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Hello and

2:04

welcome to the last word

2:06

on Spurs. We are your

2:08

award winning Tottenham Hotspur for

2:27

the top class. We are back during this

2:29

international break as we return and bring you

2:32

a feature special here as we are looking

2:34

ahead of course. What is the running for

2:36

Tottenham Hotspur? Of course, still a

2:38

big, big season in store for Spurs in terms of

2:40

what's to come. It is the business end. Therefore, we're

2:43

down to business with the guests we've got to bring

2:45

on tonight. I'm going to fill you with the business.

2:47

Joining me as ever is the constructor, the intuctor, the

2:49

runner of this crazy trail. I can't get my words

2:51

out. It must be Lima, Queens back. Naka? How

2:54

are you my man? I was fine until I

2:56

got into Gringham with you two, not Ricky J. Norwood.

2:58

Adam and Rick. Honestly, I'm not having it. What

3:00

goes on in the game is stage in the game.

3:02

Are you talking about that little town of Rome? You're

3:05

giving me the right hump. No,

3:07

I'm fine. I'm absolutely fine. I

3:09

want the football back to be fair. I

3:11

didn't really watch the England game this year

3:13

if I'm brutally honest. Just spit some bobs

3:15

out of the background and some stuff with

3:17

my family and stuff at home. I

3:20

want my Spurs back. I

3:22

want the Tottenham back so

3:24

we can start. We look forward to

3:26

it now. I don't even know. Do we? After that

3:29

full home game. I just want the football to come

3:31

back for us to be fair. Naka,

3:34

always a pleasure. Now, this man, we've waited a while

3:36

to say he's back, back, back. He

3:38

is back, back, back. From the ice to

3:40

the last world Spurs, we've got

3:43

the wonderful Ricky J. Norwood returning.

3:45

Rick, my man, how are you? It feels

3:47

so, so long. Oh,

3:49

mate. It is so good to be back.

3:52

I've missed all of you boys, man. I've

3:54

missed it. I've missed it. I've missed football.

3:56

You Guys have been getting me through being

3:58

on those days in the ice. The both

4:00

of whom I forgot thank all it a

4:02

fan than all of this a pool as

4:04

that of tend loud and think great messages and

4:06

picked up the phone and both read while

4:08

I was doing that show. man it was

4:10

a crazy show I'm you know I'm really

4:12

happy to have done it once in a lifetime

4:15

type type of opportunity to a vague but

4:17

it was just nuts man it was not

4:19

and I was missing my football like our

4:21

basically training and and like checking it out and

4:23

of us both a boy who the coach

4:25

the use the show me like may I

4:27

might get like three minutes of like it

4:29

I mean a game. And in on us

4:31

to go off and decided galaxy with mental size. Just

4:33

good to be back and I can't wait to get

4:35

into a list of it. Blistering.

4:37

To an awesome movie what when asked you it's and

4:40

I like and it's a lot com i if i

4:42

suppose but with such a great experience for human what

4:44

you take away some expenses like a little bit after

4:46

it finished but and take away for you it's is

4:48

amazing opportunity to be involved with what should we we

4:50

do by few every week and trouble in a he

4:53

to people did. It. Was a great

4:55

so to be involved in a i mean is

4:57

the first time I kind of had any and

4:59

i noticed my thought of be funny but for

5:01

me use first half a kind of in fact

5:03

I had a any type of like weekly school

5:06

you know me like the boy Go to training

5:08

every week and and you've got a game on

5:10

the Sunday and and you've done well but then

5:12

you gotta do well again and you got better

5:14

your last one in in life happens in the

5:16

photos. Love that led many things that took away

5:19

from me for one is being that was great

5:21

does look away from it is that the minutes

5:23

on the as to. Why couldn't do something?

5:26

Like. They would show me to move on the

5:28

Monday and I just look Abbott and I'll I'll be

5:30

like there's no way, Little, There's no way. And

5:32

you know, but little by little bit we got

5:34

near him by the end that a week with

5:36

performed live in front of you know, However

5:39

many thousands or millions I will

5:41

watch in and time. So it

5:43

was absolutely mental mental. And I

5:45

love Daves. A great experience at

5:48

an animal husbandry. Millions wait for

5:50

a friend is emitted What you

5:52

know? Macys. Fantastic. It. Was

5:54

it was Mad Man is as good as new

5:56

Mad! Oh God thank all you guys didn't love

5:58

and support man has been. Been a made

6:00

an ad is at his world Cup of stuff.

6:03

Plus. You might be deserve every minute of support

6:05

Were being that we all love you I will

6:07

have any but my thank you so much oath

6:09

as I think back on the show he had

6:12

my back in the green room so it is

6:14

well everyone is so we have sought to get

6:16

this month accurate into that school breaks because I'm

6:18

aware that as well grew back now and I

6:20

we do the first one it points out of

6:22

the covered for now it's not thing destiny know

6:24

it's not have a lookalike. the next out of

6:27

would say refer to the cupboards as we've been

6:29

compared to is a wonderful animal stuff. Sports financial

6:31

Potter as loves the bathroom a man. Soil.

6:33

Bring it back on on the back of a difficult

6:36

week that sort them below. If international break it's have

6:38

been the didn't season. I. Will you might? firstly?

6:41

Good. Attitude was the game

6:43

last night. kids. Are

6:45

messages was Gladiators. And

6:47

you sit, know what you think he says

6:49

he says it's asking acoustic this morning when

6:51

you put them on their. Insta

6:54

li there's federal might. Have

6:57

voted for Gladiators advocacy of off

6:59

the field I feel awful lot

7:01

slowly and horrible the celebs. On.

7:03

Saturday with now. He. T

7:06

V T V stalls an Iraqi

7:08

and so yeah got out of

7:10

things and last night I sat

7:12

there listening to them saying about

7:14

the crying out for some sort

7:16

of. Playmates when the middle

7:18

of the park and as he said that this

7:20

guy could James Madison. So saying that. Know.

7:22

Gang single minute anything thing. And.

7:24

They some the he could do a job here. That.

7:31

England vs. I do have need much pleasure

7:33

might so as a present Love and again

7:35

we come to at Software Blue. We are

7:37

just in the midst of like sick and

7:39

over now didn't settle bright overseas to a

7:41

few games to run this week and have

7:43

a seat. Facts Watching the problem. With.

7:45

losing to com on saturdays a lot going on

7:47

around spurs i'm i'm okay more time bring you

7:49

a law that you're in the show but i'm

7:52

wouldn't be what we didn't reflect back on again

7:54

nothing what's the money's been a tricky international break

7:56

even away spurs when into it and that's all

7:58

i know if you're lucky Look, I mean,

8:00

we took a severe hit, I

8:02

thought the Saturdays ago, of course, with that crushing defeat to

8:05

Fulham. And it was just six

8:07

days on from what was the incredible,

8:09

probably, performance of the season for many

8:11

against Aston Villa, which, you know, for

8:13

Tottenham, they go and be Aston Villa

8:15

4-0, they go and lose to Fulham

8:17

three-n-all-the-week after. Many would say that's classic

8:19

Tottenham. And I know many felt the

8:21

Aston Villa display really showed a maturity

8:23

about Tottenham, the fact that it looked

8:25

like this young team were really coming

8:27

of age. I think what

8:29

that Fulham result showed us, like many have

8:31

seen over the course of the

8:33

season, that if the young side, there will

8:35

be inconsistencies, there will be bad days at

8:37

the office, and that was another representation, really,

8:40

of that day itself. So, how

8:42

do you feel at the moment, given the current form, that result

8:44

obviously means Spurs are only three points separating

8:47

the sides as it stands. Spurs do have

8:49

that game in hand, but thoughts overall as

8:51

on the current form of Tottenham and how

8:53

you feel about this business end of the

8:55

season? Yeah,

8:57

I was like, after the Villa game, I was like,

8:59

right, everyone's back, we're

9:01

back, we're fit, you

9:04

know, everyone knows what they've got to do now. Amazing

9:07

performance against Villa, you know, controlled the

9:09

game from start to finish, you

9:12

know, well, it didn't control it, but we're pretty good. I

9:15

thought, right, OK, you know, Fulham, we

9:17

were playing before Villa,

9:19

so you've got an amazing opportunity,

9:22

there are decent teams. I think

9:24

that annoyed me the most, actually, was afterwards

9:26

listening to Son's interview, then

9:28

if you listen to it, he basically

9:30

almost semi-admitted some of

9:32

the stuff that Larese used to say a

9:35

few years ago, we've got to prepare better

9:37

for these games and be, you know, mentally

9:39

better, and you're sitting again, really? So

9:42

you're admitting that you weren't

9:44

prepared or you thought it was going to be easy,

9:48

or you thought it was going to be a walk in the park,

9:50

or you thought... I thought that

9:52

had sort of gone a bit, because we

9:54

haven't really seen that under-ange, like we've seen

9:57

like they're not placed so well in some

9:59

games and... and stuff like that,

10:01

which is fine, but the Fulham game

10:03

was just, you know, they

10:06

outworked us and out fought us in

10:08

every department for most of the game,

10:11

forget tactics and all of that. You

10:13

know, they just sort of wanted it more and you

10:16

were like, I can't really, that

10:18

was a bit of really, the only big, I'm

10:22

a Germanian optimist, my

10:24

only hope

10:26

is, again, I'm going back a

10:29

little bit, under Conte a similar thing happened, and

10:31

I'm hoping this is a massive wake up call

10:33

where they're like, right, we've got, I don't know

10:35

how many games left, it's 10 games left. Every

10:38

game's a top final, no matter

10:41

what, it's unacceptable and this

10:43

is how we have to be. That's the

10:45

only hope that can come out of it,

10:47

because there's no excuses now, we've got every

10:49

single player back, everyone's fit, you know,

10:51

we have obviously one little injury, but you know, the

10:54

main bulk of the team is literally there. The bench

10:56

was really strong again against Fulham,

10:59

so the whole thing

11:01

was just so frustrating. And at no point

11:03

did it change. You

11:06

know, sometimes you play badly in the first half, which we

11:08

have recently and then done well in the second half, but

11:11

like nothing changed in terms of the level of

11:13

the performance all throughout the game.

11:18

You sort of, I don't want to say this, but

11:20

you think Luton is almost like a

11:22

sort of ideal game that you want, but it

11:24

could not be Luton, and you'd like to

11:26

think in a big pitch, big open pitch, if

11:30

they come out, you know, but every

11:32

game's a top final now, as they say, isn't it now? That's

11:35

what I want to hear, Ed. Every game's a top final, we've thought of

11:37

really good words. That is... I don't want to

11:39

hear that, don't we? You can't go blind there. Well, yeah, maybe it's

11:42

not. Maybe it's not. Every game

11:44

is a completely, nothing game, a completely

11:46

irrelevant one that no one cares about.

11:49

Every game's a third round cup, don't say third

11:51

round. Everyone's going to say fourth round. Nice Championship

11:53

team. No, let's move on from that one. Ha

11:56

ha ha! Rex, I'm going to bring you to Vakad. Just echo

11:59

those words, Adam, said... about Sonny. Sonny after the

12:01

game actually said, he didn't hold back, very disappointed,

12:03

very frustrated, everyone has to look in the mirror

12:05

and say it's my fault, it was not good

12:07

enough. We didn't put the effort in we have

12:09

put in during the season, the performance, the attitude

12:11

was not good enough, everyone needs to say this

12:13

is a big wake up call and in the

12:15

Premier League if you're not ready you get punished.

12:18

Aston Villa are an amazing team, but so are

12:20

Fulham in many different ways. If you're not given

12:22

100% including me, you're going to get punished.

12:25

If you don't get the points, what you don't get the

12:27

points for free, we have to put a lot of effort

12:29

in to get the free points because Aston Villa, this

12:31

was two backward steps, we now need to

12:33

make sure we're strong, put that step forward,

12:35

it was unacceptable including me, we're representing the

12:37

Premier League, we're representing Tottenham Hotspur. It was

12:39

big words there from Sonny after the game.

12:41

I just wonder, Rick, we're hopefully going to

12:43

be a flip, we're nearly a fortnight on

12:45

now from that, we've got 10 crucial games

12:47

left of the season. I mean, Rick did

12:50

that, defeat come as a real surprise to

12:52

you all. As I said going back to

12:54

what I said earlier, these are

12:56

traits of a young team trying to find

12:58

consistency under a new manager, a new

13:00

style and unfortunately I know many won't be

13:02

hearing me saying this, but I do think

13:04

these results are going to happen and the

13:06

struggles we were after the game in our

13:09

post-match show, I think again, period of reflection

13:11

tells you that, you know, that's

13:13

probably the first time this season, Rick, that we

13:15

haven't actually shown up and I said the same

13:18

after the game. It was really the first time

13:20

that ultimately we didn't reach the manner or levels

13:22

that we've been used to. So, Rick, how do

13:24

you feel we are going into now these crucial

13:27

final 10 games of the season? Well,

13:30

I mean, the result was a surprise to me,

13:32

but I think that's credit to Antiposococlo, you and

13:34

the side and how much progression that there has

13:36

been in this side that we expected, even though

13:39

we had a poor first half, that we expected

13:41

there to be a reaction, we expected there to

13:43

be a fight back and we expected to win

13:45

it in extra time because we've done it so

13:47

many other times and I think that that's credit

13:50

to the boys. I think that

13:52

this defeat was,

13:55

the only one that was as bad as this

13:57

defeat was the last Fulham game in the League

13:59

Cup. right at the beginning of the season. You

14:02

know, the rest of the defeat, I think

14:04

we can take because we've always had a

14:06

fighting chance. We've always put our best foot

14:08

forward. We've always gone out on our shield,

14:10

and we can appreciate that as supporters. We

14:12

can appreciate that when we see our team

14:14

going out there to give everything. And even

14:16

though it's a losing cause, they're still going

14:18

for it, and they're still believing in this

14:20

new ethos and this new mentality, you know?

