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Hello and welcome to the lead different podcast.

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A quick note before we get started, this

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is the third and final part of the mental toughness

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series. Our host Ruschell

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is finishing up his conversation with Brahman , Creighton

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and Stone Eliezer Brahman is a two

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time NCAA wrestling champion at a USA

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wrestling gold certified coach and

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stone wrestled at the University of Florida and

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UC Davis. Before we joined the last

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Eh, not what your country

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can do for you and what

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you can do for your country. You are crazy

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. One word. I

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have a dream, but one thing this

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nation will,

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I got two other words

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for you.

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Persistence. Persistence. I think

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, uh , that's

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grit, right? Yeah , that's,

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that's getting back up. Um,

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so listen, this , this, this

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quote and Tony , would you think it's , uh , this

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is Jay bill. When I, I'll try to, I

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have to, it takes me a bit to grasp, but when I asked

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Mike Shashefski current co coach of Duke

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University, when I asked Mike [inaudible]

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what element of toughness he

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felt was under emphasized,

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he had a quick and direct response.

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Persistence. Persistence

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is your ability to keep going

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without giving up or giving in.

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If you can be persistent in your belief, preparation,

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communication, your willingness to endure

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and all the other elements of mental toughness, you

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will be tougher. Persistence is a mindset.

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No, it's persistence . The mindset. I want to say

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one of the, one of the keys to success is show

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up, show up, like

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get up and go and for

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sure, persistence is number

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one to me. Um, how

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do you do it without persistence? Because you're not going to win

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your first time out. Whenever I'm teaching kids

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to and they get a little frustrated that they're not

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learning the skill right away I go, you know what? It would,

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I'd be upset if you learn it like the first second. Cause

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it took me so long to learn it. That

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wouldn't be fair.

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Do you find that with kids that they want

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to get it, they want to get it down. I find that, yeah .

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Depends on the personality. Yeah . Okay.

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Some kids get frustrated pretty easy and they want to

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learn it right away. Yeah. But , uh , and I actually

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like those kids, they, they have

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they desire, they want to be good, hungry and

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I can relate to wanting to be good. You know?

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So I got, I got, I got a , I got a last one

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for you that I really like and I'm gonna I'm going to read you the

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quote ahead of time cause I think this one's the life

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one and I think it'll apply to all kinds of things. And

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then we'll get you out of here. We're here with um , ramen

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Creighton and still in the laser Russia

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. We're talking about leading different in a hope that you'll be

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able to listen to the episodes we put together. Um,

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cause this will may turn into three episodes as opposed

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to two because the discussion we're really

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having is about character . It's about heart, it's about

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toughness, it's about understanding yourself.

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It's about discovery. It's about teaching. It's

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about learning. It's about following. It's about leading.

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There's a lot there and don't, don't

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just take it at face value. Re listen to this

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and not because I'm in it because the lessons

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we're getting from Brahman in particular are extraordinary.

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We're going to talk about this last thing next play because

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I think that what I found as I was reading

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and thinking, listening is forgetting is one

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of the most important parts of success and

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it says this . When something happened

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in the game, and this is Jay . Bill

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is talking about how coach k she Shefsky

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coach them. When something happened in the

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game, positive or negative,

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we were conditioned by coach k to

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immediately move on to the next play

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without concern over what had just

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taken place. Moving on,

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quote, if we lingered on

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the past play, perhaps we would

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miss an opportunity to get a stop or a steal

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or otherwise impact the game in a positive manner.

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Essentially by not moving on

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to the next play immediately we would be

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compounding that mistake either by making another

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or by missing an opportunity to make a great play. Failing

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to move onto the next play was

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itself a mistake because it took focus

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and concentration off the current moment. The

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only point in time that we could do something

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positive to impact the game. That's

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awesome. [inaudible] do you prescribe

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to that as a coach, a leader as a,

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for sure. I, you know, when I, when

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I , uh, consult with

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kids that are wrestling and I talked to quite

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a few guys that are rustling in the NCAA, just

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finished their tournament last week and one of

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the things I kept saying is, stay in the moment. Stay

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in the moment, stay in the moment, trust yourself,

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hate next, move. Next, move. Next match.

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Hey, it's okay. It's all about advancing you

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advanced focus on, yeah, one match right now. One match.

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And so that moment to moment

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focus is so key

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in an unlocking your body and being able

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to execute on demand, right? That

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uh, execution phase of it where you, where

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you release things and you take all the

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brakes off of your body and you just play

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the sport.

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Wow. Take all the brakes off your body. I

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liked that. Done . Inhibited. Yes, let

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go, which is hard for human beings to do.

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Very hard. And that's that flow state,

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which is hard to force. And

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when you over try it usually doesn't happen.

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I raised my hand as guilty. Oh , you're trying.

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There's a lot. Overtrain this has been a great

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pie cast lead different. And I'm going to just close with

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a couple of contents and we're [inaudible] . So

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Ulysses s grant's one of my favorite people in history.

