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0:01

You're listening to Giraffe

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Hospital Colorado, here it's

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different. Welcome

0:50

to Oddball. I'm Charlotte

0:52

Wilder. Yes, I'm Ian

0:54

Elhassan as always. And today, I

0:56

mean, we are starting the show with something that I'm

0:58

sure you care about very much. Do you

1:00

want to hear what it is? The Drake

1:03

versus Kendrick versus Rick Ross versus Metro

1:06

Boomin versus Future versus J. Cole

1:09

versus who else? The

1:11

Weeknd, is that? No,

1:13

it's the White Girl version of

1:15

that. It is Taylor Swift who

1:17

recently dropped a new album, The

1:19

Tortured Poets Department. And the Internet

1:21

is buzzing, Amin. Two

1:26

internets. Two internets. Two internets.

1:28

Yeah, I know. That's

1:30

what I'm saying. So

1:33

in honor of Taylor and

1:36

the NBA playoff starting, I

1:38

thought it would be fun instead of

1:40

the Tortured Poets Department to do the

1:42

Tortured Players Department. Amin, we're going to

1:44

find the saddest boys remaining

1:47

in these games. Are you ready? I'm

1:49

ready and I can't wait for the comments

1:52

section. Why are they trying to shoehorn Taylor

1:54

Swift and everything? She already ruined the NFL.

1:56

Now, they're going to do it to basketball

1:58

too? Well, I'm going to do it. Alright let's get

2:00

started. Okay great glad we got that out of

2:03

the way and I think that the Photoshop will be worth it.

2:06

Okay. What do we have first to

2:08

mean? We're starting in the East. Starting in the East,

2:10

Pacers versus Bucks. The Pacers are the six seed, the

2:12

Bucks are the three seed. We've known this one for

2:14

quite a while. I'm going

2:16

to nominate Miles Turner. If

2:19

I put Miles Turner on the

2:21

table I say this guy

2:23

is the saddest of them all. Not

2:26

because he doesn't play well or anything but

2:28

because for about, I don't know, for 14,

2:31

15 years he's been in trade rumors every single

2:33

year. I'm talking about even when he was in

2:35

middle school. I'm going to trade him to the

2:37

junior high across town. For Miles

2:40

Turner, I love

2:42

him, I love his game, I love that he's

2:44

a Star Wars fan but this guy, can

2:47

he just get a little bit of love and say

2:49

hey man we love you and we don't want to

2:51

see you go anywhere? He can't

2:53

catch a break but I see

2:55

your Miles Turner and I raise

2:57

you, Damien Lillard who might be

2:59

the saddest man in Milwaukee. Look

3:01

at that picture. Shout

3:03

out to Meg. Shout out to Meg for these photo

3:05

shops on the Oddball team. Is that what the

3:07

album looks like? Why is

3:09

it all black and white? Yeah, because she

3:12

got very melodramatic. I

3:14

haven't even listened to it yet so I don't really know. Dame

3:17

has been so sad. He misses his

3:19

family in Portland. The Bucks

3:22

season has been successful

3:24

in that they have the three seeds but

3:26

unsuccessful in that I've never seen a player

3:28

look sadder than Damien Lillard when he's on

3:30

the court. Who do we

3:32

think is going to win this sad boy battle? Wait,

3:35

are you asking me who's going to win the series or

3:37

who's going to win the sad boy play off? Oh

3:40

no, all the boys are sad. This is about the

3:42

series. Oh okay. Well then yeah, it's going to

3:44

be the Bucks. I know

3:46

they struggled. I know everyone's

3:48

kind of impending doom and all that stuff but

3:51

I really truly believe first time at the rodeo

3:53

for the Pacers even though Pascal Siakova obviously is

3:55

going to be a championship and all but a

3:57

lot of those other guys are still fairly

4:00

wet behind the ears, especially Tyrese Halliburton, their

4:02

best player. It's gonna be the Bucks. Okay.

