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Let's

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bring in Matt Larkin, Managing Editor and

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Senior Writer at The Daily Faceoff. How's it going, Matt?

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It's been a while. It has been

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a while and it's going okay. I'm

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trying to survive the smoke and the ash out here

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in Toronto. Yeah, man, it's crazy. Yeah,

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the eyes are burning, but other than that I'm hanging

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in there.

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I know, it's like a Saturday night in the

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bar in Thunder Bay. I feel like every time I walk outside

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right now. In Thunder Bay. Matt,

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we... Pool hall. We

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haven't got to catch up with you in a while, Matt. And

0:28

we just kind of... I've been off for two weeks.

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I've been in Kamloops at the Memorial Cup. So I didn't

0:32

even get to react to the Bradtree living news

0:35

or anything to that effect. But what do you make of

0:37

where we're at with the Leafs right now and the fact that it

0:39

sounds like Shanahan is

0:41

kind of committed to this core and as of right now

0:43

the only thing that's really changed in the Leafs

0:46

is the GM.

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Yeah, so far, you know, it's

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hard. We're sort of judging things based on vibes.

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But when Brad spoke to us for the first

0:54

time last week as Leafs GM, I thought he gave

0:56

off a certain confidence. I don't think

0:58

he was necessarily giving off the air of someone

1:00

who's planning to totally blow it up. He

1:03

didn't completely commit to the idea

1:06

of the Core 4, but he also mentioned being

1:08

protective of his best players and

1:10

it certainly sounds like it's major priority to

1:12

get Austin Matthews resigned. So if

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I'm a betting man right now, I feel

1:16

like the odds of us seeing the Core 4

1:18

back next year have gone up. And if there's

1:21

going to be anything major that Bradtree Living does,

1:23

I'm looking at that defense score. We know the way

1:25

he built his teams in Calgary. He always prioritized

1:27

defense. So I could see

1:29

a scenario in which the Leafs try

1:32

to bring in someone who makes an impact, a legitimate

1:34

top four defenseman, someone with a bit of snarl

1:36

to his game. Because you look at what he built in Calgary,

1:38

it was a pretty tough team, pretty well-rounded blue

1:40

line. So if I'm trying to guess

1:43

which direction he's going to go first, that

1:45

would be my prediction and I do think that resigning

1:47

Luke Shen will be part of that plan. So

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Matt, do you think that that's possible to do

1:52

though without moving on from one of those core players?

1:54

Like there's not a whole lot of cap space to deal with

1:56

to make that happen.

1:57

It's gonna be difficult for sure, especially factoring

1:59

in in, you don't know what Ilya Sampson's cap

2:02

is going to be, assuming he decides. I do

2:04

think there's always going to be potential with some gymnastics

2:07

when it comes to Matt Murray in particular, whether

2:09

it's sending him to a team that's trying to get to the floor,

2:11

like the good old Arizona Coyotes are always good

2:14

for that, or maybe there's a scenario in

2:16

which he ends up on LTIR. So I

2:18

do think that we've seen time and

2:20

again that GMs around the league, they find a way

2:22

to circumvent these problems. And I think even 24 hours

2:25

ago, people were saying, well, how are the LA

2:27

Kings going to get out from under Cal Peterson's contract,

2:29

and lo and behold, he gets traded the next day.

2:32

So I do think it's possible. And there

2:35

is some money coming off the books, of course, guys like

2:37

Alexander Kerfitt that's going to free up some space as well.

2:39

So it's going to be difficult to bring

2:41

in a major impact player, I would

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say yes, without moving out one of the core four. But

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I don't think it's completely impossible, and it's going

2:48

to depend a lot on what the league's do with their goaltending,

2:50

in my opinion.

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Yeah, well, you broke down that trade that happened yesterday

2:54

with Philly and Columbus kind of at the centerpiece,

2:56

but LA also able to offload

2:58

a bit there. What did you, were you surprised

3:00

to see such a big trade go down in the midst

3:02

of the Stanley Cup final when we are like candidly

3:05

starving for content event? I

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was

3:08

surprised, but it's funny, you know, there's

3:10

sort of the notion around the league that the

3:12

NHL and Gary Bettman, they don't like when anyone messes

3:14

with the Stanley Cup final and tries to create headlines.