14:22

And this is what Angie is trying to

14:24

bring in. This season has

14:26

been like a long kind of

14:29

preparation for an exam, almost like a

14:32

GCSE. Those first 10 games

14:34

were like, you know, the best revision and the

14:36

best coursework you could do. It was all up

14:38

to date, and every time you was getting an

14:40

A. And then there was those middle 18 games

14:42

where we had people that were out, teachers that

14:44

were off, we had sub-teachers. We didn't have our

14:47

class books, you know what I mean? We was

14:49

writing on A4 paper, and it was handing it

14:51

in, and we never got our homework back. There

14:53

was a ton of things that happened where it

14:56

really kind of tested our squad, tested

14:58

that mentality. But the best

15:00

thing that happened in that time was it

15:02

kind of showed us that our second string,

15:04

11, were

15:08

going for the same

15:10

mentality. They were going for the same goals. They

15:12

were still pushing forward. They're still trying to play

15:14

the same way, which we haven't seen in our

15:16

second team, or, you know,

15:18

when we rest the majority of the first team.

15:21

So, I mean, we've played in that middle

15:23

time, you know, Davies and Royale at Centreback.

15:25

And, you know, yes, we lost a few,

15:27

but we also won a few of those.

15:30

And we saw some good performances from those

15:32

two at the back at times, you know?

15:34

They kept us in games at times. And

15:37

this last 10 games right now, with

15:39

all of the boys back together, I

15:41

think it's a great loss. It's

15:44

such a positive loss, because we

15:46

went in there and we expected things to

15:48

happen for us without us going

15:50

to work. And that's like a

15:52

mock exam. And you've done, you Know

15:55

the answer. You Know exactly what the answer is,

15:57

but you didn't revise the night before. The

16:00

was so confident that you didn't need to

16:02

and in come up to any lie. I

16:04

can't remember that word weibo I because you

16:06

didn't work if you would have what you

16:08

would have had a and would have been

16:10

so simple. So right now I think the

16:12

that last as com almost like that is

16:14

shaken the squad off the lock and I'm

16:16

glad that right now that we have a

16:18

captain and a manager with hot and honesty

16:20

running through the those that didn't dust leadership

16:22

right and what Lenny said what Sony said

16:24

right there you know and is a leadoff

16:27

leave for both of them lead by example

16:29

but a leap other. Words as well They

16:31

all boko. They do play out of it

16:33

but they are on is something that we

16:35

can all agree with. When they say something

16:37

and they state with holiday say because they

16:39

love the club to A because they want

16:41

us to all to be happy and of

16:43

each year and at the end of the

16:45

season about something and they know how much

16:47

it means look a lot-running fruit or date

16:49

these things are changing you. We know how

16:51

to feel it was at the end of

16:53

the season last season you know and and

16:55

A we didn't know what everything was guiding right

16:57

now we have a direction that will go

16:59

in Iran However, manager. And us and the

17:01

captain and the leadership group that that that

17:03

that the core of them is hop and

17:05

honesty. The having to defeat like this could

17:07

be the best letter for all of them

17:10

says hey com lou and to take on

17:12

was does take on the like did not

17:14

have forest without Those teams can be overlooked

17:16

right now you gotta go to what can

17:18

you got show with because now you'll be

17:20

lost in game that exam Mrs what did

17:22

you eat at the the for you gonna

17:25

go for all your different subjects the you

17:27

know your thigh and your mavs your english

17:29

you got we're. Different subjects right up until that

17:31

last game of the season. So right now about

17:33

how they put a stop stop had a go

17:35

to work and how they react to this was

17:38

one thing I do know is that they they

17:40

they come to work when have made a mistake.

17:42

They. Go to what you look at the car

17:44

you look at Romero with the yellow causing the

17:46

an erect causing some of that they go to

17:48

what you see them adapting if he didn't change

17:50

in. You. Know this style and

17:53

and trying to make those mistake

17:55

the A making a. list

17:57

of a chance of being a mistake and more

17:59

that in a lesson so that they can learn from

18:01

it. So I think we're in a good place. Did

18:06

you plan the revision section analogy?

18:08

I thought it was better. No, no. I

18:10

just thought of it then. We're

18:16

a young team. I don't think we're a young team. Do

18:20

you think we're a young team? I think it's average age

18:22

of 25, 26, I believe. We've

18:25

got Vaccario who's

18:27

new. You

18:30

don't even in terms of manager and being together.

18:38

Age-wise and experience, I actually don't think.

18:41

Yeah, not so much, but we do have

18:43

young players. But I think we're in our

18:45

infancy as a side. Yeah, as a team,

18:47

in our infancy, as a manager,

18:50

we're like a new team. We're not young, I

18:52

don't think, are we? Well, again,

18:55

it's an interesting debate. Listen, the reality is, as you said, I don't

18:57

think it's 7 or 8 new players being

19:01

embedded into a squad and ultimately they're being thrust into

19:03

the first. Mack, I want to bring you in because

19:05

I'll get your thoughts over where we stand in terms

19:07

of the progress at the moment. But one

19:10

of the assertions that is certainly grating on

19:12

our end is this narrative that is most

19:14

certainly in the English Premier League

19:16

as opposed to where he's managed before is this

19:18

thing around top four. I mean,

19:20

you can see after every presser, he absolutely hates

19:22

being thrown the narrative around what does that

19:24

mean in terms of the top four. The top

19:27

four, you can see he's getting really frustrated by

19:29

it. And he bit back after that Fulham game

19:31

and said, look, I don't see Fulham as the

19:33

prize. The come and finish Fulham before, it's

19:35

finished second before, it's reached the Champions League final.

19:38

He can throw all these things at it. But

19:40

Fulham is not my end goal. And he

19:42

made it very, very clear because I think there

19:44

has been that, certainly, as you

19:46

know, from previous players that have

19:49

been here, Conte, Mourinho, Pochettino, that

19:52

top four is ultimately a big

19:54

factor for Tottenham as a club. I

19:56

think there's been those who got that under Daniel Levy,

19:58

the realistic thing has been. obviously with the stadium,

20:00

the importance of having Champions League and the fact that

20:03

he makes it very clear for him, he doesn't want

20:05

to finish top four, he says if you haven't grown

20:07

and the bit of the team then

20:09

top four means absolutely nothing to me

20:12

and I think what he really regards

20:14

success is the fact of the development and

20:17

growth of the team as opposed to finishing

20:19

fourth. So I mean your thoughts on that

20:21

Maca, his response to that and ultimately where

20:23

we are in your mind in terms of

20:26

the current form guide going into these final

20:28

10 games of the season. Yeah

20:32

I mean massively

20:35

disappointing bit of full game, I'm still

20:37

not over it, it's annoying me

20:40

and I think it's the same with all of us

20:42

you know from the Spurs point of view but you've

20:44

got to put some context wrapped around it so all

20:47

the people that want to go and just bring me

20:49

up, here we go you've got a nice opportunity to

20:51

go and just bring me up if you want, at

20:53

Lee McQueen on X, here we go because

20:55

here's the Spurs context right, we

20:58

are unbeaten this season against

21:01

Liverpool United twice

21:03

by the way, Arsenal and City,

21:05

it's just really frustrating about the

21:08

fact that we lose to

21:10

Fulham, right no, just mouthful Fulham and brilliant by

21:12

the way, we've also beat Villa

21:14

away and to be fair we lost to

21:17

Villa at home but we absolutely batter them and we should have

21:19

been falling it up before they

21:21

didn't score right, so just putting

21:23

some context around where it is, I'm

21:25

still burning, still burning from the

21:27

Fulham result but the context is

21:30

that we're unbeaten against Liverpool United

21:32

twice, Arsenal City beat Villa away

21:34

as well and actually

21:36

before that away game we had, we'd

21:39

only lost two away games all season,

21:42

we only lost two away games all season

21:44

and that was against Wolves and Bryant the

21:46

whole season, so again we need to put

21:48

some of

21:50

that context around, at the moment

21:52

because we lost against Fulham we're

21:55

still only second to Liverpool in

21:58

how many games we've lost away from home. So

22:01

just to put you out into context as well, got

22:03

the blue book out, Arsenal, City

22:05

and Tottenham have all lost three away

22:07

games a season, Liverpool have only lost

22:09

two, everyone else has lost more, four

22:12

and then you go into sixes and

22:14

sevens. Are you with me,

22:16

team? Are you with me, viewers and

22:19

listeners? Because it's really important, right, that

22:21

we react and fair enough, because football's

22:23

about passion and I've reacted as well

22:25

and I'm still seeping from the result,

22:27

right? The reality is, the context is

22:30

we've lost three games and 13 Premier

22:32

League games. That's the reality.

22:34

So people talk about going on a run.

22:37

Well, that is a run, isn't it? Like

22:39

if we only lose, what, one,

22:41

maybe two out the next 10 games, happy

22:44

days. So, you

22:47

know, I think we've got to look

22:49

at the season as a whole when

22:51

you're talking a lot about revision and,

22:53

you know, the bringing the

22:55

team into focus now

22:57

and obviously, you said right at the beginning of

22:59

the show about kind of, you know, these

23:02

bumps in the road, we all knew there was going to be bumps

23:04

in the road. It doesn't make it, when

23:07

you hit a bump in the road and

23:10

you get a blowout and you have to pull over on

23:12

the motorway, you're seeping, aren't you? You're

23:14

still, you're really annoyed and you don't want it

23:16

to happen and take ages. And like, it doesn't

23:18

make it any easier to put a bit of

23:20

bump, even though we knew it was

23:22

coming, even though we knew it was coming. But

23:25

the context around it needs to be spoken

23:27

about because I think it's so easy to

23:30

say we're flaky or we're

23:32

not this, we're not that, you know, we're not

23:34

consistent. Well, we are actually quite

23:36

consistent. We are actually quite consistent if you

23:38

think about the whole league across the bit.

23:42

We've lost seven Premier League games this year

23:44

and correct me if I'm wrong, we lost four

23:46

of them, three with the Trinity

23:49

defeat and then we lost another four or four,

23:51

didn't we, in that five games. Now,

23:53

actually, and I'm not saying you should take

23:55

them out because of course you shouldn't, but the

23:58

reality is, did anyone at that point. probably

24:00

argue Newcastle for their season, they've had nightmare, I

24:02

think Sven Bockner's just got an ACL as

24:04

well now. Did

24:07

anyone at that point, in that scenario,

24:09

have so many injuries, so many suspensions

24:11

at one time with such a brand

24:13

new manager, such a new squad? I

24:17

don't think they did, so let's be fair about it. So

24:19

you have to put it in there, but it is

24:21

a bit of an anomaly. If you did take that

24:23

and then run a consistency trial, what put you consistent?

24:26

There was fifth in the table for the

24:28

away games, with fifth in the table for

24:30

the home games, with fifth in the

24:33

table for one home in the away games. We're

24:35

fifth, that's where we're meant to be, that's where

24:37

we are, that's where we're meant to be. And

24:40

most people talking before the

24:42

season kicked off wouldn't

24:44

have put us anywhere near the top five. Lots

24:46

of pundits put us in the bottom three,

24:49

and all that sort of stuff, whatever, you

24:51

ridiculous, we're never going to be set like

24:53

that. But if we were pushing top eight,

24:55

top six maybe with big Ange, then we'd

24:57

have been saying, okay, yeah, no, that's pretty

25:00

cool. We're now in fifth, chasing

25:02

down fourth. And yes, the Fulham result

25:04

is hurting, but the village

25:06

rock points to West Ham. Straight afterwards. So

25:08

it's kind of like we got out of

25:10

jail, didn't we? We got out of jail.

25:12

So when you put all of that together,

25:15

it's really frustrating.

25:18

We lose to Fulham still seething about it,

25:21

because it's always with Tottenham, it always feels

25:23

like maybe this is us team, viewers

25:25

and listeners, maybe this is us, maybe it's not the club.

25:28

We're the ones that are putting the top four

25:30

on the club, you've just silly yourself, and don't

25:33

worry about it. You know, the media are putting

25:35

them on it, you know, everyone else is putting,

25:37

maybe Daniel Levy is putting them on it. But

25:40

why does the next 10 games have to be

25:42

a disaster, even if we win,

25:44

you know, four and lose six? But

25:47

if we're playing amazing football and

25:49

we're making progression and this team

25:51

is learning, why does it have

25:53

to be a disaster? Because it's

25:55

a disaster, because we're putting a

25:57

ceiling on where we can play.

