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What is colloquially measured in terms

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of transatlantic flights? The

0:35

answer to that at the end of the show. My name's

0:37

Tom Scott, and this is Lateral. Transatlantic

0:46

passenger travel. The War of

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1812. The Arctic Naval Training

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Pact. Now there is one

0:52

more chapter we can write in the history

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of British-Canadian relations. Please welcome the team from

0:56

Answer in Progress. Welcome back to

0:58

the show. Hello. I was

1:00

so confused. Is

1:02

that terrible from Tahar there?

1:05

Yeah. I mean,

1:07

it's normally me that's insulting the script writers here.

1:09

It's because we're the guests coming on that. I

1:12

was like, wow, we really jump into

1:15

the questions immediately with this new format.

1:18

It is lovely to have you all back on the

1:20

show. We'll start with Tahar. How are you doing? I'm

1:23

doing fantastic. What are you working on with the

1:25

channel at the moment? Oh,

1:27

you know, I feel like Sisyphus pushing

1:31

a never-ending boulder up

1:33

a never-ending cliff. I'm

1:36

working on this video that I

1:38

feel like I was working on the last time I was

1:40

here, which is about personal

1:43

finance and money. It's just

1:46

never again will I ever take a big project

1:48

on. I feel like that's a good rule to

1:50

live by. Like, just don't take big projects. Also

1:53

joining us, Melissa Fernandez. Hello. How

1:55

are you doing? Welcome back. Hello.

1:58

I'm good. I'm excited

2:00

for some more questions and

2:03

answers. We hope. Good

2:05

brand. Good brand. What type of

2:07

answers? Are they in progress? Maybe. Probably.

2:10

There's a question mark there. I'm like,

2:13

I don't know what to follow that with.

2:16

Also, the last member of the trio, Sabrina

2:18

Cruz. Hello, it's me, Sabrina.

2:20

I am doing great. I love an

2:22

excuse to do some trivia at 9am.

2:25

Well, thank you for being up bright

2:27

and early. Our questions are a little

2:29

like the Canadian wilderness. Unexplored, breathtaking, and

2:31

prone to make you feel hopelessly lost.

2:34

So stop on your boots as we trek into question

2:36

one. Where do citizens of

2:38

Moscow use the mnemonic, Your boss calls

2:40

you to work, your wife calls you

2:42

home? I'll say that again. Where

2:45

do citizens of Moscow use the mnemonic, Your

2:47

boss calls you to work, your wife calls

2:49

you home? I'm trying to write it down so

2:51

I can see the letters. Wait,

2:53

would it be in Russian? I

2:58

appreciate that you went straight to this is a

3:00

word and anagram one. This

3:02

has been translated. Dang

3:05

it. When do you

3:07

use mnemonics in general?

3:09

You're trying to remember things. What

3:12

do they need to remember? What

3:15

do people generally need to remember? How

3:17

about this? What mnemonics do we use

3:19

in our lives? And then maybe... The

3:21

one about planets and... Is it like soup? My

3:25

soup... What's the soup? What's

3:27

the planet? You know the solar system? I

3:30

feel like there's soup in there. Saturn

3:32

is probably the word soup, you know? I feel like we

3:35

could create our own. Big

3:37

elephants only understand little elephants,

3:40

small elephants. I don't know

3:42

which one that is. What would you

3:44

use to remember that? How

3:46

to spell because. Oh, that's

3:48

so cute. Wait,

3:51

wait, wait, wait. Say it again. Big

3:55

elephants only

3:57

understand little elephants. That's

4:00

a B-O-L-A-T! This is gonna go on the

4:02

internet! You've gotta do what it's a B-O-L-A-T!

4:05

Oh no! It's something like that.

4:08

Big elephants... Can...

4:11

Always understand smaller elephants is... There you go.

4:13

Well I'm back solving that too, but I

4:15

don't know if that's actually it. That's

4:18

even more complicated than remembering because... It's just

4:20

the word for the word to come. Um,

4:24

north, south, east, west... Oh yes. Never use

4:26

shredded wheat. Never enter stinky

4:28

bathrooms. What was the... What

4:30

was the one you were trying to solve? Your boss

4:33

calls you to work, your wife calls you home? Yes.

4:36

Wait, can you say the words? Because

4:38

I think the number of words will be important.

4:40

Because that's what mnemonics are, right? But

4:42

it's translated. Yeah, but

4:44

the number of words... Surely the number of words

4:46

will be the same. It's not necessarily one-to-one.

4:48

It could be conceptually different. Yeah. He's

4:51

nodding. I wonder... I'm

4:53

nodding. This is a podcast, but he's nodding. What's

4:56

a mnemonic? It's a tool to remember

4:58

things. It's not

5:00

necessarily actually remembering letters or something

5:02

specific. It's any mnemonic to help

5:04

you remember a thing. Is

5:07

it about phone calls? Like, thematically

5:09

it feels like something about, like, do you need

5:11

to do, like, a... You know how

5:13

you sometimes need to hit numbers in order to call in a

5:15

direction? Mmm, like an

5:17

area code or something? Yeah, that's what the

5:19

word is. Is it

5:22

area code related? Could it

5:24

be? I don't know. Is it related

5:26

to remembering you have a wife? Mmm.

5:30

Is it remembering you have a job? Is it remembering you

5:32

have a job? Taxation. Okay.

5:38

Okay. That's the only thing.

5:41

Okay, what do you need when you have a job?