4:05

You've always said experience counts when it comes to the

4:07

playoffs, so we'll see what happens. All

4:10

right, next up, we've got Orlando

4:12

versus Cleveland, or as I like to

4:14

call it, the NBA TV series that

4:16

no one will watch. If

4:20

I give you, I don't know, you're not gonna

4:22

beat me on this one. Okay, who

4:24

is it? Who's the saddest boy on the team? You

4:27

pick one for Cleveland. I'll go second, because I

4:29

know I can't get trumped on this one. Cleveland

4:32

is easy. Cleveland is Donovan Mitchell.

4:36

Every, for the past 15 years, just

4:38

like Miles Turner, I mean, everyone's been like,

4:40

is he gonna leave the Cavs? He seems

4:42

miserable. Is he gonna leave? And he's tortured

4:44

because he still has another year in his

4:46

contract before that player option kicks in. And

4:49

I don't know what's gonna

4:51

happen to him, but everyone's like, is

4:53

this Cleveland's last gasp? And he's

4:57

a sad boy this year, I mean. Donovan

4:59

Mitchell went from like sweetheart, home

5:02

small market guy to now he's

5:04

turning into mercenary. Break

5:06

hearts all across America's heartland. Having

5:08

said that, you're not beating Jonathan Isaac

5:11

as my sad boy. This

5:13

man is damn near a pariah. Does he

5:15

have friends in the NBA? That's

5:17

a real life question I wanna know.

5:20

I'm not gonna speculate. I'm just gonna throw

5:22

it out there, you know? Guys had some

5:24

questionable stances over the years, let's just say.

5:27

Yes. Yeah, so. Yeah, you win.

5:30

You win, that sad boy. I

5:32

win that sad boy face off, but I believe

5:35

the Cavs are gonna win the actual playoff. Yes,

5:38

me too. Okay, great. Let's

5:40

move on. Further in the East, the last

5:42

one here, we have the Sixers versus the

5:44

Knicks, I mean. I'm gonna

5:46

say that the Sixers' saddest player is Embiid.

5:49

The only year he hasn't been hurt is 2020. They

5:52

haven't made it out of the

5:54

second round of

5:57

the playoffs. He's the saddest.

6:00

boy and he looks so sad the other night so

6:02

he's really sad. Charlie, what's the

6:04

name of the album again? Tortured what? Tortured

6:06

Poets Department, which is why this is

6:08

the Tortured Players Department. Okay, there is

6:10

no one in the NBA more

6:13

tortured than Tom Thibauton. Okay.

6:15

Hands down. Well, he's not a player. It

6:17

does not matter. You cannot,

6:19

the level of tortured he is,

6:22

overcomes any lack of a

6:24

playing resume on the NBA

6:27

level. He absolutely

6:29

sweeps everyone. Matter of fact,

6:32

pencil them in for the Tortured Poets

6:34

Championship all the way to the top.

6:37

Okay, fair. No, and I'm not

6:39

going to say but and on riding

6:42

that wave, the Knicks are going to

6:44

beat the Sixers. I agree.

6:46

I agree. That also is

6:48

partly to say my marriage.

6:50

But anyway, what do we have in the West of me?

6:53

Okay, out West we've got, oh, this

6:55

is the spicy one. The one they've

6:57

been waiting all year for. It's Lakers

6:59

versus Nuggets, Charlotte. For

7:02

the Lakers, I nominate Anthony Davis.

7:05

Even though he's played a career-high games this

7:07

year, it feels like every time I watch

7:10

Anthony Davis, he gets hurt. And that's not

7:12

his fault. And what more of a definition

7:14

of tortured is something when it's not

7:16

your fault? I was just doing the thing

7:18

I was supposed to do. Completely.

7:21

He has a total lack of control.

7:23

He's an amazing player. Games just

7:25

don't go his way. I'm going to

7:27

raise you, I'm going to see Anthony Davis and

7:29

raise you Denver where the most tortured player is.