26:00

And that's what Andrew's trying to change and that's

26:02

why I'm trying to say I'm not saying

26:04

us as in us for all the people with

26:06

your businesses, but maybe it's our fan base

26:08

because we're craving for something aren't

26:10

we? We're craving for something But

26:15

it never comes quick enough for us

26:17

and we need patience we need time

26:19

And I think that's that's the piece

26:21

of context is that we're actually pretty

26:23

consistent in a season where we sold

26:25

our best ever striker And

26:27

we've got a brand new manager in I

26:30

always go back frustrated Yeah,

26:35

the frustration there is they like

26:37

everything you say absolutely

26:39

rightly I think

26:42

it's like we were so good at the beginning of the season

26:44

when we were at full strength And then

26:46

we went to that really bad difficult patch

26:50

With all those injuries and we were a bit

26:52

inconsistent in that period and we were lost

26:55

a few games scraping together winds Not

26:57

playing great and now the last few

26:59

games or Villa everyone was back And

27:02

then we obviously hammered them for Neil and you

27:04

feel all right. We're not we're now back

27:06

to that And

27:09

then it was like the manner

27:11

of that to see off the back of it was you

27:13

were like really like I thought you

27:16

know That inconsistency had gone now. We

27:18

were fit again and just the

27:20

top four bit is interesting for me

27:22

as a fan The reason

27:24

why I love it is because the games

27:26

for me like going to the away games

27:29

like the burn about Yeah,

27:31

that's what it's about isn't it? It's not it's not

27:33

it's not that it's a holy grail for like we

27:35

should be happy with performance like Going

27:38

on a top European away day Or

27:41

even at a new stage if they're amazing

27:43

games that you want to go to Yeah,

27:46

I agree And I think you know that

27:48

is the frustration the frustration is why was

27:51

all that so similar? Why

27:53

would you so bad after such a fantastic performance?

27:55

Did we just think we could just walk up

27:57

at full and put our feet up and get

27:59

but that's what look like to us, to

28:01

us men or men mortals, that's what it looked

28:03

like, didn't it? It looked like that we just

28:05

thought, you know, and yet

28:07

we had five shots on target, that's

28:10

seven, 16, we're 15 in total,

28:12

we're more possession, better pass that because it's

28:14

them, but they played us off the park

28:16

in certain pages. We were just talking in

28:19

agreement before about the chances

28:21

that we actually had Madison one goes

28:23

wide, it's not a shot on target,

28:27

Johnson under the bar, all of a

28:29

sudden you're thinking, and said that would

28:31

have flattered us

28:34

because I think it would have, but we

28:36

did create the chances of sticking a button

28:38

in there and I still think with

28:40

this team and this set up, we're going

28:43

to give chances behind, we know that, that

28:45

is factual information, we have to score the

28:47

ones that we're creating moving forward. I think

28:49

we did that obviously very well against

28:51

Villa, but we just, that's been

28:54

our problem most of the season,

28:56

putting a ball in the back of the net and scoring

28:58

more goals. Yeah, Fulham, again this

29:00

is the context, Fulham's the first

29:02

game we haven't scored in 39

29:05

games or something ridiculous. Yeah, but

29:07

you know what Lee, that's why I think

29:11

it happened at the best time, it's happened

29:13

just before we go into the last 10

29:15

games, it's happened after Villa where we thought

29:17

we've clocked it, we've finished this game, we

29:19

know all the moves, you know what, we

29:21

don't even have to try it when we

29:23

turn up at Fulham and then they turn

29:25

up at Fulham thinking that it's just going

29:27

to happen and you know what, it's not

29:29

that their attitude was bad because they were

29:31

still running and they were still pushing, but

29:33

we did not see the click,

29:36

we did not see the reaction, it

29:38

was the poorest reaction that we've ever

29:40

seen and that's, when you think you've just

29:42

clocked the game, that's the best time

29:44

to get a wake up call right there to go, you

29:46

know what actually, we need to

29:48

go back to the basics and we need

29:50

to go back to the fundamentals of what

29:53

And is asking us to do. Every single

29:55

game that we have played poorly is because

29:57

they're backtracked on what the managers wanted to

29:59

do. Even though the manager's got to

30:01

blame for it some of the time, you've got

30:03

an IEA, he's got naive tactics, or he pushed

30:05

up too high, or this, that, and the other.

30:08

Well, at the end of the day, the team

30:10

really intrigued. If you look at those games again,

30:12

they didn't really click, or there was times when

30:14

they reverted back to a conte style, or, you

30:16

know, when there was different personnel in there as

30:18

well, they reverted back to a different mentality, or

30:20

even in just a sense of football is going,

30:22

you know what, guys, let's hold this. Let's just,

30:25

like, let's not do what the manager's asked

30:27

us to do, which is keep going, keep pushing. Go

30:29

for the kill, you know, but we're just

30:31

going to hold this now. And it's when

30:34

they've done that subconsciously that we've ended up

30:36

losing the game. Do you know what

30:38

I mean? So this is a great time for

30:40

this learning period, for this new side, for this

30:42

infant side, even though we do have experience, and

30:44

we've seen what experience has done when we've seen

30:47

Huiberg come off of the bench to

30:49

give that experience to our side at certain times

30:51

during the season. It's happening at a great time

30:53

right now for all of them to go, you

30:55

know what, we haven't got this stuff. We

30:57

haven't got this worked out. But what we do need

30:59

to do is do everything that the manager's asked us

31:01

to do, because every time we do that, we win,

31:04

and we play well, and we play with a smile

31:06

on our face. Do you know what I mean? So

31:08

that's why I think it's happened at the right time.

31:10

You know, Rick, just to stick with you, you know, again,

31:12

I mentioned it to Lee there. He's been absolutely adamant

31:14

in his mind that this top four assertion has

31:17

got nothing of any matter to him.

31:19

He's made it very, very clear from his perspective, Rick,

31:21

that, you know, ultimately for him, it's

31:23

about seeing the growth and seeing ultimately

31:25

the team in a position where next season they

31:27

can change. He said, look, because this is built

31:30

on, I think, more tangible stuff. If

31:32

we finish fifth, I think we've got a team to

31:34

change next year that I won't be disappointed in. You know,

31:36

we made this point actually in the green room that when

31:39

you look at Spurs in their recruitment,

31:41

obviously with there being no Champions League football

31:43

coming into this season, you know, Spurs have

31:45

had a couple of really good windows

31:47

to some degree. You know, you look at the

31:49

fact they've beaten, you know, some real top high-profile

31:51

clubs, suppliers, you look at the fact that Vaccaro

31:53

coming in, James Madison coming in, Mickey Van De

31:55

Ven coming in, you know, and the silent

31:57

Spurs have made, I mean, in your mind, Rick. for

32:00

you? Is Champions League everything or

32:02

do you get more pride, Rick, of

32:04

seeing this team grow going into next

32:06

season and actually more belief regardless of

32:08

where the team finish? I'm

32:12

more proud that we have something

32:15

to aim for. I'm more proud that we have an

32:17

ethos right now. I'm more proud that we have a

32:20

core right now, something that we need to achieve as

32:23

a whole club. Do you know what I

32:25

mean? What's going on right now? So when

32:27

the manager says no steel and no flaws,

32:29

this is where the mentality has

32:31

to shift even for us fans and

32:33

especially at this time. Especially at this

32:35

time with a new manager, with a

32:37

new side and everything is

32:39

still fresh right now. So

32:42

we have to be kind of like... I

32:45

didn't feel the direction that we were going

32:47

with Conte. I thought, all right, in court,

32:50

we've got to win now, manager. I'm going

32:52

to back him. I'm going to give him

32:54

everything. And then we got to Champions League

32:56

and we've done nothing. Rick, you know, I

32:59

had my most angriest show where I lost

33:01

the plot. There was no positivity. There was

33:03

no smiling. I was done

33:05

dusted. I was done and dusted after that

33:07

AC Milan game. Do you know what I

33:09

mean? Both legs. But after that second AC

33:11

Milan game, when we've got there, we've spoken about

33:13

Champions League, we've spoken about the money, spoken about the

33:16

players that we're going to get. And then we get

33:18

there and we perform like that. We don't even put

33:20

a kick in. We didn't even go for... We didn't

33:22

even... We just conceded space

33:25

and conceded defeat from minute one. And that's

33:27

what I couldn't believe. That's what I couldn't

33:29

stand. So right now we're at a different

33:31

place right now where the manager is saying,

33:33

look, top four is in a prize.

33:36

And this is where we've got to get to because we're conditioned

33:38

the same way as every

33:40

other manager and every other fan is right

33:43

now. He's come from a different league and

33:45

a different mindset where like winning is the

33:47

thing. Getting a foundation and getting a group

33:49

of players together that can win

33:51

will take us further than trying to

33:54

achieve something that if we're not

33:57

ready for it, Doesn't matter. Do You

33:59

know what I mean? I. Need a would like

34:01

you know like I do with a mirror about

34:03

a great nights out. Not guys that have been

34:05

about stuff like that. And he he

34:07

that the boss would be like great enjoy

34:09

that night out. But like I'm not

34:11

his have an eye out I'm here to with if

34:13

I'm here. I'm. Here to win the Champions

34:16

league and that myself for me to of is

34:18

this your fans and other teams is on the

34:20

but that's what I'm here to do and I

34:22

swear that shipped him as a youth coming not

34:24

only for the players but from fans as well

34:27

the kind of shift our mind right now and

34:29

the white building with seen the green shoes of

34:31

what he's trying to try to bring and once

34:33

we've we've had to successful. It

34:36

for ruff any to sit there for

34:38

a transfer windows. What happens when he

34:40

gets another summer? What happens when he

34:42

gets more more players that he won

34:45

because right now we're not signing players

34:47

on a great you tube videos or

34:49

what they've done in one game in

34:51

the Champions league right now we're by

34:54

by is that not only can fulfill

34:56

the stats and tick the boxes of

34:58

a dribble our technician already tackler were

35:00

the case may be by the integrity

35:02

of the person that they are does

35:05

that screens louder. Than anything for me

35:07

because if you go integrity with hall and

35:09

honesty going for within we've got a great

35:11

guy that cut veggies and great but us

35:13

fans with high because they've been a were

35:16

being close before and this is when frustration

35:18

comes from. You gotta remember that this is

35:20

a in this is This is a yummy

35:22

side in the sense of. Is. A

35:24

new team as and with a new manager

35:27

but we are going in the right direction

35:29

and and if we follow this path and

35:31

greatness is coming from. Like. Is common

35:33

is there. You. Know

35:35

at somebody you asked me and about

35:37

the average age you decide. Spurred.

35:40

On average age, it's at twenty

35:42

four Point Nine. Osnos average age

35:44

is twenty four Point Seven. When.

35:47

We cause I'm on basketball years ago ads

35:49

I will look at the fact when spurs

35:51

exhaust all. Circle. such a

35:53

big spotting many maybe felt that spurs

35:56

were south really on the can't say

35:58

for a really positive future as

36:00

Arsenal on the way down and you look at the

36:02

way these last couple of years have transcended and the

36:04

fact that, I don't want to again get me rolled

36:06

here, but obviously at the moment Arsenal in terms of

36:09

trajectory are in a certain position, Spurs are hopefully going

36:11

to be there very very soon. I mean it's going

36:13

back to the point I'll make you've had that for

36:15

you, you know you spoke as

36:17

a fan there, saying about the chap, you love those

36:19

away days, but taking the fan element out of it,

36:22

is it everything for Tottenham or is it looking

36:24

at that bigger picture to say if we really

36:26

go through this growth with Ange that

36:28

next season can be ultimately different, it

36:30

doesn't just come down to a league

36:32

finish in the here of European football

36:34

we're playing in. I mean I think,

36:38

I don't know, so

36:40

for me looking at

36:42

the season now if I'm sitting here now, how,

36:44

I mean taking

36:46

the context of where we came from last

36:48

season, we saw Kane, you know,

36:51

it was a disaster etc

36:53

and it was like, you know, everyone's going

36:55

to hang themselves and

36:57

stuff, you know, this

36:59

season has been brilliant

37:02

and so much more enjoyable, however

37:04

in the cold light

37:07

of day, whether it's said

37:09

publicly by Ange or not, if

37:11

we didn't finish in the top four, I

37:14

think it'd be a failure this season

37:16

from where we started the season and the fact

37:18

that we did so well for that 10 games

37:20

and we were unbeaten and we were top of

37:23

the league, I think to finish fifth or sixth

37:26

I think would be a decent amount

37:28

of progress by actually thinking it would be

37:30

a failure, not

37:32

a failure, but I don't think it

37:34

would be, I think we

37:37

should finish in the top four, I think we're good

37:39

enough and we've proved that in enough games, it's not

37:41

the be all and end all no, you

37:44

know, and you know to an extent

37:46

is, if you look

37:48

at the financials of Spurs over the past few

37:50

years, we're in a pretty strong position now with

37:52

the new financial fair play rules that have come

37:55

in, the players that we're buying at the minute,

37:57

there seems to be a much

37:59

better you know, way

38:02

in which we're going about it, buying the right

38:04

players that fit into a system that the manager

38:07

wants, you know, the right

38:09

players, right price. I don't

38:11

think whether we're in the Champions League or not,

38:13

that's going to make a difference with the players

38:15

that we get, because I don't

38:17

think we're going to, you know, we're never

38:19

going to be the team that's going to

38:21

go and spend 90 million on a proven

38:23

player who's playing in the Champions League when

38:25

we're competing for them against Liverpool, Man City

38:28

and Chelsea. That's not where we're going to

38:30

be. So, and I think, you know,

38:32

you did make the reference to the other team

38:34

in North London and Lee was shaking his head

38:36

and I agreed. But what it does show is

38:39

if you get a couple of good, and we've

38:41

shown it this season, you get

38:43

two or three key signings right,

38:46

it transforms you. This

38:48

season was the first season we

38:50

bought players into the starting 11

38:54

that significantly improved the team. I can't

38:56

remember that happening. I mean, that could

38:58

have been in Benzinca, but we

39:01

haven't done it for years. We've bought players

39:03

that have been almost squad players or let's

39:05

see if they're going to be good. So,

39:07

so, you know, if we came to fit

39:09

and bought three more players of the quality

39:11

of Madison, Van de Venen and Doggy and

39:13

so on, then I think we would definitely

39:15

kick on. Absolutely. But sitting

39:18

here now with 10, whatever

39:20

game it is to go from where

39:22

we've been on this season, from

39:25

where we started and actually how good we

39:28

are as a team and Lee pumped out

39:30

the stats on who we've beaten the top

39:32

team, how many we've lost to, we

39:35

should be finishing in the top four. And

39:37

that's not to say that is the be

39:39

on an end all and absolutely it should

39:41

be the start of a journey under this

39:43

manager to bigger and better things. But

39:46

as I said, as a fan, for me, you

39:49

know, you want to go, I

39:51

want to go, I want to go, I want to see us

39:53

play in Europe. I want to see us playing, you

39:55

know, Dortmund, Bayern, Munich, Madrid, all of

39:58

those at Madison. the new stadium. I

40:00

don't want to go into the Europa

40:02

League and watch us play 84 games

40:05

against teams I've never ever heard of.

