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as one. There

1:04

is so much news that a

1:06

proper legal world tonight a frightened

1:08

to clips every other story will

1:10

bear about you What we've learned

1:13

about the question that will decide

1:15

who get that image. Jerry Box

1:17

for Trump's as many trial class

1:19

Donald Trump. Those that because fervent

1:21

supporters under the bus, why hisave

1:23

an abortion could cost him Republican

1:25

votes come November and women's basketball

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star rating record viewership for last

1:30

night and feed that boy championship

1:32

game And while South Carolina. Has

1:34

averaged over the true Dynasty. Now there's

1:36

a warning for Caitlin Clark and her

1:38

future tonight and Marco to live. Right

1:48

now, raise your hand if you what

1:50

jury duty. Okay, We'll

1:52

keep map if you want to be on the

1:55

jury for the first criminal trial against a former

1:57

President. Now. I see some hands

1:59

well today. I be your lucky day

2:01

because I've got the questions said potential

2:03

jurors are gonna have to answer to.

2:05

possibly. Be. Selected for jury

2:07

duty in that hush money trial spare.

2:10

The trial is actually set for one

2:12

week from to Nice on April fifteenth

2:14

for jury selection a minute. Trump is

2:17

trying again to get that trial date

2:19

pushed back family that he would not

2:21

get an impartial jury. Well, no does.

2:23

is it Appeals court judge said no

2:26

Salama April Fifteenth. If it's I'll just

2:28

keep everything straight for you. The one

2:30

in New York where the former President

2:33

is accused of falsifying business records, the

2:35

corruption, alleged affair with adult film star

2:37

or me, Daniel. and make no mistake

2:39

about it, who is ultimately on that

2:42

jury is arguably the most important part

2:44

of the trial. Your. To hear

2:46

some of those questions and just a moment

2:48

my want you to ask yourself why you're

2:50

hearing them. Would I make it onto the

2:52

jury? Are: would I not? Do you even

2:54

want to be on this Juri. And.

2:56

We've got some more legal news

2:58

out tonight on the former President

3:01

That's a powerful Jack Smith urging

3:03

the Supreme Court to throw his

3:05

claims of sweeping and unity claims

3:07

that they say have no grounding

3:09

in the constitution or in our

3:11

understanding that no one, not even

3:13

a president is above the law

3:15

he wrote the severity range and

3:17

democracy damaging nature of the alleged

3:20

crimes are unique in American history.

3:23

Better. Than and hasn't stopped Trump

3:25

from demanding immunity. And over.

3:28

And over. And over.

3:32

A President of the United States has

3:34

to have immunity. To show. You

3:39

have to have a guaranteed of beauty

3:41

for Brazil President has has immunity. Person

3:43

is nothing. In

3:47

all of and. Well. I want to

3:49

bring it's Happy Rights the former lock clicks The

3:51

Supreme Court Justice Sonia Sotomayor also here as simple

3:54

as or a a former Trump attorney knell of

3:56

I want to get into was having the Supreme

3:58

court's but I have been champing at that to

4:00

get these. why the or question the fancy way

4:02

of fans The questions I want to ask you

4:05

if you don't want to choose Youtube in the

4:07

jury or strike you for my Juri rights I

4:09

want to go through some of these wish you

4:11

guys Okay so first of all on the impartiality

4:13

at we know there's a hearing or there's appeals

4:16

court on this issue but because the question him

4:18

off our with you here is one of the

4:20

question. Do. You currently follow

4:22

Donald Trump on any social

4:25

media site. Or. Have you done

4:27

so in the past. Another one.

4:29

Have you ever worked or volunteered

4:31

for any anti Trump group or

4:33

organization, or do you have any

4:35

strong opinions are firmly held beliefs

4:37

about former President Donald Trump or

4:39

the fact that the current candidate

4:41

for the presidency That would interfere

4:43

with your ability to be a

4:45

fair and impartial jury? Okay, these

4:47

are obviously but Trump. Lot of

4:49

questions Breakdown for me as a

4:51

defense attorney, what answer you're looking

4:53

for in these answers? By

4:55

the I think the the answer would force

4:57

unbeaten can be fair. And and I

5:00

figured they would love to find people

5:02

who say your yes, I followed him

5:04

your so supported him but I can

5:06

still hear this case fairly are somewhat.

5:08

The flipside: that though no I don't support of

5:10

no I don't follow him and. I can

5:12

still be fair would that be someone you'd Also, she's. Bad

5:15

as some that with somebody you're not can be

5:17

able jobs because. And. So young. Ultimately

5:19

you're going to go through these Juri questioners, forget

5:21

who gets shows for cause and then at the

5:23

end of it here with the peremptory challenges are

5:26

you doing is taken off the worst years on

5:28

each side, so you end up with what's in

5:30

the middle. Let's write that down for

5:32

a second hippie an idea the for closers

5:34

has peremptory. It's important that the now how

5:36

you do this right you get these jury

5:38

is still the courtroom a sense that are

5:40

ask questions and that the judge asked are

5:42

not and then you have a chance to

5:44

say you should not be on story because

5:46

you've come in here in the family like

5:49

your honor I will never in any way

5:51

a quick this person I don't care what

5:53

you tell me when that first time is

5:55

right at the to them to restate is

5:57

interesting tenafly to think of interesting because it

5:59

can be for. Read more: No reason at

6:01

all on their our constitutional parameters that you

6:03

can't strike someone. For example, because of ways

6:05

you can't strike, because and gender. But there

6:07

are all sorts of other things that are

6:09

fair game, right? You can ask someone as

6:11

in this case, what sort of media you

6:13

consume and what does it tell me about

6:15

you Do I like the way you looked

6:17

at me when I asked you that question,

6:19

right? All of these are fair game for

6:21

peremptory challenges as long as you stay with

6:23

unconstitutional parameters are really important point and that's

6:25

where the subjectivity comes into play, right? You

6:27

could literally like someone because you're like. Air

6:30

my me of my ex our like you

6:32

or it could be the way you approach

6:34

we're looked at here, didn't make eye contact.