7:33

Oh, oh, I'm sorry. It's no

7:35

one because nobody's tortured in Denver. They're the

7:37

reigning camps. And I don't even think we have to talk

7:39

about this anymore because I'm pretty sure that they're going

7:41

to make easy work of the Lakers even though

7:43

they have LeBron. Doesn't she have an

7:45

album called Blank Slate or is that a name

7:48

of a song or something? Blank Space is a

7:50

song. Same s***. That's

7:52

what the tortured nomination is for

7:54

Denver. Wow. I mean,

7:56

I did not know that you had that

7:58

Taylor Swift lore in you. I'm very. impressed

8:00

but we're gonna move on to the sons

8:02

versus the Timberwolves. The most tortured boy on

8:04

the Timberwolves is a man who tries to

8:06

hide it with bravado who acts

8:09

out instead of saying hey I'm just

8:11

sad he's also just French it's Rudy

8:13

go bear ladies and gentlemen. Look at

8:16

him. Well played well played Charlotte I

8:18

see your Rudy go bear and I

8:21

raise you d'Andre. He's

8:23

not on the suns anymore I mean. Does not

8:25

matter he gets no more tortured than this

8:27

the guy stepped on an air mattress for

8:29

half the year for crying out loud. Yeah

8:32

okay good point. Now why have

8:34

the sons been such a nightmare

8:36

matchup for the Timberwolves this year? Well

8:38

they swept the season series so I

8:42

think it's because the sons have

8:44

too many perimeter type players. Rudy go

8:46

bear great defensive player but every year

8:48

we see the chess match happen with

8:50

how do we exploit his inability to

8:52

guard out in space. Chris Finch thinks

8:54

he has a solution. I don't

8:56

think so. I got the sons over the

8:58

wolves. Alright last one for

9:01

you Charlotte. Mavs

9:03

and Clippers this is the hot one

9:05

right here. I've got Kyrie Irving. This

9:07

dude everybody has hated him everywhere he's

9:10

gone Dallas is the first place he's

9:12

been loved and appreciated but he gets

9:14

booed a lot of different places despite

9:16

being a fantastic player. I got Kyrie

9:18

what do you got? He's

9:20

tortured for sure and on the Clippers

9:22

I have oh

9:24

yeah sorry just the entire

9:26

team Paul George Kawhi Leonard

9:29

James Harden remember PJ

9:31

Tucker how he yeah anyway he's

9:33

still tortured and you know

9:36

what I mean I still have Mavs and Fives. Mavs

9:39

and Fives is just insane. That's hot.

9:42

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10:31

2024, Settle McCalifornia. Welcome

10:39

back to Oddball. Charlotte, the playing games

10:41

wrap up tonight. You've got Pelicans Kings,

10:43

you've got Bulls versus Heat. The winners

10:45

go on to the one seed, the

10:47

losers go home. Of course, injuries have

10:50

been the big topic of conversation in

10:52

both of these games. So we got

10:54

Jeff Stott at in-street clothes to come

10:56

in and break it all down for

10:58

us. Take a listen. Jeff,

11:02

I guess we got to start with

11:04

the big injury that happened on Wednesday

11:06

night. Jimmy Butler, spraying MCL, seemed

11:09

limping after the game. First,

11:12

I guess the question Charlotte and I had was, how

11:15

hard is it to play on a spraying MCL? Because

11:17

he injured it in the first half and then he

11:19

went on to play the rest of the game. Yeah,

11:22

it was pretty impressive for him to be able

11:24

to finish out that game because it really impacts

11:26

your lateral movement. So that side to side motion.

11:29

So for it to be, for

11:31

him to be able to play defense to move the

11:33

way he does, you know, the MCL integral

11:35

and movement patterns, especially on the basketball court, because

11:37

it is so much not just up and down,

11:40

but side to side as well and pivoting and

11:42

twisting. When they said MCL,

11:44

I was a little bit surprised. I was expecting something,

11:46

maybe not quite as significant considering that he did finish

11:48

out that game after it supposedly happened in that first

11:50

quarter. And MCL, is that

11:53

on the inside of your knee, Jeff?