40:08

And then get knackered and tired and

40:10

then get severely knocked out. I'd rather like

40:12

to be able to group games and stuff

40:14

like that. I hear you. I don't

40:16

think for me I would say on that for me, I just think,

40:19

like I said, if we're going to be in Europe, to

40:21

me it doesn't make a huge amount of difference in terms

40:24

of what competition I mean. Now the argument thing is I

40:26

would say that I might be traveling on many away days

40:28

if there's maybe a difference there. And ultimately as well, the

40:30

fact that I think Europa League is a much more, in

40:32

my mind, I agree with you saying there will still be

40:34

some tough things in the Europa League. I think the top

40:37

match is a much more winnable competition where, for

40:39

the first time in a long, long time,

40:42

you've actually got to imagine that would take it seriously.

40:44

I'm not saying Mourinho didn't take

40:46

it seriously. I'm not saying Conte would

40:48

have not taken Europa League seriously. But you

40:51

look at the way we treated the conference league, almost like it

40:53

was almost a blooding in a youngster's to the

40:55

point that we got to school up on. No one really

40:57

cared if we'd been on this review where I think under

41:00

edge, I think because of the nature of it, he's had

41:02

to work his way up. I think there would be the

41:05

ultimate respect of whatever

41:08

European competition Spurs would be in. Now I

41:10

just feel Europa League, the

41:12

reward of that, of course, is if you win it,

41:14

you get champions league football. But for a club that

41:16

is absolutely starving at trophies. And I know many don't

41:18

need me to tell you how we waited for a

41:21

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41:23

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41:25

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41:27

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41:29

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41:32

good go. And again, you just sort of bring up

41:34

a Roman Cubs into it. It's even West Ham, they've

41:36

got to a quarterfinal, I think back to back over

41:38

the last couple of years. The S1 has been

41:40

a conference league, but they have got to, I think,

41:42

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41:45

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41:47

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41:49

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43:58

there's been lots with the style of

44:00

play. I think what's been very much

44:03

knowledgeable is the fact that the first 10 games

44:05

to some degree were all blown off our

44:07

feet. But I think even those 10

44:09

games in, there were warning

44:11

signs there that not everything was fantastic

44:13

and glowing. And there was

44:15

moments in all of those 10 games where

44:17

really opposition had their opportunities and Spurs to

44:19

some degree, they wrote their luck, they had

44:22

opportunities. And I just want to bring back

44:24

to you a few stats up about Spurs'

44:26

overall transformation around in terms of their pressing.

44:28

This is courtesy of Sky Sports, I think

44:30

it's that. And Lee, look, what I

44:32

first want to say is that Spurs are four

44:34

points better off than this stage last season. Look,

44:37

we're under no illusions. The man himself said it's

44:39

going to take time to get everything

44:41

he wants. But I think this stat

44:43

here tells you about everything in relation

44:45

to last season and this

44:47

season about the unrecognisable approach in

44:49

terms of Spurs' pressing. Now, up

44:51

to the advanced metrics for our

44:54

watching audience, we're displaying a graphic

44:56

here that shows the pressing being

44:58

transformed under Ange Postokoglou. Now,

45:00

look, Spurs, they've moved three metres

45:02

higher up the pitch this season,

45:04

the biggest increase by any Premier

45:06

League side. And they've changed the

45:08

presser season star car. Last time

45:10

they ranked bottom for higher turnovers.

45:12

This time they ranked top. I

45:14

mean, even extraordinary transformation, Spurs have

45:16

become an entirely different proposition. And

45:19

it also is worth noting that the identities of

45:21

the teams around them in the rankings are also

45:23

laid out in there too. Lee,

45:25

your thoughts on that? Because there's some interesting stats

45:27

there. You look at the start distance, previous

45:30

season was 40.4 metres. This

45:33

season, 43.6. You've got high

45:35

turnovers in this, Spurs are up, they've got 300. Pretty

45:38

much every graphic Spurs have vetted or

45:41

improved. What's your takeaways for you, Maca,

45:43

in that transformation of the press under

45:45

Ange? I love

45:47

it. I'm in a blue book heaven

45:49

here with, I'm absolutely loving this stat,

45:51

son. Come on, the graphics, the stats.

45:54

I mean, look, you mentioned there that with four points

45:57

better off than last season. But

46:00

there's a couple of other key things

46:02

around that as well. We've lost two

46:04

less games than last season as well,

46:06

when you put into that. Last season,

46:08

sorry, this season, we've scored 59 goals

46:10

in the league. Last season, we scored

46:13

52 at the same point. And

46:16

so, you know, that attacking piece, that

46:18

press piece, that high turnover piece that

46:21

everybody, from the viewer's perspective, can

46:23

see on screen now, and obviously for the listeners, you

46:25

just read it out, it's

46:27

bearing fruit. This is

46:29

what we wanted. We wanted a completely

46:32

different, well, maybe not everybody, let's be

46:34

fair, but the majority of Spurs fans,

46:36

we have thousands and thousands and thousands

46:38

of people downloading the show every single

46:40

week, which we're so grateful for. And

46:42

when we get feedback from them, when

46:45

we talk to people in and around,

46:47

stadium, wherever, the majority of

46:49

people said to us, they wanted to change the

46:52

way that we play football. And

46:54

we've done that in such a short space of time.

46:57

I think the disappointment, Rick, really

47:00

comes from these next three

47:02

stats, there are a few stats I'm going to

47:04

read out, because on paper, which is always dangerous,

47:06

always dangerous team, we know that, viewers and listeners,

47:08

it's dangerous, but we all do it. We all

47:11

map it out on our paper or whatever it

47:13

is, and pick the team and all that sort

47:15

of stuff, just to find another fair. But

47:17

on paper, if I'd have said to you,

47:20

at the beginning of the season, with Garden

47:22

of Savage and all the new players, and

47:24

no Kane and whatever, if I'd have given

47:26

you Wolves, Fulham, White, Wolves,

47:29

Chelsea, Villa, what's that?

47:33

You probably would have said, maybe

47:36

the Chelsea game's a problem, but we'll take three

47:38

points out of the rest of them. And

47:40

I've just read out all of our seven defeats. And

47:43

that's the problem. I haven't read out

47:45

Liverpool, haven't read out United twice, haven't

47:47

read out Arsenal, haven't read out City.

47:50

Do you see what I'm coming from? This

47:52

is the problem, the disappointment that comes

47:54

from is because on paper, we

47:56

should be, and like you just said, no Dubai might

47:59

get the Champions League. and someone in the comments said

48:01

no, the buyer might get any fixtures, but on

48:03

paper we should be beating walks. We should be

48:05

beating full, we should be beating buying, we should

48:07

be beating worse now. Football

48:10

don't work like that, does it team? See how I'm

48:12

coming for them. So I just think, I think that's

48:14

the disappointment that Adam spot on earlier when he said,

48:17

we go to Villa, who were quite Barcelona, by

48:19

the way, the week before, and

48:22

we smash them 4-0, and then we cut

48:24

it. This isn't an

48:26

Ang thing or a players thing, I

48:29

don't know what it is, a board thing, a

48:31

fans thing, this just happens so many times, right?

48:33

Exactly, we can all it in the head, it's

48:35

a mentality thing. We've just locked up

48:37

with a cup of coffee and a beer, and gone, yeah,

48:40

we'll turn it over, but then we didn't do it. And

48:42

we've done it so many times in the past. How many

48:44

fixtures can you think of when you think you might want

48:46

to run it, and we can do this and it doesn't

48:48

happen? And that, for

48:51

me, is a frustrating bit, that for me is a

48:53

worry. Why isn't that kicked out of us yet? Or

48:55

is it kicked out of us? And this is just

48:57

the bumps in the road that we talked about before

48:59

and we'll get over it. Because when you look at

49:02

the team, from the hangovers, from

49:04

the pass and all that, the

49:06

same goalkeeper, the same goalkeeper, the left-back's

49:08

different, the right-back's different, the two centre-backs

49:10

are pretty different, and the holding midfielders

49:12

are different, the attacking midfielder, the lock

49:15

picker that we won in the show,

49:17

is different, do you know what I mean? Your

49:20

number eight is different, the two wingers are different,

49:22

essentially. Yeah, and the only person

49:24

you've... Your number nine is for calling

49:26

someone, he's the only one that's been at

49:28

the club for that long period of time. And that

49:30

age range you just went at, 24.9, that's incredible.

49:34

That is a young side, to be fair,

49:36

isn't it? Let's be frank about it. Not

49:38

only young in age, but also young in,

49:41

as Richard, putting them all together. So it's

49:43

just frustrating that you look on paper, you

49:45

look at them fixtures, and obviously, Chelsea's Chelsea,

49:47

they give us a bad time of whatever

49:50

happens. But the rest of them fixtures that

49:52

we've lost, you would have put, if

49:54

you're betting people, you'd have put money on us winning them

49:56

games, and we lost them. Gosh,

49:59

you guys, just... simulation to Van de

50:01

Ven. This is again for viewers

50:03

that listen on audio. We're putting up

50:05

a static that shows Spurs women without

50:07

Mickey Van de Ven starting in all competitions

50:11

for 23-24. With him we've played 20 games

50:13

without, 11, suppose we've had 12 wins with

50:15

Mickey, 5 without,

50:17

we've had 5 draws, 1 loss

50:20

and then respectively we've had 3 losses with

50:22

Mickey, 5 without. In terms of that as

50:25

a win percentage, with Mickey Van de

50:27

Ven in the side Spurs we've got a

50:29

win rate of 60%, without Mickey Van

50:31

de Ven we've got a win rate

50:33

of 45%. I just want

50:36

to ask you, Rick, if I can, because one

50:38

of the glaring things that have come

50:40

out of the season is just how good

50:42

Mickey Van de Ven is. I think we've

50:44

seen it clocked up the mileage that is

50:46

ultimately as many as described, as far as

50:48

Usain Bolt over a sprint. He's

50:51

an incredible pace he sets it back. Again,

50:53

I'm sure he's got their eyes on the

50:55

fact of just how amazing this guy is

50:57

taking to life in north London. Rick,

51:00

do you have a concern that, again, it was

51:02

only Dragon Sheens debut against the women, so don't go too

51:04

hard on him, I've seen some again, really outrageous things pointed

51:06

against the guy, you know, he's coming for a first

51:09

start at Tottenham, hasn't really had a genuine run of

51:11

the team. Have you got a concern

51:13

with Mickey Van de Ven not being in the

51:15

Tottenham side that we are significantly weaker? I

51:19

mean, yes and no, Rick. The

51:21

thing is with Mickey Van de Ven, all

51:24

right, when we were linked with

51:26

him, I was looking at Tapsober at the

51:28

same time. I wanted the both of them.

