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Late Night Linux – Episode 253

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Late Night Linux – Episode 253

Late Night Linux – Episode 253

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instructions and I thought, yeah, that sounds like something

2:02

useful. And I can think of stuff that

2:04

I might need when the end does

2:06

come like Wikipedia and

2:09

all of those websites

2:11

about killing rabbits and how

2:13

to skin them and stuff like that, but

2:16

I haven't quite let myself go that far

2:18

yet, but it's coming. Yeah.

2:22

This is one of those things where it's like on

2:24

your to-do list. This has been

2:26

on my to-do list for ages, but I haven't got around to

2:28

it yet. But the internet and

2:30

the web is much

2:33

less permanent than you think it is. Sometimes

2:35

shit just disappears. Yeah.

2:38

And we're lucky that we've got services like Internet

2:40

Archive that are trying to preserve

2:43

the history. One of my concerns

2:45

with politics being the way it is, is like

2:47

all of the revisionist stuff that is happening

2:49

now is if you point

2:51

to a reference material on a website in

2:54

a paper or in a blog post or in a

2:56

tweet or something, and somebody comes along

2:58

and changes what it says, what do

3:00

you do? One, you've got to be incredibly

3:03

diligent and looking for things that change

3:05

and making sure that you're not caught out. And

3:07

two, you risk being made a fool

3:09

of in public, like something we all

3:12

know about. And it just, it

3:14

would be useful to have a copy.

3:17

I can imagine that a lot of journalists

3:19

would want to make sure that they've got an

3:22

automated and up-to-date replica

3:25

of any reference material they need. So I think there

3:27

is a real genuine need beyond just

3:29

people being paranoid. And

3:32

I hadn't really thought of that until you said it, Joe.

3:35

So yeah, I think you're right. And it's not

3:37

something that we should just totally rely on the Internet

3:39

Archive for because they do great work,

3:41

but you don't want a single point of

3:43

failure, do you? And there are other

3:46

archive sites out there, but something that is self-hosted

3:49

means that you can have a copy

3:51

of all the stuff that is important to you.

3:54

This conversation has just reminded me of something

3:56

I discovered a couple of weeks ago, which is the

3:59

I.A. published by the Internet Archive.

4:02

You can download it as a binary, it's an open source project, and

4:04

it's basically a command line interface

4:07

to their API. So you can use

4:09

it to query their metadata, you can use

4:11

it to upload as well, but you can also use it to download

4:13

files and automate the things

4:16

that you need to keep on top of on the Internet

4:18

Archive. There's also a UK

4:21

web archive run by the British Library,

4:24

which I didn't know about until I think Popi

4:26

brought it up maybe a couple of weeks ago, where

4:28

you can go and tell them about

4:31

a UK-based website, and they will

4:33

add it to their archive, and then it is actually

4:35

physically available in the British Library,

4:38

which is quite cool. Alright,

4:40

Faehan, I, Voyager. This

4:43

is a web-based planetarium.

4:47

A planetarium doesn't really sort

4:49

of give the right feeling for what this

4:51

is. So a lot of

4:54

software like Stellarium and the stuff, you can

4:56

see a planet, you can go to a moon or

4:58

whatever like that. This is a bit different in fact that

5:00

it's more like the orbits of stuff.

5:03

Now, if you want to try it

5:05

right now, there's a section at the

5:07

bottom center of the page where it starts up

5:09

with the sun and where things are, but there's a button

5:11

that you can click on that says Asteroids. And

5:14

this is the coolest thing that I found about

5:16

this, is it can show you there's apparently

5:18

a bunch of different asteroids I didn't know about.

5:20

I knew we had an asteroid belt, but I didn't realize that

5:22

there was like near-Earth, Mars

5:25

crossers, main belts, inner,

5:27

middle, outer, Hilda's, whatever

5:29

the hell they are. Jupiter Trojans,

5:31

which are apparently wooden horse-shaped

5:33

asteroids, I don't know. But the thing

5:36

is that you can scroll around it, zoom

5:38

in and out, and you can see the fact that

5:41

the sort of cloud shape of the

5:43

asteroid belt is like the pink ones, which

5:45

are the near-Earth ones, I think.