3:17

But when you're dragging it out and you're making

3:19

the Florida Panthers wait 10 days to start

3:21

the series, sorry, Mr. Bettman,

3:23

we got to get going with our off season. If you want

3:25

to make the Stanley Cup this far into June

3:27

and have multiple days between games

3:30

multiple times in the series, it's just going to have

3:32

to move along with the summer business. So I'm not actually

3:34

that surprised. We saw a major trade happen.

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And to me, it feels

3:39

kind of like a win-win-win. I could see the logic

3:41

from all three teams. I especially like

3:44

it for the Philadelphia Flyers and Danny Brier

3:46

talk about hitting a home run on your first

3:48

swing as the GM. I thought that was a fantastic

3:51

deal. I think Ivan

3:53

Provedrov was arguably an asset. I

3:55

don't want to say in decline because he's only 26 years

3:58

old, but maybe an overrated asset in terms of the game.

4:00

of someone who's game and hit the wall and

4:02

you get a first round pick and you get a

4:04

pretty impressive prospect in Helgi Granz

4:06

as well, someone who could play the right side on D. So

4:09

I'm very impressed with what Philly did there.

4:11

I'm curious to get your thoughts on the other

4:13

side of the coin in Columbus and

4:15

the fact that they are rolling the dice on Ivan

4:17

Proverov and it seems

4:20

as though I know he's not technically in

4:22

Columbus yet, but it seems as

4:24

though this may have some Mike Babcock

4:26

fingerprints to it, doesn't it?

4:28

It's true and I think if I remember

4:30

correctly back in 2015, Proverov

4:32

was someone that Mike Babcock was very enamored

4:34

with. That's an amazing draft class of course.

4:37

You do sense there's a major culture shift

4:40

coming. We could get into that almost like a separate debate.

4:42

Is Columbus making some bad decisions here bringing in

4:45

Mike Babcock with his questionable history and of course

4:47

a lot of controversy around Proverov this year, but

4:49

if we're looking at it just from a hockey standpoint, which

4:52

I assume we are right now, I think Columbus

4:54

clearly they're trying to flip the switch

4:57

and enter contender mode and I kind of get it.

5:00

If you look at the metropolitan division, the Washington Capitals

5:02

and Pittsburgh Penguins are sort of transitioning

5:04

out of their peak years at the moment. So there's-

5:07

Don't tell Kyle that. Exactly. Don't

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tell Kyle. That's why I wrote last week. I don't think it was

5:11

a good job for Kyle to take, but if you're looking what the Blue Jackets

5:14

have, they had such bad luck with their injury

5:16

last year. There are just so many prominent guys, especially

5:19

Zach Lorensky. Just by virtue of having

5:21

them all back, they're already going to improve.

5:23

They have a third overall pick in a really nice

5:25

top half the first round this year in

5:27

the draft as well. That's going to be an impact

5:30

player come in and now you're adding Proverov and

5:32

that defense core is going to get better as well.

5:34

David Yurichik, one of the best prospects in the NHL,

5:37

I think is beyond the team next year too. So

5:39

looking at that team already, the way they've structured it,

5:42

I could see a significant improvement

5:44

as early as this season. And I think

5:46

with the Babcock higher, you're sort of sending the message.

5:48

Yes, you're trying to shift the focus to

5:50

winning in the present.