51:30

I wanted Tapsober and Mickey Van de Ven

51:32

if we could make that happen. But in

51:34

my mind's eye, I saw Tapsober as the

51:36

starting centre back and Mickey as the

51:38

one that grew because he was younger and

51:41

etc, etc. Mickey's come in and

51:43

he's totally blown my mind about

51:46

not just his pace. His pace

51:48

is the thing that will get

51:50

him highlighted. But his strength, his

51:53

maturity, his intelligence, his breaking the

51:55

lines, his through balls, he's a

51:57

gem. Like

52:00

we have found a real piece of

52:02

gold right here in Mickey Band of

52:04

Ben. And right now we're seeing, especially

52:06

in the games that he plays and

52:08

then in the games that he can't

52:10

play through injury, or whatever

52:12

the case may be, how good

52:14

this boy is right now and how good

52:16

he could be. So that's a one-off for

52:19

me. I haven't seen somebody with all of

52:21

those attributes that are so high, you

52:23

know, and especially playing the way

52:25

that Ayns plays and that we play right

52:27

now. He is so

52:29

pivotal to that defensive line because

52:31

his pace is going to get

52:33

us out of trouble nine times

52:35

out of ten. Not only that,

52:37

he's intelligent enough to time a

52:39

tackle, not just put in a

52:41

Sergio Regulon tackle. Sergio

52:44

Regulon would go down the wing and he

52:46

would do it at a time that you

52:48

think that it needs to be done. And

52:50

at that point, someone like Zaha would cut

52:53

inside, leave him sliding on the

52:55

floor and then maneuver into the

52:57

box for an opportunity. Mickey Band of

52:59

Ben knows when to time a tackle. He

53:01

reads the game so well. And I think

53:03

he's a bit of a one-off. I think

53:05

he's a really special player right now. So

53:07

we're always going to miss him when he's

53:09

not playing. But what is really

53:12

good is that we've got somebody like Dragostin who

53:14

can come in. But right now, Fulham,

53:17

that was his first start. He

53:19

had maybe just a half

53:21

against Villa, didn't he? And he's

53:24

a very intelligent boy. He comes

53:26

from a great school. Look at

53:28

the scouting that we've been doing

53:31

over the last two seasons. What teams were

53:33

linked with him. I believe

53:35

that there is a great player

53:37

in Dragostin. But it was

53:39

his first game and learning how to read

53:43

the game in a game scenario in

53:45

the Premier League, how pacey it is,

53:47

how relentless it is, how it doesn't

53:49

wait for you. I thought his

53:51

first half was really strong. Him, Romero, Vicario

53:53

were my first half men of the match.

53:56

The second half, as the game wore on,

53:58

I think it was a good start. he

54:00

got more tired or he started

54:03

feeling the burn in the premiership and

54:05

he started to recognize. The same way

54:07

that Poro had a bad first debut

54:11

and learned the lessons and then put

54:13

it into action and we're starting to

54:15

see the real Poro is the same

54:17

thing that I think will happen to

54:19

Dragstream. We're building a squad right now

54:21

of really good young talented professionals that

54:23

can go out there and not do

54:25

the same job but bring something new

54:27

to the party. So, you know, Dragstream

54:30

brings these strengths. He also has a good

54:32

path on him but

54:35

we haven't seen anything of him. We've

54:37

just seen him sprint off the starting line

54:39

and then stop. So the more minutes

54:41

that he gets, the more quality that we

54:44

will see why he's been brought into

54:46

the fight. And the fact that we also

54:48

moved out someone like Dyer, listen, Dyer

54:50

great servant to the club and stuff like

54:52

that and we've spoken about him many

54:54

a time before but like we took him

54:56

out of the equation and we brought

54:58

Dragstream in to be that,

55:02

that new center back that can play

55:04

the Andway. So I have faith that

55:07

if he's starting, then he will

55:09

get there. Do you know what I mean? Like, okay,

55:11

it was his first game, but he will get there.

55:13

I think that those mistakes that he

55:15

made in the game, especially in the second half,

55:17

I think that he's another one that really assesses

55:19

his own game. If you've read anything about him

55:21

and his character, he's one that really assesses his

55:23

game and wants to be the best that he

55:25

can possibly be. He wants to be a starter.

55:28

He doesn't want to be the third man at

55:30

Tottenham. He wants to be a starter, but he

55:32

believes that he will get there. And by doing

55:34

what he does by assisting

55:36

his own game, I think he will get there.

55:38

And I think it's a really positive thing that

55:40

we've got something new to come into the party

55:42

rather than just relying on a band event. Yeah,

55:45

I totally agree with you about Dragstream. He's a guy

55:47

that's ultimately backed himself that he knows he won't get

55:49

first team football. He's got to really fight for that and

55:51

really take his opportunities when they come. And

55:53

I get a young pair that ultimately will keep on growing in the

55:56

Spurs shirt. I don't want to ask you about one player

55:58

that, you know what, I feel like she's- just

56:00

not quite sure what's happened to him. I

56:03

mean the first 10 games he was highly

56:05

influential in the way Spurs approached those

56:07

opening 10. I think you probably all

56:09

know that I'm going to be pointing

56:11

towards Pusuma here. We had a report

56:13

during the international break that he's really

56:15

frustrated about he was left out of

56:17

Mali's later squad. Sort of from

56:20

what we understand he underfunded the country's FA on

56:22

the Instagram and social media and you know again

56:24

I think it's worth me pointing out that he

56:27

was not among that 28 players squad announced

56:29

by their Federation for the Masters International was

56:31

against Maraschano on Friday and

56:33

Nigeria on the 26th. I mean look he

56:35

struggled for gain time during the African Cup

56:37

of Nations. His work was going to be suggesting

56:39

and pointing out that he did have malaria

56:41

there was a period of out of illness

56:43

there and look reality is coaches come out and

56:45

said like many players he deserves to be selected it

56:48

just is a choice right now. In my system at

56:50

the moment there's a players who right now I need

56:52

to be called upon and those who are slightly safer

56:54

that doesn't mean they won't be called again but apparently

56:57

he's become really frustrated by that situation of

56:59

not being selected but there's no doubt about it

57:02

that he's not been the same player that we saw in

57:04

the opening 10 games. I mean was

57:08

in hindsight as those first

57:10

10 games I don't know

57:12

a real exaggeration of Pusuma's

57:15

quality or is there something

57:17

that doesn't he hasn't been right dating

57:20

back I would say to being sent

57:22

up against Luton which actually is

57:24

when that period of 10 games

57:26

came towards the end and with the

57:28

Chelsea game after so can

57:30

you put your finger on as what has happened

57:32

to Pusuma and whether we will ever get back

57:35

that player we saw in that

57:37

first period of season under Rans that quite

57:39

frankly I think we would all said if

57:41

he carried on that trajectory of starting would

57:43

have been up there for one of the players of our season

57:46

right I mean that's also on Pusuma for you. Can

57:49

I just go back to just one thing on

57:51

the stats and the Vanda Vendis stats just one

57:53

thing the Vanda Vendis stat

57:55

about when he's played and when

57:57

he hasn't played is a good stat

58:00

But equally Van de Ven got injured at the

58:02

same time everybody got suspended and injured as well.

58:06

It could probably skew, you know, if

58:08

nobody else, if Madison had still been

58:10

fit and Doggy hadn't been sent off

58:12

from Romero, those

58:14

stats I think would be different. But

58:16

I don't take away he's absolutely been

58:18

incredible and he's absolutely fundamental to our

58:20

team, especially with his pace. The other

58:22

thing that's quite interesting was the other

58:24

stats that you threw up. When

58:27

you talk about fine margins in football, if

58:29

you look at the turnovers, look, we

58:31

were 20th with 255 and we're first

58:34

with 300. So 45 turnovers over however many

58:36

30-something games moves you from

58:41

bottom of the league to top of the league. If

58:44

you just look at how, you know, shot-ending

58:46

high turnovers, the difference there is only

58:48

six and you go from tenths to

58:50

second. So these stats

58:52

basically show in the Premier League,

58:55

if you're, you know, 2%, 3%

58:57

moves you from tenths in the league right

59:01

to the top of the league. And that's

59:03

why when you play these so-called lower teams

59:05

like a fuller mid-table, you know, who are

59:07

a mid-table team where we're meant to be

59:09

a top team, you

59:11

have to be on it because if you're 2%

59:13

off you get done. And

59:15

those stats actually show it, although there's been massive

59:17

improvements, it just shows you how actually they're not, they're

59:19

big improvements, but actually they're not that big to

59:21

go from bottom of the league to top. On

59:24

Vissou- You bang on, mate.

59:26

You're spot on. Love that. Thank

59:28

you. I'm not going to speak anymore. My job's

59:31

done, lads. Talk

59:33

about this, but you bang on, mate.

59:35

That's brilliant. On Vissou-

59:37

I've been thinking about this because I was having

59:39

a couple of arguments with a couple of guys

59:41

on Twitter that absolutely adore him. My

59:45

biggest frustration when I was thinking about

59:47

him is he

59:51

plays well when

59:53

we're playing well. When

59:55

the going gets tough, he disappears.

59:59

And that was the same on- the conte when

1:00:01

he was in. When he wasn't

1:00:03

playing well, didn't start the game

1:00:05

well, misplaced the pass, he goes

1:00:07

into hiding. And in the full-on game I'm

1:00:09

sitting there thinking, what

1:00:12

would, you know, what would Roy Keane

1:00:14

do? What would, you

1:00:16

know, and he's one of these great

1:00:18

players, what would, and I hate saying,

1:00:20

Declan Rice has dragged Arsenal as a

1:00:22

defensive midfielder on.

1:00:25

The soon-made don't do it, they

1:00:27

didn't slash anybody, rile anybody, when

1:00:30

we're not playing well or

1:00:32

he disappears. And

1:00:36

also I don't agree with you actually

1:00:38

that he was on course to be our best

1:00:40

player, you know, he

1:00:42

played well in about

1:00:44

six or seven games at the beginning of

1:00:46

the season. I don't know, I think the looting, because

1:00:48

I had this exact argument with someone, the lute game

1:00:51

I think was the eighth game. Oh

1:00:54

I mean, up to the seven then, I think if

1:00:56

he had maintained that level we were showing up into

1:00:58

that lute and game, I think we were at a

1:01:00

competition about it, I think we were in conversation I

1:01:02

think. But how many games have we played, 28? I

1:01:07

agree. You were at seven games. Yeah, no,

1:01:09

I'm saying on the point that if he

1:01:11

had maintained that level of performance from those

1:01:14

seven games onwards, I think there would have

1:01:16

been a conversation. Yeah,

1:01:19

but he's been worse for more than

1:01:21

he's been good. Absolutely,

1:01:23

absolutely. You

1:01:28

know, he's been the last few or

1:01:30

four games, he's been sent off twice, and my wife.

1:01:35

Might be mine, we've got

1:01:37

you back, we've got you,

1:01:39

it might be mine, sorry.

1:01:41

I've got you, Adam, we have got Adam.

1:01:43

We've got Adam, we've got Adam. We've

1:01:46

got you, we've got you,

1:01:48

we've got you. You're all

1:01:51

freezing, I can still hear myself gloriously.

1:01:53

Yeah, I think there's a top player

1:01:57

there, I think he's got a lot of ability. I

1:02:00

think he has a mental, I think there's a mentality

1:02:03

problem there. And I think actually

1:02:05

the fact that you said he's unfollowed

1:02:07

Marley on social media because he didn't

1:02:09

get picked that almost sort of points

1:02:11

to that. That he's almost like a

1:02:13

little bit of a baby is he

1:02:16

a solker when things aren't going right for

1:02:18

him. Does he, does he go

1:02:20

off into a little huff that

1:02:22

that it sort of points to that type of thing.

1:02:25

He had six or seven good games, but

1:02:27

the team was playing brilliantly over that period.

1:02:30

And it's in the games where you want somebody to

1:02:32

dig in, show you something,

1:02:35

fight, take the ball, take the game

1:02:37

by the scruff and say, right, I'm going to

1:02:39

take this game now because we're not playing well

1:02:41

and drag us forward. And he doesn't

1:02:43

do that. But Madison did that against Fulham

1:02:45

or tried to do that against Fulham. And

1:02:48

I think Ricky made the point, the

1:02:50

two centre backs, you know, at the beginning of the game

1:02:52

with the other two best players. I think the two of

1:02:54

Madison were the only ones. I just, I

1:02:57

don't know. I'm

1:02:59

not, I'm not, he doesn't do much for me. I

1:03:01

don't sit there. I'm never wowed by

1:03:03

a consumer, to be honest with you. I think

1:03:05

he's, I think he's got ability. I think he's

1:03:07

a good powerful boy. But I think if, you know, if

1:03:09

you look at the season, you look at how good we were

1:03:11

for the first 10, 10 games,

1:03:14

would he, would he be one of your best

1:03:16

players? Would he be ahead of Saar, Madison, Van

1:03:20

de Ven, Undoggy, Poirot,

1:03:22

Romero? You

1:03:24

know, you can make an argument

1:03:26

that's seven players I've put ahead of the

1:03:28

keeper, Vicario, even in

1:03:30

when we were really good. So I don't actually think

1:03:32

he's been, even in the good period, he's been one

1:03:34

of our better players. I think he's been

1:03:37

good. Would you have, would you have him over Saar or

1:03:39

Madison? No. Hypothetically,

1:03:42

even when we were

1:03:44

really good. Hypothetically,

1:03:47

and a big comes in for a bazooma. Yeah, formation

1:03:49

and stuff like that. Hypothetically,

1:03:51

and a big comes in from Saudi, this summer

1:03:53

for a bazooma. Would you

1:03:55

accept it if it was a reasonable bid or do you

1:03:58

think there's still more to come from under range? I'm

1:04:02

not saying I would like to sell him because I do

1:04:04

think he does have potential and

1:04:06

it may still come. However,

1:04:10

if we said, you know what, this

1:04:12

isn't the guy and we went out

1:04:14

and got somebody for 30, 40 million

1:04:16

that Ange thought was better than the

1:04:18

consumer there, then I'd be comfortable with

1:04:20

us selling him for that. But Ricky made

1:04:22

the other point about Hoy Beeg coming

1:04:25

on. I'm not a massive Hoy Beeg fan. I

1:04:27

would say Hoy Beeg has done more when he's

1:04:29

come off the bench to influence a game than

1:04:32

the consumer in terms of actually

1:04:34

influencing a world's need is something happening.