5:48

No, they're Jupiter Trojans. They're out and

5:50

they're kind of in two sort of chunks,

5:53

and they're quite flat and they go quite high

5:55

up from the elliptical plane and stuff. It's

5:58

just really cool. that I hate

6:00

about this entire thing is the fact that the mouse scroll

6:02

wheel, which does the zooming, is the wrong fucking

6:05

way around. It is driving

6:07

me mad, but it's a fantastic

6:10

thing. You can see all the orbits and I did

6:12

see somebody say, try not to switch

6:14

on all 48,000 or whatever

6:16

it is orbit levels and watch your machine

6:19

catch fire. Quite amazing that

6:21

this is running inside a browser. Now,

6:23

if you were totally lost at what Faehling was saying there,

6:25

I can sum it up in seven words for you. Google

6:29

Earth, but for the solar system. No.

6:32

Yes, that's what it is. You can have

6:34

a 3D version of the solar system and you

6:36

can move around and zoom and stuff.

6:39

As you say, the scroll wheel is natural scrolling

6:41

or evil scrolling as I like to call it. Is that what

6:43

it's called? Okay, wrong scrolling

6:46

is what I would have gone for, but yeah. Yeah, not

6:48

when it's zooming in and out, but when it's scrolling up and

6:50

down a page and they call it natural

6:52

scrolling. No, it's unnatural freak show, yeah.

6:56

You know what it reminds me of is Celestia.

6:59

Do you remember Celestia? It was an application

7:01

that's probably 20 years old and it was like

7:04

on Linux, it was like it did exactly the

7:06

same thing in an app and the

7:08

solar system, the universe looked amazing.

7:11

And just while you were talking, the

7:13

project had been abandoned for

7:15

like 10 years and I've just Googled

7:17

it while you were talking and the project

7:19

has come back to life. So I'm going to have to

7:22

try it and I'll report back on

7:24

another discovery. Has anyone got poor

7:26

old Pluto? Well, I

7:28

was going to say, so people

7:31

who think that Pluto should be a planet, Ceres,

7:33

which is a large asteroid or

7:36

I don't know what they call it, a minor planet

7:38

or something or a planetoid, has a better

7:41

orbit than Pluto does because it's more circular

7:43

and it's more aligned with the plane. So Pluto

7:46

is just full of shite is what it is and

7:48

it can go and fuck right off. Charlotte's

7:51

another planet. It is. And I only

7:53

discovered something recently was that I could never remember

7:55

the order plans to remember everything up to Mars.

7:57

But then after that, I got a bit dodgy. But if you're

8:00

remember that the last three planets spelled

8:02

the word Sun Saturn Uranus

8:04

Neptune so Jupiter's obviously

8:07

just before them so there you go I think they say Uranus

8:09

these days to avoid well

8:11

they're missing out because

8:13

they were gonna have a lot more people

8:16

interested in astronomy but they ruined it all failing

8:19

my very eager mother just served

8:21

us nine pizzas that's how you

8:23

remember it oh dear god well

8:26

she didn't serve you pizzas there was nothing arrived

8:28

that's what happened there yeah I've

8:31

never heard that one before that's quite good damn

8:34

it what's the F4 okay

8:37

you started with failing Oh took a while granny Graham

8:39

you are a monster who likes to have

8:42

multi column view

9:00

in master on what is wrong with you is

9:02

this not common I mean I wasn't

9:05

big putting things on Twitter but I

9:07

used it a lot for consuming things

9:09

and I had to use tweet deck tweet

9:12

deck let you follow hashtags

9:14

of things and let you follow people's

9:17

posts and their responses without following them

9:19

and let you put in searches

9:21

and keep a search in a column basically

9:24

you could open up tweet deck in a web

9:26

view it used to be an app and get the

9:28

whole status of everything I've got

9:30

an ultra wide monitor so that helps I

9:33

just relied on it first seeing what was

9:35

going on with the things I was interested in and I think

9:37

I've mentioned it in discoveries I've been

9:39

trying to find an equivalent

9:42

for mastodon and foster don and

9:44

I think the last app I cried was called the deck

9:47

which is really good I hadn't

9:49

appreciated that the web

9:51

app actually has this feature built

9:54

in in mastodon why

9:56

would you want to see five fucking columns

9:58

of posts at the end the same time.