5:43

There's a certain directionality to it. A boss, that's a

5:46

thing that happens. See,

5:49

this just reminds me of, like, the saying, uh, what

5:51

was it? My

5:54

boss makes a dollar, I make a dime. That's

5:56

why I poop on company time. This

6:02

is a reminder to poop at home. Of

6:05

those last two suggestions, Sabrina, you're

6:07

a lot closer with directionality there.

6:10

I feel like people without jobs could also

6:12

benefit from knowing the cardinal directions. What

6:16

about Moscow? What's that all about? What's that

6:18

in the... You know, that's in the clue. So what's that all about?

6:20

Right. Yeah, this is specific to

6:22

Moscow. Not even Russia, just Moscow.

6:25

Just Moscow. Your boss calls you to

6:27

work, your wife calls you home. Could it be something... My

6:29

head's going like urban planning. Is

6:31

there like a highway situation where you

6:34

have to drive in one direction to

6:36

go home, another direction to work? And

6:38

there's a gigantic wife in the sky.

6:41

Like, home this way. I

6:44

think there is... I think it is that. I think

6:46

it's like something to do with how

6:49

many lanes are open on the motorway, one

6:51

way versus another, one way streets might flip.

6:53

Oh. Public transit

6:56

might work in a slightly different way during

6:58

rush hours versus not rush

7:00

hours. Oh, during rush hours. Could be parking,

7:02

free parking when it's not work time. Hmm,

7:05

that doesn't feel like directions. Tom

7:08

did point at me when I said public

7:10

transit. Yes, I was surprised

7:13

given that you have done entire

7:15

videos about public transit that you went

7:17

to cars first. Moscow

7:19

is too cold for public transit. Wait, that's

7:22

the way you're going to... I've never been to Moscow.

7:24

Wait a second. So, remind me where

7:26

you are right now. Oi-yo. Listen,

7:30

we went to Canada to do public

7:32

transit challenge and famously Canada was bad

7:34

at public transit. It wasn't because

7:36

it was cold though. We were in Ottawa.

7:39

It was specifically Ottawa, the

7:41

place where they blew up

7:44

their airport glass because

7:46

the plane was too fast.

7:49

The best possible public transit in Ottawa is

7:51

in the winter where the canal freezes and

7:54

suddenly there's a high speed skate route in

7:56

the middle of the field. There

7:58

you go. That's a very loose term. of public transit.

8:00

We are on public transit. We're on public transit.

8:04

So was this potentially like a governmental

8:08

like, because it's public transit related,

8:10

was this like a mnemonic that

8:12

like, PR

8:14

firms for like the government were trying to

8:17

get people to remember a certain policy that

8:19

they were enacting. It kind of has

8:21

that vibe. Is it like a see it say

8:23

it sorted kind of energy, where it's

8:25

like, it's the institution trying

8:27

to encourage only you can stop forest

8:29

fires. Where do you hear that? On

8:32

the Tanoi on the

8:34

platforms and in the tubes. Oh,

8:37

wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. Okay. Is

8:40

it potentially the if it's public transit? I

8:42

don't know if they have if they have

8:45

like subways or underground, they do the

8:47

Moscow Metro. Okay, what

8:49

if it is the shape of

8:51

the the path that

8:54

looks like a ring, maybe? Oh, I

8:56

thought you got it. I thought you got it. Okay,

8:59

not that the shape of

9:02

the shape of it's a little bit. It's a

9:05

bit more literal than that. You

9:07

can't say a lot more literal, Tom,

9:09

the show's lateral. I

9:11

can't think about anything literal. The Moscow Metro has

9:13

a lot of lines that sort of just

9:15

go outwards. There is a central hub

9:18

and things spread out from there. So

9:20

does hmm. Does one look like

9:22

a W, or whatever the

9:25

Cyrillic letter for W is? You

9:27

go inwards for your boss,

9:29

and you go outwards for your wife. Yes. Now

9:32

what does that mean? My

9:36

struggle here is certainly that they

9:38

would remember where their home is.

9:40

And they don't need a mnemonic

9:42

for it. So if you

9:44

are on a subway station, what

9:48

are some of the things you need to figure out? What

9:50

do you need to figure out which way you're going? So

9:53

basically, if you're going one way, you're

9:56

going towards your boss. If you're going the other way,

9:58

you're going towards your wife. So your

10:03

boss calls you to work and

10:06

your wife calls you home. Yeah.

10:08

Which means there is a, this

10:11

might be gendered, but I

10:13

think... What if the boss is a woman, Taha?

10:15

I think, I don't think there is any

10:17

girl boss happening in this situation. I think the

10:19

Tanoy guy is a guy when

10:21

you are going towards work and it's a woman

10:24

when you're going away. Yes, it is. On

10:27

the Metro, the

10:29

gender of the announcements changes depending on

10:31

whether you're going into the city or

10:33

out of the city, which is a

10:35

clue for people on the train as to

10:38

which way you're going. Like a confirmation that you're going the

10:40

right way on the train. The women

10:42

on this podcast currently are gobsmacked. They're

10:45

outraged. They're like,

10:47

how dare the boss not be able to be

10:49

a woman. I mean, as

10:52

I understand it, this has been going on for a

10:54

while. This is not a new mnemonic or a new

10:56

system. This is a very long standing mnemonic. This is

10:58

still happening? It's not an official

11:00

government policy. This is something that got coined

11:02

by someone who was listening to this.