5:52

Yeah, so so many young malleable

5:54

minds needing to be nurtured their ways

5:56

into the NHL, Matt. They've

5:59

decided on

5:59

mike that has the guy to do it what

6:02

do you make of that decision

6:03

well he's a

6:05

throwback higher uh... and you know

6:07

there are still people around the league in decision-making

6:10

roles that like to bring in the sort of taskmaster

6:13

mentality i don't know about the total

6:15

taskmaster in terms of the if it's not

6:17

a scale if mike keaton john torrell art

6:20

and maybe back up to seven or eight but

6:22

we know he's a hard personality and he

6:24

is throwback in the sense that he wants to be

6:26

the most important voice in the room and i think

6:28

there's an intimidation factor if you have a young

6:31

team maybe you want your charges to listen to

6:33

a strong voice like that i don't

6:35

i'm not saying that i can don't hire or agree with it

6:37

but i'm assuming this is the logic we

6:39

saw what the calgary flames a couple years ago they needed

6:42

a kick in behind so they bring in darryl setter

6:44

eventually that personality kind

6:47

of rotted the organization and the

6:49

players eventually turned on him that type

6:51

of personality tends to have a shelf life but

6:53

in the short term it typically does

6:56

bring about result if you need someone to jumpstart

6:58

a group

6:59

uh... in conversation with

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matt larkin managing editor and senior writer at daily

7:05

face off uh... so

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speaking of of

7:09

you know the the trade that we spoke

7:11

about a moment ago about the bill delta

7:13

flyers and and what they were able to do to

7:16

to get you

7:16

know good assets from i've

7:19

improved ron

7:20

our burning question today that we've been talking

7:22

about on the show is who should

7:24

the least call on filly for

7:26

if there is a fire sale our options

7:29

are travis connect me scott lawton

7:31

car car or other

7:33

how would you vote on this and why who

7:36

one question well i'm gonna start by ruling out

7:38

carter kart i think carter kart is it

7:41

how and i think he's a really intelligent player

7:43

and i think we haven't seen the best of

7:45

him yet as an n h l gold tender

7:47

but to meet on the area of need for the least

7:49

i think they have what they need in-house in

7:52

my opinion i would be going for a counter-hell book either

7:54

i think joseph wall show some serious

7:56

starter potential i'd be trying to roll

7:58

the tandem of wall in a little Samsonov going into

8:00

next season. We have the cheap cap hit for Joseph

8:03

Wohl which is a really advantageous position

8:05

to be in if you can get him as one of your top two next

8:08

year. So I'm going to rule out Carter Hart right away.

8:10

Travis Connectney and Scott Lawton, can I say

8:12

both? I would like to bring in both because I

8:15

think they both bring different things to the

8:17

table. Connectney has a fire to

8:19

his game for someone who can play in the top six. He has some

8:21

speed. There are some consistency

8:24

issues with him. We saw he had a tendency

8:26

this past season to land in John Tortorello's

8:28

doghouse. So there's a little

8:31

question mark there but you can argue it also makes him a buy

8:33

low. Scott Lawton, known as a good

8:35

dressing room presence, can kill pennies, can do a little bit

8:38

of everything. He has some jam

8:40

to his game. So maybe Lawton is

8:42

more what they need. I'm going to lean slightly in that direction

8:44

but you get much more upside with Travis

8:47

Connectney. So it's tempting to go that way as well.

8:49

Let's talk more hypothetical trade

8:51

since we're entertaining ourselves on this Wednesday

8:53

afternoon. You and Nick Alberga, among

8:56

others at the Daily Face Off, had a good piece about

8:59

who could potentially be this summer's Matthew

9:01

Kachok. Do you have any thoughts about

9:03

who maybe could be that guy this summer? Magic

9:06

Lee, can you make him appear for us?

9:07

Yeah, so it was obviously

9:10

an extra four months. Some people

9:12

took it very literally on Twitter, got angry

9:14

at some of the names we threw out there. But we

9:17

know the NHL is a copycat league, right?

9:19

So there's always a narrative people like to follow at

9:21

the end of a season and oh, why can't mom see

9:23

this? And I think this year, especially during the playoffs,

9:26

we've had a lot of people envious over the idea, oh,

9:28

Matthew Kachok, why can't we have this unicorn

9:31

player? So the name that I threw

9:33

out there is Pierre-Luc Dubois, because

9:35

like Matthew Kachok, he's a 2016 draft

9:38

pick, but also someone that has the blend

9:40

of skill and sandpaper. And he is

9:42

the type of player I could see a year from

9:44

now making a big impact on a playoff

9:46

team and everyone's saying, oh, I wish I had a Pierre-Luc

9:48

Dubois. And we know that

9:51

he probably is not long for Winnipeg, has not

9:53

signed that extension. There's a lot of talk that

9:55

he wants out. And we know that just, of course, they're

9:57

looking like a team that possibly is going to blow

9:59

it up. numbers so it's never been

10:01

easier to get Pierre-Luc Dubois and

10:04

to me just with his size

10:06

and his skill and his mean streak he's

10:08

someone that you know maybe he's never gonna

10:10

be more than a 70-point player at his peak 65

10:13

points even in the NHL in the regular

10:15

season but in the playoffs that's the type

10:17

of player you want his game is well suited to

10:19

the trench warfare if you will.