1:04:38

When Hoy Beeg starts, I don't think

1:04:40

he's great. When he's come on, he's

1:04:42

actually been influential on that game, whether

1:04:44

that be defensively or moving the team

1:04:46

forward. And that's just the thing about

1:04:48

the consumer. I'm not quite sure if he's mentally strong enough. But

1:04:52

on these points, if I can bring Ricks in, Ricks,

1:04:54

the reality is we know Hoy Beeg is

1:04:56

most likely going to move on this summer because he

1:04:58

wants to play first-team football and you've got to respect

1:05:00

that. And with the consumer, I feel at

1:05:03

the start of the season, Ange had that

1:05:05

chat with him. He explained to him that

1:05:07

he could be a real big role model

1:05:09

in the dressing room, a leader, although he

1:05:11

isn't one of the captains. And

1:05:13

I think, again, he really reacted to that

1:05:15

really positively in that opening 10 games. And

1:05:17

again, look, we don't see what goes on

1:05:20

behind closed doors. And we've seen, obviously, situations,

1:05:22

personally with Dele Alli, for example, a player

1:05:24

that had an unbelievable trajectory of

1:05:26

a career at Spurs and

1:05:28

unfortunately, for whatever reason, as you've come to know,

1:05:30

obviously, in these last six to 12 months, we've

1:05:32

found out more about Dele's personal life that had

1:05:34

an impact on it. I mean, with the consumer,

1:05:36

is that a power you can see ultimately getting

1:05:39

back to the opening seven, eight games as a

1:05:41

team? Again,

1:05:43

we're in an age now where football is quite cutthroat

1:05:45

and it's quite fruitful. Is that a position where Spurs

1:05:48

may need to look to upgrade if they're going to

1:05:50

be really serious next season under edge and they really

1:05:52

do want to progress to the next level? From

1:05:56

my point of view, bro, what I would definitely

1:05:58

do was I would... I'm

1:06:00

gonna trust Angie's perspective. So

1:06:03

if Angie thinks that he has the

1:06:05

heart and the integrity and the honesty

1:06:07

within himself to recognize his own mistake,

1:06:09

work on him and get better, or

1:06:12

to achieve the best that he can

1:06:14

possibly achieve, then I'm gonna go off

1:06:16

of what Angie says about Pissuma. Do

1:06:18

you know what I mean? In that

1:06:20

scenario, because Angie knows the man, he

1:06:23

knows the person, he knows him inside out.

1:06:26

He knows why he's been having

1:06:28

bad days. And I'll

1:06:30

tell you this, and I look, I don't wanna go on

1:06:33

like, I'm some athlete, right? Because

1:06:35

I'm not, okay? I'm an actor, I just do

1:06:37

what I'm asked to do, okay? But I was

1:06:39

on Dancing on Ice. And you do a show

1:06:41

on a Sunday,

1:06:44

straight away on a Monday, I

1:06:46

was back in on training. Tuesday, I'd have

1:06:48

a day off. Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, all day

1:06:50

training. Saturday, another all day rehearsal, dress rehearsal.

1:06:52

Sunday, you have a run through of the

1:06:55

whole show and then you do the show.

1:06:57

Let me tell you, by the time I

1:06:59

got to that show, I was tired and

1:07:01

you gotta think as well, it's like, however

1:07:03

good it was last week, I've

1:07:06

now gotta do the

1:07:08

same, if not better. Like, we've gotta

1:07:10

be better, but I can't go below

1:07:13

like the level that is here. And

1:07:15

sometimes like outside influences, family,

1:07:17

life, things that go

1:07:19

on, sometimes you might have a little niggle,

1:07:22

a little injury here, which means for me

1:07:24

on the ice, I couldn't do a left

1:07:26

turn or some shite rubbish like that. But

1:07:30

they have an effect on your mentality and

1:07:32

they have an effect on your performance. So

1:07:34

those first seven games that Adam was talking

1:07:36

about, that was the best of the sumer

1:07:38

that we've seen. That was the sumer that

1:07:41

we all wanted to see. And it was

1:07:43

up to him to take this opportunity because

1:07:45

he didn't have it off

1:07:47

of Conte. He didn't have the opportunity off of

1:07:49

Conte, but Andge gave him that opportunity and they

1:07:51

gave him the responsibility and he gave him the

1:07:54

challenge to go and be your best. And we

1:07:56

saw a reaction and we saw the best of

1:07:58

what the sumer could bring. After

1:08:00

that, he started to think after that, I

1:08:02

don't know what's happened with injury,

1:08:04

whether it's this malaria, whether there's things

1:08:06

going on behind the scenes. But there

1:08:08

is been a major drop off in

1:08:11

the because when he played, we

1:08:13

said, wow, right now he's doing

1:08:15

things when he has a good game. It's just

1:08:18

a good game. He's not doing anything that makes

1:08:20

us say, wow. You

1:08:22

know, like that full on game is a

1:08:24

great example of like

1:08:26

the midfield failing. I

1:08:28

know you guys on the analysis as well, but I

1:08:31

thought that, you know, the back four, five,

1:08:33

including the cardio, pretty OK,

1:08:35

pretty solid, be able to deal with

1:08:37

things up front a bit iffy. But

1:08:40

we know if we give them a chance more

1:08:42

than likely, but the midfield was lost against

1:08:44

that game and that's where Fulham, you know,

1:08:46

they made and scored their

1:08:49

goals through our midfield, you know, and and

1:08:51

Basuma was a part of that. And we

1:08:53

didn't see no reaction from him in the

1:08:56

second half after getting a talking to from

1:08:58

And so bringing him off and

1:09:00

him missing out on Mali and him and

1:09:02

even him on unfollowing their page and stuff

1:09:05

like that. Yes, this juvenile, but I think

1:09:07

it's a good thing. Again, this is a

1:09:09

now a whack in the face. Now this

1:09:11

is like And going to him

1:09:14

and he probably will. He'll speak to him

1:09:16

on a core level, on a on a

1:09:18

man to man level there and kind

1:09:20

of go to him. Now, what do you want to be? What

1:09:22

do you want to be? Right now, we've got 10 games

1:09:24

left. We've got our own cup finals. The high

1:09:26

that the best thing that we can achieve right now

1:09:28

is the reason why everybody's talking about it. The best

1:09:30

thing that we can achieve right now is is,

1:09:35

you know, Champions League. The boss would probably say

1:09:37

when he could still win the league. But, you

1:09:39

know, I mean, Champions League is the highest thing

1:09:41

that we can kind of aim for right now.

1:09:44

So who are you going to be? Are you going

1:09:46

to be a man that stands up or are you going

1:09:48

to be the man that wants to sit on the bench?

1:09:50

Are you going to you're going to show us what you're

1:09:52

about or are you going to talk about it? Like, let's

1:09:54

see what your reaction is as a person. You know, like,

1:09:56

where is your character? Where is your integrity? Where

1:09:58

is that thing? And like

1:10:00

you said, Derek's as well, we don't know

1:10:02

what's going on, right? We don't know if

1:10:04

we've got family, relationships, kids, I

1:10:07

don't know if you've got kids, but you know what I mean? Like, those

1:10:10

things outside that can have

1:10:12

an influence, not so much on your

1:10:14

mind, but on your heart and your soul. Do you know

1:10:17

what I mean? You know, when you're like, you just can't

1:10:19

get something off your brain, but you need to go to

1:10:21

work. So you try and push it to the side, but

1:10:23

it's on your heart. Like, when it's when this stuff happening

1:10:25

like that, there

1:10:27

is a difference. There is something that goes on. It

1:10:29

happened to me during that dance on a nice time.

1:10:31

There was things that happened, you know, family things, and

1:10:34

there was life and death that was happening. Do you

1:10:36

know what I mean? There was things that was happening,

1:10:38

but and it did have an effect on me. And

1:10:40

I recognized it after, now that I've come out of

1:10:42

it, I can look back and go, wow, it's

1:10:44

almost like it's the only kind of reference

1:10:47

that I have to a week to week

1:10:49

player, you know, who's somebody who does

1:10:51

that week to week, you know? So

1:10:53

we don't know what's happening. The thing

1:10:55

is that we've seen the best that

1:10:57

Basuma can offer, but we've seen the

1:10:59

okay average, okay, goodish games

1:11:01

for the rest of that period. Now,

1:11:04

for these last 10 games, do

1:11:06

you want to get back into the Marley squad? Do

1:11:08

you want to show everyone that's like, you know, criticizing

1:11:10

you and saying that you can't do it anymore? Do

1:11:12

you want to shove it back in their throat? Do

1:11:14

you know what I mean? Like, do you want to

1:11:16

shut them all up? Well, let's see it on the

1:11:18

field, bro, because you've got the platform every single week

1:11:21

to show it and to be there, not only for

1:11:23

yourself, but for this team right here. So who are

1:11:25

you going to be? Yeah,

1:11:27

I totally agree with that. I mean, that mentality, Lee told

1:11:29

me whether we can find or get

1:11:31

that mentality right to get him obviously

1:11:34

in a position where he can spend it in the

1:11:36

final 10 games. I mean, Lee, have

1:11:38

you seen enough for you over the course of

1:11:40

his period at Tottenham where that player will return

1:11:42

that we saw in those opening six, seven games

1:11:44

in the season? Because again, fortunately, I'm not excited

1:11:46

to roll you, but whilst I grew at him,

1:11:49

again, you look at Sonnet, Declan Rice and the

1:11:51

way he has almost, again, to some degree, you

1:11:53

don't really galvanise the side. It's such a big

1:11:55

sighting and there's always a reason why the consumer

1:11:57

can't be that player. But so many of the...

1:11:59

start of the season was comparing him to Declan Ryess.

1:12:02

I mean, what are you silly from the outside looking

1:12:04

into that player? Many

1:12:06

of us and he was better than Declan Ryess

1:12:09

with the first seven games of the season. Again,

1:12:12

and as Adam put earlier, you know,

1:12:14

fine margins in football and all that

1:12:16

stuff, I love it. You know, it

1:12:18

is fine margins when you're talking about

1:12:21

the sumer, have I

1:12:23

seen enough? No, definitely not. And

1:12:25

my disappointment is when

1:12:27

we signed him, we were getting one of the best midfielders

1:12:30

in the Premier League before, arguably,

1:12:32

that were outside of the top four. Let's put

1:12:34

it that way, so you can play him for

1:12:37

quite a bit. I remember I was in London,

1:12:39

actually, I was going to a meeting and it

1:12:41

dropped. I think it was Gary

1:12:43

Jacobs running the product straight out there first. I

1:12:45

was like, no way, that's got to be a

1:12:47

mistake. There's no way we're getting the sumer for

1:12:49

25 minutes. That's mental. I'm very

1:12:52

excited for it. And look,

1:12:55

like everyone said, I think apart from

1:12:57

them six, seven games, something

1:13:00

fell off a cliff hasn't been the same

1:13:02

since with those personal issues, whether or not

1:13:04

that's because of a confidence thing he felt

1:13:06

to me like he's a confidence player and

1:13:08

put his arm around him and gave him

1:13:10

some love and said, look, I trust you,

1:13:12

you're my guy, you're my man, let's go. But

1:13:14

six, seven games, whatever, it was excellent. But

1:13:17

yeah, we haven't seen that. So now I

1:13:19

happen. I think the problem is, again, I

1:13:22

took about on paper and, you know, Joe

1:13:24

said in the comments earlier from who's watching

1:13:26

live on X about kind of the game

1:13:28

is in paper, which I did reference. I

1:13:31

know it isn't. This is why it's dangerous.

1:13:33

But on paper, you look

1:13:35

at the sumo, you look at benching core, you're

1:13:37

thinking, man, this is amazing.