10:01

Because each column is a category of things

10:03

that I'm interested in. So there's one column for

10:05

synths or indie games or a hashtag

10:08

or a music artist. I

10:10

don't want it all mashed up into a single timeline.

10:13

So I have my post

10:15

on the left, home notifications

10:17

and then whatever I happen to be looking at. So

10:19

yours has got more than that then. I

10:21

did post actually on Fostodon

10:24

with a screenshot of mine. Yeah, I've linked

10:26

to that. I usually have a lot more than that. I

10:28

usually have 15 or 16 and scroll across.

10:31

What? Wow. Okay.

10:34

I don't keep on top of everything in the

10:36

timeline. Oh yeah, I mean, I'm terrible

10:38

to be honest. Sometimes it's a

10:40

column that nothing else very much happens in. It

10:43

might be somebody, an artist or something.

10:45

But when they post something or something,

10:48

a conversation related to what they post comes

10:51

up. I don't miss it because it'll bubble up

10:53

to the top of that column. I don't know. Maybe

10:55

it's just me. It's just me. So

10:57

you can do that. And it's a really great interface

11:00

apart from adding the columns, but you just go to

11:02

the advanced view from the settings page. You

11:05

go to settings, preferences, appearance,

11:08

and then enable advanced web interface.

11:11

And then when you've done that, you can basically add

11:13

as many columns as you want. And whenever you log into

11:16

Mastodon or Fostodon, whatever, you

11:18

get the same columns that you've set

11:20

up. Okay, so I

11:22

have that enabled. Why don't I see more than likely

11:25

you do? So if you've got the getting started

11:28

thing on the column.

11:30

On the right hand side. Yeah, okay. Yeah.

11:33

See, this is the thing. I don't notice things on this interface very

11:35

well. If you go to hashtags

11:37

in that, for example, the second column, and

11:39

then choose one, that will appear as

11:41

a column. And then there's a little settings

11:44

thing at the top right of that column, click on pin.

11:47

Oh my God. Wow. And that

11:49

becomes a permanent column. And then you'll always

11:51

get the updates for that thing, the hashtag

11:53

that you've just added. And you can do that for searches

11:56

and people. Yeah, okay. And then

11:58

whenever you log in again, it'll just... the same

12:00

setup you don't lose it. Wow. Did

12:02

it work? Yes. And I've

12:05

had that enabled for possibly months

12:08

and not noticed or not realized that it could

12:10

do all that. Yeah and it seems to be quite an old feature

12:12

when I looked at it. It's been there for a few years

12:14

so I didn't know that it did that either. Wow. Okay.

12:18

Will, Curl supports MQTT.

12:21

Who knew? This is just a little one but

12:23

yeah, you can subscribe to

12:25

an MQTT topic using Curl

12:28

and you can post to an MQTT topic

12:31

using Curl. Amazing. This

12:33

is just a really handy yet

12:36

another tool in the Swiss Army

12:38

Knife that is Curl. Getting web

12:40

stuff. Yes, fine. But now you can use it with

12:42

MQTT as well. Just really

12:44

handy for doing those very simple listen

12:47

to a topic, see everything that's coming

12:49

out of it. Really nice way

12:51

of doing it. I was using the Mosquito

12:53

sub command which comes with Mosquito

12:56

and so it's probably already installed in your machine.

12:59

But the Curl one, just kind of nice,

13:02

kind of easy, really useful tool. Roger's

13:04

come around to snip your internet cable to

13:06

show you. Yeah, sorry Roger. I do feel

13:09

a bit guilty

13:11

about that Roger, sorry. But it's just it's quite

13:13

handy. Well, I hate

13:15

to be negative, especially about Firefox.

13:21

I don't believe you. Well, I

13:23

use Chrome and Android. And then the

13:26

other morning I woke up and all my

13:28

tabs just disappeared. They're just

13:30

fucking gone. Like a fart

13:32

in the wind. That must be your phone because I've had

13:35

so many tabs for so long and I don't

13:37

have any issue. No, this was Chrome and

13:39

Android. Oh, Chrome, right. Okay, sorry.