11:55

Yeah, the M stands for medial. So

11:57

it's on the inside of that knee.

12:00

the LCL on the outside, which is lateral collateral,

12:02

and then the ones everyone know are the ACL

12:04

and the PCL, and they actually

12:06

cross and they're inside the knee joint. So both

12:08

of the MCL and the LCL don't sit within

12:10

the joint, they're kind of off to the side.

12:12

The good news is with MCL sprains is they're

12:15

capable of healing without surgical intervention. Even

12:18

if we have a significant tear, we

12:22

don't always go to surgery with this route,

12:24

unlike with likely with the ACL. So that's

12:26

good news, but there's still a lot of

12:28

factors that are gonna come into play considering

12:31

his butler's injury history and then any potential

12:33

meniscus issues that are occurred with this injury,

12:35

because that's the thing we worry about MCL

12:37

sprains, is fibers of that ligament are entwined

12:40

in the meniscus on that side. So if

12:42

there's a lot of times, if we have

12:44

a significant MCL sprain, we

12:46

also have some accompanying meniscus damage.

12:49

Well, talk about his injury history, because Jimmy's had

12:52

a bunch of stuff that's happened to that same

12:54

knee, correct? Yeah, he's had it

12:56

through use of meniscus tear, which he suffered,

12:58

I believe, was Minnesota, had

13:00

surgery to likely a

13:02

meniscectomy, so a partial removal of whatever

13:04

that damaged tissue was. And then

13:07

he's also, this year, battled some soreness in that

13:09

knee. He's been listed at least

13:11

once in the injury report with tendonitis in that knee. So,

13:14

and those are unsurprising considering his injury

13:16

history. We often see guys that have

13:18

those previous surgeries report those symptoms to

13:21

somewhere down the road, but

13:23

now we're dealing with a secondary injury in

13:25

that same area. And so the hope

13:27

is it's a low-grade sprain with no

13:29

meniscus damage, but even then we're looking

13:31

at likely a multi-week injury, probably two

13:33

weeks. What is

13:35

the actual odds that he

13:37

will come back? Like, assuming

13:40

that he can get past the bulls,

13:42

like, is it realistic that he could

13:44

be playing in the first round? It's

13:48

gonna be tough, because, you know, I've

13:50

looked at a couple different cases. If we

13:52

look at just kind of MCLs as a whole, the average time

13:54

loss is roughly 23 days. So

13:57

that's like three weeks, right? And I isolated one

13:59

that we're just... thus considered low-grade

14:01

sprains with no meniscus

14:03

damage, even those were 13.7 days,

14:06

I think somewhere, so roughly two weeks. So we're

14:08

looking at a two-week absence. That would be on

14:11

the cusp of maybe a game seven or

14:13

even trickling into that second round of

14:15

the playoffs. All

14:18

right, well, sorry to heat fans. We

14:21

gotta move on to Zion, who

14:23

left that incredible playing game with

14:26

a hamstring strain. What

14:29

is a prognosis for something like that? So

14:32

looking at the hamstring strains that have occurred

14:34

just this season, we're looking at about a

14:36

two-week window. Again, obviously

14:38

that depends on the severity of

14:40

the strain. So we grade sprains

14:42

with religament injuries and strains, muscle

14:44

injuries on the same scale. A

14:46

low-grade is microfiber damage, but overall

14:48

the integrity of the muscle is

14:50

intact. Grade two would be

14:52

a partial tear, so true tearing of the fibers. Just

14:56

looking at hamstring strains this season, like I said, about 13

14:58

days, but the Pelicans

15:00

have already said he's gonna be reevaluated in

15:02

two weeks. So the thing I don't like

15:04

there is that term reevaluated. That does not

15:06

mean return to play. That simply means we're

15:09

gonna reevaluate in two weeks, knowing he's going

15:11

to miss at least two weeks, and then

15:13

we'll reassess after some initial healing has occurred.