6:36

makes me wonder if you actually trust the

6:38

government or the defensive sad but so important

6:40

about the race, the gender et cetera, religion

6:42

as well. What about politics? Our best to

6:44

try to get at that hasn't been covered

6:46

to civically of the peremptory reason. Issues.

6:48

You know it's something you normally don't get

6:50

into. Have a seat on. Normally has somebody

6:52

like this you don't normally have. Former president

6:54

you mean was a riot at it. As

6:58

a good as it is important to

7:00

you to try and figure out everybody's

7:02

biases arm yeah, but ultimately gotta remember

7:04

them in Manhattan. News is so overwhelmingly

7:07

democrats the you're going to end up

7:09

with plenty of people on a jury

7:11

the didn't vote for and really feel

7:13

when it comes to the peremptory challenges

7:15

you want to just take over things.

7:18

To people, do you think you're going to

7:20

be the most negative towards you know jury

7:22

selection is such a misnomer. You're not really

7:24

selecting who you one on the jury, you're

7:27

selecting who you don't want. Arms Juri three

7:29

exclusive right. As many rounds you end up

7:31

with what you have left which will hopefully

7:33

if the system works right is the people

7:35

were in middle. Another question that intrigues

7:38

me as well. Here's another one: Have

7:40

you ever consider yourself a supporter of

7:42

or belong to any of the follow.

7:45

The queue and on movement. Proud Boys

7:47

Oath Keepers three presenters, Boogaloo Boys and

7:49

keep us the list actually go Lions

7:52

I'm remember of to the leaders of

7:54

the Oath Keepers were sentenced and see

7:56

years in jail for their roles on

7:59

January Six Edu. The answer yes flung

8:01

pay these group So what would that?

8:03

Shall you as the prosecution or defend.

8:06

I think that are getting mad is do

8:08

you have some sort of sympathy for group

8:10

with which President Trump? Former President Trump has

8:13

been aligned And I thought this was an

8:15

astounding part of the questionnaire for me because

8:17

it made me wonder the quote Eric Killed

8:19

Monger? Is this your king? Is there? Are

8:22

you really Republicans nominating some one where we

8:24

have to ask an official court records: Are

8:26

you associate with a balloon boy? Are you

8:28

associated with a Proud Boys And what does

8:31

that say about where we are as a

8:33

country Back surgeries? I think they're trying to

8:35

judge. Whether or not you will

8:37

have sympathy with these groups or whether or

8:39

not that will align with President Trump Some

8:42

I look at those questions and say okay,

8:44

I guess that is that where A January

8:46

Sixth case for this is a hush money

8:48

case involving for me Daniels for contact that

8:50

occurred shortly before the election. Back and Twenty

8:53

Sixteen still surprises This question's included here or

8:55

based on how this is all play been

8:57

put together, it would make sense. Know you'd

8:59

totally makes sense to me because especially

9:01

when you have we're groups kind of

9:03

on both sides. You're proud boys. Minute

9:05

piece Us Visa groups. It as a

9:07

whole. Are. Willing to ignore the

9:10

constitution to pursue whatever their individual political

9:12

goal is. And so I think it's

9:14

a great question Because it's good. I

9:16

think just met a writer says yes

9:18

to that question is going to be

9:20

jones for cause it's because when the

9:22

judge says you have to fall because

9:24

you have to presume the defenders is

9:26

innocent gifted, hold them to their burden

9:28

of proof. These are people that have

9:30

demonstrated. That. They're okay with ignoring

9:32

that. So as I do think it is

9:34

a good question. City of those who are

9:36

alleged to have ignored the law friends the

9:38

Supreme court for that necessary words as if

9:40

is that way man But I can see

9:43

where you would make that leap for like

9:45

I am I being sarcastic or sincere? I

9:47

don't else but we're talking about the immunity

9:49

issue here. The Special counsel is urging the

9:51

Supreme court as you well now. Nazis

9:53

say that President Barack, President Trump

9:56

has immunity from all fangs. I

9:58

remember that now. infamous. During the

10:00

discussion about whether or not you could order

10:02

your political opponent to be assassinated by Seal

10:05

Team Six I know you've always taken issue

10:07

with. I now see because you have had

10:09

a lot of work with it with the

10:11

field is beyond spite. The arguments are A

10:14

is making this is really interesting because on

10:16

April Twenty Fifth Symphony they're going to get

10:18

into this conversation. What did you take from

10:20

the pleading so far but so you who

10:23

has a stronger argument. I. Think

10:25

the argument that President Trump has absolute immunity

10:27

as one that there is no way he

10:29

gets to five votes on the Supreme Court.

