00:18

well, we've got all the indications that this was going

1:00:20

to be a good loan for him, that they needed

1:00:22

him, they gave him the number 10 shirt, they presented

1:00:25

him well and on paper it looked like a

1:00:27

decent move because he'd be there with LaMela, they've

1:00:29

got Ebonaga, they've got Acuna, they've got loads of

1:00:31

Argentinian players at the club as well that could

1:00:33

really help him settle in as a young guy

1:00:35

in their new city. And

1:00:37

I still think that even

1:00:40

at the end of this loan if he doesn't play again,

1:00:42

it won't all be negatives. You know, I think Seville were

1:00:44

a massive club and big traditions and I'm

1:00:47

sure he's gained, you know, good development from

1:00:49

his time there, albeit not as much game

1:00:51

time as we wanted. But

1:00:53

yeah, in recent weeks it seems to have really petered

1:00:55

out and he doesn't think he'd be playing at all,

1:00:57

which is very frustrating. But again, I don't think he

1:00:59

would have got those opportunities at Tottenham either with the

1:01:01

signing of Werner, with the return of Lane Scarlett or

1:01:03

if they couldn't be loaned out again with

1:01:06

Sonny coming back from the Asia Cup. I don't think he would have

1:01:09

had any more chances at Tottenham than he's had there. So

1:01:11

then the bigger question is should he have gone out

1:01:13

to an English club in the Championship, for example, where

1:01:16

he would have been acclimatising to the

1:01:18

culture of England, learning the language and,

1:01:20

you know, developing himself in English

1:01:22

football, would that have been more beneficial to Tottenham?

1:01:24

It probably would, in my opinion, especially

1:01:27

for, you know, somebody so young that's come from

1:01:29

Argentina and uprooted his whole family and life to

1:01:31

come and move here. You know, would

1:01:34

it have been more beneficial for him to have gone to an English club? I think

1:01:36

it probably would, even if that was a

1:01:38

Championship club and there's plenty of clubs in the

1:01:40

Championship that are screaming for a striker at the

1:01:42

moment, Sunderland being one, 2PR being another off the

1:01:44

top of my head. So, you know,

1:01:46

could more have been done to get him out on loan

1:01:48

to an English club and I think that would probably be

1:01:51

beneficial for next season, to get him on a full season

1:01:53

on loan to a Championship club. Final

1:01:56

ask you about John is, although he's not

1:01:58

on loan, is Dane Scarlett? obviously

1:02:00

recalled by Spurs in

1:02:02

the midst of this season. Not

1:02:05

really predominantly featuring been left out

1:02:07

the last couple of matchday squads.

1:02:09

Dane scored that great goal during of course

1:02:12

pre-season what a strike it was of course

1:02:14

Ian Schatgard the Nets. What

1:02:17

do you see the future hold of the Dane Sky? I think I've asked you

1:02:19

about him a couple of times, do you want to show? Yeah

1:02:21

I think he's got contract after 2026

1:02:23

so it's time to put on his hands for

1:02:25

him and Tottenham to see where Dane's future is

1:02:27

going to go. I've always rated Dane

1:02:29

really highly as you know and always remember him as

1:02:32

a really good standout player in our academy and

1:02:34

also he's still always connected to England at the

1:02:37

F3A group level. He's now in the under 20

1:02:39

squad with Alfie Devine and Ash Phillips. This

1:02:42

season has been a mess, let's make no mistakes

1:02:44

about that. Last year although he didn't score as

1:02:46

many goals as people wanted at Portsmouth he still

1:02:48

made 40 appearances in league one for a big

1:02:50

club that shouldn't really be in league

1:02:52

one you know so he was playing in front of a

1:02:54

packed track and park every week and going away with big

1:02:56

away followings and that was all good experience for him. This

1:02:59

year has been a mess obviously he went on loan to, well

1:03:02

first of all he came on for Tottenham in the Carabao

1:03:04

Cup against Fulham then played for Ipswich.

