0:10

Hello, welcome to episode 263 of Late

0:13

Night Limits. I'm Joe and

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with me are Fainan. Ahoy. Graham. Hello.

0:18

And Will. Hello. Let's get straight on

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with our discoveries then. Graham, what

0:23

is Naboo-Kasa? I've been

0:25

updating my home assistant setup over

0:27

the last couple of weeks. One

0:30

of the problems that I've kind of ignored, and I'm sorry,

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I have Nest thermostats here.

0:35

Boo. I had them before

0:37

Google bought them. Hate myself. You

0:39

should. For a long time, the API

0:41

was open and then I

0:43

think we talked about it. Google closed

0:45

down their authentic, their old style authentication

0:47

that they inherited from Nest. And

0:50

long story short, I always accessed my

0:53

home assistant through a VPN. I

0:55

wasn't prepared to expose ports

0:58

on my home network with home assistant

1:00

and also to set up the certificates

1:02

that it needs. The Let's

1:04

Encrypt certificates that I'd need for the devices running in

1:07

my house that I wanted to expose, which is what

1:09

I'd need to do for

1:11

Google Nest integration. And also quite a few

1:13

other kind of endpoints that I

1:15

might want to use. I also didn't

1:17

want to host home assistant outside of my home

1:19

network. I quite like the fact that it's running

1:21

here. Nabokasset is

1:23

a project that was started

1:25

by the original home assistant

1:28

developers, and it's a subscription

1:30

service that forwards on your

1:32

home assistant front end portal

1:34

and all the API calls

1:36

basically to your home assistant

1:38

instance directly internally to

1:40

home assistant. It's built into home

1:42

assistant. I think it's

1:44

$7.99 a month in dollars and

1:47

pounds and a bit cheaper in

1:49

euros and 10 times that I think

1:51

if you want to play an annual subscription and there's

1:53

a month's free demo, I'm not endorsed by them

1:55

at all. But it's

1:58

just a one click you enable it. in your

2:00

Home Assistant instance, and now you've

2:02

got, let's encrypt, you've also got

2:04

an online portal to access your

2:06

Home Assistant, and everything is forwarded

2:09

securely to your own instance.

2:12

And they also support your own domain name.

2:14

So if you happen to own some, I

2:17

don't know, Mucky JPEGs domain name or

2:19

something, and you want it to be

2:21

home.muckyjpeg.com, you can do that and

2:23

make that your Home Assistant portal. And I trust

2:26

it, it worked faultlessly. I got

2:28

the Nest integration working through HTTPS

2:32

and forwarding through Nebuchadnezzar. It didn't take that

2:34

much time. And actually, I hate subscriptions, but

2:36

I feel really good about this because part

2:38

of the money also goes back to Home Assistant

2:41

and in funding Home Assistant development. Very

2:43

interesting. I've looked at this before and

2:45

thought that seven pounds a month seemed

2:47

a little bit too expensive for the

2:49

value that I would get out of

2:52

it. My primary use case

2:54

would be the Alexa integration so that

2:56

I could use that

2:58

device, which I will not say the name of again,

3:01

in order to command the stuff

3:03

around my house. I do that

3:05

with a Node-RED extension, which

3:08

I subscribe to the Pro plan there, but I

3:10

think it's maybe a couple of quid, maybe a

3:12

dollar a month or something, it's pretty cheap. But

3:15

I would quite like to rationalize everything into a

3:17

single platform, but it just felt like it was

3:19

too much money. But you're

3:21

saying that it all just works, it's dead simple

3:23

and it therefore could

3:25

well be worth my money. Yeah, and

3:27

it helps support the project as well.

3:30

I mean, I haven't looked into it

3:32

too much. They say it does, the

3:34

community say it does. They use the

3:36

money to host the community and do

3:38

it without having advertising. So it's

3:40

almost worth it just for that alone if you use Home

3:42

Assistant, I think. Will,

3:45

Larmafile. Larmafile is quite

3:47

extraordinary. It is an

3:49

AI bullshit, which runs

3:51

llama LLMs. I've

3:54

muted failing then. You

3:57

can download an executable, which will run on the

3:59

web. Windows or Linux or Mac

4:01

or BSD, you can just

4:03

download a single file which is typically tens

4:06

of gigabytes in size but not really that

4:08

massive. Not when you've got gigabytes of magical.