10:31

For thought I thought that was a strong

10:33

argument bisect Smith. I think where we run

10:35

into trouble is I think what the court

10:37

will pay if there is some zone of

10:39

activity for which the President does have immunity

10:41

if you're acting within your constitutionally prescribed role

10:43

and I think that's going to be difficult

10:45

and what I thought the pleadings assessment is

10:47

worried not about losing on absolute immunity question

10:49

of the possibility that they'll say there was

10:51

some zone where he does have immunity and

10:53

we have the kicker back. To the. Trial Court

10:55

in order for answer factual question. About

10:58

whether or not he was operating in that

11:00

zone Saxena for fighting hard against the man

11:02

in those papers is it's real said what

11:04

happened. Was if these

11:06

and I agree with a completely I

11:09

think that they are going to come

11:11

up with some kind of snow qualified

11:13

immunity and kicks back down for an

11:15

evidentiary hearing were judge shows can is

11:17

going after them. have a hearing, your

11:19

hear testimony and figure out your which

11:21

portions of this indictments may fall within

11:24

or outside of the scope of the

11:26

or whatever to go on tours of

11:28

spring Coors Light out and I think

11:30

that's the thing the Jets misses. most

11:32

worried about there is. Another

11:34

evidence rehearing after it appeal to the supreme

11:37

court is going to push this trial way

11:39

out past the action. I mean that's

11:41

a real fear is that means you have their

11:43

adventures here And and by the way it the

11:45

Supreme Court says that they could on the one

11:47

hand say. Now. Get that Absalom

11:49

Unity but I'm still have them do the fact

11:52

finding mission below that would push the calendar out

11:54

very very far and the concern is well if

11:56

he were to win the election is case to

11:58

go away. Absolutely. And I

12:00

think that we see him when the Supreme court

12:02

months back quickly it does. They didn't do so

12:05

Here in the question is why and then the

12:07

fact is estimate a sudden so hard against the

12:09

rematch shows the he's really worried about that. But

12:11

I think the most important thing is not getting

12:13

the result of the trial but what it takes

12:15

away from the American people with the opportunity to

12:17

hear the evidence and the trial right And that's

12:20

what we will miss before the election and I

12:22

think once the election happens if Donald Trump if

12:24

elected we may never hear evidence He also if

12:26

you are. Trump's. Campaign mean this would

12:28

push it back further knowing that my up

12:31

to the actual action. Daves useful talking about

12:33

the different as entry points. any percent of

12:35

the trial, where to start. During that you

12:37

still got that burden of having things out

12:39

there, may not have your own case presented.

12:41

Slide that. Really bad news for both of

12:44

you. You. Want to

12:46

took part predecessors? No one sees. No

12:49

one's using either Do or the area as

12:52

a good thing or a bad day. I

12:54

imagine shows and either, but I'll be following

12:56

along. Simply, Rights and Roads are a benji.

12:59

Both so much. Look, Donald Trump position on

13:01

abortion has changed so much it means it

13:03

could very well make your head spin. Now,

13:05

the man who was never miss a chance

13:08

to take credit for overturning Roe V Wade

13:10

is crow about it for a long time

13:12

says that abortion legislation to be less to

13:14

the state. Of next in

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many months of mixed signals Donald

14:34

Trump revealing today who he thinks

14:36

have the final word on abortion.

14:41

My. View is now that we have

14:43

abortion where everybody wanted it from a

14:45

legal standpoint. To. States will determine

14:47

by boat or legislation or perhaps

14:49

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14:52

be the law of the land. At the

14:54

end of the day, this. Is all about the

14:56

will of the people. Well. That's

14:58

a different take on a windy day to

15:00

a vote or earlier this year during a

15:02

town Hall. You've

15:05

also blames Pro Lifers for some of

15:07

the Glp losses around the country. and

15:10

you've called harpy laws like I was

15:12

terrible and so I just like some

15:14

clarity on this because it's such an

15:16

important questions meters. I'd like for you

15:19

to reassure me that you can precept

15:21

of all life every person's right to

15:23

life without compromise. You wouldn't be

15:26

asking that question even talking about the

15:28

issue, because for fifty four years, they

15:30

were trying to get. Roe. V.

15:32

Wade terminated and I did, and I'm proud

15:34

to have done. as. Stream

15:38

with our better. Haney sees that as

15:40

I have worsened voter who press Trump

15:42

on abortion and seeds always been our

15:44

back s Thank you for out so

15:47

much for joining the this evening. I

15:49

have to wonder what is your reaction

15:51

to Trump saying that states said site

15:53

their own path essentially on abortion. Things

15:58

adding me and as a. Think

16:00

you're getting from a lot of the pro

16:02

life camp. We are extremely disappointed. With.

16:04

Donald Trump taking the language of the

16:06

last on earth and a leading I'm

16:08

not a what he would not even

16:11

he used the term abortion rights and

16:13

that's a far cry from someone who

16:15

claims that you'd be the most pro

16:17

life president and for a long time

16:19

has been hailed. From. Pro Life

16:21

credential on by conservative like me who

16:23

gave him a lot of credit or

16:25

many of those pro Life and victories

16:28

the that be talking points to he

16:30

used of the way that he defended

16:32

life when he was in office. We

16:35

really did appreciate and now to come

16:37

out and that essentially surrender on this

16:39

issue is there's there are many words

16:41

for it but extremely disappointed. As a

16:44

mom you know the worst thing that

16:46

you can be as just disappointed and

16:48

said that's where I am right. Our

16:51

Donald Trump Unlike. I use

16:53

that same tactic with my own children

16:55

when I'm disappointed. As far worse than

16:57

the actually yelling about anything but you

16:59

know House or Vice President Mike Pence

17:01

characterized said he characterized as a slap

17:03

in the face as the words that

17:05

he used to use it as bad

17:07

as well, something that it seems to

17:09

be an intentional act or something more.

17:12

Well. It really seems to be an unforced

17:15

error. I think if we look on the

17:17

political strategy side, I'm not sure if is

17:19

advising him this doesn't exactly come out of

17:21

the blue and I I. Was

17:24

able to talk with Donald Trump

17:26

about life on a similar town

17:28

hall and on another network at

17:30

the At. It was clear to

17:32

me that he was a little

17:34

that was you Aussie on the

17:36

line was going to drop it,

17:38

would still saying he would vote

17:41

for are rather he would depend

17:43

life and I think this is

17:45

a true step backwards and and

17:47

I'm sure the strategy is to

17:49

moderate on what he considers to

17:51

be a more divisive issue, but.

17:53

It's not as though Trump Donald Trump has ever

17:55

had an issue. Taking disabled.

17:57

And Devices Sands Of When.