1:03:06

Now by doing that he couldn't go to a

1:03:08

third club when Tottenham cancelled the loan in January

1:03:10

or recalled him in January so basically

1:03:12

meant he wasn't going to get a lot of football unless he

1:03:14

was starting for Tottenham or playing for Tottenham in his first team

1:03:16

which obviously hadn't happened but he

1:03:19

wasn't getting game time at Ipswich either so it's just been

1:03:21

a disappointing moment

1:03:24

of his season this year. Hopefully he

1:03:26

still gained something from it and

1:03:28

his time at Ipswich wasn't a total waste of

1:03:31

time but next year he has

1:03:33

to be in Mannequin if there's a

1:03:36

league one for a year just to regain confidence and become the

1:03:38

main man at league one I think that would be sensible for

1:03:40

Dane and as I said with a contract in 2026 time he's

1:03:43

still very much in his hands and he's still a young player in 1920

1:03:45

so yeah I still think

1:03:48

Ben Scarlett definitely has a bright future at Tottenham and

1:03:50

he just needs the next move has to be the

1:03:52

right one. It can't be another year of no

1:03:55

progress or treading water. How

1:04:00

many them in different situations with regards to

1:04:02

their respective blood? You got some that gonna

1:04:04

arguably have a real bright future at Salt?

1:04:06

Need some at all? You have a real

1:04:08

point three jobs elsewhere. I'm really well this

1:04:11

season with a glass a game first team

1:04:13

football or they're all those couple in the

1:04:15

that really we're not too sure what's gonna

1:04:17

happen. So again always into as when it

1:04:19

comes to that loans the john psyche so

1:04:21

much that comprehensive low morale.wasn't as a couple

1:04:24

of quick five questions that were hiding receive

1:04:26

a friend to from the most of the

1:04:28

thought of announced American media last. Week. I

1:04:31

am now mode of academy First

1:04:33

the goalkeeper amateur. Now. What

1:04:35

was it without this is was described as

1:04:37

or worse experience loan. Just

1:04:39

had another terminology but with a dry

1:04:42

loans we have and were loans and

1:04:44

always kind of stuff. worth the streets

1:04:46

move. The. How this works is. Your.

1:04:48

Louts low now a goalkeeper either

1:04:50

of I seems team. Outside

1:04:53

of a transfer window to a club

1:04:55

with those outside the food pyramid basically

1:04:57

says hope so at a six for

1:04:59

Sept reload and the only thing I

1:05:01

this one is going to. Burst

1:05:04

and roses and Sam and he says that

1:05:06

opportunity will become a on It's a kind

1:05:08

of month by month contract who probably still

1:05:10

trying all the way. Three four times a

1:05:12

week for and will pay salary. Ambitious, jumped

1:05:14

the gun placing him in school never goalkeeper.

1:05:16

There's nothing that can be back to come

1:05:18

out and. Physics. The get a

1:05:21

time and your belt so we seen

1:05:23

that with and last year carried load

1:05:25

on who's the current under i think

1:05:27

goalkeeper he would like to welcome stating

1:05:29

that exact same thing so we've worked

1:05:31

for it's loans for for younger people.

1:05:33

he's really beneficial. ambitious a different term

1:05:35

for football fans and of the opium

1:05:37

full cliches podcasting on some one of

1:05:39

a job as you're not going to

1:05:41

choose another factor into the terrorists now

1:05:43

Aminu Oscar some of the plans that

1:05:45

we got in the first legal work

1:05:47

experience like he was seventy people with

1:05:49

his blood rather. Than money's worth experience

1:05:51

and the back she's calgary better competition

1:05:53

with is still there. Time is only

1:05:55

half. his own son yoga Santiago level

1:05:57

been on the bench. The

1:06:00

Academy let's go over and train with the

1:06:02

first same So I'm assuming that relationship between

1:06:04

between you and and as a scope require

1:06:06

a meme he spoke earlier about relationship may

1:06:08

be spoke to pet once a month was

1:06:10

it last it lot of and to. Deal.

1:06:13

With it with and I'm. In

1:06:15

a whispered report this morning from we have

1:06:17

a roofer bi weekly me into everything from

1:06:19

the but we speak in between you know,

1:06:21

ad hoc under the other. she's busy with

1:06:24

all the first few stuff going on. He

1:06:26

always gives you a time in this one.

1:06:28

Talk about the costs of the man on

1:06:30

the impact is around the place. Here

1:06:33

where it has to be a close relationship.