10:22

Let's shuffle

10:25

along to the Stanley Cup final

10:27

it's a bit of an off-duty. It's shuffling along. It

10:29

is. And that's why I use that word. It

10:32

really is a very slow shuffle here throughout.

10:34

You believe that like if they go to a game seven looking

10:36

at a three-week cup final like it's still

10:39

just absurd to me what's going on here

10:41

but game three tomorrow

10:43

Vegas up to nothing and you

10:45

know the Panthers they're in tough here

10:48

like how much of a chance do

10:50

you really give the Florida Panthers

10:52

and get back into the series?

10:54

Well I have been one of

10:56

those people repeatedly doubting the Florida

10:58

Panthers throughout this postseason although I guess

11:00

I did pick them to pick Carolina but I'm gonna

11:02

do it again I'm gonna doubt the Florida Panthers again I

11:05

did pick Vegas to win the series and the

11:07

problem I had with the match up on paper was

11:09

the 10-day layoff. I think the

11:11

Panthers have been a team their entire

11:14

narrative has been the momentum in

11:16

these playoffs especially when it comes to Sergey

11:18

Bobrowski he's a rhythm based goaltender

11:20

he's been an inconsistent goaltender throughout his career

11:23

he has stretches where he's dominant seasons where

11:25

he's dominant and stretches in seasons where

11:27

he's not and I think you had something

11:30

in these playoffs the magic that he'd found

11:33

after not even starting playoffs as the

11:35

number one goal ten that's how bad his regular season was

11:37

or at least how inconsistent maybe a better way to put

11:39

it and if you remove him from the

11:41

equation for ten days I said going

11:44

into the series there's no guarantee that we get good

11:46

Bobrowski that Bobrowski could disappear

11:48

when you lose that rhythm and I think that's what we've seen so

11:51

far it's not to completely pin it on him

11:53

but it's more that his play was so good

11:55

in the first three rounds he was masking the fact

11:57

that the Panthers were getting out great in a

11:59

lot of the own wins, right? And Vegas

12:02

to me looks like the much deeper team, more

12:04

complete team. And even

12:06

just the way Matthew Kuchuk was unraveling

12:08

a little bit in game two, I think

12:10

it's the flip side of the coin. Matthew Kuchuk

12:13

can get under team skin, but when things aren't

12:15

going his way, he can lose control

12:17

a little bit. And I think that was a sign that Vegas

12:20

has the mental edge at the moment. And I

12:22

also would say going back to Florida with

12:24

all due respect to the Panthers, it's not like their

12:26

home ice advantage is known as it's not,

12:28

we're not talking the spectrum here in the seventies.

12:31

If you get my drip, right? It's not a significant home

12:33

ice advantage. So I don't think that's going to change

12:35

the momentum of the series too much. And

12:37

I am liking Vegas at the moment.

12:39

Is the only thing that could save Florida

12:42

Bobrovsky emerging as the guy he was for the past

12:44

few weeks or is there something else?

12:46

I think if Matthew Kuchuk finds a way to take

12:48

over again the way he did earlier in these playoffs,

12:51

that would make a big difference. And he does have

12:53

that ability. And if you look

12:55

at what Vegas has, Aiden Hill, it's strange. He's

12:57

had a magical run as well, but the

12:59

sample size for him wasn't enormous. And I

13:02

don't think it's impossible that he could suddenly

13:04

turn to a pumpkin at any point in these playoffs. So to

13:07

me, I think the Panthers have to ride what

13:09

momentum they have. They will get some energy from their

13:11

crowd. Obviously it's their first home game, the San Francisco

13:13

final in, I believe, 27 years.