18:00

he believed that it was either right to

18:02

do or right politically. And

18:04

so I do characterize this as a

18:06

betrayal. I don't think that someone who

18:08

has convicted on this issue and is

18:10

willing to fight for the dignity of

18:12

all life can really

18:14

see it otherwise. And people

18:17

can make their own decisions on this. But

18:19

I mean, someone who has advocated for

18:22

this, specifically this issue of

18:24

justice for the pre-born, but for

18:26

all life or for humanity and

18:28

human dignity, this

18:31

is really just inexcusable.

18:34

So what is the consequence then? If the

18:36

idea you call it a betrayal inexcusable, does

18:38

that mean that it's enough to motivate you

18:40

to still go to the ballot or is

18:42

it something that would make you vote for

18:45

somebody else or an alternative? That's

18:48

always going to be the question, isn't it? And

18:50

I've seen statements from people wondering now, okay, what

18:52

then? And I know this was conversation

18:54

likes to go. I think that we need to reassert

18:56

the standard. And if the standard

18:58

is that every single life is worth protecting,

19:01

then to be frank, Donald

19:03

Trump has not performed. According

19:06

to what he knows, we're both

19:08

moms here. If your kid knows

19:10

to do something right and doesn't do it,

19:12

well, then you

19:14

have higher expectations of them, we'll just

19:16

say. And so there's consequences. There has

19:18

to be consequences for knowingly

19:22

abandoning what you claimed at

19:24

one time to be so

19:26

incredibly important. This

19:28

is a very important issue, important enough

19:31

for you to have, you know, ask

19:33

the question of a presidential candidate, of

19:35

a former president. Do you think

19:37

that is enough for people to opt against

19:40

Donald Trump as a result of this

19:42

answer? So if pro-lifeers,

19:44

if this is our issue, there should

19:46

be consequences, as I said. Perhaps

19:49

this should cost Donald Trump the pro-life vote.

19:51

Now I know that we don't live in Pollyanna,

19:54

Lollipop land, and people are going to

19:56

start choosing between the choices that they have on the

19:58

ballot. But the if

20:00

this is your number one issue,

20:02

what I do say is that

20:04

those consequences for Donald Trump, the

20:06

backlash should be loud. It should

20:08

be clarion. It should be

20:10

clarifying for him that he cannot

20:14

betray these chief abiding American

20:16

principles and still expect to

20:19

be considered a conservative standard

20:21

bearer. Rebecca Hayme, really fascinating to

20:23

hear your take. Thank you so much for joining.

20:27

Thank you for inviting me. I

20:30

want to bring a Republican strategist and former

20:32

deputy chief of staff for HUD under Donald

20:34

Trump, Shre Michael Singleton, also here, a senior

20:36

political correspondent for the Wall Street Journal, Molly

20:38

Ball. I'm curious to what your take is

20:40

to the reaction to what she said, the

20:42

notion of there being

20:44

electoral consequences for Donald Trump based on

20:47

this. Does that surprise you? It

20:49

doesn't surprise me that social conservatives are angry

20:52

about the stance that Trump has taken, but

20:54

he's clearly making a calculation that they're not

20:56

going to have anywhere else to go. And

20:58

that by the time November comes around, as

21:01

she was saying in that segment, they're going

21:03

to realize there are only two candidates in

21:05

this election. Some states, there may be other

21:07

candidates on the ballot, but realistically, two major

21:10

candidates, they're not going to vote for Joe

21:12

Biden if what they care about is the

21:14

lives of

21:16

what she called the pre-born. And

21:18

so they could stay home, but

21:21

I'd be surprised. The evangelical vote

21:23

in particular, the social conservative vote

21:25

has been the strongest cohort of

21:28

voters behind Donald Trump. They have

21:30

turned out at historic rates, they have supported Trump

21:32

at historic rates. I think he's making a calculation

21:34

that at the end of the day, they may

21:37

grumble, but they're going to come home to him.

21:39

You agree with that? I agree with that 150%. I mean, the

21:42

question is, you stay home and

21:44

then president Biden wins the election

21:47

and Democrats take control of

21:49

the House and you barely maintain control of

21:51

the Senate or regain control of

21:53

the Senate because you're angry. I mean, look,

21:55

these folks have argued For 54,

21:58

50 plus years that they want at this return. The

22:00

State. The Supreme Court did that. Now people

22:02

are getting the opportunity to vote on this

22:04

issue. You say? Democrats and even a size

22:06

or percent of Republicans there is and what

22:08

we think people should have the rights to

22:10

make this decision for themselves, families, and their

22:12

doctors. Not the government. That small government. I'm

22:15

a conservative. We believe a small government's Donald

22:17

Trump is absolutely right on this issue. Same

22:19

let states decides, put it on the ballot

22:21

and of people One it's then. That's their

22:23

right but the fair for thing on the ballot

22:25

and put it in different states is that it

22:27

happened successful when as the turned the balance in

22:29

recent times and you see in Alabama something special

22:32

election you see on different thousand with Kansas as

22:34

well just to name one and in Ohio has

22:36

something somewhere on the ballot so the concern as

22:38

if you put into the say it's and up

22:40

to the people. That. It will not

22:42

saber those who are in favor of an

22:44

anti abortion rhetoric. Every single state that has

22:47

voted on this issue since the overspending of

22:49

Row which let's keep in mind with only

22:51

less than two years ago, every single thing

22:53

sitting deep red states like Kansas in Kentucky

22:56

have voted for I'd be abortion right side

22:58

of the ballot, whatever that was. But you

23:00

know, I think if Donald Trump things that

23:02

he started ripping off the band in here

23:05

in putting the issue to rest, this is

23:07

not going to do it. They're still too

23:09

many questions outstanding. There are a lot. Of

23:11

things he hasn't taken a stance on such

23:14

as he did not say if there is

23:16

some kind of federal legislation and he's president's

23:18

what he sign or veto it, he's a

23:20

voter in the state of Florida that's going

23:23

to have an abortion issue of on the

23:25

ballot this false. How is he going to

23:27

vote on that potential that that choice between

23:29

the current six week fan and a more

23:31

liberal a standard the goes up to the

23:34

point of of of of viability. I've what

23:36

about the medication abortion ban that the supreme

23:38

court is considering right now so they're still

23:40

a lot of unanswered. Questions about how he

23:42

wants the state of abortion policy to move

23:44

forward and I think for that reason he's

23:46

going to keep getting questions about that really

23:49

important Think about what's left with. this is

23:51

a week later since you have that succeed.