4:10

No, I haven't told you about my internet

4:12

connection. You might have a couple of cards

4:14

at once. So

4:16

it doesn't take a massive amount of time.

4:18

For example, the wizard coder

4:21

Python 13b model is

4:23

7.3 gig for

4:25

the whole thing, which is quite impressive.

4:28

You download this file, you make it

4:30

executable, you run it. In some

4:32

cases there's a web UI, you go to

4:34

a localhost colon 8080 and there's

4:36

a box and you type in your questions and it

4:39

talks back to you. The wizard

4:41

coder one, you have to pass it

4:43

like C code, uncompliled in the command

4:45

line in order to ask it questions.

4:47

If you just run it, well mine

4:50

just started going on about bowel cancer

4:52

so I just kind of quit out

4:54

and try something else. Unprompted bowel cancer,

4:56

was it? Yeah, so I

4:59

tried the the Mistral 7b one which I think

5:01

is like the default one and it gives

5:03

you a web interface and you can just

5:05

ask it questions and I asked it some

5:07

questions and I asked it two significant questions.

5:10

One was why did Python switch

5:12

from print being a statement to a function

5:14

and it gave a very logical straightforward answer

5:16

and I asked it if it knew about

5:18

late-night Linux to which it said yes it

5:21

did and then it was a Linux podcast,

5:23

a weekly podcast run by two ladies and

5:26

then that was the end of that.

5:28

But the real amazing thing here

5:31

is that I could download from

5:33

the internet a single file and

5:35

execute it and it just worked

5:37

on my normal laptop and I

5:39

could sit there typing in questions and it was

5:41

giving answers. It's quite extraordinary. Hang on, hang on,

5:43

hang on, it was giving answers.

5:45

Well, I like, you didn't specify any of

5:47

them were correct. 50% of

5:50

them were correct. Hang on, that pointed one,

5:52

do we even know if that was correct?

5:54

It just sounded plausible. Yeah, it sounded, so

5:56

that's the half of it. Really. At

5:59

this point I don't really care about the quality of

6:01

the answer it's giving me. What I care about

6:03

is the portability of being able

6:05

to put these LLMs in

6:08

a relatively small container which are

6:10

executable across multiple platforms. The

6:12

correctness that can come later, this

6:14

is the real challenge here, making

6:16

it usable by normal people. I

6:19

can spout bullshit in almost no way,

6:21

so I don't see why that's forget

6:24

the feature. You raise

6:26

a fair point, but I would say give it

6:28

a go. Honestly, give it a go. Follow the

6:31

quick start guide within 30, well,

6:33

okay, depends on your internet connection. Within

6:35

a few minutes, you will be running

6:37

an LLM model on your machine which

6:39

you can interact with without sending data

6:41

to the internet. It's quite extraordinary. I

6:43

think you should try it. I think

6:46

it's very cool, Will. Thanks for bringing

6:48

this up. Imagine if all the companies

6:50

or startups want to mess around with

6:52

LLM via their online API and start

6:54

using something like this, it would help

6:56

us all get even better answers. Faid-in.

7:00

Faid-in, what is Over the Wire? First

7:03

caveat is I haven't done much because

7:05

I ran out of time for the

7:07

last two weeks. I was working on

7:09

a project, but it is a hacker,

7:11

sort of, inverter commas game. The

7:14

idea is you test out your skills.

7:16

They start off super simple in the

7:18

bandit level is what they start

7:20

off with where you're SSHing into a server, cat

7:23

in a file, and then next time you try to

7:25

do it, it's a dash, is the file name, so

7:27

you have to work out how to do a cat

7:29

in the dash file. It continues on. There's

7:31

about 30 levels of that first

7:33

game, but there's many, many of them.