13:15

Right. So

13:16

if you can score early, I think that's crucial.

13:18

Get one or two past Aiden Hill early

13:21

in game three. And I think that could totally change

13:23

the tone. And hey, if you can get it to two,

13:25

one, anything's possible. The Panthers get down

13:27

three, oh, I don't think it's going to be

13:30

any comeback scenario that we see. Well

13:32

they're going to want to make sure that they clean in on

13:34

a guy by the name of Jonathan Marciso because that

13:36

dude is on fire right now. He's got 12 goals

13:39

in his last 12 games. Like how impressive

13:42

you've been with the playoff performance that

13:44

Marciso has given us over the last few weeks here.

13:46

He's a really good player too with the team that

13:48

cast him away. And Jonathan

13:51

Marciso, someone who, you know, you look at the size

13:53

of him, he's not a particularly big player. He's

13:55

not known to have any one elite skill, but

13:57

he's just found a way to score at every level throughout his career.

14:00

career. He's been incredibly underrated

14:02

and if you can quantify clutch,

14:05

I mean I think a lot of teams wish they could but he

14:07

clearly just has it. He's showing up in the big moments

14:10

and that top line has this been really affecting

14:12

his great chemistry of Jack Michael throughout these playoffs

14:15

and I think now he's creeping

14:17

up the con's my trophy ladder.

14:20

Going into the series I was wondering if Bobrovsky

14:22

and Matthew Kishok might win it even with the Panthers

14:24

if they lose the series. Yeah. But Mark and so has

14:26

been so good that now I think

14:29

it's entirely possible

14:29

that he's crept to the top of

14:32

the invisible ladder if you're ranking the cons

14:34

my trophy candidates. Well I mean if you

14:36

look on on FanDuel I know yesterday

14:38

when I was looking at it he was actually

14:41

the front-runner for the cons smite and it

14:43

was at minus money too like a heavy favorite

14:45

at minus 105 and so

14:48

I think it's very likely that if he can continue

14:50

to do what he's been doing that he

14:52

could end up placing it hoisting

14:55

the cons smite and obviously the

14:57

Stanley Cup as well

14:58

and it would just be awesome just considering the revenge

15:01

narrative that you noted the fact that Florida

15:03

was just like here take this player we want to keep

15:05

you know player X I think it was Petrovic

15:07

at the time take Jonathan Marshall so we'll

15:09

also give you Riley Smith go ahead take these

15:12

players they turned out to be foundational

15:14

pieces for the Golden Misfits five

15:16

six years ago when they broke into the NHL and

15:18

then they still are pivotal pieces to this organization

15:21

today.

15:22

It's a great narrative too because like you said

15:24

that they're they're foundational pieces they're true

15:26

the only remaining pieces for a team that is

15:28

really being ruthless treatment

15:31

of its players they cast their

15:33

stars aside right the best example being thank

15:36

you for the vessel trophy now we're

15:38

going to trade you away for literally nothing. And it's

15:40

not like these guys don't make any money either like

15:42

they both make like five million bucks

15:44

say AV. It's

15:46

true yeah it's been an amazing story and

15:49

it's interesting the idea that

15:51

March is now the favorite at minus money

15:53

but it makes sense to me because Aiden

15:56

Hill has been amazing too but the sample size is smaller

15:58

of course right he took over part way through these.

15:59

playoffs. But now it's funny, my

16:02

brain is kind of churning and I'm like, hmm, if

16:05

Marjor so is the favorite at minus money, maybe you got to throw

16:07

a bet down on Bob Rossy or Chuck in

16:10

case there's a comeback from the Panthers. A little

16:12

sprinkle. Good. Could put a little sprinkle.

16:14

Could definitely put a little sprinkle. Matt,

16:16

really appreciated taking the time to join us as

16:18

always, buddy. We'll chat again down the road.

16:20

My pleasure and I'll enjoy the conclusion

16:23

of the Stanley Cup Final, which is scheduled for I believe

16:25

September 19th.