23:53

Van announcers Florida and he say the mythic

23:55

a week that say something and this is

23:57

the way he does it with and answer

23:59

questions. I'm wondering. What impact it

24:01

has. On. His if he. Pick earlier idols.

24:03

Are you mad As I think Evangelicals

24:05

a more than likely going to stick

24:07

with Donald Trump or he chose my

24:09

parents because he needed to appeal to

24:11

their communities. He no longer needs a

24:13

make sense of my personal view there

24:15

there with him. I think Donald Trump

24:17

nice to look for a running mates

24:19

or that is going to bring something

24:21

difference to the table. Maybe it's a

24:23

woman mavis, a person of color and

24:25

in terms of person of color, maybe

24:27

someone from ah, the Latino diaspora because

24:30

that's now the largest minority group and

24:32

the countries. Are and they are very diverse

24:34

in terms of their politics. I mean unlike

24:36

average Americans were ninety percent of us are

24:38

most democrats latino vote for pretty mix is

24:40

pretty splits and so that's it. I were

24:42

to. I think he should go tactically. Skill.

24:45

Enter saying as in my eyes events our cause We

24:47

know that Mike Pence. Said. It was

24:49

a slap in the face. This this

24:51

this statement am that the also reached

24:53

out to the influential Evangelical leader Bob

24:55

Vander Platz who says that Trump. Stance.

24:58

Quote is deeply disappointing.

25:00

The prolife community is

25:03

a looking. For more.

25:06

To. Thinking about that statement implies I do wonder what

25:08

the impact of going to be given this the

25:10

for in the past. I think what

25:12

you're here and all of these statements

25:14

again as a recognition that they just

25:16

don't have any leverage over him. See

25:18

is the leader of the parties. He

25:21

has a following that is slavishly devoted

25:23

to him and they can cry and

25:25

scream all they want but she's the

25:27

one who is correctly seeing where the

25:29

middle of the electorate is on this

25:31

issue as we just talked about in

25:33

every state of had a referendum even

25:35

deep red states are the pro life

25:38

side has lost. So this is a

25:40

very you know active and passionate. Movement

25:42

that it's a minority of the electorate.

25:44

And they know that. And I think

25:46

from here in these expressions of disappointments,

25:48

I owe a sort of tacit acknowledgment

25:50

either. They just don't have much leverage

25:52

over Donald Trump. It is a symbolic

25:54

is a skill. It's practice and box

25:56

symbolism of the uncommitted votes. The. Idea

25:59

that. The primary I'll say this, but

26:01

ultimately I will turn out for who I think is

26:03

appropriate. And when I think at this

26:05

point most people know who they're going

26:07

to vote for the was ultimately going

26:09

to turn come down to who can

26:11

maintain high in the maximize our support

26:13

and leverage within their constituencies. But but

26:16

I will say this I think those

26:18

republicans within the evangelical community us with

26:20

a lot of time working with them.

26:22

When I work for Doctor Carson they

26:24

have to ask themselves as a more

26:26

important to win in November. Or. To

26:28

see the election to President Biden and

26:30

Democrats if that is indeed their positions

26:32

and I would argue that most to

26:34

served as a so we want to

26:36

win this November and that means recognizing

26:38

the reality that Republicans keep losing on

26:40

this issue. take the else and move

26:42

on. The American people including a plethora

26:44

of Republicans you look through the data

26:46

us are also say this is not

26:48

the government's right or position to ultimately

26:50

determine where family should decide on their

26:52

own. Trump is finally recognized and that's

26:54

I think of smart political decisions and

26:56

it's a decision that sit. Down the line

26:59

yield political benefits to the Republican party is

27:01

currently we're losing. Wow. A

27:03

lot to consider. It was surpassing to hear

27:05

somebody who had silence him on this issue

27:07

of now have now response Molly far as

27:09

an awesome thank you both so much. Up

27:13

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27:15

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27:17

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27:19

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This time tomorrow state of Missouri

28:58

will have very likely executed a

29:00

man by the name of Brian

29:02

Dorothy. But the thing is, the

29:04

people guarding him don't think he

29:06

should be executed. Seventy. Two

29:08

officers and the correctional center where

29:10

Dorothy As lived writing personal letters

29:12

asking for his life to the

29:14

spirit and the not alone. Is.

29:16

Also, a former judge of the

29:19

Missouri Supreme Court, several Missouri surprises

29:21

five jurors in the penalty phase

29:23

of Dorothy's trial. Despite.

29:26

All of those please the

29:28

Governor of Missouri denying him

29:30

clemency today. Senators execution quote

29:32

would deliver justice. And. Provide

29:34

closer unquote. Here's the

29:37

thing. Dorsey. Was sentenced

29:39

to death for the two thousand six

29:41

murder of his cousin Sarah, Bonnie and

29:43

her husband Benjamin. They. Had taken

29:45

a man and offer him a safe

29:47

place to stay. After a confrontation with

29:49

a drug dealer in his apartment. That.

29:52

Night. She. Sought Thera and

29:54

Benjamin in their bedroom. Their.

29:56

Four year old daughter. Was. Also home

29:58

at the time. but was not hurt.