11:04

It came up with the fact. Certainly there has

11:07

to be something official about the

11:09

weird coincidence that all of the trains

11:11

going out of the city are women and

11:13

all of the trains going into

11:15

the city are boys. It was

11:18

originally a clue to help the blind.

11:20

Apparently just one more thing, one more

11:22

wayfinding. It's actually inclusive Sabrina. How

11:25

dare you be outraged by

11:27

this. And also, even if you don't understand

11:30

Russian, you can still clue into

11:32

that being one more thing for direction. Sabrina,

11:35

over to you for the next question. Let's

11:37

do this. In the Game Boy

11:39

Advance title, Boktai, the player

11:42

enters the time and their location before

11:44

assuming the role of the hero,

11:46

Jango. His weapon fires bolts of

11:48

energy at various undead enemies. Now,

11:51

why would parents approve of the game's special

11:53

feature? I'll say it again. In

11:55

the Game Boy Advance title Boktai, the

11:58

player enters the time and their location. before

12:00

assuming the role of the hero Jango. His

12:03

weapon fires bolts of energy at various

12:05

undead enemies. But why would parents approve

12:08

of the game's special feature? I

12:10

feel like I don't actually know this, but

12:13

I feel like I've got a pretty good

12:15

guess. Are we all going to take a guess at

12:17

this and just see? Melissa, do you have a

12:19

pretty good guess or are you confused? I'm

12:21

like, I'm 50% there, but I'm not 100% there. I feel like I'm

12:24

just going to say that. How

12:27

many of you are gamers? How many

12:29

of you owned a Gameboy Advance? Absolutely.

12:32

I had a

12:34

Gameboy Advance SP,

12:37

which was backlit, whereas the Gameboy Advance

12:39

was not. So I was cooler. I

12:42

feel like the first note on Sabrina's question

12:44

card is going to be, it's not

12:46

anything to do with making sure that they're

12:48

in bed by like a certain hour. It

12:51

like locks it to that time. But I

12:53

feel like Taha and Melissa are both going, yeah, that's

12:55

it. I think, yeah, I

12:57

think it's to keep track of

13:00

night and day because they don't want kids playing

13:02

an undead game in scary

13:04

hours. I'll say this.

13:06

It doesn't have that extreme

13:09

of narc energy to it, but

13:11

you're on the right track. Okay,

13:14

here's my other theory. I

13:17

think it is that it's kind of like a

13:19

Tamagotchi in that the

13:21

undead only spawn slash roam

13:24

at night, which means they don't play

13:26

at school. Why do you go with

13:28

Tamagotchi instead of Minecraft? Yeah,

13:31

I'm saying it's connected to the day and

13:33

night cycle. Like they go to sleep at

13:35

night and they are awake in the day

13:37

in the same way that the zombies are

13:39

only roaming at night. So

13:42

they don't play Game Boy during school

13:44

hours. Maybe it's the opposite. I

13:46

feel like you're getting further, you're

13:49

getting colder. You're going deeper into the

13:51

night. You might be focusing on the

13:53

wrong time. Does it have like

13:55

narc adjacent energy or not at all? It does

13:57

have narc adjacent energy. Like,

14:01

what do parents say when their kids are

14:03

being little gamers? Little, little game

14:05

boys. Dinner is ready. And then the

14:07

kid's like, uh-uh, I gotta finish my

14:09

level. And I'm like, dinner's getting cold.

14:12

They're like, uh-uh-uh. You are on the

14:14

right track with the fact that, like,

14:16

the game has a reason for wanting

14:18

to know the time and location. And location.

14:20

It has something to do with it. Yes.

14:24

Hmm. I think that

14:26

means it's connected to the sunrise

14:28

and sunset. Oh.

14:30

Oh. Maybe

14:33

there was a really nice sunset in the game.

14:35

And you get to look at it. And

14:37

that's why they prepare it for happy. And apparently,

14:39

yes. This is good for the game. The game

14:42

refuses to turn on that backlight after

14:44

night, so you don't end up staring at

14:46

it under the covers. And again,

14:48

that's- You've gone too deep into

14:51

the narc field there. I

14:54

have a question. The game only

14:56

works during Twilight.

14:59

Why are you choosing such specific

15:02

times of day? OK.

15:05

So I think you guys are on the right

15:07

track with thinking about daylight. I

15:11

think that, you

15:13

know, it's

15:16

narc-adjacent. The parents are

15:18

kind of- they're trying to encourage

15:20

parents to buy this for their

15:22

kids. It's like a part

15:24

of the feature. But it doesn't have to

15:26

do anything with going into the night. You

15:29

know, it's not locking things off. I

15:32

think it's worth remembering this part of the question

15:34

where the nature of his

15:36

weapon, it fires bolts of energy

15:38

at undead enemies. Now, what

15:41

does that make you think of? Good

15:44

for energy. Big

15:46

flashes of light. Noises.

15:51

That went in a weird space. So, chase it.

15:54

I was thinking about how cereal in

15:56

the morning gives you energy. What if

15:58

it reminds your kids to eat breakfast? in the

16:00

morning. It

16:03

does come from a place of care. I'll say

16:05

that. Oh, okay. One of the things of

16:07

care you need. You need sleep. You

16:10

need food. You need exercise.

16:13

You need a 12 step skincare routine.

16:16

What else do you need? I just made a video about

16:18

it. What was the thing? I

16:23

don't know what else you would need. Okay, here's a little hint.