7:36

The idea is to try and encourage

7:38

people to understand how to hack into

7:40

systems or how to extract info from

7:42

various servers in different ways and

7:44

learn various shell skills. It's quite

7:46

cool. Interesting idea. Now, obviously, I haven't

7:48

tried that much. I didn't have enough time. I'm going to

7:51

do it over the next couple of weeks if I've got

7:53

a bit of spare time here and there. I just

7:55

thought it might be a bit of a laugh for

7:57

people to try out. It starts off super basic. but

8:00

there is a hierarchy of how you do

8:02

it and the various games start on various

8:04

different levels. Anybody who knows

8:06

what they're doing banned it is probably a bit

8:09

too easy but there's probably still stuff in there

8:11

to catch out. So I thought it was quite

8:13

fun. Give people a different view of looking at

8:15

servers and how to get into them and learn

8:17

various bits and pieces. How do you get onto

8:19

this thing? It is an SSH server. So like

8:21

for instance as far as I got in the

8:24

bit of time I had the

8:26

SSH into the server, they give you the details and they

8:28

say you need to get the info for the next level

8:31

by getting info out of this file and

8:33

start off as just cat a readme file.

8:35

Next time we go around you log back

8:37

in as a different user into the server

8:39

as banned at one. He was

8:42

being banned at zero and the next file

8:44

is a dash and you have to how

8:46

do I get a dash and cat the

8:48

dash file and obviously

8:50

because that's part of a user input for

8:52

an option in the file it makes it

8:54

tricky to get to so you'd like dot/dash

8:57

whatever and things like that. So it's

8:59

quite cool and it continues on that way.

9:01

Now the thing is I obviously didn't have enough time to

9:03

try it out all the way but I just thought if

9:05

people want to give it a go or throw them some

9:08

money to help people out learn yeah

9:10

it's a valuable project I think.

9:12

I'm in. Don't

9:15

get distracted with such a recording here.

9:17

Do it. Do it. I've

9:19

mentioned before my quest to get

9:22

a decent experience on a big

9:24

4k TV and I was

9:26

determined to do that with a proper

9:29

x86 linux box. Well

9:31

I finally just cracked. It

9:33

was Black Friday. The Fire TV

9:35

stick 4k max was 55 quid

9:38

I think and so I just

9:40

thought right I'm going to buy this and plug

9:42

it into the TV and see how it goes.

9:44

I probably won't use it much but you know

9:46

it's only 55 quid whatever and

9:49

it's fucking brilliant and the reason it's brilliant is

9:51

yeah okay you've got your official apps like iPlayer

9:53

which is nice to have and have a reasonable

9:55

resolution although not 4k seemingly when I got right

9:58

up close to the end of the video. Most

10:00

of the tele it was a bit blurry and

10:02

not that good. But what

10:04

has really made the experience good is that

10:07

you can install some open source applications on

10:09

it. VLC, Jellyfin.

10:12

So I got my little wise

10:15

box, got a Jellyfin server going on that

10:17

and streamed it to the tele, no problem.