30:01

Dorsey himself turned himself in three days

30:03

later and he has

30:06

expressed remorse ever since. His lawyers say

30:08

that he had struggled with depression and

30:10

substance abuse and was going through a

30:12

withdrawal induced psychosis at the time of

30:14

the murders. Now, some of the

30:16

family members of the victims do support him.

30:19

Others describe the execution as a quote,

30:21

light at the end of the tunnel,

30:24

adding that Brian will get the justice

30:26

that Sarah and Ben have deserved for

30:29

so long. Now, as those

30:31

officers signing on to advocate for Dorsey,

30:34

they say he lives in the honor

30:36

dorm and has the trusted position of

30:38

working as the prison's barber. Over

30:40

the past 11 years, he has cut the hair

30:42

of wardens, staff, and chaplains.

30:45

One officer writing, some inmates never

30:47

change, no matter how many years

30:50

they are in. But

30:52

that's not Brian. The Brian I

30:54

have known for years could not hurt anyone.

30:57

The Brian I know does not deserve

30:59

to be executed. But

31:01

he indeed is set to be executed

31:03

tomorrow evening at 6 PM local time,

31:05

less than now 24 hours. Let's

31:09

bring an attorney for Brian Dorsey, Megan

31:11

Clayn. Megan,

31:13

thank you so much for joining me this

31:15

evening. Tomorrow, the

31:17

execution time has been set.

31:21

I wonder how is Brian doing this

31:23

evening, knowing that his final plea for

31:25

clemency has now been denied. Thank

31:29

you so much, Laura. Thank you for having me

31:31

and for covering Brian's case for clemency. And

31:34

we do still have two petitions pending with

31:36

the US Supreme Court. So

31:39

while Brian is disappointed that the

31:41

governor did not hear all the

31:43

voices, including correctional voices, attesting

31:46

to his rehabilitation and his

31:48

redemption, and explaining why

31:50

he's uniquely deserving of mercy, he

31:52

is certainly disappointed. He still remains

31:54

hopeful that this execution might be

31:56

stopped by the US Supreme Court.

32:00

time today he spent his time visiting

32:02

with us, the legal team, and then

32:04

he wanted to spend most of his

32:06

day dedicated to writing to his loved

32:09

ones, especially his family, while

32:11

he still can. Let's talk

32:13

about why you say he, you believe

32:15

is uniquely deserving of clemency. I mean,

32:17

many might look at this case and

32:19

the details of the murder, the leaving

32:21

behind of this four year old little

32:23

girl as well, and wonder why? Is

32:27

it because he is now remorseful or because

32:29

you think there should have been a defense

32:31

provided for him during the trial? It

32:35

is both. In any capital case,

32:37

there is going to be a tragedy and

32:39

a heinous crime at issue. That is how

32:41

we get to a capital case. But

32:44

here it is both who Brian is today and

32:47

frankly who he always was. He

32:49

never had a history of violence

32:52

before, this singular tragedy, or ever

32:54

since after. This crime by all

32:57

accounts was the climax

32:59

of a time limited mental

33:01

health crisis experienced by Brian

33:03

and the addiction he turned to for self

33:05

medication when all of their treatment failed. So

33:08

we say clemency is warranted because of who

33:11

he unquestionably is today, who he

33:14

always has been, and then yes, Laura, as you

33:16

point to, this death sentence

33:18

was an injustice from the beginning.

33:21

Because Brian was utterly failed by

33:23

his trial attorney. And

33:25

if his trial attorneys had done their job in the

33:27

first place, he would have gotten life

33:29

and everybody would have been saved the pain

33:32

of the past 17 years. You

33:35

mean life without parole possibly as opposed to

33:37

a death penalty sentence. And you pointed out

33:39

about this and I really was interested in

33:42

this case for a variety of reasons. And

33:45

one was the claim that his attorneys

33:47

had been paid a flat fee of $12,000

33:49

each to defend him.

33:53

Which, you know, if you figure what it takes to actually

33:55

litigate and defend someone in a capital case,

33:57

that's about $3.37. sense

34:00

an hour. Obviously nothing even

34:02

close to the standard of what you would pay

34:04

an attorney. What was the impact you

34:06

think of a flat fee in this

34:08

case? That's

34:11

right, Laura. I mean, the impact is clear.

34:13

It is direct. It was his

34:15

conviction because they convinced him to plead

34:18

guilty for no benefit with no negotiation

34:20

with the death penalty still on the

34:22

table before they did

34:24

any investigation or psychological evaluation

34:26

of their client. And

34:29

they did little work after. So the result is

34:31

his guilty plea and it is his death sentence.

34:34

You know, interestingly enough, and I

34:36

haven't heard of many cases like

34:38

this where there has been

34:40

an unprecedented show of support from within

34:42

the prisons from the actual correctional officers,

34:45

more than 70 of them,

34:47

I might add. A former Missouri Supreme

34:49

Court judge has also weighed in who

34:51

no longer stands by the court's decision.

34:53

Five jurors who signed off on his

34:55

clemency petition as well. And yet you

34:57

also have members of the victims families.

34:59

And again, this was a, um,

35:02

the cousin of Mr. Dorsey who was

35:04

killed and her husband, but there are

35:06

members of the victims families who support

35:09

the execution. They describe it as that

35:11

light at the end of the tunnel. What do

35:13

you say to them who are looking at this

35:15

issue? One

35:18

of the additional tragedies of the death penalty

35:20

existing at all is once a

35:22

death sentence is imposed, our

35:24

system and the prosecutors who,

35:26

um, sentenced to death instill

35:28

the belief that justice is not

35:31

achieved. Justice and closure are not

35:33

final until execution. And

35:35

so everybody waits those 17

35:37

years thinking this is unresolved,

35:39

that you cannot have peace, that you cannot

35:42

have justice or closure until the execution. And

35:44

that is very hard to undo, no

35:46

matter what you learn after the fact about

35:48

who this person is today, about who they

35:51

were before, about the injustices at

35:53

play that led to the death sentence in

35:55

the first place. And the, the

35:57

victims family, just like the jurors who now have

36:00

come forward to say if we knew

36:02

then what we know now, we

36:04

would not have voted for death. Everyone

36:06

was limited in the information they had

36:09

before them at that trial because

36:11

the trial attorneys did not do their job.