16:26

How were games distributed for the Game

16:29

Boy Advance? Cartridges. There might have been

16:31

something a little bit special

16:34

about those cartridges. Glow in the

16:36

dark. There were glow in the dark cartridges. There were?

16:39

There were also other things. I

16:43

remember that there was the one for Guitar Hero, where

16:45

it had little buttons on it. There are

16:47

other things that might have to do with the

16:50

time of day. There was a light meter. There

16:54

was a light meter, and you could only play it

16:57

in the light. Keep going. Keep going.

16:59

What would a child want to do? Play

17:01

it under the covers at night, trying

17:04

to grind Pokemon at night. What

17:06

if there's a light meter? Then you can't. Then

17:09

you have to use a flashlight, and then the

17:11

jig is up. What if

17:13

a child isn't smart enough to use a flashlight? What

17:15

if the Earth had a natural flashlight? Well,

17:18

you can only play it in the sun. I

17:22

feel like this is obvious now. I

17:25

feel like the thing came with a light meter, and you

17:27

could only play it in the sun. That

17:30

was good, because then

17:32

the parents are confident

17:34

that they're not playing this game at night. Why

17:37

are parents approving of that? Because

17:40

you can't play it at night. I'm so sorry. You

17:42

have to go outside to play it. You have

17:44

to go outside to play it. The

17:46

most internet kid indoor people

17:49

on Earth. It's the wrong

17:51

way round. The

17:53

game's outside. That's the

17:55

point. We're trying to

17:57

get the kids to game outside.

18:00

It's Pokemon go to the polls,

18:02

you know what I mean? I hate it. What

18:06

a silly idea. You just play it next to the

18:08

window. Like everyone's going to sit on the window sill

18:10

and just play it. The moment that you were like,

18:12

oh, no, it always has to be at night under

18:14

the covers. I was like, this is the wrong audience.

18:17

They have never once considered going outside. So

18:19

if the game knows that it should

18:22

be light outside, does it?

18:24

It can't like refuse to play. Like what was the

18:26

energy weapon about? Charge

18:28

the energy weapon. There we go.

18:31

You're in real life solar panel

18:33

for your internal game. Oh,

18:37

that's really cool. Yeah.

18:39

So the Game Boy Advance games, they

18:42

were released on cartridges and Boktai's cartridge

18:44

included a light sensor, which influenced how

18:46

difficult the game was to play. Now

18:49

the game's full title was Boktai. The

18:51

sun is in your hand, which is

18:53

so good. That is good.

18:56

And if the game was played in direct

18:58

sunlight, Django's solar weapons, they would charge up.

19:00

So during the evening hours, the player would

19:03

have to avoid enemies because their gun

19:05

ran out of battery. In

19:07

addition, vampires would not appear during

19:09

daylight hours. So you were right kind

19:11

of about like, oh no, the Tamagotchi

19:14

zombies, they're going to get you. And

19:17

some indoor levels had skylights, which could

19:19

only be discovered in the daytime. It

19:22

was released for the Game Boy Advance in like 2003 and Boktai received 36

19:24

out of

19:27

40 from the Famitsu magazine. So

19:29

it's a good game. I like, I take it.

19:33

Pull him, I go to the polls. Thank

19:38

you to Cody Weiland for this next question. One

19:41

American has been inducted into the Hall

19:43

of Fame for World Figure Skating, US

19:45

Hockey and US Speed Skating.

19:47

While these honors were given sincerely, they

19:50

were somewhat ironic. Who was he and

19:52

what was the irony? I'll

19:54

say that again. One American has been inducted

19:56

into the Hall of Fame for World Figure

19:59

Skating, US Hockey. and US speed

20:01

skating. While these honours were given sincerely,

20:03

they were somewhat ironic. Who was he

20:05

and what was the irony? Gritty.

20:10

What? You're

20:14

gonna have to explain Gritty. You've gone for the joke

20:16

and now you have to explain Gritty. Gritty

20:20

is the mascot for the

20:22

Philadelphia Flyers, a hockey team,

20:24

and he is, like

20:26

Cookie Monster, was

20:29

dumped inside a radioactive

20:31

sludge. Ew. Wonderful.

20:35

Okay, but I was on the same wavelength as you. I was like

20:37

a mascot. It must be like a winter

20:39

olympics mascot. It has that energy to

20:41

it. Who's gonna be that good

20:43

at three different things? Speed

20:46

skating, hockey, and figure skating.

20:49

Wait, did you say medals? Inducted into the

20:52

Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame.

20:54

What if it was a hockey person

20:57

who did something in a

20:59

match that was extremely elegant

21:01

and very fast? Oh.

21:05

Like they just did like some move in

21:08

hockey that was like wow. Okay, I feel

21:10

like somewhat obligated to get the answer on

21:12

this because I do consume hockey, but

21:15

I feel like I would have heard about

21:17

a hockey player that was so incredibly elegant

21:19

that they were inducted into a skating Hall

21:21

of Fame and a speed skating Hall of

21:24

Fame. Melissa, you're right. It would be very,

21:26

very strange for someone to be that good

21:28

at all three sports. Is it a person?

21:31

It is a person. Is it a person

21:33

wearing a costume top? No,

21:37

it's not. You go on the

21:39

wrong way with mascots, but you do know

21:41

his name. Wayne Gretzky. I'm

21:46

so confused by the silence. Yeah,

21:48

I don't know. I was waiting for someone to be

21:50

like, yep. No, it's not Wayne Gretzky. It's not. Wayne

21:53

Gretzky was not a figure skater or speed

21:55

skater. Oh, so they have to be. They

21:58

actually genuinely competed in all of them. It

22:00

wasn't just a hockey player who did... They've

22:02

made a contribution to all three sports.