1:06:37

But. But my job as well as. His

1:06:39

are gonna make sure that the the plaza

1:06:41

good enough as well and the around it

1:06:43

right now it is tough. And

1:06:45

the reality is. I'll

1:06:48

play. Our young players have got the better

1:06:50

than what's in the first and was for

1:06:52

them around the country so there's no. God

1:06:54

given right to get enough or since. It's

1:06:58

is a tough point to achieve in your

1:07:00

in your career. Bought the manager I know

1:07:02

for sure we'll give up to him. As.

1:07:05

A when the time's right but it is

1:07:07

that consistency of you know you've thought about.

1:07:09

A loves going around the bend. So popular

1:07:11

is because of Marisa. That father is because

1:07:14

the interest the others as always the fuck

1:07:16

to the am. But the gotta do it

1:07:18

and it does it just com because you've

1:07:20

done it for a month. Is

1:07:23

those illusion that lot more than anybody? You have

1:07:25

to do it consistently. Fistful.

1:07:27

Of next twenty odd years as a as have

1:07:30

you know that of us the level that for

1:07:32

love so am the talent will take him was

1:07:34

gonna say them but we have got so much.

1:07:37

Else hotel in my opinion in the academy

1:07:39

coming through am I was one more of

1:07:41

it. You. Know a low as one

1:07:43

lawyer will always always been asking a question

1:07:46

about it. I'm just make an even tougher

1:07:48

environment for our young players coming through. Get

1:07:50

the we've even more quality enough I'm outside

1:07:52

and because we're doing a good job in

1:07:54

the and the rules and the premises that

1:07:57

we work within an hour of every premier

1:07:59

league economy. We're

1:08:01

in the ball park, we're in the right ball

1:08:03

park but I'll keep pushing. We're going to do

1:08:06

some quick five questions with John if we can.

1:08:08

This one is obviously one

1:08:10

that we want to kind of touch upon because it's obviously key to what

1:08:12

we love having John on here.

1:08:14

Sophie asked the question, John, is anyone

1:08:16

in that group that we've discussed during

1:08:19

the show in terms of under-rating Aarner

1:08:21

21s, likely to break through to the

1:08:23

first team as a regular or as

1:08:25

a high chance that we might lose

1:08:27

them as a promising player? And they're

1:08:29

referring to like Jamie Donnelly for example

1:08:31

that really haven't had a

1:08:33

massive opportunity this season or

1:08:36

is there a case where look these guys will

1:08:38

be rewarded in time with first team football, we

1:08:41

hope we've got more games last season. They also

1:08:43

mentioned the likes of of course that we didn't

1:08:45

really give the opportunities to Marcus Edwards, Nuna Manduake

1:08:47

obviously of course with Sirum's score for Chelsea last

1:08:50

week. Any concern those for you John and obviously

1:08:52

players to watch out for? I

1:08:54

think not really many concerns and

1:08:56

the reason for that is that I think Tottenham are

1:08:58

managing the contract of these players far better than they

1:09:01

ever have done before. So most of those you

1:09:03

mentioned are signed up to kind of 2027, 2026. They're on long-term contracts

1:09:05

and Tottenham are

1:09:08

kind of in charge of

1:09:10

the risk of players walking away. Nuna

1:09:12

Manduake is always an interesting one because he actually

1:09:14

left Tottenham as a kind of 16-year-old, didn't want

1:09:16

to sign a scholarship and left

1:09:19

over to Holland. So there was

1:09:21

not much Tottenham could do rather than they lost him.

1:09:23

They picked him up I think from Brentford's academy when

1:09:25

they closed their academy. So I think he was

1:09:27

only at Tottenham for two years or something anyway. He wasn't

1:09:30

some massive player Tottenham invested loads of money on. He

1:09:33

just decided to go and try his luck abroad and

1:09:35

it worked out for him really, getting a big 25

1:09:38

million pound move to Chelsea. And

1:09:40

yeah in terms of players that could break through

1:09:42

us, I certainly think this is the most exciting

1:09:44

core we've had for maybe 15 years. I think

1:09:46

there's genuinely four or five that have a really

1:09:49

good opportunity of breaking into the

1:09:51

team. The likes of you know Don Lee,

1:09:53

who I've always mentioned, but Tyrese Hall, Mikey

1:09:55

Moore, Alfie Gorengton. Now you're

1:09:57

looking even further, like Leo Black. Even

1:10:01

the goalkeepers, Lufagansa, Josh Thiele, you know, talking

1:10:03

about the Cario replacements, Josh Thiele can really

1:10:05

play this feat and I think it really

1:10:08

says a lot that Vicario went out

1:10:10

of his ways to go and watch a Barnet game, to

1:10:12

check in on Josh, you know, to see how he's getting

1:10:14

on. You don't see many Premier League keepers stepping down for

1:10:16

non-league to go and watch a game in this fair time.