15:16

Jeff, are you surprised? I mean, watching

15:18

the play, it did not seem like

15:21

he made a very sharp movement that

15:23

would result in that kind of injury.

15:26

How surprised were you that based on

15:28

the play that preceded him leaving and

15:30

stomping off to the locker room, that

15:32

that would result in something that's damaging?

15:35

Well, I was a little bit surprised. You know, when I

15:37

first saw it, there wasn't

15:39

anything that jumped out, like, oh, that's the exact

15:42

play. The play we suspect it was, he does

15:44

have a little bit of hyperextension maybe of that

15:46

knee when he lands, which would put the hamstring

15:48

on stretch. But even when he ran

15:50

off, he kind of pointed to his groin region.

15:52

Maybe he was just indicating it was his leg,

15:55

but hamstring wasn't

15:58

the first thing I thought. The first thing I thought it was... with

16:00

Mogie Groin. And then again,

16:02

we started here, that vague initial

16:04

description of left lower leg soreness.

16:06

Okay, now we're thinking maybe hamstring,

16:09

but it wasn't until they actually came out and said

16:11

a true hamstring strain that I was like, okay, it's

16:13

definitively that. And it's even harder to tell

16:16

when he walks off because that design does have a

16:18

unique gate. So it's hard to tell if he's limping

16:20

or if it's something that's bugging him based on the

16:22

way he was moving as he, like you said, stormed

16:24

off the court. Unique

16:26

gate is one way to put it. I

16:30

guess the last one we gotta talk about, because

16:32

Charlotte, you might be seeing the Chicago Bulls playing

16:34

the Celtics if they win tonight, but if

16:37

they win tonight, it'll be without Alex Caruso. Now,

16:41

Caruso got stepped on by Andre Drummond

16:43

on his right foot, but on the

16:45

injury report, he's listed as his left

16:47

ankle is the one that got hurt.

16:50

Yeah, I'm waiting for a little bit to ignore information from

16:52

the Bulls on this one, an official injury report. I'll

16:55

make a definitive belief of what this actually

16:57

is. I've heard some people say foot sprain.

16:59

I've also seen ankle sprain as well. But

17:01

the fact that I've seen that reports of

17:03

significant, this guy has me worried a little

17:05

bit. So we're potentially talking about a grade

17:07

two injury, which then again, now we're talking

17:10

significantly longer recovery time

17:12

and more time if they're able to advance. Significant

17:15

when attached to an injury does not seem good

17:18

to me. Any injury, right?

17:20

There's no such thing as insignificant injury. It's only

17:22

insignificant when it doesn't happen to you, Charlotte, that's

17:24

the rule. There you go. Deathstarts

17:26

at in-street clothes. Thank you so much for

17:29

joining us. Appreciate it, guys. I

17:31

mean, it is time for a

17:33

heat check. Yesterday, you gave us

17:35

an extended analogy about like Jimmy

17:37

Butler and Dennis from Always Sunny.

17:41

We have something to show you. Yeah.

17:45

His hand is a bag of soup right there. All

17:49

right, so Jimmy's knee is hopefully not

17:51

a bag of soup. But in the

17:53

spirit of analogies, we're going to keep

17:55

this going with heat check. We're going

17:57

to grade playing teams on their chances.

18:00

make a finals run in honor of

18:02

last year's improbable run by the Heat.

18:04

So, here's our grading scale. We've got

18:07

level one which is how

18:09

did I get here? You see

18:11

Jimmy looking surprised at the

18:13

paper. We have level

18:15

two is happy to be here. Oh,

18:18

there it is. Yeah, look at that smile.