22:05

What if it was a manufacturer? Like

22:08

they manufactured things for all three sports. Mr.

22:12

Bauer Mc... Mc... Kni...

22:15

Feet. Was that... Was

22:18

that Bauer McKnife Feet? It was.

22:21

I think we got it. I

22:23

think that's it. I

22:25

think that's it. To

22:28

make a contribution to all three sports does

22:30

feel like the thing that they have in

22:32

common. Or a Zamboni driver?

22:36

Oh! What's a Zamboni? Not much!

22:39

What's a Zamboni with you? Sorry. They're

22:44

the people who like clear the ice off and

22:46

like make it smooth again after people who like

22:48

carved it up with their skates. So Mr.

22:51

Zamboni maybe? The guy who invented

22:53

the Zambonis? Taha. You

22:55

are absolutely right. Despite not knowing what

22:57

a Zamboni was until about ten seconds

22:59

ago, it was Frank

23:01

Zamboni, the inventor of

23:03

the Zamboni's ice resurfacing

23:06

machine. I'm

23:10

so glad that the Zamboni is

23:12

named after Mr. Zamboni. That's great.

23:15

So good. So

23:17

the last part of the question, what was the irony? He

23:20

didn't skate. He hated knives. He

23:22

hated knives. He hated knives. He

23:25

hated knife feet. His name was actually

23:27

Mr. Kowloni and he invented the Kowloni.

23:30

What if he was like, he's the

23:32

goat of ice skating but hated ice skating? Yeah,

23:34

he didn't even like ice skating, he just invented

23:36

the machine to resurface the rinks. He's

23:39

also in the national inventors' Hall of Fame. It

23:41

makes total sense if you think about it.

23:43

He was trying to get rid of all

23:46

evidence of skating from the ice. He

23:48

was an ice enthusiast. He

23:52

Also invented a track cleaner for

23:54

NASCAR races, an artificial turf roller,

23:57

and a milk tank and pasteurizer.

24:00

In one of those is no

24:02

like not like the others downhill

24:04

since he really likes smooth surfaces

24:06

and also pasteurized milk. To

24:11

have over the next was. Okay,

24:13

this question is sent in by

24:16

Simon Jesus. The. Ownership of

24:18

the summit of Europe's highest

24:20

mountain. My blog is a

24:22

longstanding dispute between Italy and

24:24

France. However, since eighteen I

24:26

two, the Netherlands has also

24:28

claimed ownership of more blocks

24:31

summit. How I say

24:33

that again? the ownership of

24:35

the summit to Europe's highest

24:37

mountain More Block is a

24:39

longstanding dispute between Italy and

24:41

France. However, since Akino to

24:44

the Netherlands has also claimed

24:46

ownership of Mumbling Summit, How.

24:48

He can distill it, I claim outer

24:50

surface. I'm also gonna

24:53

claim on blogs some it's right now I'm just going

24:55

to just the inventor flag and stick it in that

24:57

are I Let me be the question again. Italy,

25:00

France, Tom Scott as the number.

25:03

Of months. Ago I sat through

25:06

theory. You want to hear my Cpu theories?

25:08

Can be rewind. I. Didn't. Even wait

25:10

for an answer. Theory One. The

25:13

first person a some it it. Was

25:15

from the Netherlands. And they

25:18

put their flag down see read

25:20

to airspace. Suggest.

25:22

Own the airspace, That the summit is

25:24

an. Can with

25:26

a close with either but I would say

25:28

you weren't close with either. One was closed

25:31

and about other. I'm

25:33

pretty sure it's not as based business like

25:35

the Netherlands is. Nowhere near

25:37

the Alps or it is

25:39

very famously. Quite.

25:42

Flat on a good bet him in mostly

25:44

level. But. Said exactly It's

25:46

it's where the you don't expect.

25:48

Them. To

25:51

always wanting to shocked when you least

25:53

expect them stop Sounds rude, but I

25:55

don't know if it is. First

25:58

again as like week. They share a

26:00

border, right? I forgot what the map looked like.

26:04

They don't share, they don't. Stop, don't

26:06

reveal the word North American, Melissa. Put

26:09

it away. I was like, wait a second, they're a little too far away

26:11

from each other to share that. Did

26:13

something special happen in 1802? I

26:16

don't know European history. Sounds like

26:18

a them problem. I

26:20

would say something did happen

26:22

in 1802, in which

26:25

resulted in them also claiming

26:27

ownership. I

26:29

feel like that's a given. Hmm. Was

26:32

it something that happened in the Netherlands or on

26:34

the mountain? Now that is a hard

26:37

question to answer. I would say it happened

26:39

both in the Netherlands and on

26:41

the mountain. Hmm. They

26:46

successfully, no, it's way too early

26:48

to have like a wireless telegraphy

26:50

link that they linked back from

26:52

the summit to the mountain just to claim it.

26:55

That makes no sense in several different ways.

26:59

They planted the, Netherlands

27:01

are the tulip people, right? They put a tulip

27:04

and a bicycle on top of the summit. Hmm.