13:41

Yes. And so that made me think, right, it's about bloody

13:44

time I tried Firefox again. And

13:46

so I did. And I tried

13:48

it and I hadn't set it as default but I was trying

13:51

to use it. I was making an effort to use it. And

13:53

then I'm doing something

13:56

cooking or whatever and my phone makes

13:58

the noise. And it was a

14:00

saying, hey, set me as your default browser.

14:02

And

14:04

you get

14:05

zero chances to spam my notifications.

14:08

And so it was fucking uninstalled.

14:10

And I know people are gonna say, oh,

14:12

you can control your notifications. No,

14:15

sometimes I want to have notifications from

14:17

my browser when I've downloaded

14:19

an image or whatever. I wanna know it's up

14:21

there. My notifications on Android

14:23

are sacred. I keep them empty

14:25

at all times. And I

14:28

sometimes leave stuff in there to just annoy

14:30

me into dealing with something. And

14:33

I don't understand these. Some people post

14:35

screenshots and they've got a thousand fucking

14:37

notifications that they aren't clear. That,

14:39

I don't understand that mindset. And so

14:42

presumably it was people with that mindset that decided

14:44

it was a good idea to have Firefox

14:46

spam your notifications. And I complained

14:48

about it on Mastodon and people

14:51

said, oh, well, people need to know

14:53

to set it as default, otherwise they're not gonna use it

14:56

and whatnot. But no

14:58

fucking wonder no one uses it when

15:00

they pull shit like this, quite frankly. Fail

15:03

him, retort. Yeah,

15:06

I have a bit of an issue with their

15:08

notifications too. And the fact that I don't know where

15:11

some of the notifications come from because

15:13

I use Mastodon, Discord. What's

15:17

the other one that we use? Matrix? Yeah.

15:19

Yeah, Matrix. And oftentimes, I've

15:22

used the same username in all of them. So it

15:24

says, such as such account has a notification.

15:26

I'm like, cool, where? Where's this

15:28

notification? And I have to dig for it and I

15:30

can't find it. What, on the desktop

15:33

or on Android? Well, Firefox pops it

15:35

on the desktop, which I then get. I mean,

15:37

I don't get notifications on my mobile one

15:39

at all. I don't know whether I've turned it off

15:41

or what I've done, but I keep that very limited.

15:43

Like I've got loads of tabs open and it's

15:45

fine, but I just find Firefox notifications

15:48

on the desktop. They're really annoying because

15:51

they could just add the site name. That'd

15:53

be the simplest thing they could do. At least you

15:55

would know or stand some chance of knowing

15:57

where it came from. But what's really annoying

15:59

is that. I was getting on quite well with it and

16:02

I was thinking about seriously

16:04

making the change, but then the

16:06

reason that I uninstalled it last time was the same

16:08

thing. They spanned my notifications and

16:10

I just will not have that. I don't get

16:12

that at all.

16:13

Weird.

16:14

I'm with you, Joe. My notifications

16:16

are not a mechanism for you to push

16:19

your adverts to me and as soon

16:21

as you do do that, then the app

16:23

is gone or the notifications are off. So

16:26

I have absolute sympathy with

16:28

you here, Joe. I would have done the same thing.

16:31

Same thing. Password thing. Working

16:34

with clients, oftentimes you have to

16:36

at some point transfer a password

16:38

to get somewhere, or a key

16:41

or whatever, but usually there's going to be a

16:43

password involved. You may have

16:45

a third party and control the actual server

16:47

so you don't have keys there anyway. A

16:51

few clients have used some internet-based

16:53

ones. You always think, oh,

16:55

geez, which is even better? Is it better to send it to me

16:57

via SMS or some website? I'm not in control

17:00

of. I don't know. And then you told me

17:02

you need Amalith's password thingy. And

17:04

I went, what? And yeah.