36:14

And you have two more pending appeals.

36:16

One before the Supreme Court of the United States.

36:18

Do you have any indication of when you might

36:20

hear back? Obviously, they are known to have gone

36:22

to the 11th hour in their

36:24

decisions, even on a last minute petition for an

36:26

appeal such as this. That's

36:29

right. So it could come anytime

36:31

tomorrow, tomorrow night. And

36:34

the execution schedule that it could start at

36:36

6, but the warrant is good for 24

36:38

hours. So we can

36:40

wait past 6 for those decisions. And we

36:43

will. And we'll remain hopeful. And

36:46

this, I understand, is death by

36:48

lethal injection. The idea

36:50

of a scheduled execution, very

36:53

difficult to put those two words together.

36:56

Meghan Crane, thank you so much. Thank

36:58

you so much. Up

37:02

next, a watershed moment

37:04

for women's basketball. The

37:06

NCAA championship, shattering records.

37:08

The most watched basketball

37:10

game period since 2019.

37:13

Will the success continue? That's the big question. And

37:16

Jamel Hill is here to talk all about it.

37:23

The final match-up between number one-seated UConn

37:25

and the four-seat Alabama has just wrapped

37:27

up a UConn victorious. Fellas, initial

37:29

reactions to what we saw in the court tonight. All

37:32

right, can I be real with you? I

37:34

don't watch it. Me,

37:37

either. You know, it's just hard to get excited when there's better

37:39

games on. You mean the NBA?

37:42

The women's turn to me. Well,

37:45

SNL is not wrong. And apparently, a

37:47

whole lot of people agree. You know,

37:49

nearly 19 million viewers

37:51

tuned in to watch Sunday's NCAA

37:53

women's finals. 18.7 million people. And

37:57

by the way, it peaked at 24 million. That's

38:00

more than last year's men's

38:03

NCAA finals. In

38:05

fact, it was the most watched

38:07

of any basketball game since 2019.

38:10

And the second most watched non-Olympic

38:13

women's sporting event after the 2015

38:15

Women's World Cup Final between the

38:17

US and Japan. Wow.

38:20

Now South Carolina topped off their

38:22

perfect season with a record of 38

38:25

and O and the

38:28

national title. It was the

38:30

Gamecock's third tournament victory, all

38:32

under coach Don Staley. It was a

38:34

team win from the seniors all the

38:36

way to the freshmen with Tessa Johnson

38:38

coming off the bench to hit a

38:40

career high of 19 points. They

38:43

took down Kaitlyn Clark and the Iowa Hawkeyes

38:45

definitively 87 to 75. But

38:48

coach Staley and all of her grays had some

38:51

words for Kaitlyn Clark nonetheless. I

38:54

wanna personally say Kaitlyn

38:56

Clark for lifting up our

38:58

sport. She

39:03

carried a heavy load for

39:05

our sport and it just is

39:08

not gonna stop here. I

39:10

mean, some of the players on her own team

39:12

I mean, Ashlyn Watkins, Chloe Kits, Pow Pow, Brie

39:14

Hall, Camila Cardoza, the list goes on and on.

39:16

And you know, when you look at all the

39:19

people who are joining coming up soon, you

39:21

have people who are going to be declaring

39:23

and being a part of the WNBA as

39:25

well. I mean, just look at you play

39:27

and look at that list that just shows

39:29

you on the screen there. You've got at

39:31

least Kaitlyn Clark, one of the athletes from

39:34

the top five 2020

39:36

high school recruits heading now to the

39:38

WNBA. You've got joining her Angel Rees,

39:40

South Carolina's Camila Cardoza. She

39:43

was named the NCAA's tournament's most outstanding

39:45

player by the way. And Here to

39:48

talk women's hoos with me now is

39:50

Jamel Hill. She is a contributing writer

39:52

for the Atlantic and the host of

39:54

Jamel Hill is Unbathered. Jamel, So great

39:57

to see you. I Cannot believe these

39:59

numbers. The amount of yesterday this as

40:01

a lot about this for it right now.

40:05

Before I even get into the

40:07

numbers let me a I believe

40:09

that sometimes I'm a public mistake

40:12

requires a public hope. a public

40:14

apology. So let me apologize to

40:16

you do a lot of the

40:18

last time I was on your

40:20

so we have I asked where.

40:22

I. Causes Sarah to that seek it

40:24

about their sidner and in my on

40:26

brain the zebra know right now that

40:29

I'm talking to you I can't actually

40:31

see you So I thought for some

40:33

reason I was all with Sarah that

40:35

because your voice but I miss. Her

40:37

my problems and.my it's

40:39

manner say more lot

40:41

more. Than that army Thera, any

40:43

that of I love her thank you

40:45

very much as yourself. Funny, I bought

40:48

mine at all I left. There are

40:50

still on the side of a suburb

40:52

of Atlanta. they have it on that

40:54

by now. So about these ratings. they

40:56

tell the zebra story. About this explosion, We're

40:58

seeing him when the Best Buys. Been a

41:00

steady ascension in the sport for years. But

41:03

for so long women have been told

41:05

that if you just give us the

41:07

product that you just give us the

41:09

compelling and charismatic figured that people will

41:12

watch Say that. She been doing that

41:14

for a while but now. This

41:16

leads people no excuse because we saw

41:18

the women said three ratings record in

41:20

one week. It started with Ls you

41:23

When I lived there was a rematch

41:25

game in the Elite eight that at

41:27

the time most last one is baseball

41:30

game ever. The four days later that

41:32

recursive for four days and when I

41:34

will say the Yukon a premier program

41:37

that when the sellers best one has

41:39

been for decades now that than another

41:41

record records ratings and so for Sunday

41:44

to be the combination. Of everything

41:46

we've seen from this season. The last

41:48

two years and frankly since the

41:50

beginning of this game in many

41:52

respects because there were a lot

41:55

of players, a lot of pioneers.