27:10

And a canal. The

27:13

thing is we've run through stereotypes, but the

27:15

Netherlands are wrong. There

27:17

we go. So, no,

27:20

but they did do something. The

27:23

colour orange, I'm just going to anything I

27:25

know about the Netherlands. Did

27:28

they steal the summit? Did

27:31

someone Dutch climb Mont Blanc,

27:34

chip off the top of the mountain

27:36

and take it back to the Netherlands and now there

27:39

is a museum somewhere in the Netherlands with the former

27:41

summit of Mont Blanc? That's so European.

27:43

They love taking things. That

27:45

is basically what happened. Nice! Um,

27:48

so they own a chunk of granite taken

27:50

from the summit. Why

27:54

would they do that? I guess you could just

27:56

do that. Nothing's stopping you.

28:00

1987 geology pioneer oris

28:02

benedict ou de cecece

28:06

everyone in france just got angry and we're gonna roll

28:08

with it sorry france not

28:11

meaning to pick on your pronunciation too much

28:14

but you said horace, horace, in the manner

28:16

of someone from east of london dropping his

28:18

aces horace, horace,

28:20

horace, horace, horace

28:24

de benedict yeah, um,

28:27

led the first scientific expedition to montblanc

28:29

at the summit they dug for the

28:31

highest peak of rock they could and

28:35

claimed they had found the summit they chipped off a

28:37

piece of the granite and took it home in

28:39

1802 the tellers museum in harlem

28:41

netherlands acquired items from the expedition

28:44

including the granite fragment now

28:46

known as the tip of montblanc thank

28:50

you to jake meller for this next

28:52

question in 2007 the australian quiz show

28:55

spics and specs asked a question about

28:57

the men at work hit down under

28:59

the pop group was paid their usual

29:01

royalties and then ended up losing money

29:04

why? i'll say that again

29:06

in 2007 the australian quiz show spics and

29:08

specs asked a question about the men at

29:11

work hit down under the pop group was

29:13

paid their usual royalties and then ended up

29:15

losing money why? can

29:18

i point out the weird amount of

29:20

layers inside that question? yeah

29:24

what is... are we asking... are

29:26

we trying to answer why the

29:28

quiz show asked this

29:31

question? or why

29:33

they lost the royalties? or why they

29:36

lost money? or why it was a

29:38

hit oh! the quiz show

29:40

played the song they didn't have

29:42

it licensed and so they got

29:44

hit with a fine no

29:47

the pop group lost the money dang the

29:51

quiz show is a show about pop

29:53

music and pop music history so they were just

29:56

asking a question about the australian

29:58

hit okay wait so they asked

30:00

a question on their quiz show. And

30:02

as a result, the pop group lost

30:05

money. Yeah, they got the usual royalties for

30:07

it being played out, but they lost money.

30:09

The quiz show asked the question

30:12

that revealed where

30:14

the answer revealed something about

30:16

the song that

30:18

then got the band hit with a fine,

30:20

right? Like it was probably like it's they

30:23

pointed out that the song sampled something that

30:25

they did not clear the sample for. And

30:28

so it

30:31

was some researcher who thought like everybody knew this

30:33

fact was not a known fact. And so

30:35

they got hit with a fine. Surely that's

30:37

right. You have basically hit

30:40

every point on the first.

30:43

Well done. Has

30:45

that happened once? Sabrina remains

30:47

undefeated. Oh,

30:50

that sounds almost bitter there. We're

30:54

all proud of Sabrina. So

30:57

do you know the song and

30:59

do you know what it might have sampled? I

31:02

don't know the song. I don't know

31:04

the song, but I know what it's called. Total

31:06

Africa. Is

31:11

it another famous thing with Down Under in

31:13

it? I mean,

31:15

I don't know the song. I believe through through

31:17

Fair Use, we are allowed to play just a

31:19

brief sample of the chorus here. I'm already dancing

31:21

to the song. So

31:24

the song in question is one that you've probably heard, which

31:26

is the one that you've heard

31:28

before. Have you heard that before? Or

31:30

am I asking a question

31:32

to Gen Z again about a pop song? No

31:35

one's heard it. It's been looping at that exact thing

31:37

has been looping in my head. I

31:39

think you have a question. I don't

31:41

know that one. Yeah, really? Oh,

31:43

no. Is

31:46

it not so Africa? I

31:48

swear to Africa. It's not.

31:51

I've never heard that one before. I've

31:53

never heard that one before. Africa. Two

31:57

songs with the same vibes. but

32:00

are completely unrelated. Sabrina, this is down to you.

32:02

I'm gonna play you the actual part that was

32:04

under contention. I'll see if you can work out

32:06

what song it was. ["Fluke

32:10

Solo"] It

32:12

is the flute solo that is used

32:14

a couple times in there. Did that ring any bells? Lizzo.

32:19

Sorry. ["Fluke Solo"]

32:23

So you successfully nailed basically

32:26

every element of the question, despite

32:28

not really knowing the original song

32:30

and not knowing the thing it

32:32

sampled. Congratulations, but it's just

32:34

a brilliant sweep of a question. I'll

32:37

give you the details. The panelists were

32:39

asked, have a listen to this, name the Australian

32:42

nursery rhyme this riff has been based on. That

32:45

riff is very similar. We don't know if it

32:47

was actually taken from, but it was very similar

32:49

to Cukaburra Sits in the Old Gumtree, which is

32:51

not traditional. It was written by someone who died

32:54

fairly recently. It's still in copyright. There

32:56

was a lawsuit over it, and it was

32:59

purely because one Australian panel show

33:01

went, that's a bit

33:03

similar, isn't it? That's pretty strong evidence,

33:05

because a layperson has basically connected the

33:07

two. Yes. I mean, that must

33:09

have been hard for them to argue against in

33:12

court. Now I want to hear this song. In

33:14

the end, the company that owned the rights settled

33:16

for 5% of the royalties from 2002 onwards. They

33:19

wanted 60%, so there was some arguments.