18:20

Jimmy's got a good smile. Level

18:22

three is came to play. Oh, yeah,

18:25

that was media day a couple years

18:27

ago, yeah. Yeah, and then

18:30

level four is scary. Oh,

18:32

okay. Brawling, Jimmy. Yes, I thought

18:34

we'd get the emo look but

18:36

no, okay. No, level

18:38

five is dangerous. Ah,

18:41

the emo look is, that's the dangerous one. That

18:43

is, those are the kids you got to watch

18:45

out for. We're in school, watch out

18:47

for the emo kids. Yeah,

18:49

constantly. Anytime they start saying, tonight

18:51

is the night. That's when you're

18:54

like, oh, I'm in trouble. So, we're

18:56

gonna start with the pelicans. Were you

18:58

an emo kid? No,

19:00

no, no, no, no,

19:03

not enough to say that. All right. Pop

19:06

punk maybe. Pop punk. Like, you

19:08

know, okay. So, we're gonna start with the pelicans

19:10

here and we have to rate them on

19:12

a scale of how did I get here

19:14

to dangerous. Zion

19:17

is reportedly out tonight

19:19

against the kings. The winner

19:22

faces the thunder. What's

19:24

your feeling here about this pelicans

19:27

team in terms of potentially making a deep

19:29

run? Yeah, this is a tough one because

19:31

obviously, if they lose

19:33

tonight, then a deep run is kind

19:35

of out of the question. Not having

19:37

Zion available makes that a

19:39

much tougher proposition but I'm gonna say

19:42

this. The pelicans are

19:44

going to win without

19:46

Zion and then once they

19:48

get in, like the heat last year, now

19:50

you're taking off. Now it's like, it doesn't

19:52

matter that we almost lost in the play

19:54

in. Now we're taking off. I've said it

19:57

many of times before. I've booked a

19:59

hotel room in the New Orleans for the

20:01

finals. Yes. Give me emo

20:03

Jimmy. They're dangerous. Those pelicans are

20:05

dangerous ladies and gentlemen Wow,

20:08

okay. I agree with you We have to agree by the

20:10

way the rules are that we have to agree

20:12

on it's like a jury duty where it's like

20:14

unanimous Okay, I've never actually done two

20:17

angry people Yeah, two

20:19

angry people. There you go. All right,

20:21

Charlotte Next up on the

20:23

list are the Chicago Bulls who played a

20:25

night against the Miami Heat now

20:28

the heater without Jimmy Butler But

20:30

the Bulls are without perhaps Alex Caruso

20:32

tonight, so Kobe

20:34

white 42 in the play in the other

20:37

night. What are you thinking? Where do we

20:39

put the Bulls on the meter? Now

20:42

my do you know the winner of

20:44

this game will play against your Boston Celtics in

20:46

the first. Yes. No. Yes. Thank you I

20:48

am aware um, I would I

20:51

feel like it's a two I feel like it's

20:53

a happy to be here because I Don't

20:56

know. Well, it might be a how did it get here?

20:59

I think it's how did I get here?

21:01

Yeah, we don't really need to expand on

21:03

that much more It's very sure how did

21:05

I get here? And the answer is Kobe

21:07

white and that's it and that's not enough

21:09

I'm a call right now if the Bulls

21:11

do win tonight in the play in I

21:13

have Celtics in three Alright

21:15

next up Charlotte

21:18

yeah, we have the Sixers We

21:21

talked about them yesterday Game

21:24

one versus the New York Knicks tomorrow

21:26

Saturday at 6 e.t It's

21:28

the first time that Philly and New York are playing each

21:30

other in the playoffs since 1989 Know

21:34

what happened in 89, right? No,

21:36

I don't Mark Jackson with

21:38

the broom dancing across the floor because

21:41

they swept them. Yeah Hey

21:44

producer Gabe, you remember that one

21:46

young bastard I Okay,

21:51

so where are you putting the Sixers in I I feel

21:53

I Feel

21:56

like they might be scary scary.

