Join us in this episode as we talk about chapters 5 and 6 in the book, especially focusing in on the humility and self-awareness a church needs in order to effect transformational, missional change.To reach out to Jeremy, go to http://jeremyhoover.com/ (JeremyHoover.com). Jeremy leads discipleship cohorts and spiritual growth cohorts, and coaches leaders and church leaders.To contact Dave, go to http://contemplativepragmatist.com/ (ContemplativePragmatist.com). Dave helps ministers and churches navigate through the complexities of ministry.