10:19

Even some pretty hardcore 4K

10:21

shit, which I actually had

10:23

to change the settings to be original

10:26

quality so I wasn't trying to transcode

10:28

it. I should be able to transcode

10:30

it, I'm not sure why it didn't. But anyway, so that

10:32

worked perfectly. But VLC,

10:35

and this goes for all platforms, a lot of

10:37

people don't know this, VLC will play local media

10:39

no problem most of the time. But

10:42

you can also play stuff from

10:44

the network. I mean, the video LAN is the company

10:46

that makes it. And streaming

10:48

stuff is its bread and butter. And

10:51

so you just go into browse and you can find in

10:53

my case the Samba server and

10:55

just browse through all of the files, all of

10:57

my DVD rips and whatnot, and just

10:59

start playing it, no problem. And apart

11:01

from a little bit of skipped

11:03

frames in iPlayer and

11:05

a bit of lag with Bluetooth,

11:08

it's pretty much a flawless experience I would

11:10

say. Are you not worried

11:12

about the fact that Amazon is gonna move

11:15

away from wherever they are right now to

11:17

their own thing? Well, it's funny,

11:19

right? I was editing the

11:22

conversation we had about that and Will

11:24

was saying about how, yeah,

11:27

it's gonna suck when they move away from it and

11:29

it's not gonna be Android, you're not gonna be

11:31

able to sideload stuff. And

11:33

I thought life is too short to worry about

11:35

tomorrow, let's worry about today. Right

11:37

now it's on Black Friday sale, let's

11:40

just fucking buy this thing and see

11:42

what it's like. And yeah, in future

11:45

I'll have to find another solution, but

11:47

that'll be fun finding another solution. Right

11:49

now I'm gonna use this fire stick and

11:52

be happy in the moment. You are a

11:54

millennial though, so I mean, that does, is

11:57

on brand. I'm a Samuel, we've

11:59

been over. this. You are a millennial that

12:01

is in denial is what you are. I'm

12:04

a geriatric millennial or something. It doesn't

12:07

matter. You're still a millennial. Still a

12:09

millennial. Whatever, whatever. But yeah,

12:11

I'm not thrilled about having an

12:13

Amazon fucking spying device on my

12:15

network. But again, life

12:17

is too fucking short, man. I just want

12:19

to watch the football, you know what I

12:22

mean? In good quality. Will's got some t-shark

12:24

commands for you to run on. Well,

12:27

I'm with you, Joe. I think that the

12:30

ease of use and the value for money

12:32

really is unbeatable. And

12:34

if you have to sideload a few

12:36

apps, and you can use it

12:38

for the next couple of years, I still think you've got value

12:41

for money. Yeah, and sideloading is still

12:43

possible. You can get this thing called

12:45

load or download or something. And I

12:47

got a YouTube client that is

12:49

just YouTube premium basically for free with

12:51

no ads, because I tried to sideload

12:53

new pipe. I thought this is Android

12:56

new pipe. I'm not using my phone

12:58

and tablets and stuff. It's going to be great.

13:00

Well, no, the UI is not made for a

13:02

big tele and a remote control. And

13:05

it was just a bit of a shit experience.

13:07

So I asked Chris from Linux After Dark, and

13:10

he recommended SmartTube, which

13:13

is smarttubeapp.github.io. And

13:15

fuck knows how long that's going to last.

13:17

But again, living in the moment, right now

13:20

it works brilliantly. Basically as well

13:22

or better than new pipe on my phone. So

13:24

if you've got any sort of fire stick,

13:26

I highly recommend that SmartTube app.

13:29

Is this really upsetting you Feynim? No,

13:31

look, they're all proprietary media networks

13:33

and stuff. And you know, if you

13:36

can take advantage of Bezos and lose

13:38

him a few cash because you're not

13:40

using Prime streaming services, then that's

13:42

cool. But like

13:44

I do worry that we're all getting wrapped up

13:47

in so many devices that we're not going to

13:49

get on there. And I just hope that we

13:51

can still like keep a decent open foothold on

13:53

it all. Yeah. I mean, I

13:55

considered using the Pi 5 for this and I might try it.

13:58

But for now, just

14:00

want to have a good experience on

14:02

this TV. Everything I've tried basically amounts

14:04

to, I have to set it to

14:06

1080p for it to work smoothly. It's

14:08

really annoying though. If you want

14:10

to do things legally, it's painful. It

14:13

is really painful, this type of stuff. Well,

14:15

if you want to do things legally and

14:18

not buy the proper devices to do

14:20

it with, if you

14:22

want to just pay for Disney, Netflix and

14:24

all the rest of it, just

14:27

get a fire stick or one of the others,

14:29

a Roku, whatever, sign in, have a completely flawless

14:32

experience. But if you want to use

14:34

those services on a Linux box, not

14:36

so much. Assuming those things are there

14:38

and available to you in your country,

14:41

and they're not necessarily going to be.