17:07

So Amalith has a very

17:10

cool idea of essentially this. It's

17:12

your own self-hosted password

17:14

generation transfer one-time

17:17

password thingy. And yeah, that's

17:19

exactly what it is. Nice and simple and

17:22

very, very good. And I will be very much

17:24

installing this. I've been away for work so I didn't

17:26

get a chance to install it yet. Yeah,

17:29

it's very straightforward to set up and

17:31

very good. It is a name for it though,

17:34

he said to me. He does. I'd

17:36

say Shibboleth, but that's actually

17:38

a product. I

17:40

did come up with a couple and googled them and

17:42

know that's something else and that's

17:44

something else. So yeah, it's very hard to name

17:47

things. This is Amalith from Linux downtime,

17:49

by the way. And it

17:51

seems like a very simple

17:54

way to solve it that

17:56

doesn't involve having to make a GPT

17:58

file. Yeah, you know

18:01

hint at what the password is or send the

18:03

password a different way or whatever That's

18:05

fine If you're dealing with people even know that

18:07

is but like they could be just network

18:09

admins are working a university or

18:11

something They're like what I feel like

18:14

oh god. I'll post it to you

18:16

on a in a letter yeah,

18:18

I tried to send someone a GPG file the other

18:20

day and I know that

18:22

they sort of somewhat into Linux, but they

18:24

mostly use Windows And it says

18:27

to me can I just up this with 7-zip or

18:29

what I'm like no, you know you're gonna

18:31

need Linux Well, there's probably a way in Windows. I'm sure

18:33

but Just you know I told

18:35

him look GPG the file and then this

18:38

is a password

18:39

But no

18:40

normal people don't want to deal with that bullshit, so

18:43

Something like password thing

18:46

is the solution

18:47

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19:51

Graham it's audio time again Cardinal a

19:54

fork of VCV rack. Yeah, so

19:56

hopefully I won't go on too long about

19:58

this But I've talked about CVRAC

20:00

before it's one of the best open source

20:03

audio synth projects. It's modular

20:05

synths but in a

20:08

visual way. Yes, that's

20:10

right. So EuroRAC is a physical

20:13

format for small tiny little synthesizers

20:15

and audio processing things and controllers.

20:18

Yes, you make a sense out of components,

20:20

aren't you? You have different like LFOs

20:23

going into filters, going into all

20:26

different ways of connecting stuff

20:28

and we've talked about Reason before which is

20:30

the connecting rack mount gear virtually

20:34

and this is sort of the modular synths

20:36

equivalent of it but open source. But

20:38

there's been some politics there

20:40

is my understanding. That's exactly right,

20:42

yes. Right, and that's why there's a fork of it. Well,

20:45

VCVRAC became very successful,

20:48

became hugely popular but the project,

20:51

it was open source, it is open source, there's

20:53

a single custodian to this and the

20:56

project has tried to become more

20:59

commercial by offering modules

21:01

on a subscription or modules

21:05

that are maybe not open source and

21:08

that was not in the spirit

21:10

necessarily of how people wanted to use something

21:13

like this where a lot of those modules

21:15

are based on real modules from the real world and

21:18

sometimes even use the real world firmware

21:20

in the virtual equivalent because

21:22

a lot of them are open source as well. What?

21:26

Yes, some amazing examples

21:29

of your rack modules using open source

21:31

firmware. That's crazy and they've

21:34

been virtually recreated in VCVRAC.

21:36

I spent a couple of hours in VCVRAC once and

21:39

I managed to get sort of

21:42

and then you see what people have made with it and it's just

21:44

unbelievable. The patience

21:47

these people must have or I don't know maybe I just

21:49

didn't take enough time to learn it but it is amazing.

21:52

Yes and the physical side

21:54

of it is very expensive. These modules

21:56

are kind of, they'll call them boutique

21:59

and they'll be... 100 or 200 euros.

22:02

BCV rack, it's all free. All of this stuff

22:04

is free and you can run out on your machine and you don't need any

22:06

physical space to do it. Cardinal,

22:09

it's not like an angry

22:11

fork of the project. It's a copy of the

22:14

project at a certain point but adds a load

22:16

of new features and puts open source development

22:18

at the heart of the whole project.

22:21

It bundles all of the plugins. They're

22:23

not add-ons. They're not compiled as add-ons. There's

22:25

over a thousand now, different

22:27

modules that are part of Cardinal.

22:30

One of the problems with BCV rack was you couldn't

22:32

use it as a plugin because the developer

22:34

wanted the plugin to be a commercial project.