1:13:40

We've got we've got some serious now

1:13:43

you've got we be coming back on again,

1:13:45

I agree. I think we're when he starts,

1:13:47

he's in great. But when he comes on

1:13:49

and finishes finishing games off or does a

1:13:52

job, when you've done some good stuff, you

1:13:54

look at a central midfield, you're thinking,

1:13:56

you know, it's pretty good. Then you've got mix out

1:13:58

with SAR and then you've got a also took

1:14:00

back up with Madison and wow

1:14:02

where did this happen all of a sudden? But

1:14:05

the problem being, especially if you want to call

1:14:07

it that six, has been as soon as he

1:14:09

dropped off a cliff, Benton has

1:14:11

had two horrific injuries

1:14:14

and he hasn't come back, he hasn't come back

1:14:16

anywhere near his best although there was flashes to

1:14:18

be fair to him against Fulham and

1:14:20

Duke Dreyer before and he had a good game against

1:14:23

Manchester United, certainly in the second half away

1:14:25

at Old Trafford early in the season but he was

1:14:27

having an amazing we

1:14:30

did but

1:14:32

he's been in flashes as well

1:14:35

so there's a kind of

1:14:37

a scenario where we've got two

1:14:39

good players that

1:14:41

I've had proven in the past and

1:14:44

also hopefully in the future can be

1:14:46

good, they're not quite

1:14:48

at their best so therefore they're not even pushing

1:14:51

each other for the competition so

1:14:53

do you know what I mean like you want to

1:14:55

have a competition for places and the one's not pushing

1:14:57

the other one because the other one's not as good

1:14:59

as maybe they can be, it's just

1:15:01

I don't know it's hard for me to articulate

1:15:04

because I can't, do you know what

1:15:06

I mean Rich, it's not quite right

1:15:08

there, there's something not quite, I mean

1:15:10

if Benton Kerr as an example, if

1:15:12

Benton Kerr was fully fit on on

1:15:14

on beans you could play him as a

1:15:16

six and eight or a ten or

1:15:19

anything and if he was on beans and

1:15:21

you said right you can have him as a six, Biss

1:15:23

isn't getting in the side because Benton

1:15:25

is batting him in my opinion right,

1:15:27

however if you've

1:15:30

got Biss who's got the shirt and

1:15:32

he's playing like he was six seven games when

1:15:34

Benton Kerr was out and then Benton Kerr is

1:15:36

now fully fit and pushing him, wow okay what

1:15:38

a phenomenon, I mean who wouldn't want that as

1:15:40

the manager so now you're big and you think

1:15:42

you're quite amazing but we haven't

1:15:44

got that scenario and maybe that's the

1:15:46

point. Who do you

1:15:48

pick then, do you have Benton Kerr when he

1:15:51

was at his best before

1:15:53

his injury or you

1:15:55

have Biss at the beginning of the season? I

1:15:58

don't think any consists. I

1:16:00

picked Bentonkir mate, what

1:16:02

I'd seen for both of them players, I

1:16:05

picked Bentonkir but we

1:16:09

haven't got that scenario yet and I think

1:16:11

that's what the quandary is because actually we

1:16:13

have seen flashes of Biss being cooked. What

1:16:16

we're missing with Biss why is in

1:16:18

taking a ball, having a look, beating

1:16:21

the fast press, driving, driving. I haven't

1:16:23

seen any of that since he got

1:16:25

sent off at Luton. The first M&A

1:16:27

games we definitely saw that for sure,

1:16:30

definitely he had it in his locker.

1:16:32

And then we've seen that with Bentonkir

1:16:34

when he first came as well. There

1:16:38

were some nuances there, maybe Bentonkir is

1:16:40

better at the pitch but I'm not

1:16:42

quite sure but we're talking about the

1:16:44

six. Is Bentonkir about a six on

1:16:47

fully fit 100% versus

1:16:49

Persuma? I have

1:16:51

to say yes. I will be picking Bentonkir for

1:16:54

sure. Who do you guys have?

1:16:56

Ric is? I could

1:16:59

be Neil Ric. Ric is. You take it,

1:17:05

Norman. For me if we're

1:17:07

talking about form right now

1:17:10

then I'm the same as

1:17:12

Lee. I'm with Bentonkir

1:17:14

because I've seen Bentonkir do some amazing

1:17:17

things, especially before that

1:17:19

ACO and I saw it for longer than

1:17:21

six seven games. More than seven games, yeah.

1:17:23

You know what I mean? So on the

1:17:25

level, I

1:17:28

will go Bentonkir. I would love

1:17:30

to be proved wrong and honestly feel

1:17:33

that Persuma can do it over a sustained

1:17:35

period. Again, look, the only thing I would

1:17:37

say is that's what Ric actually said earlier,

1:17:40

that I do think that if

1:17:42

Ad keeps on picking him, he's picking him

1:17:44

for the right reason. I don't think he's going to keep picking the

1:17:46

guy if it's not for the right reason, which tells me that it's

1:17:48

not all about mentality.

1:17:50

It's more than that. It's trying

1:17:53

to get his back to him. Is he

1:17:55

switching his rock group buddy? But is he

1:17:57

picking him because Bentonkir ain't 100%? And

1:18:00

then the mentality thing comes in on Vesuma. I

1:18:05

can't even talk about mentality in Vesuma to

1:18:07

be fair, but there's loads of comments and

1:18:09

have made some really good points. The mentality

1:18:12

in Vesuma is then in question because

1:18:14

now he's sitting on the bench and he has to win

1:18:16

the shirt back. And as he got

1:18:18

the mentality to win the shirt back, has he

1:18:20

got it? Does he want to do that? Because

1:18:22

Brendan Kerr's, here's the thing, before Brendan Kerr got

1:18:24

injured, I ain't got the stats right in front

1:18:27

of me team, so forgive me. I

1:18:29

think he scored five goals with four assists

1:18:31

or something like that. I think Kev G

1:18:33

said earlier in the comments, what

1:18:36

does Vesuma offer? He hasn't even scored a goal for Spurs.

1:18:40

He's been there two seasons, right? He scored a goal 30

1:18:42

million pound midfielder, not scored a goal, he hasn't got an

1:18:44

assist. This ain't the

1:18:46

same Vesuma that was playing for Brighton, that

1:18:49

was taking Arsenal to town and laughing in

1:18:51

their faces when they smashed them 3-1-4-1. But

1:18:54

this ain't the same guy, is it? Back

1:18:56

to Ricky Jay's point, Ricky Norwell's

1:18:59

point, maybe there is that guy. And

1:19:02

you just don't know, but as fans, we

1:19:04

can't know that. And here's the thing as

1:19:06

well, by the way, team, I

1:19:08

want Vesuma to be amazing. I think we

1:19:10

all need to be able to get that

1:19:12

point to be amazing. But what I've

1:19:14

seen from Brendan Kerr versus

1:19:16

Vesuma, both 100% fully

1:19:19

fit, I'm having Ben Ticot all day long. I

1:19:22

think it's going to be powerful at the moment. It's

1:19:24

not even Ben Ticot anymore, it's

1:19:26

more like star. You're looking at

1:19:28

someone, the youngster in star that

1:19:30

was there because Ben Ticot couldn't

1:19:32

be there. We were all dreaming

1:19:35

of Madison Ben Ticot, Vesuma. That's the midfield that

1:19:37

we were dreaming of at the beginning of the

1:19:39

season. But stars come

1:19:41

in and yes, he did have

1:19:43

a poor game against Fulham, but I think

1:19:45

everybody top to bottom really

1:19:47

overall had a poor game, right? You've

1:19:51

seen him grow and grow apart from that.

1:19:53

When you see him grow and grow and

1:19:55

grow and all of us fans that actually

1:19:58

that watch the minutes

1:20:00

and not a highlighted package because I don't

1:20:02

think you get a

1:20:04

clear overview when you're watching something

1:20:07

like Match of the Day or the highlights on YouTube

1:20:09

or something like that you don't get a clear overview

1:20:11

of what the game was about when you watch the

1:20:13

90 minutes or 90 minutes plus

1:20:15

you see what stars bring into that

1:20:17

game not only energy not only tenacity

1:20:19

but he's will he's will

1:20:22

to win he's also run he's also tackle

1:20:24

he's going to be there when somebody ain't

1:20:26

there like he's he's everywhere and he's

1:20:28

growing week in week out so it's like the

1:20:31

suma ain't even competing against Benson

1:20:33

Cora anymore it's more right now

1:20:35

it's the youngster and then

1:20:38

we've got another youngster coming in in this

1:20:40

young guy who's coming

1:20:42

in so who else are you compete you

1:20:44

know I mean so the competition is getting

1:20:46

higher but this is what is great about

1:20:48

having a competitive squad this was is great

1:20:50

about having competition for places because are you

1:20:53

going to step up or do you have

1:20:55

to sit down and if you're one of

1:20:57

those guys that has to sit down and you can't

1:20:59

step up to the plate and someone like and you'll

1:21:01

be like you know thank you so much but

1:21:03

you know like yeah you

1:21:06

know I think we're gonna go in a different direction I

1:21:09

think that's one thing we I think we've seen we

1:21:11

noticed that someone like to Eric Dyer who to be

1:21:13

fair for all his years there was a decent pro

1:21:15

good guy around the dressing room likable fella

1:21:18

both of you can't do the job for him

1:21:20

then you're gonna have to go and I think

1:21:22

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1:21:24

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1:21:26

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relation to where we are. I've seen

1:22:26

the announcement that Man of Solomon

1:22:28

has had surgery

1:22:35

right knee after a meniscus injury. He

1:22:37

hasn't played since September 30th. He joined

1:22:40

the club from Fulham but obviously

1:22:42

suffered long-term damage early on for that knock

1:22:44

where the club have confirmed he will now

1:22:46

continue his rehabilitation with the medical staff. Solomon

1:22:48

posted an update on social media where he

1:22:50

said lately I've been away from the social

1:22:52

media and focused solely on rehab and getting

1:22:54

back on the field. The last three have

1:22:56

been the most difficult and frustrating in my

1:22:58

career. In the past five months I've been

1:23:00

working as hard as possible to get back

1:23:02

to doing what I love the most. Unfortunately,

1:23:04

I haven't recovered yet. I've saved my motivation

1:23:06

and will continue to work through anything in

1:23:08

my power to be back strong and ever

1:23:10

to help my club and country. Thank you

1:23:12

for your support. See you guys soon. That's

1:23:15

where we stand on Man of Solomon. There

1:23:17

is some situation brewing around. Still the fee

1:23:20

for the player. Now, Chatterdinnett's

1:23:22

CEO, Sir Jay Parker has accused

1:23:24

Top of Disrespect in offering

1:23:27

peanuts during negotiations for

1:23:29

the winger. Threatening legal action

1:23:31

against the North London club. Spurs will maybe

1:23:33

have to settle that outside having the courts

1:23:36

with Chatterdinnett. But that case still ongoing

1:23:38

and of course we hope to see Solomon

1:23:40

at some point back in a Spurs shirt.

1:23:42

But look who and when that will be

1:23:45

we're not sure. Ali Gold did

1:23:47

seem to suggest that he could return the training

1:23:49

before the end of the season following

1:23:51

knee surgery. However, the focus

1:23:53

really is for preseason and

1:23:55

just on preseason just a snippet of an

1:23:58

update if I can just quickly share to

1:24:00

all. audience here that Anj has and the

1:24:02

club have confirmed they'll be returning to Australia.

1:24:04

We've got a massive contingent of last-world on

1:24:06

Spurs viewers and this is so big ups

1:24:08

to all you guys out there. Spurs will

1:24:11

be returning I understand straight

1:24:13

after the season comes to an end

1:24:15

they'll be playing Newcastle United that will

1:24:17

be at the Millball cricket grounds on

1:24:19

the 22nd of May which falls on

1:24:21

a Wednesday. It'll be interesting really what

1:24:23

kind of squads go out for those

1:24:25

respective games given the fact of course

1:24:27

that both of course Newcastle and

1:24:29

Spurs have clubs of players that are predominantly

1:24:32

going to be focused in the Euro so

1:24:34

I imagine you'll see a number of players

1:24:36

there and although we know Timo Werner won't

1:24:38

be there because I understand I believe that's

1:24:41

when his wedding is actually taking place so

1:24:44

many would argue it's a nice excuse not

1:24:46

get worried about where we're going to pay

1:24:48

or accelerate his activation clause. Just very quickly

1:24:50

on that guys if I can before we

1:24:52

do look to come and look at the

1:24:54

final games of the season and look to

1:24:56

bring the show to a close and I'll

1:24:58

just ask the guys what they've seen so

1:25:00

far. The mooted fee of Timo Werner's activation

1:25:02

clause is around 15 and

1:25:04

a half million. From what you've seen

1:25:06

so far of him and Bernie mining

1:25:09

nearly hit the audience say

1:25:11

audience the spectators during that full-on defeat as

1:25:13

they held up save our seniors. And

1:25:15

have you seen enough of Timo Werner so

1:25:17

far to want to activate that clause at 15

1:25:19

and a half million? I

1:25:23

mean yeah I mean the people go back

1:25:25

and forth about is finishing.