1:10:18

And that shows, you know, one, what

1:10:20

a good guy Vicario is, but two,

1:10:22

imagine the confidence boost that gives Josh, you know,

1:10:24

playing in the goal, and you can't fuck Vicario

1:10:26

there, you know, that's amazing. And he obviously

1:10:29

would have got to know Josh from going on the pre-season tour.

1:10:32

Josh is obviously the starter for Ireland on the

1:10:34

21s, so they're really high regard for him. Don't,

1:10:36

for fans listening, don't judge for a loan at

1:10:38

Barnet as like, oh, you know,

1:10:40

he's not going to do anything. This is just to

1:10:42

get him game time. He'll go up to two or three divisions next

1:10:44

year and be a starter, a possible league one. And I

1:10:47

think they've got a really good plan for Josh

1:10:49

Thiele and they really do like him at Tottenham.

1:10:51

So he's another one who could definitely break through.

1:10:53

Callum will assess, say. So we've got a few

1:10:55

at the moment who I think if everything lines

1:10:57

up perfectly, we will answer, you

1:11:00

know, there are opportunities that we could see, you

1:11:02

know, one or two or three or four breaking

1:11:04

at Tottenham, definitely. Yeah, it's interesting. I

1:11:06

suppose I've announced the game back over to Oz at

1:11:09

the end of the season, they've got obviously career come up as

1:11:11

well. I mean, I just would imagine, John, this would be a

1:11:13

great opportunity for a number of those players to show and what

1:11:15

they're about, right? Yeah,

1:11:18

amazing opportunity, especially I think

1:11:20

the postseason tour even to Australia's

1:11:22

venue title, because I think

1:11:25

we'll have players off possibly being

1:11:27

told they can't go on that because

1:11:29

they are prepared for the Euros and other competitions

1:11:31

at which point younger players will step in and

1:11:33

that's an amazing opportunity to impress Ang and if

1:11:36

not the preseason tour in Australia will be an

1:11:38

opportunity to impress Ang. Yeah, totally

1:11:40

agree. Just a couple more, John, just these final quick

1:11:42

ones here. Mark, let's go back to what you said

1:11:44

about Keeley there. Mark asked the question

1:11:46

with four sustained for another year, the next

1:11:48

18 months presents an amazing opportunity

1:11:51

and chance for our young goalkeepers to take

1:11:53

a plane. It's not only the third, but

1:11:55

also our second choice, giving Keeley's general positive

1:11:57

loan and going to strong progression. Who

1:12:00

is best placed in your opinion? Josh

1:12:03

Keeley at the moment because he's actually out playing

1:12:05

men's games. We're

1:12:07

talking about the Ireland number 21 starting goalkeeper

1:12:09

and the England number 19 starting goalkeeper. They're

1:12:11

both of huge, huge talents. But

1:12:14

look, there is another argument that what's

1:12:17

the point of sitting on Tottenham's bench for 45 games for

1:12:19

the Carrion X season? Or 60 games for the Carrion X

1:12:21

season? It is better

1:12:23

to go out and do another full season

1:12:25

playing for young keepers.

1:12:27

It's a really hard balance to be a

1:12:30

second-choice keeper at a club. When

1:12:32

you're of that young age, you just need to be out

1:12:34

and playing every week. So I would rather that Luca Gunther

1:12:36

and Josh Keeley both went out on

1:12:38

loan next season, did full seasons on loan. And

1:12:40

if we need to sign a second keeper, who's

1:12:43

of a decent standing to

1:12:46

come in for a couple of years as a back-up in

1:12:48

the Soviet? But I'm hopeful that the Carrion will be our

1:12:50

number one for a really long period of time. So I

1:12:52

think he's a truly fantastic goalkeeper and a great character around

1:12:54

the club. Yep. And I see if you

1:12:56

want to end it on Jon. This is from Linda Hudson who

1:12:58

says, Your thoughts, Jon, on

1:13:00

making all academy players obtain referee

1:13:02

qualifications. Would this make players better

1:13:04

in some way? If so, should

1:13:06

this be beneficial to the club?