22:38

So as a plugin you can use it inside

22:40

your own door, for example, inside Arda.

22:43

Cardinal has supports CLAP, supports

22:45

VST, it supports LV2

22:48

and it supports LV2 and

22:50

interconnecting between LV2 plugins

22:52

which is a feature specific to LV2.

22:55

So it's a big upgrade if you care

22:57

about open source on BCV rack and

22:59

just as powerful. It sounds to me like

23:01

the Libra office to VCV racks

23:04

open office. Yeah, I think hopefully,

23:07

I mean I'm all for open source and seeing the whole

23:09

thing carrying on developing in a flourishing

23:12

open source community. So yeah, I

23:14

hope so. Cardinal, I suppose, has some

23:16

of the naming problems associated

23:18

with the Libra office that VCV rack does

23:20

say what it does. But hopefully.

23:22

Yeah, Cardinal's better than VCV rack

23:25

though. Cardinal kind of sounds good. Yeah,

23:27

but are they going to get the mindshare?

23:30

I would imagine that music

23:32

tech nerds are going to be

23:35

more on it. This is not something

23:37

that normal people use like open office.

23:39

Normal people use spreadsheets

23:41

and docs whereas

23:44

the only kind of person who's going to do this

23:46

is someone who's like a bit of a nerd anyway.

23:48

So hopefully, you're

23:51

not going to have that same problem then. What

23:53

was that publication that you talked about before Graham

23:55

that actually exists by audio

23:58

nerds and it's still existent?

26:00

And then yes, there in fact is

26:02

a format for that, which is apparently actually

26:05

not quite that new But it's a fairly

26:07

simple text string and I've linked

26:09

to a page on how you can generate your own

26:11

with your own network password We're using

26:13

the QR and code tool, which is really handy

26:15

I use that all the time for loads of projects

26:17

like wire guard configs and stuff like that It's very handy

26:20

to run them through that so you can just hand somebody

26:22

a QR code that they can get their config

26:24

done that way But this is a format then

26:26

Android knows about Probably

26:29

iOS can as well I don't know and

26:31

once you click on that it then automatically figures the network

26:33

and it knows what the Access point is not a lot

26:35

and then you have to worry about it You don't have to go right

26:38

now have it on the clipboard. Can I paste it? Oh,

26:40

no, the wankers have now disabled paste

26:42

into that field because they love doing shit

26:44

like that Let's do some feedback

26:47

then Richard says I thought

26:49

I would share a nice simple PDF editor

26:51

called PDF arranger

26:53

It does most of the things I need to do to a PDF

26:56

like adding removing and moving pages

26:58

Plus a few frills like booklet

27:01

printing. Yeah, that looks really good I

27:03

still would love to find some simple PDF

27:05

reader that allows you to fill in field. It's

27:07

for forms you've given I Don't

27:10

know why that's so difficult. I know ocular

27:12

sometimes does it I was gonna say Graham

27:15

I Just had

27:17

some this week from the school and found

27:19

it really in the end just ended up printing it and

27:21

scanning which is like crazy, yeah,

27:24

I know done that too. Yeah, I

27:26

remember having a Windows 7 partition literally

27:29

just for that because I had to do a lot of PDF form

27:31

filling at the time for my job and It

27:34

was just a nightmare that either have to in Linux

27:37

print it out fill it in scan it and I did that a few

27:40

times This is just madness. I can't

27:42

do that. And so I ended up just using the official

27:44

Adobe one which worked perfectly obviously

27:47

so It's nice when

27:49

you find one in Linux, but it generally

27:51

sort of Isn't going to work a hundred

27:54

percent at the time is it there's always going to be that one

27:56

little thing that doesn't quite work And requires you to

27:58

just print it out further in at it and

28:00

yeah so I will have to

28:02

check this one out though. It's gonna be the weirdest standard

28:05

PDF it really is it's

28:07

like open but not. Yeah

28:10

exactly I just don't understand

28:12

it bloody adobe. Right

28:15

well we'd better get out of here then we'll be back next

28:17

week when who knows probably some news or something

28:19

but until then I've been Joe. I've

28:21

been Adam and I've been Graham and I've

28:24

been Will. See you later.

29:00

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