33:26

Melissa, last guest question of the show is

33:28

yours. This question is in sentence by Brian M. So,

33:33

Stella needs to make a replacement

33:35

shelf bracket precisely to line

33:37

up with the existing screw holes. She draws her

33:39

wooden design using a ruler where the markings are 1% further

33:41

apart than normal. Yet

33:45

the bracket fits perfectly. Why? One

33:49

more time. Stella needs to make

33:51

a replacement shelf bracket precisely

33:53

to line up with the existing screw holes. She draws her

33:56

wooden design using a ruler where the markings

33:58

are 1% further apart than normal. percent

34:00

further apart than normal. Yet

34:02

the bracket fits perfectly. Why?

34:06

I have a very specific

34:08

question. Is she in Philadelphia?

34:13

She is gritty. I

34:19

don't know and I don't think that is irrelevant.

34:21

I think that is irrelevant. Is

34:23

there different rulers? Yes.

34:27

So there is the Philadelphia foot

34:29

and the Philadelphia yard which

34:31

are used only

34:33

for working

34:36

out building plot sizes.

34:41

And also thinking about it that wouldn't work for a bracket

34:43

because as soon as you are inside the house you go

34:45

back to using normal measurements. It

34:49

is only for land plot sizes. I

34:51

thought I was being really clever there and

34:54

I was just entirely wrong. I have two

34:56

thoughts. Was the wall that they are mounting

34:58

onto, I am assuming they are mounting onto

35:00

a wall. I didn't say that but

35:03

I am assuming that is a thing. I

35:06

like my shelves on the ceiling. It

35:09

is not exactly flat. It is

35:11

curved. So having

35:13

one percent extra would

35:16

do something. What was your second

35:19

thought? My second thought is that I

35:21

am wrong. I don't remember my

35:23

second thought. I

35:25

have something that is quite similar

35:27

to your thought I think. But

35:31

you specified one percent and

35:33

would. And I have this

35:35

door inside of my old childhood

35:37

home that during some

35:39

seasons that door closed just

35:42

fine. And then other seasons

35:44

the door didn't fit into

35:46

the doorway. So

35:48

does seasonality or heat have something to

35:50

do with this? Not

35:53

seasonality. But heat. You

35:55

are kind of teetering on potentially

35:57

heat? But

36:00

you're getting closer. Wood

36:02

expands when it's wet as well. So maybe

36:05

this is not a ship or something like

36:07

that, but why would

36:09

your ruler be different? I

36:11

feel like your ruler isn't different. It's

36:13

potentially that you have to drill

36:16

the holes or carve the wood at a different state

36:18

to what it will be when it's on the wall.

36:20

No, like, if I'm remembering

36:22

the question right, like the ruler has, the

36:25

ruler is wrong if I'm remembering the question

36:27

right. Correct. The markings on

36:29

the ruler are one percent further apart than usual.

36:32

Is the ruler made out of wood? The

36:36

material of the ruler is irrelevant,

36:38

but they're using this ruler intentionally.

36:40

So what I'm hearing here is that Tom understood the

36:43

question correctly, and you and I, Taha, didn't.

36:46

Yeah, I thought they were using a normal ruler

36:49

and just calculating. The

36:52

wood's going to shrink, then, if

36:54

they're making the holes one

36:56

percent bigger than they should be, then

37:00

the wood is going to shrink by about one

37:02

percent, and then the bracket will fit in

37:05

just fine. Is that like the correct order of events? Yeah,

37:07

that's the correct order of events, that things would happen.

37:10

So the wood would be wet when it's

37:12

carved or crafted. Well,

37:16

what's the CNC machines? Do

37:18

they use water? The water jet? Oh,

37:20

yeah, some do. Yeah. What's

37:22

a CNC machine? It's

37:24

a computer navigated cutter. Full

37:27

on guess. I

37:30

don't know what CNC actually stands for. I've

37:33

used that word so many times, and

37:36

yet have never thought to think what that

37:38

would stand for. Thank you to the producer.

37:41

Computer numerical control. So

37:44

I got one. One out of three. I

37:46

feel like your one was better, Sabrina. Yeah,

37:48

exactly. OK, I

37:51

feel like I need to give a hint. The

37:53

final product that Stella is making is

37:55

not made from wood. Oh,

37:58

it's a mold. It's

38:00

a mold. So then it will

38:02

naturally like she makes the thing

38:04

big and then she cast it

38:07

and then she does

38:10

other stuff to it. I don't know how molding works

38:12

or it's like one of those molders like you have

38:14

to destroy the thing in order to like create.

38:16

You know what I'm saying? I'm not making

38:19

a full sentence but it's the vibe I'm

38:21

putting out in the world. The

38:25

mold has to be 1% bigger so that the

38:27

thing is 1% smaller. Yes

38:29

that is right. So basically

38:31

the material that Stella is

38:33

making this bracket from

38:35

is cast iron. So she's got to

38:38

make the pattern 1% bigger so that when

38:40

you pour the cast iron in it

38:42

cools, it shrinks and then it fits perfectly.