14:43

Really? Not necessarily. There's not everything everywhere.

14:45

Well, we've got Netflix and Prime, and

14:47

we use a PS5 to do it.

14:49

So it's like all the proprietary junk

14:51

gets shoved onto it. And

14:54

routinely a film that you were watching that used

14:56

to be there is now gone. I

14:58

had watched Sicario, really enjoyed it, was

15:00

watching Sicario too, had only got

15:03

about 20 to 30 minutes into it

15:05

whilst watching it on Netflix. Totally

15:07

got distracted. A month later came back to

15:09

look for it. Gone. Fucking brilliant.

15:11

Cheers. How do I watch that then? I

15:13

can't. Yeah, and they wonder why people resort

15:15

to the high seas. Well, yeah, I mean,

15:18

it is ridiculous. It's like, give

15:20

me a reasonable option to pay for

15:22

it legally. And yes, it's

15:24

not the stalman way of doing things.

15:26

But I mean, there's realities to it all. You

15:29

can either do it illegally or not have it. And,

15:31

you know, I'd rather have it. Well,

15:33

for me, it's more about the applications

15:36

rather than the platform. As

15:38

long as I can run VLC and

15:40

Jellyfin, I'm not massively bothered because

15:42

it feels like an appliance, which

15:45

feels weird because I'd never do that on a desktop.

15:47

I'd never be like, oh, I'll just use Windows or

15:49

Mac OS. I'd always use Linux

15:51

if I could. But as far as that's the

15:53

problem, I can't use Linux effectively

15:56

at 4K. It

15:58

just doesn't want to work properly. And

16:01

it's almost certainly my error.

16:03

I could spend ages making it all

16:05

work with the right hardware acceleration and

16:07

everything. But you just buy one of

16:09

these, plug it in, and you're just off to the races.

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17:36

you've got one from a listener on Mastodon.

17:39

Yeah, so Medi recommended Oh My

17:41

Bash when I was complaining about

17:43

Oh My Zudsh, Zedsh, Z-S-H, whatever

17:46

we wanted to call it. Oh

17:48

My Serhsh. Yes, exactly. So

17:50

Oh My Bash is for old-school people

17:53

who know what's good for them and

17:55

still use Bash. And this is essentially

17:57

all of those nice themes and plugins.

18:00

But for Bash, and I did try it out, I only tried

18:02

it out in the VM because I have

18:04

a load of cruft in my Bash RC

18:06

that I'd have to go through before I

18:08

could get it to work properly, but it

18:10

is a very simple script that you download

18:12

and definitely don't type into curl. In

18:15

fact, actually, this one doesn't go into curl.

18:17

They run it as a separate command shell

18:19

in Bash, which I thought was quite nice

18:21

of them. But yeah, you

18:23

download that, run it, and then there's a lot of,

18:27

it replaces your Bash RC shell. And

18:29

in there, there's various variables that you can

18:31

adjust yourself. And one of them is

18:33

a theme. And to be quite honest,

18:35

the theme is the one that I try to

18:38

most and some stuff in there is quite nice.

18:40

I bemoan the fact that a lot of them

18:42

seem to think that you don't need to know

18:45

your working directories that you're in right now. They

18:47

seem to go dot dot dot slash, and then

18:49

just the last or second last part of that

18:51

directory, which drives me mad because I need to

18:53

know where I actually am. Just PWD is fine.

18:55

If I'm PWDing every time I'm fucking dissed, I

18:58

might as well just have it in the fucking

19:00

list that's there. But honestly, some of them

19:02

were really nicely done. And you just go,

19:04

damn, I wish it was by default like

19:06

that. So quite nice. And

19:08

it's actually got a whole lot of plugins. The

19:11

Git one, I think, was about the only one I

19:13

really had any use for at the time. It uses

19:15

Pyens as well. But I don't use

19:17

that. I use some of the old Search and I'm

19:20

stuff. So I didn't get any use of that one

19:22

yet. But I'm going to try out some various plugins

19:24

on it. And it's really cool. There's about 70 themes,

19:26

apparently, so lots to choose

19:28

from. Yeah, and they say 24 plus plugins.