1:25:28

I remember watching him

1:25:30

before Chelsea signed him and I was like

1:25:32

wow this guy's unbelievable. That

1:25:36

you know that might have been a flash in the pan just

1:25:38

very quickly for me 15 million

1:25:41

I think is a no-brainer. I think

1:25:43

if you look you've got someone like Perricich and you've

1:25:45

got Cessignon and these types of players you

1:25:48

know and you know I think

1:25:50

you know it's peanuts in the modern

1:25:52

in the modern game. I think he's

1:25:55

experienced he's an international he seems like

1:25:57

a good guy he works hard He's

1:26:00

got a decent delivery on him. His crossing is

1:26:02

actually really good. He's direct. His

1:26:05

finishing is not amazing, but he's scored a couple

1:26:07

of decent goals. So I think

1:26:09

for 15 million, there's no risk, is

1:26:11

there? There's

1:26:14

no risk if you sell Sessonyon, Perisic

1:26:16

has gone, you probably end up breaking

1:26:19

even with Sessonyon going. So I don't

1:26:21

see, yeah. And

1:26:24

I wouldn't see that being him bought

1:26:26

against anybody else. That's the solution. I think

1:26:28

we should activate Van Kiep in this part

1:26:31

of the squad. So

1:26:33

for me, for that money, I

1:26:35

think he's a good addition. Just

1:26:38

around the table on this one, Ricks for you so far, Timo,

1:26:40

I've heard of what you've seen. Is

1:26:43

there enough of you, Ricks, to be convinced that right

1:26:45

now would be someone, you

1:26:47

had to make this thing today, would you have seen

1:26:49

enough to make you want to activate that clause of signing

1:26:51

penalty? Well, I think he's

1:26:54

done more than opposition fans criticizing

1:26:57

the transfer, thought he would ever do

1:26:59

already with his assistance and the goals

1:27:01

that he has got. But

1:27:04

for me, that my only, my

1:27:07

first thing is let him earn it. He's

1:27:09

on a loan, so I want him

1:27:11

to earn his contract. I want to see, you know,

1:27:14

every time he comes on the

1:27:16

field, what he brings to the team. I

1:27:18

agree with everything that Adam said there about

1:27:20

the personality and about what type of player

1:27:23

profile. The only thing that I have reservations

1:27:25

with is that does he take up a

1:27:27

foreign player squad spot

1:27:31

and would it affect the

1:27:33

person, the player

1:27:35

that we're going for in the first

1:27:37

position of that list

1:27:40

of wingers or those lists of

1:27:42

goal scorers, attackers? You know,

1:27:44

so if we're going

1:27:46

after our number one target and

1:27:49

we're 15 million short, are

1:27:52

we 15 million short because we spent it on

1:27:54

Verna? I

1:27:56

wouldn't answer Abby's number one target. So

1:27:58

that's my reservation there. But if

1:28:01

we saw someone like you said there,

1:28:04

or even like Brian Hill right now, who

1:28:06

isn't getting the games, who we're seeing with

1:28:09

another manager that... Another

1:28:13

manager doesn't think that he can cut it in

1:28:16

the Premier League, basically, from what we're seeing. So

1:28:18

more than likely he's going to go to Spain. So if we get

1:28:20

25 mil for him, top

1:28:23

end, 30 mil for him, and then we

1:28:26

spend 15 million on Werner,

1:28:28

not only have we got an upgrade

1:28:30

in that position for the same type

1:28:32

of player, we've also earned 10 million

1:28:34

on that, which I'm sure the financials

1:28:37

would love, and then we can

1:28:39

put it into another position. I

1:28:41

think we're in a great financial position to buy

1:28:43

who we want to buy this year. I think

1:28:45

the foreign euro spots

1:28:47

and the squad spots, I think that's

1:28:49

always an issue with Tottenham. So that's

1:28:52

the only thing that I would be

1:28:54

apprehensive of. But fundamentally, I

1:28:56

want him to earn his contract. I

1:28:58

think he's got everything in the locker,

1:29:00

exactly what Adam said there. I wanted

1:29:02

him before he went to Chelsea, I

1:29:04

thought he was dynamite at Leipzig,

1:29:06

I thought he could do really well enough for us. But

1:29:09

I want to see him earn it. And I

1:29:11

think that having a player who earns their contract

1:29:13

is a great thing, rather than

1:29:16

just giving it. Yeah, I mean, there's

1:29:18

no doubt, Rick, I agree with you on that. The fact of

1:29:20

the matter is, for me, that my own concern was that if

1:29:23

this 15.5 million that he's

1:29:25

supposedly going to be, obviously, activated for, is

1:29:28

going to stop us in terms of, then, other

1:29:30

potential players that are better quality than our ability from

1:29:32

what I've seen at the moment. I

1:29:36

think we could do better. I think the problem you've got is

1:29:38

that, are you going to get

1:29:40

a better player for a squad for

1:29:42

15.5 million? I think that's what only

1:29:44

comes down to on that basis. Probably

1:29:46

would be on the side of activating it. I mean, Lee, where

1:29:49

do you stand at the moment for what you've seen as a

1:29:51

player? Look, it seems really clear to be happy at the football

1:29:53

card, by all accounts, he wants to say, he

1:29:56

was keen as what he is to extend his stay

1:29:58

in North London. I

1:30:00

agree. I agree with all of you.

1:30:03

We went to the end of the season,

1:30:05

if you bring in another six, seven goals

1:30:07

for these next 10 games with another two

1:30:09

of six, we'll be joining them. If you

1:30:11

don't absolutely naffle like we've just been bashing

1:30:13

for Summa for, then we won't be

1:30:15

joining them. So we don't need to worry about it.

1:30:17

This is why I've had it when the contract

1:30:20

gets activated. But broadly, I agree with

1:30:23

all of you. I think I wouldn't

1:30:25

be wired either

1:30:28

way, to be fair. Just a

1:30:30

quick word of the can, Lee, on Scott

1:30:32

Mumb, before we look at the pictures and

1:30:34

get the predictions for the rest of the

1:30:36

season. Scott Mumb did an interview this week

1:30:38

with VOTE to Sport, where he discussed the

1:30:40

elements of what his role does in town

1:30:42

at Spurs. Now, funny thing is with Scott

1:30:45

that we thought the guy that we talked

1:30:47

with, because we haven't heard much from Scott really since being appointed

1:30:49

as the club's chief football officer,

1:30:51

but he was out in Australia as

1:30:54

part of Spurs' advertisement, of course, to bring in

1:30:56

Tottenham down under with Anj at the end of

1:30:59

the season. And his first question was,

1:31:01

he was asked, what did he actually do at Tottenham?

1:31:03

He said, look, I look after everything he had to

1:31:05

do with the football operation. So again, there's been a

1:31:07

lot of different narratives spent on this show and with

1:31:10

many different panellists and guests that, you

1:31:12

know, ultimately, as Daniel Levy handed over

1:31:14

those reigns of the football and operations.

1:31:16

Well, again, if you want to believe

1:31:18

what Scott Mumb is telling us,

1:31:20

then Scott Mumb is telling us that he looks after

1:31:23

all of those football operations. He was asked about the

1:31:25

fact of the appointment. He said, look, I think the

1:31:27

club's they got the pitch compared to where they were

1:31:30

12 months ago is vastly different. I would say it's

1:31:32

a huge fluff. It's been around for over a hundred

1:31:34

years and incredible history in North London. So given

1:31:36

the privilege to help drive and work with the

1:31:39

chairman and the rest of the board has been

1:31:41

fantastic. He just spoke also about the progression of

1:31:43

the women who can I just say they've got

1:31:45

a huge FA Cup semi final coming, which of

1:31:47

course I would urge everyone to try and get

1:31:49

behind at the Tottenham Hotspur Stadium,

1:31:51

of course, Mac and Mathew. One day more

1:31:54

of the week, Bristol City today, 1-0 there

1:31:56

in the top six. They are three points

1:31:58

clear of final. Barca Aston

1:32:00

Villa women's version. I

1:32:03

trust you to get it in there. I

1:32:06

mean, we're below Villa, obviously by

1:32:08

one place, but we're above Villa

1:32:10

in the WSL. Well

1:32:13

done, guys. And to

1:32:15

be fair to Scott, he has a real good

1:32:17

history of really growing the women's game, which is

1:32:19

one of the things that we take into consideration

1:32:21

with regards to the future. He was asked about

1:32:24

his role about bringing it out into the football

1:32:26

club. He said, look, I think what's most important

1:32:28

for Spurs was trying to search that manager up

1:32:30

was to really bring in somebody who could return

1:32:32

the cup to its DNA. So there was a

1:32:34

real commitment that helped bring in Anjan. I think

1:32:36

everyone could use a monotone in terms of his

1:32:38

progress both here in Australia, adding them. But look,

1:32:40

we're Australian in reference to Anjan. We share the

1:32:42

same jokes. We get to watch a bit of

1:32:44

everything in the A League in the morning on

1:32:46

Thursdays. We're in the same office. But he's embracing that

1:32:48

Spurs is about he wants success and

1:32:51

that is a sustained success. So our alignment

1:32:53

is completely in lockstep. It was asked about

1:32:55

work with Daniel Levy. He says incredibly invest

1:32:57

in the club personally and professionally. I

1:33:00

don't think it's one person with a greater single focus on the

1:33:02

success for the club than him.

1:33:04

And I feel absolutely privileged to work with him and

1:33:06

the support he gives and the entire football team

1:33:09

is unconditional. I just hope we're able to repay

1:33:11

the faith he's put in us. So

1:33:13

there's big words there from Scott Mann, who hasn't

1:33:15

done a huge amount of talking, Lee, since coming

1:33:17

through the door. I mean, any real takeaways from

1:33:20

that snippet of the interview you gave to Hope

1:33:22

to support for you? Not

1:33:25

really. I'm not going to lie.

1:33:29

Reality is right. They're going to be judged on the pitch, aren't

1:33:31

they? As much as what's happening off it, it's what

1:33:33

happens on the pitch. Exactly. The reality is it took

1:33:35

him, it took quite a while to get over the

1:33:38

line because of the man-city, gardening and leaving, all that

1:33:40

sort of stuff. Sorry, not man-city, but

1:33:42

the secret, gardening and leaving. Anyway, it doesn't

1:33:44

really matter. He's here now. I put the

1:33:47

joke out on X back in May, 2023,

1:33:49

when he was appointed and I said, oh,

1:33:54

that means Big Ann just came in and everyone was

1:33:56

like, oh, shut up. And obviously, Big Ann came. Happy

1:33:58

days, mate. Caught my mate first. It's cool. Go

1:34:00

and have a look on your timeline if you're bothered. But

1:34:03

yeah, I think it's good for the

1:34:06

club that we've got that. We've got

1:34:08

an obviously long connection now with Australia,

1:34:10

which is absolutely amazing and going back

1:34:12

out there as well. It's going to

1:34:14

be superb. I've been lucky enough to

1:34:16

go to Australia. I spent four months

1:34:18

in Australia, actually, in the maybe in

1:34:20

a previous life, and it was absolutely

1:34:22

phenomenal. And so, yeah, I'm sure

1:34:24

everybody is traveling over there, all the fans over

1:34:26

there as well. You've got

1:34:28

to remember Tottenham is a truly global club. And

1:34:31

I know that the Wigle fans, they always

1:34:33

laugh or whatever, but the reality is that

1:34:36

we are. And it's

1:34:38

fantastic to be going over there. So

1:34:40

good on him and good on the

1:34:42

club for getting ourselves

1:34:44

over to Melbourne. And of course,

1:34:46

we're going back to Korea. We're going back to South Korea

1:34:48

as well. Yeah, yeah. They are going back

1:34:50

to Korea, July. Phenomenal

1:34:53

access to a world, a

1:34:57

genuine worldwide fan base. So, yeah, all up for that,

1:34:59

mate. And just on that point, I think

1:35:01

I must have had the fact that, you know, and spoke

1:35:03

a lot in the pre-match presser, of

1:35:05

course, of Spurs' game. I believe now I look back, I

1:35:07

think it was against Fulham, where he was talking about the

1:35:09

fact of, you know, this whole thing about plastic fans and

1:35:11

again, the fact that, you know, you didn't always get access

1:35:14

to watching Premier League football and the fact that, you know,

1:35:16

it is a multi-global game. And I've

1:35:18

seen lots of, you know, criticism, the fact that

1:35:20

even a while, ain't there, you've got a huge

1:35:22

amount of contingencies of fans there, that absolutely love

1:35:24

and adore Sol. And I've said this many times

1:35:26

that, you know, I don't think you

1:35:29

need to be charted or accumulated based on

1:35:31

how many games you go to, to be

1:35:33

recognised as a Spurs fan. You know, there's many people that

1:35:35

would love to go all around the world, that unfortunately, as

1:35:37

you said there, Lee, don't have that access to go. And,

1:35:40

look, I think it's great for the club, if they

1:35:43

can get to different locations, so fans can go and

1:35:45

see them. Absolutely fantastic. You know, there's

1:35:47

fans out there that I know watch Spurs, they're up

1:35:49

to crazy o'clock in the morning, then go to work

1:35:51

because they love the football club in the same way.

1:35:53

We love the football club. So I don't think I

1:35:56

was found to be judged in any way,

1:35:58

which whatsoever, just because I can't... every

1:36:00

game at the top of the match for Stadium.

1:36:02

So look, I think it's great the fact that

1:36:04

Spurs can go to Australia and I

1:36:06

think that there's been some real good takeaways for the fact

1:36:08

I think Milly Gennack's interview was also quite fascinating just very

1:36:11

quickly. I mean he spoke about the fact that you know

1:36:14

because there's so many now staff on the

1:36:16

Spurs bench that he can't actually get on

1:36:18

the bench. Actually

1:36:21

during the match stage it's quite fascinating. You

1:36:23

normally see Milly almost located in

1:36:25

the stands looking down doing a lot of analyst

1:36:28

work and I think again you know there's a

1:36:30

guy there that says from his perspective you know

1:36:32

he's actually shared a lot of the solidarities that

1:36:35

Ant has as a person. The fact that he

1:36:37

does a lot with the defensive side of the

1:36:39

game. You've got Ryan Mason that really concentrates on

1:36:41

the attacking element but he again makes the point

1:36:43

that it's really important to have you know that

1:36:46

element of really enjoying it. I think Rick this

1:36:48

goes back to what you're saying that there

1:36:50

does now have a feeling Rick around the

1:36:52

place that everyone really does seem

1:36:54

to be enjoying it a lot more this season

1:36:56

and again though we've spoken about the fact tonight

1:36:59

you know it's part of a process and we

1:37:01

can't always of course win

1:37:03

every single game or you know win every single

1:37:05

trophy but it does feel where Spurs are right

1:37:07

now and I hope many would agree that that's

1:37:10

all a bit more a pathway Rick to success and

1:37:12

where we have been the last few years and again

1:37:14