21:58

I got a mother with dangerous, baby Or which

22:00

one's higher? Which one's higher? Yeah, Dangerous is

22:02

higher. Dangerous is the highest. Here's why. Even

22:04

with his beat? Even with his knee? Even

22:06

with his beat because again, it's a slow

22:08

burn, right? He's getting better and stronger and

22:10

getting better condition. But also, here's the other

22:13

thing that happened to the Heat last year,

22:15

is that they got a favorable path. And

22:18

this is a favorable path. You play against the

22:20

Knicks in the second round and the first round,

22:22

like, okay, that's their doable, right? Their beatable. And

22:25

then the second round, you play the Bucs and

22:27

like, they haven't had their shit together, right? Or

22:29

let's just certainly get past the faces. So

22:31

then you get to the conference finals and by

22:34

then, hey, and he's ready for the Olympics, maybe.

22:36

So I'm going to put them in Dangerous. I'm

22:38

not saying they're going to get there. I'm just

22:40

saying this is a dangerous team. Yeah,

22:42

okay. Yeah, I guess I'll

22:44

agree with you. I think the Knicks

22:46

might be a little tougher than, I

22:49

feel like you've got most people beating the Knicks,

22:51

but I think that they, I'm

22:53

not going to underestimate Brunson, but this doesn't have to do with

22:55

who they're playing. This has to do with who they are.

22:57

So yeah, dangerous. Exactly. That's what makes them

22:59

dangerous. All right. Sacramento,

23:02

the lion that slayed

23:04

Goliath. I'm

23:07

mixing up biblical things here. I

23:09

failed Bible study. They're

23:12

playing the Pelicans tonight. Obviously they're on the

23:15

road in New Orleans. The winner plays

23:17

at Denver Nuggets. Charlotte, what

23:20

do you think the Kings land on

23:22

this scale? I mean, I'm going

23:24

to give the Kings came to play because

23:26

I think that with Kevin Herter

23:29

and Malik Moncurt, that is obviously

23:31

still hurting them, but Keegan Murray

23:33

stepped up Key

23:35

on Ellis. I think that

23:37

there, I wouldn't count them out,

23:39

but I also don't think it's like, oh, I'm

23:42

terribly concerned about the Kings. I'm going to put

23:44

them right in the middle with Jimmy from Media

23:46

Day a few years ago. I'll take that. I'll

23:48

take Kim. I was edging

23:51

towards happy to be here, but

23:54

you know what? They're feisty. They got

23:56

a good home crowd. So let

23:58

them rock. there. It

24:01

bumps them up. Okay and

24:04

heat check on the heat baby. How is

24:06

this not the last one? This should have been the last

24:08

one right? We should have closed off. Well we could talk

24:10

for long enough that this is the last one if we

24:12

don't talk about the Lakers because the Lakers are dangerous right?

24:15

Well I don't know let's let's

24:17

let's add to the heat. Alright Jimmy Butler's hurt

24:19

right? They gotta play the Bulls

24:21

tonight doable but then they've got to play

24:23

the Celtics after that which is a lot

24:25

less doable. We

24:28

don't know how long Jimmy's gonna be out for

24:30

it all depends he is tough as nails. I

24:34

think came to play because they're always

24:36

prepared they're always tough they know how to

24:38

make a game ugly even when they don't have their full

24:41

complement but I think in order to be

24:43

dangerous or scary you actually have to have a chance

24:46

to win. You have to have Jimmy

24:48

to be dangerous or scary so okay came to

24:51

play. Alright we got 30

24:53

seconds. Yeah the Lakers. Okay

24:57

they got what they asked for they beat the Pelicans and

24:59

they get their rematch with the Denver Nuggets who

25:02

swept them last year there's a lot of talk

25:05

of the beginning of the year but maybe less

25:07

so as the year went on. Charlotte

25:10

how dangerous you

25:12

got dangerous they're

25:14

dangerous I'm gonna

25:16

say they came to play

25:18

and they also came to lose that's

25:21

what's gonna happen sorry. Shout

25:23

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