1:13:09

However, it isn't. It is a great pathway

1:13:11

for players to consider. It's definitely

1:13:13

a great pathway for players to consider because, you

1:13:15

know, a lot I said, we talked earlier about

1:13:17

the harsh reality of when players leave the club.

1:13:20

What do they do then? Obviously, refereeing is available all

1:13:22

over the country. You know, I pay rest every weekend

1:13:24

to my daughter's team. They get 20 quid a game

1:13:26

and they do about five games on a Saturday. Now

1:13:29

as a 14 year old, you make 100 quid in

1:13:31

cash. Doing that every Saturday. It's not a bad

1:13:33

bit of learning. No. It's a 16

1:13:35

year old, you know. So, yeah, I

1:13:37

mean, it would be good. And I'm

1:13:39

sure they'd understand different areas of the

1:13:41

game and why maybe referees

1:13:43

get, you know, frustrated

1:13:46

with certain situations. And yeah,

1:13:48

I think that would be a really interesting idea. John,

1:13:51

mate, thank you so much. It has been a master

1:13:53

mind. You answer every question we put to you and

1:13:55

do it eloquently so well, mate. It's always a pleasure

1:13:58

having you on. For

1:14:00

those that don't know where to find you, I can't believe they don't.

1:14:02

I mean, I know the club have got

1:14:04

their own academy outlet out there, but I know

1:14:06

I speak for many when they say you are

1:14:08

the one-stop shop, the source we all go to,

1:14:10

the man we go to when it comes to

1:14:12

the youth. Where can those find you that don't

1:14:14

know where to find you on the social?

1:14:16

Yeah, I mean Twitter or ex,

1:14:19

Instagram, Facebook as well, always at

1:14:22

lewight underscore rose and at some point I will return

1:14:24

my youth podcast that thank you all listeners and messages

1:14:26

I get all the time asking when to come back

1:14:28

with it. It will come back and it will also

1:14:30

come back with a kind of YouTube element to it

1:14:33

as well. So

1:14:35

in the near future that will be coming, I just

1:14:37

need to find time to crack on

1:14:39

with that. And Ricky, I don't know

1:14:41

how you do it mate. I know how I do

1:14:43

it. It's a few situations for me, kids and family

1:14:45

and everyone else, it's not easy. But yeah, I do

1:14:48

want to carry on putting out this content and hopefully

1:14:50

soon we can have an announcement on that. Amazing

1:14:53

mate, it's always fascinating stuff. We'll hope to catch up with

1:14:55

you John, maybe over the summer where

1:14:57

hopefully, listen, it's going to be a real positive time

1:14:59

for the club in general. Hopefully there'll be a return

1:15:01

to Europe, depending on what competition that is. But I'm

1:15:04

sure John, your echo the thoughts that look, get behind

1:15:06

the boys now, huge, huge games coming up for Tottenham.

1:15:08

I mean, no matter what, I think there is the

1:15:10

consensus out there. That's for like John, very quickly the

1:15:12

club are in the right progression route. Absolutely.

1:15:15

Look, this is free losses in our last

1:15:17

13 Premier League games. We

1:15:20

are on the right track. I know there's

1:15:22

a lot of worry about the fixtures in Oak Hill, but all

1:15:24

I can remind people is that we've played Arsenal

1:15:26

away, Man City away, Man United

1:15:29

twice, Liverpool at

1:15:31

home, all in the Premier League. We get to

1:15:33

lose a game. We will not

1:15:35

lose all of those games in April. We'll win a few

1:15:37

of them. We'll surprise a few people along the way, I'm

1:15:39

sure. We'll cause a few ups along the way. I'm

1:15:42

very confident that I still think we'll finish fourth.