19:31

And the tagline for this seems to be,

19:33

your terminal never felt this good before. Yeah.

19:38

Some of the plugins are like Ansible,

19:41

AWS. There's a whole

19:43

load of stuff in there. I think Blue,

19:45

that's the Mac one, I think, isn't it?

19:47

Yeah. Obviously, it's cross platform. So

19:49

there's various stuff in there like NPM and

19:51

the JavaScript stuff is in there too. And

19:54

Kubernetes and all sorts of stuff. Oh, so you don't

19:56

need a fancy shell then? You do not.

19:59

You just need all these. fancy plugins, are you big around?

20:02

Side note, the website of the

20:04

developer of this, of

20:06

Omo Bash, his personal website

20:09

is like a shell and you interact with

20:11

it and type stuff in to get the

20:13

pages up. It's quite a lot of fun.

20:15

So if you're not gonna download

20:17

Omo Bash, I think you just still check

20:19

out his website. What? Where?

20:21

There's a link in the footer there. Oh, see

20:24

it now, yeah, you're right. Oh,

20:27

yes, command not found. Yeah, command

20:29

not found. Yeah, come on. I

20:32

totally implemented an entire operating system. What

20:34

is this? Some sort of joke? No,

20:37

this is actually quite cool. It's funny that

20:39

you do a dash L, whereas I do

20:41

it LL by default. Because in the budget,

20:43

it's alias too. Yeah, it's even the alias

20:45

of mine, I just never do it. That

20:49

is very cool. Let's do some

20:51

feedback then. Justin says, I

20:53

was wondering who your host is and if

20:55

there are some friendly, fast or open

20:57

source hosting providers. I'm wanting to start a

21:00

podcast and wondering if you can recommend a

21:02

hosting provider. Well, we just

21:04

use a VPS on Linux and

21:06

the media, the mp3s are hosted

21:09

with libthin. And it

21:11

really depends. If you want to start

21:13

a podcast, there's proper easy turnkey solutions

21:15

like fireside one and spot

21:18

five got one as well, where they'll

21:20

just take care of everything for you. Yeah, boo

21:22

exactly. But if you want something

21:24

you're in control of, then easy can try

21:27

and find some sort of Hugo thing like

21:29

Castanet or just

21:31

the classic WordPress and plugin

21:34

combination, like we do. I

21:36

don't know really, it depends how involved you

21:38

want to get with it. I mean, Graham,

21:40

what did you used to do when you used to have

21:42

your own show? Well, future, we

21:44

did have the kind of infrastructure, at least

21:47

we ran our own Ubuntu service. I mean,

21:49

it was a it was a button up

21:51

into 1804 on that for a long, long

21:53

time. And it wouldn't I don't think it

21:55

is recently, but until a few years

21:57

ago, it was a very good say eight or four

21:59

because it was Yeah, I was thinking that

22:01

was exactly the same thing. I

22:03

see, I think it might have been. You're right, I'm just forgetting.

22:05

I think you're right, it must have been 804. And

22:08

with the next voice we had sponsored hosting,

22:11

I think which is generously provided by Bite

22:13

Mark. I actually wanted to ask you

22:15

whether, can you share anything about

22:17

bandwidth, Joe? What the expectations might be on

22:19

how much would be downloaded to the demand

22:21

put on your host? Well, that's the thing.

22:23

I would advise if you're going to have

22:25

any sort of popular show, don't

22:28

host the media, the mp3s where you

22:30

host the website and the RSS

22:33

feeds. You want to offload that to someone

22:35

else, ideally a CDN. And

22:37

there's a few different CDNs, but

22:39

Libsyn is one of the earliest

22:41

podcast ones. And the pricing's

22:44

weird. They charge you, I think, $15,

22:46

$20 a month, whatever, and they have different plans.