16:26

We'll see you there. It

16:28

feels that way. It really does feel that way.

16:30

Appreciate it, buddy. Thanks so much. All

16:33

right. There he goes. Matt Larkin, managing editor

16:35

and senior writer at Daily Faceoff. It's

16:38

been a, it's, it's, it,

16:40

I feel like the NHL did like

16:42

the, the Cup Final lost momentum by waiting

16:44

so long. I agree. It really did lose

16:47

a little bit of momentum. And then the fact that they haven't

16:49

been necessarily close games, not that they've

16:51

been bad games, like the game Saturday

16:53

I thought was really entertaining game one. It was pretty

16:55

close up until the third period. But then

16:57

baggage really just kind of slapped him in the

16:59

mouth to start game two. And it was

17:02

game over, you

17:03

know, 15 minutes into the game.

17:04

Yeah, that's what I mean. Like I posted the

17:06

question candidly before we came on the

17:08

air and I was like, have these playoffs been kind of bad?

17:11

I don't think

17:13

they've been bad. Like I've, I've, I've, I thoroughly

17:15

enjoyed the first three series. Like I, you know,

17:17

obviously the first round was awesome.

17:20

Awesome. And it always is. And this

17:22

is why also I do,

17:24

I

17:25

get into the argument about the

17:27

way that the playoff format is

17:29

where it should be getting better and better

17:32

as you go on. And it doesn't, it seems

17:34

to actually

17:35

kind of drop off a little bit.

17:37

Yeah. And that's the, that's where you do. That's

17:40

when you look at the divisional,

17:42

the way that it's set up through the divisions and

17:44

that's

17:44

where it's like, yeah, okay. Rounds

17:47

one, two, they're usually good. And then the conference

17:49

final, it's like, yeah, okay, we'll see. And then the Stanley

17:51

Cup final usually does pick up

17:53

like last year. I thought it was thoroughly entertaining

17:55

with Colorado and Tampa Bay, but

17:58

this year it's, it's.

17:59

I don't know, it's just it's two small

18:02

market teams. There's not much fanfare.

18:04

You know with these guys and ultimately

18:07

You know, I think Florida with with Bobrovsky

18:10

coming back down to earth, you know, he's lost

18:12

his mojo Austin Powers version

18:16

It just it really shows that maybe they

18:18

aren't as good as as we thought they were

18:20

Yeah But that's probably the case with like

18:22

teams that have won in the past right like it's

18:24

so easy to look at scenarios

18:26

Like all it would have taken was a little bit

18:28

of continuum probably for Bobrovsky to

18:30

keep playing like that Like Bennington an

18:33

example like there were you know, any teams were probably better

18:35

than yeah I say this about the st Louis Blues

18:37

But there were teams out there that were better than the st.

18:39

Louis Blues the year that they want they they

18:41

just weren't getting anything past

18:43

Jordan Bennington, I don't know why I felt

18:45

that way that the playoffs just haven't been as has

18:48

have had as much Mmm to them this year know why

18:50

been that the individual games haven't been

18:52

like, okay the conference We had like the

18:54

sweep right? So like Toronto wasn't close.