1:15:46

But look, if we finish fifth and it seems like that's going

1:15:48

to be a champion league spot, then that should still be viewed

1:15:50

as a huge success when you consider where

1:15:52

we were last season finishing eighth, the kind of

1:15:55

disarray amongst the squad, the fact that we've had a

1:15:57

complete rebuild of the squad and we've now got a core

1:15:59

of young. players, Yudoji, Saar, Van

1:16:01

de Ven in particular, Johnson, that not

1:16:03

only are they great young players now

1:16:05

that are all becoming full internationals for

1:16:07

their countries, Poirot as well, including that,

1:16:10

these guys are just going to get more valuable, more

1:16:13

experienced, more understanding of the Premier League

1:16:15

each time they play and each season they play. They're going to

1:16:17

get better and better and better. So I think we're

1:16:20

on to something really promising at Tottenham. I think if we

1:16:22

can get a couple of the right editions and some of the

1:16:24

right characters, as we've done really the whole time since Andrew's been

1:16:26

at the club, it's going to be a key point of getting

1:16:28

the right characters in. It doesn't matter how

1:16:30

much talent you've got, you need to be able

1:16:32

to have the mentality to play for Tottenham and

1:16:35

appreciate playing for Tottenham and understand what it means.

1:16:37

The Carrio and Van de Ven and Madison have all

1:16:39

just took really easily to that. So I think if

1:16:41

we get the signings right in the summer, I think

1:16:43

we can challenge the scores on top of the Premier

1:16:45

League next season. I

1:16:47

think it is a really exciting time to be at

1:16:50

the club and I'm looking forward even to the Euros

1:16:52

this summer and hopefully seeing the likes of the Carrio

1:16:54

and Yudoji starting for Italy and then starting for the

1:16:56

Netherlands, Borro starting to Spain. We've come a

1:16:58

long way in a short period of time and also

1:17:01

look at the emergence of someone like Pap Tsar. But

1:17:03

that performance has been a second half mate. It was

1:17:06

absolutely phenomenal. He was winning everything, patrolling

1:17:08

the ball, taking the game. I think

1:17:11

we've got a really exciting future on our hands

1:17:13

at Tottenham and it won't take much to really

1:17:15

propel us up and hopefully get those trophies. We

1:17:17

all crave and all desperately want to see Tottenham

1:17:19

lifted. One thing I've cured John,

1:17:21

you know as well from your time at looking at

1:17:23

youth and young players is there's always natures of inconsistencies,

1:17:25

right? I mean, this is the thing, when you're doing

1:17:27

a young player's, unfortunately it isn't tonight and every week,

1:17:30

there is that growth that I just talked about where

1:17:32

it's not all going to happen straight away, right? It

1:17:34

is a process. It is

1:17:36

a process and look, Fulham was hugely disappointing. I'm making

1:17:38

no excuses for all that. But what I will

1:17:40

say is that look, it

1:17:42

was frustrating because we had our best result of the season,

1:17:44

that falling win at Villa Park just six days before. But

1:17:47

Fulham had no mugs, you know, Fulham are pretty, the home

1:17:49

game they tested ourselves, you knock us out of the cup,

1:17:52

we'll beat on penalties. They beat

1:17:54

Arsenal at home in December or January. They've

1:17:56

had some decent results from them. They're one at Old Trafford

1:17:58

as well. in the form

1:18:00

of his life, he's having that real breakthrough period, someone

1:18:03

that no one had heard of before the start of

1:18:05

the season. Everything

1:18:07

was going right for them on the day and everything

1:18:09

just went wrong for us. We did have opportunities early

1:18:11

on in the game and had one of those gone

1:18:13

in, I think back, especially that Madison one that went

1:18:15

just narrowly wide of the left-hand post. Things could have

1:18:18

been very different, but it wasn't to be, but we've

1:18:20

got new to next. That has to be a win

1:18:22

and we'll keep pushing on

1:18:24

because Villa and United even, they've got really

1:18:26

difficult games to come as well. It's not

1:18:28

just us. I'm confident that

1:18:30

we will be in the Champions League next year

1:18:33

and I think Andrew deserves huge credit for coming

1:18:35

into the hardest league in the world and doing

1:18:37

that in his first time of asking. My

1:18:39

man, Jon, it is always a pleasure, my man. Thank

1:18:41

you so much. Those that will be viewing and listening

1:18:43

will be keeping their eyes peeled for what's to come

1:18:46

from your world over at the Youth. Listen, Jon, thank

1:18:48

you so much, guys, for the watching audience. Thank you

1:18:50

for those that listen on audio again. Thank you so

1:18:52

much for your support. We'll be back with you soon

1:18:54

from myself, from Jon, over at Lilloo, up rows. Guys,

1:18:56

keep safe, keep well. And as always, come

1:18:58

on, you Spurs. Come on, you Spurs.