22:49

And you get a certain number of megabytes per

22:51

month, and that's how much you can add to

22:54

the account. But then it keeps all

22:56

of your archives stuff. So

22:58

I think this show has been on Libsyn

23:00

for four or five years now.

23:02

And it means if I ever stop paying for

23:05

it, then they just delete it all and we're

23:07

knackered. But if I keep paying the $20 a

23:09

month, I can add a few

23:11

hundred megabytes of new shows to it before they

23:13

get archived at the end of the month. So

23:16

it's a bit of a weird sort of

23:18

pricing model, but it seems to work. And

23:20

I've never heard any complaints since we switched

23:22

to them in terms of speed, whenever I

23:24

download it, it's super fast. So I

23:27

would highly recommend not having your media

23:29

on the same box as

23:31

the RSS feed and the website. Because

23:33

you used to do that, didn't you? Then you had to

23:35

put Cloudflare in front of it. Yeah, that's right. But

23:38

actually, Cloudflare came when the story's gotten hacky

23:40

news rather than the podcast. Maybe that was

23:43

the popularity of the podcast failing. Yeah.

23:46

But essentially, to do a podcast, you need

23:48

an RSS feed and you need somewhere to

23:50

host the media. And if it's going to

23:52

be just like a few friends and your mum

23:55

listening, then just stick it on a $5 VPS. Not

23:58

a problem. If

24:00

it's going to be beyond a

24:02

few thousand people listening, then your

24:05

VPS is just going to get hammered every

24:07

time you release a new episode. If

24:10

the media is on there, if it's just the

24:12

RSS feed, then it doesn't really

24:14

matter. The RSS feed will often

24:16

go hand in hand with the website. If

24:19

you do a WordPress site, for example, you'll get

24:21

RSS more or less for free. Although

24:23

you can use plugins like the Blueberry

24:25

Power Press plugin, which makes it

24:28

really easy in iTunes compliant or Apple podcast

24:30

compliant. It's a bit

24:32

complicated really, but if you're just starting out and not

24:34

that technical, although I would imagine most of the people

24:36

listening are quite technical, but if you're not, then

24:39

I would advise just go for a time key solution

24:41

where they just take care of all of it for

24:43

you. You just upload your files to them and they've

24:45

got their own CDN that's probably just AWS ultimately.

24:49

They create the website and RSS feed and

24:51

everything for you and you just worry about

24:53

making the actual show. If

24:56

you are technical, then the easiest

24:58

way is probably WordPress or

25:01

I think some of the other, I think

25:03

Ghost has got some podcast plugins as well.

25:05

I don't know, it's just like everything in Linux and

25:07

software. There's a million ways to do it. Hosting

25:10

files directly in S3 is a pretty

25:13

cost effective way of serving to a

25:15

lot of people, but then

25:17

you've got to take care of keeping it all up to

25:19

date and so on and so on. But it's still a

25:21

pretty cheap way of not having to deal with CDNs and

25:23

that kind of thing. Well, yeah, you can do that with

25:26

the website as well if you

25:28

have a static site generally like Hugo. If

25:31

you don't have to worry about PHP

25:33

and stuff and MySQL or Maria or

25:35

whatever, then yeah, you can just create

25:37

the HTML website and that's what they do for

25:40

Linux matters. That just goes straight into

25:42

Linux object storage, which is just S3 I think and

25:45

that seems to work reasonably well. But

25:47

there's more work sort of upfront for that

25:50

I think. It took them, because they I

25:52

think took Hugo and Castanet and then had

25:54

to sort of adapt it a little

25:56

bit and it was a lot of

25:58

fucking around. Install

26:00

WordPress, install the podcast plugin,

26:03

upload your media to Libsyn. You can do it

26:05

in a couple of hours, if that. But

26:07

as always, there's a million ways to do it. Right,

26:10

well, we'd better get out of here then. We'll be back

26:12

next week when it'll probably be news and stuff. But

26:15

until then, I've been Joe. I've been

26:17

Faelem. You've been Graham. And I've been

26:19

Will. See you later. Mm.