18:56

That was for one done in five games Then you had the

18:58

sweep in the Eastern Conference. I was a four gamer

19:01

the size of the

19:02

Knights like that I know they're on three nothing

19:04

but it still felt so ridiculous Like it never

19:06

felt like Dallas was gonna win. Maybe that's what like cuz

19:08

the last three weeks haven't felt like

19:11

Much of like series like that

19:13

mean close series. Yeah, I think I

19:15

could be it. So maybe that's why But

19:19

hey, I mean that's that's what it is They're it's you

19:21

got to play the games and find out what

19:23

happens and I mean you can't count Florida

19:25

outs I think I was looking at the stat

19:27

here a little bit earlier today

19:29

where when you look at teams that That

19:33

since 2000 teams that have been down Oh

19:35

to their ten and two in game three

19:38

So there's a strong record of teams

19:40

clawing themselves back into things

19:42

if they go down Oh to

19:44

so they're going back home They've got

19:46

you know the advantage They

19:50

Need to make sure they come out with with a

19:52

victory and hopefully two and then go back

19:54

and it's a tie series in in Vegas

19:56

pretty fun barn to like I know Matt was saying

19:58

it's not the

19:59

Like the form in the 80s by any

20:02

means but I think that Florida Panthers barn

20:04

when they get real fans in there and they get Rock and they

20:06

get the rats on the ice

20:07

Everybody's having fun. Like that's a pretty that's

20:09

a pretty fun building. It's more fun than then

20:12

I don't

20:12

know I'm not gonna fire any shots, but it's a fun

20:15

building a bank arena Yeah, everybody's on

20:17

their feet. Everybody's got jerseys all game

20:18

Well, Paul Maurice was talking about that actually Yesterday

20:21

when he was speaking with the media and talked about with

20:24

this series shifting back to Florida with them getting

20:26

home ice advantage How that truly

20:28

could be an advantage for the squad. Here's what he had to

20:30

say

20:31

We feel that our best hockey

20:33

still ahead of us We certainly haven't controlled

20:35

the game at times But but in the first

20:38

game we didn't feel it was controlled against us either

20:40

There was about a five-minute block in the second period

20:43

after we'd taken a penalty Where they'd

20:45

spent some time and our end they got rolling around

20:47

so much of All

20:50

of our perceptions not just yours,

20:52

but mine as well is crowd

20:54

reaction So, you know you

20:57

take that that offensive zone or

20:59

you know We're Haggis break away and put

21:01

it in our building and we're on it, right? We're

21:03

feeling good the zone time. So

21:07

We're excited to get home. We all

21:09

clearly we got to be strong at home and we'll prepare

21:11

to be

21:12

Clearly they lose tomorrow. I mean that's

21:15

probably curtains. We know here. Yeah,

21:17

we know it's difficult to come back from

21:19

O3 I think it's now two

21:23

201 or four and 201 Like

21:26

that it's

21:27

only four times out of 205 opportunities.

21:29

I think it is

21:32

Has a team been able to come back from

21:34

an O3 deficit in the NHL?

21:36

It doesn't seem ideal No, I would

21:38

imagine they would like to win that game tomorrow

21:40

Yeah, sounds like racco. Goudes if you missed

21:42

it earlier I did see something

21:44

floating out there that Paul Murray says he's

21:46

expected to play in Game

21:49

number three so that'll be huge if they can get

21:51

Goudes back That'd be a big for them

21:53

because there's clearly a massive drop-off

21:55

between what Goudes could provide for this team

21:58

and what Casey Fitzgerald You know no disrespect But

22:00

there's clearly a talent discrepancy

22:02

there between the two and the way that they need

22:04

to play on the edge Goudes

22:07

brings that edge.

22:07

Did you guys ever play? You know

22:09

what else has been interesting and to

22:11

me not it's not lost in the sauce Jack

22:14

Eichel's resurgence has been widely

22:16

documented. He's been awesome this postseason But

22:19

just as a dude Do you feel like he's having a little

22:21

bit of a media redemption story like

22:23

his quote after he got blown

22:26

up by Matthew? I was so impressed

22:28

by his interview with I think he was he was talking

22:30

to Darren Pang Yeah, and he

22:32

said it talky. It's a collision game clean.

22:35

We're impressed by that. We might have it Why don't

22:37

we take a

22:38

break come back? We could play it and we kind of dissect

22:40

it a little bit Jack Eichel good dude Jack

22:42

Eichel is definitely starting

22:44

to change the narrative around him, right

22:46

a guy in Buffalo Couldn't get it done with him can't

22:49

win with him, you

22:50

know, they shipped him out. He he

22:52

Wasn't a great captain there

22:54

and draft year all

22:55

of a sudden Yeah, and all

22:57

of a sudden now hey these two games away

23:00

from his Stanley Cup

23:01

So yeah, the narrative is certainly changing

23:03

and I did like what he had to say I certainly

23:06

did so maybe we'll play that on the other side

23:08

when we're gonna play a little bit a word Association

23:11

Wednesday so that's coming up next I'm Mike de Cefano

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