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General grant was civil war. They

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, uh , were fighting against the confederacy. Um,

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and they were getting beat pretty bad. I

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want to say they lost something like three or four or 5,000

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guys that day in that day in

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the battle. Um, it was something , you

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know, they had such incredible numbers and those that

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wore , it was just massive. And

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a General Sherman was his right hand and

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uh , general , uh , grant was sitting on a log

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after the battle. They'd kind of retreated

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and come to stand still . It was Knightfall and

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a smoking a cigar. And

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he was sitting there mulling over the loss and

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the loss of the, the young men had been

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killed. And Sherman said, hey,

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we had a , we had a rough one today and

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it was almost that contemplate of state for Sherman

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of are we doing the right thing? Should

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we, should we, should we back off of

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this battle because we're just getting mowed over and

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grant puffed on a cigar and looked up at him

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and said we'll get them tomorrow. And

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they aint one of the extraordinary things, a lot of people like grant , some

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people don't like him cause it's so the loss of life and

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you can have historical debate about that forever. But

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grant I think one of the reasons he was one of those unique generals

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we've ever had in history is this capacity

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to forget. And sometimes

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you're watching sports and some of our people that are listening watch

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sports and they don't understand that. One

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of the things athletes that are great are really good at doing

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I think is forgetting. You

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know, suspending that reality.

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We're talking about objective reality. That capacity to go,

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you know Tom Brady throw an interception and

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win a Superbowl. Especially when you have true

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belief in yourself. You really have self efficacy.

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And you've built up enough proof that

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I know I can do it cause I've done it before so

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I know I can do it right. And that's

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I think what Tom Brady's working from. And , and

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, and so we're going to give

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you a little tip based on our podcast today. We

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talked some off the air so we won't give you that. You'd have

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to, you know, pay the big price, big bucks and get the off

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the air stuff. But we're

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coming up on a presidential election and one of the things I always

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go , how do I pick my president? And as I listened

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to this podcast, I go, I just learned

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how to pick the president. The kind of president

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you want is you want somebody who has capacity to grow

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from the inside out. It has capacity,

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can do or to be persistent. Uh

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, maybe look for a guy who wrestle and see

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if you can find one of those guys who go . But

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, uh , we are really grateful to have you in the studio.

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Ramen . It's been, I could go on talking to you. I'm talking

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about for 48 hours straight. I don't even think I'd have to

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eat a , they just keep going cause I,

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I'm just so, you know, I'm learning a lot from myself

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because I think letting go is a hard thing

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for me and being able to, to,

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to try. I've done, I've done a number of things, I

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work at a lot and I've had

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some success but just

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letting go and in a sense trusting

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the process and, and and,

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and then focusing on working hard

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for working hard . That's probably where I'm going to walk away with.

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Is that a good one? Just going , you know what? It's

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not about the goal or the achievement. It's

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saying okay what's the endeavor and just give

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yourself fully to it. I hope some of

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your students listen and I hope, well I'll tell you what

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I know a lot of students I work with are going to listen

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cause I'm going to be sending them to, and there are a lot of them

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are f are in college. They're fighting the battle of

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how do I juggle the job in college and you

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know, all these different things and I just think this is going to

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be tremendous for them. Any words stone you

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pulled off, you know, you, you backed us the best

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guessed in that we've probably had in, in,

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in a month up to , uh, well , it's been

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a pleasure and an honor. I, I'll tell you what to sit with

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you gentlemen. It's, I hope to come back soon. Go

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boy, you're coming back for sure. We got

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to get cold . I need to be coached out. [inaudible]

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stop man. I'm not with your look .

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I want to get on the couch and have him to evaluate

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me from beginning to end. A stone.

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Anything you want to say as we close out?

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No, just thanks to Brahman coming and

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sharing all the great , uh, I

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think the words of wisdom that I saw put in practice.

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I saw how well he did training

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my own son up and taking him from somebody

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who really lacked some mental

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toughness to becoming somebody who could believe

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in himself enough to be a champion. And one

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area. And I loved the fact that he was so

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, um, emotionally

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invested. And I think that's

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what leadership is.

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And what'd you learn today is about leading

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different, some of the insights and ideas

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and perspectives that coach promen has, is

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a coach Creighton has, are , are

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, are unique to his experience

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as a young man, is a college champion

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as a coach, as a teacher. And

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a what was the name of your coach that you talked about? There's

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really like Denny, Mike Denny

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I heard at Maryville University.

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Maryville. Yeah , I wanted to say one thing about him cause

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I, I don't, I was , I don't know him but

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I think sometimes we've had spent so much time

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paying attention to coaches that are on television

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that are coaching at schools that, you know,

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make a lot of money and lucratively

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and we miss out on all these great coaches. So

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, which I would argue Dan Gable was one, even though he was

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incredible. Sometimes we're studying the wrong guys

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and we need to take a look at and [inaudible] those coaches

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that get, get that, get that thing

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going and keep churning out great athletes

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and that we don't even know how that came about. You

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don't have to be famous on TV to change

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the world, so we different, we

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