41:57

Who suffered through in Sydney. There

41:59

is. Etti to get to

42:01

this voyage as you see women

42:03

best about putting up a Nfl

42:06

lives waiting for context Mrs right

42:08

numbers this average this game Average

42:10

more viewers than all of last.

42:12

Year in be a final similarly

42:14

for college football game. last season

42:17

set to be the number of

42:19

people who watch this game. So

42:21

we're talking about a new teacher

42:23

says in women's sports. Father they

42:25

carry that momentum forward and keep ahead Though I

42:27

mean I just signed a couple players with Sars

42:29

and they're all rising. Different He going through that?

42:32

The land Ba is that the next frontier? Yes,

42:36

It is very easily as was already

42:38

the law says diseases who by the

42:40

way ahead of the leader of the

42:42

they had their first sell out of

42:44

like they're sold out for the season

42:46

This happened before anything happened his in

42:48

this women's basketball season before that. Even

42:50

concluded the Las Vegas Aces who

42:52

are to the defending. Champions

42:55

ended of the N B A already.

42:57

A Hydra. They've already move. The game

42:59

it was. They anticipate that. Caitlin. Class

43:01

will be playing into a bigger arena.

43:04

I saw a tweet from the Felix.

43:06

Ah from the scene is Debbie and

43:08

be a franchise that so the Mercury

43:10

that is where they're pitting already. Diet

43:12

and Sarasi who's already have some comments

43:15

about is only Clark and are saying

43:17

oh come see the legend versus the

43:19

Ricky So this is already a marketing

43:21

tool in this is a dead the

43:23

A be A and I think. There's.

43:25

Gonna be a lot of the sands that

43:28

were drawn says the college game and drawn

43:30

have seen Caitlin Clark. They're totally going to

43:32

move that interests to the next level where.

43:35

She'll be challenged in a different way like

43:37

she's going to be face and some role

43:39

women who have been put in some work

43:41

in this game for years. like most women

43:44

who can play an overseas who have been

43:46

the best in in their respective right for

43:48

a long time and I think people are

43:50

very curious to see how Heard from Made

43:52

It still says translates. Into the big

43:55

leagues that might be the same obviously for

43:57

Angel Race as well. For a milk are

43:59

done reading. The all going to have to

44:01

prove themselves yet again as as the rookies coming

44:03

in for you know who has already proven herself.

44:06

The. Coach Don Staley and mean what

44:08

of forth to be reckoned with? an

44:10

undefeated season, three national title she turns

44:13

out starts to go on to excel

44:15

in the Wmds and she has had

44:17

to restart rebuild nearly every single year.

44:19

An angel Reese even tweeted her support

44:22

for a daily that you know thanking

44:24

her for her own support. What does

44:26

all this say to you about dance

44:29

daily as a coat. Looks

44:32

as if I do. You think about this

44:34

until today bird. With there's been a lot.

44:36

Of former players who become coaches from

44:38

you know where former college or the

44:41

view be to to see the com

44:43

you know head coaches in the incidentally

44:45

incidentally field. On a gonna be

44:47

the Best and the reason why is it

44:49

would you compare where her credentials were as

44:51

a player? A multiple winner. Of national player

44:53

the year and although her teens in when

44:56

he because there's going to time with tennessee

44:58

was like winning everything I she was the

45:00

only I believe. Today the only woman

45:02

who was voted most outstanding player

45:04

in the final four despite her

45:06

team loses. The national Championship.

45:09

So she. Was official ever

45:11

college player she's a a

45:13

Libyan she certified. As a player.

45:15

then you look at her closing resume and

45:17

that might be. An impressive

45:19

or more impressive they which.

45:21

He did as a player which is saying a

45:23

lot. And you know.daily,

45:26

Is really right now the Gold Standard

45:28

I see deserve a ton of credit

45:31

for this coaching job in particular. She

45:33

lost five starters last year including the

45:35

number one pick in the draft in

45:37

only a boston and here she comes

45:40

and retools and respect and is able

45:42

to be. The. Player that is considered

45:44

arguably the best offensive player that the women's

45:46

college game has ever seen. It says a

45:48

lot about her as a coach and when

45:50

you look at her team in the joys

45:52

of they play with the for most is

45:54

nice but the joy and a love that

45:56

they play with for each other. as as

45:58

a lot about on the plane Dawn

46:00

the coach and Dawn the person. I mean, I

46:03

had the pleasure of going to Paris when they

46:05

played Notre Dame at the start of the year and

46:07

you saw it then. She just has a special

46:09

connection with these young people. And

46:11

now she's put herself in the position

46:13

to be considered in the same vein

46:15

as Agino Ariema or a

46:18

Pat Summit, both legends in the game.

46:20

And while she still is behind them

46:22

in championships, the fact is she is

46:24

coming and there is no sign that

46:26

this South Carolina program is slowing down.

46:29

Undeniable greatness. Jamel Hill, thank you

46:31

so much for joining tonight. Yeah,

46:35

I appreciate you having me on. And again,

46:38

apologies. Oh, God, girl bye. I owe you

46:40

$500 for this. Yes, I'm going back to

46:42

it. Love you. Love you, bye. Thank you

46:44

all for watching. Signing off at Laura Coates.

46:47

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