38:44

So like that wooden, that

38:47

ruler... It shrinks because

38:49

it's metal. It's juicy

38:51

metal. So that's

38:54

why the ruler is 1% bigger. I

38:56

meant to say liquid metal not juicy metal. And

39:02

that is what you'll forever be known as.

39:05

But also I guess wood doesn't extend as much or

39:07

shrink as much as cast iron

39:09

but that was... You didn't interact with this

39:11

door dude. This door really... Your

39:13

specific door? It

39:16

was made out of juicy metal. Did you get

39:18

stuck? What happened? Listen,

39:21

I never closed it out of fear that

39:23

I'd get stuck inside. It was in

39:25

the mud room. You know like the room that's

39:28

like an unfinished part of the basement that's definitely

39:30

where murders would happen. It was that room. Doesn't

39:32

everyone have that room in their home? The murder

39:34

corner of the basement we all have. Like

39:37

a cold cellar right? Like that room?

39:40

My family would just store pallets of

39:42

Coke Zero inside that room. Keeps

39:45

it cold. So basically she needed to

39:47

take shrinkage into account when she was making the making

39:50

the bracket and because different

39:52

materials shrink differently depending on what you

39:54

use. In

39:56

the case of cast iron it's usually between an eighth of

39:59

an inch to a quarter of an inch per

40:01

every foot that will shrink. And

40:04

so you have these special rulers called shrink

40:06

rulers or pattern maker

40:09

scales that have these

40:11

measurement markings that are slightly larger so that

40:13

when things shrink it's

40:15

actually the right size. Just

40:18

one last thing then, which is the question

40:21

I asked the audience at the start of

40:23

the show. What is colloquially measured in terms

40:25

of transatlantic flights? Any quick guesses from the

40:27

answer in progress, T? Carbon emissions. Ooh.

40:31

You know what? That is a valid alternate

40:34

answer. I think that's the first valid alternate

40:36

answer we've ever had in all the episodes

40:38

of Lateral. I can't tell you you're wrong.

40:40

That is also colloquially measured in transatlantic

40:43

flights. It's just not the answer I've

40:45

gotten by card. Titanic's. Not

40:47

the machine that's in front of you. No,

40:53

I was going to go for carbon emissions as well. There

40:56

is one other thing used by doctors. Doctors?

40:59

Doctors. If they're explaining

41:01

something to a patient. From the

41:03

deep vein thrombosis situation.

41:06

I don't know. How many

41:08

holidays they had that year? I

41:11

don't know. Doctors

41:13

has really thrown me off. Radiation.

41:16

If you're explaining to a patient how much

41:18

radiation they're going to get from an X-ray

41:21

or a CT scan, you can also explain

41:23

the dosage as being equivalent to a certain

41:25

number of transatlantic flights. From

41:27

all your reactions. Radiated?

41:30

During the week? When I go to

41:32

Canada, do I get radiators?

41:35

Yeah. That's why we sent Taha over

41:37

the scene. Taking

41:39

one for the team the whole time. You guys

41:41

are traveling next time. Alright,

41:43

so that's a follow-up question. Can you work

41:45

out why? The sun, you're

41:47

closer to it. That can't be

41:50

it. I was like, yeah,

41:52

that's right! It's not really

41:54

the sun, although you can get more sunburn. There's

41:57

something that isn't in the way anymore. Oh, the

41:59

ozone. layer. Wait,

42:02

no we don't go above the ozone layer never

42:04

mind. What's the

42:06

galacticality? What's

42:11

not that cloud cover? The atmosphere

42:13

in general. Cosmic rays get stopped by the

42:15

atmosphere. If you are 30,000, 35,000 feet up

42:17

a lot of that atmospheric protection is

42:22

gone. So a normal chest x-ray

42:24

equals about two transatlantic flights. That's

42:27

the there and back. That's the

42:29

round trip. Yes. It's

42:32

meant to be assurance that it's not

42:34

actually all that much radiation. But I

42:36

do fear that I now feel like

42:38

I've freaked you all out about the

42:40

tiny amount of radiation you're going to

42:43

get. So with that, while you're all

42:45

still here and not entirely freaked out,

42:48

tell us about Answer in Progress. Where can people

42:50

find you? We're going to start with Taha. In

42:52

the production of Answer in Progress videos, I've had

42:54

three chest x-rays. It's been horrifying.

42:58

Melissa, tell us about some of those videos. We

43:00

make videos like, why are there so many

43:02

pasta shapes? Why you

43:05

can't sleep? It's not a

43:07

video we made. I was like, that's not

43:09

the name of the title. And

43:11

Sabrina, where can people find you? You

43:14

can find us at youtube.com/

43:16

Answer in Progress or with

43:19

the new handle system, youtube.com/app

43:21

symbol Answer in Progress. Such

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a bad system. Well, if you want to know more about

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this show, you can do that at

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lateralcast.com where you can also send in

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your own ideas for questions. We are

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on YouTube multiple times a week at

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the increasingly irritating youtube.com/lateralcast or youtube.com/at lateralcast.

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I'm glad it's not just me who's

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angry about that. We

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are at lateralcast basically everywhere else. With

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that, thank you very much to the

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team from Answer in Progress Sabrina Cruz.

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Well, thank you. Melissa

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Fernandez. Bye-bye. And

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Dara Harkon. My name's Tom Scott

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and that's been Lateral. Thank

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you.